@SamirMalik That's all fine and dandy, but at the end of the day he's still a palette-swap of Pit. If he was more different in appearance from regular Pit besides black, then I wouldn't mind as much.
@Caryslan I highly doubt whether or not a series is currently "dead" determines if they should have a new rep. If anything, more reps would help the series get more attention.
Other M was a polarizing game, but it wouldn't be the reason to not have any new reps. Because every other series has had 9-10/10 games every time, right?
Sakurai just doesn't care for Metroid or F-Zero. Goroh and Dark Samus had every right to be playable. Making them assist trophies and instead adding Dark Pit (and Dr. Mario, I still don't get that) is nothing short of insulting. He simply favors the series' he's worked on; and judging by this final roster, I stand by that.
@SamirMalik You're kidding right? Dark Pit is more interesting? Dark Samus' creation alone is more interesting.
She was the result of Metroid Prime's combination with Samus' Phazon suit following its defeat. In Prime 2 she was Samus in name only; she was a feral, yet calculating creature who's mission was to harvest Phazon all over the planet Aether, in order to gain strength. Her and Samus had multiple, intense encounters with little more than body language as their "dialogue." No quips, no generic "faker" banter; just body language.
In Prime 3 she basically became a god-like figure to the Space Pirates; brain-washing the ones who would serve her and making them her disciples, then outright killed those who opposed her. Throughout the game's Pirate Logs you find out she searched for planet Phaaze: the source of all Phazon; as well as discovering the Leviathans, which were basically controllable Phazon missiles. In the end she becomes one with Phaaze in order to fight Samus but ultimately fails.
@C-Olimar What's even more irritating is that from the looks of all the alt color palettes, Pit still has his Dark Pit colors. Also, we totally needed Dr. Mario back as his own character, instead of a just being a simple alt costume.
Nice going there Sakurai, getting rid of clones and all...
Hopefully Wii U does get the DLC as I'd love to play The Dark Knight and Batman 75th packs. If not then they'll have lost a(nother) potential customer.
I'm a sucker for First Appearance Batman's suit and since we never got any legit Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises games, a Lego version would be the next best thing.
@JaxonH To me, the Primes 2-3 design of the suit was just about perfect in all respects.
It remained true to the suits' roots, (suits' roots?) while evolving into something more modern. The little details; like the tweaked visor shape, extra panel-lining and green lights spread throughout, the slimmed-down but still imposing look to it all, the sense of weight it looked like it had whenever she moved, etc.
Other M went a full 180, and basically made Samus' 16-bit sprite in 3D; devoid of anything interesting to look at besides Samus' overly exposed face (how's it a protective helmet if you can see her whole head through the visor?)
I don't know, I think Retro put a lot of effort into redesigning Samus' suit and it was unfairly scrapped in favor of something inferior.
I quite like the stylized Samus. Its miles more interesting and unique than her iPod-inspired look from Other M. Well, pretty much anything in comparison looks better than in Other M.
I'm disappointed with Samus, since I was hoping there would be actual alt. suits instead of palette swaps. The Light, Dark, and Fusion suits are the only ones of the bunch that aren't palette swaps in the actual games.
Meanwhile Zero suit Samus gets her two-piece outfits from Zero Mission/Fusion's endings, and Little Mac gets a wireframe look and his pink hoodie.
Are only some characters getting costume swaps or what? :
@DiscoGentleman I don't know, its probably the revealing of these particular reps all in a row that bugs me. Too many anime-faced archetypes for my tastes. The supposed leak of the roster just looks off with all those characters in between the more "Nintendo-y" ones, imho.
Another realistic human being; wielding a sword no less?
What happened to the zany, oddball aspects of the character roster? SSB4 is starting to get full of Final Fantasy would-bes. It sort of ruins that special charm SSB is known for.
I've noticed that Smash 4 has added a lot more realistically-proportioned humans into the mix. I find it boring in the sense that "that's the best they can come up with?" At least Wii Fit Trainer is quirky.
