Hideki Kamiya Thanks Nintendo For Helping Make Bayonetta 3 A Reality

Thanks for the game, every dev and artist that worked on it.

Still have the original on my 360.
Also bought it on Wii U.

Been playing it every night. I adore the new changes.

I'm so glad that no controversy occured during it's development. Yep, none whatsoever. :3

I think I should give this game a chance.

Before the Wii U, I don't think anyone would have even considered Platinum and Nintendo working together. But looking back at it now, it's been one of the most fruitful partnerships Nintendo's ever had. Here's hoping it continues on well into the future.

Yup, so glad Nintendo saved this series. Playing Bayonetta 3 now reminded me how amazing the combat is in this series.

Got into Bayonetta on the Xbox360 then of course number 2 on the Wii U and now about to pick up number 3 on the Switch. A fantastic combat series.
Let’s hope Platinum and Nintendo link up on another new game adventure.

Got the feels for Platinum. They've had a rough run lately.. they needed this.

Only played through Bayo 1 myself so far but yeah great series just as good if not better then DMC

Going forward I wonder if nintendo could help fund other projects of theirs? Could be a similar relationship to what Rareware had and become an inhouse company

@Doktor-Mandrake oh HUNNY…Bayonetta is so far above and BEYOND DMC…like, BYE 👋🏽
💋👠🦋🔫

I still have my Wii U Bayonetta two pack set! Despite the bad rap it got i still don't regret owning mine and i still play it occasionally. Most underrated console ever i think. You wanna talk crappy consoles how about Atari Jaguar or Sega saturn. Wii U was in reality quite a good system aside from a few nitpicks with the gamepad.

Congratulations on Bayonetta 3 and the whole series on Nintendo for that matter! Now please people stop asking for Bayo on other consoles. It ain't gonna happen. She belongs to Nintendo now and rightfully so!

@Jhena definitely. If you have a Switch, of course check it out. If you don’t like it, it will hold good resale value, so you can get most of your money back if you sell it

Really hope this game sells well enough for another entry. Kudos to the people and corporate supporters who believed in this group all the way through even giving them exposure like in Smash Bros.

For a game announced 5 years prior, the patience Nintendo has shown for the Bayonetta devs is praiseworthy. Rarely do I see companies believe in second chances for titles in these tough risky financial spots and I'm happy to see when it pays off like this and the Xenoblade series.

Bayonetta 3 is absolutely fab. 1 and 2 are also bundled together in a single game's purchase worth for the Switch so give the series a shot y'all.

@Pikaboom maybe that's why Dante cried after all 😭

@Doktor-Mandrake 😝

inb4 game goes multiplat...

Platinum games have about 300 employees
Company would be a great addition to Nintendo studios.
Moving forward to Nintendo’s next console of course it will be probably hybrid and more powerful, there will be graphical, sound and AI expectations etc, which as we know take more development time going forward, having platinum aboard would really help.

This game deserves the spotlight, after what the actress tried to do to it, congratulations to all the writers artist, programmers, translators, composers, model artist, and many more for this success.

Maybe there's some higher ups at Nintendo who have taken a liking to Kamiya? At any rate, I'm glad they greenlit the project since Bayo 3 is absolutely amazing and was definitely worth the wait. Always been a fan of these kinds of action games ever since I played Devil May Cry 4 and I look forward to what this partnership between Platinum and Nintendo will deliver us in the future.

@Truegamer79 that sounds like a person who never owned a Sega Saturn or if they did, didn't own the right games

I wish we saw more of this Kamiya than the usual Angry Twitter Kamiya

The fact that we have on Switch the Bayonetta trilogy, Astral Chain and Nier Automata is AWESOME. Must-have games the 5 of them and fantastic additions to the Switch library.

Got the 1+2 physical bundle day 1 for Wii U but didn't get far because I found 1 too hard. Then got the 1+2 Switch bundle day 1 and got through both games later that year (played 1 on Easy and 2 on Normal).

Fantastic games and Bayonetta 3 turned out even better, really hope the game does well enough for Nintendo and Platinum's partnership to continue.

@Runo the good news there is Nintendo's bar for a "success" is a lot lower than other publishers who demand millions and millions, 250,000-1 mil seems to please Nintendo.

@Anachronism I'd say the same for Platinum. Out of Platinum's partners, Sega, Square, Activision, Microsoft, Nintendo, etc, Nintendo has easily been their best partner. They may have had their biggest game with Square, but Babylon's Fall was an absolute mess.

Given that the new Vice President of Platinum is a higher-up from Nintendo I think it is highly likely they'll continue working with Nintendo. That kind of personnel movement is far less common in Japan.

