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I'll do the voice acting of Link's character in Tears of the Kingdom for $4K: "HYYYA HYYA HAAAAY HYA"

I'm multilingual so I'll do it for all language options.

@Synthra

Even though your idea of royalties is not a bad one, remember she is only representing one language. Bayo2 had 2 spoken languages and we do not know how many there will be for Bayo3. If I take the other first party Nintendo Switch games as example there could be 6 or 7.

We do know how many written languages Bayonetta3 will support, 10 languages: https://guides.gamepressure.com/bayonetta-3/guide.asp?ID=66764

If you give 1 va royalties you need to give all of them. As mentioned in my previous post, Bayonetta is historically not super successful financially.
Probably Bayo3 will do somewhere around 1-1.5 million copies in it's first year and Platinum/Nintendo will be happy to have covered most of the development cost. I am not sure if 1-3% of revenue, depending on the number of va's, would be a wise move to payout as royalties given the low amount of hours worked necessary compared to other contributors.
Remember Nintendo saved the franchise to diversify its line-up, not because it was a money maker.

@Synthra It's hard to say what is a fair sum.
On the other hand Platinum is not a big company. They have 303 employees according to their website and it's known to have gone through some financial woes over the years.
Bayonetta was never a big money maker for them either. According to VGCharz the franchise sold 3.09 million copies total over all those years. If they pay the English va more then union rates, how about the others. Hellena is not the only one voicing Bayonetta.
It's a small miracle a new Bayonetta game is still being made, only because Nintendo is willing to fund it to diversify their line-up. It's not a suprise the project is on a budget. What if every contributor to the game came out publicly asking for a boycot because they think they would need to earn more forcing Platinum to do so? Then no other Bayonetta game would ever be made, that's what.

@GameOtaku I think backlogrob is still young. His opinions lack nuance, something we learn through the years. We have all been there.

@NintendoGamer86 She started her monologue with a lie claiming Bayonetta made $450 million profit.....

First of all she has no way of knowing. Second of all according to VGCharz the franchise sold 3.09 million copies. Meaning no way that is $450 million in revenue let alone profit. On the contrary the franchise is bearably profitable at all.

So why start her monologue with a blatant lie like that? It's a manipulation tactic offcourse. Pitting herself against the filthy rich company, who would not want to side with her?

@backlogrob Ever considered to start your own business? There is nothing wrong of having moral stands, but there is something like the real world. In politics it would be called Reaalpolitik.

@backlogrob The original Bayonetta on the Xbox360 was cool, but financially unsuccessful.

Sega was abandoning it, shopped around but neither Microsoft nor Sony was interested. Nintendo funded the sequel, not because it was a money maker, but because they saw it as diversifying their line up. A less 'kids game' as to speak.

In all these years according to VGcharz they sold 3.09 copies in total. This is not a money making franchise, let alone the $450 million profit one Helena claimes in her opening monologue.

Perhaps the 3th entry will actually be profitable, who knows. But given Platinums quite public financial woes in the resent years, is it really that strange they try to avoid cost where they can?

The future of Bayonetta as a franchise is on the line. And Helena timing her dismay just days prior to Bayo3 release with the hope of that game failing......It feels like a revenge move fueled by spite. Not ok in my book.

@backlogrob Excuse me? $250 an hour is not to be sniffed at.

Pointing to some 0.0001% of actors that are overpaid does not make your argument work. Some perspective is in order.

@backlogrob It's actually her own words.

Look up her interview with Nintendo Players UK on Youtube, timestamp is around 7:50. There she talks about how much work voicing Bayo was. She says it was 4 days, 4 hours per day. 16 hours total.

Now offcourse could be that Bayo3 would require 5 half days of work, who knows.

See link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1k7Cwr66O0

@Ryan_Again I would not complain

@backlogrob "you have zero understanding about how the games industry or any economy on the whole works at all"

Please explain

@duffmmann Look up her interview with Nintendo Players UK on Youtube, timestamp is around 7:50. There she talks about how much work voicing Bayo was. She says it was 4 days, 4 hours per day. Would Bayo3 be more or less? No idea, but this is probably the ball park.

See link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1k7Cwr66O0

@Crockin I would argue Nier is bigger. Nier Automata alone sold around 6.5 million, where the entire Bayo franchise sold 3.09 according to VGCharz.

