@Agramonte What E3 are you watching? The press conference that tried to pretend the Switch didn't exist was dull as dirt, and the exciting press conference was more than happy to include the Switch, and not just as a mere afterthought. I'm under no delusion that everything Bethesda showed is Switch-bound, but it's also clear that Bethesda is serious about the Switch and will bring what makes sense.
If you're going to post non-Nintendo news, NL, you might as well go all out and start posting non-video game news as well. With the World Cup right around the corner it'd be perfect. I'm looking forward to your reaction when England loses in the Round of 16.
@Waifu4Laifu He's here because it's important for him to let everyone know how his eyes have been opened and that we need to open our eyes too. The zeal of the newly converted, as I once heard it phrased.
@Agramonte Sure, dude, whatever. If you're so determined to downplay the contribution the Switch is making to a developer's success there's nothing I can say that would convince you otherwise. But I'm certain that if PS4 had the longest bar you'd latch onto its significance.
@gortsi GoNintendo. It's a smaller community than here and feels less comment-driven, so he doesn't get quite the response, but he's up to his usual tricks so if you want to play E3 Bingo head on over.
@Agramonte Not true. The entire point of the graph is that Switch sales are thrice the other platforms combined. It's more impactful to show a picture than just say Switch accounts for 75% of all copies sold
@Crono1973 As far as I can tell you are making absolutely no effort at understanding what @GraveLordXD is saying. You may wish to parse his comments a bit more closely and then respond to what he's actually saying.
@NImH You're correct; what I'm saying has nothing to do with the difference between design and procedural generation. I am, indeed, commenting on a different point--but it's one that you yourself made. To quote you directly:
a throwaway, random world that no one else but you experiences
That simply isn't true. Anyone using the same seed will experience the same world. They did that intentionally, so that if someone discovers an interesting world--and one could certainly dispute that procedural generation automatically entails soullessness--then that world can be shared. It will not be destined to be played only once.
@NImH Random number generators aren't actually random. They're algorithms that use seeds to produce outputs and are completely determined by the seeds. When the seeds are random the outputs will appear to be random as well, but if the seeds aren't random, as when they are chosen by the player, neither will the outputs be.
@AcesHigh Should this game prove successful it will have zero influence on AAA development or budgets, and not appealing to one particular person is not the same as being detrimental to the market.
@Lroy On average games with demos sell fewer copies than games without them. I guess enough people are willing to buy a game if they are moderately interested that giving them a way to check the game out for free costs more sales than it generates.
@bimmy-lee Thanks. Also, regarding your comment to @electrolite77: I'm reminded of a concept that I learned from (IIRC) Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, which is that the more passionate people are about an idea, the less certain they are that it's correct, not the more. As you said, anybody who truly disliked Nintendo would have nothing to do with them or with the people having anything to do with them, like fan sites on the internet. The people we get here, however, need someone else to validate their opinions, because they can't do it for themselves. It's really quite pathetic, and I mean both the modern, scornful sense of that word, and the root sense invoking pity.
@Menchi187 Actually, 20 years from now you'll still be able to play games that are part cart, part download through the simple technique of not deleting the downloaded data. Much the same way you'll be able to play cart games if you don't throw them away.
@AxeltheBuizel "Well, I was going to buy a Switch so I could play Zelda and Super Mario and Splatoon, but Hungry Shark World is available so I'll get an Xbox instead." will be said by literally nobody ever.
@Mr_Pepperami If it's a game that people who are serious about gaming might enjoy, then it belongs on a serious gaming machine, whatever the hell that is. And if it's good enough to stay on someone's phone for years instead of being deleted, it's good enough to be on the Switch.
@electrolite77 People's attitudes towards the Virtual Console both amuse and befuddle me. Setting aside the ridiculousness of people complaining about both too many ports and not enough ports at the same time, every time Nintendo has re-released games for a new system they got criticized for selling us the same games for the fourth or fifth time, as though merely offering them for sale somehow obligated us to purchase them again. Furthermore, while I understand wanting to have your favorite games on both your console and your portable, (which can now be the same system, creating an obvious market for the Switch,) anybody who has already bought these games can still play them, simply by leaving older consoles connected to their TV, or by carrying their 3DS around as was intended. (And since anyone who carries their Switch around has a case for it that has room for a 3DS, I don't want to hear about it being a hassle to carry two portables.) The only people who are actually missing out are people who are interested in retro titles but own only a Switch. Somehow I imagine that's a tiny demographic that the loudest voices complaining don't belong to.
