[Update: Thu 18th Nov, 2021 09:30 BST]
It seems like the Warner Bros. spin on platform fighting could be getting closer to a reveal, with multiple IPs posting social media teases and tagging WB Games. If it wasn't for the extensive leaks it'd be relatively subtle, and seems to point to a gradual official reveal of the upcoming roster.
We'll keep an eye out for more official details.
[Update: Mon 25th Oct, 2021 11:45 BST]
The rumour of a Warner Bros. Smash Bros. is gathering more steam, as YouTuber and pro Super Smash Bros. Melee player hungrybox shared an alleged leaked image of the roster, as well as a title, "Warner Bros Multiversus":
There's an accompanying video, too, but it looks like it was taken down. Wonder who did that...?
However, the internet never forgets, and images are still being posted on social media accounts:
[Original: Mon 25th Oct, 2021 11:45 BST]
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate has had its final hurrah, and will now gracefully ride off into a sunset of acclaim, arguments about Sora and competitive tournaments. Nintendo's platform fighter (for that's the genre name) leads the way in that particular kingdom, but it has had to face down some challengers. Recently we had Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl which put a big emphasis on SpongeBob to lure in players; early indicators are that it's not been a smash (really? Ed.) hit as the publisher would have hoped.
Still, there's often talk of other IP-owning powerhouses hoping to find the magic formula and challenge Nintendo's franchise. The latest rumour suggests it's Warner Bros. actively working on a platform fighter, at least according to this Reddit post. This has been backed up by the now familiar industry chatter Jeff Grubb, though there's disagreement on who's developing the game. Not exactly concrete rumours then, but it certainly feels feasible.
Perhaps the most intriguing detail, considering the sorts of trailers and screenshots it'd produce, is the potential cast. Warner Bros. obviously has a daunting stable of IPs under its wing, but even so some of the potential showdowns would be rather funny.
- Shaggy (Scooby Doo)
- Gandalf (Lord of the Rings)
- Tom & Jerry
- Batman
- Fred Flintstone
- Mad Max
- Johnny Bravo
In a fight between Mad Max and Shaggy there's really only one winner, but Batman vs Gandalf would be a battle for the ages.
The original Reddit post suggests NetherRealm (Mortal Kombat XI) is the developer, but this was somewhat rubbished by Grubb. It can get ugly when insiders disagree.
As we've suggested a Warner Bros.-published multi-franchise fighter actually sounds feasible, especially as Nintendo's series will presumably now have a couple of quieter years.
Let us know what you think of this cheeky rumour, and speculate on who would win a fight between Fred Flintstone and Johnny Bravo.
[source reddit.com]
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Pretty cynical at face value and it's the same internet faces simply drooling at how much money their IPs could generate. We will see. Maybe they can add something to the genre (but doubt it.)
Update: I hate it! lol
Ultra Instinct Shaggy memes could become a realityā¦
If this is the case, I'm glade were starting to get actual good Platformer fighters, Give me shaggy and the Warner Brothers (And sister) and I'm good to go!
As much as I hate the tackiness of Warner's crossovers, obviously including the new Space Jam... I can definitely see this succeeding. WB's had a lot of practice with crossovers over the last decade and they could really muscle in to steal a bit of Smash's market share, even if they likely won't take the crown.
Sorry, saw the article and straight away thought it was the other Shaggy:
WASN'T ME!
If this is true I hope we get a 4Kids platform fighter someday with a roster from franchise such as Spider-Man, X-Men, Eek! the Cat, Sonic SatAM, Mega Man.EXE, Earthworm Jim, Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, The Tick, Power Rangers, Spider Riders, King Arthur and the Knights of Justice, DBZ, Escaflowne, Street Sharks, Biker Mice From Mars, Sailor Moon, Double Dragon, Digimon, Monster Rancher, Ghostbusters, Bobby's World, VR Troopers, Tom and Jerry Kids, Carmen San Diego, Inspector Gadget, Muppet Babies, Alvin and the Chipmunks, etc.
