I'm glad they are taking their time on this. We need good Marvel games. I just hope that the Switch version does not get delayed and release at the same time as other platforms.
Im gonna go a little off the main topic but since many have been mentioning the family plan, just wanna share how I use it to save on game purchases. In some instances I only need to buy a game once if I want to play multiplayer for 2 switches simoultaneously with a single digital game license. This is only possible with NSO because you cannot play the same game copy simoultaneously in local multiplayer. Online will bypass this restriction and to me I get my money's worth in the family sub by not having to buy the same game twice.
@Floki I think my point was a little misunderstood. It was based from an earlier comment regarding a cloud version of the game. Cause if it is indeed in the cloud it can never be a definitive handheld version as you say. The general verdict regarding cloud gaming on the Switch is mostly negative and I suspect that very little of those 90 million users are interested to spend money on this. Also, current players invested in the game have very little incentive to play it on the cloud on a portable platform when they can just grind on their phones natively while they are away from their home consoles/PC. Now a native port is a different story of course. As an example, Apex Legends took the porting route and are now reaping the benefits of it.
@anoyonmus Oh alright, didn't see any info yet regarding that one. Doesn't really make sense to have it on the cloud since its on mobile anyway. Business-wise it would be better to just shelve it for Switch. Servers cost money and the game is f2p. The market share on the Switch will be extremely low as a lot of other players are already invested in other platforms.
EDIT: If you meant the new game then it would make sense, I was referring to Genshin on my comment above btw.
I don't know much about the blockchain tech but this is because of Axie Infinity right? My bro-in-law told me about it recently since it was really popular and he knew I was into gaming. I had no idea what it was though lol!
@Noelemahc Im down for a MW Remastered port as well. Anything after BO2 is just bad tho. Didn't know VV were their Switch port specialists. Are they the ones who did the Overwatch port?
Wow just another terrible and sneaky move by a crap company. I can imagine them feeling all good and festive with their costumes and all then suddenly being pissed and confused. Next thing you know they'll be forced to work on Call of Duty or something.
Played a bit of the 1st game on the 360 as I got it for free on GWG. Didn't get very far so I might give it a second look this weekend to see if its something I will enjoy.
Been delaying my pre-order but I might have to do it tomorrow as the release date nears. Right on time as I finish my Nocturne playthrough this weekend!
From what I understand, Meguro-san will continue to work on Atlus games (likely on the upcoming Persona game and I think he is doing Re Fantasy as well). Hopefully this just means he won't be employed by the company directly and work as a project-based talent instead like Lyn and Lotus Juice. This might mean he won't be the lead composer in the upcoming games though but I think his contribution will still be substantial. He is the best composer in gaming today at least in my books. His sound is very distinct and catchy but can span different genres.
I've dabbed on a little N64 emulation using Retropie on a RPi 3B and though its not really comparable to the Switch in specs, I remember reading somewhere that emulating the untouched ROMs would really present a challenge to modern day hardware specifically SoCs. I think it has something to do with the differences in terms of the devices design architecture.
Been playing a bit of Fortnite as of late (reasons unknown lol). I hope they add a horror survival mode similar to DBD or the RE3 multiplayer game. I just can't see the point of these skins if they are not acclimated to the gameplay in some sort of gimmick.
Never been interested in the graphics master race and I usually pickup consoles when they're cheap later into their cycle. That said, I do think the Switch is doing alright and I can definitely do without a Pro version for the next 2-3 yrs. I do have a PS4 as well so I can get more demanding games there if I want to. Others who don't have a 2nd option would benefit from a Switch hardware upgrade so I understand that there is a demand for it.
@lovesushi English version I think comes Feb next year? I have tried the demo using a Japanese eShop account. Used GTranslate on my phone to get through some tutorials and basic battle systems. The game looks real promising with free movement turn based battles ala Mario Rabbids mixed with traditional JRPG. I believe its gonna have an English dub as well which means localization could take a bit more time to happen.
Doesn't matter, the game will be great as it is. Usually Atlus DLCs don't add much to the experience anyway. Demi fiend and Nocturne fiends look great in current gen though!
I would double dip and replay Persona 5 on the Switch. I don't mind getting the vanilla too if its easier to port that one. There isn't a game like Persona on the market and the pacing of the daily life sim would be so much better on handheld play. The execution, writing and story is so brilliant that I think it's set the bar so high for me that I find it hard to enjoy other games because of it. A Megaman Legends revival is also something I am very interested in.