@gatorboi352 Let's all say it together again. There's no such thing as the NDF. It's a meaningless phrase designed to dismiss an entire group of people. You don't like what you used to like, and that's all.
I love this game and will be double-dipping mostly because I didn't actually buy it originally but got it in a bundle which doesn't count as supporting developers.
@gatorboi352 There's no need for a solid counterargument when there's no solid argument in the first place. As for bashing the mods, well, while they eventually did better, at the time I made the comment you're undoubtedly referring to the mods were doing a poor job of dealing with the Islamophobia that had appeared in the comments, and were more worried about me calling it out than its presence in the first place. I trust you won't join them in telling me not to confront racism and to stick to video games...
@gatorboi352 I gotta admit, you got me. Not in terms of having produced an unassailable argument, mind you; it's just that in using meaningless marketingspeak like "mindshare" you've taken the discussion somewhere I'm incapable of following.
May your buzzwords bring you solace, and may the feeling that other people approve of your choice in system allow you to enjoy it. I hope you don't mind that when I get home tonight I enjoy my Switch, even though people don't think of it when someone mentions gaming.
@gatorboi352 Curious that you call Microsoft a market leader when PS4 outsells the Bone 2 to 1. If anyone said something like that about Nintendo you'd trot out your NDF nonsense.
@gatorboi352 NDFers aren't a real thing. The xeal of the newly converted is, and constantly seeing it here is tiresome. It's a shame, too, because once upon a time, when you weren't seeing bogeymen everywhere, you actually said things worth saying. Why can't you just accept that it's okay to like Nintendo? It's fine that you don't, but it was also fine when you did.
The gaming market will be healthier when there are more games that are profitable after 10,000 sales than games that lose money after a million sales. If you care about gaming, not just as a hobby for yourself but also as a place developers can be rewarded for their efforts, then you should support and play games like this.
@gatorboi352 By all means, continue to generalize. Also, continue to surround yourself with other xealots who will reinforce your belief that you see saltiness. All I see are people who are tired of being told that achievements are an essential feature of modern gaming (they're not), that Nintendo is behind the times for not mandating them (they're not), and that blind fanboyism is the only possible reason for their attitude (it isn't).
@gatorboi352 That's a rather odd and short comment that isn't really saying much of anything of real substance. It always cracked me up, this hive mind that thinks there's such a thing as NDFers.
@antdickens Some ways to prevent racism in your community:
Remove the comments immediately, instead of waiting for a report. You clearly didn't do that.
Respond to the comments yourselves. Instead of responding to Islamophobia you merely deleted it and then made a general (and generally impotent) announcement, whereas I was labeled part of the problem. It reminds me of Trump's response to Charlottesville.
Remove the commenters, instead of merely deleting their comments. I've seen no evidence you've ever done this and can recall plenty of times that you haven't.
If you think you can't do anything, well, what were you saying about part of the problem?
@antdickens When you and the other moderators do a better job of keeping racism from appearing in the first place, instead of just silently deleting comments and trying to pretend it never happened, then I'll stick to video games. But until then I'll call out racism when I see it and not worry that a coward wants me to remain "on-topic".
@Keldorek Nailed it. It bothers me that everyone claims that the eShop is overpriced rather than considering that the App Store and Google Play are underpriced.
@gameboy1975 Good decision. @Agramonte is amazingly bad at trolling, which is almost unthinkable given how often he does it; you'd think he'd have had enough practice by now to be at least decent. Save your response for someone worthy of it.
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Re: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Speeds Its Way Back Into The UK Charts Top Ten
@Agramonte What E3 are you watching? The press conference that tried to pretend the Switch didn't exist was dull as dirt, and the exciting press conference was more than happy to include the Switch, and not just as a mere afterthought. I'm under no delusion that everything Bethesda showed is Switch-bound, but it's also clear that Bethesda is serious about the Switch and will bring what makes sense.
Re: Bethesda's Fallout Shelter Arrives On The Nintendo Switch Today
@gatorboi352 Of course you are.
Re: Another World Targets 25th June Release On Nintendo Switch
Oh look @Menchi187 being Menchi again.
Re: Colourful Platformer de Blob Inks In Switch Release Date And Brand New Trailer
@Silly_G Splatoon 2 isn't a collectathon platformer. Kinda shocked you don't know that.
