Nintendo's E3 Digital Event has generated plenty of discussion, not all of it positive. There's been an incredibly downbeat response to the broadcast, with many fans complaining that Nintendo isn't giving them what they want.
Things appeared to be so bad that Nintendo president Satoru Iwata issued an apology on Twitter for the quality of the event, and that the company would "work to better meet expectations" in the future.
However, Nintendo of America boss Reggie Fils-Aime feels that the tone of the tweet has been misinterpretated, and that Iwata wasn't offering an apology at all.
Speaking to Polygon, he said:
It was not an apology. It was not a statement about the content we're showing, essentially it was an 'I hear you' message.
Mr. Iwata is in Japan and what he's trying to do is help explain to consumers in Japan what's going on at E3. The correct translation of his message was: 'Thank you for your feedback. We hear you and we are committed to continuing to meet your expectations,' was essentially his message.
Do you think Reggie is on damage limitation here, or does he have a point? Was Iwata's message lost in translation a little? Share your thoughts by posting a comment below.
[source polygon.com]
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I think he probably was slightly misinterpreted, as he didn't directly say "sorry". However, the fact he had to issue some sort of statement highlights how poor the digital event was.
What she/he said ^
I knew it, Iwata never apologizes, his pig-headedness is famous all over the world. He's rushing the teams to create cheap games from the franchises that we love thinking that we will spend every euro/dollar we have on them.
I think that Nintendo has some good content this year, they just failed to show it during Digital Event. Too much time was focused on small scale games like the AC Home Designer or that controversial Metroid spin-offs, while the Treehouse and trailers show awesome stuff like SMT x FE, Yoshi's Wooly World, Fast Racing Neo, there's incredible Fatal Frame trailer and Devil's Third I think is in schedule. So yeah, the problem was not content and Nintendo should not apologise for it. Iwata seems to acknowledge that what they showed at Digital Event was not the stuff people wanted to see during the main presentation.
Reggie is in full Damage Control Mode. And he is as bad at it as ever.
@RainbowGazelle No, it shows that Nintendo fans always want more-more-more, but are never happy with the "more."
Or, to add to what @Beechbone said, they're too worried about where the "more" comes from (boo-hoo, the good stuff wasn't showed at the Digital Event—get over it), rather than its quality.
It ******* should be meant as an apology!
@VanillaLake Um - naw. So far nothing but Grade A games. And awesome DLC. Looks like a bunch of people are just angry kids. Ima be over here enjoying myself with the games I have. And maybe Fire Emblem Sacred Stones will be out later today. Good times if you ask me.
Iwata missed E3 because:
A: He is still recovering from surgery.
B: He's very busy on the Wii U, 3DS, NX, and Mobile platform.
C: Didn't want a 100 interviews asking about the NX and Mobile side.
D: He knew he was going to get grief that they had very little exciting to exhibit.
E: A combination of A, B, C, & D.
Frankly if they're going to reveal things 3 months in advance on in Nintendo Directs, you question what the point is at being at E3? It's unlikely the press is going to be amazed by little 3ds games next to the big AAA games of other companies.
@Mus1cLov3r I agree 100% - Tool fans are the same way. First they are mad at the amount of time between projects, then they complain about the product. "The food at this restaurant is terrible." "Yeah, and the portions are so small!"
It's a bit of both. That statement wasn't an apology, but it was an acknolwedgement that fans are upset and that Nintendo will try harder next time. But Reggie is definitely in damage control mode.
@vitalemrecords Yep...
Lol!
Sure fine Reggie, spin it however you like. It ultimately doesn't matter. The Digital Event went so poorly that Iwata had to say SOMETHING, or else he knew fans would be coming with torches and pitchforks.
If it wasn't then we'd better hear a damned good apology from you Reggie!
Well if Iwata didn't say sorry...does that mean Nintendo don't care that they messed up?
Well, at least Iwata is taking note. Sometimes I feel Reggie isn't interested in certain fan interests like with 3DS models and colors that they keep off our shores
It's sure that Iwata didn't apology, it's more than just beliavable, that tweet was made just a couple of hours after the event, no president of a company would pubblically state they owe an apologies as soon as the first few negative comments online arise ^_^;;;
Surely they're gonna sum ups feedbacks and reactions once the E3 is over and they'll take some decisions based on those (something that would happen even with a succesful beloved result, mind you), but all that will happen in weeks, not few hours XD
I didn't see/read a - Please Understand™ - so no he didn't apologize.
Fans complaining fans complaining... Everyone complaining had their expectations way, waaaay too high!
Was it because of Sony presentation of things like The Last Guardian and Final Fantasy 7 remake? Or how Mother 1 was getting internationally released got you that illusional?
I wanted a new F-Zero and Sin & Punishment, but I hardly expected those regaurdless of the amazing reveals that were happening.
The media taking a quote, misinterpreting, and over blowing it for clicks/ratings that would never happen.
People just need to stop their complaining and grow up.
I had zero issue with E3 for Nintendo. My kids and I liked it and we agreed that we would get every game shown.
I saw nothing from PS4 or Xbone that I want.
It doesn't matter what Iwata said. That was kind of unnecessary to add, Reggie since it makes you sound more stubborn than understanding and thoughtful. I love you man but you gotta learn to read the atmosphere.
Reggie just has his panties in a bunch this week b/c he doesn't know how to Up+B in SSB and Iwata won't tell him what NX is.
Just shut up Reggie, it wasn't your Tweet, you aren't even in Japan w/ Iwata, just smile, shake hands, and say "my body is ready" a lot.
@DreamOn Nobody buys the reg. size 3ds. Get over it already. It has a small niche market, no need to bring it here and just have them take up shelf space. Just good business.
Even If they didn't have more content I show the presentation could have went better.If they' shown devils third ,fatal frame and fast racing neo during it it would have gave fans something different.then in the treehouse they could show the AC games and project treasure as examples of different free to download titles they're experimenting with.federstion force/blast ball being it's own ip would have helped splatoon showed nintendo can do a 3rd person team shooter so I think there'd have been intrigue over a first person one.
@BakaKnight - But here's the thing. Almost anybody w/ a pulse would have told Iwata beforehand how bad that NE was. ACaF is not the ACU anybody wanted on Wii U, neither was Metroid, and the Star fox graphics were not stellar. They may suffice, but they didn't blow anybody away, which is what E3 is all about, blowing people away w/ new game announcements.
So Iwata knew, he always knew the NDE was light on new game news and anything spectacular. He probably composed that tweet, w/ the help of some lawyers, a week ago.
They're both in a position where thye know Nintendo is in transition, and an event without huge reveals was (in retrospect) inevitable. Last year's reached so far into the future, and this year they couldn't repeat that with the Wii U's lifespan looking limited. They tried to give us some smaller-scale fun things in the meantime, and as a portable gamer, I'll have plenty to play. I took Iwata's tweet as more of an acknowledgement of complaints and some reassurance that big things are coming. They're just a bit too far down the road yet.
