Reggie Fils-Aime has - as we observed during E3 - the propensity to talk a load of old PR guff at times, which to be fair is part of his job. His annual LA interviews conducted with Kotaku do occasionally get beyond copy-and-pasted standard responses, however, making the latest publication an interesting read.
First up we've picked out some of the Nintendo of America President's comments regarding Metroid Prime: Federation Force, which prompted an extraordinarily negative reaction when it was announced. Fils-Aime made a comparison that we made in our editorial during E3, highlighting that fans weren't exactly delighted by their first look at The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker either.
Here's what I would state: we know what our fans want. We will also push the envelope in developing something that we know is high-quality and that we know will deliver in the marketplace. The best example I can give you of this, and I think you will appreciate it, is Legend of Zelda Wind Waker. Remember when that art style was first shown. The uproar from the Zelda community was intensely negative. If there had been social media then, there probably would have been a petition to make that game go away.
...So, the game is developed, becomes one of the most beloved games of all time, one of the most highly-rated games of all time, so I use that example to say: 'We know what we're doing, trust us, play the game and then we can have a conversation.
Continuing on the theme of understanding fan desires, Fils-Aime provided further re-assurance that a dedicated Samus Aran title is on the radar within Nintendo.
Look, we know that the fans want a straight Samus Aran game. We also know that the best way to launch a game like that is to surprise and delight them, to give them a launch date, in an environment like this let them play it vs. what other companies do which is to announce a project that you may not see for five, six years. It's just not the way we do things. We know the community wants to see a straight-up Metroid game. We know it.
On amiibo, Fils-Aime does go into a little more of an auto-pilot mode in his responses, reiterating a continued focus on improving supply to meet demand, even if results aren't immediately obvious in many cases on the ground. He acknowledges Nintendo's culpability, while also highlighting the role that retailer can play in tackling scalpers.
You don't sell through a million units by constraining supply. And, honestly, there is no business in disappointing your consumer. The mentality that suggests we are somehow constricting supply is rubbish. We want every consumer to be satisfied. We want every Amiibo player out there to be a completionist and have every single one. We're working hard to get the supply into stores.
...The flipper, you have to put them off to the side. This is a consumer who thinks these are like gold. We're focused on the everyday consumer, and we want that consumer to be completely satisifed. In the end, though, the retailer manages how they execute a pre-sale or how they make the product available. We certainly give suggestions and guidance. The retailer is making that call. And, again, to separate, when there's a supply issue, that's Nintendo's fault. but in terms of managing a pre-sale process, that's something that each individual retailer controls.
The full interview is certainly worth checking out at the link below, but in the meantime let us know what you think of Fils-Aime's comments around Metroid Prime: Federation Force and amiibo. In terms of the former, do you think that its eventual release and gameplay will shift perceptions away from the announcement backlash?
[source kotaku.com]
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The Wind Waker comparison is only appropriate if your only complaint with Federation Force is the art style. But not gameplay. Wind Waker kept the sense of exploration and dungeons that people love the Zelda games for.
Federation Force, as confirmed by the director himself, is not focused on the exploration and isolation that Metroid is known for. It's focused on action and the ball game. So it's hardly an appropriate comparison, Reggie. Nice try, though.
That being said, I look forward to Federation Force. I think it will be a fun game. Just a really bad Metroid game. Like Nuts and Bolts was to Banjo Kazooie.
Hold on a second... lemme channel the raging nerd that inhabits every comment section...
ahem
"Well Reggie, if you KNOW we want a new Metroid with Samus, then why didn't we GET one? Instead we get Federation FART? Nintendoomed!1!!1!"
So a new Metroid being shown for wii u and or nx at next year's e3?
I agree with the comments about Metroid to an extent. I've rather they show us something even if it's early builds of a proper Metroid game. In the mean time I'll be happy with Federation.
What I'm not buying is the Amiibo story yet again. All I really want is one fire emblem character if not all of them for Code Name Steam. You are not reaching me Reggie as I've yet to even see one and when they do ship all the stores get are one. Not satisfied in the least with that.
>we know what our fans want.
Lies, if they knew, they would deliver the game.
But
>play the game and then we can have a conversation.
Yes, this is how it should be. I remember people criticizing games here before the even came out.
Ugh actions speak louder than words Reggie. If you know what we want,then why don't you make the damn game?
There is still a single player mode. The multiplayer footage might bring in a new audience.
I mean I understand people aren't happy and want a new metroid, I do too. But what the hell is cancelling federation force going to do?!? I'd rather have something that could possibly add to the metroid universe and storyline and play that than have a big hissy fit and cancel everything altogether lol.
Sure the similarity to wind waker is there but at least that was a main series game that hasn't been in a series on hiatus for forever.
Wind waker isn't some deformed looking side game. Majoras mask was released just a year before wind waker' announcement so at least then we knew the series was constant. It's been 5 years since other m, and as for f-zero it's been almost 11
As for amiibo, maybe stop making millions of stupid gold and silver amiibo and resume production of the rare ones
i love this guy!!! i keep on sayin' that MFF would have been totally embrace by the community if it had been announced alongside a new metroid prime for WiiU,... and if you read between the lines, next year is happy anniversary sammy, so "they know what we want and they like to surprise us", wink wink... maybe i'm crazy, but i have faith again, tx reggie!!
I do appreciate the somewhat candid answers from Reggie. I wish we'd gotten more of that during E3. I'm still disappointed with Federation Force--more for how it was revealed than the game itself--but I'm hopeful it will turn out to be a good game.
His point with the amiibo situation is valid. However, although I don't think Nintendo is intentionally constricting supply, that's what they'll be doing in effect if they continue to release new lines of amiibo before they can satisfy the demand for the old.
That still doesn't answer the question of why they haven't even started working on a proper Metroid game in the first place, which is the main problem here.
They know people want a proper Metroid game...
They know people want Super Mario Galaxy 3...
They know people want a new F-Zero game...
They know people want a new EarthBound game...
This leaves us with one of two options. One: Either they know what we want and are being deliberately difficult because reasons, OR two: the NX is going to get one helluva launch lineup...
Somehow these commets made by Reggie give me a relief and hope that Nintendo will make a proper Metroid game. Just, not for Wii u, thats for sure.
@Jese_1
Nintendo: "uhhh, we choose answer number 3, luigi Galaxy rerelease, f-zero Wii fit crossover, and earthbound demake"
This is indefensible, sadly. I know that Reggie is doing what he can to defend Nintendo, of course.
@WaveBoy
Best picture ever made
Reggie the PR man.
I like to remind people that NoA doesn't do any developing at this moment, nor can Reggie greenlight games "like that".
All Reggie can do/does is be the head rep for Nintendo in the US, and our bridge to NoJ. He can suggest sure, but that's all he can really do.
Right now, he's in damage control mode trying to kill the (immature) rioting and relieve the fans' worries with whatever he's allowed to say atm.
Also, knowing what we want != actually getting it.
Keep that in mind.
Interesting read. I still can't believe how people reacted over Federation Force. It isn't like they talked about your mother. You see a short trailer and suddenly realize Nintendo is doomed. Find something more important to worry about. It's not supposed to be like the other Metroid games.
For the record, I just wanted to say I'm publicly bashing Metroid Prime Federation Force before I've had a chance to play it, lol
Clearly we need to kickstart a new Metroid game. With blackjack!
There's a problem with what message Nintendo will get as to the sales of Federation Force. If everyone boycotts it and it sells poorly, Nintendo may shirk back and never touch Metroid again. On the other hand, if it sells well, Nintendo may green light more of these deformed side games for other dormant series like F-Zero.
He said that he wouldn't announce it unless it was nearing completion. He is practically confirming a real Metroid.
We should all be happy that Nintendo atleast takes good care with their IP no matter what the situation be. Sure there are some exceptions but they atleast aren't like SEGA making bad games over and over again.
Nintendo: WE are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams
It would be more believable if he said 'from now on, Nintendo is going to treat E3 differently and only show titles coming out in the next 12 months'. Don't try and make out like you've always done it that way when there are contradictions going back years.
