The review is talking about missing English translations and what a shame because there is a fan translation out there. How about Dutch, German, French, Spanish, etc?
The fumiest thing about the game is, that to emphasize the story narrative the game has the screen and characters glitching out all the time. So perhaps those abundant pop-ups are just story related
Overall reviews for Sonic, independent on the platform, are all over the place. I guess it just depends on what aspects a reviewer prioritizes in making their opinion. And that is fine.
Reading between the lines, I'm getting the feeling Nintendo will go experimental again with the Switch successor. Am excited and scared at the same time.
Market saturation is setting in. Not a surprise. There will be only so many that will want to upgrade their OG switch to the OLED. Who knows perhaps there will be an addition to the Switch family or we just have to wait for a real next gen.
Still though the projected 19 million this financial year is still up there. PS5 is projected to sell 18 million this financial year, so it's hardly terrible.
For me personally a digital game is EUR20 max. For a full priced game I need physical, because I can swap, trade or sell it if necessary. It's all about retaining value.
@Sinton Probably a matter of time. I would not be surprised to see an announcement that other European offices will be folded into the new structure in 1-2 years from now. It's a step by step process.
Local entities where established in a different time when sales went primarily through local retailers and there where greater differences in accounting standards between the countries. So these entities where the ones that where the legal contract partners.
With the EU becoming more and more legally cohesive, standardization of accounting practices and cross national wholesale becoming more important, let alone digital sales, the added value of these local entities is getting smaller.
It's not only Nintendo, but it's a trend with all companies (gaming industry or otherwise) to centralize the legal structure in Europe. Local offices will be closed, jobs will be made redundant and contracts with local partners need to be renewed.
PS5 & PS5 Digital outsell the combined Switch family this week in Japan. It's all in preparation of the OLED Pokomon edition coming in. So buyers / retailers are holding back on the Switch models last week.
If the Pokomon edition isn't going to boost sales as expected, then we can see market saturation for the Switch taking form on it's home market.
@yuwarite He put those rules in when? Exactly after the harassment he got in 2014. If you would have actually looked into that it makes sense. You're doing essentially the same. With little information calling him names.
@yuwarite , As far as I am aware, it started after Bayo2 was announced to be wii U only back in 2014. He got a lot questions and hate for it. He tried to respond to it on Twitter in English, but because he's not fluent it was always broken English in a way. So the Twitter Mob, being the Twitter Mob started to make fun of him because of his English. That's why he's picky about it now.
@AlanaHagues Sparks of Hope has not released yet in Japan. It debuts December 2. Probably because Nintendo publishes the game there instead of Ubisoft. So no wonder it's not in the top 10
@spottedleaf petty teft like this has nothing to do with 'being though' or gang culture. These are usually very sad people that believe its a last resort or are addicted. Not defending the thief here btw.
SEGA is the owner of the franchise. If SEGA thought the franchise would be worth $450 million, then Sega would never let Nintendo fund Bayonetta 3 and as a consequence make it Switch exclusive.
SEGA would fund the game itself and have it available for all platforms.
@VinylCreep Platinum has 303 employees and owns no IP for games itself. It's essentially a contract shop making games on other companies IP. I don't think it will be valued at $450M.
A tenth of that maybe, but that's only for a company that has an intimidate shortage of staff. But thinking of it, even that makes not a lot of sense because you can hire them for a project anyway.
@nocdaes A VA is not part of the management team. So no she would not have access to any revenue projections or anything to do with perceived value of the franchise. There is no value for a VA to have access to this information.
Besides why would in preparation of the third game they would talk about perceived value of the franchise especially in a marketing prep for the 3th game? That does not make sense.
At the very best it would be part of the salespitch to Nintendo to fund the game. Which is something complete different. But even so if Platinum would use a number like $450m as a salespitch to get the game funded, Nintendo would not take them seriously. I mean Sega the ip-holder is not interested to fund games for it, would that be the case if they were sitting on a near 1/2 billion franchise?
As for background information the VA gets. she would have access to story boards, the script and planned promotional work. But only after she signed up for the job. Which she hadn't. So no.
