Genuinely, unless Nintendo reveals some really awesome expandability feature of this thing, like a proper VR headset that it works with or something like that, I'm extremely disappointed with Nintendo's next-gen Switch "2" here. All I see is basically a Switch 1.5/Pro.
Yeah, as someone who's not played the game, I don't see why the few things in that trailer would be a massive deal to know about. I mean, I know nothing of the game, and all I really know now is--SPOILER--it's about some dude doing stuff to make people/girls scared or smile for some reason. Surely most horror movies and games give enough away in trailers and previews to let people know it has some baddy/baddies doing bad things for whatever reasons. If that's the game ruining spoiler of this trailer, that's just weird that the game's concept is so basic and obvious that even knowing that much is too much.
I'll still waiting to see anything that truly justifies the "2" label on this "next generation" Nintendo console. So far, how is this not just a Switch Pro or Switch 1.5?
@Nintendomatt64 Surely at this point it has to be basically guaranteed that it looks pretty much identical to all the leaks if all these companies are making cases for it and such. I mean they can't just be making entire product lines on pure guesswork with the chance the final thing won't even fit, right. I have to imagine we're all seeing basically the exact Switch "2" at this point. Now, whether that means there's anything remotely more exciting about it than what we're seeing externally is another question, but right now I'm totally underwhelmed if this is the Switch "2" to be honest. It's the most by the numbers and least existing "next generation" of Nintendo console ever created based on what I'm seeing. In fact, it's so safe to the point I think it might even flop, because I just don't see where the new audience for this thing is, and I expect only a fraction of current Switch owners would give enough of a crap with the changes we're seeing here to bother to upgrade to the newer model. How many people have bought a Switch OLED vs the original. I expect even less to get a Switch "2" at this point, or maybe a little more if Nintendo can really convince people it's worth getting a model with a bit more power basically.
Maybe it's because of the original detachable Joy-Con that the actual default Switch [Lite at least] isn't very ergonomic, but I really feel it needs to be made far more ergonomic with big grips on the "handles" like this. My wife has the Switch Lite, and my God it's not comfortable to hold and use. It literally almost slipped out of my hand the other day because it doesn't have a natural grip position that supports the bottom. Putting my pinkies under it like I do with the ModRetro Chromatic for example just doesn't seem to feel natural or comfortable. The Switch [Lite at least] is such a weird design, and imo far below the standard I expect of Nintendo. A lot about the Switch [Lite at least] really disappoints me.
And, note, this list has been adjusted to reflect a balance between historical significance, critical acclaim, and influence within their respective genres and platforms, considering both individual console rankings and aggregate scores, and it also combines results of countless other such Top/Best 100 Games of All Time lists that already exist online along with a few tries Grok came up with initially and then refined by putting it all together ultimately.
I think it's a pretty good list actually.
And nine SNES games made it on there, which I think sounds just about right.
Here's a Top/Best 100 Games of All Time list I Grok'd the hell out of multiple times to get to the final result:
1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 1998 (N64)
2. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - 2015 (PC, PS4, Xbox One)
3. Super Mario 64 - 1996 (N64)
4. Tetris - 1984 (Multiple)
5. Minecraft - 2011 (Multiple
6. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 2017 (Switch, Wii U)
7. Half-Life 2 - 2004 (PC)
8. Red Dead Redemption 2 - 2018 (PS4, Xbox One)
9. Portal - 2007 (PC, Xbox 360)
10. Final Fantasy VII - 1997 (PlayStation)
11. Super Mario World - 1990 (SNES)
12. Chrono Trigger - 1995 (SNES)
13. Super Mario Bros. - 1985 (NES)
14. Mass Effect 2 - 2010 (Xbox 360, PC, PS3)
15. Doom - 1993 (PC)
16. Grand Theft Auto V - 2013 (Multiple)
17. Dark Souls - 2011 (PS3, Xbox 360, PC)
18. Metal Gear Solid - 1998 (PlayStation)
19. Bioshock - 2007 (PC, Xbox 360, PS3)
20. Skyrim (The Elder Scrolls V) - 2011 (Multiple)
21. Street Fighter II - 1991 (Arcade, Multiple)
22. Super Metroid - 1994 (SNES)
23. The Last of Us - 2013 (PS3, PS4)
24. Portal 2 - 2011 (PC, PS3, Xbox 360)
25. Resident Evil 4 - 2005 (GameCube, PS2, PC)
26. Halo: Combat Evolved - 2001 (Xbox)
27. Civilization IV - 2005 (PC)
28. Deus Ex - 2000 (PC)
29. Fallout: New Vegas - 2010 (PC, PS3, Xbox 360)
30. Starcraft - 1998 (PC)
31. Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn - 2000 (PC)
32. Final Fantasy VI - 1994 (SNES)
33. Diablo II - 2000 (PC)
34. World of Warcraft - 2004 (PC)
35. Bioshock Infinite - 2013 (PC, PS3, Xbox 360)
36. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - 1997 (PlayStation)
37. Shadow of the Colossus - 2005 (PS2, PS3, PS4)
38. Metroid Prime - 2002 (GameCube)
39. Grand Theft Auto III - 2001 (PS2, PC, Xbox)
40. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - 1992 (SNES)
41. System Shock 2 - 1999 (PC)
42. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - 2004 (Multiple)
43. Persona 4 Golden - 2009/2012 (Multiple)
44. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 - 2000 (Multiple)
45. Half-Life - 1998 (PC)
46. Deus Ex: Human Revolution - 2011 (PC, PS3, Xbox 360)
47. XCOM: Enemy Unknown - 2012 (Multiple)
48. Planescape: Torment - 1999 (PC)
49. Super Mario Galaxy - 2007 (Wii)
50. GoldenEye 007 - 1997 (N64)
Anyone else starting to have a little nagging feeling that something is very suspect as the US labels more and more of these fast growing foreign competitors as threats to democracy or whatever. After all the crap that's happened around politics and such in the last decade or so, I am sooo suspect of any and all of this stuff now. The "good guys" can no longer be trusted any more than the "bad guys" it seems. And none of them truly seem to be working in the best interests of just the regular punters. And most punters just accept whatever the current narrative is without question. It's a weird time indeed.
@shiftbarackyeaugh I would say Super Mario Bros. has aged exceptionally well. In fact, I actually think it's nigh on perfect. Now, that doesn't mean you don't have to play to its particular type of physics and stuff, but absolutely none of that is broken or whatever and is really just its own implementation and a deliberate design choice. But once you get into it, the game is just zen. And it's so perfect for that quick pick up and play kind of gaming session. It's simple though. But then, so is Tetris, and that game really is as perfect as any game has ever been imo, specifically on Game Boy. So simple most definitely isn't a negative when it's executed basically flawlessly.
