It seems that the clouds are starting to clear after an E3 day one that was largely full of rancour, disappointment and online fury. By day two the feelings lingered but started to ease off, and my hope is that as E3 heads towards its conclusion - and we all return to something resembling normality - we can reflect on the fact that things are a little better than they seemed. There are plenty of games on the way, not just at retail but on the eShop too, and some of them look marvellous.
My personal disappointment mainly rests on the upcoming Animal Crossing releases on 3DS and Wii U, which seem to be more intent on plugging amiibo than benefiting the franchise, and like many I think Metroid Prime: Federation Force would have been better in not being a Prime game. Unlike the Animal Crossing titles, though, I actually think that Federation Force looks like a relatively enjoyable game; the Treehouse demo on day one showed that it had some neat - albeit simple - puzzle aspects, and it looks like solid fun. When it comes to Next Level Games, I have confidence that the experience itself - disregarding branding - will be entertaining and well constructed.
Moving on from that controversy though, I genuinely believe that there are games worth looking forward to - not many are straight-up A-list smash hits, but nevertheless are experiences that should be worth a playthrough. The infographic below, from that fateful first day of E3, gives an idea of the decent flow of games on the way; it misses out a few notable names, too.
There are reasons to be pleased, I'd suggest, especially once we stop dwelling on the games we want that aren't coming, and simply consider what is actually on the way. Super Mario Maker looks like an outstanding effort, transforming from a promising but so-so app last year into a potentially glorious creative tool at this year's show. Then there's Star Fox Zero - our first impressions are mixed, and I think our man on the ground has made some great observations, but I'm keen to take a punt on it regardless. Even if it's rushed, a little primitive graphically and the ground sections look 'meh', I'm happy to dig into the new entry and see whether it evolves into one of the stronger showcases for the GamePad. That one is definitely an example where I'll let the heart rule the head.
Beyond those I hope that over-exposure to Yoshi's Woolly World won't put many off, as it's a top-notch platformer in its own style, while Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash should be harmless fun just like its predecessors. I absolutely cannot wait for Xenoblade Chronicles X, and let's not forget Devil's Third; though the violent shooter hasn't been shown at E3 - for reasons I plan to tackle once the LA event is done-and-dusted - it's a fascinating release that's on the way in August, with a solid North American date being the only question mark at this stage. Beyond that there are a handful of third-party titles, and we still have The Legend of Zelda coming to Wii U in 2016, as confirmed by Shigeru Miyamoto. [Update: Oh, and Fatal Frame: The Black Haired Shrine Maiden is coming this year, sorry for missing it initially!]
The 3DS retail picture is a little thinner, at least for my tastes, but that's only due to the fact that titles such as Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon and YO-KAI Watch don't appeal to me personally. I'm certainly excited about The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes - especially after reading the first impressions of one of our team in LA - and regular followers of our Treehouse live blog will know that I'm giddy about Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam. As a fan of Awakening I'm also keen on Fire Emblem Fates, and those last two games alone could devour dozens upon dozens of hours of playtime - not to mention Bravely Second End Layer, too. As for Hyrule Warriors Legends? I like the Wii U game but I'm not sure I want to buy it again, but for 3DS owners that missed out that's an excellent reveal.
I've listed quite a few games there, and I haven't even got to the eShop. I'm a tad frustrated that, after launching the excellent Nindies@Home Wii U demo promotion, Nintendo has effectively skipped download games. The question is, why? Some of those demos are for hugely promising games, and for my money FAST Racing NEO absolutely knocked it out of the park on the Treehouse - be sure to catch up with that video in 720p / 60fps. There are a number of titles on the Wii U and 3DS eShop not mentioned at all during E3 that are worth watching, and I've argued in the past that downloads are now a vital part of any Nintendo system library. There are some beauties on the way, including the likes of SteamWorld Heist, The Swindle and various others.
In the coming days we as a site will be writing about the big picture coming out of E3, and it won't all be super-positive, but I just wanted to try to look on the bright side on this final day. The day of Nintendo's Digital Event was hugely wearying for me, as a fan, due to the torrents of discontent. I'm not criticising those that were unhappy, far from it: it's that passion from fans that drives Nintendo, and it needs to be acknowledged, understood and - in most cases if not the most extreme examples - respected. Yet still, the passing of a couple of days has, I think, taken the edge off.
Nintendo's upcoming line-up may be thin for some, depending on gaming preferences, and that ongoing issue of lacking 'triple-A' third-party blockbusters won't go away - but there will be some delightful gaming moments in the next 12 months.
It's fine to be disappointed and to want more - I'm in that boat. But for the sake of variety, and in this last day of E3, I'm going to look on the bright side and get excited about some gems on the way, even if they aren't necessarily all the games I would have asked for this time last week.
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Don't tell me how to feel, website.
I'm still mad...
But no a good Metroid game. Period.
I won't cheer up until the expand Retro Studios, Nintendo Software Technology and Creatures, Inc.
There are some games that I am really looking forward to.
I feel people got their hopes up way too high, almost expecting something unreasonable. It is just a conference where game developers can show some games THEY would like to show. It is not a magical event were fans are in charge.
I don't care anymore. I am still mad and disappointed. I want a management change at Nintendo. All those guys need to go and be replaced by better guys.
Well there is Super Mario Maker and Xenoblade for this year. And only Fire Emblem for the next so far.
Would still need something like Bravely Second to make it good.
@SmoochyTea I expected third-party partnerships. You know, the ones that Nintendo Canada exec teased?
All I got was Skylanders.
That there is a "number" of games coming does not mean they all appeal to everyone, and this E3 still had the problem of featuring zero new AAA-level games for either 3DS or Wii U. There is not much coming to the Wii U or 3DS, particularly compared to literally any other platform.
So yeah, there are lots of games coming out. On the PS4, Xbox One, PC, and of all things, the Vita.
Even Nintendo doesn't give a crap about this release schedule, as they couldn't be bothered to include Devil's Third or Fatal Frame in it at all.
I really wish somebody at Ntinedo would have let TW - or any level-headed indivdual - pre-screen the NDE and they could have figured out some way to not make it suck. The games are the games, I know, but it could have been presented better. Like closing w/ a 5 minute long Zelda U trailer. Or show the fun online multiplayer in the 2 M&S Summer Olympic games. Or at least let people know ACaF is simply a free game to promote amiibo, not a $60 retail release. And show FAST Racing Neo so we can get some good E3 worthy graphics.
The games are the games, but it could have been presented better so we only hated it, not wanted it erased from all of human history.
And for the love of everything, don't start off by saying NX. Why? Why say NX, why?
For those who don't get it - I can be a bit obtuse - Reggie is the Grinch and he is stealing the Christmas tree which represents the Wii U.
My single biggest appointment is I was convinced Nintendo would announce battle arena Mario Kart 8 DLC. I don't know why I convinced myself this, but I definitely believed it.
Remember there will be Nintendo Directs to fill in the gaps. Some of the company's biggest announcements have come out of nowhere (Pokemon X, MajorasMask 3D, New Nintendo 3DS with Xenoblade)
I read the title and thought: "Wow, are they are gonna announce something else!?!" and then I realize is just Tom telling us the the glass is half full of stagnant water...
Try again.
@ThomasBW84
No mention of Fatal Frame good sir!ThomasBW84
@SmoochyTea
"I feel people got their hopes up way too high, almost expecting something unreasonable."
Wanting a true Metroid game or a true Animal Crossing game on Wii U is unreasonable? I'd rather have them not be present at all than exist as the cash in titles they clearly are.
@Quorthon Their treatment of Devil's Third and Fatal Frame is astonishing to me. Not only did they leave them out of the Direct on Tuesday, but also continue to leave them off these release calendar promotional pictures despite being confirmed for this year. Quietly sneaking out trailers on their YouTube channel is not giving these games a fair shot on the biggest stage of the year.
The trailer for FF in particular is outstanding. I'm really looking forward to this game, but it seems like Nintendo is not. At all.
It does seem at this point that Zelda Wii U will be the Skyward Sword of the Wii U, i.e. the final blow-out for the system.
I know we were barely shown new games and some of those are not what most people expected. Does not negate the fact that we will be playing great games like X and Yoshi before the year is done.
And that final Mario part with Miyamoto, Tezuka and Kondo playing music together was truly priceless.
My outlook for Wii U and 3DS in 2016 may be diminished, but my anticipated video game purchasing habits for the next while have not
Now I'm even more furious 😊
I agree, and I said pretty much right after the event was over that I was looking forward to and will buy a lot of what they showed off. It's just not very exciting. It made the whole event kind of pointless. X looks great, Fire Emblem looks great, Yoshi looks great... but we knew all this already. They spent almost an hour telling us about games we already decided to buy.
I strongly disagree that our expectations were too high though. At the end of the day, they want us to hand over our money so they better impress us. It boggles my mind that some people have an attitude of "just be happy with what you're given". The new announcements were all multiplayer games that all have short development cycles and were cheap to make, and that doesn't really paint a good picture. I don't mind a multiplayer Metroid and Zelda to fill out the year, but when that's all they announce, you can understand why people found the whole event disappointing.
And only a fraction of E3 viewers watch Directs, so you can't justify it by saying E3 isn't important. It's very important, as they'll never have this much people watching for the rest of the year. A lot of people watched this, wouldn't have been impressed, and won't pay attention again til next E3. Some of my friends are die hard Nintendo fans and don't even bother with the Directs. Three of them had Splatoon pre-ordered but didn't know about the Global Testfire.
@Quorthon - "Even Nintendo doesn't give a crap about this release schedule, as they couldn't be bothered to include Devil's Third or Fatal Frame in it at all."
Or the Mario and Sonic at the Summer Olympics games, which will be on both systems, we've already seen them, and I'm wiling to wager will be out before Zelda U. Probably before that poorly named SMTxFE game as well.
But I think it's less them caring about the release schedule (b/c you know last years NOA tweet that you disavow turned out to be so accurate) and more they just don't care about the Wii U, as that's where both those games you mention are releasing. SMM they care about, but that's Mario, not Wii U. XCX could have gotten more than a 90 second spot, it even had a date, but hardly any commentary or excitement, the trailer itself was even lame and old. But Starfox got a lot of time, b/c well, Starfox. XCX is a better representation of Wii Us graphical power, and it makes better use of the Gamepad (it was a Treehouse thing some time back, Gamepad usage is good).
It's Wii U that doesn't matter to them.
@Peach64 Excellent post. Totally agree.
Some fans have made it embarrassing to be a fan right now. I mean my gosh, it wasn't there best e3 show, but there is too much good stuff coming to act like they talked bad about your mother. If you don't like Nintendo and what they offer, then play something else. Games are for fun. Not to act like a complete butt hole over when you don't get exactly what you dreamed up of. Life is too short for throwing a little fit over this kind if stuff. You don't have to love what is offered, but try to at least act like am adult over it.
I dont think a lack of 'exciting games on the way' was ever the question, but I guess this editorial should be useful for the drama-prone.
But anyway: I think I'm done with negativity. This was an E3 to forget (at least for us consumers; I hope Nintendo never, ever forgets it), and I'm already tired of being bummed out by it.
Oh, I know that the games a good and all, it's just that what Nintendo did with that nightmare just left a bad taste in my mouth to care at the moment.