Only issue now is the port-begging from everyone else who demand it on a 'more capable' platform facepalm - especially in light of the Digital Foundry analysis

@steely_pete You're right - stakeholder relationships would've been another key part in getting this game greenlit and off the ground

Thanks to nintendo, platinum, and all of the people that made this game, my (physical) game arrive yesterday, can't wait to try it tonight 😃

Also I'm glad nintendo didn't have "the game has to sells 10M or more" mentality for every game they make, that's why we still have great games like bayonetta, astral chain, xenoblade series, metroid dread, and others.

I definitely hope to play some of it today. I sadly had work yesterday, and was just too tired to play when I got home.

@Morph Agreed, I loved my Saturn, so many great games - Panzer Dragoon Saga, Shining Force III, Dragon Force, Guardian Heroes... I could go on... and on!

@Morph

Okay ya got me. I never owned a saturn but i didn't know alot of people who did. I had a friend once who let me borrow his but all i remember playing on it was Panzer dragoon.it was alright. When people express outright Hate or disgust for Wii U i usually say the same thing about them never owning one. Yeah it had it's problems but there's been far worse consoles of all time.

First off, I feel more than a little manipulated by the VA who was (at best) less than honest in creating the controversy about this game. I was a fool to start speculating based on her testimony alone.
So my apologies to Kamiya-san and the rest of the dev team. I hope Bayo 3 is critically and commercially successful enough to erase the unfortunate drama that preceded its launch.

Secondly, @Truegamer79 , I loved my Saturn and you can’t trash it like that! It was really quite an awesome console while I was living in Japan. I loved it AND my Wii U - I’d say both were quality consoles with some great games, they just lacked mass-market appeal.

You and I are of an age and so I’ll give you a free pass this time, but please please repent before the Sega faithful come after you! 😜

Edit: too late, you already repented as I was tapping away in my phone. 😅

Platinum were always king when it came to their hack n slash combat. Metal Gear Rising, Bayonetta, Nier Automata.
I have so much on my plate at the moment to play Bayo 3 but I definitely plan on getting it.

@RudyC3 Nintendo owns the sequels. Sega still owns the original. Nintendo isn't in the habit (currently) of releasing games outside of their own hardware nor have they mentioned going full 3rd party like Xbox. If the game goes multiplat, it'll be when a new Nintendo console comes out and they port it.

@Teksetter

Yeah the whole voice actor debate was pretty childish and trying to get fans to boycott it because she was butthurt was even worse. I say good riddance if she's gonna have that attitude about it.

As for the saturn there was a time when i thought i wanted one. It had a cool name! Sega had a way with naming their consoles. Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast! All pretty awesome sounding. It's just a shame they ran out of money and everything kinda fell apart.

I still play the occasional sega game. They certainly deserve their place in gaming's history.

@jsty3105 ignore port beggars. These are the same people who will say "I'd play Mario and Zelda if they came to ______". They wouldn't. Why do I know this? Because if they actually wanted to play those games they would have gotten a Nintendo a long time ago instead of whining. I'd love to play Gears of War on PlayStation, because it's the only thing Xbox has that's worth a damn, but guess what? I have an Xbox to play that series. Now that Xbox has gone 3rd party though it's highly likely we'll see a trilogy collection on new platforms as this is a realistic probability now.

But he will block anyone from Nintendo that replies to him in English. Guy is a bit of a manchild.

@yuwarite , As far as I am aware, it started after Bayo2 was announced to be wii U only back in 2014. He got a lot questions and hate for it. He tried to respond to it on Twitter in English, but because he's not fluent it was always broken English in a way. So the Twitter Mob, being the Twitter Mob started to make fun of him because of his English. That's why he's picky about it now.

@Truegamer79 I enjoyed my Wii U, it was short on games but the games it did have I felt were excellent. I don't really play it much anymore because most of the best games received Switch ports. In fact the biggest use for my Wii U now is playing wii games with the superior HDMI out.

As for the Saturn, it was such an underappreciated console.

Virrtua Fighter 2, Fighting Vipers, Fighters Megamix
Sega Rally, Daytona USA
Shining Force 3 (all 3 parts), Shinng Wisdom, Shining the Holy Ark
Panzer Dragoon 1, 2, Saga
Virtua Cop 2, HOTD
Nights, Burning Rangers
Virtual On, Marvel vs Street Fighter
Radiant Silvergun

All make my best games of all time list

The Jaguar on the other hand was absolute muck 😂

@Morph

My wii U has become my modding station. I got into modding a couple years ago I've been having some fun with that. I guess i never got the chance to really get to know the saturn library. By the time i thought i wanted one it seemed like they just vanished. I knew that one friend i mentioned who had one and he was so bored with it he let me borrow it once.

Are there any really good saturn games that you still can't play anywhere else? I've heard of a few of the ones you listed.

@RudyC3 That is like saying “inb4 Mario goes multi-plat”. Not happening. Even when they recently reported Bayo 1 to more platforms Bayo 2 is still a Nintendo exclusive to this day and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out why.