Well, if both the Pokemon and Metroid games along with a few others there do in fact make it out for 2025, that should give Switch the final push it needs to nab the best selling console of all time spot.
@lyle_catcliffe An interesting point. It looks like all three Sonic movies combined still haven't made as much as The Super Mario Bros. Movie made all by itself at the box office. And I don't think there's much chance of them catching up at this point. That speaks to just how massive a hit The Super Mario Bros. Movie was really. And I am very comfortable with that, as I still think it's one of the very best animated movies I have ever watched. It's simple, and it's for kids and families and 1000% for the fans, but it's so well put together that I've watched it maybe fifteen to twenty times at this point and still love it just as much each and every time. There's not a weak second of that film imo. I cannot wait to see what Illumination has in store for the sequel, although I'm certainly not expecting them to achieve such heights of greatness and success across the board twice in a row.
@Anti-Matter Regardless of everything else, Wicked is about eight times better than Sonic 3 imo, so I actually think you made the right choice there.
For me personally, the first Sonic movie is still the best of the three, with each sequel adding more but not being quite as satisfying. It's exactly how I feel about all the Sonic games too; nothing for me has topped the original Sonic the Hedgehog on Genesis. Sonic Mania actually looks like it's probably the best Sonic game of them all, but I haven't played it enough to be able to make that call.
This is the dream. I wish I could make just one game that would be this successful and indeed beloved too. Once I get the development tools I can actually use, I'll definitely give it a go with a few Super Nintendo games.
Well, I've just bought a ModRetro Chromatic and flash card, and I've downloaded GB Studio too, so this is something I'm planning on giving a wee go myself in the near future.
Now, seriously, we need a setup this utterly simple for budding SNES developers too. Basically, any old or brand new system that takes SNES carts or literally just plays SNES ROMs even, a SNES flash cart if necessary for playing on the systems that only take physical carts, and the one still key missing piece of the puzzle here, a SNES development tool that's as easy to setup and use as the likes of GB Studio and NESmaker are.
"SNESmaker" is actually coming, so there's something to be excited about there. But it's early days and the software looks very limited in its current version, so you'll not truly be able to use all of SNES' cool features and such right away. And, really, the wider SNES community should be all over this too and working on various tools that everyone who wants to make games for SNES can benefit from at this point. And I don't just mean tools that only hardcore Assembly programmers can barely even setup, never mind actually use effectively and create even basic games in a properly reasonable time. I mean stuff actual regular old peasants like me can use.
Come on you genius SNES programmers out there, give these people air!
Well, I just caved and bought a Switch Lite for the wife--don't even have one for myself--so, either way, I think Nintendo is going to be doing rather well both this Christmas and next year if that's anything to remotely go by. And, if it really is anything to remotely go by, I think the Switch is soon to become the highest selling console of all time. Maybe I'll be convinced enough to get myself a "Switch " whenever that arrives and whatever that is precisely.
@LikelySatan When done right, I think the 3D effect on 3DS was stunning. I actually think it would be very cool if it made a return on the Switch 2, especially when applied to far more graphically impressive games. And it would presumably mean we could get all the best 3DS games on Switch 2 as well, which would just be the cherry on top.
@sevex I'm on the same page as you. I already hated the daft square shape of the one on the left Joy-Con--and now they've gone and added it to the right one too. And, something that bugs me even more, it now makes the two Joy-Cons actually different in terms of total buttons and functions. Sure, it's probably a function that doesn't necessarily needed to be duplicated on both Joy-Cons, but it just bug me. Mind you, I have never liked the design and layout of the Joy-Cons regardless; they just come across as "compromise-design" controllers when held like actual separate controllers in multiplayer imo. I would never ever want my controllers to actually be like that, but on Switch you kinda have to just accept it in order for the gimmick of multiplayer on mini detachable joypads aspect to work at all really.
@LikelySatan Aye, but the really obvious and USP jump from DS to 3DS was that rather awesome stereoscopic 3D without glasses. If the Switch 2 is hiding something as cool as that, I think all could be good in the hood. If the Switch 2 isn't hiding something as cool as that, I think the jump really is more akin to that of the DS to DSi to be honest. And that doesn't remotely interest me, just as the DSi didn't--and there I at least actually had a DS. I've never even been convinced to buy the original Switch yet, so a Switch with some nicer but still last-gen graphics, if that's all it is, is likely going to do absolutely nothing for me personally. I hope it will be enough for everyone else though, if that's all it is. But I really do hope it's something more than that.
@rjejr I would expect the new Mario Kart to be on the original Switch too if that's what's coming at launch for Switch 2, so I don't see how that will sell Switch 2 in massive numbers. And I think Nintendo really needs a whole lot of people to be upgrading here for the Switch 2 to be a success. I mean, is the slowdown in Switch sales because it's getting old or because everyone that cares about Switch already has one. If it's the latter, do we really think just a bit more power is going to convince all those people to upgrade to the next model of Switch or maybe even consider buying a Switch for the first time. I didn't buy a Switch first time around, and so far I've seen absolutely nothing that's convinced me I need a Switch 2 either. Sometimes just a bunch of good games alone is not enough. If it were, I would have bought at least one of the current-gen consoles, but I didn't. I bought a Quest 3, because that actually got me excited about gaming again, and far more so than imo the actual half-baked gimmick Joy-Cons on Switch. And I've yet to be convinced by anything I've seen of Switch 2 personally. But I guess we'll see if just more iteration in both hardware and software is all Nintendo fans need at this point to keep buying the next Nintendo console.
@link3710 Ironically, there's a more obvious difference between the PS3 to PS4 and the Switch to Switch 2. And at least the internal power and graphics jump from PS3 to PS4 literally did take it to the cutting edge of the next generation, so that alone would have been compelling. That's precisely the model Sony's and Microsoft's consoles are built on, so it makes sense there. But the Switch 2 is apparently only on par with a PS4 internally, so it doesn't even have some claim of being cutting edge upon release. And what you are describing with Switch 2 is far more like the PS4 Pro was to the PS4 than the actual next generation PS5 system from Sony for example. So far the "Switch 2" really does just seem like a Switch Pro. That would be okay if it were called as such, but calling it the Switch 2 suggests it should do something more than just add a bit more power and pretty much nothing else. So far it's the most disappointing next-gen system from Nintendo ever released--unless Nintendo has something hidden up its sleeves that hasn't leaked yet.
@larryisaman What percentage of current Switch owners would you expect to upgrade from their present models to this basically "XL" version?
