@Spoony_Tech Took the words right out of my mouth. I haven't watched the series, so I only had the game footage to go by. And I wasn't impressed at all.
I doubt we'd even notice if it was using Android, the same way I can't tell what processor a system is using. There are radically different forms of Android out there.
I just took a look, and I have 25 retail Wii U games. Less than Wii and GameCube by at least ten and less than half of what I have for 3DS or Vita. But 25, with Yoshi and Legend of Kay and Xenoblade on the way? Yeah, I'm alright with the U. And wherever I put my game money next, I hope to do as well.
All they can do is grit their teeth and get to the next hardware. The return on invesent for big games on the U simply isn't high enough. As for the 3DS, it's getting old, but I still see more promise in its future titles.
Here's hoping the numbers, contrasted with Steam, point to the fact that new IPs work, but they aren't going to be an automatic yes or no. I hope Nintendo gets that nuance.
@Yorumi No, I completely agree. There's a balance to it, where they should go in-depth on what's coming soon and be realistic about what is further away. It just bothers me when Reggie says that they don't talk about games that are years out while we wait for games that were announced years ago.
I guess that's cool. With all of the possibilities in the Star Fox universe, I was really hoping for a fresh story, not another take on a similar sequence of events. The controls don't much bother me one way or the other.
It really does seem to be parody, and no actual art was stolen. Plus, the gameplay isn't the same. I guess I don't see the copyright violation here—I'm not a lawyer, though. Thankfully.
I'm not sure I need to do much more with amiibo, but then they'll come out with something related to a game I want and I'll try to hunt them down. Read: Splatoon. I just hope the Yarn Yoshi is actually attainable in North America...
@Sinister That's pretty standard fare for Warriors games as of late. It's nice in the sense that it's definitely not required, and you can pick something up if you really want it. Definitely not the place to be a completionist, though. Gets way too expensive.
If they were to do it, it's probably too late for me. I imported the Japanese version. Great fun. And exactly the size I would have wanted in North America.
@Project_Dolphin Yeah, I didn't really get the hype that Sony won the world with E3. But I have a Vita, and I wanted to see more than one game announced, so make of that what you will.
@kensredemption All sorts of good roles to be had there. If we want to comically Nintendo-ise it with existing IP, I see King Dedede as the protagonist, with hilarious roles for Daisy, Tetra, Slippy, Tharja, Wario, Morton Koopa, and Mr. Game and Watch as the crime lord.
They're the Mario company, and as long as Miyamoto is around, they're happy to be the Mario company. I'd be just as happy if they'd give Mario a rest for a few years. They can do much more as something like Splatoon proves.
And don't call Federation Force something new. They felt the need to slap Metroid on it. It would probably have been received better as something small, new, fun, and multiplayer.
@MadAdam81 Then just say that. Say that we want to focus more short-term. Don't come out and claim that they "fundamentally" don't believe in it. Pick your words, Reggie.
Let's see... what am I looking forward to? Yoshi's Woolly World, Bravely Second, Etrian Odyssey Untold 2, Stella Glow, The Legend of Legacy, Senran Kagura 2, Hatsune Miku Project Mirai DX, Rodea the Sky Soldier, Hyrule Warriors Legends, Fire Emblem Fates/If (importing and also getting the NA version), SMTxFE (even if it looks weird so far), the two Animal Crossing things (no, really, I am, even if I'd like the amiibo Festival to be on 3DS instead), Legend of Kay, and the dozen or so other titles I want to import from Japan.
And that's just Nintendo systems. Plenty on my Vita, too. I'm set for games. I may not have been blown away by Nintendo's E3 presentation, but I'm good. Heck, what I've listed is going to be expensive enough.
"It goes back to the statement i made earlier about how we view E3. We just fundamentally don't believe in showing content at E3 that is going to be a long term proposition. We like to show content that typically will launch in the upcoming Holiday and maybe extending into the first half of the following year. And at this point, the new Zelda for Wii U is not a 2015 project."
In other words, that's how you view E3 now and not how you viewed it last year.