Also, if the new Nintendo really doesn't talk about stuff until it's almost ready and they're going to be talking about NX year...
I would not buy a game, that I feel will not like me. So, no Reggie; instead, do a good Metroid game, and then, we can talk.
I like how he tries to lay the blame on the retailers. I've seen pretty much all of the amiibo barcodes/racks/names in stores but you know what, those racks were empty. A retailer can't stock shelves if they have no product. It's a supply/manufacturing issue, but nice try Reggie.
And yet again, the Wind Waker comparison. smh
@ZeroZX-Dev And that's sort of a big problem with Nintendo's business structure. NoA and NoE don't really get to have any say in game development, they're just localization and marketing machines. The only Western dev studios they have are Retro and Next Level, everything else is decided by Japan. And it's pretty clear that NoJ either doesn't know what we want or doesn't care. They really need to expand NoA and NoE so they can actually work on their own games, that would solve a lot of their problems, they'd have developers that would understand Western gaming and actually appeal to them (with Nintendo sensibilities of course) and they'd have development studios that could actually work on neglected IP like Metroid and F-Zero.
@S-Miyahon I think it has been stated that a new Metroid could possibly come early in the NX's lifespan.
I have my doubts that Metroid Prime Federation Force will be up there with the main Metroid Prime series, but it will probably come out better than Metroid Prime Hunters. Anyway, there's enough time between now and the game release for people to calm down and give the game a fair try.
I wouldn't mind some hype for games that are over 6-months off, just to assure fans that the Wii U will be getting some major releases aside from the upcoming Zelda game.
With Amiibo, I'm still waiting for Nintendo to give some indication of how they'll be handling it. As more Amiibo are announced and more games are given features that you can only unlock with specific and rare Amiibo, I don't see an end of in site for the frustrated collected. It seems like Nintendo is just stretching things even thinner rather than meeting the demand for items that already exist.
@EngieBengie
Toon Link's expression in your avatar says it all!
@bezerker99
No Conan, only the people doing the "PR".
@Jese_1 Sorry but I don't think a new Earthbound game will be happening anytime soon. I think Nintendo will make a new Ice Climbers before they make a new Earthbound.
I'm guessing we'll get Mother 3 localized at some point though.😃
@bezerker99 No, more likely they're just being xenophobes stuck in the 90's and doing anything short of actually taking to heart what Western gamers want to desperately survive.
Not really sure if comparing Federation Force to Wind Waker is a good comparison. Yeah, people didn't like the art style, but we didn't have to wait five years after the previous Zelda game just to get a spin-off. Still, gonna have to agree with him on "Play the game and then we can have a conversation". As for the amiibos, to be fair, the stores do share some of the blame by having pre-orders go up at times that are inconveniant for everyone or not putting a limit on how many you can get (Gamestop is working on it, and Amazon is doing this, but stores like Target don't to my knowledge). Those are all stuff that Nintendo has no control over. Granted, they're still at fault over the lack of stock and deciding that they should make amiibos exclusive to certain stores (speaking of which, that bullcrap better end with the next wave! >).
@bezerker99 Awesome video! Anyone who hasn't watched it should.
Even though I'm not too excited with Nintendo's strategy of holding off on announcing games that are still a ways off, I'm not sure if I understand all the hype from the Final Fantasy VII remake where there wasn't so much as a screenshot to show and no release date in sight.(Although with how long people have been waiting for the announcement alone, I can see some reason for celebration.) I wouldn't mind a happy medium between these extremes. I'm sure Nintendo at least had some videos and screenshots they could have teased just to back up their claims of commitment to the Wii U.
Did they put Hyrule soldiers in the place of Link, and have it focused on multiplayer with Wind Waker? Did they take out the sense of adventure and puzzle solving in Wind Waker? No. Bad comparison.
Also, GIVE US MOTHER 3 PLZ! Is there really that much work to be done? They did it for Mother.
It is as @Operative mentioned. People need to stop making the Wind Waker reference here, because it is not comparable. Wind Waker was a true Zelda game, it simply had a different outward appearance than past titles. Federation Force is not even close to being a true Metroid game, or even a Metroid: Hunters sequel or spiritual successor. This upcoming title is related in name only. Therein lies the problem- either the game needs to be different, or the name needs to be different.
Wind Waker was an ACTUAL game being developed, Metroid Prime 4 is nothing right now. People don't hate the game Federation Force because of the gameplay or art style they hate it because it's not Metroid Prime 4. And based on the average Nintendo development time we won't have Metroid Prime 4 for a good 2-3 years...maybe even longer.
@Mona-Reggie
Or they will make more federation force styled games with other IPs and people will be unhappy.
Now that Reggie has used the same absolutely rubbish argument as a random guy I saw in YouTube, meaning comparing WW to Federation Force, he has lost the last bits of credibility I gave him.
Though the receptions may have been initially negative for both, WW's artstyle had plenty going for it to prove gamers wrong in due time, because it was an artstyle brimming with personality, color and charm that did not look cheap whatsoever - just different than the norm for Zelda graphics and thus hard to accept from the get-go for the fans when the popular tendency was towards more 'mature' looks, aka what we got with Twilight Princess afterwards.
Federation Force on the other hand looks bland as hell, with next to no detail or textures on anything whatsoever, and again it looks worse than Hunters on their previous generation's console. I don't even mean just the horribly unfitting 'chibi' character designs here, but everything from the backgrounds to the monsters. Every second of it screams quickly developed sub-product and merely solid pew-pew gameplay is not going to make up for the fact that the sole act of looking at it is an exercise in dullness.
Besides, that kind of artstyle will always much sooner fit Zelda than it will Metroid. Zelda games have always been adventures with a light tone to them and varying degrees of happy-go-lucky, be it overall or together with a more serious storyline. Metroid on the other hand is a franchise that's always been known for being quite gritty and mellow in a consistent basis, with no time spent on humorous antics or silly-looking NPCs, so bringing us now a whole galactic force comprised of bobbleheads in robots is as subtle a change as a kick in the teeth.
The problem isn't even that Samus is not on it, or at least it is not the main issue for me. The problem is that everything else about this is not doing the universe's build-up any favors and I feel no interest in discovering any of it because I can't take it seriously, which, guess what, is something I need to be able to do with a Metroid and no level of ''transformation'' should destroy that.
@Jese_1 It takes a long time for a proper metroid game especially if it's for a home console, they have bigger things to worry about then smg3 like a possible sequel to rerelease of sms, they already tried to have a new f-zero game made by going to the people who made burnout and need for speed series in 2011 to be made for the wii u but they denied to because they said they had to much on their plate, and you should know they can't control earthbound that much so at most you should be hoping for a translation of mother 3 instead of a new one especially since the person who made them has already stated a long time ago he does not want to make another game in that series anymore.
I like that Nintendo doesn't talk about or show things that are years away like everyone else does. Too many games have incredible trailers then disappear into the ether. What is the point of CD Projekt Red showing Steampunk 2077 when that project is years away? Hype like that is fleeting and makes for good short term buzz but that's about it.
Eh, Metroid Prime Federation Force looks like a decent game, I can't see it being a huge success but would fill the gap for 3DS lack of FPS. I have faith for Next Level Games, they have talent and hopefully people will give this title a second chance/look.
Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival in the other hand though... but at least it is a free game as far as I know, so in the end, not that bad either. Just hope their next direct will show us something good.
"...we know what our fans want."
Sorry Reggie, based on this years E3 lineup I really don't think Nintendo knows what we want. And if they actually do, they've been ignoring us for some time.
Alright, so when people sit down and play this game, then find out the obvious... (not a Metroid title, dual stick or pen stylus mechanics don't work as well as Hunters with thumb stylus, main activities are generic sci-fi blah blah, multiplayer online lags due to outdated wireless limitations unless you modded your receiver, the 3D won't be as well utilized for spatial recognition as it could be, amiibo will be relegated to DLC gating features off, Blast Ball isn't the main focus in development so it will be good sideshow for a few weeks at most, etc etc)
Will they actually learn from this experience? Or are we going to end up with another conversation like this when the inevitable Metroid spin off phone game comes out to link up with the NX?