Because, if it's as low a percentage as I imagine--might need to check how that's historically went--it might indeed be big disappointment in terms of sales.
Edit: It appears the DSi sold 41 million units, which is around 1/3rd of the total DS systems sold.
So, yeah, unless this thing is hiding a very cool feature that we're not aware of, I'm thinking Nintendo might have a difficult time trying to convince even 30% of current Switch owners to upgrade.
Honestly, so far this is looking like this most unexciting next-gen Nintendo console I've ever witnessed when considering why I should even think of it as a new generation from its current console. Just adding some more power and very minor aesthetic tweaks is a 1.1/XL of the current generation at best to me, not a next generation of Nintendo console. And I truly think a whole lot of people will see things the same as me.
I really hope Nintendo has some special trick here just waiting to be revealed (stereoscopic 3D screen like 3DS, Wii-style pointer controls in the Joy-Cons without the need for a sensor bar, a proper VR headset attachment, etc)
Not to be a downer, but this [on face value] looks like the most uninspired and by-the-numbers next-gen console Nintendo has ever put out as compared to its system from the previous generation.
If ever there was a next generation console that looked just like a 1.1/XL version of the previous generation console from the same company, boy, this would be it. And, for me, that makes it even more disappointing given it's coming from Nintendo of all companies.
I hope to God there's some secret feature that somehow makes this far more exciting.
Well, Nintendo's "pop music" has kept it actually relevant in both the hardware and console space for four decades, and now beyond gaming too, whereas Sega hasn't been relevant in the hardware space for around a long as it was ever relevant. And no Sega console in history ever outsold its Nintendo competitor, from the NES all the way up to even the Mini systems. Similarly, Nintendo's big franchises have always outsold Sega's too, from games way back on the likes of NES to even the recent movies. Lastly, the Switch is on the verge of becoming the highest selling console of all time, while Sega doesn't even have a relevant modern console. So, slogans and words . . .
But, really, it kinda shows that Nintendo has lost a bit of its once industry leading magic that it hasn't won in this category for a long time with its own platformers.
Not that it doesn't make great games in this genre. But there's great, and then there's winner of best game of the year material.
Also, Nintendo was almost nowhere to be seen in terms of award nominations across the board this year, which is not really great at all and just another sign of what I'm saying imo.
I hope it has a whole lot of truly magical games planned for Switch 2.
@timp29 Truly though, even then, do we believe all the current Nintendo Switch owners are going to go out and get a Switch 2. I fear it will be a lower percentage of current Switch owners who feel compelled to get much the same again than many people including Nintendo imagine--unless there's a lot more to this thing that just what I'm seeing on the surface.
Man, so far, as someone who was never convinced enough to buy the current Switch in any form, I'm not seeing a single thing that's making the Switch 2 a compelling purchase for people like me. And, seriously, if the only people the Switch 2 is going to appeal to is current Switch owners--and we all know nowhere near 100% of those are going to upgrade to simply a slightly better model of what appears to be the same thing otherwise--I really do think Nintendo might have a relative flop on its hands unless Switch 2 is hiding some utterly compelling secret that isn't at all obvious right now. I'm a wee bit worried here, and I really don't like it when a new Nintendo console flops.
No offense, but it sounds to me like that's exactly what I want from a developer. As the end gamer, I want every single thing to be as polished as is humanly possible. And if the dev's result isn't absolutely spot on, get the micromanagers in there I say.
Also, the power of the Wii should never have been an stifling thing on art, just technical flash. Great artists can, will, and actually did make some gorgeous looking art on Wii, the kind that holds up decades later. While so many modern artist just let shaders and duplication tools do most of the work and settle for stuff that, as soon as you turn the shader off to maybe port the game to a less powerful platform that can't run the shader or whatever, just looks crap. That's not great art; that's useful technology doing most of the work. And it's why I actually have an issue with so many modern games, especially the ones they keep down-porting to my blimmin' Quest 3.
Nah, just give me amazing art. And if someone can see areas where your art could genuinely be improved--let's assume they legit are in fact doing exactly that rather than just being pencil pushers who actually have no artistic understanding whatsoever--take their feedback onboard and improve your art.
PS. Everyone even remotely interested in game art, game design, gameplay design, game music, level design, game animation, character design, level design, etc, should watch all of "Masahiro Sakurai on Creating Games" videos for a masterclass on how basically every stage of game design should be done.
The more I hear about "Switch 2", the more I'm wondering who it's really for: If people weren't convinced by Switch already, I've not seen or heard anything that would convince them to get the "Switch 2". And for all the people that bought a Switch, especially recent buyers, what's the incentive to spend multiple hundreds of dollars to upgrade here? Where's the market for a "Switch 2" going to come from? I'm a bit worried the "Switch 2" might be one of Nintendo's relative flops. I really hope there's something genuinely compelling about "Switch 2" that somehow just hasn't been leaked yet or whatever, because it currently doesn't interest me personally at all. It sounds more like a "Switch Pro" or "Switch 1.5". Just not excited so far.
Let's be honest, Sony was trying to pull a fast one by using Nintendo to gain dominance in and control of the market via slightly sneaky means that ultimately would have been bad for Nintendo in that deal in the long run, and Nintendo simply figured it out and did the dirty first. So, make no mistake, Sony wasn't the mistreated party here, or at least not to the degree it might appear at first glance. And, really, I think it was Sega that ended up feeling the full brunt of Sony deciding to do its own thing and continuing with PlayStation anyway, because that was pretty much the start of Sega's downfall and eventual dropping out of the console market entirely. It just couldn't compete against both Nintendo and Sony and even Microsoft too eventually. And the rest is history. Sony came in like a wrecking ball!
Or, you could view it as some cheap play that focuses on some very niche consideration that then comes at the cost of talking about some more of the incentives that are the actual real reasons why Nintendo made it to third place on the list. There's only so much time and space to make a truly relevant quote for journalists to print. And, like I said, I don't think Nintendo's policy on same sex marriage is one the vast majority of people would care about to be honest, so they just wasted an entire third of that moment to talk about what makes Nintendo a great place to work and why it actually matters to the vast majority of people who will ever see and read such a quote imo.
If Nintendo is the third most sought after employer in Japan, I'd actually like to know a few more of the widely meaningful to the largest majority of people reasons why that's the case. I don't really care about them extolling some very niche area of progressive thinking that largely doesn't matter to anyone in the grand scheme of things. I care about them showing me like a top ten incentives and reasons people are picking them--the ones most of us will actually be interested in learning about--not something that's almost certainly like thirtieth down the list or whatever, if it even appears on the vast majority of people's lists at all. Or--and let's pretend this is a real example for a moment--they might as well say they have added nice smelling soap into the bathrooms and that contributed to them gaining that revered third place spot, because I'm sure that's important to a couple of people too, maybe even still more than those who care about incentives in place around same sex marriages.