Re: Rumour: Hastily Updated Amazon Listing Suggests Fallout 76 Will Arrive On 31st July
If you're going to post non-Nintendo news, NL, you might as well go all out and start posting non-video game news as well. With the World Cup right around the corner it'd be perfect. I'm looking forward to your reaction when England loses in the Round of 16.
Re: EA Says Fifa 19 On Switch Will Build Upon Its Custom Engine To Improve Graphics
Interesting. Wish I could remember everyone who said Switch wasn't getting another FIFA.
Re: Hands On: Prepare For the Fight of Your Life in Octopath Traveler
@Waifu4Laifu He's here because it's important for him to let everyone know how his eyes have been opened and that we need to open our eyes too. The zeal of the newly converted, as I once heard it phrased.
Re: Exclusive: Shelter Generations Is Getting A Wild New Physical Edition On Nintendo Switch
@VoiceOfReason20X No publisher caters to scalpers. Do you honestly believe anyone would base their decisions on someone else's ability to profit?
Re: Wulverblade Developer Highlights Success On Switch
@Agramonte Sure, dude, whatever. If you're so determined to downplay the contribution the Switch is making to a developer's success there's nothing I can say that would convince you otherwise. But I'm certain that if PS4 had the longest bar you'd latch onto its significance.
Re: Wulverblade Developer Highlights Success On Switch
@gortsi GoNintendo. It's a smaller community than here and feels less comment-driven, so he doesn't get quite the response, but he's up to his usual tricks so if you want to play E3 Bingo head on over.
Re: Wulverblade Developer Highlights Success On Switch
@Agramonte Not true. The entire point of the graph is that Switch sales are thrice the other platforms combined. It's more impactful to show a picture than just say Switch accounts for 75% of all copies sold
Re: Wulverblade Developer Highlights Success On Switch
@gortsi Sadly, the troll who left here appeared at another site I frequent, so I'm still subject to his insanity.
Re: Zelda-Inspired Action RPG Songbringer Brings Top-Down Adventure To Switch Next Week
@Crono1973 As far as I can tell you are making absolutely no effort at understanding what @GraveLordXD is saying. You may wish to parse his comments a bit more closely and then respond to what he's actually saying.
Re: Zelda-Inspired Action RPG Songbringer Brings Top-Down Adventure To Switch Next Week
@NImH You're correct; what I'm saying has nothing to do with the difference between design and procedural generation. I am, indeed, commenting on a different point--but it's one that you yourself made. To quote you directly:
a throwaway, random world that no one else but you experiences
That simply isn't true. Anyone using the same seed will experience the same world. They did that intentionally, so that if someone discovers an interesting world--and one could certainly dispute that procedural generation automatically entails soullessness--then that world can be shared. It will not be destined to be played only once.
Re: Zelda-Inspired Action RPG Songbringer Brings Top-Down Adventure To Switch Next Week
@NImH Random number generators aren't actually random. They're algorithms that use seeds to produce outputs and are completely determined by the seeds. When the seeds are random the outputs will appear to be random as well, but if the seeds aren't random, as when they are chosen by the player, neither will the outputs be.
Re: Zelda-Inspired Action RPG Songbringer Brings Top-Down Adventure To Switch Next Week
@AcesHigh Should this game prove successful it will have zero influence on AAA development or budgets, and not appealing to one particular person is not the same as being detrimental to the market.
Re: Zelda-Inspired Action RPG Songbringer Brings Top-Down Adventure To Switch Next Week
@NImH Other people will experience the same world by using the same seed.
Re: Review: Mega Man Legacy Collection (Switch eShop)
@gatorboi352 You're no more under my skin than Nintendo is under yours.
Re: Review: Mega Man Legacy Collection (Switch eShop)
@gatorboi352 Because, owning a Nintendo console, you were starved for games and would buy anything?
Re: Gorogoa Is Getting An Update, Adding In An Extra Puzzle From The Original Demo
@Lroy On average games with demos sell fewer copies than games without them. I guess enough people are willing to buy a game if they are moderately interested that giving them a way to check the game out for free costs more sales than it generates.
Re: Video: Some Mario Games Just Can't Properly Be Played Anymore
@bimmy-lee Thanks. Also, regarding your comment to @electrolite77: I'm reminded of a concept that I learned from (IIRC) Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, which is that the more passionate people are about an idea, the less certain they are that it's correct, not the more. As you said, anybody who truly disliked Nintendo would have nothing to do with them or with the people having anything to do with them, like fan sites on the internet. The people we get here, however, need someone else to validate their opinions, because they can't do it for themselves. It's really quite pathetic, and I mean both the modern, scornful sense of that word, and the root sense invoking pity.