@Mona-Reggie Out of complete curiosity I want to see this F-Zero Wii Fit crossover...
@jjmesa16 @edgedino I have EarthBound and EarthBound Beginnings both sitting on my Wii U, but haven't played either of them yet so I'm neither here nor there about a new one. Whilst there are a lot of games that I'd love to see either get a remake (Luigi's Mansion) or a sequel (Pikmin 4), I really don't see the point in getting as upset as some people have over this year's E3. Could it have been better? Of course it could have. Has Nintendo's bad E3 thrown the Earth out of its orbit or caused all the women to become barren? No, so it's really not a crisis.
As much as I love playing with my Wii U, I think Nintendo has really disappointed a lot of their fans with this year's E3. Before the Wii U was released, I thought it had a lot of potential since it was Nintendo's first HD console. I imagined an open world Mario game, a new Metroid, and a F-Zero with beautiful HD graphics could be released. Even though we already have really great first party games but from what I saw from Nintendo's latest E3, I think Nintendo instead of using the Wii U in full potential, it looks like maybe next year could be the final year for the Wii U.
@DarthNocturnal IMost of us have seen the 30-40 minute play sessions with people at the Tree House.
"Here's what I would state: we know what our fans want"
So then you choose to ignore them? Got it.
I'm glad for Federation Force and I hope it expands the Metroid universe in ways that benefit future games. However, I don't think they should have used the Prime branding. Metroid Chibi Federation Force could have been a fresh start for the series.
Just noticed the pink sweatshirt. They went all out for the muppet segments.
I read this and then I connect it to the fact that Nintendo wanted a launch F-Zero for the Wii U only to have it fall apart (with who knows what else). I will give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt that they both know we want a Metroid and are trying to give us a Metroid. Sometimes things don't work out as intended.
At least Wind Waker was still Zelda, all it had was a different art style. Federation Farce doesn't even have the Metroid series' main character for god's sake. It just sounds like a bad comparison to me.
People want an actual Metroid game, a "main series" one so to speak, not this spin-off garbage that doesn't even give Metroid vibes, the only Metroid thing about it is the name plastered onto it.
Give people an actual Metroid game, be it a new 2D classic styled Metroid (like the first ones) or a Prime game that at least, y'know, has Samus. The former for 3DS and the latter for Wii U would've been perfect, but instead they choose to shoot themselves in the foot with this trash.
Seriously, if you know what fans want, why give them something absolutely different from it? This isn't the Metroid people know and like.
As a matter of fact, a ton of things in this E3 are things no one wanted. You can't ignore what fans clamor for and give them something completely different because you think we'll just suck it up and like it anyway. That's just selfish and counterproductive as far as business goes. If they gave us what we wanted we would be excited and we'd be getting all these games, yet look at how E3 did the complete opposite.
"Look, we know that the fans want a straight Samus Aran game"
Then make one, you idiot.
This is not a Wind Waker situation. Though he's right that people were not crazy about the graphical style in the beginning, the fans at least knew that Wind Waker was going to be an actual Zelda game. The same is not true about Federation Force.
@LinkSword Amen to that.
Why is Nintendo shifting the blame so much all of a sudden? First Miyamoto going "people didn't understand the WiiU", and now Reggie's "retailers sell amiibos, we just produce them" cop-out. This is a bad sign, and I hope it doesn't evolve into a bad habit.
@Operative Pretty much agreed - except that I won't try Federation Force...
@LinkSword I may have to quote your sentiments occasionally, because you perfectly put into words what I spent too much time elaborating on! I thank you!
Please understand.
Reggie... you're such a tool...
The arrogance of this man... Goodbye Nintendo.
I believe despite how charming are Reggie and Iwata, they are awful at their job... They business decisions just disappoint people... How dare you to not bring the small 3ds to America???, how dare you to launch a new console with an awful name, and with a resistive touchscreen, and tell people that virtual reality is not fun and not social enough... AWFUL
@BinaryFragger What do you mean? That's all that's left as far as Nintendo fans that want home consoles! (in all seriousness, most people can get their "Nintendo fix" from the handhelds - it was true of the GBA then, and true of the 3DS now)
I really want Federation Force. I love the Metroid Prime gameplay, and the multiplayer experiences of Prime Hunters. As a Monster Hunter fan, I thought it was really cool to see everybody working together to take down a boss in Federation Force. So I personally hope this will be a warm and worthy addition to the hardcore multiplayer collection on my New XL. Don't get it twisted. I want a real return of Samus (Yes I just did. Hehe.) I'd like to see Metroid 2 get a "Link Between Worlds / Zero Mission" makeover, and a bone crushing Prime for Wii U. I'd like all of those MORE. But! I'll be honest. I'd be upset if they cancelled Federation Force. I want to play it.
"We know what we're doing, trust us, play the game and then we can have a conversation."
This is getting back into Father Knows Best territory.
I bet they have started work on a new Metroid game and I do not want them to even mention the game until they are ready. Nintendo are in a unique position in the videogame industry in that where other companies work to deadlines, they only release games when they are ready. Nintendo fans do have the least faith out of all the Big 3 but Nintendo nearly always delivers a quality product. It just takes them a while longer. I have faith in them. Shame a lot of 'fans' don't.
Damage Control Mode...ACTIVATE!
@Mr_Zurkon Honestly, that's kind of what has killed a lot of the hype for Xenoblade and similar games that Nintendo has shown us for three years now.
Fils-Aime makes me laugh. He always gets annoyed and semi-defensive when someone asks him real questions.
@Bolt_Strike Counterpoint: If Nintendo only cared about the Japanese market, Zelda would have died off a long time ago, or would be a rarely seen franchise like Metroid. Xenoblade also wouldn't be getting a new entry.
Well the only comparison I can see with Federation Force and Wind Waker is that both game were frowned upon before everyone had a chance to play it (WW gameplay would be easy for kids) and that it was different from its predecessor. Wish they would of left the "Prime" name out of it but I guess that is a stamp for any 1st person Metroid game, like "New Super" is for any modern side scrolling platform Mario game.
As for the amiibo, it would be rather dumb to hold back supply to create a large demand when a lot of buyers don't even need that incentive. Heck the ones that sells out the fastest are the ones that are used in the least amount of games or adds the least (minus Fire Emblem amiibo).
BTW Wii Fit Trainer is showing up in Gamestop stores, so that something.
Would be nice if stores like Target and Best Buy have the same shelf space that the other 2 toys to life have. They will need it if they plan to reach all the customers who wants them all that is not within the Mario series.
I learn the patterns already. Storm of hate, short moment of eye of love, then back into storm of hate. It happens a lot.
Well, I find his answers to be fair enough.
Then again, I'm not a raging behind about anything that I do not like. Some people need to mature asap. I said it before and I will again, Nintendo makes great games and they decide themselves what they do and develop, not the fans or the gamers. Sometimes it is nice to try out something new instead of repeating history.
As long as they are in legal bounds, it is all a market thing. If you're furious about a release then do not buy it. But for the love of everything that I adore, calm down... Maybe I am just an elderly person, but please get off my lawn.
Yes, I'm sure fans wanted Animal 'Mario Party' Crossing and all the other garbage you've shown.
@Ryno If you want arrogance, read this interview with a guy from Bungie :- http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-06-22-destiny-the-taken-king-director-defends-40-expansion-price-tag
Still, I bet you don't go.
nintendo of america in particular has been like totally uncool for a number of years now with some ridiculous decisions , so i'm not surprised he was dodging the questions. NoE and NoJ are still fine tho.
@luisesteban how do you know whether or not it's good of you won't play it? That's his point.
@Yorumi No, I completely agree. There's a balance to it, where they should go in-depth on what's coming soon and be realistic about what is further away. It just bothers me when Reggie says that they don't talk about games that are years out while we wait for games that were announced years ago.