The main question on everybody's mind: is Goku in it?
What the actual f**k. Well this would be insane.
They feature no Video Game character.
If it's anything like what Warners just did with the new Space Jam, expect Pennywise, the flying monkeys from Wizard of Oz and the droogs from Clockwork Orange as well.
People talk so much about how Disney owns too much and is buying too much, but WarnerMedia is just as bad, in fact, the media industry in USA is mostly owned by 5 companies: Disney, WarnerMedia, ViacomCBS, NBCUniversal and Sony, before Fox was bought by Disney, it was 6 companies.
Things WarnerMedia owns:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_WarnerMedia
A Smash Bros. clone with Warner Bros. properties could have a lot of characters, and also money, the Nickelodeon game was fine, but had a small budget.
@Specter_of-the_OLED 4Kids Entertainment is dead.
Thankfully they are gone, but I kinda miss them, no one was called a crybaby for complaining about their censored and butchered dubs.
@somnambulance As I understand it is in fact now real. The latest animated MK movie does have UI Shaggy cameo during the WB logo section. I'm not sure if it's legit or a mock-up as I've yet to watch it myself.
Everyone who reads that headline is 100% thinking about Shaggy of Mr. Bombastic fame. And you would have gotten away with as well, if it wasn't for those meddling kids.
This just really makes me miss Lego Dimensions. Wonder if we can get a revival without the toys to life aspect. Probably not but a man can dream.
You shall not Fighters Pass!
Don't forget WB's main mascot, Bugs "This Means War" Bunny!
Just once I'd love to see a big IP, non-Smash platform fighter reach their full potential. Too many get hampered by limited funding, short dev times, or middling devs.
That said, I'm kinda getting sick of crossovers that have little substance or thematic consistency/restraint beyond the IP holder flexing their catalogue. Like, at least Nick All-Star Brawl keeps it to Nicktoon characters, rather than it being a Viacom/Paramount showcase.
@kupocake I'm not gonna lie, that Shaggy came to my mind first. Would be quite the visual to see him fighting Batman š
I'm glad they narrowed down which Shaggy it was in the list, but did they need to narrow down which Gandalf?
I already know what will win the Smash v WB fight.
as a wise man dressed as a bat once said: yabba dabba scooby doo, where are you shall not pass.
This could be good fun if done properly, but I really want to see Disney attempt a platform fighter. Given that they have Lucasfilm, Marvel, Pixar, Fox, and their originals to pull from, we could see matchups like Homer Simpson vs. Darth Vader or Buzz Lightyear vs. Dr. Doom.
Youāre telling me youāve never wanted to see Sora and Indiana Jones fight Lightning McQueen and Oswald the Rabbit?
Love the way people call Anyone else but Nintendo doing this is cynical - š¤£ have day off.
This would be amazing! Iād rather Warner do only a looney toons fighter as there are just so many awesome characters in that and I love the art style but having Batman and the like wouldnāt be bad either.
@abdias They don't have to. It's not a fighting game rule, that was a Smash Bros rule. I mean, Street Fighter X Tekken had a character who doesn't even exist - Mega Man from the infamous US box art for the original game.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighterxtekken/images/d/d4/SFxT-Mega_Mam.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120203042449
The main reason why these Smash Bros. clones didn't work that well, is not the lack of charismatic characters, is not the lack of money, is not the lack of Nintendo and Sakurai, is not being made by westerners, is not having sequels that expand on the original.
Smash 64 was a very empty game that was expanded with sequels that recycle a lot of content from previous games, these clones failed to have sequels that did that.
I read the title and the first thing that came to my mind was: "That's what I'm Tolkien 'bout!"
Iād say they should add an African-American Legolas but then heād be the Tolkien black guy.
WANT! I WANT IT!
It'll be like LEGO Dimensions, but a fighter.
Warner bros has too many IP to waggle with, it would be a mess. (See Space Jam 2.) If it's kept simple to start off like a Looney Tunes Smash Bros. (That would be amazing now that I think about it.) Then we could expand to other properties.