They should have shown splatoon, smash bros and zelda in the presentation; just in case it was a flop so they had a backup plan
It wasn't an apology because there wasn't anything to apologize for. The mob mentality of the Internet is blowing this completely out of proportion. So they aren't making the Metroid game some people had in mind. They aren't making it this year, but we will eventually get it, just like we'll get another console Animal Crossing game. In the meantime, we have two different takes on these franchises which could be great. They'll expand these game worlds and introduce new gameplay options. Nintendo has a knack for making amazing games we didn't realize we even wanted. I can't believe how people seem to always forget that.
@rjejr To be fair, Reggie was probably asked about the tweet. Considering it's E3, and in America, it's technically in his jurisdiction. So it's his responsibility to spin (if that's what his comments were) He just can't not answer the question if it was indeed brought up. (sorry for the bold text Haha) That would be am admission of some kind of guilt. Really he's in a tough spot, Reggie was probably going to get ridiculed no matter what answer he gave.
@MoonKnight7
Well actually he issued a statement because of fans flipping out, which honestly happens all the time over any little thing
Nintendo doesn't even hear the fans. Every year games come out either lacking online multiplayer, or online voice chat.
MAYBE they hear the fans,but they dont listen.
Time for Reggie & Iwata to resign.
@vitalemrecords I'm happy for you but I don't see that quality except in the games I already knew like Project Zero/Fatal Frame, Yoshi, Zelda or Fire Emblem. I'm not an angry kid.
@freaksloan It sells fewer than the XL, but I'd hardly call it niche or claim no one buys it. I imported a Japanese one. It's lovely.
It would not have sold as well as the XL, no, but it would have sold. The question becomes why, if the regular-sized models had actually historically done best in NA, did they opt to not bring it here. Most of us would have been fine had they simply answered that question.
Long time Nintendo fanboy here and I can't believe some Nintendo-fans actually try to defend this abysmal presentation.
Animal Crossing = party board-game, instead of the full console AC [most] people were hoping for.
Metroid = cheaply made multiplayer game, instead of the full singleplayer Metroid [most] people were hoping for.
Zelda = cheaply made multiplayer, instead of a singleplayer Zelda in the vain of 'A Link Between Worlds' [most] people would want.
Starfox = apparently not as tight control wise as it's predecessors and obviously the graphics are sub-par. And while graphics don't make a game, they do add or subtract from the atmosphere and your ability to immerse yourself. As Nintendo-Life has shown, this isn't better looking than an upscaled Gamecube game..
To people commenting that these are just spin-offs and we can expect to eventually get full fledged releases off these games are obviously delusional. Nintendo has put it's resources into creating a bunch of simple games that don't require a huge investment (apart from Zelda Wii U), instead of creating one or two more big, quality titles. The only big, quality titles still coming to Wii U are Super Mario Maker and Zelda. I won't even count Starfox among those, since it seems like a small, low budget title (which doesn't mean it can't still turn out great, gameplay-wise).
Won't even comment on people apparently claiming Nintendo had better stuff to show than Sony/Microsoft.
If even after a terrible presentation like this, you're still positive about what Nintendo had to show, you either have a really weird taste, not comparable to the majority of the Nintendo-fans, or you are just so blinded by your fanboyism you don't dare say anything negative about them.
EDIT: You're also obviously not winning any new souls, if this is the best you've got to show.
Iwata should just start retooling Nintendo as a response.
Expand Retro to be able to take on two big projects at once, expand Nintendo Software Technology, have Nintendo ERD help in video optimization and other sorts of things that will make development easier, have more Treehouse-style projects.
Pull off more third-party partnerships (SEGA with Valkyria Chronicles, Koei Tecmo with Nobunaga's Ambition, Capcom with Mega Man. Square Enix with Dragon Quest and Bravely series, Ubisoft with Rayman and Zombi, the list goes on.)
I'm still mad about not getting a Pilotwings for the Wii U.
I agree the media sometimes misinterpret - occasionally deliberately - the content or basis of a message like this. But I believe it would have been better to say nothing. It now looks like Iwata does not stand by the product that they were showcasing at E3. Saying 'we hear you' is still an admission of guilt. It denotes that they are aware they HAVEN'T listened to what fans want.
But then again, they know what people want. Of course they do. theyre just totally unwilling to invest money into a console that's already DOA. Starfox was a promise from last year that they simply had to make good on. There really is nothing else new, apart from a Mario sports title and a free download amiibo game with AC characters cut and pasted into.
I truly believe the NX will be released Q4 next year. Reggie 'fundamentally' doesn't believe in showing future product as he has stated - with that logic the only way to read into this is that this is the Wii U's final fling.
I know he's a glorified PR guy so this positive spin is part of his job, but in this interview he's made himself look really stupid by comparing the Metroid Prime Federation Force reaction to Splatoon. He says people reacted badly to that too and now they love it. Huh?! There was a hugely positive reaction right from the first moment most people saw Splatoon.
@freaksloan people invested money in a console and didn't get the calibre of games they were led to believe they would.
The wii had games in the scope of mario galaxy 1&2 twilight princess ,skyward sword ,metroid prime 3 (later the whole trilogy) even brawl had a more substantial single player mode than smash 4.thats all in addition to the likes of mario kart ,nsmb,donkey kong ,wii sports etc.
The wii u doesn't really come close in that sense,sure mk8 is much better than the wii version and there's a lot of great multiplayer games but 3 years in and the wii u hasn't had many games that offers a single player experience as substantial as those I mentioned even 3d world works better as co-op unless bayonetta and w101 are to your taste there's not a whole lot there(at retail at least)
So if fans are fed up that the console they bought seems to already be getting phased out .with the possibility that the only big single player gamer the console has to offer nowhere in sight till at least late next year and possibly being used to launch another brand new console to boot,and the release schedule being padded with spinoffs of franchises that haven't even had mainline games this generation all the while the "big" games are getting kept for this new console then I think they've got every right to be within reason.
@freaksloan I didn't buy it only because it had crappy battery life. If it had better battery life than the GamePad, I would've bought it...
@rjejr I still remember how Iwata talked at E3 about himself beating Reggie at Smash.
It was hilarious because of how awkward it was at E3 2005.
@TheWPCTraveler I still have no idea what NERD are actually being employed for.according to Wikipedia they done the wii u middleware.if that's the case Iwata should really take a good look at them given how few developers have worked on the system,claiming it's too difficult to code for etc.
You know what? It really is a shame that we're at this point, because Nintendo's done a whole lot of things right as of late.
Splatoon. The Humble Nindie Bundle. New Fire Emblem. Hyrule Warriors coming to 3DS. Considering getting rid of region-locking. Fatal Frame (not my style, but a big deal, surely). We know Bravely Second and Stella Glow are coming. The long-awaited final Wii game is coming—Rodea. I'm really well pleased.
The shame is that, in the video game industry at large, E3 is when you're expected to wow people. And when you don't—and this presentation didn't wow me—then every little negative thing about your company gets dragged up again. Reality, but not really fair.
Ok, a LOT of people don't seem to be understanding what's going on here.
No, Iwata did NOT apologize. Everyone took it as one due to assumption on their part, but his words never were an apology at all.