@yttrium13 I can't speak for the rest of fans, but when Wind Waker found its way to my home - with me being about 13 years old, with no Internet access and no information other than the usual, basic magazine coverage - I took the game with no prejudice and it blew me away. I did not stop playing until there was not a thing left to do.
At the time I got it I had been a Zelda fan for well over 6 years and I had played almost every Zelda game released before it, and I can tell you that, just like now, I was the kind of kid who preferred dark storylines like Majora's Mask to more cartoony, colorful alternatives. Yet I adored the game so much it's my joint favorite for the franchise, and I didn't even have a phase of ''acceptance'' with it - it was love at first sight in both graphics and gameplay.
Now, clearly I'm not 13 anymore and I've become far more critical as time went by, but I try to think of my old self and strongly assume that even then seeing Federation Force footage would have left me underwhelmed. On the other hand, something like Triforce Heroes looks cool and fun to me nowadays and I'm sure it'd have had back then as well.
I don't think FF has any appeal graphics-wise for kids because it just has very little detail and a really dull color palette. I don't imagine it'd have done well to capture the kids' excitement back then to begin with, and even less so today with so many better looking options to choose from. And it goes without saying - looking at the backlash - that it does not appeal to adults in general either.
A proper Metroid title on the NX may be a thing, sure enough, but it doesn't change the fact that, for many, Metroid in spirit has skipped the current major Nintendo home console,.and Nintendo can only hope to do some damage control with these, in my opinion, strawman arguments.
The disappointment is real.
After reading this I kinda feel like they are working on a 2d metroid (as prime has been said not to be coming soon) especially that surprise line, they might be keeping it secret untill its finished so they can release it soon afterwords, in a situation simaler to Majoras Mask.
@Mqblank: I went and read it. I haven't bought a Bungie game since the original Xbox (nor do I plan to in the near future) so I really don't care what they are saying.
I LOVED WIND WAKER THE MOMENT I SAW IT, I LOVED METROID PRIME THE MOMENT I SAW IT but not with Fed Force.
WW is still a Zelda, MP is still a Metroid, Fed Force is a co-op focused shooter on an aging handheld with a painful c-stick without anything that makes Metroid special.
@BLPs Stores over here got the latest wave today and they went up in price 100%. Yarn Yoshi and Dark Pit = 30 EUR. I didn't buy them since I dont want to encourage this behavior.
They still don't make enough amiibo, 7 months in.
Yeah let's produce Metroid Prime 4, a new F-Zero, Mother 5, Super Mario Galaxy 3 and an iteration of every sports game ever made by Nintendo for a console with a userbase of 10 million. The best idea ever! Throw a few hundred million euro out of the window with no chance of making a profit-but maybe then the fans would be happy. Reggie is such a tool. He tries to argue instead of committing seppuku-I mean he has control of everything at Nintendo.
Sorry for the rant but it gets boring. Ultimately Nintendo has to stay profitable as a business so it has to make sometimes painful and unpopular decisions.
Did Reggie take a slight jab at Sony with that comment about games that won't release for another 5 to 6 years? Cause I'm pretty sure he did.
And let's be honest: he's right. Sony's conference was smokes and mirrors. Sure, The Last Guardian, FF7 remake, and Shenmue III are really exciting announcements. But when will these come out? Yes, I know The Last Guardian was given a 2016 release date. However, this is The Last Guardian we're talking about. I'll believe it when I see it.
When Sony says "play it first on PS4" for FF7 remake, they really mean the PS5. As for Shenmue III, that's a kickstarter at the moment. Development hasn't started yet, and by the time it finishes, it might as well receive the Twilight Princess treatment.
It is hurting my brain that so many of you guys seem incapable of reading between the lines with what he said. He states clearly that they like to announce games when they're nearly ready. Those of you saying, "Well if you know we want a main series Metroid title make one!" Seem oblivious to the fact that there is quite likely a game in development, but it's just not complete enough for them to show if yet. You do realise that Nintendo tend to develop their titles for several years, right?
This uproar reeks of the old Smash Broa complaints. "Sakurai put Lucina in the game -instead- of (insert character)." except that he didn't, and she (and other clones) don't take up space a different character would have had otherwise.
You're all acting like Nintendo had development plans for a new main series Metroid game and Federation Force laid out of a table and then picked Federation Force over the other title. They obviously didn't. It's just that Federation Force is much closed to completion.
It comes across really spoiled. You all have no idea what Federation Force will play like of how much fun it'll be. Of course, it could be rubbish, but those of you writing if off from a short video are crazy. Those of you saying Nintendo is doomed are such drama queens. I don't understand why it's so hard to have a little faith in a company you supposedly love.
The amiibo situation is ridiculous. I'd hope they're not doing it on purpose, but it surely can't be that hard to reach the goal of allowing every amiibo collector to be a completionist.
"Reggie Fils-Aime has - as we observed during E3 - the propensity to talk a load of old PR guff at times, which to be fair is part of his job"
It's really not part of his job. That part of his job should be to properly communicate with his audience in a meaningful way, and PR talk accomplishes the exact opposite of that - it's miscommunication, plain and simple, and ultimately means nothing.
I love how people act as though Reggie is the one developing and releasing these games...
He probably does know that we want a Samus focused Metroid game but yano what, that doesn't mean it's going to happen. He's the PR guy for NoA, a market that NoJ probably only tolerates in the first place because they need the income.
@CapnKael https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/06/next_metroid_prime_home_console_title_would_likely_now_be_on_nx
I'd like to direct you to the above article. After reading it you'll probably realize there is nothing to read between the lines in Reggie's statements, just a vague ''yeah, we'll get to it on NX or so''.
By the way, on top of the announcement trailer, I also checked out the extended gameplay for Federation Force during the Treehouse segments. So I believe I have seen enough to form a solid preliminar opinion on both its graphic engine and gameplay, as probably do many other fellow commenters.
@Yorumi Well, they've been showing Xenoblade X for longer than it should take to develop FF7 remake. I mean, I agree with you, but Square Enix doesn't exactly have the best track record. We're still waiting on FFXV after all.
This is just pure speculation on my part, but we still do not know what Retro Studios is currently working on. I bet that it is an NX game. Nintendo really want NX to get off to a flying start so my guess is that Retro Studios started on a Wii U game and then had it shifted to the NX so that it would be ready for launch. Perhaps it is a new Metroid Prime. Perhaps it is a new IP. Whatever it is, I bet it will be exactly the kind of game that fans will be excited about when they finally see it revealed.
@CapnKael well said.
@CapnKael: Well, for one thing Nintendo talks out of both ends. Sometimes they show games longer than 6 months out and when they don't have anything they say well, actually we don't do that. But I guess Reggie's right for some people, "Here's what I would state: we know what our fans want."
Let's all watch the 2013 direct again, shall we?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MzG6lDA1A0
@Nintendo69 Yeah, but who's money in going to be expend? It's a risk, and the chances are quite hight that those 40-50 $, are going to be total waste.
@TwilightAngel Haha i know what you mean, it makes it worse in a way - we know exactly what you want but we've done something we know you won't want. Thanks a lot. That said, I think the negativity towards the game is more a representation of the general lack of blockbuster games on the horizon, bar Starfox and Zelda which we've known about forever, and have taken a long time to make. As people are saying, Reggie is deliberately hinting there's a lot going on behind closed doors. Don't we already know there isn't another Metroid Prime currently in production though?
Now the E3 dust has settled, I've accepted it's going to be pretty quiet for the next year. However, if there's nothing spectacular announced in the next 12 months I'm gonna bite the bullet and buy a PS4.
@jjmesa16 It really is quite hilarious. One of Conan and Clueless Gamer's best!
It's like they've gotten too big for their boots. They are a company that makes video games, that is all...
Flaunting Muppet versions of themselves as if they are stars while showing bugger all in the way of decent 'new' software made me shake my head in disbelief. It was as if they were taking the p***!
My question, that has never been answered by anyone, is this:
Is NX a "PLATFORM" as it's constantly referred to or is it a "CONSOLE" which has (to my knowledge) never been officially stated?
