In what will possibly be the last Metroid Prime-related post of the day, another interview with series producer Kensuke Tanabe has revealed some telling additional detail in relation to the current status of the IP beyond Metroid Prime: Federation Force.
Some of the negative reaction to the 3DS title has come from the fact that it's far-removed from fan hopes for a Metroid Prime IV home console release. Unfortunately, Tanabe-san has indicated to Eurogamer that no extensive development on a home console game is currently taking place, and that the scale of the game - with a presumed three year development time - would see a new entry fall on the Nintendo NX hardware.
If we started for Wii U now, it would likely take three years or so. So it would likely now be on Nintendo's NX console.
It's a long time but it would need to include a lot of content, which would take a lot of work on the development side.
...I'm the producer of the Metroid Prime series, and [Metroid series co-creator] Yoshio Sakamoto is the one in charge of Metroid itself. I'm not sure when he's planning on making such an announcement so I can't speak for him.
I'm not thinking about anything like that [partnering with another studio] right now. We have nothing to announce on working with any specific team.
Some have considered whether a new Prime title could span multiple planets in an intergalactic adventure, but Tanabe-san has thoughts on a more intimate yet complex setting. "I would have one [planet] and would focus on the timeline, and being able to change that. That's one interesting idea I have in mind... but I understand many people thought that [Echoes] was too difficult".
Finally, Tanabe-san acknowledged the merits of dual-screen GamePad play for the franchise, but reiterated that it's simply not likely to happen.
It is a great idea, I agree. Truth be told, making HD games takes a lot of time and resources. I haven't been able to collect a team or the resources to do it.
Not particularly pleasing news on the prospects of a Wii U entry, but nevertheless the series producer is clearly considering the next move for the Prime IP.
Pretty much confirms the NX is also the next home console and will replace the Wii U. I've thought from the moment they 'announced' it that it was the heavily rumoured Fusion of handheld and home console, but I've noticed a lot of people get angry if you talk of it succeeded the Wii U, and instead say it's a 3DS replacement. My thoughts? It's both.
In other words the Wiiu is dead after this year and all the big games are going to the NX. Good to know and good to know the NX is a console.
So the wait begins. Nonetheless, I'm happy they are finally putting their mind to it, and to be honest, I don't mind waiting as long as it comes out great.
"no extensive development on a home console game is currently taking place" WHAT? So what IS Retro working on?
So this game would be the only prime game this generation? Another slap in the face! It makes me dislike Federation Force even more (but not enough to have it cancelled).
After this year's E3 the NX isn't starting to sound like such a bad thing. Nintendo needs a more powerful platform. Without it, they're limited to only what they can produce themselves, which is all fine and good being that they're very good at doing that, but they're missing out on A LOT of potential revenue from 3rd party sales and I'm missing out on a lot of games.
What I want to see from NX is a few things: First, backwards compatibility, Second transferable download titles and Third, a better Nintendo ID system.
@Nintendo_Ninja Atleast you know they are really going to try on the next one to make it great.
Why do you dislike the game so much? :/
@Peach64 It was very likely before E3, but E3 confirmed it. Reggie made this pretty clear. I think it was the most impressive aspect of their Digital Event. They were pretty forward about their situation and their future - unlike everything I ever heard out of Nintendo before. NX in 2016, definitely announced, most likely released, 2017 at the very, very latest.
There is no more prospects of a Wii U entry of Metroid Prime. At the very best, many years down the line, there could be a down-port for the WiiU, if it is still supported then, depending on the nature of the NX. I think that is very unlikely though, not to say simply wishful thinking ^^
So they've just been sitting on their lazy arses for the most part of the last 2 and a half years and they acknowledge it. And they still complain about the difficulties of developing in HD, in 2015!
You got some nerve, people.
@Peach64 I thought the same thing. It doesn't sound like a good idea to me but it sounds more and more plausible cause their handheld is due for a real update pretty soon.
But just like many people will wonder: What is Retro doing then????
@Samurai_Goroh At the very least they are making it.
No team or resources for a Metroid U! Nintendo simply don't give a **** about Metroid on home console.
@Aromaiden Too late and not for the console I bought, so I could not care less.
I guess I'll take my time with NX too. I reckon I won't buy it before 2018 and some price drops. I'm done with putting my trust in Nintendo's ability to deliver.
Maybe Retro is working a new IP or that rumored Diddy Kong Racing game? They did help with Mario Kart 7, and the current theory is that they're working with Monster Games to develop it.
@manu0 Basically...nothing i guess. Or its so secret, that they are clueless themselfes...
Or they are working on a 3DS port of Tropical Freeze...sigh
But yeah, i think we can conclude, that the upcomming lineup of games that we know of is the WiiUs swansong.
Everything starting now will be moved to the NX, and im also pretty sure that ZeldaU will be the next twilight princess, meaning a bridging title between generations.
@andreoni79 All these peopel are working on other great projects, like Animal Crossing U and F-Zero UX and Pokemon and...oh...nevermind....
Now is probably not the best time to announce this...
"What I want to see from NX is a few things: First, backwards compatibility, Second transferable download titles and Third, a better Nintendo ID system."
I would add improved online features, like party chat, e-shop access via browser, etc. - basically just copy Ms or Sony and this and reskin, then add Nintendo flavour ala Miiverse -> Call it a day. Also, make a console, that focuses on being easy to develop for, while providing enough power to make all kinds of experiences possible, do NOT focus on making a new control scheme or otherwise "new experience". We had enough of those for a couple of generations - no more gamepad and stuff.
Innovate through software, like shown with titles like Splatoon, stop trying to force innovation through hardware.
@Peach64 I think that the fusion of both handhelds and home console its still a technological challenge... I hope that the NX is a home console with an architecture more similar to a computer (kind of like PS4/XONE), so we may get third party games, that is if they're truly interested in getting the third parties back.
Wii U is dead after 2015.
They should delay Star Fox Zero and make it a NX launch title.
If people needed ANY more proof that Wii U support is grinding to a halt, here it is. Again. No one except the biggest, most blind fanboys can deny it now
We will see when I buy an NX. I'm getting all I can out of my Wii U first.
@Samurai_Goroh Did you really only buy a Wii U for Metroid?
And I even gave them extra money buying a second time the Prime games on WiiU VC just to "support" them...
@Peach64 I agree. I think it's been clear this generation that Nintendo can't support making games to float two full consoles on their own, not easily anyway. Having a platform that succeeds both and allows all of their teams to develop for one platform would be sensational. Imagine the output for the Wii U and 3DS merged onto a single console (ignoring, of course, that some games wouldn't cross boundaries as easily) since the Wii U launch and you'd easily have one of Nintendo's best systems ever, but split across two as the cost and time for development on both increases, I question its sustainability for another generation.
Guys. Its only being announced next year. It will take at least another year for them to release it.
@Aromaiden No, I also bought it amongst other things for a new Mario Galaxy or similar in scope game, which by the way we are clearly not going to get either.
There is a fine line between liking Nintendo and being a sucker for them. I'm not keen on crossing that line, so Wii U is going to be the last machine I buy from them in quite a while. I played some very good games on Wii U, but right now I don't feel that my loyalty and investment has really paid off.
Sadly, Nintendo has lost me now. As a student who can only afford one console, it looks like I made a mistake sticking with Nintendo. The fact that they are willing to dedicate their resources to the likes of Mario Tennis and AC: Amiibo Festival but not Metroid Prime just seems to show that Nintendo is more interested in pushing out quick shovelware akin to the Wii days than catering to the it's longterm supporters, who are keeping them afloat with the WiiU. Ignoring your core franchises when you have essentially zero third-party support is just unfathomably stupid. Not to mention that core supporters who stuck with the WiiU are now getting a gimped lifetime due to Nintendos own incapacity to market their system. This is a cycle that I am not willing to be a part of anymore.
@Hachiko Maybe by the time they finish it, it's coming on NX2 instead. =/
so nintendo is pulling a sega move on the wii u? instead of actually cutting the price of the wii u (the "price cut" they made was laughable) they just abandon it.
the nintendo fans who bought a wii u actually invest a lot into the software and now just got the big F you.
i'm done with nintendo consoles if they're going to act like sega
Nintendo often has gimmicks that don't pan out or are often under utilized so I'm not a fan of the hybrid idea. Likely it would be something nice in theory but bad in real world application. They need to focus on what sells consoles to developers....power and online functionality. Getting 3rd parties to buy in is essential since Nintendo takes years to get non-Mario milked games out the door.