If bugs bunny is on here, I would probably change my mind.
I'd like to see more Smash Bros clones out there, but all the high-profile efforts (Nickelodeon All-Stars, PlayStation All-Stars, etc) have been mediocre at best.
A Netherrealm-developed Smash Bros clone could actually work since Netherrealm is one of the best and most experienced fighting game developers in the world, but without them at the helm, I'm not so sure the quality will be there.
If it was Shaggy the singer, it would have been an instant buy for me.
Holy crap, looking it up Warner Brothers owns a staggering amount of IPs across film, animation and video games. I can see why they would come to this conclusion. I guess we'll see if the game actually ends up being good or not.
Shaggy can finally show his 20%
Rooting for this because I want the Shaggy meme come to life!
At first glance this looks like the stuff of nightmares.
But it would solve a ton of playground arguments.
Batman destroys Gandalf with his 'Because he's Batman!' skill.
I never understood why there was never a SuperNatural video game. Maybe this will remedy that!
But will the Banana Splits be based on the 60s show or the movie from a year back?
Doubt it'll happen but I'd love to see Popeye and Godzilla as guest characters.
Mildly surprised that out of Cartoon Network's entire catalogue of megahits, you went with Johnny Bravo.
I'm not even digging on Johnny Bravo, enjoyed it plenty as a kid alongside the likes of Dexter's Lab, Powerpuff Girls and Space Ghost. But, like.....it's just Johnny Bravo. The one that ended on a Bollywood movie because people were forgetting about it. Come on now.
Anyways, ironically a WB Smash clone can probably work a lot better HEAVILY leaning into the cartoon-physics aspect of your classic cartoons like Tom & Jerry than the recent Nick title, who couldn't go full-on goofy when they had to represent Avatar characters as well. That said, as soon as you throw in anything D.C. Comics taking itself at all remotely more serious than Adam West the whole idea goes out the window, so eh.
The non smash platform fighters always seem so dull because they either have original characters no body cares about, or feature crossover characters with no voice acting.
@Krysus In the Lego Dimensions base campaign, they seem to get along pretty well
Everyone wants to jump on the Smash train since they saw how many views and the hype that came with Smash Ultimate. Im ok with this, I just think it would be so strange to see Batman, Gandolf and Bugs Bunny in the same game.
Honestly the crossover potential here is far more intriguing to me than smash bros tbh.
It depends would it be good smash clone because the pervious smash clones haven't been successful looking at nickelodeon all stars its not very good one because lack of content and no voices and items in stages
Unless this crossover game has good content and good story then it should be successful
If I can see Zorak from Space Ghost Coast to Coast or Slappy from Animaniacs beating the s*** out of Rick Sanchez, I'm game.
@victordamazio sadly, a lot of the stupid censorship nonsense that they started is still around.
@Toy_Link In many countries, Popeye is already a public domain character that anyone can use for free, he is becoming public in USA in 2024, the same year as Mickey Mouse.
So, does this mean that if I can play as OlĆ³rin (aka Gandalf), I can win automatically because I am basically a god?
@Shadowmoon522 Censorship just changed the political affiliation.
@Specter_of-the_OLED āwhich digimon?ā
ALL OF THEM
a muppet babies fighter would be hilarious if they got a deep muppet nerd to actually write it
@Helloworld117 what are you talking about forced diversity checklist? Havenāt heard of this.
@victordamazio you sweet summer child, theyāll find a way to keep Mickey
I feel like Warner is way too broad of a base to work from. They should focus it in a little and try another take at a Cartoon Network brawler. I know there was one around 2008 or 2009, but that one left a lot to be desired. And when I say Cartoon Network, I mean go all in, not just Cartoon Network originals, but Adult Swim stuff too and the classic stuff like Scooby-Doo an all that other stuff they still air on Boomerang.
Smash bros is one of my favorite all time series and I've always wondered why the space was so empty of AAA games like it.