I'm not a huge fan of Metroid prime, but I can see why fans are upset. Federation Force just looks ok to me, the characters look pretty blocky/generic, and it feels like they just slapped the Metroid Prime logo on the game to try and build hype or give the game more credibility/sales. I guess the genre itself is related to the Metroid Prime Hunters sub series more than Metroid Prime, but it's not particularly what fans clamoring for another Metroid Prime were wanting, methinks. I could be wrong of course, but that's my initial impressions.
For the cancellation request, some were wanting that (not bc they just don't want the game, as a game is better than none) but bc they wish the resources to dev the game went elsewhere (like creating a standard MP game)
Tbh, I feel bad for Reggie. None of this is his fault, yet he is responsible for having to deal with people's endless complaints.
@BLPs Normally I would agree with you but not in this case. When you have a popular product that sells off the shelf don't you think the companies want as many as they can get. Nintendo can't keep up with stock issues fast enough and this is basically the Wii all over again.
With the most recent release of Amiibo's toys r us got a ton of Amiibo's and Best Buy whom you think was in good graces with them only got a hand full. I would think Best Buy would want just as many as toys r us got because it would sell out in one day.
The problem with the Wind Waker analogy is just that it just looked different whereas FF looks rough. It's visuals don't even mask limitations, it enhances them, leaving you with an ugly mess of a game.
Good enough. I wanted to check out Federation Force anyway.
Amiibo, I suppose they had set it in motion as an experiment and weren't prepared to ramp up production when the problem was apparent. HOPEfully (i.e. they haven't confirmed squat) future waves will have greater stock. Perhaps released steadily instead of one batch to drain and they're done. HOPEfully, they'll re-release all the prior characters that scalpers have become the only source for, or at least new versions like how the Super Mario line could replace the Brawl characters.
Maybe if there was a new metroid in devolpment but they said something like "we will talk about this more next year" and then said but until then.. and they show federation force, maybe there wouldnt have been such an uproar.
@Gridatttack "We also know that the best way to launch a game like that is to surprise and delight them, to give them a launch date, in an environment like this let them play it vs. what other companies do which is to announce a project that you may not see for five, six years." For all you—or any of us—know, they could be developing a true-blue Metroid title right now; they could simply be holding off on announcing it, until they develop it more.
@Operative #1
I liked the action in Metroid: Other M actually. If you got rid of the cutscenes, pixel hunting and some other oddities. You were still left with a solid action game, just not a good Metroid game.
I still don't know what to think of FF. I'm all for online co-op, but with Triforce Heroes coming and me still playing Monster Hunter 4 with another Monster Hunter potentially coming this way, FF has no reason for existing. At least until I'm proven wrong with future details.
I wish I could just order the whole amiibo collection directly from Nintendo without any discounts I just want all of them. I refuse to go to eBay and pay ridiculous amounts of money for them
@BLPs Here in NA the more sought after ones are gone day one then we don't see a restock for a long while. I've heard in EU the Fire Emblem figures are more available but here there's none on the shelves. If stores get them they're gone in minutes as they one get one maybe 2. I'm hearing the Splatoon ones are now impossible to find as well as some of the recent more rare ones.
Folks can hate on his Wind Waker analogy all they want, he's right. Whether it's style (Wind Waker and Federation Force), gameplay/scale (Mario 3D World), or straight-up failed expectations (the reveal of DK:TF over a new Metroid), there's ALWAYS some kind of outcry. But as we get closer to release of all those games, hype grows. And post-launch, the positive reviews and sales just roll in. The last game I can recall that proved the outcry right was Yoshi's New Island, and even THAT game wasn't "the worst".
And to the folks who are going, "If you really listened to us, you'd have delivered by now!", they hear what you're saying. Of course they KNOW what you guys want. But that doesn't mean they have to oblige right here and now. That's never been their way. A new Metroid WILL come in due time (likely around the NX's life).
It's so ironic that folks demand for Metroid for years, they get a form of Metroid, and are just turning it away without giving it a chance. Discarding this Metroid isn't gonna make the "real" one arrive any sooner.
it brings me a lot of relief to see that nintendo knows what we want. The people complaining are just mad about the title of the game. I am a little frustrated too, but we might just need to give it a chance.
@Hordak I've been wondering the same. This is one of the perils of the internet ; no journalistic integrity or newsworthiness required to publish an article. It's all about the clicks. When and where did anybody from Nintendo actually confirm that the NX is Wii U's successor ? The original quote regarding NX came from Iwata during the DENA announcement and also included an infographic that showed the NX alongside the Wii U and the 3DS :
“ As proof that Nintendo maintains strong enthusiasm for the dedicated game system business , let me confirm that Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand-new concept under the development codename ‘NX’ "
He also told investors recently at an officially translated meeting :
" Because we are calling it a 'new concept' , we are not thinking of this as a 'simple replacement' for the 3DS or the Wii U "
One has to assume that everything else is opinion and speculation until proven otherwise ; yet people are stating as fact that NX is the Wii U's replacement and is coming in 2016. The main supporting evidence for this now indisputable fact is that Nintendo didn't show any Wii U games for late 2016 , or show anything of the new Zelda. Even though they clearly stated before , then reiterated after , that they were only showing upcoming games.
@Jayvir
And if you would read between the lines you would have picked up on the fact he's insinuating they have something in the works but don't want us to know about it right now.
Which would explain why the Metroid director was giving us all these details of a game that supposedly doesn't even exist
And I do have to hand it to Reggie on this one. He talks a lot of PR crap and I know that's irritating to a lot of people including myself. BUT, this is a rough crowd- protests and out cries and petitions and demands 24/7 and then when they do make the game we demand for we pick it apart and criticize every last detail and threaten to not buy it.
And it takes a certain kind of person to deal with a crowd like that and I gotta say he's pretty good at it. This is a no nonsense statement and he gets right to the point. And you really can't argue with anything he saying either. He's telling us point-blank they hear us. They KNOW.
@IceClimbers I wouldn't exactly call that "caring". Zelda is one of their big sellers and Xenoblade was made with Japan in mind anyway. Let me know when we see stuff like collectathons, Metroid Prime, and Pokemon Colosseum/XD again and then we'll talk about whether or not Nintendo is actually appealing to the West.
You know, I agree with him on the federation force thing, cause alot of ppl hated wind waker when they first seen it, now it's one of the most loved Zelda games ever! I'll hold my criticism for this game until I play it, cause it actually looks like it will be fun to play. I think alot of ppl are just whining at this point cause they wanted a Samus starring game, the same old type of Metroid game we've seen before
As for amiibo, this is truly their fault for not keeping up with the demand, but I have noticed lately it has been getting easier to find ones I couldn't find before. People be patient, give them time to make the stock, then if there is still more shortage, complain again lol All I know is there better be no shortage on the yarn yoshi and classic Mario amiibo's when yoshi woolly world and Super Mario Maker are released.
@Bolt-Strike
Xenoblade may be a JRPG, but ironically enough it's main market was the west. And I guarantee if it wasn't for that massive success in the west we wouldn't be getting a sequel. The Japanese sales numbers were paltry. Same for Zelda- not exactly a big hit in Japan. I mean it still does okay just because Zelda but nothing to brag about. Splatoon, another western focused game. Code Name STEAM, even this Metroid, be a spinoff or not, it's certainly not for Japan. Metroid sells horribly over there.
I'll give it a go, if for no other reason than the developer. But I don't think the Windwaker comparison is strictly the same, but then I loved that game from the moment I saw it! I know I'm in the minority there though.
I do wonder though, if they know we want Samus Aran, why aren't they giving it to us? It's not like the WiiU is doing so unbelievably well they don't need to worry about what fans are wanting. Same goes for the Criterion F-Zero story, they know we want it and they have a dev willing, just at the time they were unable. But why not do it now? Honestly after the Mario Kart tracks now seems a better time than ever!