@nocdaes Why would a voice actor be made privy to revenue projections? That does not make sense. And if that would be the case, which is highly doubtful, why she not mention it?
Also $450M revenue projected on Bayo3? This is not Splatoon3 we are talking about. If the games sells 2 million copies, it would be the best selling in the franchise and Platinum will be happy.
@Kaldrith Perhaps that is what she did, essentially tripled the number of copies. Still though using the US $60 standard price doe not make sense.
Example, in Europe a EUR60 price includes VAT, so you have to take that out (19-21% depending on country) to get to revenue.
Also you need to subtract the merchant cut from the amount to come to Platinum revenue and obviously the same for the IP holder, which is SEGA.
All assuming that platinum's revenue was correlated to copies sold and is not just a flat fee contracting job for first SEGA, then Nintendo.
In any way the $450M is a gross overestimation of what Platinum's revenue on the franchise was, let alone how much in the end was left as profit, if any profit was left at all.
3000 Pound sterling for the first game, that was 2009. Taking into account exchange rates at that time, it was around $4800 for an unknown amount of sessions in 2009.
Taking into account inflation 3000 Pound Sterling in 2009, is the equivalent of more then 4000 Pound Sterling today. Which in current exchange rates is about $4500.
@RickRau5 I assume you never seen an NDA in your life. It will essentially state that any information about the negotiations is confidential. That includes spreading untruths or half truths.
Yes the Video Game Industry has turned into a Billion dollar powerhouse, but that has a name: Microtransactions.
If you like development of games to become ever more expensive, because pay everybody more more more, then that's the only kind of games you are going to get.
There is something like a reasonable wage for the work you'd do. Sure everybody likes to have a bigger paycheck, but if one cries out 'it's to little', it's not always a reasonable ask.
Hideki Kamiya and Jennifer Hale have been the subject of untold harassment by the twitter mob over this. How many of the twitter mob are going to apologize now to them. Will it be less or more then 1%?
I wished for Hellena Taylor to apologize herself and set the record straight, that would have been the most elegant resolution to all of this. There is still the opportunity to do so.
@Switch_Pro Agree. There is probably a talent agency or some other middle man involved. I don't think Platinum has direct contact with all (potential) voice actors, especially outside Japan.
@BloodNinja "She is standing in solidarity with other voice actors who are not getting paid enough for their talents."
Fair. But why now, not over a year ago when she refused the contract? Why only days before Bayo's release? She likes to see the game sink that's obvious.
@Mince Good points. I could be more sympathetic with her if the franchise was a knock-out financial success, but alas it's not.
Nintendo funded the last game and this one, because they want to diversify their line-up not because It's a money maker. No wonder it took 8 years since the last one. Not a priority, because not a money maker. Just like Metroid alas. We should just be happy these franchises get new entries.
@Mince I checked VGCharz they are pretty good at this. I stated the franchise sold more then 3. It's 3.09 million according to their numbers. I never mentioned Bayo1 alone.
So before you type something like "Just google search and look before commenting.". You need to read correctly.
@Mince The first thing she claimed in her monolgue is that Bayonetta made $450 million profit. That is absurd. Not only because she has no way of knowing, but also since the entire franchise sold a little more then 3 million copies over 12 years. A money maker Bayonetta has never been.
She opened with that to set the stage, as a stage actress she would know. To paint a picture of her against rich company so to harness sympathy. She spread disinformation as a manipulating tactic to get peoples sympathy.
That should cause a red flag, let alone she want to see the work of hundreds of people destroyed that she walked away from.
@Coffeemonster ". Let’s say Bayo 3 makes another $450 million. "
The franchise never made that money not in revenue let alone profit. That she claimed it had, should have been a red flag. It sold 3.09 copies according to VGCharz and no their not selling for $150 a copy. Let alone profit.
It was a manipulation tactic for her to start her monologue like that. "Me against rich company, please support me". Truth is Bayonetta never made much money at all.
The article is written with a tone that is one sided. You have not heard Platinum's official side of the story yet.
