Random: Uh-Oh, Nintendo's Switch Online 'Expansion Pack - Overview Trailer' Is Generating A Lot Of Dislikes

It’s not like I think Nintendo is evil or anything, playing these games on original hardware will certainly be more expensive, I just don’t want to play them so much I’d be willing to put down that kind of dough, Nintendo has a history of grossly overvaluing old games.

Hoping that at least the money from the suckers who will pay extra $30 for only this, will not only make NES and SNES games come faster to the standard service and make more games missing for years to come back, but also help to make licensed games, games based on other media properties like Batman, Star Wars and TMNT, to come back unedited to these online services.

Nintendo is pricing the Switch expansion pak as the same price as the N64 expansion pak which retailed for $29.99 back in the day.

Microsoft game pass for the win

Gee, I wonder why they are being disliked into oblivion...

Maybe its just a terrible deal.

Oh wait, it is.

Well deserved. But as we all know, internet points don't matter.

Making the prices $29.99US and $49.99US for the single and family accounts respectively would have been a lot easier to swallow. The rumor is that much of this price increase will be going to Sega for licensing, and if that's true and that they can't reduce the price of the service, then they'll need to really ramp up the incentives. Like.... eshop discounts, exclusive gold point multiiers on purchases, or just SOMETHING. Not everyone wants the new Animal Crossing expansion, and that'd not a crime.

It will still make little difference, as it's only a very very small proportion of the Switch userbase.

For clarity...

A little too high, in my opinion - 37%
An absolute rip-off! - 43%

@Bermanator nso-expansion is still cheaper than xblg, by $10. Both allow online play and cloud saves. Both give "free games". Why is the nso-ex such a bad deal compared to the others?

N64 had some great games but the generation was plagued with issues related to primitive 3D graphics and controls. I'm not sure many of the games have aged particularly well. I'd be willing to drop 50 bones if they were offering periodic free games like PS Plus and Xbox Live, but certainly won't for the ability to play a handful of N64 and Genesis games with little to no enhancements.

Be right back........40k plus one now! I normally dont dislike vids from anyone unless I really do t agree with them.

I'm more interested in the controllers for my Pi400.

I mean good. I know a lot of users here will chalk it up as “complainers” or “whiners,” but Nintendo’s Online service has always been awful. They need to know that they have customers who want a better service.

So that’s my level headed thought about the whole thing.

Personally. I don’t want freaking animal crossing dlc. I’d gladly pay $10 more for N64 games. Tacking on ACDLC is a waste of my time. I’ve been done with that game for over a year. No interest in going back. Those idiots are so freaking short sighted.

I’m tired of this Japanese business philosophy of “we offer you a catered service because we know best. You must be polite and accept it.”

It’s 2021. It’s a world market. Everything has options. Can’t even deselect exp share in Pokémon lol.

I hope this “expansion” underperforms. Maybe then they’ll realize that they’ve been serverly outclassed for the past decade when it comes to their online service.

I can’t wait for the ++ expansion offering handheld titles from the past, but with it comes a $30 add on for that cardboard game they did.

I know AC has a high attach rate, but what about the people who don’t have AC? Waste of god damn money.

Good. Even if this doesn't make Nintendo change their prices, at least they know that people are not happy about this price. I will gladly add my dislike to that video.

@ballistic90 or just don't include Sega games. I would much prefer Nintendo's catalog only at a lower price.

Everything they’re offering has value, but we don’t necessarily want everything their offering in that bundle price.

Oh, and while I'm ranting, add voice chat lobbies FFS.

You should run the poll again. When I first did it I thought it was a bit pricey but fair since you’d get the Animal Crossing DLC. But now that I know you lose access to the DLC if you stop paying it’s a terrible deal.

I will probably make my finall decision when I see the prices in local currency, but I am also starting to consider staying on the plan I am now and just getting the DLC separately. Especially since I have no nostalgia for N64 and I already have the Mega Drive collection.

So? They're not our friend, they're trying to make money with anticonsumer practices and serves them right

I am fine with the pricing, I’m more frustrated that in general Nintendo has really shown lately how little they care about their hardcore fans compared to the past.

I think a lot of the frustration isn’t just over this, but many recent decisions that weren’t fan friendly.

The one that made me upset was Mario Golf just being a very poor game … when Nintendo is so rich now they could have made it great. Oh, and the money grab on All Stars was just offensive to those with standards.

Right, the generation with a sincere faith in such a thing as weaponized downvotes strikes again.😏 They probably still believe it was their Reddit academy records that strongarmed EA into revising SWB2 mechanics, too.