I mean there's 10,000 games that play like mortal kombat
Make a marvel brawler and I'll give them all my money
@victordamazio Their video game assets run deeper the just Mortal Kombat.
They pretty much own most of Midway's IP as well as Atari Games' IPs(Since Midway bought them out back in the late 90s.
That is a large chunk of gaming history that they own, dating all the way back to the early 80s to 2009 when Midway went bankrupt.
It's not complete, but here's a list of game franchises Time Warner owns.
Mortal Kombat
Rampage
Root Beer Tapper
Gauntlet
Marble Madness
Primal Rage
Spy Hunter
Defender
Joust
Klax
Smash TV
NARC
Paperboy
The list honestly goes on. They own almost as many video game assets as Nintendo does.
No please no, dont let this rumor be true.
Can't wait to have Shaggy get wrecked by Arya Stark lol
Put Cy-Kill and Space Ghost in it
It occurs to me, though this is a broad issue all hypothetical characters would have no matter where they originated from, a Smash clone roster like this that does contribute cartoon character would NEED voices if anyone else has them. And notably, cartoon characters ARE their voices, soundalikes usually don't quite fit the bill.
Take for example they throw in Steven Universe characters into this mix. That has a notable voicing cast. Well, they can probably manage DeeDee for Pearl I'm guessing, but the rest of the major cast? Estelle is probably going to be pretty hard to rope in outside an official Sugar-produced outing. Plus its main lead Steven, voiced by Zach Callison, has outgrown the voice as I recall.
And that's just a single show example that springs to mind, you're going to have that amongst the majority of the cast. Like....ok, another random example, sticking to Cartoon Network, Powerpuff Girls. Well, they had a reboot some years ago. The company explicitly excluded the original voices in favor of bringing in some new talent. But it pretty much bombed as I recall. Do you try to get the old cast back who've been burned by the company? Stick to the new ones that didn't take off?
Not to mention, simple sad fact on how old a number of these series are, a number of their voice talents are dead.
@Helloworld117 oh that kind of stuff doesnāt really bother me too much
Can't you just call it platform fighter like the person who tweeted this?
Wouldn't even be fair, Shaggy would just win every match!
@victordamazio your telling me rick could be part of the WB game
A wizard is never late to a match. Nor is he early! He arrives precisely when he means to!
@MH4 Disney already has Square at their beck and call but shut them down when they wanted to make a Kingdom Hearts fighting game (which is how we got Dissidia)
As a horror fan, I'll be over here hoping to see Freddy, Jason, Pennywise, and David from The Lost Boys duke it out.
I'm hoping for Urkel in a fighting game (mainly because of that Mortal Kombat parody in one episode). He was on Scooby Doo and Guess Who?, though the rest of the Family Matters cast was oddly absent.
@MH4 Indiana Jones vs a car sounds like a pretty one way contest
If this game is real, but doesn't have Austin Powers, there really is no point to it
also maxwell from scribblenauts would be pretty cool i think
@kupocake @Bunkerneath
Mad Max Batman (feat. Shaggy)
In our defense, the reality isn't really any less absurd.
@TryToBeHopeful At first I just assumed it was the Gandalf the Yellow from Rogue One or Gandalf the Green from The Walking Dead. I didn't really expect it's the Gandalf from Lord of the Rings. Looking forward to Shaggy though. Might be the first Rasta fighter in FG history. Brings a whole new meaning to Flintstones: Dreads.
I really hope that making a platform fighter with a company's ip is a trend that continues cause I'm loving it!
Warners have good experience with fighters. Injustice and Mortal Kombat are both very good, and the chance to have Harry Potter and Gandalf t**t each other is going to shift a lot of copies alone.
Hope thatās not the whole roster. Seems paltry, honestly.
Even if it sucks I NEED to see this happen. I want to see Gandalf smacking Johnny Bravo with his staff while Fred uppercuts Bugs Bunny
I hate that I would buy this day one.
If this means that Godzilla may fight Shaggy, I'm in.