@Personausermike Fair. So I did.

Look up her interview with Nintendo Players UK on Youtube, timestamp is around 7:50. There she talks about how much work voicing Bayo was. She says it was 4 days, 4 hours per day. That's all. She repeats it several times.

See link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1k7Cwr66O0

Could you link your research?

@PrincessKatamari I think you realize that's not a realistic comparison.

@El_cochinote Do you always attack people you disagree with personally and call them names?

Having a meaningful conversation, an exchange of opinions and idea's usually is more effective if you leave the name calling out of it.

@El_cochinote This is not about bravery. She could have come forward a year ago, but instead timed it days before Bayo3 release. Calling for the franchise to fail.

It's a revenge move fueled by spite nothing more, nothing less.

@jsty3105. What irks me is that she made it sound like it was minimum wage or something. Also she vented she was in some sort of financial trouble. If so I'm not sure walking away from a $200 an hour gig is the best idea.
It might not be high in the light of the industry standard, but still nothing to sniff at. And Platinum isn't exactly rich on cash. It's her choice offcourse to accept or walk away and I have no problem with that.

But her going public like this only a few days before Bayo3 release, hoping the game will fail..I'm sorry this is just a revenge move fueled by spite. Not good in my book.

@Rykdrew . Not sure how much more goes into it, but she answered the question in an interview regarding the first game:

In her interview with Nintendo Players UK on Youtube, timestamp is around 7:50. There she talks about how much work voicing Bayo was. She says it was 4 days, 4 hours per day.

Now offcourse could be that Bayo3 would require 5 half days of work, who knows.

See link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1k7Cwr66O0

@steely_pete 4 days, 4 hour per day. 20 hours in total. No idea if that contract was also 4K or not, but assuming Bayo3 would be a similar amount of time $200 an hour does not sound that bad to me.

@Fath. You make good points, but the GTA comparison is not a representive one because of GTA online. Most of their revenue is micro transactions and games of a service nowadays with that series. Bayonetta does not have something similar. Given the claim is 3 times the best estimate, I would not say it's in the same ballpark, let alone the difference between revenue and profit.

That said though, no she is probably not a financial expert and certainly would not know the real numbers behind the series. It is known though that the franchise has not been particular profitable. Nintendo essentially saved it to diversify its line up, not because it's a money maker. Reports of Platinum games not doing so well financially have been resent over the years.

Is $4K reasonable? I do not know. How much where the previous contracts? How much does the Japanese VA make? Or any other language VA's. I have no idea. I'm irked though she waited to voice her anger publicly only days before Bayo3 release. Essentially feels like a revenge move. In my book that is not ok.

@Fath . According to VGCharz it's 3.09 million for the entire frachsise. So $450 million profit is not plausible at all.

source:
https://www.vgchartz.com/games/games.php?name=bayonetta&keyword=&console=&region=All&developer=&publisher=&goty_year=&genre=&boxart=Both&banner=Both&ownership=Both&showmultiplat=No&results=50&order=Sales&showtotalsales=0&showpublisher=0&showpublisher=1&showvgchartzscore=0&showvgchartzscore=1&shownasales=0&showdeveloper=0&showcriticscore=0&showcriticscore=1&showpalsales=0&showreleasedate=0&showreleasedate=1&showuserscore=0&showuserscore=1&showjapansales=0&showlastupdate=0&showlastupdate=1&showothersales=0&showshipped=0&showshipped=1

@Kienda , why do you think $450 million profits? The franchise sold about 3.09 million copies max. Last time I checked they were not selling the games for $200 a piece or had micro transactions in them.

Nintendo had to literally save the franchise and did so to diversify its line up, not because the franchise was making money.

source VGcharz:
https://www.vgchartz.com/games/games.php?name=bayonetta&keyword=&console=&region=All&developer=&publisher=&goty_year=&genre=&boxart=Both&banner=Both&ownership=Both&showmultiplat=No&results=50&order=Sales&showtotalsales=0&showpublisher=0&showpublisher=1&showvgchartzscore=0&showvgchartzscore=1&shownasales=0&showdeveloper=0&showcriticscore=0&showcriticscore=1&showpalsales=0&showreleasedate=0&showreleasedate=1&showuserscore=0&showuserscore=1&showjapansales=0&showlastupdate=0&showlastupdate=1&showothersales=0&showshipped=0&showshipped=1

When she was upset when receiving the offer and felt she had to voice so publicly, she could have at the time.