@Peach64 Nice post. I wholeheartedly agree.
My main problem is with 3DS line up, the Wii U is "ok" to me because never was great, so I grew up accepting as a fact. I did not bougth any game for Wii U this year and may buy 5 or 6. It's ok and almost great.
But remember 3DS 2 years ago? Man it was on fire! Awakening, Link Between Worlds, Pokémon, and much MUCH more.
I bought 2 games for 3DS this year (Devil Survivor 2 Breaking Record and MH4U) I maybe ending up buying 2 more (Xenoblade 3D and Youkai Watch).It's not ok.
And the worst to me is that we have so few to look foward, 1 or 2 games on 3DS and 2 games on Wii U.
They can at least step-up the Virtual Console. Let's get a lot of those games from the Wii VC converted over, and let's keep getting ones we haven't had before like Earthbound Beginnings. Let's have the games from Square that Japan VC has, plus the TurboGrafx-16 games.
There's just so much that I want to know about that hasn't been mentioned at all. The Club Nintendo successor... We know its coming, but that's it. What the heck is it? We knew we weren't going to hear about Zelda U or NX, doesn't make it less disappointing. Nothing on Devil's 3rd or Fatal Frame... but we get an Animal Crossing amiibo spinoff! (yawn). There's lots of stuff coming, and much of it worth being excited about, but I really think the focused on the wrong things.
Hey what happened to the Mr Tezuka knitting post, it was the highlight of my day so far? It was like The Daily Show's - and now your moment of zen.
It was disappointing given the lack of big releases, spinoffs aren't major releases, but i am stoked for quite a few games. I think StarFox, Zelda, Metroid Prime:FF (which i think does fit in to the universe, and i like the idea of a spinoff) should be really fun. Mario Maker is probably my most anticipated game since a Link between Worlds (as a NES/SNES kid i love throwbacks, Metroid maker would be incredible but i digress). Yoshi should also be terrific and despite the fact i've never been into Yoshi games Good Feel always delivers. Xenoblade to me is the best looking JRPG i've ever seen, and i might actually play it (i rarely play JRPG's). I think what honestly hurt them the most, for me at least, is they've been killing it the last few E3's with surprise releases. Also their major releases were all known beforehand, with no major surprise reveals after establishing an expectation for that the last few years.
@TheWPCTraveler Yeah, that was a total crock. Like the rest of their pre-E3 hype. They just needed to bring some noise with some 2016 games, and they failed miserably. We all knew "Star Fox" was behind schedule being rushed (that was confirmed), and we knew that "Xenoblade", "Yoshi" and "Mario Maker" were finished already and Nintendo was using them to pad the end of the year after pushing "Zelda" back.
My feeling is that as days have passed it is still very worrisome how little they showed and how insensitive they were toward fans expectactions.
By worrisome I mean that there are no announcements for new or significant Wii U games and with the NX coming, it sends a message that they've moved on. And it cannot be argued that they wanted to concentrate on games coming this year or early next year as in the past they've shown games coming a year from E3 and it was still exciting. This definitely sends a message that, apart from Zelda, there's not much coming for Wii U (this is not doom and gloom, this is something anyone can positively feel without being exaggerated.
Finally, they were super insensitive and it shows how out of touch Nintendo is that fans were clamoring for a new Metroid and a new Animal Crossing and they release these party and multiplayer titles that it's proven the majority of the fans don't want. These games should've been shown at a later Direct but not in the Digital Event which had such great expectations.
As many have said, the positive side for me is that for what's left of the year and early 2016, my wallet will be able to take a break
@Sinister I agree. As much as I think that some of them like Miyamoto are geniuses, I think it is time to wipe the slate clean with this new system a d get fresh faces in there. It could only help the company at this point. We aren't making games for the NES or SNES anymore. This is the 21st century lol
Only games I imagine myself buying in the next year and a half from Nintendo are Mario Maker and Wooly World.
The title of the article should read "Cheer Up, There Are Currently Exciting Games to Play". In other words, the current games out now are great and I'm still playing those.
@ThomasBW84
I am a huge Nintendo fan boy, and right now I'm kind of torn. I know there are some good games coming out, and I think the Metroid hate is childish and excessive (although it is frustrating that a new Metroid Prime-style game is not even in development). I still feel very let down by the show, especially after how good last year's was. I think that is what hurts most. Nintendo was on a roll, turning profits, announcing some great new games and IPs, and this extremely lackluster showing was very disheartening.
I am very worried about amiibo as well. I've always seen them as just a cash grab and now I'm very concerned that they will start making them required for games (e.g. Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival) and that is going to create a huge rift in the gaming community. This is a very big deal and we need gaming sites like NintendoLife and the community to express (intelligently) why this is not a good idea.
I was disappointed like everyone else the first day, but even then I really dug quite a few titles. I plan to check out some of the Nindies and that Neo Racing game now looks like a must buy after the Treehouse display.
I think it's important for people to realize that Nintendo isn't the only option for gaming and even though they did drop the ball at E3, if they are a company they want to see continue, then the customers need to support them by buying games. If not, then just let them fall by the wayside. But I can also guarantee that those that want to Nintendo to throw in the towel would be the first to cry that they are gone.
Just be cool and game on. On any system...
@rjejr
I think the reason they're putting so much effort behind XCX is because that game clearly cost a fortune to make. That is a $50,000,000+ game, pretty easily, and had been in development for 3~4 years at least.
What tweet are you referring to?
As a side note, I'd like to add that when we do apologetic aerobics about this E3 by saying "hey, there are still fun games coming," we risk ignoring why it was arguably Nintendo's biggest E3 failure ever.
They are clearly no longer interested in trying to right the Wii U (which I think is impossible anyway, but some effort should at least be made for the sake of consumers) or the 3DS for that matter. I can understand wanting to hold off on NX talk--but only if they also had something to show for the 3DS and Wii U. But since they had nothing else new or impressive to show, then they really should have steered this E3 to the future with NX talk, mobile talk, and discussions on the Club Nintendo replacement.
Yeah, there are some cool games coming, depending on your taste (at this point, I'm down to XCX and Fatal Frame), but that doesn't change the notion that this was an atrocious E3 for a company that once owned these shows, even when they were supporting lesser-selling consoles like the N64 and GameCube. Nintendo's biggest mistake was to even pretend there is still any steam left in the current platforms. They should have just talked about NX and did 3DS and Wii U stuff as secondary features.
The Animal Crossing titles are spin offs and I like the fact that they interact with each other. I don't care what the rest of you think but I can't wait to play them. Yes it sucks that we didn't get a proper Animal Crossing game but who is to say these games won't be good. It wasn't that long ago that New Leaf came out and they are still supporting it. My kids are going to love these games and they are excited for them. I will be getting probably all of the games they announced eventually. Yeah it wasn't the best E3 but it sure wasn't the worst either.
Nintendo has the strongest and most diverse 1st party lineup for 2015 - period.
Yes, it should not have been a Metroid game in name or looks, but simply something else, something new - whatever, let's move on to StarFox. Not much to say here either, PG will do a fine job with the game, given the time and ressources necessary. Thus delay, expand on features, like online, optimize and polish the visuals ... release when done, hopefully within 12 months.
Next, NX announcement next June ... will completely reshuffle the board for Nintendo, whatever it may be in the end! Until then there are plenty of good games to be play and enjoyed, no matter how underwhelming this E3 was at first glance.
I already changed my mind on 2 or 3 gams. GIR#FE looks fantastic I want that more badly than any other WiiU games. The new zelda has online, so it's a must buy for me, and I might even enjoy Federation Forces, as the last couple of minutes on the Treehouse stream looeked quite fun - it depends on the price though ^^
If Starfox ends up getting the care it deserves, it's also a safe bank, if not it also comes down to the price .... and managing my expectations.
All in all, the sun came up, despite Metroid, so all is good
@rjejr I'm still scratching my head on why they wouldn't show something from Devil's third..... The one edgy title coming to Wii U that could diversify it and they give it the cold shoulder.
I could definitely see Devil's Third being one if those games that announces it will also come to Xbox One and PS4. I mean, you would have to be absolutely nuts to make this game only on Wii U.
I envy you the days ahead, filled with glorious adventure!
Yeah but those exciting games kind of die at Christmas I don't like knowing that there is only 2 games (1 I am interested in) that is scheduled for 2016.... a whole two month window and we know 2 games... Also the fact that i went into E3 with the plan to buy 3 games and now out of E3 with the plan to buy... still 3 games and one of them may now be dropped. I don't see any reason to be anymore cheery than I was before even more so that i was basically told my favourite platform is basically come Christmas.
I don't know, that direct man, three Mario games in a row.
Honestly the only company I'm disappointed with is Square Enix. I was really hoping for some Dragon Quest 7 and 8 news or more on Bravely Second. Yes I wasn't blown away by Nintendo but I'm going to wait and see how the game's turn out before I pass judgment.
The problem is I'm a wii u only owner, so the DS stuff may look cool, but doesnt apply to me. I guess star fox and xenoblade chronicles x will work for a lil while. Though indie game companies on wii u have to be excited about this. Fast racing neo looks awesome, so that I can look foward to as well.
@SetupDisk D'oh! I apologise, I may add it in, I knew I'd miss something.
I just wanna know what retro studio is working on.
@Oaf7724 Yeah, as I say in the article there'll be plenty of analysis and consideration on various things when the show finishes. Topics like the Wii U upcoming library and some implications, amiibo etc, and they will be more critical. I only wrote this as an attempt to be positive on the last day of E3
For me, the presentation itself was disappointing, not the games that are coming. Star Fox Zero looks great, Yoshi's Woolly World is a must-have as well as the brilliant Super Mario Maker. Even some games on 3DS like Legend of Zelda: TriForce Heroes and Animal Crossing Happy Home Designer look fun. So I'm not disappointed in the line-up of games coming in the next 8 or 9 months...BUT I was really let down with the Direct itself. 80% of it showed games we already knew about even if they are cool. The few newly announced games we got did not impress me and they could've seriously filled a lot of that space with more interesting stuff or games that do not get their time in the spotlight like Devil's Third. To waste a segment on an Animal Crossing Party game that's not even a retail game is ridiculous. At first I was mad when they revealed Metroid Prime Federation Force but honestly I don't care anymore. I won't be buying the game but it's not the end of the world. So, in the end the E3 presentation ultimately doesn't matter. What matters is we get a bunch of games in the coming months.
@HawkeyeWii
Valhalla may be screwed concerning Devil's Third, depending on how much Nintendo funded it. That may prevent them from releasing on XBO and PS4 and reaching the sales or audience the game might deserve.
@Quorthon It is such a shame to see stuff like this. This is what makes developers think twice before releasing games on a Nintendo system. Think of how much wasted time and effort were put on it, if it doesn't even end up getting released!
@ericwithcheese2 If you look at e3, Nintendo showed games from popular franchises for main media, none of which had more than a T-rating. At least that is what it appears to be to me.
there are some good games coming. I'm looking forward to Xenoblade Wii-U, and Hyrule Warriors 3ds. Mario Maker has made it to my radar due to the E3 coverage but it looks like I will be saving some money between now and Christmas which isn't a bad thing haha. I will buy a few Eshop exclusives that we don't get on cartridge. its going to be a light rest of 2015 for me.
