@themightyant chibi can work, but it was something I struggled with playing DQIX. The overall tone of the game is far less serious than VIII so I struggled the whole way. I don't like when publishers feel that a game has to be chibi or less serious because it's a handheld release. (Could be a just me thing though)
@johnedwin I suppose, but that sounds like a PS5 issue. I've never had a single console overheat on me in my life, and They have always been stored in cabinets and do not get dusted nearly as much as they should.
@Axecon With all of the remakes and everything, I thought everything was kind of creatively bankrupt in the gaming industry and perhaps the entertainment industry as a whole.
@Cashews Oh yeah we're totally on the same page. Even on the minus 2-3 scale.
I grew up in the golden era when everything squaresoft and enix did was great. The merger is the classic example of the whole being less than the sum of its parts. And they thread the nostalgia so heavy that fans think there's a Renaissance going due to... remaking all the golden era games?
I've been disappointed in their output for a long time, to the point that I kind of do gleefully relish in their expectations not being met. I feel like they, as a company, outright lie and retcon themselves, just like they constantly retcon their games... and always get a pass.
There's a long story I'll skip, But I recently started Live a Live. I can understand why that game didn't come over here before. It is across-the-board a 5 at best. Lower mids. But reviews? 8s and 9s, some say it's a "masterpiece".
But really, it's the fan base that is the worst. Rational discourse is impossible there because they just attack you when your opinion isn't what "it is supposed to be". The company and their games have become so core to these people's personalities that they can't even handle a difference of opinion.
I mean, when the merger happened and they went in their new direction of "identity crisis is our identity!$$$!", I went through a really weird phase of not knowing what to do as a gamer, and I pretty much stopped gaming for 15 years based on how bad that era (ps3) was. The pandemic brought me back and... shock really. But, yeah, I mean, I found other stuff to do with my life. Which I feel is much better than the alternative which is being one of their current cult members.
Out of curiosity, I was reading some stuff on square-enix the other day, and their top competitors are Ubisoft, EA, and all of these other huge studios. And I'm, like, when did this happen? They used to compete with Atlus and NIS!
Just gonna say in a capitalist society like we have, at the end of the day only the quality of the product matters to the average consumer.
I'm pretty sure the majority of us have figured out that these diversity programs and the like are just lip service from the company the same way they deal with pride month. It's a statement of alleviation.
Under the light for X issue? Say we're committed to Y to solve X. World keeps turning. Lather, rinse, repeat.
This might be my first foray into the persona series. 13 Sentinels softened my take on high school protagonists in games. Generally a pass. I have adult problems now. I don't need to relive that trauma.
You have to have some kind of threshold for the indie programmers. Otherwise anyone there will pitch their game. It's a roguelite soulslike metroidvania inspired by earthbound BTW.
So does anybody know if square is actually involved in this remake?
I mean, the game was originally a joint venture between nintendo and squaresoft... Squaresoft doesn't exist anymore, Not quite sure what happened to the properties in that merger, But i'm sure nintendo kept it all.
I have seen no mention of square in any official capacity.
I mean, the overall game play for Zelda has indeed changed, but it's got all the core DNA. You're still Link, saving Hyrule from Ganon with the power of the TriForce. There's a princess Zelda. But The Thing I always got from the series was they're kind of telling the same legend, It just differs based on who and where you are when you ask. I did that backwards but you know what I mean.
It did adopt the open world format to kind of evolve with the times but that's where I think the big difference is between franchises.
Zelda, even though it's on dated hardware, is at the front of the pack, giving people what they really want and tons of it. Some diehard fans are meh, but most love it. FF has a VERY divided fanbase.
Even on the most top of the line hardware on the market right now, many reviews point out the dated design elements. (Shuffling arena to arena, empty open spaces, little reward for exploration) For me, for a while, i felt like final fantasy chases tails more than innovates and it resonates now.