I'd still like to know some more of the legit top ten or so list of meaningful reasons Nintendo is the third most sought after company to work for in Japan. And, because of one of the very random examples they specifically chose to mention instead, I'd still like to know what their incentives are for old farts who want to work there too--because it goes to how truly legit they are about diversity, equity, and inclusion vs virtue signalling to a tiny niche of often really vocal people who are also often very activist about being acknowledged imo.
@Bobb I never said anything about treating them anything other.
What I brought up was the fact this relatively irrelevant consideration around same sex marriage when deciding what company they want to work for, as it for most people, was specifically highlighted while many other actually far more relevant factors were clearly not--I listed a whole bunch of them--and I question the reasoning behind that.
I highly doubt the majority of people care about Nintendo's policy on same sex marriages over any of those examples I listed. So I think they'd have been better off listing a few more of the actually relevant examples that apply to the mass majority of people when looking for a job personally, if the idea is to promote some solid examples of why the company is third highest on the list of places people want to work in Japan.
And, given their choice to specifically emphasize one very random and very niche initiative examples, I'm curious about the incentives for older applicants and employees and how they assure fully diversity, equity, and inclusion in that area.
@Solomon_Rambling Yeah, reports be reports. I've seen many legit reports and many garbage ones in my time*. Dunno what category the ones you linked fall into, but I'd suggest any studies and reports not based on hard math, objective numbers, and pure science should be careful of any confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance creeping in. Doesn't really make a difference to my point there.
That's fine. I was giving my take and position on that. It wasn't asking about your opinion or stating what your opinion was. You do you.
And the point of my original post around this remains the same.
*Here's a report [or random article online that links to some reports] for example:
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Re: Is This Our Best Look Yet At 'Switch 2'?
Genuinely, unless Nintendo reveals some really awesome expandability feature of this thing, like a proper VR headset that it works with or something like that, I'm extremely disappointed with Nintendo's next-gen Switch "2" here. All I see is basically a Switch 1.5/Pro.
Re: PSA: Be Warned, Nintendo's New 'Emio' Trailer Is Packed With Late-Game Spoilers
Yeah, as someone who's not played the game, I don't see why the few things in that trailer would be a massive deal to know about. I mean, I know nothing of the game, and all I really know now is--SPOILER--it's about some dude doing stuff to make people/girls scared or smile for some reason. Surely most horror movies and games give enough away in trailers and previews to let people know it has some baddy/baddies doing bad things for whatever reasons. If that's the game ruining spoiler of this trailer, that's just weird that the game's concept is so basic and obvious that even knowing that much is too much.
Re: Genki Claims The 'Switch 2' Joy-Con Can Be Removed By 'Brute Force'
I'll still waiting to see anything that truly justifies the "2" label on this "next generation" Nintendo console. So far, how is this not just a Switch Pro or Switch 1.5?
Re: Sonic The Hedgehog 3 Toys Speed Into McDonald's UK Happy Meals
Catch them all you can. That sounds familiar somehow . . .
Re: PS5 Will Sell More Than 'Switch 2' In The US This Year, Says Analyst
Well, the Switch "2" isn't even going to be on the market for the full year, so, yeah.
Re: 'Switch 2' Replica Showcased By Accessory Maker Genki At CES 2025
@Nintendomatt64 Surely at this point it has to be basically guaranteed that it looks pretty much identical to all the leaks if all these companies are making cases for it and such. I mean they can't just be making entire product lines on pure guesswork with the chance the final thing won't even fit, right. I have to imagine we're all seeing basically the exact Switch "2" at this point. Now, whether that means there's anything remotely more exciting about it than what we're seeing externally is another question, but right now I'm totally underwhelmed if this is the Switch "2" to be honest. It's the most by the numbers and least existing "next generation" of Nintendo console ever created based on what I'm seeing. In fact, it's so safe to the point I think it might even flop, because I just don't see where the new audience for this thing is, and I expect only a fraction of current Switch owners would give enough of a crap with the changes we're seeing here to bother to upgrade to the newer model. How many people have bought a Switch OLED vs the original. I expect even less to get a Switch "2" at this point, or maybe a little more if Nintendo can really convince people it's worth getting a model with a bit more power basically.
Re: 'Switch 2' Ergonomic Grip Case Surfaces On Amazon
Maybe it's because of the original detachable Joy-Con that the actual default Switch [Lite at least] isn't very ergonomic, but I really feel it needs to be made far more ergonomic with big grips on the "handles" like this. My wife has the Switch Lite, and my God it's not comfortable to hold and use. It literally almost slipped out of my hand the other day because it doesn't have a natural grip position that supports the bottom. Putting my pinkies under it like I do with the ModRetro Chromatic for example just doesn't seem to feel natural or comfortable. The Switch [Lite at least] is such a weird design, and imo far below the standard I expect of Nintendo. A lot about the Switch [Lite at least] really disappoints me.
Re: Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Tops Rolling Stone's 50 Best Games Of All Time
And, note, this list has been adjusted to reflect a balance between historical significance, critical acclaim, and influence within their respective genres and platforms, considering both individual console rankings and aggregate scores, and it also combines results of countless other such Top/Best 100 Games of All Time lists that already exist online along with a few tries Grok came up with initially and then refined by putting it all together ultimately.
I think it's a pretty good list actually.
And nine SNES games made it on there, which I think sounds just about right.