Kinda sad that I want the Wii U cycle to end and I want the NX out now To me, a system without Metroid isn't completely worth it, I never bought a n64 back in the day, and I honestly should have waited longer on getting my Wii U. Kinda sad, but I miss my Xbox one now, And I've been playing ps4 with my sister's boyfriend alot since yesterday's e3 direct disappointed me.
@Frank-The-Tank Amen to this brother
I'm late to the WiiU since I only just bought it on sale for my kids a couple months ago. How many new Metroid games were actually made for the WiiU?
Yup, NX which I will refuse to buy.....
My next system will be Sony.
@Samurai_Goroh cant you blame them ? Its just like Sony with the Vita, its just not worth it.
It sucks for us owners but what can you do about it ? At this point releasing any new games have a serious risk of affecting the series as a whole.
I hate it but thats about we can do :/
What to do with all of that Amiibo money... hmm.
So this confirms that a Metroid Prime 4 is NOT in the works right now. But probably will eventually be. So no Prime 4 any time soon. And basically Wii U is being killed off very slowly, which is what most of suspected anyway. RIP Nintendo RIP Wii U.
Nintendo has lost the third parties and I don't think they're going to get them back.
@Frank Well said. I feel bad for those who bought WiiU on day 1. What has Nintendo been doing for the past 2 years? StarFox looks like its 10 years old and who knows when we'll see the next Zelda. AC is pretty much AmiiboWare now.
Otherwise known as...the franchise doesn't sell so Nintendo is not going to offer a team for a money pit. Just because fans are loud doesn't mean that they put their money where their mouth is. Before somebody says something to me, I own all the game cube games the original version of 3 and the trilogy pack.
@wetdagger none. unless you count the attraction for nintendo land. however you can play all of the prime series on the wiiu by playing the wii trilogy set.
@MegaAdam The problem it that now they are also risking losing the fans as well. Pulling a SEGA, I thought Nintendo knew better than this.
Honestly, I'm not even waiting for the next Prime game, so I don't really care. I'm waiting for a main Metroid that isn't Sakamoto's personal fanfiction, that's all. No need for anything huge, just make a Metroid game.
I wish F-Zero had so much love.
This sounds good, but just because we aren't getting a Metroid on Wii U fanboys don't act like the Wii U got abandoned and has gotten no software. Pathetic that I have to even say that.
The Wii U is over. The Generation has only just begun. Still plenty of time to upgrade your PC, buy a PS4, or buy an XBO and still get the most out of this generation.
Pretty much my sentiments as well. If they make another story with Samus, just keep Sakamoto kept as far away as possible, and I don't care if it's a "Prime" moniker or not. Even better if they erase Other M and Fusion from canon.
Retro is working on Clu Clu Land 2 HD Remix
@Ryu_Niiyama Unbelievable! So the WiiU will finish with no new Metroid game? How sad.
I'm getting the vibe we'll be getting a new 2D Metroid soon(ish) though.. right?
Nintendo is known to be deceitful when it comes to what they're working on, plus....
"If we started for Wii U now, it would likely take three years or so."
If they started "now", but what if they started a couple of years ago?
Wow, this sucks. Maybe next time I will prioritize making a gaming PC before I buy Nintendo's next console.
They really blew it with the wii u, and this NX seems to be the early replacement of the wii u...
@Quorthon Well, at least fusion seems to be the last of the timeline.
So theres hope they wont make a sequel to it...
After this mess, Nintendo lost a lot of respect for killing the Wii U like that. I'm glad I have a few good games here to make it last one more year, but honestly, what a s** hardware and software management.
2016 will be just like the wii or GC's last year, a barren wasteland with a zelda game.
on a brighter note, when the NX comes out the ps4 will probably have a decent price cut and a suitable library.
@Discostew So then 2 years ago they started on some shovelware Metoid game. Glad they're using their time wisely.
@Samurai_Goroh Nah, Metroid will hit NX in time. Now Smash Bros on the other hand, I'm not so sure about. We just got a new Smash Bros last year. That places the next Smash Bros game as the swansong for the NX, if they don't pull a Twilight Princess on it and release it on the NX's successor as well.
Now that I think about it, @Quorthon, what do you think are the chances that Nintendo pulls a "Definitive Edition" remaster of Smash 4 that includes all DLC for the NX's launch?
I would just like any of the Adam Malkovich crap removed from the franchise.
After Hyrule Warriors 3D? I fully expect it.
Nintendo needs to stack the odds for NX, and that is a way to do it. Launch with Mario, Metroid/Retro game, Zelda U-NX, and a definitive Smash, they may have a chance to sell that hardware.
No nx for me then the people who've stuck with the wii u are getting shafted,the biggest games have been wind waker hd and 3d world which as enjoyable as it is pales in scope to the galaxy games or prime 3 or tp and ss.nintendo could have used some of the cash reserves and at least keep the faithful happy this gen instead were getting n64 assets reused and aonuma spending years on another zelda that'll largely go under the radar since the console will be done by then.
Glad to know the NX seems to be a home console at the moment. I'm cooled down after the Digital Event yesterday. Going to start focusing on positives. After making Metroid Prime TRILOGY, I would expect them to do more with just "Metroid" but whatever.
@Vilinision How do we know it's a 3D Land spin-off? All they've said is the vague "3D Mario game."
Just because NX is being shown next year doesn't mean it's being released. Wii U isn't "dead" the next console could take 2 to 3 more years to release
Well, I just lost most of my respect for Nintendo. Seriously, Metroid Prime would be perfect for the Wii U, how is it that no one wants to work on this game? This is proof that Nintendo's comments of "innovation" are all talk, if they really wanted to innovate and take advantage of the Gamepad, Metroid Prime 4 would already be out.
Well, that's it then. My Wii U isn't even a year old but it seems like the end is already near. No Metroid, no F-Zero, no Wario platformer, no heavy hitters except Xenoblade X while the Wii at least got Last Story and Pandora's Tower. As much as I love the U games I have, as much I am repulsed by the nothing they have in their sleeve.
If that's all Nintendo will be offering me (still waiting on Golden Sun 4 too!), then I certainly will pass the NX, no matter what it is. No way am I spending several hundreds of euros on a new system again soo soon after buying the U and already some 12 games, all the while knowing it might get the axe two years later. At this point I'd much rather invest in a PS4, and that says a lot, after 25 years of Nintendo gaming...
If the NX will be indeed the next Nintendo home console (who knows) and they'll announce it at next year's E3 they really should build it on hardware that is
a) more accepted by third party developers and
b) that is much more powerful as the XBO and the PS4 are right now.
Especially the latter is of importance as the MS and the Sony consoles are already reaching their limits.
And Nintendo really cannot afford a third time to fall behind current console hardware with a then new home console. No matter how brilliant some of their software titles are.
That means there is nothing. They have pretty much done nothing with Metroid since Other: M, except for cancelling the game that one studio proposed, and MP:FF
This is extremely sad news. The only worse news would be that they were cancelling the franchise entirely.
The most interesting thing about this interview is the 'semi reveal' that the NX is a home console (or this fusion system between home console and handheld)
First off, did he say that he's making the next Prime game? No. Did he hint that it will take place. No.
Its like how Eji Anouma had no announcements for Majora's Mask on 3DS and then it happened.
@Peach64 I think it might be a handheld devise with a set top box that streams to the tv. That way you can use it on the go and at home. This would probably fit the Japanese push to mobile while still satisfying home console fans. The problem would be what is under the hood to get 3rd parties interested. Although, if you had the ability to play 3DS/WiiU games on a single system now, there would be a ton of content to get people excited.
Whatever it ends up being, it is clear that the WiiU is not long for this world with what has been said form multiple Nintendo people. I say 2 years at best. Hopefully we get a traditional metroid out of it though .
Again begs the question, what the hell are Retro working on?
im disapointed...not sure if ill be buying an nx, i feel cheated.