@JaxonH I would never be able to do his job, I probably would have quit after E3 due to how the "fans" pick at every little thing Nintendo does or doesn't do. Probably would have had a nasty lil Facebook/ Twitter message for them as well lol
@BinaryFragger
I don't think people are ignorant to how bad Nintendo is doing. People know. I know. But there's nothing we can do about that- it is what it is. So why get all bent out of shape over it? It's not that people don't want to acknowledge it, I think people just don't care that much. Not to say that in a mean way because of course I do care about them and wish them well, but I'm not losing sleep over it. It's not my problem. I just play the games. So always befuddles me to see these people who just want to focus on Nintendo's problems when it really is no concern of ours. I mean I hope they get their crap together but if they don't that's their problem. Talking about it just kills my brain cells. It's like talking about politics- I come here to talk about games.
I am curious why everyone expects them to have the next big thing around the corner though. They're not magicians, they're just game developers. The next big thing to me is the next big release in the scheduled lineup. And as far as I'm concerned I've gotten the next big thing pretty consistently for the last 30 years. Even since the launch of Wii U. With every other system all I expect is fun games to play and I expect no more than that from Nintendo. Of course I hold them to a higher standard because I believe they're better than most developers, but I still only expect fun games from them- that's all. And from where I'm sitting the fun games never stopped.
Know what I mean? I had a heck of a lot of fun in the GameCube generation, a lot of fun last generation, and I'm having a blast this generation. Everyone keeps looking to the future as if the games now aren't good enough. The games now are the breath and soul of Nintendo. If the games now aren't good enough they'll never be good enough for a person. Yeah I'm excited for the new Zelda. But Pikmin 3 was just as exciting. Mario Kart was just as exciting. Splatoon was just as exciting. And yes, NX sounds like a blast. But it's still only a means to an end. It's still just a means to play their games- the same kind of games were getting now on Wii U and 3DS.
If people think a new console is somehow going to make the games infinitely more fun to play they're only kidding themselves. This is the best it gets. We're living it right now. The Wii U library is one of the best I've ever seen Nintendo offer on a platform, with the exception of a few franchises MIA (but I can wipe my tears with the new franchises that weren't present on other systems, like Splatoon).
@Yorumi I couldn't have said it better myself, this is exactly the problem. Nintendo constantly talks about how they're "the innovators", but the Wii U lineup tells a very different story. We've seen a lot of rehashes, very few games that use the Gamepad in an interesting way, and mismanagement of pretty much any IP that isn't a huge seller, and a decrease in large scale games. The fact that we're not getting Metroid isn't the problem, it's that Metroid is the one game that is so utterly perfect for the Gamepad and not once in the last 5 years or so has anyone thought to do anything with it, which proves that they never really wanted to do much with the Gamepad in the first place. Innovation indeed.
@JaxonH People are expecting a big games in the sense of having huge, open ended AAA games with actual innovation, something like a Mario 64/Sunshine/Galaxy type of game or a new Metroid Prime. As for why they want to see something like that, they expect large scale games on a console because that's the entire purpose of the console market, to have grandiose games that you can sit down and play for a long time, and they expect innovation because that's how Nintendo markets themselves and how they've worked for several generations. Nintendo has started to shy away from these kinds of experiences on the Wii U and opted for smaller scale games and recycling gameplay styles, and so it feels like they're not delivering a true console experience anymore. That's what people are upset about.
It seems that Reggie is often a bit dense at times and he is full of PR talk. However, he does appears to be trying his best to please his fans and bring them what they want, even though there's plenty of mishaps along the way.
I honestly think Federation Force will be a fun game to play. I like when they do mix it up a bit which is what Nintendo does. People are flipping out over this E3 because they didn't get what they want. Be patient and trust them is what Reggie is saying. I'm sure they're probably going to have Metroid be a launch title for the NX. Until then, enjoy this little metroid venture. If you don't want to enjoy it, then just shut up. Sure, it was definitely the most lackluster E3 I have seen over the past years I won't deny that at all. But picking apart all the negatives hides all the positives.
@Jayvir LOLOLOL!
So here's the dychotomy of Nintendo as I see it. We have two different views, how outsiders see Nintendo and how NIntendo sees themselves. We see Nintendo retreading the same ground - Kirby and the Rainbow Curse for example... some of us wanted a new Kirby game, but we wanted a KIRBY game, not a new game with Kirby in it.
Then we have how NIntendo sees themselves, afraid to make a new IP that won't sell as well as, say, Mario - so they keep pumping Mario and Kirby, et all but with completely different game mechanics.
So here we have the strange cross roads, Nintendo isn't making the same game over and over, NOR is it making new games. For those of us who DO want a sequel, they fail and give us some new crap idea. For those of us who want Ninty to do something new, they don't, they just keep pumping the same characters.
Agree of disagree I see Nintendo failing to please everyone at once.
@hYdeks
Lol on the nasty little message...
"Listen here you little sh**s!!!" Lol I could totally see Reggie going straight ham on the social networks
@crimsontadpoles I think most people confuse Reggie's responsibilities. NOA is completely subservient to Nintendo Japan, all they do is oversee operations here in the U.S. That being said, Reggie isn't even CEO, chief EXECUTIVE officer. That role is filled by Satoru Iwata - executive decisions that account for the organizations guiding principles are determined by Iwata. Reggie is Chief OPERATIONS officer. His responsibilities include making sure everything that has been determined goes the way it's supposed too.
At the end of the day Reggie is a giant puppet whose job is to make everything as happy as possible, even when things really aren't, hence all of the PR.
@jakysnakydx Yeah, that's the thing. Slapping brand names on a different game isn't exactly how most people want to see Nintendo do something new, they want to see them take the same style of game and build on it, which is something Nintendo hasn't really done as of late. If they come back to an older gameplay style they don't really try to modernize it or put some sort of unique twist on it, they just copy/paste the same formula onto new levels and maybe add a token gimmick.
To be honest, if they're going to get serious with the NX, perhaps it's time for them to shift most of their development teams over to the new hardware. The more time they're preparing for it, the better. I hope that they're making a new Metroid, but for NX. What a great launch title that would be.
Everyone who apparently thinks Reggie makes Metroid games must not know how business works. Reggie doesn't make games. By that logic, everyone at Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft makes games.
Still think that the Wind Waker/Federation Force comparison is moot, though. Also, amiibos are still rare.
@kingofthesofa I would love to see how they juggle a 3rd system, because the main thought in my mind, was that the news of NX was going to cannibalize on sales of the Wii U and the 3DS, the latter being much more successful. Also, as I previously stated, If they keep both their main systems going another 3 years(at least), they MIGHT be okay...
@ningeek185 he's a PR man, it's his job to deal with people's complaints!
@Spoony
Times are changing. And three previous Nintendo consoles didn't have much games during their last years either. Now let's hope there are other titles for Wii U than just Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem and Zelda before NX arrives.
Basically Reggie just hinted at a proper Metroid, it just isn't in development yet. They know you want it, and there will be one. Pretty much from now on they'll only show games coming out in a few months to 2 years. Federation Force's confirmation doesn't cancel out a proper Metroid, it never did.
The problem is with NoJ. They don't reach out to Western fans as much as they should. What they need fo do is hire some Western devs to work on games that the Westerners want. All NoA and NoE can do is PR at this point, they have no say on what games get developed, just what gets localized.
That being said, the FF reaction was WAY too overblown.
@jakysnakydx If Reggie is nothing more then a figurehead, then that explains alot of Nintendo's issues right now. Back in the 80s and 90s, NOA was able to make its own decisions in regards to how the NES was marketed in the US, and what games made it over here.
Hiroshi Yamauchi of course always had the final word, but NOA was allowed to operate as it saw fit.
Little know fact that I'm sure many people on here may not know. It was Howard Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa were the ones who got the exclusive rights to Tetris on the Game Boy and NES. It was Nintendo of America who managed to get the Game Boy's killer app and deal that gave Nintendo the rights to Tetris.
At one point, NOA had alot more freedom in how they operated. Maybe that's some of the issue now. NOJ is calling the shots and I'm not sure they understand the Western Markets.