Nintendo has given a fun presentation to watch on a low amount of content. Seems at this point they should just stick the dagger in the Wii-U. darn shame too.
Honestly, I would expect Nintendo to fail at some point. There is only so much tactics that they could create in the situation they were in before it all goes to hell. And right now, it's just one of those failures.
Adulthood has made me realize how terribly childish it is to sperg on things that matter so little to me in the end and it won't make me happy just harping all about the horrible stuff that can happen with Nintendo with what I deal everyday in the hospital because that would utterly affect my work. People are understandably angry and that's fine, but this is just one of the failures that happen.
Remember folks, **** happens, it's part of life. Nintendo isn't going to be great most of the time and it's funny people try to both defend and bury them to the ground.
Hey what can you do? Keeping all those lingering emotions does nothing but make you more sour. What I propose is for people, in typical form, "to just let it go." and just let it take its natural course.
If things end up bad for Nintendo in the end, then like Reggie said, "not my problem".
But if it's good then good.
The presentation was poor, but the Treehouse footage was where it was at in terms of showing off the qualities of many games. Some of them look really great. Nintendo should have taken that into consideration and made a presentation that would lead into the Treehouse footage being their focus. IMHO anyway.
Only one I thought was a total failure was the AC:Amiibo Festival slideshow - that's so lacking that Nintendo are even giving it away for free, guessing that no-one would want to actually purchase. You need amiibo to play that though so not totally free! As it's AC, people will buy the amiibo anyway so quality of the game doesn't really matter and Nintendo seem to have been mindful of that in planning and development!
I am still disappointed and that will not change for sometime.
Not only that, but this PR blitz the suits at Nintendo are going through to make it seem like everything is ok is just not cool...not cool at all...
I still love Nintendo, but I feel cheated.
@nathatruc Amen. Although I read in another article that they are actually creating the new engine for the NX. I feel like Retro Studios is the "I" in team at Nintendo. They are more in touch with the times than Nintendo itself is. They also didn't want to show Retro's project because it is an NX launch window game. I'm calling it now. I mean it makes no sense to release a AAA Retro Studios title on the sinking ship that is the Wii U.
I'm just as puzzled as anyone that fatal frame and devil's third didnt get so much as a nod during the direct. What about more mk8 DLC, or a mention of smash dlc?
i will say i am looking forward to the paper jam mario and luigi game more than i expected. Last 2 M&L games were well done (much better than the last 2 paper mario games). I think the problem with paper mario is that they dont know where to take the game because of M&L games taking the RPG route already. I'd be fine with M&L being the duo, and paper mario being the extended party. this just makes people feel we wont get a proper paper mario for wii u, so i understand the frustration.
also what was all the pre-e3 teasing of a new punch out? that sure didnt seem to pan out.
Two of my three most anticipated Wii U games (Fatal Frame and Devil's Third) didn't make any appearance in the main show, nor in any promotional advertisements since then. Shameful.
@mike_intv Yeah that was clearly the case, but doesn't give them a pass. Other companies were perfectly happy with showing games for all age ranges and ratings. Why not Nintendo? Why not even just a brief trailer for these games in the biggest show of the year?
The reason this is all so frustrating to me is that it would actually be relatively easy to satiate the needy Nintendo fanboys. Seriously. A couple remakes and a translation. How hard would an F-Zero GX remake be? Or a Sunshine remake? For Wii U or 3DS, whatever's easier. And translate Mother 3. If they had done these things, or any two of these things, combined with the weak sauce they already brought, we would all be running naked in the streets in ecstasy.
I hate this idea that Nintendo's fans--who must certainly be the most tolerant and patient in the world--are somehow impossible to please. I've calmed down since Tuesday (I went way over the top), but I'm still very disappointed, frustrated, and just downright pessimistic about what Nintendo is turning itself into. Free or not, AC: amiibo Festival doesn't belong on a console really at all, and sure as hell doesn't warrant inclusion in the Digital Event over Devil's Third and Fatal Frame. Ugh
I definitely could see Nintendo continuing Wii U support after NX is announced, but as a family console. If the Nintendo Direct didn't scream "cute and cuddly" or "family friendly" then you weren't watching lol. Nintendo usually is more family friendly than its competition but this was just ridiculous. No edgy titles shown at all. Nothing above T rating, maybe not even E. Fire Emblem is all I can think of....
Digital Event aside, there are still some great titles on the way, I'm even interested in a few titles that they showed on Tuesday. So I'm not sweating too much, as I'm just going to enjoy the 18-24 months the Wii U has left. The Wii U has had some great games in it's short time and I don't regret my purchase one bit.
That said, part of me wonders if they left Devil's Third and Fatal Frame off because they're saving it for another, special Direct? They're mature games and didn't really fit the theme they were going for this week (whatever that was). Though I have a feeling that the absence of Devil's Third means that it's slipping to sometime in 2016 or beyond. Fatal Frame has a vague Fall date, it may suffer the same fate.
Though @rjejr may be on to something.
@Peach64 You are the voice of reason around here.
Let's see... what am I looking forward to? Yoshi's Woolly World, Bravely Second, Etrian Odyssey Untold 2, Stella Glow, The Legend of Legacy, Senran Kagura 2, Hatsune Miku Project Mirai DX, Rodea the Sky Soldier, Hyrule Warriors Legends, Fire Emblem Fates/If (importing and also getting the NA version), SMTxFE (even if it looks weird so far), the two Animal Crossing things (no, really, I am, even if I'd like the amiibo Festival to be on 3DS instead), Legend of Kay, and the dozen or so other titles I want to import from Japan.
And that's just Nintendo systems. Plenty on my Vita, too. I'm set for games. I may not have been blown away by Nintendo's E3 presentation, but I'm good. Heck, what I've listed is going to be expensive enough.
I hate how Reggie and the Nintendo PR people are trying to treat us like children and insinuate that our expectations were too high and that everything is ok.
I am a PAYING customer in a FREE MARKET SOCIETY and if Nintendo expects me to continue handing them my money, they better deliver the goods!
Mario Maker 9/11 never forget
This was an awful event but games are still coming,so i can't hate anything about that. And with Nintendo not owning what they did wrong is not helping either.
I really hope this last day we get a release date for Devils third for us in America and they show that game and fatal frame on treehouse. They have few games they might as well try to sell us on them.
Meh
Oh please... i'm starting to feel embarassed by all the negative butthurt spread by my fellow "fanboys". E3 was just fine with plenty of surprises and some interesting news. People should just stop acting like Nintendo owes them anything.
I've been amazed at the reaction to this e3, i've always known gamers can be a bit precious but this has been far and away the worst reaction I can recall.
If i'm honest I wasn't overly impressed with this years slate. I thought the actual style of the presentation was excellent, I loved the puppets but the content did leave me wanting.
Starfox looks a bit shabby if i'm honest, if this was going to be their big e3 game for the year i'd have hoped they would pump significant resources into it. As it is currently it does look like it's being developed on a shoestring budget.
The lesser games they have revelaed to look like filler for the release schedule, the metroid title, the animal crossing party game, the fairly un-noteworthy extras in skylanders do leave me thinking there isn't enough quality out there to see us through even the next six months.
However, I also recognise that the wii u has generally been a comercial failure and to pump significant resources into it now would probably be foolish. I'm a little surprised we didnt see more in the way of 3ds games particularly 'new 3ds games' we've got a console that still only has 1 specific game for it which is disapointing.
I think if Wii U was to bow out in the next 12-18 months , I would still be fairly happy with the first party content i've had to play on it, we've had games from many of the major franchises, but I could understand if nintendo had games in development (which they must have imo, too many teams don't appear to be doing anything) that they have decided to shunt to the NX, it might not be fair from a gamera perspective but from a business point of view it's only logical now.
I think Xenoblade and Zelda will be our last 2 blockbusters and even zelda will probably do a twilight princess and launch on both systems.
I'm only pissed about xenoblade x releasing so late in the year. My admittedly humble gaming needs have easily been met by nintendo thru the past few years. I'm not an empty shell because of nintendos e3. If i had 5 years off from gaming i'd be fine
To be honest my biggest disappointments from E3 was X coming out so late this year and no mention of a 1TB at least PS4. If you could just hook up an external it wouldn't be an issue but most of the games I buy now are digital version. I don't like the idea of having to open a brand new system to put in a drive.
But on the other hand the only games I want on it rght now are BloodBourne, Batman(the new one) and Dark Souls 3 which is still being developed. I'm just better off waiting till next year to see if there is a price drop.
I like these editorials and that they are labeled EDITORIALS. Site-runners have every right to express their emotions. I also LOVE Luigi's mansion and what I've played of Super Mario Strikers so evidence that the NEXT LEVEL Games helmed, Federation Force will be a solid and fun multiplayer experience is high. I hope I have hours of fun with it with my nephew. The fact is I am a Nintendo Fan for life.
That being said, I also LOVE gaming and I have a budget. I cannot spend money on things I just WANT to be decent because I want to support Nintendo. I actually took the title Nintendo 3DS Ambassador fairly seriously - that's right - and advocated for the 3DS to young and old alike. But the message itself was strong then - even when the struggling but phenomenal Wii U hit the scene. Now we are truly in the doldrums between an old failed but glorious system and a new nameless one.
My heart belongs to Nintendo, but as I said, I LOVE gaming and I am on a budget. I bought my brother a Wii U at launch and it has seen some true classics released. I have had great fun on the system and have wanted one of my own often, but I never became overwhelmed enough to go out and purchase one for myself.
I truly hoped this E3 would be so awesome that it would just push me over the edge...and it did...but not toward what I had hoped. I will be buying a PS4.
I love Playststion too...but not like I love Nintendo...I'm not a PS troll...really. With the exception of the 16-bit generation - when Sonic lured my 10 year-old-self to the Sega Genesis - I have always owned Nintendo systems and played the others elsewhere. This time though, because I can't afford multiple systems, I just feel that my money will be better spent on experiences I am 99 percent sure will be excellent AND appeal to my personal tastes; Fallout 4, Kingdom Hearts III, Arkham...and a Final Fantasy VII remake!
I will still get Mario and Luigi Paper Jam and at my brother's I will play and be in bliss over Xenoblade Chronicles X and Zelda Wii U but in terms of the quantity of solid, high quality offerings there are more exciting things happening elsewhere for now. And my wallet demands I make wise purchases - not charity ones.
That's what I love Nintendolife, they are always thinking about it positively while at the same time, thinking about the bad things that happened.
Personally, I don't see how this is bad because they announce new games nearly every month.
@ericwithcheese2
Nintendo is essentially guaranteeing low sales of Devil's Third and Fatal Frame, and that will not help them with 3rd parties moving forward. Outside of XCX, their showing was the most "kiddie" ever.
@Sinister I agree, a serious change up needs to happen in Japan HQ. No matter how many times Nintendo fans say it doesn't matter, it does.
E3 is not for the hard-core per-say, it's for the general media who will write articles in news papers for people who have no interest in gaming but maybe their kids do. So these parents would have read the papers the next day about Nintendo failing with the WiiU, Sony doing great with the ps4 and the Xbone having BC with all their 360 games (it's not true, it's only 20 odd games right now but that's what General media will say).