But yes my score would soften if it wasn't attached to the franchise. I think everybody would have some kind of a different score if it wasn't attached to the franchise. Especially if they launched a new IP. There's always room for growth on the ground floor, but 16 entries deep? Just reboot it already. The Identity crisis extends far beyond Cloud at this point.
Sorry, something just exploded That wasn't supposed to so this is probably all over the place and only semi-coherent
@UltimateOtaku91 @johnedwin No, it's just that it's a bad game. And we can actually say that here, whereas you get personally attacked at push square for doing so.
@EarthboundBenjy As an old school final fantasy fan, FF16 has no appeal to me at all and I will never purchase it. It's an action game, it's not even an rpg.
And honestly, I don't know who they were trying to sell this to. The final fantasy brand is huge but overall meaningless now. They will slap that name on anything.
I've been playing this game pretty obsessively since it dropped. And I will say that the 7 here must be because of switch performance issues. It's easily an 8 and a 1/2 to 9 on the PlayStation.
I know the genre is over saturated but this one is actually worth it.
Yeah i'm with it.
I still need to grab have a nice death as well.
I think I'm gonna Plunge into the "roguelicks" (sic) because it's just a game that lets you keep progress after dying. Shuffling the board is okay, pattern recognition can't be everything.
But this has the proper aesthetics for sure. And I happen to be a fan of both HK and Ori
This article is better than pushsquare's where they just start talking about a major competitor's game... But this still neglects to mention that it's part of the crystar universe.
I'm really torn on this because the plot looks good. And then... I heard about Crystar. NIS is very hit or miss for me.
This sounds promising, I've got my eye on this.
I'm just in a situation where I actually want my backlog to disappear. I don't think it's a flex to have a ton of games I spent money on that I may never, ever even play. Most are excellent (Odin Sphere, TB Yakuza, Nier Reboot, for examples).
@Gofixmeaplate I feel this way about every collector's edition these days. Wait until they get to the point that it's all extras and a digital download code.
@Keyblade-Dan Those certainly are all words.
Maybe use some punctuation once in a while.
It's not a final fantasy. it has minimal rpg elements, no party system, BS skill tree, Enemies don't have elemental weaknesses? There's no status effects? The dungeons and dragons influence that defines the series is completely gone. Nice trash mobs THAT JUST STAND THERE.
A correction - Final fantasy hasn't been "turned based" since the NES. They use the active time battle system from FFIV onwards.
However every final fantasy has utilized some sort of menu system for Issuing commands as though you were a general marshaling troops. (Like 12 or 13) Until now.
The big changes in the series happened after the series creator left the company and it became corporate property. Fans have been saying ever since the series has lost its way and they still say that.
The 1st 10 games under sakaguchi are definitively final fantasy and the same with tons of similar elements.They didn't start going off the rails with innovation until the man in charge left and corporate had no idea what to do anymore.
Now you guys pretty much nod your head and agree that final fantasy is whatever corporate says it is.
But It's not.
Kingdom Hearts has final fantasy spell names and summons. Is it a final fantasy or is it kingdom hearts?
Basically, the argument boils down to how high your standards are or if you just swallow every pill they hand you.
This looks and plays more like stranger to paradise part two so why is it called final fantasy sixteen? They can't even keep track of what makes a main line entry and what makes a spin off any more other than sales expectations.
The problem is final fantasy used to innovate and spearheaded a genre. Ever since the merger they chase tails and claim they are being innovative just for copying other people and introducing the systems to their much more popular games. FF16 is the witcher ripoff and SoP was the Souls attempt. All mids compared to the other "sourced" games.
I mean if you like it that's fine, but don't come out here Trying to say this is peak Final fantasy unless you want people to think you're a clown.
Liking something is great, loving it is even better, but that type of self serving hyperbole does no good for anyone.