We need more zany characters like Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt Dog, should this leak prove to be true.
@Trikeboy The thing that bugged me personally, was that it felt like Samus was two completely different people in Other M; the one you actually control and the one in the cutscenes. One minute you're blasting up a boss in an over-the-top fashion, suddenly a cutscene starts and she's all mopey about what Adam thinks about her; its so alien.
Samus did have a personality in the Prime trilogy though; she was a super tough female bounty hunter, true. But she also put her life before others in order to ensure their safely (the Luminoth, GFed troopers in Prime 3, etc.), she had compassion; lamented the deaths of her allies, and she never let the loss of them stop her from completing her mission.
Most of the Fusion and Other M connections regarding her characterization have to do with the fact that Yoshino Sakamoto directed them both. She was fine in Fusion, but I think the lack of VA helped.
If Other M was a prequel or even sequel to the first game but before the Prime games, I think it would've worked a lot better; Ridley break-down scene and all.
I miss when you barely saw more than her face Prime 1, even at 100% completion; She had more of a mystique.
Even with the Zero suit invented by Prime 3, at least Retro used it tastefully. (showing only parts of her face and body, and never being sexual in any way) Samus nowadays is just blatant, over-done fanservice. (Thanks to Brawl mainly; a body suit doesn't work like that for a woman's chest-area)
It used to be a treat to see the heroine take off her suit; now its just commonplace and honestly uninteresting.
Its like a Batman movie where Batman's Bruce Wayne most of the time.
While I'm all for these alt. suits due to them being more practical and all (and a nice nod to those ending pics from Zero Mission), you can almost hear the creeps hyperventilating...
Sakurai's lying about the designer being female, obviously. I remember seeing some translated notes of concept art for Zero Mission; with one saying "I'm really going to enjoy drawing this!!!" with an arrow pointing at Samus' behind.
They seriously outdid themselves with Prime 3 in every way possible. The art design, the gameplay, the epic story, and its cinematic elements were all just top notch. They took advantage of the Wii's capabilities and added motion controls effortlessly to the experience.
Honestly, I'd rather have new games than HD remasters.
Making an already great-looking batch of titles that I own (Prime Trilogy, Galaxy 1-2, and GX) and have immensely enjoyed in HD isn't enough to make me buy them again.
For some reason I haven't gotten Undercover yet. It really reminds me of those older Lego games on PC like Lego Island, which I enjoyed for countless hours back in the day. Gotta fix that!
I'm bummed the awesomeness that is the Light suit, is nothing more than a palette swap.
Its one of the few suits from the series that is an actual different suit, as opposed to a simple color change. Makes me wonder what actual alt. costumes Samus will have...
I like it! That little Metroid sidekick would definately of been a thing had there been such a show.
Its odd that pretty much every big name Nintendo franchise has had at least some kind of cartoon, besides Metroid and Star Fox. It'd be awesome to one day see Metroid on TV, or even as a live action movie...
@SamirMalik Yeah he looks more like a superhero from an old Japanese show even more so, than the F-Zero racer, part-time bounty hunter he's supposed to be.
Looks fairly interesting! All the Metroid talk has me hoping we hear of a new title in the works before Sync's release date. (Fingers crossed!)
@SecondServing You're kidding right? The Wii remote made playing games like Metroid Prime Trilogy, Red Steel 2, Resident Evil 4, and most FPSs released on Wii MUCH more intuitive, unique, and precise than traditional analog controls.
Who wouldn't want to be themselves and battle alongside (or against) their favorite characters? Then there's the unlimited possibilities of "who else you could use or make a Mii of to fight with?"
Absolutely loved how Nintendo handled this year's E3!
The Digital Event was a much more relaxed, entertaining time than the awkward, more formal approach to the pre-recorded presentation from last year. I think this is the future of E3, and its for the better.
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Re: Gallery: A Closer Look at the Six New amiibo Figures
Samus and Captain Falcon are my two most wanted! Both have a fantastic amount of detailing!