The thing is.. the Japanese don't "do" apologies like this. This is a very clear-cut of cultural difference on a basic level, that people are interpreting with their western expectations of apologies they think they're owed. In Japan, when heavily criticized, even if they don't agree, it's considered the polite thing to acknowledge the critisism and say "We hear what you're saying and we understand you're not happy." NOT "We're sorry and we're going to bend over backwards to make it right for you because we agree with you."
This was a move, from the very start to "save face" in a Japanese business way, that doesn't translate over because Americans are naturally entitled and feel that any acknowledgement is somehow validation of an apology they believe they're owed or that Nintendo is taking any fault.
And quite frankly, they're not obligated to, nor SHOULD have to apologize to ANYONE. People are getting stupidly up in arms about not receiving something they were never promised in the first place, and in return, the Japanese thing to do is to try and quell anger by saying "We hear that you're angry. We're sorry that you are.".
Quite frankly, I think everyone needs to get over themselves in this matter, and Nintendo is pretty much in the right here. They're issuing a "please understand" statement and everyone is continuing to act so entitled about it that they somehow believe that Iwata is "apologizing" for not giving entitled fanboys something they were never promised to begin with, despite the fact that this is NEVER what he said and no whining about how it's "backpedaling" or something when it's very clearly not. People read the apologize into it, and then getting whiny when, again, their selfish assumptions aren't being catered to on a silver platter.
This is the worst kind of entitlement compounded by shoving words in their mouth they never even said. People need to be ashamed for their part in both creating this drama and misreading the response. Nintendo is essentially telling you to "calm your t*ts." Maybe it's time to sit down and do that.
*clear cut case
I never saw this as an apology, but rather an acknowledgement that fans were displeased. It was an appropriate response because people were furious. It's better to say something than nothing at all.
What I'm more concerned about is all of the defending of Nintendo and calling people who are angry as a bunch of whiners, belittling the issues and anger they have. If you liked the Direct, then fine, that's good. But if you didn't like it, and there are millions who didn't, that doesn't make them whiners.
I love Nintendo with my heart and soul, and I was very, very mad by the time the presentation was over. Its not just that our "expectations were too high", but it is that most expectations were quite rational and still were not met. First Metroid game in five years and we get some random spinoff game. First home console Animal Crossing game in seven years and we get a Mario Party ripoff with forced amiibo support. Barely a single brand new Wii U game shown. These are legit reasons for people to be angry. These games and others were front and center while other games like Fatal Frame V and Devil's Third - both with release dates of this year - were nowhere to be found... and still aren't in any of the marketing release calendar graphics that Nintendo has put out since then.
E3 is the biggest show of the year. There may be Nintendo Directs and stuff sprinkled throughout the year, but this is the show that people will remember the most. Nintendo has done a lot, and I mean a lot, right in the past few years. But that doesn't mean they should get a pass when they crap out the turd they did on Tuesday.
I love Nintendo and I still do. But it is never wrong to be mad at them. We have a right to voice our concerns. If they never hear any negative feedback, how will they improve in the future? I know that I'm angry, but it's because of that love for Nintendo is why I am angry.
Well we certainly deserve an apology!
Rating this year's E3 Presentations (for my taste):
1. Microsoft
2. Sakurai's Direct (Sunday)
3. Sony
4. Nintendo
5. EA
5.1 Ubisoft
I haven't saw SquareEnix so I can't rate it.
I own a 360, Wii U and 3DS FE edition.
From that Digital event I'll buy for sure:
Star Fox, need to see with own hands if this game will finally be better than Star Fox 64
Xeno X
Yoshi Wolly
FE: Fate
And will keep an eye on FExSMT since it's pretty early to decide on that have based on what I've saw.
(Yes, I won't buy Mario Maker, it's cool, will sell crazy units, just not my type of game)
Please understand...
@Peach64 Exactly, Splatoon was one of the major things that made last year's E3 presentation so great. It was new and fresh, it looked great. And with the gameplay shown on the Treehouse streams they sold a lot of people on it.
What does the Fox said?
Splatoon had fan art after it's reveal. Metroid Prime Federation Force has petitions for it's cancellation.
@Vineleaf This
People need to stop the ad hominem. I made it a point to reduce my expectations to zero going into the event and was still disappointed. The bait and switch with AC and Metroid Prime didn't help either. Good for you if you found the presentation fulfilling and feel there's nothing to be upset over, just accept that you're very much in the minority and throwing around "you're all entitled and selfish!" insults does nothing to change that.
Reggie thought the Spaltoon reactions were bad? Huh? It pretty much sparked a fandom overnight. Tumblr filled with fanart and homemade plushes within a day of it's reveal. Two days after MP:FF's people are signing cancellation petitions and giving the trailer tens of thousands of dislikes. What kind of out of touch revisionist nonsense...
Wow REALLY? Why can't Nintendo just own up to their mistakes? They obviously f-cked up, an apology would be nice... I'm tired of seeing Nintendo trying to cover things up as if it never happened, but they need to do something because fans are angry
Yeah I was really surprised when I saw that. I don't think they'd apologize for anything.
I don't really believe that they've heard anything though.
Doesn't matter. The event speaks for itself. Nintendo doesn't want my money between releases of wooly world and Zelda u apparently.
Iwata would probably say "Please Understand".
@Monkeh
You could buy a Xbox one and PS4 look forward to in 2015 playing Xbox 360 games if the people who made the games decide to let you, a collection of N64 games, God of War 3, Uncharted 1 - 3.
But hey you have those empty promises from Sony to look forward too. Enslaved err I mean Horizon, a game that came out in '97 with a release date of "after they have announced the PS5", Shenmue III which will be like Agency you remember Agency?, and The Last Guardian which appeared to use the same trailer from 2009 with a vague 2016 tacked on to the end.
Of course you can always play those Vita games at night by the light of your move controllers while the dust collects on your PlayStation TV and your 3D glasses.It will be like Woody (PSTV) and Jessie (3D glasses) waiting on Buzz (Project Morpheus).
@NorthLightSuplx
That's one thing I really like about also being a PC gamer. There are so many options you don't need to rely on promises from certain developers.
You wanna know something? Warning: Long Read. Wanna know who I'd blame for Federation Force? Which will be an okay game seeing how Next Level is making it. I blame the Metroid fans. This is why.
"Ugh! We want another edgy darker Metroid game with more story."
"Other M comes out. Samus trembles before Ridley."
"This is bull****! Samus wouldn't have PTSD after watching her parents dying from this thing. No way. She would never act like a normal human being. Or take orders from the federation even though she walked in at their freaking operation!"
I thought Other M was okay. It's gameplay style was new, it had a story, and the overall experience was okay. So when Nintendo saw the backlash that recieved, even after working with Team effing Ninja on the game. They went the route of a stylized four player co-op game to expand the overall universe. I also can't believe theirs a petition to cancel the game, seeing how theirs literally very little to base our judgement on. How do you guys not know if their will be different sets of armor? How long is the campaign? What's the story? How many weapons? You guys are acting like the Zelda fans when Windwaker came out...so for s***'s sake give the game a snowballs chance in hell before blowing everything out of the water all because, "No Saaaaaamus. Its not eeeedgy. I dunt waaaana play as the federation, who are pretty much the space police that are existant in the Metroid lore just as much as Samus and the Chozos." What your really saying is that you don't want to see the franchise expand. If it expands it WILL get more attention, and MORE games will be made for it.