So what I'm saying is, if Nintendo think they are separate from Sony and MS in competition, they they should not be at E3 at all.
Sure we all know what's coming by Xmas, but they sure didn't get that across to the general public of the planet (yes the world watched E3, not just the state's) so no sales for WiiU this year because of that.
I would love to see/hear how Nintendo's stocks looked after Tuesday, bet the boomed.
I'm a little bitter (especially with Metroid and Animal Crossing). But I'm still hyped for Mario Maker, Xenoblase Chronicles, Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon, and more.
@rjejr Concerning XCX: I'm glad it only got a brief mention. They showed way more than enough for me over the last couple years to know I want it day one. All I wanted at this point was a date and I finally got it.
@Quorthon can you not be disappointed and also apologetic at the same time? That's the boat I'm in. By and large I was disappointed with the Digital Event, but some of the games they showed I was genuinely interested in. And obviously interested in the ones they neglected to show. Of course I own a PS4, X1 and PC also, so maybe that's why my mindset is the way it is, not to mention it's painfully obvious Wii U production is winding down.
The only game over the entire course of 2015 that I'm likely to buy for Wii U is Xenoblade Chronicles X. One game.
I don't care how you slice it, that's abysmal. For 3DS it's fine, since it already had a fine run, but Wii U never really got a good library under its belt in my eyes.
@Mk_II
" People should just stop acting like Nintendo owes them anything"
Really? We buy their consoles so we have every right to hope and wish for games in franchises we bought their systems for.
E3 was horrible, and there is no getting around it. We just have to move on and look to the future.
@Stu13 This is a bit preachy, but it does say EDITORIAL. They (journalists) have the right to share feelings too.
Not to mention, currently available games like Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros., and Splatoon are being updated periodically. Nintendo hinted that there will be a third DLC for MK8, while Smash Bros. will have Tourneys in August and YouTube sharing later this year, and Splatoon keeps getting new weapons and stages, and more modes will be available in August.
Despite what people say about Wii U's lifespan being 12-24 months remaining, I can say that It's a great console. If anything, we may see Wii U's last hurrah before 2017, where it may have titles like Zelda U and probably Metroid if Nintendo starts providing human resources to Retro Games.
No thanks, no need to watch at the bright side, that's something you do when there is a dark/bad side and I still fail to really see it ^_^;
The Digital Event lacked, as mentioned, few things like the eShop games and I missed the segment different for each region (I always thought that was the best part of having these videos in place of a conference), but at this E3 Nintendo still managed to show many games I'm looking forward too; I hope the next years they won't forget any piece, but as long as they gonna show me that many games I want to play are coming then I can only be happy ^o^
For anyone mad about the Animal Crossing Amiibo game...
STOP IT. You all begged for a game that used amiibo. Guess what? NINTENDO GAVE YOU A GAME THAT USES AMIIBO. And of course its not a new IP - outside of Splatoon, Nintendo gamers don't buy new IPs because you are all so darn stubborn and won't try new games and genres out.
After sleeping on it, E3 for Nintendo was just fine. Not awesome, but fine. Plenty of games coming out by year's end that I want - more than I have time for. So stop your whining, or go back and buy some of Nintendo's games that were already released on WiiU and 3DS and give them a shot. Or heck, BUY AN INDIE GAME. They are cheap and you might find yourself with some new fun you didn't expect.
@andreoni79 Exactly.
@ThomasBW84
Good point. We need to look on the bright side, as you said there are plenty of things to look forward to as well.
I think Nintendo is just continuing to burn it's core fanbase. And again we are seeing lazy support while they divert their resources to the next console. It's obvious. I just wish for once Nintendo could end a console cycle strong. Even with the Wii, their most successful console, the end of it's life cycle was below average. It's just really hard to see companies like Sony and Microsoft actually working hard to give fans what they want, and then see Nintendo not really even care. I think actually game development at Nintendo is leagues above that of Sony and Microsoft, but I wish there was a balance there.
I thought Fast Racing Neo looked cool too.
SUPER MARIO MAKER & Fire Emblem would be enough for me for the rest of 2015, but I'm happy there will be a few more titles that I'm interested in as well.
@XCWarrior I think the people are angry because we finally get an Animal Crossing game on the WiiU, only to hear it's a game with nothing more than amiibo mini-games. This isn't what the fans wanted, Ditto for Metroid and Zelda.
The thing is, Nintendo should know darn well what the fans want to play by now, and what they've been asking about for years! And when Nintendo still (!) can't deliver on that (especially since the competion actually does give what the fans want AND more), than people have a right to be angry!!!
So if Zelda is coming 2nd half 2016, and in all likelihood so is SMTxFE, then what have we got to play the first half of 2016? And if Nintendo do have titles, why weren't they shown?
Not that it matters to me any more, I've bought a PS4 to pick up the slack.
Although Nintendo disappointed many by announcing an unwanted Metroid game and a baffling Animal Crossing for Wii U, you also have to think about the good news this brings, even though we may criticize the games themselves. At least Nintendo is bringing their old IPs back such as Metroid and Star Fox, and that's exciting news. On top of that, we know that a Metroid game will soon be in development for the NX.
Just like what Nintendolife said, there are still plenty of great games coming out this year even if they weren't exactly what we wanted. I'm hyped for Super Mario Maker, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, and Yoshi's Wolly World. Not all E3s are going to be dead-on perfect, and those that aren't don't ruin everything. It's more of a disappointment then anything, and, hey, life is full of disappointments. I'm not here to say that the Nintendo community should stop being infuriated, but rather to focus on the positives. Admittedly, I'm among the millions of Nintendo fans that were frustrated at Nintendo's Digital Event, but I've moved past that now. Let's just be Nintendo fans and nothing else.
Even though I was disappointed with no new Metroid game and no new Zelda Wii U footage, there are games that I am looking forward to. I can't wait for Fire Emblem Fates, the new Zelda game for 3DS and Hyrule Warriors 3DS (don't own a Wii U). I
Save the pragmatic glass half full commentary. People are upset, let them be upset. It's ok for people to be upset and disappointed.
Overall, E3 was pretty boring this year for all companies. Didn't hear anything buzz worthy from Sony...did they have a press conference? Microsoft's big news was how they turned the XBox One into a 360. And Nintendo announced a bunch of games they had already announced and a couple of spin-offs no one seems geared up about.
I think that the Metroid Prime: Federation Force reaction is silly. It is no different than when they released Metroid Prime: Hunters or Metroid Prime: Pinball. I think it could have helped a little had they announced a new 2.5D Metroid, but after the reception of Other M I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
The same for Star Fox Zero. It is nice to see them attempting something different with it. While I am not wild about the gamepad aiming, it is an interesting idea that I've only seen attempted in X-Wing: Alliance with the Cargo Transports. I also would prefer them to focus on the gameplay over the graphics.
Yoshi's Wooly World (like Kirby's Rainbow Curse) looks very interesting and stylized. Neither are my cup of tea, but I probably will get them and be just as surprised as I was with Capt. Toad and DKC: Tropical Freeze. Nintendo's mastery of the platformer is just unbeaten. The same for Super Mario Maker.
You also have them reaching out into the Mature audience again with Devil's Third and Fatal Frame. This makes the second and third attempt on the Wii U to reach that audience. That is a small step for them that shouldn't be discounted.
Finally there is the DLC plans for Splatoon, Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. While you might not be a fan, they are trying to keep their most popular games fresh by using it. The same with Super Mario Maker.
meh.....
Also I don't get why Xenoblade (the only title I am interested in in 2015 lineup) is so far away in time... since its already out in Japan....
"that ongoing issue of lacking 'triple-A' third-party blockbusters won't go away "
The issue is more the lack of triple A FIRST party blockbusters.after Christmas the wii u is basically just waiting for zelda.
@Evenmoresteven WiiU doesn't need a proper Animal Crossing game. I played the original on GCN, then didn't pick up another version of the game until 3DS. The changes from game to game are so minimal. And in fact the original AC is still the best, because it has like 20 VC titles you can acquire, which was my main motivation for playing it back in the day. And don't forget they got hammered for City Folk for being too samey. That was one of the games showcased in the debacle that was E3 2008. Basically, Nintendo needs to never show a AC game on a console ever again - it spells a doomed E3.
Until they can think of some good new ideas to do with AC, they don't need to make another one period.
@Quorthon - The Nintnedo of America tweet that says "new Wii U games" and has an inforgraphic w/ all the games and dates on it. you always said it was a fake graphic made by a fan so nothing on it was real.
https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/506487150125535235/photo/1
And you missed my point, I don't think they've made ENOUGH of an effort to sell XCX based on how litle time it got in the ND on Tuesday.
from now on it is the poorest line-up ever, till Zelda....
There are, of course, other titles on their way for the Wii U, like:
Mighty No. 9 (looks great)
Legend of Kay (odd one, for sure, but no much known)
Lego Dimensions
Disney Infinity: Star Wars
Sure, I could have stood to hear about there being a Bayonetta 3 or another MK8 DLC in the works, but to think the Wii U is dead, c'mon. Not to mention we've only scratched the surface of GoTY contender, Splatoon . . . .
The strongest conclusion that I walked away with after this year's E3 is that I'm buying an XboxOne sooner than I anticipated. Nintendo is obviously more focused on amiibo then games right now and that is pathetic. Even Star Fox Zero looks half-assed.
Why can't they release the proper Animal Crossing game (that certainly is in development for NX) also along on the Wii U?
Like a double release for both NX and Wii U.
AC is not that demanding of the hardware. Probably because they want us to buy a new console. But many of us won't! Sorry Nintendo.
@bluedogrulez I am sorry to say, but splatoon is far away from being a goty contender.... maybe on multiplayer game or shooter.... but with Bloodborne, The Witcher 3, Batman, Star Wars Battlefront there is absolutely no chance....
There's nothing wrong with being optimistic and sunny, but there's a point where "positive psychology" becomes a pervading and even dangerous concept. It's one thing to take events in stride and make the best of it. It's another thing entirely to disregard negative criticism as merely hindrances to success, rather than being treated as possible clues for problem solving. The ability to think critically requires a balance of positivity and negativity. Too much of one or the other leads to a diminishing of that ability. (Yes, it's possible to be too positive.)
I realize this is becoming a popular tactic amongst corporate groups nowadays. Just realize that most accredited psychologists and psychiatrists don't take "positive psychology" seriously as a constructive force of dealing with problems.
@shigulicious I am glad I own a ps4.... in fact since then my WiiU is mainly collecting dust (only bayonetta 2 cd is permanently into the system)...
I believe the best advert for Sony and Microsoft this year was made by the abysimal Nintendo Conference....
I just don't understand how Nintendo can release a console without one of their legendary titles soon after. No metroid, Zelda coming at the end of the consoles life, and Mario kart and smash were 2 and 3 years in! Sure there was Mario u but that's not exciting. We need excitement.
@Sir_JBizzle - "Though @rjejr may be on to something. "
That sentence reads better without the "to".
What, somebody had to say it.
Well before E3 even started we got some pretty great DLC for Smash and we got Earthbound Beginnings, so I'm not even mad. Give us Mother 3 (or at least tell us it's coming) and all will be forgiven.