I'd get Luigi too, but his pose looks weird and awkward.
Re: Orbital Gate Stage Brings Star Fox Mayhem to Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
A stage based off my favorite Star Fox game. Awesome!
Re: Impending Japanese Launch Of Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS Brings New Character Reveals
@SamirMalik That's all fine and dandy, but at the end of the day he's still a palette-swap of Pit. If he was more different in appearance from regular Pit besides black, then I wouldn't mind as much.
Re: Impending Japanese Launch Of Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS Brings New Character Reveals
@Caryslan I highly doubt whether or not a series is currently "dead" determines if they should have a new rep. If anything, more reps would help the series get more attention.
Other M was a polarizing game, but it wouldn't be the reason to not have any new reps. Because every other series has had 9-10/10 games every time, right?
Sakurai just doesn't care for Metroid or F-Zero. Goroh and Dark Samus had every right to be playable. Making them assist trophies and instead adding Dark Pit (and Dr. Mario, I still don't get that) is nothing short of insulting. He simply favors the series' he's worked on; and judging by this final roster, I stand by that.
Re: Impending Japanese Launch Of Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS Brings New Character Reveals
@minotaurgamer I couldn't agree more. In Brawl we got two Kirby reps, now we got two Kid Icarus reps.
Meanwhile an F-Zero character (Goroh) and a Metroid character; (Dark Samus) who had plenty of potential to be reps, were demoted to assist trophies.
I smell a conspiracy...
Re: Impending Japanese Launch Of Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS Brings New Character Reveals
@SamirMalik You're kidding right? Dark Pit is more interesting? Dark Samus' creation alone is more interesting.
She was the result of Metroid Prime's combination with Samus' Phazon suit following its defeat. In Prime 2 she was Samus in name only; she was a feral, yet calculating creature who's mission was to harvest Phazon all over the planet Aether, in order to gain strength. Her and Samus had multiple, intense encounters with little more than body language as their "dialogue." No quips, no generic "faker" banter; just body language.
In Prime 3 she basically became a god-like figure to the Space Pirates; brain-washing the ones who would serve her and making them her disciples, then outright killed those who opposed her. Throughout the game's Pirate Logs you find out she searched for planet Phaaze: the source of all Phazon; as well as discovering the Leviathans, which were basically controllable Phazon missiles. In the end she becomes one with Phaaze in order to fight Samus but ultimately fails.
Yeah, Dark Pit is so much more interesting. "A flawed, incomplete clone of Pit." Pit in looks only, huh? I think you've got it backwards. Those other tropes you listed for him don't help break the "cliché evil doppelganger" vibe he gives. He's no different than Shadow the Hedgehog.
Re: Keep Your Eyes Peeled for this Orchestral Metroid Album
Dang, just the preview of some of the tracks was nothing short of amazing! Now I'm thinking about when/if we'll ever see a Prime 4.
Re: Impending Japanese Launch Of Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS Brings New Character Reveals
@siavm Because we really needed a character who started out as a palette swap in Brawl to be playable over one of Samus' most cunning, powerful adversaries; who is also more than a cliché evil doppelganger.
Re: Impending Japanese Launch Of Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS Brings New Character Reveals
@C-Olimar What's even more irritating is that from the looks of all the alt color palettes, Pit still has his Dark Pit colors. Also, we totally needed Dr. Mario back as his own character, instead of a just being a simple alt costume.
Nice going there Sakurai, getting rid of clones and all...
Re: Impending Japanese Launch Of Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS Brings New Character Reveals
>Dark Pit is put in over Dark Samus
Gotta love that bias.
Re: LEGO Batman 3: Beyond Gotham DLC Season Pass is Skipping Wii U
Hopefully Wii U does get the DLC as I'd love to play The Dark Knight and Batman 75th packs. If not then they'll have lost a(nother) potential customer.
I'm a sucker for First Appearance Batman's suit and since we never got any legit Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises games, a Lego version would be the next best thing.