Keep Calm, and Force On
It wouldn't matter if he did or didn't apologize. The Wii U had been put in palliative care until the end of 2015 and then dead in 2016 so it doesn't make a difference. it just means that I will take more caution when buying Nintendo and investing money into Nintendo in the near future especially when it comes to consoles.
@NorthLightSuplx I have more Vita games than 3DS games. And I have a lot of 3DS games.
That petition to cancel it has accumulated over 12,000 signatures. Remember when that happened to Splatoon?
@Yorumi The NX is only being announced next year. Since when is any console announced, produced, and shipped by Christmas all in the same year? We still have all of 2016, and probably most of 2017.
@Vineleaf
Good my wife has more games on her tablet than I have on my 3DS does that mean the games or better or just cheaper? When PSN has flash sales every month, provides PS members with free games, and Vita games litter the clearance aisle you can accumulate a lot of games quick.
Nintendo offerings are great this year the only problem was the presentation itself sucked. Zelda fans are getting an ONLINE MULTIPLAYER zelda game THIS YEAR. Mario Maker and Mario RPG, Fire Emblem looking great. Xenoblade around the corner. StarFox, Earthbound Zero. Don't let Metroid disapointment stop you from seeing what is good (Metroid isn't looking bad itself)
I'm getting really sick of Reggie. Nintendo is a Japanese company, and the Japanese have a very candid way with dealing with this sort of thing - hence Iwata's tweet. Reggie is just trying to 'americanize' Iwata's statement, because there's no space for candidness in American corporate culture - just corporate talk and non-statements.
What is there to be sorry about? It surely wasn't the best showcase but they did deliver. just didn't live up to the artificial hype and high expectations. you cant please em all but you can make them all watch and talk. Its not like that's all to look forward to this year and next. that's the beauty of Nintendo~they are always full of surprises and not afraid to try different, new things. until the next nintendo direct,im pleased.
@Hachiko
PS4, Xbox One, and Vita are all recent examples.
There's nothing to apologize for, everyone's just acting like a 5 year old who didn't get exactly what they wanted for Christmas.
@NorthLightSuplx I'm not counting download games in that, just physical releases. Both systems have great lineups the way I see it, so I don't get the claim that the Vita has no games anymore than I get those who say the Wii U has no games.
I've got 30+ physical games for my Wii U and I'm well pleased with the purchase. My friend with a PS4 is in the same boat. We look at what each other has and decide not to bother.
To say that Sony only has last-generation stuff or that multi-plats don't count mirrors what they say about us and third-party games. And to say that Sony has a littered history of not supporting what they produce—and they do—means we have to ignore Nintendo's habits in that area.
If Mario Maker, Starfox, Zelda U, Devil's Third, Fatal Frame, Xenoblade, SMTxFE all to be released within 12 months is people thinking the Wii U is being abandoned then I don't know what you are looking for
If Mario Maker, Starfox, Zelda U, Devil's Third, Fatal Frame, Xenoblade, SMTxFE all to be released within 12 months is people thinking the Wii U is being abandoned then I don't know what you are looking for
Wait, so why does Nintendo have to apologize? I think I'm missing something.
"Basically, we're not sorry - quit your complaining and buy the new Star Fox"
@something17 People are hating the new Metroid game without even watching the treehouse about it and getting mad over the 60 seconds of Nintendo Direct footage. Its understandable but blind hatred
99% of the time, suits from companies don't come out and flat out say "I'm sorry" unless they've done something absolutely horrible. In which case, there's nothing to apologize for here.
Yeah, the presentation was pretty ho-hum and we're getting the exact opposite of what everybody wants. But dear lord, they're a video game company, they screwed up and people are acting like they just gave everybody cancer.
People are angry, Iwata said "(sorry) we hear you, let's try meet your expectations" so even if he hasn't said "Sorry", it was an apology .
@Vineleaf
If you are just talking retail then you are fixing to be in for a drought. After Freedom Wars which came out last year, what have they announced? At E3 there was World of Final Fantasy. I am sure there are some Japanese games that nothing but the very niche crowd would know about. Sony has already said they will no longer be making AAA games for it. Do not get me wrong the Vita is a great device but the support is fixing to be very lacking and was never great to begin with. The vita just appears to be an empty promise at this point.
@something17 They don't. Nor should they, really. This is what they believe is best for them, and that's fine. I as a consumer don't agree, and I think they should have emphasized Reggie's theme of transformation much more.
Then again, since I'm much more a 3DS person than Wii U person, I'm well-pleased by the games coming my way: Bravely Second, Etrian Odyssey Untold 2, Stella Glow, hopefully Final Fantasy Explorers, etc. Buying a Nintendo portable has never disappointed me.
The consoles have been another story, and I get the frustration some are feeling. For me, Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta, Hyrule Warriors, and Splatoon were reason enough for me to buy a Wii U. I don't need a huge lineup going forward to feel I've gotten value for money.
The issue for many people, myself included is not that we did not get what we wanted. The issue is that Nintendo thought this was the best thing they could limp out of the barn, especially after Sony and Microsoft showed off some pretty cool stuff at E3.
For months, even years perhaps, people have defended Nintendo's mistakes time and time again. I myself a guilty of that as well. We have defended Nintendo, whitewashed over their mistakes, and created the image of a David struggling against the Goliaths of Sony and Microsoft.
For years, it was the third-parties that were to blame for not wanting to make games for Nintendo. It was Sony and Microsoft's fault for creating a generation of dudebro gamers who could never understand Nintendo. It was the gaming press who were out to make Nintendo look bad.
Let me blunt here, for years Nintendo benefited from a fanbase that gave them free passes and blamed everyone else for their woes.
People may think I'm nuts for saying this,but browse the comments on Nintendo Life. If a third-party refuses to make a game for the Wii U, its not Nintendo that gets the blame. It has to be part of an evil plot to keep Nintendo down by denying them third-party games.
The gaming press is bashing Nintendo? Must be part of an evil plot to bring down Nintendo, because we all know Sony and Microsoft have never been criticized by their fans or the gaming press!
If you went by some of the comments on this site, Sony and Microsoft are evil companies who have third-parties and gaming press in their back pockets while Nintendo struggles in an unfair battle while flying the flag of classic gaming values.
This E3 accomplished something amazing. It finally shattered the illusion that Nintendo is a gaming god that is being unfairly pushed around by bigger companies.
Do people want to know why this E3 angered everyone so badly? Because it was a damn insult. For all their faults, Sony and Microsoft to their credit listen to their fans. They have to listen to survive in the marketplace. Sony learned from its mistakes with the PS3, while Microsoft has managed to recover from their PR mistakes with the Xbox One back in 2013.
I'm not saying either company is perfect, but there is a reason why their systems sell and why they get third-parties lining up at their doors to make games.
Microsoft and Sony hit the right buttons with gamers at E3 this year. Nintendo could have done the same, but they trotted out a weak line-up of games and called it a day.