Re: Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Tops Rolling Stone's 50 Best Games Of All Time
51. Silent Hill 2 - 2001 (PS2, Xbox, PC)
52. Sid Meier's Civilization II - 1996 (PC)
53. EarthBound - 1994 (SNES)
54. Mega Man 2 - 1988 (NES)
55. Diablo - 1996 (PC)
56. Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening - 1993 (Game Boy, Switch)
57. Journey - 2012 (PS3, PS4, PC)
58. Katamari Damacy - 2004 (PS2)
59. The Oregon Trail - 1971/1985 (Multiple)
60. Braid - 2008 (Multiple)
61. Super Mario Galaxy 2 - 2010 (Wii)
62. SimCity 2000 - 1993 (Multiple)
63. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey Cursed King - 2004 (PS2, 3DS)
64. Thief: The Dark Project - 1998 (PC)
65. Rayman Legends - 2013 (Multiple)
66. Beyond Good & Evil - 2003 (Multiple)
67. Grim Fandango - 1998 (PC, PS4, Switch)
68. Elite - 1984 (Multiple)
69. Myst - 1993 (Multiple)
70. Left 4 Dead 2 - 2009 (PC, Xbox 360)
71. Disco Elysium - 2019 (Multiple)
72. Final Fantasy IX - 2000 (Multiple)
73. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - 2002 (PC, Xbox)
74. Wipeout 2097/XL - 1996 (PS1)
75. Banjo-Kazooie - 1998 (N64)
76. Quake - 1996 (PC)
77. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds - 2013 (3DS)
78. Punch-Out!! - 1987 (NES)
79. Spelunky - 2008/2012 (Multiple)
80. Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines - 2004 (PC)
81. Rez - 2001 (Multiple)
82. X-COM: UFO Defense - 1994 (Multiple)
83. Fallout 2 - 1998 (PC)
84. Super Smash Bros. Melee - 2001 (GameCube)
85. Jet Set Radio - 2000 (Multiple)
86. F-Zero - 1990 (SNES)
87. Inside - 2016 (Multiple)
88. Chrono Cross - 1999 (PS1)
89. Rogue - 1980 (Multiple)
90. Deus Ex: Invisible War - 2003 (PC, Xbox)
91. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - 2001 (Multiple)
92. Castlevania - 1986 (NES)
93. Donkey Kong Country - 1994 (SNES)
94. The Curse of Monkey Island - 1997 (PC)
95. Freespace 2 - 1999 (PC)
96. Panzer Dragoon Saga - 1998 (Sega Saturn)
97. System Shock - 1994 (PC, Mac)
98. Pac-Man - 1980 (Arcade, Multiple)
99. The Secret of Monkey Island - 1990 (PC, Amiga)
100. Space Invaders - 1978 (Arcade, Multiple)
cont.
Re: Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Tops Rolling Stone's 50 Best Games Of All Time
Here's a Top/Best 100 Games of All Time list I Grok'd the hell out of multiple times to get to the final result:
1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 1998 (N64)
2. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - 2015 (PC, PS4, Xbox One)
3. Super Mario 64 - 1996 (N64)
4. Tetris - 1984 (Multiple)
5. Minecraft - 2011 (Multiple
6. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 2017 (Switch, Wii U)
7. Half-Life 2 - 2004 (PC)
8. Red Dead Redemption 2 - 2018 (PS4, Xbox One)
9. Portal - 2007 (PC, Xbox 360)
10. Final Fantasy VII - 1997 (PlayStation)
11. Super Mario World - 1990 (SNES)
12. Chrono Trigger - 1995 (SNES)
13. Super Mario Bros. - 1985 (NES)
14. Mass Effect 2 - 2010 (Xbox 360, PC, PS3)
15. Doom - 1993 (PC)
16. Grand Theft Auto V - 2013 (Multiple)
17. Dark Souls - 2011 (PS3, Xbox 360, PC)
18. Metal Gear Solid - 1998 (PlayStation)
19. Bioshock - 2007 (PC, Xbox 360, PS3)
20. Skyrim (The Elder Scrolls V) - 2011 (Multiple)
21. Street Fighter II - 1991 (Arcade, Multiple)
22. Super Metroid - 1994 (SNES)
23. The Last of Us - 2013 (PS3, PS4)
24. Portal 2 - 2011 (PC, PS3, Xbox 360)
25. Resident Evil 4 - 2005 (GameCube, PS2, PC)
26. Halo: Combat Evolved - 2001 (Xbox)
27. Civilization IV - 2005 (PC)
28. Deus Ex - 2000 (PC)
29. Fallout: New Vegas - 2010 (PC, PS3, Xbox 360)
30. Starcraft - 1998 (PC)
31. Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn - 2000 (PC)
32. Final Fantasy VI - 1994 (SNES)
33. Diablo II - 2000 (PC)
34. World of Warcraft - 2004 (PC)
35. Bioshock Infinite - 2013 (PC, PS3, Xbox 360)
36. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - 1997 (PlayStation)
37. Shadow of the Colossus - 2005 (PS2, PS3, PS4)
38. Metroid Prime - 2002 (GameCube)
39. Grand Theft Auto III - 2001 (PS2, PC, Xbox)
40. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - 1992 (SNES)
41. System Shock 2 - 1999 (PC)
42. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - 2004 (Multiple)
43. Persona 4 Golden - 2009/2012 (Multiple)
44. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 - 2000 (Multiple)
45. Half-Life - 1998 (PC)
46. Deus Ex: Human Revolution - 2011 (PC, PS3, Xbox 360)
47. XCOM: Enemy Unknown - 2012 (Multiple)
48. Planescape: Torment - 1999 (PC)
49. Super Mario Galaxy - 2007 (Wii)
50. GoldenEye 007 - 1997 (N64)
cont.
Re: Tencent Labeled A "Chinese Military Company" By US Government
Anyone else starting to have a little nagging feeling that something is very suspect as the US labels more and more of these fast growing foreign competitors as threats to democracy or whatever. After all the crap that's happened around politics and such in the last decade or so, I am sooo suspect of any and all of this stuff now. The "good guys" can no longer be trusted any more than the "bad guys" it seems. And none of them truly seem to be working in the best interests of just the regular punters. And most punters just accept whatever the current narrative is without question. It's a weird time indeed.
Re: Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Tops Rolling Stone's 50 Best Games Of All Time
@shiftbarackyeaugh I would say Super Mario Bros. has aged exceptionally well. In fact, I actually think it's nigh on perfect. Now, that doesn't mean you don't have to play to its particular type of physics and stuff, but absolutely none of that is broken or whatever and is really just its own implementation and a deliberate design choice. But once you get into it, the game is just zen. And it's so perfect for that quick pick up and play kind of gaming session. It's simple though. But then, so is Tetris, and that game really is as perfect as any game has ever been imo, specifically on Game Boy. So simple most definitely isn't a negative when it's executed basically flawlessly.
Re: Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Tops Rolling Stone's 50 Best Games Of All Time
Two SNES games in the Rolling Stone's top ten of the 50 Best Games Of All Time list--and a couple others through the rest of the list too--class.
Sonic 2 above Chrono Trigger, or even on this list at all really--LOL IMO
Re: Random: Let's Be Thankful The 'Switch 2' Won't Be As Big As Acer's Ridiculous New Handheld
Are we living in some kind of joke timeline?
Re: Fans Reckon The 'Switch 2' Joy-Con May Be Usable As A Mouse
Me thinks "fans" are getting carried away.