@Kilamanjaro another thing to note is that both PS Plus and Xbox Gold has other perks from f2p titles such as free skins, in game currency and other stuff as well. You get to keep it too even when your sub runs out. Nintendo is kinda crazy charging the same price as those services IMO.
Hard pass for me. I don't play the NES/SNES bundled with the service. Just need the online function for non-f2p games. Had a feeling it would be overpriced but this is too much.
Never saw much value from PS Plus anyways as I'm usually not interested in their free games. Now the XB360 gold free games are a different story since they let u keep them even if you unsubscribe. They moved to the Sony model on the next gen unfortunately.
@SSGodLink It runs and looks pretty well based on the DF videos. They said the final build will even be better since it was an older version they got to test early. Definitely getting this one since I haven't played any of it. This looks to satisfy my Halo craving in a portable setup. Don't care much about getting physical so I'll take the savings and get the digital package instead.
Would love to get an OLED but only when the price drops. Still good with my V2 Switch + Lite. There's an abundance of supply of OLED where I'm from because its a little overpriced from our local distributors. Xbox Series S is cheaper to get right now while the OLED costs more than $400 our currency equivalent.
@Matthew010 None for me as well. I think he was referring to the 30fps capped frame rate. Love the game so much I am at 96% on the compendium. I don't have an OLED but I am gonna play it again this weekend and attempt to 100% it!
Oh yes! How do I stop buying games when so many good stuff are coming out?? Been eyeing this on Steam for a long time now and was really excited when it got announced for the Switch. I will get this immediately after I finish with Eastward.
If anyone is familiar with the GuliKit brand, they've released a set of Joycon analog replacements that claims to have reinforced components. I'm lucky to have not experienced drift yet on my V2 Joycons but that is probably due to using a Hori SPP when playing games that strain the analogs. I have not tried the GuliKit Elves product yet but I will give it a shot my Switch lite sticks eventually give out.
@Wexter Yeah greatly exaggerating on FFXVI. I've lost interest in the new FF games for some reason with XII being the last game I actually played despite having XIII on Steam and playing the XV demo there. Also I admit that I'm slightly interested in the FFVI remaster but I will probably wait for some footage.
I don't even know why I'm commenting on this KH debacle as I'm not even that interested in the series. KH3 was one of the first games I bought on my brand new PS4 back then but only played the first couple levels with my kid before losing interest!
I guess what I'm trying to say is that SE, with so much money and resources, have been quite incompetent lately when compared to much smaller AAA game companies such as Koei Tecmo and NIS which in my opinion have actually been putting in the effort or at least trying their best to make good games and develop their properties.
@westman98 To think that a year ago people were criticizing Mario 3D All Stars as lazy and overpriced. I call it BS that a Switch port of the PS2 remasters would cost "millions of dollars".
@sikthvash a big factor for me in getting games on the Switch aside from portability are the miniscule game file sizes. I don't like the fact that games with mediocre graphics and minimal content taking up 30-40gb of valuable storage space. I can barely get 10 games in my PS4 installed at a time on the internal drive. I've given up on games that take up more than 80gb of space. Imagine you need to delete almost all your games just to play COD Warzone on stock storage.
Based on the piece Digital Foundry did on the preview build for the Switch version, it ran and looked pretty well. I can imagine it would only get better on the final release. Getting this one for sure, 3 in particular. Gonna be my first Crysis game.
Honest question, do these internet ppl continously begging for ports in general actually want to play these games to completion? Do they really have that much time to play all these games? I mean there are so many good titles in every gaming platform.
@KiraMoonvalley There isn't any sbmm that I know of in Splatoon and I doubt the Nintendo service is capable of such algorithm. There are tryhards for sure especially here in the Asian region since it is very popular in Japan. I don't encounter any toxic players though and its not the kind of online game that is frustrating like CSGO/Overwatch. Hard to explain but it is a fun online shooter experience like no other. The only thing I don't like are the frequent disconnects which is due to the p2p nature of NSO.