@Luna_110 I like Iwata's style better than Reggie's. The translations of his presentations show a bluntness and honesty that I really respect. I contrast that with Reggie on the N3DS and that's where I see the difference. Contrasting Reggie and Phil is even more stark.
Iwata seems to be able to poke fun at himself and I think he wants what we want: a healthy Nintendo. Whether or not his ideas for getting that are the same as ours is a good question.
But no: it wasn't an apology, and I really didn't take it as one. It was more of a "What did you think? Ah. No, huh? Okay. Well, we hear what you're saying. Thanks for your opinions."
@Toadthefox I had admittedly low expectations, but if there's one hole on the Wii U, it's for a Pilotwings title. I thought that would be a no-brainer with the Gamepad. Even just expanding Pilotwings Resort from the 3DS would have been a fun download title. I just don't get the sense of fun like that from the forthcoming titles. Outside of Yoshi, of course.
@NorthLightSuplx It is a shame about the Vita's support going forward, true, though I do like me some JRPGs. Makes it worth it to me. Same reason the Wii U was worth it to me: first-party games.
I actually have more games on preorder on the Vita than anything else, oddly enough. I just wish portables in general sold better over here these days. I don't like phone and tablet games.
@something17 They don't. Nor should they, really. This is what they believe is best for them, and that's fine. I as a consumer don't agree, and I think they should have emphasized Reggie's theme of transformation much more.
Then again, since I'm much more a 3DS person than Wii U person, I'm well-pleased by the games coming my way: Bravely Second, Etrian Odyssey Untold 2, Stella Glow, hopefully Final Fantasy Explorers, etc. Buying a Nintendo portable has never disappointed me.
The consoles have been another story, and I get the frustration some are feeling. For me, Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta, Hyrule Warriors, and Splatoon were reason enough for me to buy a Wii U. I don't need a huge lineup going forward to feel I've gotten value for money.
@NorthLightSuplx I'm not counting download games in that, just physical releases. Both systems have great lineups the way I see it, so I don't get the claim that the Vita has no games anymore than I get those who say the Wii U has no games.
I've got 30+ physical games for my Wii U and I'm well pleased with the purchase. My friend with a PS4 is in the same boat. We look at what each other has and decide not to bother.
To say that Sony only has last-generation stuff or that multi-plats don't count mirrors what they say about us and third-party games. And to say that Sony has a littered history of not supporting what they produce—and they do—means we have to ignore Nintendo's habits in that area.
You know what? It really is a shame that we're at this point, because Nintendo's done a whole lot of things right as of late.
Splatoon. The Humble Nindie Bundle. New Fire Emblem. Hyrule Warriors coming to 3DS. Considering getting rid of region-locking. Fatal Frame (not my style, but a big deal, surely). We know Bravely Second and Stella Glow are coming. The long-awaited final Wii game is coming—Rodea. I'm really well pleased.
The shame is that, in the video game industry at large, E3 is when you're expected to wow people. And when you don't—and this presentation didn't wow me—then every little negative thing about your company gets dragged up again. Reality, but not really fair.
@freaksloan It sells fewer than the XL, but I'd hardly call it niche or claim no one buys it. I imported a Japanese one. It's lovely.
It would not have sold as well as the XL, no, but it would have sold. The question becomes why, if the regular-sized models had actually historically done best in NA, did they opt to not bring it here. Most of us would have been fine had they simply answered that question.
They're both in a position where thye know Nintendo is in transition, and an event without huge reveals was (in retrospect) inevitable. Last year's reached so far into the future, and this year they couldn't repeat that with the Wii U's lifespan looking limited. They tried to give us some smaller-scale fun things in the meantime, and as a portable gamer, I'll have plenty to play. I took Iwata's tweet as more of an acknowledgement of complaints and some reassurance that big things are coming. They're just a bit too far down the road yet.
@Mk_II @ningeek185 But this isn't early in development. You can't be having placeholders when you're a few months at most from going to print. Unless they delay it, that is.
This doesn't sound promising, for the game or for the Wii U's future. I just don't know that I need to play this general plot for a third time. I've got three games pre-ordered for the Wii U—Kay, Rodea, and Yoshi—and I probably want XCX, too. But I don't know that I need anything else.