I think the holiday lineup is solid, but most of us probably had high expectations. I get bored watching more trailers of Xenoblade X, Mario Maker, and Yoshis Woolly World. I just hope that the NX launch is extremely strong.
I was very disappointed by no new Metroid sequel, but after it was confirmed that it was moved to NX, I was relieved. That being said, I am kinda surprised that there are no news of Project Tresure
@dkxcalibur Fire Emblem is 2016.
@Azooooz Nintendo never hinted towards a third DLC pack for MK8, the "hint" you are thinking of was taking about the already released DLC pack 2.
@Project_Dolphin Why don't you get over yourself and stop pretending that it is not in the best interest of a company to provide games and content that its fans have come to expect and want to buy. It is stupid for any company to sell consoles and then not listen to what the fans want. That is the fastest way to go out of said business. So we are perfectly in the right to be disappointed, angry or anything else. We can take our business elsewhere, and, judging from Wii U's sales numbers, it looks like a ton of people have. It is that simple.
I was kinda disappointed but there's still 5 wii u games I'm really looking forward to this year.
Star fox
SMM
Yoshi WW
Devils third
Fatal frame.
5 games over these next 6 months is good for me. I still need to pick up splatoon.
With Star Fox, I would rather have airtight controls than flashy graphics.
All I saw was "Tom Whitehead looks on the bright side of life" and I was like, "WHAAAAAT?!"
@ericwithcheese2 : With Devil's Third and Fatal Frame, Nintendo not acknowledging them shows they have no clue what they're doing. Combined with the lackluster Digital event, it demonstrates ignorance and disorganization. No wonder former Nintendo fans on other consoles hate Nintendo today. This article demonstrates that turning your head the other way whenever Nintendo does something foolish cannot be the norm. Every loyal Nintendo fan deserves to blast them. They have no respect for their customers anymore.
When people aren't even talking anymore about the lack of 3rd party games, you know Nintendo did something wrong.
@manu0 sure we pass from lack of 3rd party to lack of 1st party....
in other words, they completely screw up...
@Sir_JBizzle - re XCX "to know I want it day one"
Well here's the thing about E3. Lots of people watch lots of online youtube footage for consoles they don't care about. Sony fans watch Microsft, I watched Ubi and EA (regretfully and poor Pele). E3 is about showing games to everyone, not the faithful. I'm ok w/ other Nintnedo Directs being for the fans bc/ nobody is watchign them anyway except us. E3 is about getting PS3 and Xbox360 and Wii owners to buy a Wii U. Show things that will make them want to buy 1. PS3 fans like JRPG, PS3 has not had a ton of great JRPG, XCX alone could sell them on a (reasonably priced) Wii U. Nobody needs to see ACaF.
That's what E3 is for, to convert the other guy. XCX could convert a few Sony fans or even X1 fans, and maybe some Wii owners as well, still 90mil of those w/o a Wii U.
You don't need to see XCX, I don't need to see XCX, but they do. The SKylanders thing at least makes sense, get Wii owners to upgrade, plain and simple (the Wii version is a lie) and maybe some PS3 and Xbox360 owners into Skyalnders. PS4 is at 24mil, Xbox1 at 10, they each sold 80mil last gen so literally millions of those people have't upgraded yet either. (Though after this week a lot of them will.) That's why Sony shows games that are 2 or 3 years out, they want to still be selling consoles all the time. Nintnod wants to sell Wii U for the next 6 months and thats that. That's not how E3 works.
Btw: What was Reggie talking about before E3 when he said there will be games that fans want (WHICH? I'm talking about previously unkown games here.) and games that fans didn't even know they wanted (WHICH???).
I was disappointed with the direct at first. Then I realized that there's still good games on the way. Plus, Smash DLC and Earthbound Beginnings, so I'm happy. Sure, Nintendo's E3 2015 wasn't as big as their E3 2014, but there's still Nintendo Directs in the future where Nintendo could make up for E3 this year.
You folks had your hopes up far too high.
I feel as if I am one of a very few who watched the digital event by Nuntendo with a smile on my face. The puppet show was most delightful and had me grinning from ear to ear. I loved just about every game that Nintendo announced, even if a couple were not what I expected. The biggest let down for me was the release windows for most of these games. I know summer time isn't the best time frame to release games but one sooner than September would have been nice. None-the-less I am super excited about all the titles coming out for Nintendo over the next 8 or 9 months.
@arnoldlayne83 : I watched those Microsoft and Sony conferences and found myself very impressed. What I found hilarious was Microsoft offered up the Rare 30 game package for 30 dollars clearly catering to the Nintendo audience that moved on. And all the games shown looked so good. From Doom, Fallout, the Last Guardian, Tomb Raider, Dreams, NBA Live, and so much more, the variety and heftiness of these lineups are great. I think I may get a new console and I may never look back to Nintendo.
Those are not great games to look forward. Some of them are, of course, Xenoblade and Zelda, yoshi is cute too, and maybe Devil's Third. Star Fox experiment look meh like Command did time ago, and there's nothing more to care for WiiU.
I got PS4 and I know what to expect on the future: Shenmue III, Final Fantasy VII remake, Final Fantasy XV, Kingdom Hearts III, Horizon, Last Guardian, Street Fighter V, Dragon Quest Heroes, One Piece Pirate Warriors, Tales of Berseria... even Uncharted looks awesome. But these are not the only ones... there are tens of great games coming to that system.
Nintendo give us nothing to look forward compared to that list of games. And I hope that Nintendo reall y has many games for WiiU in development, because if they left the WiiU with nothing more to come, this will be the end of the company.
Time ago, they talked to the investors that it was the moment for them to build loyalty with their players. How are they going to do that? The only great thing that made me love more Nintendo lately has been Splatoon. We need more games, we need to keep great franchises coming back from time to time (in the expected way, not the Federation fiasco), but we also need new things!
I must add, that I seriously belieg that the strategy of showing only games that are coming in the close months is a fail. People bought the PS4 on launch because they trusted on the company, they knew that the company will deliver with great games until the end of the gen like they did with Last of Us. That's why they are on the winning road.
Players over the world didn't cared of the WiiU because they knew that it was going to be another Wii, with gimmicks, underpowered and no third party support. Casual players that felt under the wii atraction went years ago to facebook and mobile, and are used now to free to plays. SO NINTENDO RELIES ONLY ON TRUE FANS. IF THEY FAIL TO GIVE US WHAT WE WANT, IF THEY DON'T DELIVER TO US, IF THEY LEFT US WITHOUT GREAT GAMES, THEY'RE DEAD, BECAUSE NO ONE WILL TRUST ON NINTENDO FOR THE NX.
There are some great looking games coming out. I plan on buying maybe 2 or 3 of them in the next year, i.e. Mario Maker and Xenoblade. I think the biggest problem is that E3 focused on a majority of what we've already seen. I know that's been said plenty of times already but it's true. I personally don't watch E3 to see expansions on games I've kept an eye on for months. I watch it for some surprises and news on games that we've heard nothing about. No lofty expectations from me, just some fresh ideas from Nintendo that are within the realm of what fans have been wanting. Maybe it's just me, but I wasn't hoping for surprises like Mario Tennis on Wii U, Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival, or Metroid Federation Force... And after they showed them, I am still largely uninterested. Most of the rest were already shown or mentioned long ago. I completely disagree with the belief that "you're being an immature whiner if you don't sit down and take what's given to you". I was disappointed by what I was shown, and there's nothing wrong with that. As a result, I'll stick to my word and only buy the very few games I actually cared about, and ignore the rest. Simple.
@rjejr true. But did we forget that they've shown XCX at E3 for the past few years now? And even dedicated a whole what? 1-2 hour Treehouse segment to it last year? I'd say the public has seen enough. All that's needed is a quick 90 second blurb and a release date. Marketing and commercials will take care of the rest. If they plan on a marketing push being it's their big holiday game, I can't see why they wouldn't.
@Pokefanmum82 I'm really excited for the Animal Crossing games too. I've played every AC game since the GameCube, so I don't mind a shakeup on the formula for a change.
Also, in the Treehouse live stream yesterday, Sam mentioned that Amiibo Festival was only part of the Wii U game, and they were hoping to reveal more soon. It would be awesome if it ends up being just a mini game portion of a full AC Wii U game.
I had good reason to be upset Tuesday, as I'm probably as big a Metroid fan as anyone on this site. And you know what? I think I'm over it. Federation Force looks fun, Metroid branding or no. But aside from that, why was I upset? It was because of my expectations. Yeah. We all had sky-high expectations, and Nintendo didn't meet them.
Yes, there were some things that could have been better. There was too much time spent on amiibo, and ending with that Mario montage, as cute as it would have been in another context, is a weak way to end your E3 broadcast. And honestly, Nintendo probably should have known the reaction they'd get to Federation Force being announced in that way, without an accompanying console game, and come up with some other way to reveal it. But the biggest reason for the disappointment, I think, is that we all expected Nintendo to deliver heaven and earth, and they gave us an event that was merely good.
I bl**dy well will not cheer up!
lol
Sure, there are some great games on the way. But PR-wise, Nintendo failed again... miserably.
It's like they still don't realise what E3 is really about. You need to wow the crowd. The problem is... Nintendo doesn't think they have to. Or even worse, they think they have wow'ed the crowd.
Sure, I'm going to cheer up. Time to save money and buy a PS4. I'm glad my favorite system is still the 3DS, there's plenty of games coming to it from now to 2016.
What I have for my Wii U? Like 3 relevant games, and two of them don't even have a release date? This is a joke to all people who supported this piece of s* hardware. Seriously.
Yep, even as an exclusive 3DS owner, there is plenty of games that I'm looking at. There won't be drought for me so that's good. Still disappointed that there's no strong title at E3.
"it needs to be acknowledged, understood and - in most cases if not the most extreme examples - respected."
This right here. The frustration this year is so palpable because one of our big complaints about Nintendo (as much as we love them) is that we perceive them to be tone deaf on several issues that are important to us as loyal consumers, whether it's region locking, the eShop, Metroid, whatever. Their PR skills are often questionable. Let's hope they really try and understand what this outburst means and act on it, and TELL us they're acting on it beyond half-apologies that are then redacted anyway.
@Cyberbotv2 #133 exactly. And believe me or not, since I started the gen with WiiU and then moved to ps4 last august, already now you will get a great line-up of titles, and every possible game type is greatly represented. I am having so much fun jumping between sports game, racing, fighting, action adventures, gdr, co-op games.... you also get platformers and great selections of indie retro style. If you were stick to this site, you would think that there is nothing there except grey shooters.... I can tell you, since last year, the only ones I played were Destiny (mediocre, but with the multiplayer I got many friends online) and Far Cry 4 which is excellent (and definitely not grey). In the meantime, I played lenghtly masterpieces like Bloodborne (which is one of the best game of the decade for me), Dragon Age (a great wrpg), the Witcher 3, The last of us and I am currently sink into Dark Souls 2... you get everything, you get services and voice chat, a huge fanbase not at all only made of teenage-cryers and the certainty that the developers won't leave the ship, till its last day....
@Project_Dolphin We don't have the right to access the games produced by gaming companies. That's a privilege. What we DO have the right for is to express our intentions of possible dissent when events go awry. For expressed dissent to be considered invalid, while only expressed support or silence is considered valid, would be bordering on tyranny.