If a potential buyer of the PS4, Xbox One, or Wii U was asked to judge their purchase through this year's E3, who would pick the Wii U?
I'm glad Nintendo is getting some backlash from its fans. This is long overdue and something they have needed. For years, I have seen a bubble surround Nintendo while its fans gave every excuse in the book to justify why they are at the end of the day, selling outdated hardware with poor third-party support that has fallen behind in sales compared to its rivals.
The thing to remember is that Nintendo has made promises time and time again. How many times have we heard that they would improve third-party support? How many times have they made promises and failed to keep them?
But even through all of that, the fans supported them, defended them. Maybe this E3 was the straw that broke the camels back.
Hopefully, the backlash will make Nintendo realize their direction is flawed and they work to correct it. Lackluster PS3 sales scared Sony into correcting things with the PS4, and Microsoft has done everything in their power to get back into the good graces of gamers with the Xbox One.
Like them or hate them, Sony and Microsoft have a business model that works.
Nintendo on the other hand is losing ground every single year. The Wii U will go down as the lowest selling Nintendo home console ever, and will likely be around Dreamcast and Saturn numbers when it is all said and done, the 3DS has stalled, and the only thing that has saved Nintendo from becoming the next Sega is that they figured out fans will spend money on little figures of Mario.
I'm sure people will slam me as a Nintendo hater. Fine, although I own a Wii U and a 2DS and love both system. I'll gladly admit Nintendo's 3DS lineup is solid and outside of the Metroid game, was a highlight of E3. The issue is the garbage they trotted out for the Wii U this year. A Star Fox game in 2015 with no online multiplayer and forced gamepad controls? An Animal Crossing spin-off when people wanted the real deal? No signs of Devil's Third or Zelda Wii U?
I figured Nintendo would not have an F-Zero or anything like that. But outside of Mario Maker and Xenoblade, there is really nothing to personally look forward to on the Wii U this year.
Star Fox might have gotten the nod, but it looks like a rehash of 64 with HD graphics and some ideas from Starfox 2 thrown it. Why in 2015 is Nintendo terrified to put online in their major AAA titles? I can understand if online multiplayer does not fit the game, but its a Star Fox game. Surely, they could have put in online multiplayer in a game like that.
On the positive note, the 3DS lineup looks great, as does the Smash DLC and Earthbound 1. Its just the rest of Nintendo's E3 that was horrible, especially compared to Microsoft and Sony's shows.
And to be blunt, as a Wii U owner I feel insulted that this is the best Nintendo can come up with. Its clear they are biding their time for the NX to come out.
I don't think he should apologize for E3 necessarily, but admitting you were off from your target market is.
I do think that he should apologize to Wii U owners for the lack of substance on the system. Nintendo wants you to buy the wii u and all these amiibos, but is already thinking next gen before they even have a somewhat selective library for the Wii U. That's a burn to your customers.
I think that is why everyone is so upset. This was probably the last year for something substantial for the Wii U or for them to show just how innovative their game system was, and we were given nothing really, and definitely nothing we didnt know about that was worth while.
I'm regretting my purchase when there isnt anything that i have to looke foward to, and other gaming companies have 17 different titles each to discuss, which half or more look awesome to play. Begining to realize it might be time to part ways with Nintendo (as much as it pains me to say).
Its not only about being behind next gen consoles in graphics and media options now, but not having enough out there for current fans to keep investing in Nintendo. Nintendo keeps being conservative but their action process is far too slow to survive the fast paced gaming world that there becoming less and less a part of.
@NorthLightSuplx It is a shame about the Vita's support going forward, true, though I do like me some JRPGs. Makes it worth it to me. Same reason the Wii U was worth it to me: first-party games.
I actually have more games on preorder on the Vita than anything else, oddly enough. I just wish portables in general sold better over here these days. I don't like phone and tablet games.
@Toadthefox I had admittedly low expectations, but if there's one hole on the Wii U, it's for a Pilotwings title. I thought that would be a no-brainer with the Gamepad. Even just expanding Pilotwings Resort from the 3DS would have been a fun download title. I just don't get the sense of fun like that from the forthcoming titles. Outside of Yoshi, of course.
I think the biggest problem here is that western media (and gamers) know nothing, or don't care to understand, about the differences in cultures. Iwata didn't apologize, he just send a message that in Japan is understood as "We got your feedback". The cultural clash is big - while Iwata is considered a good president by Japan's standards (or he wouldn't be there for more than 10 years), he's not the ideal American/European businessman. Reggie had to clear that up, because it was an error in traslation - looks like gaming media needs some people that can explain cultural differences!
The comments here make me pretty sad...
Reggie doesn't speak Japanese.
@Monkeh
Agreed,many WiiU owners have been burned this entire generation and people getting fed up with Nintendo burning them is apparently some horrible thing. We're essentially getting one...maybe two new WiiU games a month in the Fall and Holiday season with long waits padded out with budget stuff like Skylanders and Just Dance? How can people not understand that there is a serious problem in the video game line-up here?
Someone needs to wake up and smell the rotting roses, even stockholders understood that Nintendo's E3 showing was utter crap.
http://mynintendonews.com/2015/06/18/nintendos-stock-dropped-fairly-significantly-after-e3-2015-digital-event/
Cultural differences or not, someone should apologize, because what they showed at E3 was unacceptable and unlike their die-hard fanboys many people are not going to simply sit there and take it. E3 is not simply another nintendo direct and it's about time they realized that.
@Yorumi whats in development? How about Mario Maker, Yoshi WW, Xenoblade X, Star Fox, the new Zelda, and all the games we already got that were good.
Super Mario 3d World
HD Windwaker
MK8
SSB4
the dlc for both titles
Pikmin 3
Two new IPs: The Wonderful 101/Splatoon
Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze.
Kirby and the Rainbow Curse
All really good games.
Wow, fans are alot scarier then I thought when it comes to stuff like this and high expectations. Makes me look like a mouse amongst lions with my hobby.
The fact that he even said anything about it shows that he knew it was bad. Apology or not, he knew it went poorly.
@Luna_110 I like Iwata's style better than Reggie's. The translations of his presentations show a bluntness and honesty that I really respect. I contrast that with Reggie on the N3DS and that's where I see the difference. Contrasting Reggie and Phil is even more stark.
Iwata seems to be able to poke fun at himself and I think he wants what we want: a healthy Nintendo. Whether or not his ideas for getting that are the same as ours is a good question.
But no: it wasn't an apology, and I really didn't take it as one. It was more of a "What did you think? Ah. No, huh? Okay. Well, we hear what you're saying. Thanks for your opinions."
Ugh people was just starting to calm down. Damn it Reggie
I really feel like he shouldn't apologise for Nintendo's digital event, if fans aren't satisfied then that's sad, but Nintendo probably did their best.
I feel like they have a lot of "secrets" going on right now, like the Nintendo NX and new Nintendo games coming to mobile devices. They are changing, but they don't want other companies know what they are planning, at least not the details, until the time is right. It's a difficult situation, with many thing to take in to consideration.