And on top of all of this madness, NO REAL PAPER MARIO GAME!!! Oh, well. When the support goes away, the hackers will come to play.
@Lycidas I hear you. I bought the Wii U early this year and it is very dissapointing to see that it is very close to the end of its life - far too early. What really bums me out is how much potential I see in the system. There are so many positives with both great games and upcoming titles. But, they really seem to want to move on and try to innovate instead of building on their classics.
@Hachiko Not necessarily. We know that Nintendo immediately moves on to their next platform. They also unified the R&D divisions for console/handheld, so they likely have resources to crank something new out. What is abundantly clear is, that if the NX is as capable as the PS4/XBone, they could likely get a lot of the great third party support. The other consoles seem to have few real exclusives, which might make NX appealing to other gamers if they can get the great 3rd party stuff.
Of course, that is likely a pipe dream because it might not sell well and Nintendo's target audience appears to never buy 3rd party software (admittedly, there hasn't really been comparable hardware for the past 10 years). I just know that Gamecube was the most powerful but it was not a great sales success. nintendo tends to do better when they go outside the box, but that hurts them with the "core" gamers/developers.
@Angelic_Lapras_King Rumore has it is that they are making yet another DKC game (although this might be just neogaf rumors self perpetuating).
Yep! This confirms NX will be home console!
Holy crap guys, he's just saying that a Metroid game would take 3 years to develop, so it likely would be on Nintendo's next console. Stop reading so far into it.
@MrRaven1972 So true. The games taht came out til now are really good, and I'm very positively surprised by Splatoon, and I liked Bayonetta a lot! And with the gamepad, you could do so much in a regular Metroid.
But the absence of a perspective after Xenoblade in December is killing it. No games to wait for, all the while knowing that any game starting production now would be on the NX to add insult to injury.
@Quorthon Agreed, especially if the next Smash isn't set to come out until the twilight years of the system. I'd throw Bayonetta 3 in there somewhere as well, whether it be at launch or within the first year and a half. Bayo 2 may not have sold the greatest, but people do consider it a point in the Wii U's favor. They might pull a Definitive Edtion on Pokken Tournament as well.
Wouldn't mind seeing series like F-Zero, Kid Icarus, and Sin & Punishment fill the gaps.
@MrRaven1972 Unfortunately, they need to kill it off. It is a drain on their finances and has almost no chance of making up ground. Unfortunatey because it is a pretty slick system with some neat concepts and game design possibilities. They have resigned themselves to this fact it seems as they didn't pull out all of the stops for the system. The only reason they returned to profitability was because of exchange rates and amiibo being a bigger success then they thought.
I know people are pissed right now, I'd just throw in my two cents - to me, the Wii U is the best console ever made. I have never experienced such an array of absolutely stellar games, with even more to come. Nintendo dropped the ball by not showing any major new Wii u titles, but I think those of you hoping to bring 3rd party back with the next console are kidding yourself - for some reason its not something third parties are considering, or the rumours of Sony and MS paying third parties to skip it are true
2016 is looking rather bleak for the Wii U...
I wonder if he intended to reveal as much as he did. Not only did he reveal that the NX is Nintendo's next home console, and that it will replace the Wii U in the next 3 years, but he also confirmed that Retro's not currently working on Metroid, which has long been rumored. He also suggested that the Gamepad will not be supported, or at least not be standard, on the NX, by saying that dual screen gameplay would be great, but probably won't happen since the game isn't being developed for the Wii U.
"I haven't been able to collect a team or the resources to do it." WTF? Seriously? Then what the h*** have Retro been doing all this time? In the 1,5 years since the last Donkey Kong game they could have easily made a trailer or even a beta level.
They have even strengthened their team with several new people to be able to delegate and diversify, so basically, they now have two teams. one of which could pick up the franchise again.
Retro is the VERY reason that Metroid became a fantastic series on home consoles again, so they are the only ones that should make another game, NOT some new team or Monolith. I'd hate to see another other M, although that game wasn't really as bad as some people made it out to be. But it definitely wasn't in the same league as Metroid Prime...
@RantingThespian (#64) well, at least there is a Doctor in the house now...
Well, that's somewhat reassuring. At least we'll finally be getting another home console Metroid.
P.S. Change Metroid's logo. It looks like it's from the late 1980s.
I wonder how good that translation in because that small sentence gave away a LOT of information if it's read exactly like that.
@TwilightAngel it takes more than a year to design and make a game of that scale, up to 5 years. NX would still be 2 to 4 years away from my rough guess, earliest being Nov 2017 - next year is just a touch too soon I think.
People that act like the fact they're not making Metroid right now means RIP Nintendo and RIP Wii U are funny, especially when these comments make it seem the reason there's no Metroid yet is because the director has hardly thought about it. It's amazing how tunnel-vision a lot of fans tend to be- as if Metroid, a series that has never sold all that drop-dead well, will suddenly turn around the Wii U and extend it's lifespan just because you all want it, ignoring all the other best selling Wii U games already released.... The Wii U has had a lot of games and just because it's not getting a new Metroid game I would hardly call it "shafted". Personally, I highly doubt the NX is coming out next year. It doesn't make sense when the new Zelda is going to drive many to finally get a Wii U, and putting it on NX ala TP would be a huge slap to the face and Nintendo knows that. If the problem is the game takes 3 years to make, I bet the NX will come out in 2017. And I doubt 2016 is for sure going to be a barren year. They still have Directs guys.... Nintendo doesn't treat E3 as the only single place for announcements like American companies do, because they're not American. They probably have more up their sleeves.
I really do wonder what Retro is working on if not Metroid though, hm. Maybe the Diddy Kong Racing 2 rumors hold some weight after all....
@Barely_Able While I do not disagree with you - Nintendo killing off the Wii U so early is going to create a lot of frustration with their core fanbase and it may take a while to win them back. If the NX is in some way backwards compatible or embrace the Wii U, that would help. I don't know - just disappointed
They said early 2016 they would release info on it meaning it probably won't be till holiday 2017 since they usually release them around that time. Or it'll be at next E3. People have to remember they released the wii U a year early before the other current gens, and 2017 will be it's 5 year anniversary which is a normal cycle for Nintendo consoles.
And especially if they are going to try to make this one better they're going to put in a few years of development. I was ready for dual screen gameplay but the world wasn't apparently.
P.S. I REALLY hope they do not name the next one "Wii NX" or something that has "Wii" in the name. It's time to let that be. That was one of the main confusions with consumers.
@Pupito Nintendo would be better with more new franchises than yet another bunch of sequels - many are sick of the video game industry reliance on sequels, remaster and remakes - while Nintendo makes sequels that are truly a different game, a new Galaxy won't push the system, F-Zero doesn't have the support to be worth the time and money, Metroid will need to be reinvented again to be successful and to get more than just the Prime fans on board (and the new 3DS game may be enough of an evolution to be worthwhile) and new DLC will struggle to sell much more in the way of new consoles.
The Skylanders Amiibo deal will sell more bundles than many new F-Zero titles, unless F-Zero is reinvented well enough in the same way Mario Kart 8 has been totally reinvented since MK 64.
Ha ha, all these people saying they're moving on to other consoles. I'm just not going to buy any! Ha ha ha ha ha...ha.
But seriously after Mario Maker comes out and they hopefully get King K. Rool into Smash, I'll be good. Tropical Freeze and Returns already came out so no new DK platformers for a while, and it doesn't seem like there's a new Super Mario title coming out either. I really think I'll be done after the Wii U.
Wow, this e3 keeps getting worse for Nintendo owners. I really don't know if I'm going to support them through another console.
And as another note, this is probably the best news I have heard from E3 this year. I had a fear the NX was going to be some mobile/handheld hybrid mutation of some sort.
Part of the problem, I feel, is too many have their own warped definition of what makes a "true game" of a franchise. The Wii U is shafted because it didn't get a "true" 3D Mario game. The Wii U is shafted because it didn't get a "true" Fire Emblem game. What I feel people need to do is stop doing that and think of the fun the games on the Wii U have been. Nearly every game on the Wii U has been reviewed very highly and many have enjoyed them- being a spin-off or not should not matter in the slightest. Here's a crazy idea: maybe Nintendo did all these spin-offs because they thought fans will enjoy them (as they have) and it's not some crazy conspiracy theory where they've only been preparing for the NX since 2013 and have been always killing the Wii U??? Wow... seems too out there ::::////
@RantingThespian Don't worry, the Wii U doesn't want to go yet and we will get an extra 2 to 4 years out of it yet.