The problem with final fantasy discussions is you can never have an honest one because there are multiple sub-fanbases and the SE corporate-era fans (the worst ones) Will attack anyone that doesn't say it's a perfect game, and will rewrite history to fit with whatever they're trying to Say at the time.
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Re: Feature: What's The Best Version Of Street Fighter II On Nintendo Systems?
Turbo edition is tops
Re: Square Enix's Dragon Quest Series Has Now Sold Over 88 Million Units Worldwide
@JohnnyMind the cool thing is that DQXI S is the definitive version. The option to flip it to old school graphics is a gargantuan boon.
Re: Square Enix's Dragon Quest Series Has Now Sold Over 88 Million Units Worldwide
@themightyant chibi can work, but it was something I struggled with playing DQIX. The overall tone of the game is far less serious than VIII so I struggled the whole way. I don't like when publishers feel that a game has to be chibi or less serious because it's a handheld release. (Could be a just me thing though)
Re: Square Enix's Dragon Quest Series Has Now Sold Over 88 Million Units Worldwide
@themightyant DQX is online and region-locked. (Heard there is an offline version, but also locked to Japan)
DQIX is locked on DS only, currently.
Re: Square Enix's Dragon Quest Series Has Now Sold Over 88 Million Units Worldwide
@Mauzuri it only kicked off the entire genre. No big deal
Re: Square Enix's Dragon Quest Series Has Now Sold Over 88 Million Units Worldwide
Played all except 5, 6, 7, 10.
Re: Final Fantasy Franchise Has Sold Over 180 Million Copies
@johnedwin I suppose, but that sounds like a PS5 issue. I've never had a single console overheat on me in my life, and They have always been stored in cabinets and do not get dusted nearly as much as they should.
Re: Final Fantasy Franchise Has Sold Over 180 Million Copies
@johnedwin With reports of playstation five's melting, it sounds like sony hasn't made a console that can run their games either.
Re: UK Charts: Metroid Prime Remastered Gets A Welcome Boost As Zelda Retains Its Crown
Starting to think I should drop the backlog for tears of the kingdom already.
Re: Baten Kaitos' Title Was Initially Disliked By Bandai Namco
@Axecon With all of the remakes and everything, I thought everything was kind of creatively bankrupt in the gaming industry and perhaps the entertainment industry as a whole.
Re: M2's 'Kyukyoku Tiger-Heli Collection' For Switch Has Been Rated By The ESRB
@Kilroy @TromboneGamer they have been... embraced.
Quality has suffered as a result.
Re: Monster Hunter Rise: Sunbreak Version 16.0.1 Out Now On Switch, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
Yeah, I'll put this on the wish list for if the back log ever declines enough.
Kind of need to check this series out and see what's up.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (July 8th)
@Zuljaras Hollow Knight is all.
Can't stop until you Embrace The Void
... I've reached the pantheon of hollownest but I took a break and haven't gone back for it. I'm kind of afraid of it.
Re: Sega Cools On Blockchain Games As Executive Calls Them 'Boring'
@HenryKibble that really sounds like Limewire, Napster, ftp, etc.
Re: Sega Cools On Blockchain Games As Executive Calls Them 'Boring'
@HenryKibble Whatever you want it to be.
Re: Talking Point: What Makes A Good Sidequest, Anyway?
@Cashews sorry that's long, I don't run into kindred spirit square haters often. Cheers.
Re: Talking Point: What Makes A Good Sidequest, Anyway?
@Cashews Oh yeah we're totally on the same page. Even on the minus 2-3 scale.
I grew up in the golden era when everything squaresoft and enix did was great. The merger is the classic example of the whole being less than the sum of its parts. And they thread the nostalgia so heavy that fans think there's a Renaissance going due to... remaking all the golden era games?
I've been disappointed in their output for a long time, to the point that I kind of do gleefully relish in their expectations not being met. I feel like they, as a company, outright lie and retcon themselves, just like they constantly retcon their games... and always get a pass.