Doing this only days before the game's release feels like an act of revenge and purposely designed to hurt Platinum games and all the people who worked on the game for years, of which 99.9% have nothing do to with payment negotiations. Including the new VA she even calls out for not earning the job.

Revenge is never a good thing. I say again if she felt the need to voice her concerns publicly she could have done so a long time ago. This lady is not in a good place and it's not because of the offer she got, there is more trouble in her life. I hope her the best, but this purposely designed sabotage act is not ok.

Sounds to me she was already in a bad place independent of this job. I mean 'mental health issues' for not being able to agree on a pay check?

Also I like to know how long the job would take. A week maybe? 4000$ is not bad for a week's work.

Gourmet Race is a clasic. But Jump Up Superstar was the only time ever I shed tears in a Mario game. The build up, those 2D sections, the finale. Perfect. What a moment, I'll never forget it.

Still 60K plus Switches in just a week is nothing to sniff at in it's 6th year.
I expect sales will explode again early November when Pokomon S/V Switch comes out.

@Rob3008 , ah you just beat me to it.

"which means the game has now sold 3 million copies — that doesn't include physical sales, however. Geez."

I think you mean digital, "doesn't include digital sales"

, Sorry don't want to be a pain.

I cannot put a finger on it, but somehow this game looks less enticing then Boyonetta2.
Is it Bayo's new hairstyle, the colour scheme of the enemies? Mmmm not sure, I'll be waiting for reviews before I decide to pick this one up.

@Ryu_Niiyama , agree. And since the contractor actions led to this being so public it will not be easy for this individual to get hired by anyone else. Anyone with a google search now knows of the confidentially breach.

So the contractor breached confidentiality rules, complained he was fired for another reason and got a low pay-out. Case closed.

When the Switch2 arrives in 2025 (we get a Light Oled in 2023 first) it will be a hybrid. The new gimmick is more camera's so to have games using virtual reality.
At least according to my crystal ball, but it may be broken.

10/10 for the cosplay effort.

@Sequel , Agree. I think it's a nice little easteregg with Bayonetta3 coming this month.

I don't see it. Mario looks like Mario in this movie, unsurprisingly.

Mario is clearly a normal guy dropped into a fantasy world in this movie. It makes sense to have his voice be more 'normal' sounding then over the top colourfull. That's where the other characters come into play.
From the little bit that I've heard I think it will work out fine.

Sounded like Rodin from Bayonetta.

Great Star Wars opening. Looked great.

Calling it 'The Super Mario Bros' instead of 'The Mario Bros' movie is Super Switch confirmed!

Loved the trailer.

Since the start of the Switch' life, every year it did approx 1.6 million in the last 2 months of the year in Japan only.

Would be amazing if they can do it again in 2022, it's six year.

This looks like a nice 3DS game

Nothing wrong with it. Now I'm just waiting for the Dino-Goombas.

The plot revolves around Mario getting his butt back.

Wait till they reveal the missing mustache

I never felt confortable playing a first person game. I've known that since the days of the N64 with Turok or Golden Eye. I would wish so much Valve would make a 3th person version of Portal. because this game is right up my alley.

"Reckon Splatoon 3 will pass 3 million copies sold in Japan by next week? Share your predictions in the comments below!"

It already did. Nintendo's press release stated that in the first 3 days Splatoon3 sold 3.45 million both retail and digital.

Therefore, the question should be if Splatoon3 will sell 3 million retail next week.

@23BFahey3, yes these are retail/physical only. Nintendo issued a press release saying that Splatoon3 sold 3.45 million copies both digital and physical in its first 3 days in Japan only.

The article should say 'Closing in on 3 million retail (or physical) sales in Japan' to be more accurate.

Given that in we can deduce that in the first week Splatoon3 sold about 1.5 million copies digitally I think it's fair to say sales in Japan are now somewhere between 4.5- 5.0 million total.

That contracter was employed and paid by the contract firm he worked for. And subsequently fired by that contract firm for inproper behaviour at their client which is Nintendo. I still have no idea how this could be Nintendo's wrongdoing or how Nintendo needs to the topic of this article.