Compare that to the 3DS with more than half a dozen I want and the Vita having even more than that, and maybe I'll be leaving consoles behind completely.
I also don't know how this can be an excessively early build for a game that should be shipping in under five months.
@TheAdza I see what you're saying, but Star Fox Adventures worked so well for me because the artistry in the game was gorgeous. This looked like an update to Faceball 2000 from the clips.
Many of the other E3 presentations were showcasing games further out. There's something in Nintendo's strategy that's not letting yhem do that. I'm sure they have something up their sleeves for the second half of 2016 and early 2017, but I have no idea what.
I mean, I'd take Mario Golf over Mario Tennis any day of the week. Console tennis got tiring on the Gamecube—the race to see who could get a powerup first. Ah well. There's still plenty to play, especially on the DS.
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Re: Nintendo Download: 25th June (North America)
@Spoony_Tech Took the words right out of my mouth. I haven't watched the series, so I only had the game footage to go by. And I wasn't impressed at all.
Re: Rumours Surface of Android Emulation On The Nintendo NX and Potential Deals With Amazon and Disney
I doubt we'd even notice if it was using Android, the same way I can't tell what processor a system is using. There are radically different forms of Android out there.
Re: Talking Point: E3 Highlighted Nintendo's Development Shift Towards NX, and Away from Wii U
I just took a look, and I have 25 retail Wii U games. Less than Wii and GameCube by at least ten and less than half of what I have for 3DS or Vita. But 25, with Yoshi and Legend of Kay and Xenoblade on the way? Yeah, I'm alright with the U. And wherever I put my game money next, I hope to do as well.
Re: Talking Point: E3 Highlighted Nintendo's Development Shift Towards NX, and Away from Wii U
All they can do is grit their teeth and get to the next hardware. The return on invesent for big games on the U simply isn't high enough. As for the 3DS, it's getting old, but I still see more promise in its future titles.
Re: Nintendo Gets Tough With Miiverse Bans, and Some Users Aren't Exactly Pleased
Surely there's some problem they're going after here, though the number of people reporting being taken down nearly at random is cause for concern.
I don't much get Miiverse, though. I'm not on social networks, so that's not much of a surprise.
Re: Splatoon Has Inked 1 Million In Sales Since Its Release
Here's hoping the numbers, contrasted with Steam, point to the fact that new IPs work, but they aren't going to be an automatic yes or no. I hope Nintendo gets that nuance.
Re: Reggie Fils-Aime Tackles Metroid Prime: Federation Force and amiibo Criticism
@Yorumi No, I completely agree. There's a balance to it, where they should go in-depth on what's coming soon and be realistic about what is further away. It just bothers me when Reggie says that they don't talk about games that are years out while we wait for games that were announced years ago.
Re: Reggie Fils-Aime Tackles Metroid Prime: Federation Force and amiibo Criticism
@Mr_Zurkon Honestly, that's kind of what has killed a lot of the hype for Xenoblade and similar games that Nintendo has shown us for three years now.
Re: Reggie Fils-Aime Tackles Metroid Prime: Federation Force and amiibo Criticism
"We know what we're doing, trust us, play the game and then we can have a conversation."
This is getting back into Father Knows Best territory.
Re: Nintendo Says That Star Fox Zero's Gyro Controls Can Be Turned Off
I guess that's cool. With all of the possibilities in the Star Fox universe, I was really hoping for a fresh story, not another take on a similar sequence of events. The controls don't much bother me one way or the other.
Re: Mario Parody Kill The Plumber Rejected From iOS App Store On Grounds Of Copyright
It really does seem to be parody, and no actual art was stolen. Plus, the gameplay isn't the same. I guess I don't see the copyright violation here—I'm not a lawyer, though. Thankfully.
Re: Exclusive: We Almost Got A Wii U F-Zero Created By Burnout Studio Criterion
@JaxonH Exactly what I was going to say. FAST Racing Neo means this news doesn't hurt much at all.
Re: Parent Trap: Woolly Yoshi amiibo Finally Turn Toys To Life Figures Into Actual Toys
I'm not sure I need to do much more with amiibo, but then they'll come out with something related to a game I want and I'll try to hunt them down. Read: Splatoon. I just hope the Yarn Yoshi is actually attainable in North America...