Also wouldn't it be hilarious if this game had a story mode like injustice and a bunch of beloved cartoon characters died brutally?
Any fighting game that feature Bugs Bunny, Tom and Jerry, Batman, Shaggy, and Gandalf the Gray is a win in my book. Now they just need to add the Warner siblings from Animaniacs, Scorpion and Sub-Zero from Mortal Kombat, Buster Bunny and Plucky Duck from Tiny Toon Adventures, and Johnny Bravo and it's golden.
Can you imagine Mario being invited for this game.
Or Waluigi
State of play maybe? Its looks great! Thats enough proof for me.
Stephen Universe? Who's that?
All jokes aside, I'm not surprised to see Rick & Morty there.
Once youāve played smash, most other fighters just arenāt quite as good.
I feel this way with many of Nintendoās series for some reasonā¦
@Specter_of-the_OLED Does Warner Bros own the rights to the Mortal Kombat games? Because I know they own the movie rights but I think everyone wants scorpion and sub zero from the games
If I wanted this i would just watch space jam 2
So I can have Gandalf vs Tom & Jerry
Who wouldn't want to play that
@CheekyZelda Well Warner Bros. game division did bought the Mortal Kombat IP from Midway before they went under. Then when Mortal Kombat was reboot under WB's ownership Ed Boon and team founded Netherealm Studio which they made five games: MK9-11, and the two Injustice games. Sub-Zero and Scorpion 100% could be in this crossover game, the only thing is their violence nature may had to be tone down a bit so to get that lovely E rating for the kids.
I have often wondered whether Fred Flintstone could take Gandalf down in a fair fight. Soon we shall know!
@Toy_Link @HotGoomba Not saying it could never happen, but Warner Bros doesn't own Godzilla. Toho does. Warner Bros and Legendary got rights to make movies with their own version of him, but he's still Toho's property.
@JasmineDragon
That's why I specified Godzilla as a guest character.
@JasmineDragon Didn't know that, but maybe Toho would make a deal with Warner Bros.
Sounds great, but Superman is too strong. Either they seriously nerf him to where he's not Superman anymore, or he's impossible to beat.
Since this is supposedly F2P, I'll give it a try.
Lest everyone forget this is AT&T owned WB so they will figure out a way to screw it up. I mean they have been the force behind such successes as DirectTV Now, HBO [something that may or may not do what you want it to], the DC Movie Universe, and just the dumpster fire that is AT&T in general (where their solution to problems is to just raise the price without explanation).
Nostalgia + 2-d platform fighter = easy money. I donāt even like smash bros so Iām personally uninterested.
@Davzilla Cause it extremely hard to make a game like smash, and for it to actually sell well... Look at Playstation All Stars.
EDIT: Shuhei Yoshida confirmed that over a million copies of the game had been sold by June 12, 2013, though he conceded that, at the time, this was not enough to justify a sequel or developing further DLC for the game
These companies want Smash like number, not a few million or few thousand sold.
@MH4 Would never happen. Disney more or less keep their IPs in a wall garden. Just read any interview about the amount of work the developer's of Disney Infinity had to do. There was a significant number of mind-boggling obstacles with licensing that the developer had to overcome that caused all sorts of restrictions. Brands couldn't exactly overlap with ease.
Where's Neo from The Matrix? He can stop bullets and easily beat all other characters.
Considering that Warner Bros. made the JoJo anime and live action movie, they should add JoJo here. It would be an instant boost in sales.
Enter the "Smashlike" genre. I'm coining the term
If there isn't a LotR DLC called "You Shall Not Fighter Pass" I will be disappointed.
@Dethmunk WB Games have released enough credible and critically acclaimed games to be considered a decent publisher - comfortably top 10 and some years, depending on release slate, a top 5.
They have Rocksteady, TT Games and Netherrealm - the experience from those three studios combined would give you all the ingredients of a decent Smash clone.
The problem is, of course, those three studios would never work together on a project. TT have another LEGO game to make, Netherrealm are likely on Injustice 3, and Rocksteady will have a new Batman game deep in development.