There's a long story I'll skip, But I recently started Live a Live. I can understand why that game didn't come over here before. It is across-the-board a 5 at best. Lower mids. But reviews? 8s and 9s, some say it's a "masterpiece".
But really, it's the fan base that is the worst. Rational discourse is impossible there because they just attack you when your opinion isn't what "it is supposed to be". The company and their games have become so core to these people's personalities that they can't even handle a difference of opinion.
I mean, when the merger happened and they went in their new direction of "identity crisis is our identity!$$$!", I went through a really weird phase of not knowing what to do as a gamer, and I pretty much stopped gaming for 15 years based on how bad that era (ps3) was. The pandemic brought me back and... shock really. But, yeah, I mean, I found other stuff to do with my life. Which I feel is much better than the alternative which is being one of their current cult members.
Out of curiosity, I was reading some stuff on square-enix the other day, and their top competitors are Ubisoft, EA, and all of these other huge studios. And I'm, like, when did this happen? They used to compete with Atlus and NIS!
They're not AAA material at all.
Re: Marvelous Reveals Opening Anime Movie For Upcoming Action RPG Silent Hope
@duerer gotta put the J in JRPG, and it goes at the front!
So... Anime intros.
Re: Talking Point: What Makes A Good Sidequest, Anyway?
@Cashews So I'm wondering if you think (like I do) that there is a certain degree of positive bias towards square enix on these sites?
And yeah, I do agree with you. This feels like a veiled reaction piece to a game that isn't even on this platform.
Re: Percentage Of Female Managers At Nintendo Hasn't Improved, Despite Pledges
Just gonna say in a capitalist society like we have, at the end of the day only the quality of the product matters to the average consumer.
I'm pretty sure the majority of us have figured out that these diversity programs and the like are just lip service from the company the same way they deal with pride month. It's a statement of alleviation.
Under the light for X issue?
Say we're committed to Y to solve X.
World keeps turning. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Re: Sega Cools On Blockchain Games As Executive Calls Them 'Boring'
Sounds like a reasonably intelligent fellow who needs to have a discussion with SE on that same issue.
Re: Marvelous Reveals Opening Anime Movie For Upcoming Action RPG Silent Hope
I'm not going to preorder a brand new franchise based on a trailer.
Re: New Persona 5 Tactica Character Spotlight Showcases Joker, Morgana And Erina's Skills
This might be my first foray into the persona series. 13 Sentinels softened my take on high school protagonists in games. Generally a pass. I have adult problems now. I don't need to relive that trauma.
Re: Nintendo Will Be At Tokyo Game Show 2023, But Not In The Public Area
You have to have some kind of threshold for the indie programmers. Otherwise anyone there will pitch their game. It's a roguelite soulslike metroidvania inspired by earthbound BTW.
Re: Super Mario RPG Director Was "Very Surprised" By The Switch Remake Announcement
So does anybody know if square is actually involved in this remake?
I mean, the game was originally a joint venture between nintendo and squaresoft... Squaresoft doesn't exist anymore, Not quite sure what happened to the properties in that merger, But i'm sure nintendo kept it all.
I have seen no mention of square in any official capacity.
Re: Review: Everybody 1-2-Switch! - Family-Friendly Fun That Lacks Longevity
Are you really sure he's not a prized pony? Did you check his genit...
IyK.... sorry children
Re: UK Charts: For Goodness Sake, Zelda: TOTK Is Number One Again
I mean, the overall game play for Zelda has indeed changed, but it's got all the core DNA. You're still Link, saving Hyrule from Ganon with the power of the TriForce. There's a princess Zelda. But The Thing I always got from the series was they're kind of telling the same legend, It just differs based on who and where you are when you ask. I did that backwards but you know what I mean.
It did adopt the open world format to kind of evolve with the times but that's where I think the big difference is between franchises.