They need to get the NX announced next E3 and put it out by holiday 2016. Sony and Microsoft did announcements and console releases the same year, and so can Nintendo.
People suspected that Wii U would be dead past 2015. And now, thanks to E3, everyone knows it.
I guess if some of the "old" Retro guys, the ones who were the creative minds behind the Prime triolgy, were still there, it could have been different, but at least this shows us were are Nintendo's priorities...
The gamepad was just PERFECT for a brand new Metroid, as it was perfect for a Fire Emblem, and all we got are two (good) 3DS Fire Emblems and a 3DS pseudo-Metroid-multiplayer...
That's why i don't believe Nintendo and their "hardware innovations" anymore: gamepad has been under-used, and became a second screen gimmick for most games... and i've imagined more ways to use it, on the gameplay side, than anything they've released so far: almost makes me want to cry...
Plus now, they still think HD gaming is "too expensive" ??? C'mon, how lame is that when they were the last big dev to go for it, and still have billions and billions in the bank after two of the most succesful consoles in videogames history ??? Lame, cheap, and totally out of touch: that's what Nintendo has sadly became these days...
... And this article is the tombstone of me being a nintendo customer....
A console abandoned after 2 years.... Just kept barely alive for milking us...
Really thinking of selling it before it has no value
And why is this worse for Nintendo owners? First people dislike the wii U, now when they say they are in progress of producing their next console WHICH WILL BE AT THE NORMAL CYCLE OF CONSOLES everyone says that news is terrible.
They don't need to rush this, they don't need to expedite it to "catch up" with Sony and MS, and they don't need to kill the wii U.
You people are being ridiculous.
"Hasn't been able to collect a team or resources"?
Dod what all these big companies do, these days and start a KICKSTARTER.
@Artwark All I see in these stories is that nothing is in the works for the Prime series, not Metroid in total. I find it hard to beleive that FF is all that Nintendo has coming for 3ds or Wii U.
@NintendoFan64 and Nintendo, based on reception
DAAANNNNG, sorry guys........ that blows!
Ha, the Wii U is the second Nintendo home console to not have a proper Metroid title (the first being the Nintendo 64). Not only does it not have Metroid, it also lack titles which N64 does have including Pilotwings, Wave Race, F-Zero, and 1080.
Holy crap you people are jumping to conclusions fast.
First of all who's to say Nintendo is killing the Wii U? The NX won't release until 2017 at the earliest which means another 18 months to 2 years of games for the Wii U.
Also remember Nintendo may well have some big titles yet to be announced. After last year they may not have had the resources to accomplish such big hitters this year PLUS they were banking on Zelda being shown so they likely held off other big titles for the time being, only now without Zelda they found themselves without any big games to show.
I am willing to bet we get another Nintendo Direct showcasing new games very soon after E3 to make up for the screw up.
Nintendo, why do you hate us so much
@Quorthon do you think they'll be able to sell a new console if the wider audience hears about how aggrieved the last install base is/was?
Wii U still has Zelda, but after that launches next year, there's likely nothing else. It's the Wii all over again.
This comes as no surprise, seeing as the Wii U's life has all but confirmed to be ending next year.
If they had started three years ago, Metroid Prime 4 could have existed on Wii U.
Nintendo do know that having a different hardware cycle than the competition is going to kill them right? Say NX releases 2017, and say it's more powerful than PS4/XBONE. Sure it'll be great for maybe two years, then PS5 and XB2 comes out and is even more powerful; NX is now the WiiU of the generation.
Less powerful, third parties will make games that are too demanding for the now weaker NX, so no third party again, other than diehard fans few will have reason to buy an NX when the competition has better hardware that will last longer.
You'll be ahead for 2 years, then back in the dust for the next 4. Nintendo screwed themselves over by releasing the WiiU early in the first place.
The worst part about all of this to me is - since I'm not the biggest Metroid fan - is that Wii U seemed to finally, after all these years, getting some sales and some recognition w/ Sapltoon. Wii U is starting to sell. Not great, but neither is PS4 or X1 right now. But Splatoon gave non Wii U owners a reason to take notice. It's the summer of Spaltoon. Now was th etime to capitalize on tat and show peopel at E3 even more reasons to get excited about Wii U. But Animal Crossing board game isn't exciting, and Mario Tennis woudl probablywork just fine on 3DS. And Starfox is a spaceship dog fighting game w/o online multiplayer that isn' twining any graphics awards. And now no Metroid on Wii U.
This is how Nitedo keeps the Wii U Spaltoon momentum going? The Spaltoon UK bundle hasn't even launched yet. Who is going to want to buy it now that Wii U is dead? Remember, this is NINTENDO LIFE, we are the fan boys and fan girls. If we are talking so negatively about the Wii U prospects how is the rest of the industry talking about it?
Spaltoon was a new IP that was gaining traction for Wii U, and Nintendo just flushed all that good will away. Even a price cut is too late now. This was Wii Us final chance, and they blew it. Big time. Memorably so. The fact that people even have to bring up E3 2008 shows you just how bad things are.
@arnoldlayne83 : Keep it for now. If anything, I would hold back when purchasing the NX. I am very cautious about purchasing any new games for my Wii U or about purchasing any new Nintendo console. I suspect they have no plan to lure 3rd parties, and are disorganized as a whole.
@Yorumi - NX is doomed too, numbers don't lie, and the connect-the-dots on this one are to easy to do, and too real to ignore.
Nintendo home console sales in millions:
1983 NES 62
1990 SNES 49
1996 N64 33
2001 GC 22
2006 Wii 101
2012 Wii U 10
2016/7 NX __
Wii sold on the back of Wii Sports, but everybody needs to accept that it was a fluke. Nintendo home consoles have been on a downward spiral since day 1 over 30 years ago in 1983. Go look down that column of #s and fill in the blank. Any elementary school kid would probably pick between 5-8. That's reality. They have the IP, they have the handheld market, but their home console making days are over.
@rjejr : if they have no goodwill with the hardcore Nintendo fans at this point, they are in deep trouble. People can only invest so much time and money into nostalgia and Nintendo, but yesterday was such a kick to the loyal console owner. That's bad business. And considering Microsoft and Sony sold me on their consoles, as well as a lot of Wii U owners, there is no catching up at this point. This eerily reminds me of Sega and the downward spiral to the Dreamcast.
So, this really does sound like NX is a console competitor. The fusion thing scares me, though. Are we going to stay back a generation of graphics again so we'll be roughly 2 generations behind the others?
It is possible that NX is just the code name for two separate but compatible devices. A handheld with one set of specs and features and a console with more console level power. The idea being that it's the first time Nintendo has launched them together and games will be able to work on both.
I'm just thinking that the compromises needed to make it all portable are just going to make it incredibly weak as a console competitor. In 3 years, how is a Wii U level of visuals in Metroid Prime IV going to fly?
I'm not sure where he confirms NX will be a home console.
In 2-3 years smart devices will easily support assets worthy of a PS3 and above, so it still could be a hybrid. If it is a console at all and not a service.
Nintendo "fanboys" writing off the Wii U again over the lack of games from a irrelevant series like Metroid? Lmao, that's hilarious. Lemme just wait for Zelda and Pokken trailers + more Smash and MK8 DLC to come out and everyone will be creaming over the console again. I just hope for the sake of these people that Zelda Wii U turns out to be better than Skyward Sword.
Amen. I couldn't have said it better myself. All that effort they put into finally marketing a game, and it's gone. Just gone. Reggie shouldn't have even mentioned the NX and sure as hell shouldn't have said that horrendous "transform" line. I just spells out Nintendo is done with the Wii U.
Of all places, even the E3 Miiverse community is really upset. Granted you have the typical "Nintendo can do no wrong" people, but largely, so many people are pissed off on miiverse. That is very telling as well.