Re: Nintendo Download: 25th June (Europe)
@Sinister That's pretty standard fare for Warriors games as of late. It's nice in the sense that it's definitely not required, and you can pick something up if you really want it. Definitely not the place to be a completionist, though. Gets way too expensive.
Re: Reggie Fils-Aime Hints at Smaller New Nintendo 3DS for North America
If they were to do it, it's probably too late for me. I imported the Japanese version. Great fun. And exactly the size I would have wanted in North America.
Re: Tablets Stole The Wii U's Thunder, Laments Shigeru Miyamoto
I'm going to wait for Reggie's revised translation.
Re: Fresh Details Emerge For Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
I could do without the pop stars bit, really. Not as off-putting as Steam's aesthetic for me, but not exactly exciting.
Re: Take More Risks With Your eShop Purchases, Pleads Nintendo's Damon Baker
This reminds me to play Rising Board some more this weekend.
Re: Reggie Fils-Aime Attempts To Explain Why Zelda Wii U Wasn't At E3 2015
@MadAdam81 They didn't "fundamentally believe" that philosophy last year.
Re: Nintendo Is A Slave To Its Past Success, Says Gearbox President Randy Pitchford
@Project_Dolphin Yeah, I didn't really get the hype that Sony won the world with E3. But I have a Vita, and I wanted to see more than one game announced, so make of that what you will.
Re: Nintendo Is A Slave To Its Past Success, Says Gearbox President Randy Pitchford
@kensredemption All sorts of good roles to be had there. If we want to comically Nintendo-ise it with existing IP, I see King Dedede as the protagonist, with hilarious roles for Daisy, Tetra, Slippy, Tharja, Wario, Morton Koopa, and Mr. Game and Watch as the crime lord.
Re: Nintendo Is A Slave To Its Past Success, Says Gearbox President Randy Pitchford
@PlywoodStick The Country Club Boys sounds like the worst rap group in history.
Re: First Impressions: Linking Up in The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes
I hope this one does well, but I don't think it's my bag.
Re: Nintendo Is A Slave To Its Past Success, Says Gearbox President Randy Pitchford
They're the Mario company, and as long as Miyamoto is around, they're happy to be the Mario company. I'd be just as happy if they'd give Mario a rest for a few years. They can do much more as something like Splatoon proves.
And don't call Federation Force something new. They felt the need to slap Metroid on it. It would probably have been received better as something small, new, fun, and multiplayer.
Re: Reggie Fils-Aime Attempts To Explain Why Zelda Wii U Wasn't At E3 2015
All things considered, at least we didn't get Wii Music U with the Gamepad as a xylophone.
Re: Reggie Fils-Aime Attempts To Explain Why Zelda Wii U Wasn't At E3 2015
@MadAdam81 Then just say that. Say that we want to focus more short-term. Don't come out and claim that they "fundamentally" don't believe in it. Pick your words, Reggie.
Re: Editorial: Cheer Up, There Are Some Exciting Games on the Way
Let's see... what am I looking forward to? Yoshi's Woolly World, Bravely Second, Etrian Odyssey Untold 2, Stella Glow, The Legend of Legacy, Senran Kagura 2, Hatsune Miku Project Mirai DX, Rodea the Sky Soldier, Hyrule Warriors Legends, Fire Emblem Fates/If (importing and also getting the NA version), SMTxFE (even if it looks weird so far), the two Animal Crossing things (no, really, I am, even if I'd like the amiibo Festival to be on 3DS instead), Legend of Kay, and the dozen or so other titles I want to import from Japan.
And that's just Nintendo systems. Plenty on my Vita, too. I'm set for games. I may not have been blown away by Nintendo's E3 presentation, but I'm good. Heck, what I've listed is going to be expensive enough.
Re: Reggie Fils-Aime Attempts To Explain Why Zelda Wii U Wasn't At E3 2015
"It goes back to the statement i made earlier about how we view E3. We just fundamentally don't believe in showing content at E3 that is going to be a long term proposition. We like to show content that typically will launch in the upcoming Holiday and maybe extending into the first half of the following year. And at this point, the new Zelda for Wii U is not a 2015 project."