It is written in using preconceptions she was underpaid, without knowing how many hours of work is associated with that pay.
You make assumptions that a large sump would be appropriate because the prestige of the Bayonetta franchise, without mentioning it has been doing break-even at best for the last 12 years. A money maker it is not.
You have not mentioned in your question to boycott the franchise, that we are talking about a wish off an individual to destroy the work of 300 individuals over a period of 5 years, even though she was not involved in any of that work.
You have not mentioned that not only did she deliberately tried to manipulate her audience by claiming Bayonetta made
450Million profit, whish is nonsense to any critical thinker, but even copying that claim that Bayonetta is some sort of financial success.
Every one can have their own opinion, but with an article like this some more due diligence can be expected.
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The review is talking about missing English translations and what a shame because there is a fan translation out there. How about Dutch, German, French, Spanish, etc?
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What no Mario Kart?! Great idea though.
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The fumiest thing about the game is, that to emphasize the story narrative the game has the screen and characters glitching out all the time. So perhaps those abundant pop-ups are just story related
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Overall reviews for Sonic, independent on the platform, are all over the place. I guess it just depends on what aspects a reviewer prioritizes in making their opinion. And that is fine.
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Growing pains.
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I've listened to the English, German and French voices up until not. The French one is really good. The English and German one....muh not a fan.
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Reading between the lines, I'm getting the feeling Nintendo will go experimental again with the Switch successor. Am excited and scared at the same time.
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Why is there no paid DLC for Ring Fit Adventure yet? It would be a great success. Oh and put it in NSO expansion pack!
Also in the financial report its says Xenoblade 3 sold 1.7M units. Not bad at all.
Re: The Nintendo Switch Has Exceeded 114 Million Units Sold
Market saturation is setting in. Not a surprise. There will be only so many that will want to upgrade their OG switch to the OLED. Who knows perhaps there will be an addition to the Switch family or we just have to wait for a real next gen.
Still though the projected 19 million this financial year is still up there. PS5 is projected to sell 18 million this financial year, so it's hardly terrible.
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Awesome game, simply put's a smile to my face. When in the beginning that Japanese pop song played I knew it would be something special. And it was.
Re: Nintendo's Q1-2 Digital Sales Make Up Over 50% Of All Software Revenue
For me personally a digital game is EUR20 max. For a full priced game I need physical, because I can swap, trade or sell it if necessary. It's all about retaining value.
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@Eagly
Those cats were fast as lightning
In fact, it was a little bit frightening
But they fought with expert timing
Re: Nintendo To Merge Its European Subsidiaries Into One Big Organisation
@Sinton Probably a matter of time. I would not be surprised to see an announcement that other European offices will be folded into the new structure in 1-2 years from now. It's a step by step process.
Re: Nintendo To Merge Its European Subsidiaries Into One Big Organisation
Local entities where established in a different time when sales went primarily through local retailers and there where greater differences in accounting standards between the countries. So these entities where the ones that where the legal contract partners.
With the EU becoming more and more legally cohesive, standardization of accounting practices and cross national wholesale becoming more important, let alone digital sales, the added value of these local entities is getting smaller.
It's not only Nintendo, but it's a trend with all companies (gaming industry or otherwise) to centralize the legal structure in Europe. Local offices will be closed, jobs will be made redundant and contracts with local partners need to be renewed.
Re: Nintendo To Broadcast Indie World Showcase Later This Week
"Ah I see the Metroid Prime Remaster for this year is true!"
Jeff Grub is hoping clinging to his hair.
Re: Japanese Charts: Bayonetta 3 Debuts In Second As PlayStation 5 Outsells Switch
Switch in its six year is still outselling 2017,2018,2019 numbers. It's down on the 2020 & 2021 numbers but still hugely successful.
in it's six year alone it will not only outsell Wii U lifetime sales, but will get close to GameCube lifetime sales as well.
Hardly anything to be worried about.
Re: Japanese Charts: Bayonetta 3 Debuts In Second As PlayStation 5 Outsells Switch
@NilouSumeru Perhaps, but do Japanese speakers pay so much attention to an English call for a boycott?