@ThomasBW84
Just to clarify Thomas (that was a nice write up btw). Most of us aren't upset about the games that are coming, most are thrilled for them actually (except for Animal Crossing and Metroid of course). However, we were thrilled for them last year too. 90% of what they showed was old news.
We are upset because of the clear fact that Nintendo is done with the Wii U. Especially since they dug their heels in last year, really committing themselves to the console, only to have completely reversed their positions entirely. The Wii U will be dead by the end of 2016. At least for me, that's why I am upset with their terrible showing.
@tanasten I agree totally and... good choice!
You won't be disappointed by the pool of games there is and there will be
I know that 2015 will be a great year, with great games. I'm just genuinely worried that 2016 lineup will prove what many are thinking; that Nintendo is ditching the Wii U and moving everything else to the NX.
@MoonKnight7 Agreed. After enjoying such a long lifespan with PS3 and having owned a Wii U for just 7 months I'll be more reticent about investing in NX (whatever it is).
I don't see "standard New 3DS for North America" on that timeline anywhere, so... no, still disappointed and extraordinarily unhappy with Nintendo of America.
@arnoldlayne83 : That sounds most tempting. A few months ago, I almost made the plunge, but this time around I'm not going to miss out on these games anymore. Bloodborne's that good?
@Quorthon I don't know about the Wii U, but with the 3DS we can at least look forward to some localisation announcements in future Directs for games like Rhythm Heaven, Etrian Odyssey V, and maybe Final Fantasy Explorers.
Speaking of localizations, I think E3 confirms my suspicions that Fire Emblem Fates and Bravely Second aren't coming to the west until 2016 due to Xenoblade.
@MoonKnight7 : That's the best way to sum it up.
@rjejr
I never said it was a fake graphic, I questioned it's feasibility and it didn't seem to come from Nintendo themselves, and no, it was not accurate. Which... you should have noticed.
Yoshi's Woolly World: 1st Half 2015 - wrong
Mario Maker: 1st Half 2015 - wrong
Project Giant Robot: 1st Half 2015 - wrong. Missing in action.
Kirby and the Rainbow Curse: 2015 - I'm amazed as you they got it in that 12-month window.
Project Guard: 2015 - Missing in action.
Zelda: 2015 - Super wrong.
StarFox: 2015 - We'll see. I put up comparison pictures of it in the Mixed Feelings article, and it totally looks like a Wii game, and sounds woefully incomplete. At this point, I would not be surprised at all if it slipped into 2016--as literally every other Nintendo title but the launch games has been delayed, gratuitously delayed, or appeared well after expected release dates.
It turns out this graphic did come from Nintendo, but I was overwhelmingly right to call it's goals into question. Almost everything for 2015 has been wrong, except for Splatoon and the stupidly vague "Kirby and the Rainbow Curse" which may as well have been listed as "will appear on a day ending in Y."
@Project_Dolphin "They don't need to listen, but they damn well better listen if they don't want to be ostracized."
@Cyberbotv2 I could simply answer "it got 92 on metacritic"... but I tell you, if you like difficut but honest games, good lore, dark athmosphere and a fast paced combat system, you are gonna like it. It is a bit like bayonetta combat but far more tactical and hard. Plus you got rpg mechanics (loots, character personalization in stats), a lenghty 40 h main campaign plus random generated dungeons, PvE and PvP.... I finished the game after sweating hard last week, I am already sink into new game+ and in the meantime I am enjoying the dungeon crawler part alone or with some friendos.... for me, is the Goty 2015. Check some gameplay and some guides.... but it is a must for any PS4 owner...
I'm looking forward to Disney Infinity 3.0 and Star Wars Battlefront! Even if I play this on PS4.
@arnoldlayne83 : I'm not a fan of review scores but your breakdown was great. Thank you. I am sold.
@Quorthon
"Zelda: 2015 - Super wrong"
Ha! Amen. It should read "Super NX wrong"
I think my takeaway from all of the Nintendo angst that I've read is they just aren't catering to their customers needs enough.
I'll always appreciate that they want to innovate and create something fun before they pour resources into developing a new game since it's very costly and spin-offs are important as well, but my pizza place still sells cheese pizza, and my ice cream place still sells vanilla ice cream. Sometimes people want the same from there gaming as well. If people want Metroid give em Metroid, if they want Animal Crossing/Zelda/Mario you need to keep these things on the menu.
Everyone bought a new console clamoring for staple franchise games and we are still missing too many.
What would cheer me up about this is if Nintendo learned from one of their long time competitors. Even Sony has now acknowledged the viability of crowd funding with Shenmue III. The game just would have never gotten a chance otherwise, and that is an increasing trend in this industry. Perhaps it is Nintendo's turn.
Take some of your projects to a place like Kickstarter. I guarantee you that if you show off an F-Zero, a Kid Icarus, or even a Metroid on there... Guess what? It WILL get funded. You're lacking resources? You better believe that there are enough fans out there who will deliver the goods in a heartbeat, if that's what it takes nowadays to get those projects going.
@MoonKnight7 Oh yeah, I know and appreciate that. I'll be getting to topics like the Wii U support etc in the usual way shortly, I just wrote this today to try and lighten the mood.
The digital event itself was awesome and the puppet sections were super funny. The content announced there was the dissapointing part. Why the heck they spend almost ten minutes in such an important video showcase talking abou Yoshi's Wolly World when the game is coming in less than two weeks in Europe. Such a waste of time IMO (but the section was cute though) And also the amount of time they spend talking about how they developed the level 1-1 in Super Mario Bros instead of announcing more exciting stuff such as Fatal Frame localized or the fact that Star Fox is being co-developed by Platinum Games. Stuff like that was the reason most fans (me included) end up with an empty feeling once thee Digital Event finished and now just look at the results, all the dislikes on Youtube and the amount of people watching the Treehouse stream is looooow as hell. Last year they had around 10 to 15k people watching the stream everyday on Youtube at least, and just yesterday there was only 4k. Especially during the Chibi-Robo section it was below 4k, almost 3,500 only This clearly shows how bad the Digital Event was received.
@Sir_JBizzle - "Marketing and commercials will take care of the rest. If they plan on a marketing push being it's their big holiday game, I can't see why they wouldn't."
B/c um Nintendo? Do you really see this game getting ANY marketing at all? I only see SMM and maybe Yoshi's Wooly World as their big holiday games. Remember last year when SSBU came out right before the holiday and they bundled it w/ the Wii U? No, that's b/c they bundled MK8 instead.
I predict this will get less marketing than Hyrule Warriors and slightly more than Bayonetta 2, if that. 2 Wii U exclusives that probably could have helped get them a few more Wii U sales if they only made the effort.
XCX will be lucky to sell as well as W101 at this rate.
@ThomasBW84
I appreciate the effort. I really do, but there's just too many clouds, sadly. :/
Thanks for trying anyway, they are always good reads.
@Quorthon - "I never said it was a fake graphic, I questioned it's feasibility and it didn't seem to come from Nintendo themselves"
Isn't saying it didn't come from Nintendo the same thing as it being fake?
And I know all those dates are wrong, thats the point. If it didn't come from Ninteod then the dates being wrong woudln't matter.
Sorry, I've tried to look positively at all the upcoming games, but I'm finding it harder and harder to call any of them "exciting".
@rjejr
Eh, maybe. Semantics.
My initial red flag on that list was Projects Guard and Giant Robot appearing as "upcoming games" when nothing like that was even stated at last year's E3, and Miyamoto had spent time talking about how they might become part of StarFox. Indeed, the only things said about those "titles" was that they were tech demos to show off the GamePad. That was it. That was the whole reason they were created.
Coming from someone or somewhere else, it made sense that they would just throw any old announcement in there to pad it. What I didn't expect was that Nintendo would be the ones to so half-assedly pad the list. Which only serves to make last year's E3 look worse.
And here we are. Not only have neither of these "games" been shown in any other form, but one of them is supposed to be out already.
@ThomasBW84
I would dare argue that Nintendo fans need to face this disappointment. This is a fanbase that has allowed this company to take advantage of them for far too long with things like constant flip-flopping on issues, information, and goals; releasing endless waves of limited edition 3DS systems to be resold to the same people over and over, and the destructive nature of how they address things like Amiibo.
Nintendo fans have been too apologetic, too forgiving, and too eager to be pleased (as opposed to Nintendo being eager to do the pleasing) for far too long. This attitude is not helping the company grow or evolve in meaningful ways. They know they can continue to take advantage of the goodwill of their dedicated fans.
For everyone's own good here, Nintendo needs to know they failed, and Nintendo fans need to have their fantasy image of the company shattered. Too many people too willing to live with pretty lies. That benefits no one.
It's time to accept a harsh reality, and unfortunately, I think articles like this, rather than damage control, maintain the lie.
This E3 was a telling disaster for Nintendo. We should be learning from it. Not pretending everything is okay.
Sorry to rant. But I don't criticize this company because I hate Nintendo. I criticize because I'm tired of seeing them continue down this destructive path.
I finally agree with @Quorthon. Nintendo's arrogance is catching up with them. Compared to Playstation and Xbox, Nintendo appears to not really give a hoot about its fans and milks the extremely loyal ones like crazy.
Here's an exciting looking game for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e97FgfJh-xY
12 mins of Face Racing Neo direct feed.
Looks sweet
@Quorthon - "Projects Guard and Giant Robot"
What I'm more surprised about is that either of those was even mentioned, I can't recall where, but 1 of them was mentioned at E3 as still being in development. I think it was robot.
Nope, guard:
http://kotaku.com/everything-we-know-about-nintendos-experimental-new-sta-1711733204
robot was in the financial report in May.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/05/project_giant_robot_will_be_out_sooner_than_you_probably_expect
Hey @damo - any sign of Project robot at E3? You said it would be out by end of June. You wrote it, gotta own it jk, I never blame the messenger
Sure there are Arkham Knight, Star Wars Battlefront and, oh wait, you mean from Nintendo. Uh, I guess with X, Star Fox and Yoshi but not for a while. Mario Maker looks fun but what about the other games they don't care about. What are their names again, uh Devil's something and something Frame.
I don't have a Wii U, but for 3DS I am looking forward to the following games that we know about:
Zelda Tri-Force Heroes
Mario and Luigi : Paper Jam
Chibi Robo : Zip Lash
Fire Emblem Fates
Bravely Second
Etrian Odyssey Untold 2
Steam World Heist
Mighty No.9
Monster Hunter Stories
There are other games that I have as "Wait and See" including Federation Force, Stella Glow and that other Atlus RPG whose name I cannot remember right now.
3DS has more games coming than I have time to play.
However, the only game on my list that I consider to be AAA, must have it on day one is Fire Emblem Fates. I think that is the same problem that most people have with Nintendo's showing at this E3. Lots of good games but very few games that would cause me to be over the moon with excitement.
@Ryno - You buy Splatoon yet?
I'm a big fan of Spaltoon, but the last few days have not helped my mood of trying to talk anybody into buying a Wii U. Maybe NX will get a complete port.