Not a hack-and-slash guy but I am happy Bayonetta fans finally got the reveal they are waiting for. All directs this year have been good including this. I still have a lot of games to play/buy but now I will be adding Disco Elysium, Dying Light at Kirby 3D to that. I wish the time slot for Splatoon was shown more in actual 3PP gameplay but nothing to complain about. Oh and KOTR was also a welcome surprise. Gonna get to play it finally as I've been hesitant to get it on mobile hoping it will come to the Switch eventually.
@TheFrenchiestFry Ever since I randomly bought P4G on Steam last year, Persona music has taken over my playlists. From the OSTs, Dancing to whatever concerts in YouTube I can find as well as a lot of awesome covers from Sapphire, Consuls, Tsuko G and others. Even Lotus Juice's own personal albums are amazing.
Now I get why the anniversary website was exclusive to the Japanese region initially. The Sept. announcement does not involve the international audience so they kept it there. Still, many were hoping to get some sort of game news but I understand Atlus needs to launch SMT V first before hyping up another game.
@jrt87 +1 on the Hori SPP. Worth every single penny and the sticks response are even better than the Dualshock when playing shooters IMO. The Nintendo Procon is crazy expensive and I never considered buying it. Might as well get some wireless PowerA instead as for that money you can buy 2 on a sale.
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Re: Marvel's Midnight Suns Pushed Back To The Second Half Of 2022
I'm glad they are taking their time on this. We need good Marvel games. I just hope that the Switch version does not get delayed and release at the same time as other platforms.
Re: Animal Crossing: New Horizons Update 2.0.0 Patch Notes - Final Major Update, Happy Home Paradise DLC And More
Anybody knows the size of the patch? Im out of the house atm with lots of time to kill.
Re: Soapbox: The Switch Online Expansion Pack Is Great Value – If You Love Animal Crossing
Im gonna go a little off the main topic but since many have been mentioning the family plan, just wanna share how I use it to save on game purchases. In some instances I only need to buy a game once if I want to play multiplayer for 2 switches simoultaneously with a single digital game license. This is only possible with NSO because you cannot play the same game copy simoultaneously in local multiplayer. Online will bypass this restriction and to me I get my money's worth in the family sub by not having to buy the same game twice.
Re: Soapbox: The Switch Online Expansion Pack Is Great Value – If You Love Animal Crossing
Throw in Octo Expansion then it will be solid. Sorry its not for me but I know some others will be very happy with the N64 games.
Re: Open-World RPG 'Honor Of Kings: World' Looks To Fuse 'Monster Hunter' With 'Zelda: Breath Of The Wild'
@Floki I think my point was a little misunderstood. It was based from an earlier comment regarding a cloud version of the game. Cause if it is indeed in the cloud it can never be a definitive handheld version as you say. The general verdict regarding cloud gaming on the Switch is mostly negative and I suspect that very little of those 90 million users are interested to spend money on this. Also, current players invested in the game have very little incentive to play it on the cloud on a portable platform when they can just grind on their phones natively while they are away from their home consoles/PC. Now a native port is a different story of course. As an example, Apex Legends took the porting route and are now reaping the benefits of it.
Re: Atlus Broadcasting Shin Megami Tensei V Live Stream Next Week
Already declared news blackout on anything SMT related. Just waiting for the release date. These past few weeks just feel so long lol
Re: Open-World RPG 'Honor Of Kings: World' Looks To Fuse 'Monster Hunter' With 'Zelda: Breath Of The Wild'
@anoyonmus Oh alright, didn't see any info yet regarding that one. Doesn't really make sense to have it on the cloud since its on mobile anyway. Business-wise it would be better to just shelve it for Switch. Servers cost money and the game is f2p. The market share on the Switch will be extremely low as a lot of other players are already invested in other platforms.
EDIT: If you meant the new game then it would make sense, I was referring to Genshin on my comment above btw.
Re: Ubisoft Wants To Be "One Of The Key Players" In Blockchain Gaming
I don't know much about the blockchain tech but this is because of Axie Infinity right? My bro-in-law told me about it recently since it was really popular and he knew I was into gaming. I had no idea what it was though lol!
Re: Open-World RPG 'Honor Of Kings: World' Looks To Fuse 'Monster Hunter' With 'Zelda: Breath Of The Wild'
At this point, I believe Genshin for the Switch has already been shelved. I doubt that this game will come to the system but who knows.