Re: Video: Some Mario Games Just Can't Properly Be Played Anymore
@Menchi187 Actually, 20 years from now you'll still be able to play games that are part cart, part download through the simple technique of not deleting the downloaded data. Much the same way you'll be able to play cart games if you don't throw them away.
Re: South Korean Listing Suggests Ubisoft's Hungry Shark World Will Swim From Mobile To Switch
@Mr_Pepperami I'm going to assume you don't see the irony in holding an inherently dismissive opinion and then claiming offense at being dismissed.
Re: South Korean Listing Suggests Ubisoft's Hungry Shark World Will Swim From Mobile To Switch
@Mr_Pepperami I haven't actually shown you anything. What you're seeing is your own assumptions.
You'll understand that someday.
Re: South Korean Listing Suggests Ubisoft's Hungry Shark World Will Swim From Mobile To Switch
@Mr_Pepperami Well done drawing conclusions about me from a few comments. Anything thing else about me that you'd like to enlighten me with?
Re: South Korean Listing Suggests Ubisoft's Hungry Shark World Will Swim From Mobile To Switch
@Mr_Pepperami Yes, but my opinion doesn't involve believing that what I don't like shouldn't be available for those who might like it.
Re: South Korean Listing Suggests Ubisoft's Hungry Shark World Will Swim From Mobile To Switch
@AxeltheBuizel "Well, I was going to buy a Switch so I could play Zelda and Super Mario and Splatoon, but Hungry Shark World is available so I'll get an Xbox instead." will be said by literally nobody ever.
Re: South Korean Listing Suggests Ubisoft's Hungry Shark World Will Swim From Mobile To Switch
@Mr_Pepperami If it's a game that people who are serious about gaming might enjoy, then it belongs on a serious gaming machine, whatever the hell that is. And if it's good enough to stay on someone's phone for years instead of being deleted, it's good enough to be on the Switch.
Re: Cave Story And The Binding Of Isaac Go Head-To-Head In New Puzzle-Fighter, Crystal Crisis
@Tibob I'm here to serve.
Re: Cave Story And The Binding Of Isaac Go Head-To-Head In New Puzzle-Fighter, Crystal Crisis
Cave Story >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Binding of Isaac.
Re: The Virtual Console Isn't Coming To Switch, Nintendo Confirms
@electrolite77 People's attitudes towards the Virtual Console both amuse and befuddle me. Setting aside the ridiculousness of people complaining about both too many ports and not enough ports at the same time, every time Nintendo has re-released games for a new system they got criticized for selling us the same games for the fourth or fifth time, as though merely offering them for sale somehow obligated us to purchase them again. Furthermore, while I understand wanting to have your favorite games on both your console and your portable, (which can now be the same system, creating an obvious market for the Switch,) anybody who has already bought these games can still play them, simply by leaving older consoles connected to their TV, or by carrying their 3DS around as was intended. (And since anyone who carries their Switch around has a case for it that has room for a 3DS, I don't want to hear about it being a hassle to carry two portables.) The only people who are actually missing out are people who are interested in retro titles but own only a Switch. Somehow I imagine that's a tiny demographic that the loudest voices complaining don't belong to.
Re: Video: Here Are 10 New Switch Games Coming To Nintendo Switch In May
@gatorboi352 Let's all say it together again. There's no such thing as the NDF. It's a meaningless phrase designed to dismiss an entire group of people. You don't like what you used to like, and that's all.
Re: Nintendo Download: 3rd May (North America)
@JHDK Cranky wonders why age matters to majorness but not being one of the finest platformers ever crafted. Also, Shantae says hi.
Re: Switch Gets Another Slice Of Sci-Fi Noir When The Fall Drops On 10th May
I love this game and will be double-dipping mostly because I didn't actually buy it originally but got it in a bundle which doesn't count as supporting developers.
Re: Nintendo Download: 3rd May (North America)
@JHDK Cranky Kong wants to know what definition of "major standout" you're using.
Re: Review: Nintendo Labo: Toy-Con 02 - Robot Kit (Switch)
@gatorboi352 There's no need for a solid counterargument when there's no solid argument in the first place. As for bashing the mods, well, while they eventually did better, at the time I made the comment you're undoubtedly referring to the mods were doing a poor job of dealing with the Islamophobia that had appeared in the comments, and were more worried about me calling it out than its presence in the first place. I trust you won't join them in telling me not to confront racism and to stick to video games...