Re: Nintendo Highlights Multiple Switch Games Launching In 2025
Well, if both the Pokemon and Metroid games along with a few others there do in fact make it out for 2025, that should give Switch the final push it needs to nab the best selling console of all time spot.
Re: Sonic's Live-Action Movies Have Apparently Surpassed $1 Billion At The Box Office
@lyle_catcliffe An interesting point. It looks like all three Sonic movies combined still haven't made as much as The Super Mario Bros. Movie made all by itself at the box office. And I don't think there's much chance of them catching up at this point. That speaks to just how massive a hit The Super Mario Bros. Movie was really. And I am very comfortable with that, as I still think it's one of the very best animated movies I have ever watched. It's simple, and it's for kids and families and 1000% for the fans, but it's so well put together that I've watched it maybe fifteen to twenty times at this point and still love it just as much each and every time. There's not a weak second of that film imo. I cannot wait to see what Illumination has in store for the sequel, although I'm certainly not expecting them to achieve such heights of greatness and success across the board twice in a row.
Re: Sonic's Live-Action Movies Have Apparently Surpassed $1 Billion At The Box Office
@Anti-Matter Regardless of everything else, Wicked is about eight times better than Sonic 3 imo, so I actually think you made the right choice there.
For me personally, the first Sonic movie is still the best of the three, with each sequel adding more but not being quite as satisfying. It's exactly how I feel about all the Sonic games too; nothing for me has topped the original Sonic the Hedgehog on Genesis. Sonic Mania actually looks like it's probably the best Sonic game of them all, but I haven't played it enough to be able to make that call.
Re: Review: Antonblast (Switch) - Channels Wario Land’s Madcap Energy To Great Effect
Ten hours for a 2D platformer is not "brief".
Re: Stardew Valley Has Now Sold More Copies Than Mario Kart Wii
This is the dream. I wish I could make just one game that would be this successful and indeed beloved too. Once I get the development tools I can actually use, I'll definitely give it a go with a few Super Nintendo games.
Re: Japanese Charts: What Successor? Switch Hardware Sales Top 100,000
@WiltonRoots Quite true. Lol
Re: Best Of 2024: Meet Four Developers Making Brand-New Game Boy Titles In 2024
Well, I've just bought a ModRetro Chromatic and flash card, and I've downloaded GB Studio too, so this is something I'm planning on giving a wee go myself in the near future.
Now, seriously, we need a setup this utterly simple for budding SNES developers too. Basically, any old or brand new system that takes SNES carts or literally just plays SNES ROMs even, a SNES flash cart if necessary for playing on the systems that only take physical carts, and the one still key missing piece of the puzzle here, a SNES development tool that's as easy to setup and use as the likes of GB Studio and NESmaker are.
"SNESmaker" is actually coming, so there's something to be excited about there. But it's early days and the software looks very limited in its current version, so you'll not truly be able to use all of SNES' cool features and such right away. And, really, the wider SNES community should be all over this too and working on various tools that everyone who wants to make games for SNES can benefit from at this point. And I don't just mean tools that only hardcore Assembly programmers can barely even setup, never mind actually use effectively and create even basic games in a properly reasonable time. I mean stuff actual regular old peasants like me can use.
Come on you genius SNES programmers out there, give these people air!
Re: Japanese Charts: What Successor? Switch Hardware Sales Top 100,000
Do we think the Switch is actually going to manage to take top selling console of all time spot by the end of its life?
Re: PSA: Switch 2 Is Getting Revealed In The Next 100 Days
Well, I just caved and bought a Switch Lite for the wife--don't even have one for myself--so, either way, I think Nintendo is going to be doing rather well both this Christmas and next year if that's anything to remotely go by. And, if it really is anything to remotely go by, I think the Switch is soon to become the highest selling console of all time. Maybe I'll be convinced enough to get myself a "Switch " whenever that arrives and whatever that is precisely.
Re: Opinion: The Biggest Question Of The Generation: Er, Why Isn’t Nintendogs On Switch?
Maybe Nintendo will have to savvy to add some of those cool features from the DS/3DS to Switch 2.
Personally, I would love the stereoscopic 3D to return, but I really don't have high hopes for that.
Re: Random: Mario Galaxy Returns Next Year In "The Biggest Super Mario Odyssey Mod Yet"
Well, this all looks very cool indeed.
Re: PSA: If You're Into Switch 2 'Leaks', It's The Wild West Out There Right Now
@LikelySatan When done right, I think the 3D effect on 3DS was stunning. I actually think it would be very cool if it made a return on the Switch 2, especially when applied to far more graphically impressive games. And it would presumably mean we could get all the best 3DS games on Switch 2 as well, which would just be the cherry on top.
Re: PSA: If You're Into Switch 2 'Leaks', It's The Wild West Out There Right Now
@sevex I'm on the same page as you. I already hated the daft square shape of the one on the left Joy-Con--and now they've gone and added it to the right one too. And, something that bugs me even more, it now makes the two Joy-Cons actually different in terms of total buttons and functions. Sure, it's probably a function that doesn't necessarily needed to be duplicated on both Joy-Cons, but it just bug me. Mind you, I have never liked the design and layout of the Joy-Cons regardless; they just come across as "compromise-design" controllers when held like actual separate controllers in multiplayer imo. I would never ever want my controllers to actually be like that, but on Switch you kinda have to just accept it in order for the gimmick of multiplayer on mini detachable joypads aspect to work at all really.
Re: PSA: If You're Into Switch 2 'Leaks', It's The Wild West Out There Right Now
@LikelySatan Aye, but the really obvious and USP jump from DS to 3DS was that rather awesome stereoscopic 3D without glasses. If the Switch 2 is hiding something as cool as that, I think all could be good in the hood. If the Switch 2 isn't hiding something as cool as that, I think the jump really is more akin to that of the DS to DSi to be honest. And that doesn't remotely interest me, just as the DSi didn't--and there I at least actually had a DS. I've never even been convinced to buy the original Switch yet, so a Switch with some nicer but still last-gen graphics, if that's all it is, is likely going to do absolutely nothing for me personally. I hope it will be enough for everyone else though, if that's all it is. But I really do hope it's something more than that.
Re: PSA: If You're Into Switch 2 'Leaks', It's The Wild West Out There Right Now
@Sonicka Well, I'll tell you this, I'm certainly interested to see how it plays out if nothing else thus far.