Re: Vicarious Visions Staff Left "Blindsided" By Reported Merger With Embattled Blizzard
@Noelemahc Im down for a MW Remastered port as well. Anything after BO2 is just bad tho. Didn't know VV were their Switch port specialists. Are they the ones who did the Overwatch port?
Re: Vicarious Visions Staff Left "Blindsided" By Reported Merger With Embattled Blizzard
Wow just another terrible and sneaky move by a crap company. I can imagine them feeling all good and festive with their costumes and all then suddenly being pissed and confused. Next thing you know they'll be forced to work on Call of Duty or something.
Re: Tomb Raider Will Finally Make Its Switch Debut With Two Lara Croft Titles In 2022
@SwitchVogel LOL I have to admit that I did enjoy that game on my phone though!
Re: Tomb Raider Will Finally Make Its Switch Debut With Two Lara Croft Titles In 2022
Played a bit of the 1st game on the 360 as I got it for free on GWG. Didn't get very far so I might give it a second look this weekend to see if its something I will enjoy.
Re: Video: Atlus Releases New Shin Megami Tensei V 'World In Ruins' Trailer
Been delaying my pre-order but I might have to do it tomorrow as the release date nears. Right on time as I finish my Nocturne playthrough this weekend!
Re: Persona And Shin Megami Tensei Composer Has Left Atlus To Develop Indie Games
From what I understand, Meguro-san will continue to work on Atlus games (likely on the upcoming Persona game and I think he is doing Re Fantasy as well). Hopefully this just means he won't be employed by the company directly and work as a project-based talent instead like Lyn and Lotus Juice. This might mean he won't be the lead composer in the upcoming games though but I think his contribution will still be substantial. He is the best composer in gaming today at least in my books. His sound is very distinct and catchy but can span different genres.
Re: Nintendo Switch Online's N64 Games Need Some Work
I've dabbed on a little N64 emulation using Retropie on a RPi 3B and though its not really comparable to the Switch in specs, I remember reading somewhere that emulating the untouched ROMs would really present a challenge to modern day hardware specifically SoCs. I think it has something to do with the differences in terms of the devices design architecture.
Re: Rumour: Warner Working On A Smash Bros. Imitator With Batman, Gandalf And, Er, Shaggy
@Krysus In the Lego Dimensions base campaign, they seem to get along pretty well
Re: Rumour: Warner Working On A Smash Bros. Imitator With Batman, Gandalf And, Er, Shaggy
Rooting for this because I want the Shaggy meme come to life!
Re: Resident Evil's Chris Redfield And Jill Valentine Drop Into Fortnite
Been playing a bit of Fortnite as of late (reasons unknown lol). I hope they add a horror survival mode similar to DBD or the RE3 multiplayer game. I just can't see the point of these skins if they are not acclimated to the gameplay in some sort of gimmick.
Re: "I Don't Think The Switch Needs A More Powerful Version" Says 'World War Z' Lead Designer
Never been interested in the graphics master race and I usually pickup consoles when they're cheap later into their cycle. That said, I do think the Switch is doing alright and I can definitely do without a Pro version for the next 2-3 yrs. I do have a PS4 as well so I can get more demanding games there if I want to. Others who don't have a 2nd option would benefit from a Switch hardware upgrade so I understand that there is a demand for it.
Re: Japanese Charts: Metroid Dread Slips Down To Second, Switch OLED Leads Hardware Listings
@lovesushi English version I think comes Feb next year? I have tried the demo using a Japanese eShop account. Used GTranslate on my phone to get through some tutorials and basic battle systems. The game looks real promising with free movement turn based battles ala Mario Rabbids mixed with traditional JRPG. I believe its gonna have an English dub as well which means localization could take a bit more time to happen.
Re: Shin Megami Tensei V Gets Day One Paid DLC And Digital Deluxe Edition
Doesn't matter, the game will be great as it is. Usually Atlus DLCs don't add much to the experience anyway. Demi fiend and Nocturne fiends look great in current gen though!
Re: Metroid Dread, Zelda, Pokémon And Mario All Nominated In Golden Joystick Awards 2021
No Eastward for best indie? Or did it not make the cutoff?
Re: Feature: 8 Games That Missed Nintendo Hardware
I would double dip and replay Persona 5 on the Switch. I don't mind getting the vanilla too if its easier to port that one. There isn't a game like Persona on the market and the pacing of the daily life sim would be so much better on handheld play. The execution, writing and story is so brilliant that I think it's set the bar so high for me that I find it hard to enjoy other games because of it. A Megaman Legends revival is also something I am very interested in.