Does beg the question who would be working on it... Do they still have a studio in Montreal? I guess it will be them - they're OK, but the key will be how much they can lean on the other studios for knowledge and resource.
Warner Bros Multiverse. With Gandalf and Batman ETC.
Sounds like Lego Dimensions.
@abdias technically they're all V-Game characters because they're characters in a V-game... Also one of them appears to be brand new, exclusive to this game.
@Bret True but thisis a Nintendo news site. If the game isn't confirmed to be coming to switch, "it's a smash-bro's-like" is hardly justification to report on rumors.
I like to play both sides of every issue. š
@GannonBanned already have, they can refresh characarter copyright every time they use the character in media.
However content with mickey in it (Plane Crazy) will go into the public domain Jan 2024. Which just means content creators can just just show part or all of that short in their own media, Royalty free. (Disney isn't missing out on much)
Even when steamboat willy hit's public domain... If the mouse continues to postpone copyright just to, I dunno... prevent the production of bootleg merchindise? That would just be a petty move at this point
In fact, considering how obscure their earlier media was/has-become (with maybe the exception of fantasia) they could probably hold off until 1945, and lose very litttle, at this point. (Might even restore popularity a bit and might even save tgem money.
Neo. Must have Neo.
I'd only see this as a free to play mobile game. I really doubt it would coming to consoles, but only time will tell.
I'll buy it. I'll also main Superman. Everybody wrecked.
Even as a DC fan, I can't get behind this...its just too weird. Smash is great because its only video game characters but now this game is throwing in comics, movies, and tv shows...just weird.
I like the character lineup. I just hope it's mechanically sound and well polished. This'll either be absolutely amazing or a complete disaster. There is no in-between.
the idea is already more appealing to me with me growing up with these franchises. i dont think the cast is too weird and wild when "warner bros characters" is just as broad as "video game characters"
itd be fun to have more crossover platform fighters that try harder. nick is trying to break out of that mold, im curious to see how hard warner would try
@victordamazio I think the IP holders if still filing trademarks will still have the rights.
For example Alice in Wonderland is public domain but if you made an animation or drawing that looks like Disney's Alice, blue dress etc then they have the right to take action.
Definitely need to have Pinky and the Brain and Elmira š¤£
As long as there is no Al G. Rhythm from the disappointing new Space Jam, im in!!
Its finally happening, lets go!
Give me Gumball or Regular show over Adventure time and Steven universe any day.
I know and love a lot of these characters but...I just can't get excited for them in a Smash scenario. I don't know maybe it's because Smash is all video game characters that Kirby vs Kazuya seems cool. But Bugs vs Gandalf... or Steven vs Batman? It's actually almost off-putting somehow.
But hey, who am I to yuck someone else's yum as they say. I hope those excited for it will enjoy it!
Here's hoping it's actually good... It could be promising as just a really crazy crossover at least.
I will say, "Multiversus" is a solid portmanteau. Much more unique than another game with "All-Stars" in its title.
But it's still hard to get excited, as this is just them flexing their IP ownership again. They already spent their shot with both Ready Player One and Space Jam 2; the latter being way more frustrating for making an iconically simple concept unnecessarily complicated and ultimately forgettable...
We need JoJo in Multiversus.
Warner Bros. made the anime and the live action movie, so they should add JoJo here.
JoJo should be the Fire Emblem of Warner Bros. Multiversus, especially if the Torture Dance can be included as a taunt and a song.
I really hope this is a thing and does well. This roster could be quite expansive, but like smash I would sort of like the roster to be a bit more focused. Iād love an all Looney toons brawler myself, just because there are so many memorable characters Iād like to see and smash I wouldāve liked an all Nintendo cast better than having so many guest characters.
We better have sylvester...thufferin thuccotash
@OneBradley13 Don't worry, he got Posterized.
@YoshiAngemon phew! Thatās a good thing!
Wow it looks like this is actually happening. I hope it turns out well, in theory it could be funā¦
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