Stuff like W101 going multi platform was a complete outlier [in PG own words is not something to happen again in any rational scenario] because the game was so unsuccessful that Nintendo didn’t care that PG wanted to kickstart for more platforms.

Meanwhile they have a tight grip on anything owned they have remotely successful like Bayonetta. They even own Astral Chain now because it was PG’s best selling Nintendo Switch exclusive [remains to be seen if Bayo 3 beats AC though]

@Tober No, if you actually look in to it, he blocks people for far more reasons than that. Some have called his Twitter persona a game or an act, like what heels in Wrestling do. But the problem is when he uses that act in the worst possible situations, for example during the Helena Taylor situation, which made him come off like a massive idiot. Many people in the games industry even said, 'now's not the time to be doing your weird Twitter shtick about blocking people' but there he was. Manchild, like I said.

@martynstuff maybe if less twitter crazies stopped with the death threats and port begging because they got mad that a videogame became exclusive he would be a lot more approachable. It happened with Bayo 2, Astral Chain, and happened again with Bayo 3

@yuwarite lmao the irony of you calling him a “man child” when he ended up being right about that whole Helena fiasco including the classic twitter crazy responses defending Helena to him at the time.

There are better example you could have picked for your “Kamiya is manchild!” argument.

@Truegamer79

I'm not entirely sure many of those have had re-releases at all.

I know for certain Panzer Dragoon Saga, Shining Force 3 (only the first game got an English translation although parts 2 and 3 have fan translations now), Shining the Holy Ark, Shining Wisdom never have been re-released on any platform.

I think a few of the other may have had relatively poor ports to PC, but typically due to how hard it was to port to/from and emulate, very few Saturn games have ever been re-released.

That and my Dreamcast are probably my two collections I will never part with.

Bought Bayonetta 1 & 2 for Wii U day 1 but never got around to playing them. Also bought both games for Switch day 1. Finished Bayonetta 1 this morning. Challenging game on normal mode, but I enjoyed it.

I'll start Bayonetta 2 today. Hopefully it will be a little more forgiving lol.

Bayonetta 3 Masquerade Edition is sitting pretty on my shelf. I hope it sells well and we see a Bayonetta 4 someday...

@yuwarite He put those rules in when? Exactly after the harassment he got in 2014. If you would have actually looked into that it makes sense. You're doing essentially the same. With little information calling him names.

@RobynAlecksys @Arawn93 Nintendo also owned Project Zero/Fatal Frame 4 & 5 and that didn't prevent them from letting these go multiplat in the end. Bayonetta itself is not owned by Nintendo, it's jointly owned by Sega and Platinum Games, Nintendo just happened to finance 2 & 3, just like they did with Project Zero 4 & 5

@roboshort Definitely. That one Miyamoto quote might be apocryphal, but it's still a pretty accurate description of Nintendo's approach to game design. As long as they have faith in a project, they'll give the team all the time and resources they need to make their game shine. It seems like Bayonetta 3 has even inherited some of Scalebound's spirit with the new demon mechanics.

@abe_hikura Nintendo bar for success is much lower cause it chump change to develop for the Switch, and Nintendo actually make profit from the sales of their hardware. No booming development cost and subsidizing $600+ hardware.

@RudyC3 Again outliers. Explain why Bayo 2 hasn’t been ported in other platforms that isn’t Nintendo? Or Astral Chain before Nintendo just outright bought it?

Fatal Frame series didn’t sell super amazing either prior and was actually stuck in Pachinko hell before the recent ports so again can understand why Nintendo didn’t care KT wanted to port on more platforms.

No Nintendo obviously doesn’t own Bayo series, but they financed Bayo 2/3 which is a big deal on platform picks. It’s definitely not a “time limited exclusive” considering the years since Bayo 2 dropped.

It’s different then Atlus arbitrarily deciding not to port P5R for years until Sega just did it themselves because Sony didn’t finance Persona 5 like they did SFV.

Speaking of SFV why is that not on Xbox platforms but SFVI will be? Sony isn’t bankrolling a new SF game this time so Capcom has more freedom to choose where they launch their games now. Same reason why PG has AC/Bayo 2-3 on Nintendo platforms.

Sure it could still happen in the distant future just like Nintendo deciding to port their games to PC, but neither one of those are close to probable

It's funny how the Bayonetta amiibo has a Sega copyright on it (yet no Platinum copyright), but Sega wants nothing to do with this series. Meanwhile, Nintendo shows nothing but love for Bayonetta.

Sega's like the dad who left to get milk and never came back, while Nintendo is the stepdad who stepped up and loved the child as if it was their own.