Re: Random: Uh-Oh, Nintendo's Switch Online 'Expansion Pack - Overview Trailer' Is Generating A Lot Of Dislikes
@Kilamanjaro another thing to note is that both PS Plus and Xbox Gold has other perks from f2p titles such as free skins, in game currency and other stuff as well. You get to keep it too even when your sub runs out. Nintendo is kinda crazy charging the same price as those services IMO.
Re: Random: Uh-Oh, Nintendo's Switch Online 'Expansion Pack - Overview Trailer' Is Generating A Lot Of Dislikes
Hard pass for me. I don't play the NES/SNES bundled with the service. Just need the online function for non-f2p games. Had a feeling it would be overpriced but this is too much.
Never saw much value from PS Plus anyways as I'm usually not interested in their free games. Now the XB360 gold free games are a different story since they let u keep them even if you unsubscribe. They moved to the Sony model on the next gen unfortunately.
Re: Limited Run Reveals Its Physical Version Of Crysis 2 Remastered For Switch
@SSGodLink It runs and looks pretty well based on the DF videos. They said the final build will even be better since it was an older version they got to test early. Definitely getting this one since I haven't played any of it. This looks to satisfy my Halo craving in a portable setup. Don't care much about getting physical so I'll take the savings and get the digital package instead.
Re: Nintendo Recommends Some Games To Check Out On The Switch OLED Model
Would love to get an OLED but only when the price drops. Still good with my V2 Switch + Lite. There's an abundance of supply of OLED where I'm from because its a little overpriced from our local distributors. Xbox Series S is cheaper to get right now while the OLED costs more than $400 our currency equivalent.
Re: Nintendo Recommends Some Games To Check Out On The Switch OLED Model
@Matthew010 None for me as well. I think he was referring to the 30fps capped frame rate. Love the game so much I am at 96% on the compendium. I don't have an OLED but I am gonna play it again this weekend and attempt to 100% it!
Re: Don't Worry, The '3D All-Stars' Version Of Super Mario 64 Will Still Likely Be The Definitive Edition
Great piece of history but the game is quite dated. Sunshine and Galaxy is the real meat of 3D All Stars in my opinion.
Re: Review: Disco Elysium: The Final Cut - Still An Absolute Triumph On Switch
Oh yes! How do I stop buying games when so many good stuff are coming out?? Been eyeing this on Steam for a long time now and was really excited when it got announced for the Switch. I will get this immediately after I finish with Eastward.
Re: Nintendo Says It's Continuously Working On Improving The Switch Joy-Con
If anyone is familiar with the GuliKit brand, they've released a set of Joycon analog replacements that claims to have reinforced components. I'm lucky to have not experienced drift yet on my V2 Joycons but that is probably due to using a Hori SPP when playing games that strain the analogs. I have not tried the GuliKit Elves product yet but I will give it a shot my Switch lite sticks eventually give out.
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting The "Cloud Versions" Of Kingdom Hearts On Switch?
@Wexter Yeah greatly exaggerating on FFXVI. I've lost interest in the new FF games for some reason with XII being the last game I actually played despite having XIII on Steam and playing the XV demo there. Also I admit that I'm slightly interested in the FFVI remaster but I will probably wait for some footage.
I don't even know why I'm commenting on this KH debacle as I'm not even that interested in the series. KH3 was one of the first games I bought on my brand new PS4 back then but only played the first couple levels with my kid before losing interest!
I guess what I'm trying to say is that SE, with so much money and resources, have been quite incompetent lately when compared to much smaller AAA game companies such as Koei Tecmo and NIS which in my opinion have actually been putting in the effort or at least trying their best to make good games and develop their properties.
Re: Video: Why Didn't Square Enix Port The Kingdom Hearts Collection To Switch?
@westman98 To think that a year ago people were criticizing Mario 3D All Stars as lazy and overpriced. I call it BS that a Switch port of the PS2 remasters would cost "millions of dollars".
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting The "Cloud Versions" Of Kingdom Hearts On Switch?
Square Enix games as of late:
Sorry but I am staying away from their products until further notice!