Re: Feature: We Put Bayonetta 2's Nintendo Outfits to the Test
@Diz93 I wholeheartedly agree with you. This would be embarrassing to play in front of people.
I could barely play Catwoman's missions in Arkham City due to the 12-year-old mentality that went into her outfit, walk cycle, "fighting" moves, etc.
Re: Rumour: Concept Work from Former Next Level Games Artist Shows a Certain Bounty Hunter
@JaxonH To me, the Primes 2-3 design of the suit was just about perfect in all respects.
It remained true to the suits' roots, (suits' roots?) while evolving into something more modern. The little details; like the tweaked visor shape, extra panel-lining and green lights spread throughout, the slimmed-down but still imposing look to it all, the sense of weight it looked like it had whenever she moved, etc.
Other M went a full 180, and basically made Samus' 16-bit sprite in 3D; devoid of anything interesting to look at besides Samus' overly exposed face (how's it a protective helmet if you can see her whole head through the visor?)
I don't know, I think Retro put a lot of effort into redesigning Samus' suit and it was unfairly scrapped in favor of something inferior.
Re: Rumour: Concept Work from Former Next Level Games Artist Shows a Certain Bounty Hunter
I quite like the stylized Samus. Its miles more interesting and unique than her iPod-inspired look from Other M. Well, pretty much anything in comparison looks better than in Other M.
Re: You Can Dress Up As Fox McCloud Thanks To Bayonetta 2's Star Fox Costume
@DiscoGentleman I noticed in an earlier post you commented that Shulk looked sexy in his underoos costume.
Are you a rabbid Anti-Foxite?

Re: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and Nintendo 3DS Step Up With More Outfit Variations
I'm disappointed with Samus, since I was hoping there would be actual alt. suits instead of palette swaps. The Light, Dark, and Fusion suits are the only ones of the bunch that aren't palette swaps in the actual games.
Meanwhile Zero suit Samus gets her two-piece outfits from Zero Mission/Fusion's endings, and Little Mac gets a wireframe look and his pink hoodie.
Are only some characters getting costume swaps or what? :
Re: Gallery: It's Time for a Shulk Super Smash Bros. Blowout
@DiscoGentleman I don't know, its probably the revealing of these particular reps all in a row that bugs me. Too many anime-faced archetypes for my tastes. The supposed leak of the roster just looks off with all those characters in between the more "Nintendo-y" ones, imho.
Re: Gallery: It's Time for a Shulk Super Smash Bros. Blowout
Another realistic human being; wielding a sword no less?
What happened to the zany, oddball aspects of the character roster? SSB4 is starting to get full of Final Fantasy would-bes. It sort of ruins that special charm SSB is known for.
Re: Nintendo Has Nothing to Say About Recent Smash Bros. Video
I've noticed that Smash 4 has added a lot more realistically-proportioned humans into the mix. I find it boring in the sense that "that's the best they can come up with?" At least Wii Fit Trainer is quirky.
We need more zany characters like Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt Dog, should this leak prove to be true.
Re: Mario Kart 8 DLC Coming In November, Features Zelda, F-Zero And Animal Crossing
Wow nice! So it begins...
But why more Mario and Peach variants as racers? Regular, metal/gold, and baby versions aren't enough?
Love that SNES Blue Falcon though! I'd love to see Samus's ship become a kart now; with her driving it of course.
Re: Amazon Pre-order Bonus Will Light Up Your Sonic Boom Characters
Its honestly a pretty cool bonus.
Re: Talking Point: A History of the Sexualisation of Samus
@Trikeboy The thing that bugged me personally, was that it felt like Samus was two completely different people in Other M; the one you actually control and the one in the cutscenes. One minute you're blasting up a boss in an over-the-top fashion, suddenly a cutscene starts and she's all mopey about what Adam thinks about her; its so alien.