Re: Japanese Charts: Bayonetta 3 Debuts In Second As PlayStation 5 Outsells Switch
PS5 & PS5 Digital outsell the combined Switch family this week in Japan. It's all in preparation of the OLED Pokomon edition coming in. So buyers / retailers are holding back on the Switch models last week.
If the Pokomon edition isn't going to boost sales as expected, then we can see market saturation for the Switch taking form on it's home market.
Re: Konami's Earnings Report Reveals A Substantial Profit Drop In The First Half Of 2022
Konami's profits might be down, but there are game publishers out there looking with envy on that 23% operating margin.
Re: UK Charts: Bayonetta 3 Takes The Bronze In A Strong Week For Nintendo
The real quesion is how much did Call of Duty's voice actors got paid
Re: Hideki Kamiya Thanks Nintendo For Helping Make Bayonetta 3 A Reality
@yuwarite He put those rules in when? Exactly after the harassment he got in 2014. If you would have actually looked into that it makes sense. You're doing essentially the same. With little information calling him names.
Re: Hideki Kamiya Thanks Nintendo For Helping Make Bayonetta 3 A Reality
@yuwarite , As far as I am aware, it started after Bayo2 was announced to be wii U only back in 2014. He got a lot questions and hate for it. He tried to respond to it on Twitter in English, but because he's not fluent it was always broken English in a way. So the Twitter Mob, being the Twitter Mob started to make fun of him because of his English. That's why he's picky about it now.
Re: Japanese Charts: Persona 5 Royal On Switch Steals Hearts
@AlanaHagues Sparks of Hope has not released yet in Japan. It debuts December 2. Probably because Nintendo publishes the game there instead of Ubisoft. So no wonder it's not in the top 10
Re: Japanese Charts: Persona 5 Royal On Switch Steals Hearts
@Mythra Yup, probably because Nintendo is the publisher in Japan and not Ubisoft. And Nintendo wants a new December release.
Re: Famous Seattle Retro Gaming Store Has Been Hit By Armed Robbery
@spottedleaf petty teft like this has nothing to do with 'being though' or gang culture. These are usually very sad people that believe its a last resort or are addicted. Not defending the thief here btw.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Bayonetta 3
I've read the Polygon review. There was no score at the end and this is a good thing.
In my opinion you cannot score a game based of how the story ended. Because that's subjective in if you liked the story's writing or not.
You can base a score how the story is told, but the reviewer does not elaborate on that. It's script versus direction.
Re: Bayonetta's OG Voice Actor Responds To Online Backlash In Ongoing Dispute
SEGA is the owner of the franchise. If SEGA thought the franchise would be worth $450 million, then Sega would never let Nintendo fund Bayonetta 3 and as a consequence make it Switch exclusive.
SEGA would fund the game itself and have it available for all platforms.
Re: Bayonetta's OG Voice Actor Responds To Online Backlash In Ongoing Dispute
@VinylCreep And Epic has IP, which Platinum has not, just to add.
Re: Bayonetta's OG Voice Actor Responds To Online Backlash In Ongoing Dispute
@VinylCreep Platinum has 303 employees and owns no IP for games itself. It's essentially a contract shop making games on other companies IP. I don't think it will be valued at $450M.
A tenth of that maybe, but that's only for a company that has an intimidate shortage of staff. But thinking of it, even that makes not a lot of sense because you can hire them for a project anyway.
Re: Bayonetta's OG Voice Actor Responds To Online Backlash In Ongoing Dispute
@nocdaes A VA is not part of the management team. So no she would not have access to any revenue projections or anything to do with perceived value of the franchise. There is no value for a VA to have access to this information.
Besides why would in preparation of the third game they would talk about perceived value of the franchise especially in a marketing prep for the 3th game? That does not make sense.
At the very best it would be part of the salespitch to Nintendo to fund the game. Which is something complete different. But even so if Platinum would use a number like $450m as a salespitch to get the game funded, Nintendo would not take them seriously. I mean Sega the ip-holder is not interested to fund games for it, would that be the case if they were sitting on a near 1/2 billion franchise?