My main complaint is that Nintendo should have had Fatal Frame: The Black Haired Shrine Maiden and Devil's Third in their digital event. They seriously need to focus less on "young kinds might be watching" and more on "adult fans would really like this". They are hurting themselves too much over parenting kids, without getting any profit from it.
I think that Nintendo’s Treehouse Event, where they show off their games, should be their E3 presentation. That way, they have 3 Days to show off as many games as they want to. They can show a trailer for the game and then spend some time showing the game off. I think that that would be awesome. Right?
He didn't apologize or acknowledge that the Digital Event was poor. He said that Nintendo would CONTINUE to meet our expectations, which from that I infer that he thinks that we were satisfied with what they showed to us.
Damage control and trying to save face. They don't wanna admit that they're failures this year.
They wouldn't have to be trying to do all this damage control if the E3 showing had been any good to begin with.
@rjejr You are kidding right? Or doing a complain against the Digital Event maybe? There is no way that Iwata preapered a japanese statement on twitter as a emergency plan for a possible wordwide backfire XD
I'm positive they knew the risks some projects could cause, but if they invested in them months and resources then they trusted those ideas and they believed that many fans would have appreaciated them.
The negative feedback online is on a level they surely didn't expect (ack... I still can't believe it got to this level...), but let's even say they feared it, there is NO way that a company would apologies in front of the first few negative comments; that is like throwing a LOT of wood in a small fire for stop it, it can only end very badly XD
@ekreig Couldn't agree more. I think if they had actually announced ONE new, primarily single-player Wii U game, most of the people who are currently complaining (including myself), probably wouldn't be that disappointed and complain as much (or at all).
@NorthLightSuplx I don't even understand half your post with it's broken English, but you seem to be acting like I'm some kind of Sony fanboy? If you're just trying to make it seem like Sony and Microsoft conferences were LESS impressive than the one by Nintendo, you're failing.
@GraveLordXD You're a better person than me, since I actually did complain about people liking this stuff.
Sure I'm mostly complaining about what Nintendo does, but I also don't really like seeing other Nintendo fans being happy about games like this, since that will only increase the chance of this stuff selling well and Nintendo not even wanting to do another big production, if this shovelware is more profitable.
@Bagels IMO they don't have to apologize, but they should acknowledge how much they've disappointed their fans with this Direct. So basically, to me, Iwata's statement was sort of good enough as is (I never read it as an apology), though I'd have preferred actual acknowledgement that they should've done things differently (which again isn't apologizing).
I'm tired of people saying the ones who are disappointed and/or mad had "expectations too high". Wanting a new, true Metroid game after years of inactivity in the franchise is not an expectation that is too high. Wanting a StarFox game that looks like it at least comes from somewhere near this generation of graphics is not an expectation that is too high. Being teased in interviews about getting the first new home console version of Animal Crossing in seven years and then wanting it is not an expectation that is too high. Hoping for more activity on the Virtual Console front after a splashy launch of Wii titles on the Wii U is not having an expectation that is too high.
Its not like we rationally expected twenty new IPs and remasters of everything under the sun. Our expectations were reasonable, and none of them were met.
@Sir_JBizzle - I just don't like other people telling me what other people said. Is he Iwatas' press secretary? How does he know what Iwata meant? If your wife posts something on FB do you go around telling people what she "meant"? How does Reggie know what Iwata meant or didn't mean?
"The correct translation of his message was". Does Reggie have a degree in translation perfection? I know he's multi-lingual but I'd rather hear what Bill Trinen has to say has to say. Why doesn't somebody ask him if it was an apology or not? Him I'll believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Trinen
Reggie just should have never flatly stated "It was not an apology." He should have said - you'll have to ask him - or - you can take it anyway you want it. His absolute declaration was moronic. And I'm not surprised.
Cut nintendo some slack, I'm pretty sure you all still want to play 1 of the games that was revealed at e3...
@Captain_Gonru - I felt like it was a rather generic apology that was appropriate in the situation. It's not an admission of guilt, it's an acknowledgment that you did something that made other people unhappy. When you say to your wife "I'm sorry your feelings are hurt" and them mumble under your breath "but I didn't do anything wrong".
It's saying "Nintendo tried our best to give you a good show, I'm sorry if you aren't happy about it, but we did our best." You don't have to acknowledge that it was a bad show, no politician worth a lick, nor professional sports athlete, will ever acknowledge doing anything wrong, just that people have unrealistic expectations and you are sorry people are never happy w/ what you do b/c you know it is your job to make people happy and all you can do is try your best.
You never have to admit to doing anything wrong ,you just have to acknowledge that your actions affect other people and you are sorry if they are disappointed, you didn't mean to upset anyone and you tried your best and what you did was good, it's not your fault people can't see it that way.
People cry, they need hugs.
japanese gamers didn't like e3 so iwata tweeted to address their concerns. us gamers didn't like e3 and reggie basically tells them to STFU and take because they don't understand.
Nintendo really needs better leadership at NOA. or at least a new PR department
@BakaKnight - "There is no way that Iwata preapered a japanese statement on twitter as a emergency plan for a possible wordwide backfire XD"
OK maybe he didn't write it a week in advance, but if he has even 1 functioning brain cell he should have started working on it after the Sony presser when his only possibly reaction to that could have been
"Oh my."
@Monkeh i agree with you completely. I've always have loved Nintendo, and my friends who have ps4's and xbox ones laughed when I bought a wii u. I told them that there were better things to come from Nintendo and it was worth the investment. I look like a fool now, and i dont care what their next gen has when this gen has been so lacking. The fans with blinders on can say that this was a solid showing, and other consoles dont offer anything. However thats just delusional talk. Heck just as an nintendo fanboy the Rare collection looks awesome from xbox. This was a big blow for an Nintendo fanboy and for me causes me to question my faith in the company. It seems silly to some, but i invest in this stuff so its a personal decision to me. I want them to entertain me and give me the options i deserve as a customer. If not, then why am i buying from them.
@vitalemrecords yes! What you said!
Iwata shouldn't apologize. Yes, the Event was bad, but it was the presentation, not the games. The games are great. And for Iwata to apologize would distract people from the quality of the games, which is what Nintendo is, and should be, focusing on.
@Caryslan Your comment was spot on, with the exception of saying that Sony and Microsoft's business model works. That part I don't agree with. I think that business model is set up to eventually collapse under its own weight. Not to mention the fact that the Xbox division didn't make profit until a couple of years ago due to them dropping the original Xbox for the 360 before they could make back the initial money sunk on R&D.
@Caryslan well said man, sad truth for me.....I'm more excited to get Lego Jurassic world on Friday than for any of the Wii u games mentioned in the e3 broadcast!! I should be all giddy about starfox-the n64 game is an all time favourite of mine, but I'm too nervous they have it all wrong to be truly excited!!
I don't see what was so bad about that E3.
Seems Pokemon fans were upset that franchise was left out, but anyone seriously feeling THAT needs an apology for is a bit selfish. They've announced enough lately on that recently, even if it's not the Kalos third version they might have been hoping for.