Sega had a problem around the time of the Saturn's launch, where Sega of Japan took a much more hands on role in running Sega of America, and it backfired horribly because Sega of Japan never understood the differences between the regions. Namely, the fact that cutting back support on the Genesis/Megadrive in the west was a bad idea, since the platform was still very popular in NA and Europe(for those who are wondering, the Megadrive was never very popular in Japan)
Because of Sega of Japan's desire to be more hands on, they gave the 16-bit market to Nintendo, and lost many of the employees of Sega who had made the Genesis such a success in NA.
I hate to say this, but I'm seeing the same thing out of Nintendo that I saw out of Sega. A Japanese parent company who wants to be more hands on while not understanding the differences between regions and the tastes of gamers that tend to differ in each region.
I could just tell that this interview was with Stephen Totilo. Hands down worst dude in video game journalism.
After the chaotic reactions to this years E3, Nintendo now confirms if u tap the samus amiibo, samus will appear in federation force as a choosable outfit for ur space marine. This to save all lost hopes!
Let me correct that:
"We used to know what we were doing."
I've finally figured it out. The little hints here and there. Last year all the talk about the main character in zelda being female. Then an entire extra year of development put on the project even though last christmas the gameplay seemed quite smooth. Now Reggie hinting about a possible Samus Aran game in the works. Also they decide not to show any Zelda footage at E3 even though they say its amazing. Yep I've finally figured it out. They've replaced Link at the last moment with Samus. The new Zelda is going to be "The legend of Zelda, Metroid edition". They only didn't announce it last week as they knew an announcement like that, all at once, would break the internet.
Not buying it. You've got lots of resources working on unannounced stuff and people noticed. You're right about a lot here, but that little fact won't go away.
I still like the lineup though. And I love the way they focus on stuff I can actually play soon, not in a few years.
But hey. People notice.
I guess it's true that we won't know until we try, but what I really want to know is... what happens if this "Metroid" game actually does turn out to be as bad as so many people expect? Just a big "I told you so" ?
Haha. I'm not getting into this one. So much surface talk here.
I'll just say, "please understand". It really is a good starting place before commenting.
I actually think Reggie must be infuriated that there is no major Samus Metroid game and devastated at the reaction to Other M. He does know that there is a rabid western audience for those games and would much rather be selling those once every two years that compete with the AAAs.
He's not wrong about FF, though. It looked fun and could be a stand out on the 3DS. The analogy was slightly off as some said — okay, I said I was getting into this. Cheers.
The comparison between FF and WW is laughable. But I will applaud the explanation after the fact. I feel a little better about the situation with Metroid and his wording seems to imply that Metroid will come out with NX. At least that's me reading between the lines.
Once again I see too many "I don't care give me metroid now". People gotta realize what it takes to make a game. Retro has been developing a project for the last three years, so I can almost guarantee that you will all get what you want in time. For now just accept that the Federation is coming to our handhelds for a co-op adventure this year and use that as a means to get yourselves back into the Metroid spirit.
At this point, I really think I won´t even consider buying a wii u, because when miyamoto, iwata or fils-aime talk about it, they seem to contradict themselves a lot. I love nintendo, a lot actually, but it seems that buying a PS4 is a far better option than a wii u at this point.
I guess I´ll return to see if the NX is woth picking up, because it seems that the system is dead in the water, other than star fox zero and zelda u (which I´m guessing will apply the twilight princess example, of launching when the nx is about to come out), there is nothing worth picking up in the near future.
Please don't call it an "interview". It was practically "an audience with".
I'm giving Federation Force the benefit of the doubt and curbing my hate horse for now. I'm going to keep my eyes on it and watch how it develops. We've seen next to nothing about it to say anything. See you all when it comes out and we'll see about congregating some more. Ready? Break.
@B3ND3R If Retro were working on Metroid, Tanabe wouldn't be talking about how he can't get a team together to work on it.
And yeah, we get that game development takes a while. What we don't get is why they decided to prioritize crap like Tropical Freeze and Yoshi's Woolly World over Metroid and start working on it sooner. The Wii U really needed a Metroid game, it's the perfect IP to show off what the Gamepad can do. The thing is, it's not just about one IP that's been abandoned, if it was, we wouldn't see as much outrage. It's about Nintendo abandoning an entire development philosophy, we've seen a narrowing variety in the lineup this gen.
@adamatsu Even so, I'd hate to put up with this crap. Honestly, Nintendo KNOWS the reaction for Metroid Prime Federation Force wasn't what they expected. Just shut up about it already.
@adamatsu When I said, "Just shut up about it already", I meant the complaining fanboys.
I agree with Reggie and understood this before it was even said.
I agree with Reggie and understood this before it was even said.
I agree with Reggie and understood this before it was even said.
sorry for triple. computer had heart attack.
sorry for triple. computer had heart attack.
> compares Federation Force to a traditional Zelda game
> compares Federation Force to a traditional Zelda game
Nintendo had 5 years to give birth to a new Metroid: not even the time needed for ONE guy on his own to create Axiom Verge...
Billions and billions in the bank, and not enough money to at least finance a brand new 2D Metroid made by a small talented team? They just became pathetic, and i try to stay polite...
"Look, we know that the fans want a straight Samus Aran game"
You know, but you obviously don't care!
Lol, I bet a lesbian Samus Aran game would be even more popular!
Maybe he should tackle that Animal Crossing title. Can he justify that? Plus, that Wind Waker thing doesn't even make sense here.
@BXXL I'm sure they've taken their time to come up with ways to freshen up the formula. Sure, they could whip out a small 2D Metroid in a year or two, but it'd be another Fusion or Zero Mission, which honestly didn't add much to the template set by Super Metroid. Good games, especially Zero Mission, but I'd rather see a more progressive 2D Metroid at this point, and that's something you don't just slap together.
FEDERATION FORCE... Will people complain if it scores 9/10 on reviews as a superb team shoooter?
If they had released this as a different IP..they hadn't put metroid in the title.... Nobody would have complained.... Everyone would have said ' cool! A team shooter on 3ds! Just what we need! '
@BXXL Exactly! They had plenty of time to deliver a genuine, sufficient Metroid title, and this is just damage control. Sorry for questioning you, Nintendo! Just continue to make reckless mistakes!
@WaveBoy looks like he's really feeling it
@Yorumi well over half of those things were out of their control but sure we can blame them I guess. According to you and I guess everyone else we should just go back to the nes because anything new they come up with you'll never like. So excuse me as I go enjoy some updates to smash bros and mariokart, some new IPs, and some interesting takes on old IPs.
I hope they fire this clown. He is horrible! Doesn't bring anything good to Nintendo. Man they pull through with this next console or they will suffer.
@Yorumi Well, one thing's for sure, NoA is going to come under a lot of fire soon, specifically with Fire Emblem Fates. There's people who got their hands on the Japanese version, and well, based on some of the content found, this game is gonna be censored to hell and back. If they don't, there's going to be quite an uproar. There'll be an uproar from FE fans if they do, though.
Edit: I should mention that the same-sex marriages aren't what I'm talking about. That's a whole other internet debate on it's own. The main uproar will be over some other content once they're discovered and picked up by the media.
I wanted a Metroid game based around the federation and not samus, a sandbox environment, and with coop. 2 out of 3 isn't too bad, not quite exactly what I wanted, but good enough.
All that is happening is that any major title that could have been released on the WiiU is now being developed for the NX. Not great for us atm, but the NX could have a killer line-up from launch.
@shaneoh They missed the best of those three.
@Bolt_Strike
You think 3d sandbox would work on a 3DS? (particularly when it has trouble running GBA games)
@IceClimbers
Pretty sure most of the uproar will be from mainstreamers.
@shaneoh Who said anything about 3DS?
Fed Forces seriously just looks like a VERY poor man's Lost Planet 2.
I don't think Reggie really gets things. Nowadays gamers are much more open to exotic and interesting art styles than they were back then.
Just look at the beauty of games like No Man's Sky, for example.