What they absolutely need to do with the NX is to offer Wii U owners something. Something, anything. Kinda like what happened with the 3DS Ambassador's Program. If you think about it, who bought the Wii U? In most cases, the most dedicated of fans. They cannot push those people away and just say buy the NX. Wii U owners got burned, and they need to offer some kind of compensation, because in their darkest days, Wii U owners stuck by them.
This guy should quit his job, is doing nothing. Get away.
@Yorumi : Agreed. I love Nintendo but there is no way the NX will revive them. They had 10 million console owners that remained loyal through so many hopes and promises with the Wii U. And they turned their back on us yesterday. You can't treat your fans like this.
Honestly, if they can get the NX out by the end of 2016, I'm fine with it it. I love my Wii U, but if quietly killing it means Nintendo catches up with Sony and Microsoft, it's a scarifice I'm willing to make. I got a lot of great games out of the Wii U, so it isn't a waste for me.
But I do think Nintendo needs to get with the times and this is the way to do it. The NX, hopefully it's on the graphic level as XBox and PS4. So hopefully that will open some doors for some third party stuff. And hopefully they drop the gimmicks because, IMO, neither the Wiimote or Gamepad really ever met their potential. So, I just don't think they're nessesary. Just do a normal controller.
Hopefully they push back some of their bigger games so the NX has great launch titles. Starting the system with a new Zelda and Animal Crossing would be such a smart move.
As for the Wii U, they should fill the void with filler stuff. Maybe a few HD remakes of some Gamecube games like Sunshine, The 1000 Year Door, and Luigi's Mansion. Do remakes of Fire Emblem (especially with Ike being in Smash and F Zero GX to test how console versions would do. Then end it with Zelda, which also comes out on NX.
@Yorumi Doesn't help when they already have their biggest handheld fanbase pissed off as well - Pokemon. The Pokemon fan base is still pissed over ORAS and the BS excuses for the lack of the Battle Frontier. That was more Game Freak's fault though. They better hope that the Pokemon fanbase is willing to sweep that under the rug - luckily for them, Pokemon's 20th anniversary is next year, which gives them the prime opportunity to do that.
All talk about the Metroid series after the E3 show has been the worst case of damage control.
Nintendo would do good to have the next Direct as soon as possible, and show whatever Retro is working on alongside footage of Zelda U, and even announce IP's in the works no matter how early in development.
Nintendo needs to prove to FANS their ability to service products that the fans would want. Now there's a deep distrust and we're not really sure what we should expect.
@Mr_Action thank god you don't work at the marketing or sales dept at Nintendo, that's such an horrible idea!
The Reggie comments about transformation are coming into clarity here.
With this evidence I think 3DS and Wii U are being retired over 2016 to make way for new versions of both. But I'm okay with that.
As far as Wii U goes, I've gotten a ridiculous amount of great experiences out of it and am still enjoying it.
This talk of Splatoon and dropping it. What? The game is rocking right now and still going just fine. People buying Wii U right now have tons of experiences to pick up on. The library is full of games that are worth playing through. However, price drop is needed immediately!
There is an awful lot of emotionally charged talk about betrayal and stuff that I don't really get here. 4 years is a short lifespan for a console but I'd rather see Nintendo do something dramatic here than run this console into the ground with a total dry spell like with the Wii. Splatoon, Star Fox, Mario Maker, Zelda and some third party stuff is pretty good for the next 12 months or so the way I look at it.
@Mr_Action Don't worry, Nintendo would have to go out of their way to make their system weaker than the PS4 and XB1 - those systems are actually really outdated. CD Projekt Red maxed both systems out with The Witcher 3.
I personally thought the whole of e3 has been appalling. No new Major announcement from anyone. VR is pointless and redundant within the forum of home entertainment just as much as 3D is. Lauded only by tech geeks and one-up braggers just to have something new and then never use it more than once. If people won't wear glasses to enjoy 3d, why would they Don goggles for another new tech? Never happen.
Uncharted 4 looked good, but looked exactly the same game as uncharted 3, 2 and 1. Not a bad thing, it's just nothing new at all AND it was announced a year ago. People shouldnt be going crazy for it now, they should be saying "why the hell isn't it on shop shelves right now!?"
Everything else was a sequel of a sequel of a sequel.
The only true GREAT things to happen was the announcement of and almost instant funding of Shenmue III.
And for the more astute, who can read between the lines, Nintendo's apparent lacking at E3 actually did nothing but affirm the entire company is currently working on NX Hardware and first party titles. That bad boy will in stores before Christmas 2016.
I guarantee it.
@Yorumi - " It holds true for their portables too."
Yeah, I know about that slippery slope as well, but w/ 3DS sitting around 50mil, I figure they can make another handheld and survive w/ 35 or 40 mil due to lower manufacturing and shipping costs for a smaller device. Maybe even another one after that at 20-25mil. But is it worth it to build a home console looking at 8-10mil trying to compete w/ PS4 and X1? So I don't bring the portable # up as much. Between their own handheld and DeNA I think they can remain a gaming company. Sega still is, Sonic even has his own tv show. So i try not to go all out Ntinedo doom and just focus on home console doom.
VERY disappointing. I was actually having a pretty decent day until I read this. Oh, well.
This is bad, very sad.
@Scizor711 Yes, because continuing to put time, money, and effort in a last gen system is worth anyone's time. What Nintendo is doing now clearly isn't working. They can no longer survive on fanboys alone. If the Wii and Wii U doesn't make that clear, IDK what will.
I would really like to see F-Zero return (like GX) and a new Sin & Punishment. But per my understanding, the last Sin & Punishment on Wii did not sell very well. Which is unfortunate, as it was one of my favorite Wii games. Kid Icarus, maybe. I did enjoy Uprising, but they need to fully adopt dual-analog controls if they do it.
But this E3, once again, rears it's ugly head. I've long pointed out that Nintendo aims to release Zelda, in some capacity, physically every year--and this E3 went one step further by showing a second one for this year, and a second one for 2016. I've also long complained about the ridiculous over-use of Mario, averaging 3~6 Mario-themed titles per year, every year. And sure enough, they stuffed three Mario themed games into E3 for this year, and one other at least has already come out (the Mario vs Donkey Kong one), which is 4 Mario games for 2015.
They are focusing too heavily on Mario and Zelda again, while franchises like F-Zero, S&P, Kid Icarus, Eternal Darkness, Geist, Battalion Wars, Advance Wars, Excite Bike/Truck/Bots, Custom Robo, etc. are, once again, totally ignored.
This is one thing that pisses me off so much about Nintendo fanboys--overly happy to buy anything with Mario, Link, or Pokemon on the cover, oblivious or apathetic to all that is being ignored as they do so. Imagine how much better this E3 would've been if, instead of two of those Mario games, they showed F-Zero and Eternal Darkness. Battalion Wars and Punch-Out. Kid Icarus and Metroid.
I mean, this E3 was all fluff, all filler. They could have, at the very least shown off a couple more HD remakes to pad out this final year! Eternal Darkness, Punch-Out, F-Zero GX, Geist HD! They didn't even aspire to that! Then there'd at least be a colorful variety of titles to look forward to.
It's pretty obvious where Nintendo is headed.
NX is essentially confirmed here to be the successor of Wii U specifically.
No true 3DS successor indicated, but a new venture into smart phones has been announced. Could totally see their smart phone venture expanding if/when it starts raking in massive cash IN LIEU OF a true 3DS successor. Reason being, if the mobile venture really starts flourishing, it renders a 3DS successor pointless and redundant.
@Quorthon Well, at least Chibi-Robo is still a thing, right?
@aaronsullivan totally agree
Their announced output carries the wii u for 12 months, giving us 4 years which is actually amazing for a console with zero third party support.
Nintendo have made it clear that NX is coming at end of 2016.
There are 5 divisions within EAD only 1 of them has announced what they are working on.
Retro Studios are apparently working on nothing.
2 divisions at SPD who are working on "nothing"
And not even a peep from IRD (hardware and peripherals)
The actual big guns at nintendo are far too busy at HQ to make a noise at E3 this year.
Their business strategy was to put an 18 month software stream together supported with third party development. The first party divisions clearly have a way bigger task.......