In other words, that's how you view E3 now and not how you viewed it last year.
Re: Nintendo Download: 18th June (North America)
Can't ask for much more out of the Wii U VC than this.
Re: Satoru Iwata Didn't Apologise For Nintendo's E3 Digital Event, Says Reggie Fils-Aime
@Luna_110 I like Iwata's style better than Reggie's. The translations of his presentations show a bluntness and honesty that I really respect. I contrast that with Reggie on the N3DS and that's where I see the difference. Contrasting Reggie and Phil is even more stark.
Iwata seems to be able to poke fun at himself and I think he wants what we want: a healthy Nintendo. Whether or not his ideas for getting that are the same as ours is a good question.
But no: it wasn't an apology, and I really didn't take it as one. It was more of a "What did you think? Ah. No, huh? Okay. Well, we hear what you're saying. Thanks for your opinions."
Re: Satoru Iwata Didn't Apologise For Nintendo's E3 Digital Event, Says Reggie Fils-Aime
@Toadthefox I had admittedly low expectations, but if there's one hole on the Wii U, it's for a Pilotwings title. I thought that would be a no-brainer with the Gamepad. Even just expanding Pilotwings Resort from the 3DS would have been a fun download title. I just don't get the sense of fun like that from the forthcoming titles. Outside of Yoshi, of course.
Re: Satoru Iwata Didn't Apologise For Nintendo's E3 Digital Event, Says Reggie Fils-Aime
@NorthLightSuplx It is a shame about the Vita's support going forward, true, though I do like me some JRPGs. Makes it worth it to me. Same reason the Wii U was worth it to me: first-party games.
I actually have more games on preorder on the Vita than anything else, oddly enough. I just wish portables in general sold better over here these days. I don't like phone and tablet games.
Re: Satoru Iwata Didn't Apologise For Nintendo's E3 Digital Event, Says Reggie Fils-Aime
@something17 They don't. Nor should they, really. This is what they believe is best for them, and that's fine. I as a consumer don't agree, and I think they should have emphasized Reggie's theme of transformation much more.
Then again, since I'm much more a 3DS person than Wii U person, I'm well-pleased by the games coming my way: Bravely Second, Etrian Odyssey Untold 2, Stella Glow, hopefully Final Fantasy Explorers, etc. Buying a Nintendo portable has never disappointed me.
The consoles have been another story, and I get the frustration some are feeling. For me, Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta, Hyrule Warriors, and Splatoon were reason enough for me to buy a Wii U. I don't need a huge lineup going forward to feel I've gotten value for money.
Re: Satoru Iwata Didn't Apologise For Nintendo's E3 Digital Event, Says Reggie Fils-Aime
@NorthLightSuplx I'm not counting download games in that, just physical releases. Both systems have great lineups the way I see it, so I don't get the claim that the Vita has no games anymore than I get those who say the Wii U has no games.
I've got 30+ physical games for my Wii U and I'm well pleased with the purchase. My friend with a PS4 is in the same boat. We look at what each other has and decide not to bother.
To say that Sony only has last-generation stuff or that multi-plats don't count mirrors what they say about us and third-party games. And to say that Sony has a littered history of not supporting what they produce—and they do—means we have to ignore Nintendo's habits in that area.
Re: Satoru Iwata Didn't Apologise For Nintendo's E3 Digital Event, Says Reggie Fils-Aime
@NorthLightSuplx I have more Vita games than 3DS games. And I have a lot of 3DS games.
Re: Satoru Iwata Didn't Apologise For Nintendo's E3 Digital Event, Says Reggie Fils-Aime
You know what? It really is a shame that we're at this point, because Nintendo's done a whole lot of things right as of late.
Splatoon. The Humble Nindie Bundle. New Fire Emblem. Hyrule Warriors coming to 3DS. Considering getting rid of region-locking. Fatal Frame (not my style, but a big deal, surely). We know Bravely Second and Stella Glow are coming. The long-awaited final Wii game is coming—Rodea. I'm really well pleased.