Re: PSA: If You're Into Switch 2 'Leaks', It's The Wild West Out There Right Now
@rjejr I would expect the new Mario Kart to be on the original Switch too if that's what's coming at launch for Switch 2, so I don't see how that will sell Switch 2 in massive numbers. And I think Nintendo really needs a whole lot of people to be upgrading here for the Switch 2 to be a success. I mean, is the slowdown in Switch sales because it's getting old or because everyone that cares about Switch already has one. If it's the latter, do we really think just a bit more power is going to convince all those people to upgrade to the next model of Switch or maybe even consider buying a Switch for the first time. I didn't buy a Switch first time around, and so far I've seen absolutely nothing that's convinced me I need a Switch 2 either. Sometimes just a bunch of good games alone is not enough. If it were, I would have bought at least one of the current-gen consoles, but I didn't. I bought a Quest 3, because that actually got me excited about gaming again, and far more so than imo the actual half-baked gimmick Joy-Cons on Switch. And I've yet to be convinced by anything I've seen of Switch 2 personally. But I guess we'll see if just more iteration in both hardware and software is all Nintendo fans need at this point to keep buying the next Nintendo console.
Re: PSA: If You're Into Switch 2 'Leaks', It's The Wild West Out There Right Now
@link3710 Ironically, there's a more obvious difference between the PS3 to PS4 and the Switch to Switch 2. And at least the internal power and graphics jump from PS3 to PS4 literally did take it to the cutting edge of the next generation, so that alone would have been compelling. That's precisely the model Sony's and Microsoft's consoles are built on, so it makes sense there. But the Switch 2 is apparently only on par with a PS4 internally, so it doesn't even have some claim of being cutting edge upon release. And what you are describing with Switch 2 is far more like the PS4 Pro was to the PS4 than the actual next generation PS5 system from Sony for example. So far the "Switch 2" really does just seem like a Switch Pro. That would be okay if it were called as such, but calling it the Switch 2 suggests it should do something more than just add a bit more power and pretty much nothing else. So far it's the most disappointing next-gen system from Nintendo ever released--unless Nintendo has something hidden up its sleeves that hasn't leaked yet.
Re: PSA: If You're Into Switch 2 'Leaks', It's The Wild West Out There Right Now
@larryisaman What percentage of current Switch owners would you expect to upgrade from their present models to this basically "XL" version?
Because, if it's as low a percentage as I imagine--might need to check how that's historically went--it might indeed be big disappointment in terms of sales.
Edit: It appears the DSi sold 41 million units, which is around 1/3rd of the total DS systems sold.
So, yeah, unless this thing is hiding a very cool feature that we're not aware of, I'm thinking Nintendo might have a difficult time trying to convince even 30% of current Switch owners to upgrade.
Honestly, so far this is looking like this most unexciting next-gen Nintendo console I've ever witnessed when considering why I should even think of it as a new generation from its current console. Just adding some more power and very minor aesthetic tweaks is a 1.1/XL of the current generation at best to me, not a next generation of Nintendo console. And I truly think a whole lot of people will see things the same as me.
I really hope Nintendo has some special trick here just waiting to be revealed (stereoscopic 3D screen like 3DS, Wii-style pointer controls in the Joy-Cons without the need for a sensor bar, a proper VR headset attachment, etc)
Re: PSA: If You're Into Switch 2 'Leaks', It's The Wild West Out There Right Now
"A "surprise feature" on the top side of the Joy-Con ("Think lasers"). "Oh and the magnets themselves are buttons."
Possibly just the equivalent of the Wii pointer but without the need for a sensor bar.
Re: PSA: If You're Into Switch 2 'Leaks', It's The Wild West Out There Right Now
@Dev1024 I'm honestly on totally the same page as you here.
Re: PSA: If You're Into Switch 2 'Leaks', It's The Wild West Out There Right Now
Not to be a downer, but this [on face value] looks like the most uninspired and by-the-numbers next-gen console Nintendo has ever put out as compared to its system from the previous generation.
If ever there was a next generation console that looked just like a 1.1/XL version of the previous generation console from the same company, boy, this would be it. And, for me, that makes it even more disappointing given it's coming from Nintendo of all companies.
I hope to God there's some secret feature that somehow makes this far more exciting.
Re: Random: Upcoming Banjo-Kazooie Mod Is A Nostalgic Trip Through A Bunch Of N64 Classics
Definitely looking forward to this.
Re: Sega President Talks Reviving Video Game "Rock & Roll" To Contrast Nintendo's "Pop Music"
Well, Nintendo's "pop music" has kept it actually relevant in both the hardware and console space for four decades, and now beyond gaming too, whereas Sega hasn't been relevant in the hardware space for around a long as it was ever relevant. And no Sega console in history ever outsold its Nintendo competitor, from the NES all the way up to even the Mini systems. Similarly, Nintendo's big franchises have always outsold Sega's too, from games way back on the likes of NES to even the recent movies. Lastly, the Switch is on the verge of becoming the highest selling console of all time, while Sega doesn't even have a relevant modern console. So, slogans and words . . .
Re: Random: PlayStation's Astro Bot Director Pays Tribute To Mario And Nintendo In GOTY Speech
Dang, now I really do wish it was in VR too.
But, really, it kinda shows that Nintendo has lost a bit of its once industry leading magic that it hasn't won in this category for a long time with its own platformers.
Not that it doesn't make great games in this genre. But there's great, and then there's winner of best game of the year material.
Also, Nintendo was almost nowhere to be seen in terms of award nominations across the board this year, which is not really great at all and just another sign of what I'm saying imo.
I hope it has a whole lot of truly magical games planned for Switch 2.
Re: Eagle-Eyed Fans Think They've Spotted The First 'Switch 2' Image In New Satisfye Trailer
@timp29 Truly though, even then, do we believe all the current Nintendo Switch owners are going to go out and get a Switch 2. I fear it will be a lower percentage of current Switch owners who feel compelled to get much the same again than many people including Nintendo imagine--unless there's a lot more to this thing that just what I'm seeing on the surface.
Re: Eagle-Eyed Fans Think They've Spotted The First 'Switch 2' Image In New Satisfye Trailer
Man, so far, as someone who was never convinced enough to buy the current Switch in any form, I'm not seeing a single thing that's making the Switch 2 a compelling purchase for people like me. And, seriously, if the only people the Switch 2 is going to appeal to is current Switch owners--and we all know nowhere near 100% of those are going to upgrade to simply a slightly better model of what appears to be the same thing otherwise--I really do think Nintendo might have a relative flop on its hands unless Switch 2 is hiding some utterly compelling secret that isn't at all obvious right now. I'm a wee bit worried here, and I really don't like it when a new Nintendo console flops.