12 months from now. Make sure you quote me
@MoonKnight7 - Well I'm obviously nto optimistic of NX chances, but if it's backwards compatible w/ all disital Wii U games we've purchased and we can brin gthem all forward to the new hardware via our NNID - it's possible as we have no idea what it is, Reggie probably doesn't know either - then maybe. Thing is. we don't know about the maybe's. Maybe NX is just Wii U 2 w/ a portable Gamepad via WiFi (like PS3 and Vita were theroetically supposed to work) or maybe it's PC hardware. We dont know. But I do feel like we know Wii U games will be even fewer and farther between starting in 2016. I'm fine this year w/ XCX, Yoshi, Skylanders and Lego Dimensions. Starfox and Mario Maker aren't my thing. So no Wii U regrets, but NX hesitancy for sure.
I still don't understand why the Wii U doesn't just have a damn price cut.
And to any of you in here stating you will not be investing in NX due to being spurned on the situation of Wii U. PLEASE. Give me a break. You will be lined up day one purchasing an NX based off of all the hype alone, just as you do every Nintendo console release.
down with the graphics snobs! could you imagine a game adding years to it's development just to have better graphics and in the end the gameplay sucked?
Agreed. It needs to be something like that. It really is the only way to keep most of the Wii U owners on board.
Ppff ha ha ha ha ha!
Oh, that poor franchise. I bought that previous one for the 3DS. I played it once. I probably should've saved my money.
Wow! What did I say yesterday? As if this doesn't solidify it. Nintendo is abandoning the Wii U. If you didn't pick that up from the E3 Nintendo Direct then you are blind. Xenoblade X and Star Fox will be the swan songs for the system. Zelda will be like the Twilight Princess story. I can almost guarantee you that. The Wii U was the biggest disappointment since the Virtual Boy. What makes matters worse is the fact that Wii U is still relatively new. God only knows how Nintendo expects to sell this new "NX" when people just got the Wii U.
What an absolute mess!
Why would I? As much fun I've been having with the U, money isn't growing on trees. Spending hundreds of euros on the U since August 2014, only to start again next year? Nope, not with me.
A part of me wants to think that I will never buy a new Nintendo system after the Wii U, but who am I kidding, I love the games Nintendo puts out. If NX delivers, I'll be there day one.
Hopefully it's not a pitiful pile of disappointment like the Wii U.
The Wii U had some great 1st party moments. I'm certainly glad I bought it as well, it was wonderful while the third party games lasted (for about 1 year, lol, sad). But yeah, I'm in agreement with you, I just can't justify NX just yet. I haven't been this hesitant to buy a Nintendo console before. It's a weird feeling.
I know seriously. They might as well, cause no one is going to go out and buy a regular price Wii U now.
@IceClimbers Well it's easy to max out consoles via large open world RPGs, Monolith did the same with XCX and the Wii U.
I don't trust Nintendo enough to buy an NX, my early adopting days are over. After feeling let down, lied to and ripped off by both 3DS (it did pick up for a while, but now it's a kids toy) and their poor support for the WiiU.
"Game Over Man"
@RantingThespian All this doom and gloom talk huh
@Mr_Action Catches up to Sony and Microsoft for how long though? Only until PS5 and XB2 release, which is roughly 2 years after NX. That's the problem, it's too late to just "catch up", they need to stay on par or pull ahead. NX has to be phenomenal to sway anyone to buy it because as soon as it release people will be thinking "wait, if I just wait a couple of years Sony and Microsoft are gonna release an even more powerful console with all the third party games even better on them" (assuming NX does some who get third party games). NX will be outdated within 2 years.
I highly doubt it lol they said we won't hear anything about the NX til after e3 2016 so yeah they could just announce it and launch it but by their general history I personally think it will be 2017. Tbh even if it does come out late 2016 it won't be the last of the wii u as they normally give it a while before ending it. The wii had some very good games at the end of its lifespan, xenoblade chronicles was one of them.
Honestly, I'm waiting until E3 next year where Nintendo somehow pulls out all the big guns and unveils everything they have been working on and everybody is just left in awe.
This E3 direct was just simple. A little TOO simple. Only one new large Wii U game released? A bunch of smaller scale games such as Metroid, Zelda, AC, and mario maker? I'm guessing they didn't really have anything else ready to show. They DID get negative feedback from showing StarFox last year when it wasn't ready yet, so why repeat that? The NX isn't near ready, the new club nintendo replacement is not ready, Zelda wii U isn't ready, and probably several others.
It does stink that the Wii U is coming to an end, but I'm ready to see where they go with this. I don't understand why people are so upset about them moving on to better and greater things. We first complain the wii U isn't enough, and now we complain when it's about to be taken away.
@Quorthon Watch him become a newcomer for Smash at some point (he probably will - they don't have too many Nintendo characters that are even somewhat "big-name" that they can add without removing Assist Trophy content)
Not doing much to silence the naysayers who suggest they've given up on Wii U, then.
I've got a Saturn feeling today.
"making HD games takes a lot of time and resources. I haven't been able to collect a team or the resources to do it."
Finally someone at Nintendo owned up.
@Ralek85 to be fair what makes splatoon so innovative unique and great is the gamepad.
So Nintendo's 3DS & Wii U games line up for 2015/16 goes a little something like this and people are still complaining about the lack of games & their E3 Digital Event.
Devils Third (Wii U) E
Super Mario Maker (Wii U) E
SKYLANDERS Super Chargers (Wii U & 3DS)
Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer (3DS) E
Disney INFINITY (Wii U)
LEGO Dimensions (Wii U)
Chibi-Robo!: Zip Lash (3DS) E
Yoshi's Woolly World (Wii U) E
Just Dance 2016 (Wii U)
Guitar Hero: Live (Wii U)
The Legend of Zelda: Triforce Heroes (3DS) E
Star Fox Zero (Wii U) E
Pokemon: Super Mystery Dungeon (3DS) E
Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival (Wii U) E
Sonic Boom: Fire & Ice (3DS) E
Mario Tennis Ultra Smash (Wii U) E
Yo-Kai Watch (3DS) E
Xenoblade Chronicles X (Wii U) E
S.M.T X F.E (Wii U)
The Legend of Zelda (Wii U) E
Hyrule Warriors: Legends (3DS) E
Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam (3DS) E
Fire Emblem Fates (3DS) E
Metriod Federation Forces (N3DS) E
Metroid Blast Ball (N3DS) E
Yooka-Laylee (Wii U)
BloodStained (Wii U/3DS)
There seems to be plenty of games coming out in the next 6 or so months guys and gals so stop getting your knickers in a twist, just relax and play video games like a normal gamer should be doing. Also Iwatta did say the Digital Event would only cover games being released this year and for the early part of 2016, also what part of More To Be Announce didn't you haters get?
Sheese gamers these days, they expect everything and still find reason to complain about Nintendo doing things their way. If you want the games that are coming to PC, XBOX ONE and PS4 then buy one of those platforms already you idiots.
If you want to voice an opinion do such without vulgar language.
@Peach64 I actually agree with you for once, it probably is both.
The doom-n-gloom begins anew. Groove to this beat, it's gonna take a while.
Bad news is it's one less game that could be added to the Wii U's library. Good news is though it basically confirms MP 4 and maybe it could even be a day one NX game. That'd be enough to get my launch-day purchase.
I'm genuinely in shock. I thought for sure they would have something in development by now especially after what they said last year. I am extremely saddened to hear this news. Is it because it would cost so much to develop a game of this caliber and the Wii U install base doesn't justify the investment?
I really don't know what to say. I truly did 100% believe with all my heart they had a game and development. Maybe it's just time to face the music- they really actually are wrapping up the Wii U, as evidenced by this lackluster E3 (well, at least for Wii U- 3DS was great).
I've been waiting so long for the next entry in the Prime series. I guess it has been well over a decade since I played the trilogy. Maybe I'll just replace those games because it's been long enough they should feel brand-new again.
At least it's on their minds, unlike F Zero
Really fuelling the fire here Nintendo...
Is this for real? That's BS and you know it, Nintendo! How can one company lack so much tact. If this is about the system's capabilities, since when have Nintendo (or most of their fans) cared about graphics? They haven't for the last TWO generations!