Samus did have a personality in the Prime trilogy though; she was a super tough female bounty hunter, true. But she also put her life before others in order to ensure their safely (the Luminoth, GFed troopers in Prime 3, etc.), she had compassion; lamented the deaths of her allies, and she never let the loss of them stop her from completing her mission.
-Prime 2 cutscene where she finds the GFed Troopers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXDdw6VCH-w (starts at 0:30.)
-Prime 3's 75% ending https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPXPA627rY0
Most of the Fusion and Other M connections regarding her characterization have to do with the fact that Yoshino Sakamoto directed them both. She was fine in Fusion, but I think the lack of VA helped.
If Other M was a prequel or even sequel to the first game but before the Prime games, I think it would've worked a lot better; Ridley break-down scene and all.
Re: Talking Point: A History of the Sexualisation of Samus
I miss when you barely saw more than her face Prime 1, even at 100% completion; She had more of a mystique.
Even with the Zero suit invented by Prime 3, at least Retro used it tastefully. (showing only parts of her face and body, and never being sexual in any way) Samus nowadays is just blatant, over-done fanservice. (Thanks to Brawl mainly; a body suit doesn't work like that for a woman's chest-area)
It used to be a treat to see the heroine take off her suit; now its just commonplace and honestly uninteresting.
Its like a Batman movie where Batman's Bruce Wayne most of the time.
Re: Brinstar Confirmed as Classic Stage for Smash Bros. 3DS
Nice! Brinstar is one of my favorite stages!
While I'm all for these alt. suits due to them being more practical and all (and a nice nod to those ending pics from Zero Mission), you can almost hear the creeps hyperventilating...
Sakurai's lying about the designer being female, obviously. I remember seeing some translated notes of concept art for Zero Mission; with one saying "I'm really going to enjoy drawing this!!!" with an arrow pointing at Samus' behind.
Re: Retro Studios Ramps Up Recruitment for a Variety of Vital Roles
Fingers crossed for Metroid!
They seriously outdid themselves with Prime 3 in every way possible. The art design, the gameplay, the epic story, and its cinematic elements were all just top notch. They took advantage of the Wii's capabilities and added motion controls effortlessly to the experience.
Its been my all-time favorite game ever since!
Re: Feature: HD Remasters That Would Be Perfect for Wii U
Honestly, I'd rather have new games than HD remasters.
Making an already great-looking batch of titles that I own (Prime Trilogy, Galaxy 1-2, and GX) and have immensely enjoyed in HD isn't enough to make me buy them again.
Re: Beautiful Limited Edition Super Smash Bros. 3DS XL Console Bundle Revealed
Now THAT'S an awesome 3DS!
I hope we at least get the t-shirt with the Wii U version.
Re: A Pre-order of Sonic Boom Will Bag You an Exclusive Sonic Figurine
I'm a sucker for toys. Might consider pre-ordering...
Re: This Master Arts Metroid Prime 2 Light Suit From First 4 Figures Has Lit Up Our Day
Wow... I'd love to have one, as well as the Varia suit and Gunship models F4F has made in the past.
But obviously, the price is just too steep.
Re: Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures 2 Confirmed for October Release Worldwide
Gosh, they sure made Pac-Man creepy on the game's boxart.
That poor blue ghost...
Re: Gallery: A Closer Look At 13 amiibo Toys
Give me Samus, and nobody gets hurt.
Re: Adam West Dusts Off His Bat-Vocals for LEGO Batman 3
@Bizzyb Yeah, I do have a Wii U.
For some reason I haven't gotten Undercover yet. It really reminds me of those older Lego games on PC like Lego Island, which I enjoyed for countless hours back in the day. Gotta fix that!
Re: Feature: A Week of Super Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS Screens - Issue Forty Eight
Assault Great Fox ftw!!
Re: Adam West Dusts Off His Bat-Vocals for LEGO Batman 3
Looks fun! The only Lego game I've bought is Lego Star Wars the Complete Saga.
I AM tempted to get this, Adam West is almost worth the price alone!