As for background information the VA gets. she would have access to story boards, the script and planned promotional work. But only after she signed up for the job. Which she hadn't. So no.
Re: Bayonetta's OG Voice Actor Responds To Online Backlash In Ongoing Dispute
@nocdaes Why would a voice actor be made privy to revenue projections? That does not make sense. And if that would be the case, which is highly doubtful, why she not mention it?
Also $450M revenue projected on Bayo3? This is not Splatoon3 we are talking about. If the games sells 2 million copies, it would be the best selling in the franchise and Platinum will be happy.
Re: Bayonetta's OG Voice Actor Responds To Online Backlash In Ongoing Dispute
@Kaldrith Perhaps that is what she did, essentially tripled the number of copies. Still though using the US $60 standard price doe not make sense.
Example, in Europe a EUR60 price includes VAT, so you have to take that out (19-21% depending on country) to get to revenue.
Also you need to subtract the merchant cut from the amount to come to Platinum revenue and obviously the same for the IP holder, which is SEGA.
All assuming that platinum's revenue was correlated to copies sold and is not just a flat fee contracting job for first SEGA, then Nintendo.
In any way the $450M is a gross overestimation of what Platinum's revenue on the franchise was, let alone how much in the end was left as profit, if any profit was left at all.
Re: Bayonetta's OG Voice Actor Responds To Online Backlash In Ongoing Dispute
3000 Pound sterling for the first game, that was 2009. Taking into account exchange rates at that time, it was around $4800 for an unknown amount of sessions in 2009.
Taking into account inflation 3000 Pound Sterling in 2009, is the equivalent of more then 4000 Pound Sterling today. Which in current exchange rates is about $4500.
Re: Bayonetta 3 Dev Responds To Voice Actor Dispute In Official Statement
@RickRau5 I assume you never seen an NDA in your life. It will essentially state that any information about the negotiations is confidential. That includes spreading untruths or half truths.
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Re: Bayonetta 3 Dev Responds To Voice Actor Dispute In Official Statement
Yes the Video Game Industry has turned into a Billion dollar powerhouse, but that has a name: Microtransactions.
If you like development of games to become ever more expensive, because pay everybody more more more, then that's the only kind of games you are going to get.
There is something like a reasonable wage for the work you'd do. Sure everybody likes to have a bigger paycheck, but if one cries out 'it's to little', it's not always a reasonable ask.
Re: Japanese Charts: Dragon Ball: The Breakers Pushes Through To Top Ten
According to Japanese COMG retail Pre-order chartz per October 20:
1. Pokomon SV all versions - 738.000
2. Fire Emblem Engage & limited edition - 55.000
3. Bayonetta3 & Limited edition - 43.000
No Sparks of Hope though in the top 20.
Source: https://twitter.com/pierre485_/status/1582858974738919425
Re: Japanese Charts: Dragon Ball: The Breakers Pushes Through To Top Ten
Switch console sales are taking it slow in preperation for the early November Pokomon-Oled blowout.
Re: Bayonetta 3's New Voice Actor Asks Everyone To "Just Be Good To Each Other"
Hideki Kamiya and Jennifer Hale have been the subject of untold harassment by the twitter mob over this. How many of the twitter mob are going to apologize now to them. Will it be less or more then 1%?
I wished for Hellena Taylor to apologize herself and set the record straight, that would have been the most elegant resolution to all of this. There is still the opportunity to do so.
Re: A New Bayonetta 3 Report Features A Differing Account Of PlatinumGames’ VA Pay Offer
@Switch_Pro Agree. There is probably a talent agency or some other middle man involved. I don't think Platinum has direct contact with all (potential) voice actors, especially outside Japan.
Re: A New Bayonetta 3 Report Features A Differing Account Of PlatinumGames’ VA Pay Offer
The story was always a weird one. Especially that rant that Hale was not allowed to sign merchandise. What, why would you mention something like that?