I'm gonna guess what happens next generation: People buy NX for Metroid, but they'll still just make one for handhelds instead (or mobile by that point) because it's cheaper and easier. If they don't have resources or manpower for Metroid now, I doubt that's gonna change with next gen unless there's been some serious retooling within Nintendo.
With Nintendo planning on talking about the NX next year, I'm kind of worried that in, or after 2016, the Wii U will basically be obsolete. I litteraly have only had this system for about a year, since I got it mid 2014. Kind of disappointing but then again, the NX could be like the PS4 or something, with us never having to worry about third party titles. Might as well start saving up now then ;-;
There's no guarantee a Nintendo console will get 5 years. GBC and GBA got less. NES, Wii and DS got longer. Wii U is selling too badly for it to carry on much longer and Nintendo appear to be cutting back severely on support for it. I'd put money on NX being out in 2016.
Thats a poor line up that you're having to pad out with guff like Skylanders and Just Dance. Makes your petulant use of 'idiots' quite ironic.
@LokiOakenshield I honestly think the Xbox One and PS4 will have a longer lifespan, 360 and PS3 both lasted about 8 years. I expect 2021 release for those successors.
You guys do know that if the NX is a console/handheld hybrid then by looking at the massive that I just made, then Nintendo wouldn't have to worry about software droughts that plauged the Wii U for years and Nintendo fans will be getting their wallets milked constantly all year around.
So I guess 2016 will be a quiet year for Wii U. Just sucks no Metriod this generation...
@Samurai_Goroh He's not complaining about the difficulties of developing in HD, he's complaining that he doesn't have enough resources or a big enough team to develop an HD game.
Some may disagree but after Other M, I think the series needed a nice, long break, even if it meant missing an entire console generation. Unlike certain companies who push stuff out yearly and can't tell when a series needs a break and a re-thinking, Nintendo tends to get this. Metroid has its hardcore fanbase but it certainly isn't Nintendo's end-all, be-all either, so it missing in action isn't devastating. This long time off has allowed Other M to become a distant memory and if Nintendo can get this game on the NX either day-one or sometime in the first 6 months of that console, it allows more hype to build for its return. Especially if it's Retro making it.
Well I guess that settles that. I am definitely disappointed about this news though the fact that Metroid never was a huge seller kind of told me that this would happen. Looks like it will be quite the wait for the next core entry in the series.
Yup, confirms that the NX is the next home console and not a handheld as people has been trying to argue.
They're complaining about HD games taking up a lot of time and resources? They really need to keep up with the times.
This news is disappointing. I've not really played Metroid before, but a brand new Metroid game could have been good for getting me into the series.
I wish that Nintendo announced a couple of Gamecube HD Remasters just to give us something more to look forward to for the rest of the year or to make June, July and August more bearable for the gamers out there.
Also the bit about idiots wanting 3rd Party games on Nintendo consoles was me just letting off some steam, if they want these games then they should just buy a X1, PS4 or PC for those games because let's face it these games are never coming to an Nintendo system because nobody buys them (in the quantities 3rd parties want).
So in short Nintendo fans not buying 3rd party games is the reason the developers don't want to release games for the Wii U, likewise Nintendo fans don't like 3rd party games because they are unoptimised, missing DLC, missing features and being released years later when no one cares about them anymore.
@Quorthon : Oh must you tease me with Eternal Darkness? The greatest game I ever played on the gamecube. And Nintendo probably forgot it exists.
A multiplayer party horrorfest with karaoke!
@CreativeWelshman You are so right, some Gamecube HD ports would make the pill easier to swallow, and if they'd been tweaking some things here and there, even better. Sadly, we only got one...
People said I was pessimistic....But I was right: This E3 confirmed Wii U's last year will be 2016. NX out holiday 2016 launching with Zelda U (also on Wii U) and a new Mario.
@Farpun Care to elaborate on that? I found the game to be very innovative outside of the gyro controls, which I do not use, and putting the map on the 2nd screen, which is frankly a pain the behind, but still workable.
@Grumblevolcano No way in hell will developers want the XB1 and PS4 to last that long, especially when they are such outdated tech.
@whodatninja Nintendo fans most certainly care about graphics. The graphics are one of the biggest complaints about the new Star Fox. Even on this site I've seen people say it looks like a GCN/PS2 game.
I appreciate their honesty, but I fear for the safety of their job after making such a comment that may have let the cat out of the bag. Fortunately, they're not working for an American company, that level of honesty about bad technical or organizational situations can easily get employees fired here...
NX will need to be something truly amazing to make me part with my money again.
@CreativeWelshman Completely agree.
Anyway, Nintendo never said they were working on a new F-Zero or Metroid sequel, all of it was just baseless assumptions made by a few delusional fanboys. Fanboys who think ONE game makes or breaks a console, not it's library of games, just ONE damn game. A game from a series, that's never sold too well to begin with.
And in their mind, if that one particular game doesn't come out, that console's current & future game catalog magically disappears.
The lesson they never seem to learn is that you NEVER buy a console for just one game. You buy it for it's game library. That's what smart people do.
@MaverickHunterX You , you keep out of this with your reason , sense and logic !
@Storytime7 I think Star Fox looks... Fine, not great or anything.
Well, that's it for me. Assuming the NX will both replace Wii U and be backwards compatible, I'll probably sell my Wii U.
This generation hasn't been very good for the big N. I only have 5 retail games for Wii U after all this time. Aside from Star Fox Zero, the future Wii U releases look pretty bleak for me; its very saddening.
Here's hoping the NX knocks it out of the park, in every respect.
They were considering the next move for the Prime IP at last year's E3. They were thinking internally about what they could do. And they come up with Federation Forces? They can't even get a single player Metroid game in the works during that time? I am very upset about how they are treating the Metroid franchise and how they treated the overall conference yesterday.
@Samurai_Goroh lol how the hell is he complaining about it? He's simply stating a fact that it takes a lot of time and resources. That's not a complaint, that's telling us it's unreasonable to release a new home console Prime game for the Wii U if they start now.
"Next Metroid Prime Home Console Title "Would Likely Now be on NX""
Lol, I can see the people predicting a new Metroid title on NX every year. "But now its DEFINITELY gonna happen!"
People, it won't happen! Federation force will most likely bomb, killing the series off for good!
Maybe Nintendo will make an FZero drag racing game. Quick 5 second races. People say they want a new FZero...
New FZero game: Captain Falcon's friend repairs broken race cars from Falcon's races. All the intense excitement of the FZero universe in the form of auto repair.
So they haven't even thought of developing it for the past three years? "Dual screen game pad play is a good idea" no s#&$!! Making HD games takes a lot of time and resources? You've got the money so get the resources like every other developer does!
I know i'm being irrational but they're just being ridiculous!
@Quorthon @Yorumi Well, I think we know why Iwata didn't come to E3 - him preparing for an investor's meeting is him preparing for the backlash he's about to receive. We'll see if the board will want him as CEO again by the end of the month.
@Ralek85 I agree with most of what you say, especially the transfer of Wii U digital downloads to the new console and a better ID system, but I do not agree with your comment about no more gamepad stuff, I love the gamepad.
@MaverickHunterX At least 1 million people bought the N64 just for Super Mario 64, since it was an unprecedented title, and there wasn't much else on offer during the launch window... Did that make them dumb for sticking with Nintendo during their time of need, while millions of people were abandoning them for Sony's disc-based offerings?
Or how about the millions of people buying a GameCube at and after launch just for Smash Bros Melee? Were all of those people dumb for daring to go against the grain of overwhelming Sony favor and emerging Microsoft presence?
And how about the tens of millions of people who bought a Wii just for Wii Sports? Were they dumb for trying to reintroduce Nintendo into the popular culture?
The Wii U is the only Nintendo home console that has lacked a killer app in it's launch window, so "never buy at launch" is a new concept for Nintendo fans. We'll just have to see how the NX fares.
Nintendo have ruined Metroid for the last time. After the freak show that was developed by Team Ninja it is clear they have no respect for their loyal fanbase. As for the 3DS fake Metroid game - forget it.
Metroid Prime sold poorly due to no marketing and Nintendo's mismanagement of GCN as always v Halo's we oiled multi million budget hype machine. That is why.