Zelda, even though it's on dated hardware, is at the front of the pack, giving people what they really want and tons of it. Some diehard fans are meh, but most love it.
FF has a VERY divided fanbase.
Even on the most top of the line hardware on the market right now, many reviews point out the dated design elements. (Shuffling arena to arena, empty open spaces, little reward for exploration) For me, for a while, i felt like final fantasy chases tails more than innovates and it resonates now.
But yes my score would soften if it wasn't attached to the franchise. I think everybody would have some kind of a different score if it wasn't attached to the franchise. Especially if they launched a new IP. There's always room for growth on the ground floor, but 16 entries deep? Just reboot it already. The Identity crisis extends far beyond Cloud at this point.
Sorry, something just exploded That wasn't supposed to so this is probably all over the place and only semi-coherent
Gotta go
Re: UK Charts: For Goodness Sake, Zelda: TOTK Is Number One Again
@UltimateOtaku91 Because it sells itself as a final fantasy when it clearly isn't.
Re: UK Charts: For Goodness Sake, Zelda: TOTK Is Number One Again
@UltimateOtaku91 @johnedwin No, it's just that it's a bad game. And we can actually say that here, whereas you get personally attacked at push square for doing so.
Re: Everybody 1-2-Switch! Player Icon Uploads Don't Appear To Block Explicit Photos Online
1-2-inch.
Keep it ta yaself
Re: UK Charts: For Goodness Sake, Zelda: TOTK Is Number One Again
@EarthboundBenjy As an old school final fantasy fan, FF16 has no appeal to me at all and I will never purchase it.
It's an action game, it's not even an rpg.
And honestly, I don't know who they were trying to sell this to.
The final fantasy brand is huge but overall meaningless now. They will slap that name on anything.
Re: Review: The Legend Of Heroes: Trails Into Reverie - A Refreshing Entry In The Kiseki Series
@Zeroo big same. I hear a lot of good things, but that's a huge commitment.
Re: Review: Afterimage - An Attractive, Sprawling Metroidvania That Struggles On Switch
I've been playing this game pretty obsessively since it dropped. And I will say that the 7 here must be because of switch performance issues. It's easily an 8 and a 1/2 to 9 on the PlayStation.
I know the genre is over saturated but this one is actually worth it.
Re: Where To Buy Nintendo Switch Pastel Joy-Con
This reminds me I have to get my all black set.
Re: You're In For A Treat With Upcoming Hack 'N' Slash Title 'Death Or Treat'
Yeah i'm with it.
I still need to grab have a nice death as well.
I think I'm gonna Plunge into the "roguelicks" (sic) because it's just a game that lets you keep progress after dying. Shuffling the board is okay, pattern recognition can't be everything.
But this has the proper aesthetics for sure. And I happen to be a fan of both HK and Ori
Re: Haunting Puzzle Adventure 'Cocoon' Comes Out Of Its Shell This September On Switch
Definitely on the wish list.
Re: Nintendo Download: 29th June (North America)
Noob baby! good reviews on steam
Re: Japanese Charts: Final Fantasy XVI Dethrones Zelda: TOTK After Six Weeks On Top
@WiltonRoots It's a full blown action game with light rpg elements. It's not even an rpg anymore.
Re: Microsoft CEO Says He Would "Love To Get Rid Of" Exclusives On Consoles
Man, they do these Sony versus Microsoft articles over here in the nintendo part of town as well? Can't escape em!
Re: Action RPG CryMachina Looks Stunning, And It's Launching This October
This article is better than pushsquare's where they just start talking about a major competitor's game... But this still neglects to mention that it's part of the crystar universe.
I'm really torn on this because the plot looks good. And then... I heard about Crystar. NIS is very hit or miss for me.
Re: Random: Mortal Kombat Co-Creator Knows Who He'd Add To Smash Bros., If Nintendo Was To Ask
Chibi Scorpion humbly requests that you get over here... now if you would.