Yes, there are games coming but there are barely any we want. Nearly all their games were multiplayer renditions of Nintendo classics like Metroid Prime and Animal Crossing. The previously tense and dramatic Metroid has become a fun and jovial romp with generic robots while AC has gone from a laid back experience with personality filled animals to a party game that (as most people say Mario Party does) may "ruin friendships."
Not that I have anything personal against these games as they may be great in their own right, it just could barely be considered an effort from Nintendo.
Theres 11 retail games in total for the wii u between now and the end of the year, No matter how good the games thats a terrible line up.
Thats not even mentioning that 5 of those games REQUIRE you to buy plastics toys for them to function.
Not a good year to look forward to at all even if there are a few good games, It just isnt enough.
@rjejr: First off, Are we "Wii U friends?" If not we should be. Back to your question. No I haven't. Maybe I will get it as a late birthday present or father's day gift then I will keep it. Will see by this weekend. Part of me does want it, but honestly seeing how the Wii U days are numbered and my disdain for Nintendo right now has me leaning towards never. Hopefully the Splatoon NX DX will be cross gen compatible so those who bought the Wii U version can enjoy the game for some time. How much is the amiibo 3 pack gong for on eBay these days anyway?
@Kirk best looking WiiU game at E3 right there
@Ryno - No, I don't think either of us could ever type "Mii freinds" w/ a straight face. My NNID is bobmrik
My Target had a few of those 3 packs but I'm glad I ddin't buy them, they unlock challenging things, and I don't do challenging. I'm certainly not going to pay Ntinedo for it. If I want a challenge I'll try totype Nitnedo correctly.
Still pretty cloudy IMO.
@CamWFC91 I think that might be the problem. Nintendo announces their biggest stuff in their own terms now and that leaves them little to talk about come e3. The smash stuff and the earthbound announcement would have jazzed up the e3 digital event, for instance. Or of the smtxfe trailer had been premiered here it would have been something to talk about.
They simply don't seem to want to play the game everyone else is playing.
The issue is not the content - Nintendo truly has some really great games coming - the problem, as usual with Nintendo, is their marketing of those games.
How are gamers meant to know about games like Devil's Third, Fatal Frame and FAST Racing Neo if Nintendo doesn't even feature them in their E3 Digital Event? I get that Nintendo is focused on family friendly entertainment but not highlighting games like Devil's Third and Fatal Frame in their E3 Direct is a huge disservice to both gamers and the developers of those games and the result is that it makes their lineup look increddibly one-dimensional.
Nintendo need to realize that nowadays, there are just as many (if not more) adults playing games and by not showcasing their more mature games they are pigeonholing themselves. Sony seems to have no problem with showcasing games like Rachet and Clank alongside games like Call of Duty - you don't necessarily have to linger on the violent aspects of the latter in an E3 Direct...
Their marketing deficiencies are also the reason why gamers completely misinterpreted some of the content they did show. How are we to know that Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival is more than just a spin on Mario Party 10? How are we know that the game is a free download that requires Amiibo to play? If they don't show/tell us this it is no wonder that gamers jump to conclusions. Another example is completely failing to tell gamers that Star Fox: Zero is being developed by Platinum Games. Yet another example is Metroid Prime: Federation Force - the presentation of this game in their direct was terrible.
Nintendo needs to seriously rethink their approach to marketing their games - the fans know it and so too third party publishers.
don't try to do damage control for Nintendo,
E3 sucked. Nintendo needs to up their game significantly.
But the lineup? Yep, that looks awesome. The no surprises part of e3 sucks, but the lineup is great nonetheless.
Even when you ignore the fact that the games I want, the very games I play Nintendo consoles for, aren't coming and at this point probably never will (No Metroid Prime 4 or Mario collectathon is a huge disappointment), most of these games aren't remotely appealing to me. Nintendo has all but stopped appealing to me, I'm not going to give them the time of day until they stop making games that are lazy cash ins.
The problem for me was that there was nothing new to get exited about , sure I'm gonna grab Yoshis WW and Fatal Frame, Xenoblade, Devils Third and Star Foxas well as a few eshop games I'm interested in. The thing is there is nothing new to get exited about. Everything I'm exited about I already knew about from last years E3 or Directs.... I was hoping for a real Animal Crossing for Wii U, a Metroid (prime or otherwise) for Wii U and maybe more Mario Kart , Smash Bros. and Splatoon DLC . I wanted to see more Zelda footage... They say it's about showing immediate release games at E3 but a lot of the games that were shown at last years E3 aren't even out yet . And where all the big Third party partnerships that Reggie mentioned ? All this makes me question if development is full steam fo NX.
I'm a huge Nintendo fan and there's plenty I'm looking forward to but... There was pretty much nothing at all shown this year to make me feel Nintendo even cares about the Wii U anymore past 2015
Still some good games coming up, but I'm sad at the small amount of A-list big games.
Federation force should come as no surprise to people who have been paying attention. Nintendo had been saying for a long time now they wanted to take liberties with the metroid universe. I think the game looks fun like a cross between Splatoon and monster hunter.
@ericwithcheese2 they also curiously missed Mario/Sonic Olympics, Rodea sky soldier, devils third and mighty no 9!!
They make no sense to me at all!!
Quality isn't the problem. Quantity is. Some of these games we have been waiting for for over 2 years and it's not exactly broad. It's a very thin lineup for the next 9 or so months.
I think this is more about competition. PS4 and Xbone had some great announcements and Nintendo didn't really. All stuff we knew or aren't that excited about yet. Some of it was even a bit disappointing-- like Star Fox. Some of that is because of high expectations, but some of that is because the other companies delivered a powerful performance. Can't help but compare and when we do Nintendo comes up lacking.
Two games I'm really excited about are Devil's Third and Rodea the Sky Soldier. I wish Nintendo would embrace them!
I'm good! I don't let little unimportant things effect me. Much more important stuff going on in the world to worry about. Nintendo is my escape from the real world.
I think it is a generational thing, people now a days think they are owed things, and if they don't get it. The stomp their feet and throw a tantrum.
Nintendo makes a system I want I buy it. If they make a game I want I buy it. If not then I don't it is that simple.
I saw a lot of things from Nintendo I plan on buying.
@coolaggro I honestly saw nothing I want from Sony or Microsoft.
I didn't read all 200 comments, but the Animal Crossing 3DS game looks more like a Sims game to me. Depending on everything you can do, it might be interesting. I don't want the Animal Crossing board game, but since I hear it's a free download I'll probably look into it. I mean, I do want me a Totakeke amiibo...
@arnoldlayne83: so how are you enjoying Battlefront? Not out yet? Mid-November? Really? So no idea if it's a glitchy mess? Thanks, I'll keep enjoying what I have rather than yearning for what I don't.
It sounds like people set their expectations too high. I don't know why they did. Nintendo gave no indication of a new 3D Mario game, Metroid Prime 4, Paper Mario on Wii U, a usual Animal Crossing game on Wii U, or any other surprise announcements. So why did people assume this would happen? I went into to this E3 with zero expectation and no hype for anything. I came away pleased with new trailers for games that I will be getting. Nintendo already said that Zelda U would not be shown at this year's E3.
In time...
Its not like european owners should cheer up as most of these games will be released in 2016 whilst others get it in Autumn (fall) Winter (Holiday) of 2015. Pokemon is 2016, triforce heroes will most likely be halfway 2016. Why can American and European games be simultaneously released both regionlocked to their appropriate countries, theyre both English!
@Stu13 You're my favorite.
@andreoni79 I take you didn't catch the "editorial" part. I came into this article shaking my head in disappointment.
Finally some optimism! It's been nothing but doom and gloom ever since that E3 presentation!
no ,the lineup is pretty thick.
Xenoblade Chronicles X
Yoshi's Woolly World
Super Mario Maker
That's $180 bucks.
What's thin is the wallet
@Sinister I feel the same... It's sad really, all the wind has been taken out of Nintendos sails... No wii U install base means less great games... And Nintendo is phoning it in with star fox... So so disappointed the shoehorning in of gyro control and thein the absolute lack ofa new updated graphics
@BonafideInfidel Spot on. It's a lack of communication that is bad. Nintendo's old guard are great but at the same time they may also be holding the company back. The mobile games division should have been done a long time ago, the Universal theme park too. Look at the recent video game-centric movies that show love for Nintendo. The YouTube love that Nintendo slapped in the face with their policies. I can get behind most of these games but don't just throw Federation Forces up there and not address the elephant in the room (or in this case not in the room with no Samus in sight).
Mobile Games are the death of the Industry...
Wow...so much pessimism in this comments section. I'm not going to act like this year's E3 was a resounding success for us fans. It wasn't. Nintendo looks like they've perverted their own franchises to go mainstream, but like another user said in this section: E3 isn't only for us, it's to convert as many consumers over to the Wii U and 3DS as possible.
For many, the Wii U gamepad was nothing more than an accessory or useless gimmick. Now with the confirmed release of Super Mario Maker, consumers who're interested in the title and want to buy it will now know for a fact that they can't just stick with the Wii any longer. They will be FORCED to buy the Wii U if they WANT Super Mario Maker.
Now, as far as the fans are concerned I can't, nor will I speak for anyone when I say Nintendo always comes up with a way to make their fans happy one way or another. Have a little faith. I always have, and still do.
@Danrenfroe2016 I don't think even half the stuff that you said, in that comment, had facts... that was almost as bad as the things that the people on the Nintendo Twitch chat-boards were saying during the Treehouse event.
Well E3 is over and apparently most people didn't like what they saw. I'm not going to worry Xenoblade X is coming and for me will probably be game of the year and well worth the wait. Yoshi's yarn looks like it will please Yoshi fans. Its not my kind of game but I thought it looked awesome. Hyrule Warriors 3DS is coming and I'm excited as hell for that. Now let's talk Metroid Federation.....At first I was like what the heck! But after watching a full hour on the treehouse on day 3 I'm buying in hope my friends will buy so we can play online co-op. Its an awesome game with probably the wrong title but who cares its looked great. I also love the idea of a multiplayer Zelda game I'm glad Nintendo is taking a chance on that. If it doesn't work out they can go back to the regular formula which they wouldiI'm sure. Yep E 3 is over and really I think there are some great games on the way. Most of what we are getting are exclusive games and other systems won't be getting those. Just like we won't be getting some of theirs. I was a little dismayed with what I was watching the first 2 days myself. But than I sat and thought about it and really its going to be just fine. Indie devs have some great Eshop titles coming and even though Star Fox is catching some flack I would be willing to bet fans will be in heaven when that comes out. Lastly don't forget Mario Maker its going to be great fun making courses and uploading them to see if the worlds best can work their way through what you made. So rest easy everyone. Its going to be OK. Nintendo will still be bringing us fun games along with its IndiePartners. I think good times are on the way you just be patient and wait as Nintendo will say soon. Peace onto your gaming!
The way i look at it is simple:-
6th month of the year now and by March 2016, we are getting Xenoblade, Mario Maker, Fatal Frame, Devils Third, NEO Racing and Starfox. If I buy these five games for the Wii U retail and Fast Racing NEO I will have enough over the months to keep me busy. Splatoon is also pretty amazing and would have a great life over the coming months.
After watching the Treehouse stuff on Starfox, I was surprised it didn't look as poor as the trailers! It could be great fun, so I will hold out in general and expect a purchase if platinum put something really fun into the game.