@RetronX I loved Affordable Space Adventure with the Gamepad, and some of it's uses in ZombiU, but other than that ,not much comes to mind at all. Off-TV-Play is nice to have, but not really worth the downsides. I'd rather have the option to stream to the 3DS (successor) for example.
What did you like about it specifically, which game or application/use?
From what I can tell, the number of good ideas that were executed using the gamepad, is in the one-digits, which seems pretty damning to me ;-/
@MaverickHunterX That's true, but when one game could potentially significantly bolster the quality of a game library, the absence of that particular game stings. That's the case with Metroid, which is so utterly perfect for the Gamepad that it's ridiculous that not a single developer could be bothered to work on it.
Metroid Prime 2 came out at the same time as Halo 2 on the Xbox, for me Metroid was as important to Nintendo as Halo was to Microsoft yet we only got the Prime Trilogy and Other M. Look at Halo now, game after game and all of a decent quality. Metroid has been left way behind even though there is nothing else quite like it on any console. Its ridiculous!
@Samurai_Goroh completely agree, I made the executive choice in buying the wii u over the ps4 despite my roommate/ close friend owning one. Honestly we enjoyed the wii u online guest play much more than his ps4 but with no future support and likely a limited support of wii u online play, I can no longer justify keeping the wii u when I could easily trade it all in for nearly the amount I'd need for the ps4. I will always support and love Nintendo but from a far. Until they prove their heavy hitters in this gaming industry I'll move back to Sony( my second time switching from Nintendo to Sony). I still happily own a N64 and gamecube with all the best games for those consoles. I love you nintendo but I feel incredibly burned here...
@CreativeWelshman You're saying the same thing that I was thinking. There was a lot of games revealed, and there seems to be a lot coming out, since we're already half way into this year...plus, they'll announce more towards the holidays, so it doesn't mean that the Wii U is completely dead...at least not yet. They could do 2 things by christmas...announce the NX and say it's coming out very quickly...or announce it and say it's a year to go with it...no matter what, the fanboys are unhappy. I actually thought it was a pretty good E3 show for them.
Starting to wonder if maybe the NX is less a new device than an expansion for the wii U hardware. Not a new console, but a plug-in. Like that little red gizmo that was provided with DK64. Making the hardware upgradable would make sense, we already have 2 tb hard drives swapped in.
'We don't have the resources' - what on earth are Retro working on? Are they just in an office twiddling their thumbs as it seems that way.
So NX might be a console?
The most worrying thing about that statement is that he's basically saying there is NO proper Metroid game in the works at all.
So what are they working on???
What has everyone been waiting for all this time?
@Samurai_Goroh I highly doubt that.....more likely that either have a project unanounced for the NX console as a launch title, OR tried a project that fell through and had to start over. That happens occasionally :3
Very disappointing. NX needs to have some way to be backward comapatible to WiiU even if it is a usb optical drive attachment you have to purchase for extra $. i'm not putting another console on the shelf (if it is a console) unless I can play both WiiU and NX games from it .
@Faruko The vita definitely has more value. Games are released all the time on it, along with most of the best indies.
I really assumed a new mario game was coming out at the very least. Looks like I fall into the category of 2014 wii u holiday sucker.
@Luna_110 I'm less and less sure. My $99 Windows 8 tablet plays a few recent PC titles quite well, and the Vita is essentially a PS3- and both are many years old at this point. Meanwhile, my $190 iPad and even my $80 Android can play XCOM: Enemy Within, and Asphalt faster and better than my PS3 or 360. A handheld might not be at PS4 power yet, but a pocket Wii U? Definitely.
@jeb_leeds Terrible and niche games + indies = nobody cares = sales arre pretty bad.
ipad can play transistor as well where as ps vita.... not so much. Not sure how that happened.
@Mega719 The Wii U is dead come 2015. 2016, we have what, Zelda.... then what?
Nintendo adamantly renewed the trademark for Eternal Darkness--twice--over the past 5 years or so. They clearly know it still exists. I had an outside hope that Retro had been put to work on a new ED game, but that's probably entirely a pipe dream.
Remember there was a rumoured WiiU Animal Crossing game. And look how that turned out 😓
From that link you provided, I followed two more and lo and behold, once again we have Iwata apologizing to fans instead of just doing something right from the beginning.
To think, there was once a point on this site where someone argued with me when I criticized Iwata for appearing weak by choosing to apologize rather than simply deliver. He is still going for apologies over deliveries.
The only possible upside here is that, with such a dismally small E3 line-up, Nintendo must be putting most of their resources behind development for NX and mobile to stack the odds better for that hardware than they did for Wii U and 3DS. And frankly, they really need to be putting all their resources behind NX right now. The Wii U ship has sailed. It still doesn't appear to have even outsold the Dreamcast, and as I predicted, E3 merely showed us the last hurrah for this console as it dips out over the next year.
@ikki5 exactly you don't know yet. NX isn't likely to come anytime soon
@Cyberbotv2 I sure would love a new Eternal Darkness! I think there is clearly a market for that franchise. @Quorthon
But then again, a ton of fans wanted a new true Animal Crossing game for Wii U and look what that got us.
@Mega719 With the Wii U in such sorry shape, both in terms of release schedule and sales, the NX needs to come sooner rather than later. @ikki5
@jeb_leeds Because the Vita was never as powerful as people made it out to be (its not even HD like sony likes to say)
In fact, AMD announced a system with 8 times the power of the PS4 (I dont know the price but thats besides, its the fact that the new consoles arent as powerful as companies made it out to be), not only that, the Nvidia system based on mobile technology has slightly more than 50% the power of the PS4... give it 2-3 years and Mobile technology will have as much power as the PS4/XB1
Can't give is one decent metroid game in 5 years but still put out about 47 Mario games, God Dam idiots
A metroid game spanning multiple planets sounds Amazing. But no stick to one planet..... Because we're fu#king stupid...
Oh metroid prime football, we know that the metroid fans are gonna love that, it's what they have been asking for, for the last 5 years.....
@Ralek85 I agree with most of what you said but have to disagree with the point about the gamepad, because I freaking love it.
I have a little brother who hogs the TV with his XBox so being able to play on my gamepad off-screen is a god send.
A very good point. Iwata dropped the ball four launches in a row, so it's likely they will again with NX.
My outside hope was that Wii U is doing bad enough that they may have actually learned a serious lesson and are working to fix these issues next time. But, Nintendo is a creature of habit, so I suspect your point is all too valid. Without games or third parties, NX will limp out of the gate worse than Wii U.
As much as I want another Prime game I'd be happy with a new 2D Metroid or a remake of the first 3 in HD. Federation Force might turn out pretty well but I doubt it'll sell that much. It seems to have pissed quite a few fans off.
i hope Nintendo don´t make the same mistakes they made with the Wiiu launch. They should release NX with 3-4 killer system sellers like Zelda/Mario Kart/Mario Galaxy. Those 3 games togheter on launch and you win already.
I'm thinking the NX will be a late 2016 - 2017 release date
WOW....just wow even if you arent a metroid fan this shows they dont care. They had teams working on lame games like another mario tennis, federation force that new zelda with the stupid fashion thing rather than one game that really could sell not to mention pushing back zelda U just wtf are they doing?
but now we know dont buy another nintendo console till maybe months later
@Kaze_Memaryu Well, if Yoshio Sakamoto is the main designer, I believe you won't get a new Metroid you'll enjoy.
@DarkNinja9 I have to disagree with you. Nintendo was always open to create new things and go ways other wouldn't go. They have at least the guts to try out something new and that is why I like them for that. This is why I is difficult for me with the PS4, because those games feel like the same stuff over and over again. This is why I have a problem to buy a new Sony console.
But those are spinoffs, they are not new, they were always there and no one forces you to buy them. I'm sure a new Metroid game will come, but until then,we have to show patience, as hard as it sounds. But that won't keep me from buying a Nintendo console, because there will always be a game that I like since I know how Nintendo thinks. Maybe you see this differently, but that is okay. We have different tastes and that is cool. Far from it, it would be bad if we would like the same things.
Noooooooooooooo. The GamePad would be so perfect for her interface.
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