Errmmm, then you realize Taylor gets paid gigs for signing merchandise and doing selfies and so on. Ah well not for long I suppose.
Re: A New Bayonetta 3 Report Features A Differing Account Of PlatinumGames’ VA Pay Offer
@Martijn87, well I did that. In multiple languages even. It was $1000 per HYAA
Re: Talking Point: Given The Voice Artist Controversy, Will You Be Boycotting Bayonetta 3?
@BloodNinja "She is standing in solidarity with other voice actors who are not getting paid enough for their talents."
Fair. But why now, not over a year ago when she refused the contract? Why only days before Bayo's release? She likes to see the game sink that's obvious.
Re: Talking Point: Given The Voice Artist Controversy, Will You Be Boycotting Bayonetta 3?
@Mince Good points. I could be more sympathetic with her if the franchise was a knock-out financial success, but alas it's not.
Nintendo funded the last game and this one, because they want to diversify their line-up not because It's a money maker. No wonder it took 8 years since the last one. Not a priority, because not a money maker. Just like Metroid alas. We should just be happy these franchises get new entries.
Re: Talking Point: Given The Voice Artist Controversy, Will You Be Boycotting Bayonetta 3?
@Mince I checked VGCharz they are pretty good at this. I stated the franchise sold more then 3. It's 3.09 million according to their numbers. I never mentioned Bayo1 alone.
So before you type something like "Just google search and look before commenting.". You need to read correctly.
Re: Talking Point: Given The Voice Artist Controversy, Will You Be Boycotting Bayonetta 3?
@PBandSmelly "This, and coupled with the fact that she was offered leagues more money for the same role in the past"
Do you have any evidence of that? If so, I would assume she would have mentioned that in her video's no?
Re: Talking Point: Given The Voice Artist Controversy, Will You Be Boycotting Bayonetta 3?
@Mince The first thing she claimed in her monolgue is that Bayonetta made $450 million profit. That is absurd. Not only because she has no way of knowing, but also since the entire franchise sold a little more then 3 million copies over 12 years. A money maker Bayonetta has never been.
She opened with that to set the stage, as a stage actress she would know. To paint a picture of her against rich company so to harness sympathy. She spread disinformation as a manipulating tactic to get peoples sympathy.
That should cause a red flag, let alone she want to see the work of hundreds of people destroyed that she walked away from.
Re: Talking Point: Given The Voice Artist Controversy, Will You Be Boycotting Bayonetta 3?
@FishyS "The real question is how much Chris Pratt earned for unenthusiasticly voicing Mario."
Why is the 'real question' what 0.00001% of overpaid actors earn? That is not representative of the industry.
Re: Talking Point: Given The Voice Artist Controversy, Will You Be Boycotting Bayonetta 3?
@Coffeemonster ". Let’s say Bayo 3 makes another $450 million. "
The franchise never made that money not in revenue let alone profit. That she claimed it had, should have been a red flag. It sold 3.09 copies according to VGCharz and no their not selling for $150 a copy. Let alone profit.
It was a manipulation tactic for her to start her monologue like that. "Me against rich company, please support me". Truth is Bayonetta never made much money at all.
Re: Talking Point: Given The Voice Artist Controversy, Will You Be Boycotting Bayonetta 3?
The article is written with a tone that is one sided. You have not heard Platinum's official side of the story yet.
It is written in using preconceptions she was underpaid, without knowing how many hours of work is associated with that pay.
You make assumptions that a large sump would be appropriate because the prestige of the Bayonetta franchise, without mentioning it has been doing break-even at best for the last 12 years. A money maker it is not.
You have not mentioned in your question to boycott the franchise, that we are talking about a wish off an individual to destroy the work of 300 individuals over a period of 5 years, even though she was not involved in any of that work.
You have not mentioned that not only did she deliberately tried to manipulate her audience by claiming Bayonetta made
450Million profit, whish is nonsense to any critical thinker, but even copying that claim that Bayonetta is some sort of financial success.
Every one can have their own opinion, but with an article like this some more due diligence can be expected.