Re: Random: Metroid Prime 3 Dev Left Retro Studios After "Unhealthy Relationship" With Nintendo Micromanagement
No offense, but it sounds to me like that's exactly what I want from a developer. As the end gamer, I want every single thing to be as polished as is humanly possible. And if the dev's result isn't absolutely spot on, get the micromanagers in there I say.
Also, the power of the Wii should never have been an stifling thing on art, just technical flash. Great artists can, will, and actually did make some gorgeous looking art on Wii, the kind that holds up decades later. While so many modern artist just let shaders and duplication tools do most of the work and settle for stuff that, as soon as you turn the shader off to maybe port the game to a less powerful platform that can't run the shader or whatever, just looks crap. That's not great art; that's useful technology doing most of the work. And it's why I actually have an issue with so many modern games, especially the ones they keep down-porting to my blimmin' Quest 3.
Nah, just give me amazing art. And if someone can see areas where your art could genuinely be improved--let's assume they legit are in fact doing exactly that rather than just being pencil pushers who actually have no artistic understanding whatsoever--take their feedback onboard and improve your art.
PS. Everyone even remotely interested in game art, game design, gameplay design, game music, level design, game animation, character design, level design, etc, should watch all of "Masahiro Sakurai on Creating Games" videos for a masterclass on how basically every stage of game design should be done.
Re: Nintendo Postpones Retail Sales Of Its New Sound Clock Alarmo (Japan)
So, is because it was basically so popular?
If so, I guess that's kind of a good situation for Nintendo to be in really.
I'm not interested in this product personally.
Re: 'Switch 2' Accessories Are Seemingly Already On Sale Via Chinese Vendors
The more I hear about "Switch 2", the more I'm wondering who it's really for: If people weren't convinced by Switch already, I've not seen or heard anything that would convince them to get the "Switch 2". And for all the people that bought a Switch, especially recent buyers, what's the incentive to spend multiple hundreds of dollars to upgrade here? Where's the market for a "Switch 2" going to come from? I'm a bit worried the "Switch 2" might be one of Nintendo's relative flops. I really hope there's something genuinely compelling about "Switch 2" that somehow just hasn't been leaked yet or whatever, because it currently doesn't interest me personally at all. It sounds more like a "Switch Pro" or "Switch 1.5". Just not excited so far.
Re: Nintendo Left Sony "Standing At The Altar" With SNES Disk Add-On, Says Former PlayStation Exec
Let's be honest, Sony was trying to pull a fast one by using Nintendo to gain dominance in and control of the market via slightly sneaky means that ultimately would have been bad for Nintendo in that deal in the long run, and Nintendo simply figured it out and did the dirty first. So, make no mistake, Sony wasn't the mistreated party here, or at least not to the degree it might appear at first glance. And, really, I think it was Sega that ended up feeling the full brunt of Sony deciding to do its own thing and continuing with PlayStation anyway, because that was pretty much the start of Sega's downfall and eventual dropping out of the console market entirely. It just couldn't compete against both Nintendo and Sony and even Microsoft too eventually. And the rest is history. Sony came in like a wrecking ball!
Re: Bullet-Hell Shmup Refused Classification In The West Over 'Expression Restrictions'
If this is as it seems, the people that made this utterly absurd decision should be fired.
Re: Nintendo Is Ranked The Third Most Sought-After Employer In Japan
I say to Nintendo, Top 10 legit reasons you made it to third place--or it didn't happen!
Re: Nintendo Is Ranked The Third Most Sought-After Employer In Japan
@Bobb Of course.
Or, you could view it as some cheap play that focuses on some very niche consideration that then comes at the cost of talking about some more of the incentives that are the actual real reasons why Nintendo made it to third place on the list. There's only so much time and space to make a truly relevant quote for journalists to print. And, like I said, I don't think Nintendo's policy on same sex marriage is one the vast majority of people would care about to be honest, so they just wasted an entire third of that moment to talk about what makes Nintendo a great place to work and why it actually matters to the vast majority of people who will ever see and read such a quote imo.
If Nintendo is the third most sought after employer in Japan, I'd actually like to know a few more of the widely meaningful to the largest majority of people reasons why that's the case. I don't really care about them extolling some very niche area of progressive thinking that largely doesn't matter to anyone in the grand scheme of things. I care about them showing me like a top ten incentives and reasons people are picking them--the ones most of us will actually be interested in learning about--not something that's almost certainly like thirtieth down the list or whatever, if it even appears on the vast majority of people's lists at all. Or--and let's pretend this is a real example for a moment--they might as well say they have added nice smelling soap into the bathrooms and that contributed to them gaining that revered third place spot, because I'm sure that's important to a couple of people too, maybe even still more than those who care about incentives in place around same sex marriages.
I'd still like to know some more of the legit top ten or so list of meaningful reasons Nintendo is the third most sought after company to work for in Japan. And, because of one of the very random examples they specifically chose to mention instead, I'd still like to know what their incentives are for old farts who want to work there too--because it goes to how truly legit they are about diversity, equity, and inclusion vs virtue signalling to a tiny niche of often really vocal people who are also often very activist about being acknowledged imo.
But, hey, that's just my take on it.
Re: Nintendo Is Ranked The Third Most Sought-After Employer In Japan
@Bobb I never said anything about treating them anything other.
What I brought up was the fact this relatively irrelevant consideration around same sex marriage when deciding what company they want to work for, as it for most people, was specifically highlighted while many other actually far more relevant factors were clearly not--I listed a whole bunch of them--and I question the reasoning behind that.
I highly doubt the majority of people care about Nintendo's policy on same sex marriages over any of those examples I listed. So I think they'd have been better off listing a few more of the actually relevant examples that apply to the mass majority of people when looking for a job personally, if the idea is to promote some solid examples of why the company is third highest on the list of places people want to work in Japan.
And, given their choice to specifically emphasize one very random and very niche initiative examples, I'm curious about the incentives for older applicants and employees and how they assure fully diversity, equity, and inclusion in that area.
Re: Nintendo Is Ranked The Third Most Sought-After Employer In Japan
@Solomon_Rambling Yeah, reports be reports. I've seen many legit reports and many garbage ones in my time*. Dunno what category the ones you linked fall into, but I'd suggest any studies and reports not based on hard math, objective numbers, and pure science should be careful of any confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance creeping in. Doesn't really make a difference to my point there.
That's fine. I was giving my take and position on that. It wasn't asking about your opinion or stating what your opinion was. You do you.
And the point of my original post around this remains the same.
*Here's a report [or random article online that links to some reports] for example:
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/04/no-dei-is-not-good-for-business/
and
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/09/29/why-diversity-training-backfires/
Now, do you automatically trust and believe those articles just because you can read them somewhere?