Re: Review: Nintendo Labo: Toy-Con 02 - Robot Kit (Switch)
@gatorboi352 I gotta admit, you got me. Not in terms of having produced an unassailable argument, mind you; it's just that in using meaningless marketingspeak like "mindshare" you've taken the discussion somewhere I'm incapable of following.
May your buzzwords bring you solace, and may the feeling that other people approve of your choice in system allow you to enjoy it. I hope you don't mind that when I get home tonight I enjoy my Switch, even though people don't think of it when someone mentions gaming.
Re: Review: Nintendo Labo: Toy-Con 02 - Robot Kit (Switch)
@gatorboi352 So when you say they're leaders you meant they have been in the past. Your ability to move goalposts amazes.
Re: Review: Nintendo Labo: Toy-Con 02 - Robot Kit (Switch)
@gatorboi352 Curious that you call Microsoft a market leader when PS4 outsells the Bone 2 to 1. If anyone said something like that about Nintendo you'd trot out your NDF nonsense.
Re: Death Road To Canada Delayed Following The Recent Attack In Toronto
@TPort777 They're here to develop a video game community. If they don't actively keep racism out they'll be left with a racist community.
Re: Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze Disappears From The North American Wii U eShop
@gatorboi352 NDFers aren't a real thing. The xeal of the newly converted is, and constantly seeing it here is tiresome. It's a shame, too, because once upon a time, when you weren't seeing bogeymen everywhere, you actually said things worth saying. Why can't you just accept that it's okay to like Nintendo? It's fine that you don't, but it was also fine when you did.
Re: Streets Of Red Is The Latest Indie Game To Find Huge Success On The Switch
The gaming market will be healthier when there are more games that are profitable after 10,000 sales than games that lose money after a million sales. If you care about gaming, not just as a hobby for yourself but also as a place developers can be rewarded for their efforts, then you should support and play games like this.
Re: Soapbox: How Nintendo Switch Helped Break My Crippling Obsession With Achievements
@gatorboi352 By all means, continue to generalize. Also, continue to surround yourself with other xealots who will reinforce your belief that you see saltiness. All I see are people who are tired of being told that achievements are an essential feature of modern gaming (they're not), that Nintendo is behind the times for not mandating them (they're not), and that blind fanboyism is the only possible reason for their attitude (it isn't).
Re: Soapbox: How Nintendo Switch Helped Break My Crippling Obsession With Achievements
@gatorboi352 That's a rather odd and short comment that isn't really saying much of anything of real substance. It always cracked me up, this hive mind that thinks there's such a thing as NDFers.
Re: Death Road To Canada Delayed Following The Recent Attack In Toronto
@antdickens Some ways to prevent racism in your community:
Remove the comments immediately, instead of waiting for a report. You clearly didn't do that.
Respond to the comments yourselves. Instead of responding to Islamophobia you merely deleted it and then made a general (and generally impotent) announcement, whereas I was labeled part of the problem. It reminds me of Trump's response to Charlottesville.
Remove the commenters, instead of merely deleting their comments. I've seen no evidence you've ever done this and can recall plenty of times that you haven't.
If you think you can't do anything, well, what were you saying about part of the problem?
Re: Death Road To Canada Delayed Following The Recent Attack In Toronto
@antdickens When you and the other moderators do a better job of keeping racism from appearing in the first place, instead of just silently deleting comments and trying to pretend it never happened, then I'll stick to video games. But until then I'll call out racism when I see it and not worry that a coward wants me to remain "on-topic".
Re: Review: Burly Men at Sea (Switch eShop)
@Keldorek Nailed it. It bothers me that everyone claims that the eShop is overpriced rather than considering that the App Store and Google Play are underpriced.
Re: Animal Super Squad, The New Game From PewDiePie, Is Headed To Switch
@ZUCCOFF That is literally the least understandable comment I've ever read.
Re: Animal Super Squad, The New Game From PewDiePie, Is Headed To Switch
@bignrules Your continued obsession with replying to me makes you seem more reasonable with each passing day.
Re: Sega Reveals Shenmue 1 & 2 Remaster, But It's Skipping Switch
@gameboy1975 Good decision. @Agramonte is amazingly bad at trolling, which is almost unthinkable given how often he does it; you'd think he'd have had enough practice by now to be at least decent. Save your response for someone worthy of it.