Re: French Web Series 'Noob' Is Getting An Old-School Turn-Based RPG On Switch
This sounds promising, I've got my eye on this.
I'm just in a situation where I actually want my backlog to disappear. I don't think it's a flex to have a ton of games I spent money on that I may never, ever even play. Most are excellent (Odin Sphere, TB Yakuza, Nier Reboot, for examples).
Sales and good Reviews could sway me though
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Collector's Edition Restocked On Nintendo Store (US)
@Gofixmeaplate I feel this way about every collector's edition these days.
Wait until they get to the point that it's all extras and a digital download code.
Re: UK Charts: Unsurprisingly, Final Fantasy XVI Knocks Zelda: TOTK Down A Peg
@FredsBodyDouble I agree with your overall assessment of the series. Accurate
Re: UK Charts: Unsurprisingly, Final Fantasy XVI Knocks Zelda: TOTK Down A Peg
The real focus of this article should be how the just dance twenty thirteen edition moved up five spaces.
Re: UK Charts: Unsurprisingly, Final Fantasy XVI Knocks Zelda: TOTK Down A Peg
In short, I felt like every final fantasy was an evolution to some degree, until now. this is a step backwards.
I'll go with a two week death pool bet before ToTK goes back up top.
Re: UK Charts: Unsurprisingly, Final Fantasy XVI Knocks Zelda: TOTK Down A Peg
@Rainbowfire top comment
Re: UK Charts: Unsurprisingly, Final Fantasy XVI Knocks Zelda: TOTK Down A Peg
@nhSnork that Kefka is a bad dude though!
Re: UK Charts: Unsurprisingly, Final Fantasy XVI Knocks Zelda: TOTK Down A Peg
@Keyblade-Dan Those certainly are all words.
Maybe use some punctuation once in a while.
It's not a final fantasy. it has minimal rpg elements, no party system, BS skill tree, Enemies don't have elemental weaknesses? There's no status effects? The dungeons and dragons influence that defines the series is completely gone. Nice trash mobs THAT JUST STAND THERE.
A correction - Final fantasy hasn't been "turned based" since the NES. They use the active time battle system from FFIV onwards.
However every final fantasy has utilized some sort of menu system for Issuing commands as though you were a general marshaling troops. (Like 12 or 13) Until now.
The big changes in the series happened after the series creator left the company and it became corporate property. Fans have been saying ever since the series has lost its way and they still say that.
The 1st 10 games under sakaguchi are definitively final fantasy and the same with tons of similar elements.They didn't start going off the rails with innovation until the man in charge left and corporate had no idea what to do anymore.
Now you guys pretty much nod your head and agree that final fantasy is whatever corporate says it is.
But It's not.
Kingdom Hearts has final fantasy spell names and summons. Is it a final fantasy or is it kingdom hearts?
Basically, the argument boils down to how high your standards are or if you just swallow every pill they hand you.
This looks and plays more like stranger to paradise part two so why is it called final fantasy sixteen? They can't even keep track of what makes a main line entry and what makes a spin off any more other than sales expectations.
The problem is final fantasy used to innovate and spearheaded a genre. Ever since the merger they chase tails and claim they are being innovative just for copying other people and introducing the systems to their much more popular games. FF16 is the witcher ripoff and SoP was the Souls attempt. All mids compared to the other "sourced" games.
I mean if you like it that's fine, but don't come out here Trying to say this is peak Final fantasy unless you want people to think you're a clown.
Liking something is great, loving it is even better, but that type of self serving hyperbole does no good for anyone.
Re: UK Charts: Unsurprisingly, Final Fantasy XVI Knocks Zelda: TOTK Down A Peg
The problem with final fantasy discussions is you can never have an honest one because there are multiple sub-fanbases and the SE corporate-era fans (the worst ones) Will attack anyone that doesn't say it's a perfect game, and will rewrite history to fit with whatever they're trying to Say at the time.