Re: Sonic Boom Release Dates Are Confirmed for Wii U and 3DS
I'll be keeping an eye on it. Hope it turns out good!
Re: Feature: A Week of Super Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS Screens - Issue Forty Six
I'm bummed the awesomeness that is the Light suit, is nothing more than a palette swap.
Its one of the few suits from the series that is an actual different suit, as opposed to a simple color change. Makes me wonder what actual alt. costumes Samus will have...
Re: Here's What Metroid's Samus Aran Would Look Like As A Saturday Morning Cartoon Character
I like it! That little Metroid sidekick would definately of been a thing had there been such a show.
Its odd that pretty much every big name Nintendo franchise has had at least some kind of cartoon, besides Metroid and Star Fox. It'd be awesome to one day see Metroid on TV, or even as a live action movie...
Re: Feast Your Eyes On The Official Super Smash Bros. Screens for Robin, Lucina and Captain Falcon
@SamirMalik Yeah he looks more like a superhero from an old Japanese show even more so, than the F-Zero racer, part-time bounty hunter he's supposed to be.
Re: Angry Video Game Nerd Adventures Is Leaping To The Wii U And 3DS "Very Soon"
I am a huge AVGN fan, but not really sure if I'd get it. Perhaps if the price is right...
Re: Feast Your Eyes On The Official Super Smash Bros. Screens for Robin, Lucina and Captain Falcon
So happy Captain Falcon is bright and colorful again!
He also looks a bit more comic booky; definately a better style compared to his overly detailed, muted-colored look in Brawl.
Re: Captain Falcon, Lucina and Robin All Join The Super Smash Bros. Roster
Not an FE fan, but Captain Falcon's return was more than enough for me!
Re: New Fighter for Super Smash Bros. to be Revealed on 14th July
Just give us Ridley already!
Eggman would be awesome too.
Re: Exclusive: Getting Into Sync With Dead Pixel Entertainment's Wii U Exclusive First Person Shooter
Looks fairly interesting! All the Metroid talk has me hoping we hear of a new title in the works before Sync's release date. (Fingers crossed!)
@SecondServing You're kidding right? The Wii remote made playing games like Metroid Prime Trilogy, Red Steel 2, Resident Evil 4, and most FPSs released on Wii MUCH more intuitive, unique, and precise than traditional analog controls.
Re: Movie-based Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Game Coming to 3DS
I'll keep an eye on this. The movie looks fun and there hasn't been a decent TMNT game on the 3DS yet.
Re: Nintendo 64 Titles Heading to the Wii U Virtual Console
I already bought all the N64 games I could want off Wii's VC.
Maybe if they added Pilotwings 64...
Re: Talking Point: Mii, Myself and I - The Arguments For and Against Miis in Super Smash Bros.
I'm glad Mii's are being added.
Who wouldn't want to be themselves and battle alongside (or against) their favorite characters? Then there's the unlimited possibilities of "who else you could use or make a Mii of to fight with?"
Re: Poll: What Did You Think of Nintendo's E3?
Absolutely loved how Nintendo handled this year's E3!
The Digital Event was a much more relaxed, entertaining time than the awkward, more formal approach to the pre-recorded presentation from last year. I think this is the future of E3, and its for the better.
Amazing job Nintendo!
Re: E3 2014: Reggie Fils-A-Mech Does Battle With Shigeru Miyamoto, Sort Of
This is why I love Nintendo.
At the end of the day they just like having fun.
Re: E3 2014: Nintendo Hopes to Share Metroid News in the "Near Future"
I'm very happy Nintendo hasn't given up on Metroid. I personally enjoy the Prime style a bit more, but I'm fine with either gameplay style.
So we potentially have Star Fox AND Metroid games in development now?

Re: Feature: All Of The Vital Super Smash Bros. Roundtable Details, As Pac-Man Joins The Fight
SO happy Pac-Man finally made it!
Now SSB4 is truly the ultimate crossover in videogame history.