The shame is that, in the video game industry at large, E3 is when you're expected to wow people. And when you don't—and this presentation didn't wow me—then every little negative thing about your company gets dragged up again. Reality, but not really fair.
Re: Satoru Iwata Didn't Apologise For Nintendo's E3 Digital Event, Says Reggie Fils-Aime
@freaksloan It sells fewer than the XL, but I'd hardly call it niche or claim no one buys it. I imported a Japanese one. It's lovely.
It would not have sold as well as the XL, no, but it would have sold. The question becomes why, if the regular-sized models had actually historically done best in NA, did they opt to not bring it here. Most of us would have been fine had they simply answered that question.
Re: Satoru Iwata Didn't Apologise For Nintendo's E3 Digital Event, Says Reggie Fils-Aime
They're both in a position where thye know Nintendo is in transition, and an event without huge reveals was (in retrospect) inevitable. Last year's reached so far into the future, and this year they couldn't repeat that with the Wii U's lifespan looking limited. They tried to give us some smaller-scale fun things in the meantime, and as a portable gamer, I'll have plenty to play. I took Iwata's tweet as more of an acknowledgement of complaints and some reassurance that big things are coming. They're just a bit too far down the road yet.
Re: New Nintendo 3DS XL Back On Top In Japan As Wii U Leads Home Console Sales
@manu0 I'm about to import it. The demo has been brilliant fun.
Re: Next Metroid Prime Home Console Title "Would Likely Now be on NX"
I've got a Saturn feeling today.
Re: Gallery: Marvel At The New amiibo Which We Will Probably Never Get To Own
Zero Suit Samus, Olimar, Blue Yarn Yoshi, K.K., Tom Nook
I wonder what the odds are I can go 5 for 5.
Re: Poll: How Excited Are You About Nintendo's E3 Games?
Fire Emblem and Hyrule Warriors Legends on the 3DS and Yoshi's Woolly World are the definite-buys on my list.
Re: First Impressions: Our Maiden Flight In Star Fox Zero Prompts Mixed Emotions
@ningeek185 I sincerely hope your optimism is well-placed.
Re: New Nintendo 3DS XL Back On Top In Japan As Wii U Leads Home Console Sales
Big congrats to the Xbone, staying in triple digits.
Re: First Impressions: Our Maiden Flight In Star Fox Zero Prompts Mixed Emotions
@Mk_II @ningeek185 But this isn't early in development. You can't be having placeholders when you're a few months at most from going to print. Unless they delay it, that is.
Re: First Impressions: Our Maiden Flight In Star Fox Zero Prompts Mixed Emotions
This doesn't sound promising, for the game or for the Wii U's future. I just don't know that I need to play this general plot for a third time. I've got three games pre-ordered for the Wii U—Kay, Rodea, and Yoshi—and I probably want XCX, too. But I don't know that I need anything else.
Compare that to the 3DS with more than half a dozen I want and the Vita having even more than that, and maybe I'll be leaving consoles behind completely.
I also don't know how this can be an excessively early build for a game that should be shipping in under five months.
Re: Metroid Prime: Federation Force Is The Metroid Game You Didn't Expect, Or Perhaps Want
@TheAdza I see what you're saying, but Star Fox Adventures worked so well for me because the artistry in the game was gorgeous. This looked like an update to Faceball 2000 from the clips.
Re: Metroid Prime: Federation Force Is The Metroid Game You Didn't Expect, Or Perhaps Want
It was originally going to be called Dinosaur Planet Hunters, but Nintendo flipped it at the last minute.
Re: Video: No Matter How Annoyed You Are At Nintendo's E3 2015 Digital Event, You're Not As Annoyed As This Guy
Many of the other E3 presentations were showcasing games further out. There's something in Nintendo's strategy that's not letting yhem do that. I'm sure they have something up their sleeves for the second half of 2016 and early 2017, but I have no idea what.
Re: Poll: What Did You Think of Nintendo's E3 Digital Event?
I mean, I'd take Mario Golf over Mario Tennis any day of the week. Console tennis got tiring on the Gamecube—the race to see who could get a powerup first. Ah well. There's still plenty to play, especially on the DS.