So there’s bayonetta 3, xenoblade chronicles 3, splatoon 3, luigis mansion 3, shenmu 3, kingdom hearts 3, it’s not fair where’s mega man legends 3, im really annoyed about this, everyone gets their 3rd game but yet I didn’t get megaman legends 3, that is so not fair, especially since we megaman fans have been waiting the longest

given the good partneship of Platinum Games of Nintendo, don't be suprised if one day Nintendo anounce Platinum Games is the next subsidiary for Nintendo, Nintendo has noticed they needed a more mature franchise in her portofolio and pratically adopted Bayonetta as a franchise,good for everyone, Bayonetta 2 is a masterpiece and soon i gonna buy Bayonetta 3.

Until he blocks them, too...

Thank you Nintendo tor taking a chance on this series.

Someone: But didn't you call Nintendo overly strict and-
Kamiya: NO! LIES! ALL YOU GO TO HELL!
Blocks 1,000 people within 10 minutes. Including people who asked politely to clarify or explain.

I'm going to explain something and I hope people don't take it the wrong way (who am I kidding they will). There is a big difference between being a port beggar and people who support multiplatform releases of once-exclusive games.

The latter tend to be people like me who while want to play a game don't really want to go out and spend $500 on a console I'll probably play three to five games on (I'm so sorry Xbone, you were a neat piece of hardware, but I could not justify owning you just for Halo 5, Gears 4 and Rare Replay). That and it is nice to see people enjoy games that I love! i.e. it was awesome to see PC gamers really enjoy Spider-Man and God of War (2018) last year. And I'm sure if Nintendo ever wants to release Bayonetta 2 and 3 on PC (this is a Nintendo decision) it would still be rather cool to see people enjoy those as well.

Now, port beggers are people who go to every comment thread possible and complain about a game not being on their platform of choice. And in the case of Bayonetta, kept annoying Kamiya so much which is why he started blocking people in the first place. He got so sick of explaining why Bayonetta 2 was on the Wii U he legit just started blocking people. And there have been other developers who have received legit death threats over just being on a dev team for an exclusive. Some people are that crazy.

So, there is a huge difference between someone wanting to see more people enjoy a specific game and people who legit pester devs so much that it becomes harassment. For the record, port beggars are just as annoying as the exclusive champions. I'll save that for another discussion,

Since the beginning. Played it on ps3 and always wondered why it didn’t get same level hype as gow. It’s far better gameplay wise and gow only as the story/mythology going for it.
Everyone was upset when bayo 2 was picked up by nintendo for a failing system. I still think that bayo 2 is one of the best in the genre. Any hype the 3rd game had for me is almost certainly a let down, I did not pick it up yet, as that would require me to put down elden ring and my steam deck

@Morph I agree that the Saturn was a solid system, but I also agree with @Truegamer79 that the WiiU is woefully underrated. It's such a shame. The only real issue with the system was the branding & marketing - otherwise it's brilliant!

@BrianJL

I'm glad I'm not the only one who knows the Wii U deserved more love than it got. Yeah the name was awful and the marketing was seriously lacking but don't throw it in the dirt pile with the rest of the mediocre consoles. There's been much worse. At least it lasted a good 5 years which honestly is standard for most Nintendo systems anyway. It certainly was on the market and still being produced far longer than Saturn, Atari Jaguar or virtual boy.

@Tober Let's go back to my original comment:

"But he will block anyone from Nintendo that replies to him in English. Guy is a bit of a manchild."

One of his "rules" is to block anyone on Twitter, that replies to or sends him a message in English, correct?

So by that logic, if someone from Nintendo (or elsewhere) were to congratulate him in English on Twitter, or just be congenial with him for what ever reason - by his own rules - doesn't that mean he will block that person?

So with that said, with the fact he will block someone, simply because they wrote him a nice message but it was in English; I think it's perfectly within my reason to call him a "manchild" for that, because I think it's ridiculous.

You can defend him all you want, and that's your opinion, and you are entitled to it. But you haven't done anything to convince me otherwise.

The only thing I hate about this, SEGA also gets money out of this IP, I get that is their IP but still, they were the first ones to abandon it when it didn't succeed the firts time

At least they're grateful, unlike somebody.

@yuwarite it depends. I've PMed him on Twitter before expressing thanks after finishing Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2 back in the day and he sent a very nice message back. It all depends on his mood, the tone of the message and whose messaging him. If it's a Nintendo rep he'll probably be very respectful.

He's just very busy and has openly been vocal about needing a translator for English messages. He blocks people who ask him questions in English probably for the same reason he blocks a lot of people on Twitter... They waste his time. But, for all respects he's a very kind dude, just has a short fuse at times when people don't respect his rules. That and it's more a Twitter persona than him in person. In person fans have said he's very kind and generous with his time.

Edit: for context he's very accessible on Twitter in comparison to other Japanese devs. And he's been known to like posts by fans of his games (provided you don't tag him unnecessary). He probably uses Twitter mostly for networking and to monitor responses to his works.