Re: Three Kingdom Hearts Games Are Coming To Switch, But They're All Cloud Versions
Oh wow ps2 games on the cloud?!? What the hell were they thinking! Hope this flops worse than Balan Wonderworld!
Re: Metroid Dread's File Size Is Smaller Than First Thought
Ori WotW is about the same size IIRC. Good comparison for a 2.5D flashy Metroidvania.
Re: Metroid Dread's File Size Is Smaller Than First Thought
@sikthvash a big factor for me in getting games on the Switch aside from portability are the miniscule game file sizes. I don't like the fact that games with mediocre graphics and minimal content taking up 30-40gb of valuable storage space. I can barely get 10 games in my PS4 installed at a time on the internal drive. I've given up on games that take up more than 80gb of space. Imagine you need to delete almost all your games just to play COD Warzone on stock storage.
Re: Crysis Remastered Trilogy Gets A Nintendo Switch Launch Trailer
Based on the piece Digital Foundry did on the preview build for the Switch version, it ran and looked pretty well. I can imagine it would only get better on the final release. Getting this one for sure, 3 in particular. Gonna be my first Crysis game.
Re: Bandai Namco Is Changing Its Logo In 2022
@Specter_of-the_OLED you beat me to it
Re: Bandai Namco Is Changing Its Logo In 2022
They should do something to integrate the logo design from their toy product line. That logo is iconic.
Re: Splatoon 2 Version 5.5.0 Is Now Live, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
The average player will not notice these balance changes one bit. These nerfs/buffs are very minor.
Re: Every Nintendo Switch Online N64 Game Ranked
Might sub for a month just for Paper Mario. Hope they add a Gamecube option someday with TTYD since I didn't get a chance to play these masterpieces.
Re: Hideki Kamiya Reminds Fans Bayonetta 3 Is A Nintendo Switch Exclusive
Honest question, do these internet ppl continously begging for ports in general actually want to play these games to completion? Do they really have that much time to play all these games? I mean there are so many good titles in every gaming platform.
Re: Splatoon 2 Is Getting Another Game Update Next Week
@KiraMoonvalley There isn't any sbmm that I know of in Splatoon and I doubt the Nintendo service is capable of such algorithm. There are tryhards for sure especially here in the Asian region since it is very popular in Japan. I don't encounter any toxic players though and its not the kind of online game that is frustrating like CSGO/Overwatch. Hard to explain but it is a fun online shooter experience like no other. The only thing I don't like are the frequent disconnects which is due to the p2p nature of NSO.
Re: Poll: What Did You Think Of Yesterday's Nintendo Direct?
Not a hack-and-slash guy but I am happy Bayonetta fans finally got the reveal they are waiting for. All directs this year have been good including this. I still have a lot of games to play/buy but now I will be adding Disco Elysium, Dying Light at Kirby 3D to that. I wish the time slot for Splatoon was shown more in actual 3PP gameplay but nothing to complain about. Oh and KOTR was also a welcome surprise. Gonna get to play it finally as I've been hesitant to get it on mobile hoping it will come to the Switch eventually.
Re: Atlus Reveals New Details About Persona's 25th Anniversary Celebrations
@TheFrenchiestFry Ever since I randomly bought P4G on Steam last year, Persona music has taken over my playlists. From the OSTs, Dancing to whatever concerts in YouTube I can find as well as a lot of awesome covers from Sapphire, Consuls, Tsuko G and others. Even Lotus Juice's own personal albums are amazing.
Re: Atlus Reveals New Details About Persona's 25th Anniversary Celebrations
Now I get why the anniversary website was exclusive to the Japanese region initially. The Sept. announcement does not involve the international audience so they kept it there. Still, many were hoping to get some sort of game news but I understand Atlus needs to launch SMT V first before hyping up another game.
Re: Random: Apple's iPhone 13 Pro Max Has A Larger Battery Capacity Than The Nintendo Switch
For that money, I can get a decent phone every 3-4 yrs for the next 2 decades lol! No thanks, I think Im gonna stick to consoles for gaming!
Re: Rumour: It Looks Like Nintendo Will Soon Unveil A New Controller For Switch
@jrt87 +1 on the Hori SPP. Worth every single penny and the sticks response are even better than the Dualshock when playing shooters IMO. The Nintendo Procon is crazy expensive and I never considered buying it. Might as well get some wireless PowerA instead as for that money you can buy 2 on a sale.