The man has a point, just because last years E3 was good and this one was disappointing doesn't mean that Nintendo owes them a damn a thing. Maybe he was apologizing for the disappointment to both the fanbase and himself for organizing a bad E3 but I think Reggie is legitimately right and what he said took balls but he wants us all to know that they always take suggestions, but they're not necessarily gonna apologize for not giving the fans what they want. I swear this is the year of entitlement. No one ever flipped out on all the years that Starfox or Metroid was never shown. If people who are mad think that they can change things, they are right, to some extent. I mean look at our outcry to Majoras Mask that finally got answered, as well as ORAS which was also highly anticipated. Nintendo even stated that if a serious Prime game were to be made, it would be made on the NX, meaning that a serious game could be in the cards. We just have to give it time and if you don't like what they have to offer than don't support it. That's all I have to say.
So people thought that Iwata apologized. Why not leave the people to think that. It can only help as far as Nintendo's reputation is concerned. Sometimes people need to know when to stop talking. This is one of those times.
@vitalemrecords: agreed. Just like with the Smash Bros. roster, people are just whining because they didn't get what they wanted, rather than a true lack of quality or content.
@JaxonH
"Well actually he issued a statement because of fans flipping out..."
Isn't that what I said?
@MoonKnight7
I was elaborating. My point was fans over react to pretty much everything. Not to say the presentation wasn't bad, but I don't think it was atrocious or anything. But anytime something doesn't meet expectations it gets labeled "worst ever". And that's what happened here. It was a so-so presentation... Lots of games but very few notable Wii U surprise announcements, but the reaction was something along the lines of "omg Nintendo is dead to me!" It was this over-reaction that triggered a statement, not the quality of the actual presentation
Of course he didn't apologise for showing a few games that some people didn't like ; BP took days to apologise for spilling huge volumes of oil into the ocean. Yes the Digital Event was poor for a lot of people , but , consumers at large are more interested in Animal Crossing , Mario Tennis and Amiibo than Metroid. For the cost and potential sales , it really is a no brainer for Nintendo. Personally , I would love a new Metroid - but I would never sign a petition to get a game cancelled just because it had Metroid in the title. A game that we know next to nothing about. I feel sorry for Next Level whose game is probably going to get ignored and slated just because it isn't a true Metroid. One preview says that Starfox controls are iffy , it is now fact ? The Wii U has already had some great games ; there are some more potentially great games coming in the next six months. Nintendo could have improved their E3 reaction by showing trailers for Fatal Frame , Fast Racing Neo and Devil's Third during the Digital Event. They also should have ended with a surprise reveal instead of a montage of mario musical nonsense. However , they still showed more gameplay and games than any other first party studio as far as I could see.
Everyone's E3 sucked. It usually does. Get over it.
This is why I prefer Tokyo gameshow, even if half the games showed at it never come over.
@Mus1cLov3r I think that, due to Nintendo wrapping up game production on the Wii U after barely 3 years without really making any software that warranted its existence, people have a right to feel that there hasn't been enough content. Releases have been sparse, and a lot of them weren't of particularly high quality either.
@RainbowGazelle
Considering the Wii-u has had Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Splatoon, Bayonetta and Monster Hunter 3, I'd hardly say it hasn't gotten good software library.
Lets consider the wii, or the gamecube, in which it took about four or five years to build such a repertoire. I think people are just entitled cry babies. They don't remember the huge software droughts of past consoles. I sure as hell remember how awful it was to own a ps3 or an xbox360 on launch year. PS3 was worse, it took 3 years to get anything worth playing.
I don't think they need to apologize, but they really need to listen to the fans and learn for next time. All I know is when it comes to purchasing Nintendo games right now, I'm being very cautious, and I've never been like that towards Nintendo. I hope they learn alot from this year and from the very quickly declining home console of theirs before showing off the NX next year, cause as it is, your losing me and lots of devoted fans, and if that's so, NX might be your last console.
@Monkeh I could not have explained it better. Both Microsoft and Sony showed more love to their fans than Nintendo.
Fanboyism can be so blind...
@Caryslan, @Monkeh
Outstanding posts. You share the sentiments I've long had with both Nintendo and their overwhelmingly apologetic fanboys. The fans forgive almost everything, and make paranoid conspiracy theorist-style accusations to against the rest of the industry for everything else. Blame third parties. Blame MS and Sony. Blame everyone except Nintendo and their own buying habits which, for 4 generations, have increasingly told third parties that they'll never garner sales on Nintendo hardware. Pretend everything is fine, justify the bad decisions.
Nintendo has been taking advantage of their biggest fans for years, and it seems that--at long last--the fans have finally realized this.
haven't they apologized like 3 years in a row now? and how many times have they said they hope to meet gamers expectations? I actually like the presentation part of it that's fine. its lack of Expected content. I'm not jump in ship anytime soon but I am seriously thinking of trading my Wii-U for a New Nintendo 3DS. if it wasn't for Xenoblade that would be happening
"It was not an apology. It was not a statement about the content we're showing, essentially it was an 'I hear you' message."
So it was a "I hear you...but we're not listening. middle finger" message.
Maybe they should pull One of the Dragon Quest games out of their..............Hats! I seriously wanted to post something else but hats will work. its bad guys. really bad. Might well start this RIP Wii-U
@Caryslan I totally agree with you. When I started posting in Nintendo Life a few "gamers" told me I was a hater and a kid and I'm not one nor the other. I started feeling disappointed with Nintendo in the Wii era. Sure, I had an awesome time playing some of its games and I own more than 40 original Wii discs, but that's when Nintendo started to prioritize money over quality. They say it's just a company, so then why should we love them and justify everything they do? Nintendo has always been a company but I think they cared much more for games and gamers before the Wii, except for a few excellent Wii and Wii U games. Besides, if they don't care about quality their loyal fans will start being not so loyal. That's a reality, that is happening. Just check Wii U, Nintendo Land and New Super Mario Bros. U reception.
@Yorumi I agree to some extent ; Nintendo seem to , ironically , only advertise their well known IP. Hopefully , with the reaction to Splatoon that has had some effort put into its marketing , this might improve in the future. I actually saw adverts for it on UK television - and not just on Cartoon Network ! At this point in time , Animal Crossing and Mario Maker are more likely to shift a few systems and make their budgets back than a new Metroid. With Starfox I'm still hopeful. With FZero , I honestly think Nintendo are holding off due to Fast Racing Neo.
@Monkeh well I read the entire board and your post summed it up best. Could be some dark days for Nintendo and its fans coming. I love my 3DS I play it more than anything. But the Wii-U is turning into such a bust im at the point that the Wii should have stayed around another couple years instead of bringing us this thing. in the words of Charles Barkley "That's Turrible!"
**Turns off Nintendo Treehouse day 3** **shakes head**
It's was an apology Reggie, stop digging yourself a deeper whole.
I think I've had my fill of the pouting, anger-filled atmosphere following E3 haha. I'm embarrassed because of the ridiculous reactions. I've had my share of complaining this year as well, true, but as disappointing as it may have been there are plenty of good games to come. An apology from Nintendo isn't really necessary, and we can just consider this year to be nothing special. If people are so against the games shown, don't buy them. deep breath Time to take a break from all this for a while.
@freaksloan
Nobody buys the regular 3DS?