@Mooj738 very well said mooj. Its going to be fine. Xenoblade is going to be so amazing we will forget about E3 about that time. Its going to be a grand Christmas as it usually is with Nintendo. And like you said, there will plenty to play.
You know what's funny? What turned me around on this show was the hour they showed of Metroid Federation for 3ds. The game looks incredible. So it might have the wrong name! It looks like a lot of fun. I'm buying that.
Keep it all in perspective people. Nintendo isn't here to wreck your gaming experiences. They are here to make it a good one and make you smile. Just like Sony and Microsoft. So take it easy and when the good times roll, let them roll. peace unto your Gaming!
Now when more days pass I braved to read this editorial. Mr Whitehead should write on the largest publications. Well written, thought out and reasoned piece. I am disappointed but will keep on gaming with my Wii U and PC. They do their best and sometimes we love it (splatoon, mario kart dlc) And sometimes we don't (prime ff and AC abomination). Im now officially over my angry stage, slowly descending into NX waiting period.
Thanks for this piece. It helped me defuse.... until I opened the eShop on 3DS this morning and saw the prices they want for Link Between Worlds and Mario Tennis Open in the "sale". My mistake.
Here's the big upside to Nintendo's Event: six of those Wii U games are coming out THIS YEAR. Sony dropped a couple bombshells with FFVII Remake and Shenmue III, but those games are still in early development, and they're years off yet. Plus, neither one is a PS4 exclusive, Nintendo chose to focus on games that will be in your hands in a matter of months, to let people know, hey, you don't have to wait for these games to come out to buy a Wii U. You can get these games immediately.
The problem with Nintendo's event was that we were all expecting some big surprises, and rightfully so, I think. But the games shown off are all still very, very good.
Now that I'm over E3, I'm getting more and more excited by Star Fox.
@Dr_Corndog : I guess that's a positive way to look at this. But there is no confirmation of a Devil's Third in NA at all. I wish they would date that.
@Williaint my thoughts are based off the fact that the wii u install base is pretty small. they have a non existent third party support, except for games that they pay for exclusives. also they have all but written off the Wii U as they are certainly going to make the Zelda game a wii u and NX game. they have done this several times now and it is super annoying in my not so humble opinion it is time for new leadership at Nintendo. I just really wish Nintendo had gone with a traditional console, instead of the Wii u game pad. Nintendo needs to enter the arms race next go around.
My game of E3:
Yarny
So let me get this straight:
Nintendo announced an Animal Crossing for Wii U, but it wasn't Animal Crossing.
They announced a new Metroid Prime, but it wasn't Metroid Prime.
They announced a new Paper Mario game, but it isn't really Paper Mario.
They announced a new Zelda game, but it isn't really Zelda.
And suddenly everything is fine with their lineup? Like @Quorthon said, it doesn't do any good to pretend this E3 was anything less than a catastrophe. We need to take this horrendous E3 and learn from it. In particular, we have to come to grips with the fact that this is how Nintendo handles a console with pitiful sales, and we should be cautious about being so quick to adopt a Nintendo console in the future.
I bought a Wii U about a month after launch back in 2012, and almost immediately regretted it after nearly a year of virtually nothing coming out for it. All this, coupled with this pathetic E3, has taught me to not adopt the NX at all until 2-3 years after launch, when Nintendo has proven to me they want to sustain it and care about making a steady stream of games available on their system. And if they can't prove to me those things, they don't get my money. Period.
They've got a tremendous hill to climb with the NX. I think it's more likely that it'll fail than succeed, especially after this alienating E3, and with Iwata saying to TIME that it'll "revolutionize the way people play games" (or something to that effect). The last thing this market needs is more gimmicky consoles. Personally, I'd actually be interested in seeing what happens to Nintendo if the NX fails. A third party Nintendo, at least in my opinion, would be a stronger Nintendo.
@Quorthon
As I have stated before, Nintendo, for whatever reason, shied away from M-rated games this e3.
Maybe it was to differentiate itself. (Sony made a big splash with CoD. MS with Halo).
Maybe it is because e3 is more a general media event and it could put Nintendo in a bad light. (After all, innocent things like Picto-chat have been been called child-molester tools by Fox News).
Maybe it was because the emphasis on M-rated games didn't work too well at launch (WiiU had more M-rated games available at launch than PS4 or XB1).
And maybe it knows what will sell and what won't — regardless of the push. (Bayonetta 2 sold worse than the original did on either console).
But if Nintendo is so bad — why is EA imitating it (e.g., Yarny).
Look, anyone looking at it could say the Digital Event was "meh." And anyone knows the company has its issues. But just like one person said (who was so reviled on these boards for saying it), posters here are not the majority of the audience.
@Ryno LOL if you mean by hoodwinking shenmue fans by having them fork out dosh for development even with the backing of Sony as "catering to the fans", then I sincerely wish you remove your nostalgia tinted glasses.
@FlaygletheBagel Yup that's pretty much the gist of it. I thought most of the software especially Xenoblade looked great. People are all bothered about Metroid Federation, but if you sit down and watch it for a while it really grows on you. Yeah it may have the wrong name on it to preserve its nostalgic status but I thought it looked great. I totally understand your frustration with the Wii-U, I feel pretty much the same way with my Netflix player (Wii-U) its just doesn't get much play. Once we beat Hyrule warriors it became our main Netflix player. That sucks! We can't do anything about it though until Xenoblade comes out which is where my moneys going. I'm not a big fan of Yoshi games but that Yoshi Yarn looked awesome. I just don't think all is lost with this E3. The people at Nintendo poor their hearts and souls into these shows and I'm a sure at work everyday. Their not out to provide us with a bad time in gaming. I will admit they have been in a funk for about 4 years now which is probably hard as hell to explain away. I wish I could work for Nintendo somehow but I don't live close enough. If I did live near them I sure would try. I wouldn't care if they gave me a job as a janitor in the building I'd take it. I just hope the NX will bring them out in front of the pack again.
@FlaygletheBagel Paper mario is Paper mario rpg, just not on Wii U. Zelda is like any zelda on handheld, different from home console ones.
@arnoldlayne83
What the hell are you even comparing this to? E3 may have been a disappointment for a lot of people but the hyperbole or very short term memory is getting out of hand.
People need to stop acting so upset about the direct. Like, seriously, it's a video game event; even if Nintendo didn't wow you, if that was your biggest disappointment this week, I'd say it was a pretty good one. It's not the end of the world.
My issue is how clear they are making it that they no longer care about the wii u... it's hard then to not feel burned. The console isn't even three years old yet! Metroid is probably a next gen console game now.... reggie going on about how they'll talk about NX next year... the lack luster wii u lineup for the holiday, let alone afterwards... Beyond that they didn't even elaborate on their path forward with regard to the new loyalty program. I also find it sad how they lag so far behind Microsoft and Sony with their eShop system... cross-buy and multiple machine downloads under one login would be nice, it is 2015 ya know...
Mario Maker (and in a smaller capacity, Wooly World) were the only things out of E3 (across all platforms) that remotely appealed to me...probably just getting older and set in my ways/bored with modern gaming (compared to games from my/our past)...
I still don't know what to make of it. But its only fitting I post this gif because its how I still feel about that whole E3
Was hoping to see more new ZeldaU footage
@mike_intv
I think it's because of Nintendo's long-standing problem that they simply have no idea how to sell or promote M-rated games, so they basically doom each and every one of them prior to and after launch. Same with Geist, Eternal Darkness, Bayonetta 2, etc. They have no idea how to promote these and are clearly afraid that they'll sully their kiddie image if they do. So they talk about them for a bit--like they did with Bayonetta 2--show them off a bit, and then when it comes time to release them or moving closer to release, they just flat-out drop the ball.
They could've had a much stronger holiday season last year if Bayonetta 2 had been a pack-in. If they had bothered to promote it once it was released.
Nintendo is too concerned about the kids and not concerned enough about actually selling their wares. They aren't smart enough to cover both bases.
And why wouldn't EA deliver their own yarn game? The chances of it outselling Yoshi are pretty damn good, considering it will actually be multi-platform. Who cares if EA has their own yarn game?
@FlaygletheBagel
I fully agree at this point. Nintendo as a third party developer and publisher would be far stronger, and I'm willing to bet that when their mobile games launch, they'll be raking in the dough, and they'll start seeing this as well.
Nintendo has shown that their games will sell if the hardware is popular enough--as the gimmicky Wii and DS sold on fads and hot at-the-time trends. Nintendo's games sold. But outside of those obvious flukes, people do not want Nintendo's hardware. They want the games, and if they can't have the games elsewhere, then they just aren't going to bother. And that is precisely what we're seeing now.
No matter what, Zelda U would sell better if it was on XBO and PS4 (or even just PS4) than if it ends up only on Wii U. But given Nintendo's history and the increasing rate at which they are putting the same games on multiple pieces of hardware, Zelda U is practically guaranteed to be a multi-platform game--as in, it'll also appear on NX, if not move there completely.
sadly, i think I am over NINTENDO, Burned by WiiU, I cannot take a chance on there next console.
@Quorthon Nintendo going third party makes no business sense. Sony and Microsoft are more likely to go software only than Nintendo. They are currently selling watered down PCs ; if they could protect against piracy adequately they would already be selling their software on PC only , DRM'd up to the hilt. Why would Nintendo write off the profits they make on their hardware ? Why would they half the profits of their software ? They would have to sell , roughly , twice as many copies as they do now for the same profit. Do you think they would sell enough copies of Mario Party , Kirby , Yoshi , Captain Toad et al on PS4 to make the same profit ? Of course they wouldn't. The odd game like Zelda might sell more , but the majority wouldn't. In every realm of business profit is king , except in gaming according to fanboys like you. Then it's about how many units sold. Until Nintendo sell the most. Then it doesn't count because of gimmicks , or it's a fluke. Or it was only bought by casuals and grandmas. When the Playstation and XBOX brands make the same profit over a sustained period of time as Nintendo has , then you might have a case for Nintendo going 3rd party.
Nintendo might be creating a new problem for itself. Without a strong catalogue of games in the Wii U's final year or two, more and more owners will be buying a PS4 or Xbox One. I have three young boys, and the oldest, age eight, badly wants an Xbone. If he gets one for Christmas, it means its highly unlikely our house will be getting an NX the following year. Most games consoles have strong 3rd party support to take them through the system's final year, a period where those developers are also pushing the hardware and there is a glut of games before the older system is abandoned. None of this happening for Nintendo, and I fear it might hurt the next system launch.
@AbsolutSnake Lol. I remember that episode!
I too think the big picture looks much better after watching a lot of Treehouse Live @E3 coverage. However, I really think it's sad they didn't highlight games like Devil's Third and Fatal Frame during the Digital Event but because of their mature content didn't fit with the muppet theme.
What gets me is that I agree with you, the content is there for the most part, however, where Nintendo really failed to show that is during the event that most people watch, the Digital Event. It goes to show that the press conferences are still important, from a press coverage standpoint, and whether Nintendo decides to go viral with theirs it still is crucial to get it right.
I feel like they had an idea for the Digital Event and forced the content to fit around that, instead of fitting the event around the content. I also think they should have included details about the program replacing Club Nintendo and show us why we should get excited for features that will bring.
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