This and Star Fox Zero, however, are just Nintendo trying to cut as many costs as they possibly can to make more and more games.
There's also the issue of image. If an indie was making these games, then they would be accepted as trying to be retro.
With Nintendo however, I can't call them making a major game like Star Fox Zero with Dreamcast-level graphics with better lighting an art style.
Nor can I call them making even a spinoff of a major franchise like Metroid have worse graphics than its DS predecessor an art style.
Though, if Federation Force is priced at $20-30, I may be interested in getting it. My 3DSes are kinda starved for shooters.
I don't agree with the Wind Waker comparison.
Metroid has a brooding alien atmosphere, having chibi designs doesn't do it any favors.
@WindFish Iwata first please.
So, basically Nintendo is a dictator?
Sounds like it.
So, basically Nintendo is a dictator?
Sounds like it.
@ZeroZX-Dev I completely agree, I don't think there is anything terribly wrong, I think they just presented things poorly. The treehouse really got me excited for their games. Also they are clearly striving to listen to fans because we got earthbound beginnings. I think it's obvious Nintendo is holding out for NX though. I don't expect anything major we don't already know about until this mysterious NX is revealed.
@DTFaux Wind Waker had Link
I haven't found anything reassuring about the next console's future from Reggie's nor Miyamoto's comments lately. They sound painfully in damage control mode and don't seem apologetic about the missteps Nintendo has taken this generation at all. This interviews just reeks of arrogance. How do they expect to win back gamers and casuals if they aren't even arsed about winning over their loyal fans lately?
@Bolt_Strike
Well FF is being developed for 3DS isn't it? I don't think I can criticize a game that doesn't exist.
@Operative "Federation Force, as confirmed by the director himself, is not focused on the exploration and isolation that Metroid is known for. It's focused on action and the ball game. So it's hardly an appropriate comparison, Reggie. Nice try, though."
It is a perfectly reasonable comparison. Your criticism is nothing but a nice try. All you're stating simply means that Federation Forces won't play like a standard Metroid game, but it says nothing about whether it's a good game or not.
@LinkSword This
To add to all this NOA hate, there's a rumor going around the Fatal Frame is going to be eShop only.
You guys can be real whiny sometimes... I still have faith in Nintendo. I have been a die hard Nintendo fan since birth. Metroid has always been my all time favorite, even on the NES, and I'm excited for Federation Force. And those of you who think that this year's E3 has condemned Nintendo, have you forgotten that Majora's Mask 3D was announced last November without any previous mention? Nintendo is king. Long live the king!
@TheGreenHylian Yes, and despite that, WW was initially crapped on for it's chibi-like style (and to a certain extent, the cel-shading).
Even if MP:FF starred Samus, folks would likely still throw a fit if she was represented in a chibi, non-HD design.
Hi Reggie, do you want easy money? Ask Zen Studios to create Nintendo themed pinballs and once you have 10 tables, go retail for € 30.
BTW, why do people still think that the problem with Federation Force is its artstyle?
"we know what our fans want"
Unfortunately this isn't always true and certainly isn't for me.
What I would like is:
What I would not like is:
What some Nintendo fans want is not what Nintendo are providing and they should realise that they have a whole old generation of fans like me that do not like their recent output. QoL included.
@datamonkey i agree with your "i dont want" list
for me i keep seeying reggie or nintendo in general just posting or saying the most stupidest comments towards fans that its even hilarious in a way they being big hypocrites....also theres people who still defend nintendo lmao wake up and see the fact that they have been messing up as well as a dissapointment while throwing amiibo on your face >.>
people have also been asking for pokemon snap U, mario sunshine 2 , pokemon stadium U , etc so no reggie you arent listening to fans not even when its being drawn often on miiverse but i guess its good that ppl are mad dont support the federation game maybe they will finally learn not to waste time,effort,money on those stupid games like mario tennis that we dont need
also why are some jumping to conclusions thinking a new metroid is actually in the works when they clearly said they dont even have the reasorces yet to even start? you dont go around saying stuff like that just for fun...
Nintendo needs to fix the amiibo supply issues before releasing a whole new batch of amiibo that will mostly be bought and sold by scalpers. I'm a consumer trying to get one of each for myself but gave up during this 4th wave because it was absolutely impossible to do it without paying a ridiculous price on ebay from a reseller.
I will cut Nintendo some slack on Metroid Federation Force. It did look better during the Treehouse Live coverage but they probably should have expected some backlash by using the Prime name.
@DarkNinja9 2 of those games are more in Gamefreak's control and there being no main series Pokémon game on 3DS this year is only more evidence to them not wanting to work with Nintendo consoles.
@Mona-Reggie
Implying that an F-Zero Wii Fit crossover WOULDN'T be the best thing ever.
He wants everyone to be an amiibo completionist? I don't understand, why would he want all Nintendo fans to go bankrupt?
Personally I think they wanted to give players a nice competative FPS game that would hopefully pull in fans of that type of game and fans of metroid alike.
Chances are they used the metroid hunter kind of theme because they could do more with that spin-off IP.
Reggie's clearly a smart guy and he makes a great point with Wind Waker, but let's not kid ourselves. Federation Force isn't going to be the next WW. It's not going to be the end of days either. I think we should all just stop complaining and wait for it to come out and judge it on it's own merits
As a Nintendo fan I'm really concerned about the Wii U's future. If this is Nintendo's management then fine. Keep doing this and see what happens. Its sad because the Wii U has some of the best games of the 8th generation, but no one plays them. If you know what we want then why don't you do them? I know this sounds selfish but this can attract Nintendo fans who left after the Gamecube/Wii. If the NX has a terrible name because its still a codename, has poor advertising, and a terrible launch line up, then Nintendo is going to be in some serious hot water, and they probably going to continue until their financial backs are on the wall. I hate to be doom and gloom but this is only if this management continues.
Federation Force may indeed be a good game. However, it is a massive slap in the face to Metroid fans. Reggie seems to good for nothing but memes and poorly worded apologies. It is time for Reggie and Iwata to go, in addition to others. Miyamoto needs to be demoted or put in a different position because what he is doing is not working.
> We know what we're doing
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlatantLies
@bezerker99 So I finally just watched that video and have tears streaming down my face from the hilarity of it. Thank you for making me aware of it.
Yeah because people are ONLY complaining about Federation Force's art style...
They're not complaining about the art style, gameplay, and the fact that it's the only Metroid game we've had in almost a decade. Or the fact that it's a damn unnecessary spin-off.
Nope. You're completely right Reggie, you know what we spiny pink platypus want.
Now apologize for the horrible Direct just like mr. Iwata had the decency to do, you hack.
This is ridiculous... Sony (or mostly anyone really) doesn't release games 5 or 6 years after they're announced unless something goes very wrong. You need a balance of announcing stuff well ahead of time, and when it's gonna release really soon. They've done this with Zelda, and with SMGxFE (though this was one too early on), now they're saying they don't do stuff like that? No, you're making excuses for your terrible E3, and you're either terribly misinformed for someone is your position, or your being pathetic. I'm betting on the latter. And no, I don't trust you because you've given me almost every reason not to.
The guy who single handily took Nintendo of America from 2nd to 5th after Europe, Australia, and Korea.
@Jese_1 Getting upset and complaining and trying to make it go out of control is in the nature of the newer and most of the current generation of people. It's quite obvious with the petition for metroid prime federation force to be ended, but one thing i don't get is why its so bad for a spin-off to be made about all those soldiers that get killed fighting like in metroid prime 2 and 3.
@Operative You haven't played the game, so you don't even know if its fun or not. You just assume its not because it's not what you want.
@ferkner it's clear you didn't read my entire post. Instead read the first few lines, got really defensive for no reason, and wrote a reply. How about finishing reading comments before you start telling me how I feel, how about that in case you actually don't go up and read it since comments are apparently too hard for you to finish, I said I think it looks fun and look forward to it. Jesus.
Why do people dislike this game so much? They aren't replacing Samus as the protagonist of the series. It's just a fun idea for a spinoff.
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