Nintendo's sales figures disagree
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-nintendo-3ds/71051940
It would be interesting to see the general Japanese reaction to E3, more in-depth... It's a Japanese company, so they're going to take what their citizens say more seriously than what gaijins say.
so Reggie thinks that Digital Event was good?
I see a few Nintendo fanboys in the comments damage controlling Nintendo's E3, and don't see why we're upset. Well, there's a few major reasons why we're upset:
1. They gave us the names we want, but not the games we want. (Metroid and Animal Crossing)
2. Only two new Wii U games were announced, and they were crappy spin-off titles that had no place at E3 (Mario Tennis and Animal Crossing).
3. 90% of the Digital Event were games we've been seeing for the past 1 - 2 years. (Xenoblade, Mario Maker, Yoshi, etc.)
4. As stated at #2, there were a few titles that shouldn't have been showcased. They had no place at E3, and should've been shown in a Nintendo Direct. (Happy Home Designer, Animal Crossing, Mario Tennis, etc.)
5. They talked about some of these games for far too long, especially the ones we've already heard about. (Mario Maker and Yoshi)
There's probably a few more, but that's all I can think of at the moment. But yeah, if you thought what Nintendo did on Tuesday was acceptable and are damage controlling it; you're killing Nintendo, and you're the reason why they won't change.
I'm not mad at Nintendo anymore, just disappointed. There was a lot of potential for this E3 and they didn't live up to it.
Nintendo fan or not, there is no denying that the quality of the Digital Event was very poor, especially after last year's and the past few Nintendo Directs, all of which have been top-notch quality.
I am rather mad at Reggie now though. Obviously, the reaction to the Digital Event was so strong that Iwata was forced to acknowledge it, apology or not. Reggie is in full damage control and this statement makes him look like a whining toddler. He needs to grow up.
@Quorthon (post 141) lol Emperor Quorthon "goooooooood, I can feel your anger, your hate has made you powerful"
They should have spent the money used in the production of that video to make a game. Puppets are so 1980. What decade are these guys living in.
@AugustusOxy EXACTLY! The SNES went months after release with only two games at launch. The n64 didn't have any games that weren't one of its two launch games released in na for the entire first year of its life. Nintendo has gotten a LOT better about this crap.
Of course most of the whiners are too young to actually remember these systems.
I'm not sure what's so bad about apologizing. Often, companies seem too afraid to admit to any mistakes.
I read Japanese and that was definitely a "We'll do better next time" tweet. That's about as close as you can get to saying your presentation sucked, or saying your sorry as you can get without actually saying it.
Listen. We get digital events all year long. Nintendo has been spoonfeeding us pretty well as a whole. Yeah, some fans kind of got a shaft this year, but nintendo isnt doing bad, they just should have mentioned something about the nintendo directs are giving us info they could save for e3, but would rather fill us in now.
:3 This is why I don't give into any hype. I create my own by keeping up with news on my own. But then I have to deal with whining babies on all social media platforms and that irritates the crap out of me.
Get over it, you're getting freaking games. Its coming just wait! Like a Poker player NEVER show all the cards in your hand!
@vitalemrecords Love that. That joke is classic and featured at the beginning of Woody Allen's "Annie Hall". I'm coming in way too late just to tell you that.
Yeah, I didn't get the reason behind the statement even if I understood the business sense. There really are some dang good games coming out this year and next, so I don't see why he would need to apologize anyway? Should he apologize for a couple of segments that weren't about games, like where he showed off level design sheets for a game that we all love that might as well be in a museum? That was fascinating. Should he apologize that a company that makes Mario Sports games is making a Mario Sports game, or that a company that mostly makes Mario spinoff games is making a Metroid spinoff game that has received good first impressions? Should he apologize because they didn't have a mainline Metroid game to match the current requests of their most devoted core of fans because they are making a Star Fox game that was started at a time when said fans were asking for a new Star Fox game? I haven't seen any reasons to be angry that I've agreed with.
This year, they covered games that should offer a decent release schedule until next summer. If they don't have a good library to announce at E3 2016 to replace them then I will be concerned and frustrated. Next E3 will probably have information about the future of Nintendo consoles and probably handhelds too, which is a pretty big deal. They may have every reason to keep some of their cards close to their chests for now, so I'm saving my frustration until I see what they have next summer.
@Spectra_Twilight A new proper Animal Crossing game after there's been one on every console since the GameCube = unreachable expectations? I don't think so. (Rest of this comment is not directed at you so don't take it wrong)
But also, people are seriously thinking about leaving Nintendo after one E3? Did you think about leaving Nintendo when the GameCube was behind the competition? How about when the Wii wasn't HD and didn't get third-party games like Batman and Assassin's Creed and instead commonly got shovel ware? How about when the Wii U was announced to not have achievements? I think both sides of the argument are overreacting.
No one needs to yell at anyone for not liking an E3 but those same people shouldn't be like "Wow, there were not many games at this E3. BOYCOTTING THE NX!" Extreme much?
"Mr. Iwata is in Japan and what he's trying to do is help explain to consumers in Japan what's going on at E3"
This the second time I hear this (first time from Iwata himself). If they are talking about gamers (E3 is for gamers, other people don't follow E3) then I am wondering: Is there not a single person in Japan who understands E3 and understands English? Sure this can't be the case?! Or is it just Iwata's never ending need of just explaining everything: "this is a game. It has platforms".
Man, what a load of nonsense!
I'm at a loss for words here.
Two words for you, Nintendo. Two words:
'Managing Expectations'.
@gcunit They did say that for Wii U, at E3 would only show games releasing this year. That sort of is, maybe, I suppose, trying to manage expectation (I'm not saying it is right).
I was disappointed at no VC update and new Club Nintendo replacement news.
Someone else has already said this, but I think next year will be a Zelda Year with the 30th anniversary.
You wait a year to see ZERO new relevant announcements for Wii U (Star Fox was teased last year so it isn't technically new), and maybe two new 3DS titles hardly beyond the "meh" reaction. That was poor. They must come with new stuff before the next E3 so we can have a little more hope for the Wii U.
@Yorumi As an AC fan myself, you have a fair point. I just think both sides of the argument are going to extremes.
Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon, and Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam are pretty much the only excitement I got from E3 as far as new games go. Super Mario Maker looks amazing the more they show it, slightly disappointed with the release date of Xenoblade Chronicles X but oh well at least were getting it. Despite them stating Zelda Wii U wasn't going to be at E3 it still would have been nice to see something.
I think people are not realizing that Nintendo is moving further and further away from E3, especially in this last couple of years. They have Directs that play throughout the year if they don't show it during their E3 Digital Event then their saving it for a future Direct.
Maybe if i'm lucky, Puppet Iwata, Reggie and Miyamoto will come to my house, and give me a signed copy of Metroid Prime: Federation Force, collectors edition indeed yo!
It's all about prefrences. I said this some where else there was nothing wrong with the direct itself. But the games wheren't blockbusters. Many fans of the big N are sometimes really nostalgic. "I hope it going to be a good as (insert previous titles in the series). And that will never change. Examples are remakes. Oh and mertoid prime federation force is a spin-off.
@VanillaLake You still think that now?
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