I've already elaborated on the factors and reasons that may prevent me from upgrading in the near future, but you can bet "forcing Nintendo to lower the price" isn't one of them. Much as I advocate wallet voting as the civilized alternative to all the other fannery audiences can engage in, I rarely utilize it myself as a potential cause - with me it's usually just a consequence. If the related factors like prices do end up changing, I simply reassess my spending plans again, rather than pat myself on the back for allegedly humbling a greedy corporation.

I only paid NSO $20 for Online access since i have no longer interest with NES and SNES games, don't have interest with N64 and Genesis games.
Also, I don't play games by rent.

@PhhhCough Because the games are much older, a few barely touched N64 roms compared to relatively recent brand new games on XL (or PSPlus) does not compare favourably.

Oh and Nintendos general online infrastructure is still about 20 years behind Xbox Live because it misses basic functions like messaging and voice chat among other key points.

When you price something near a competitors you better make sure yours looks good value. This highlights Nintendos laziness in the online space. Nothing in regards to online has actually improved since Nintendo started charging for it. Any other company would be crucified for such lack of improvement.

You do have to wonder if Nintendo ever focus group anything.

The price is pretty steep for me, and I'm a sucker.

I don’t think the price is unreasonable for the content, but I’m 100% not paying for it. Too much in the queue to add more. It’s like a Netflix subscription you never use.

I might do it once - at an even higher price - if they included one or both of those controllers.

Way too expensive especially if you aren’t into Animal Crossing.
Most NES games are pretty dire these days apart from a few titles such as Super Mario Bros 3.
There’s some great SNES games but many just haven’t stood the test of time, likewise with the Sega games.
N64 games were great back in the day but they’re not so enjoyable to play these days and technically a lot of them are very poor. Sin And Punishment is amazing and so is Starfox but for me £35 just doesn’t represent anything near value for money.

@FredsBodyDouble a bit late for that now

For this much money, I need both Smash DLC character packs to be free as well as Gameboy/Advance & Gamecube games. Then we'd be talking.

@StooBush Right! Nintendo should take another page from the Disney playbook. Ditch the sacred ‘Vault’ and put most of their stuff on a subscription service.

Thanks for linking to the trailer so I could give it a dislike.

I'm one of the dislikes. We have one switch but multiple users so my price would be $80 and that's just way too much to pay.

@arenred That's untrue. I only have Playstation Plus and haven't bothered with a gold subscription since 2019. 360 game saves still save to the cloud, both on my 360 and Xbox One X.

If games are to be released for it monthly ( there are 4 consoles now it shouldn't be hard), then it could be more worth it. If we are to be drip fed like we are currently, then it is not worth that amount

Unfortunately for Nintendo, the dislikes are deserved. If people want to blame licensing, that's fine, but imo, NSO is just not worth $50 even with Genesis, N64 and Animal Crossing DLC involved. And if Sega playing hardball is the cause of this, that's also on Nintendo. Should've just walked away from the negotiation table and went with one of its own systems like GBA or the Gamecube, the latter of which would've made many people happy. One of those two, along with N64, for $40 without the AC DLC would've been much better received, you'd still see some people say it's too much but the noise wouldn't be nearly as loud. I've even seen some of the most passionate Nintendo fans say this pricing structure is ridiculous.

How dare people have different opinions to mine and express them to give Nintendo feedback! They should all be good puppies and lick Ninty's boots like I do!

If you break it down, in the UK it's just over £1 a month extra to play N64 games and Megadrive games. I can't see what the fuss is about. Sadly we live in a world where people want everything for free and they want it yesterday. But if you're the type of person who thinks a thumbs down on a YouTube video is going to make a difference, good luck with that. I'll get back to my Switch now.

As someone who pays for a yearly subscription of PS+, I don't necessarily mind paying a higher price. However, if Nintendo is going to jack the price up, then I'm going to need them to release new games on the service, every month just like PS+ plus does.

Unfortunately, if the past year or so, has been any indication (with the NES and SNES apps), that won't be the case. Updating it every three - four months, especially at that price isn't going to cut it IMO.

$50 for the expansion pack is not worth it. I mean in terms of Super Mario 64 I would just buy the collection pack instead with the improved version of the game. If you want to play Star Fox on the switch just buy Starlink and Kirby and the Forgotten Land makes Kirby 64 a waste of time. Zelda, Banjo and F Zero are not worth it getting the upgrade.

So basically if you don't like animal crossing then it's not worth it

Remains to be seen if people will stick to their guns or will buckle and wind up buying it anyways.

Guys, it’s 67p a week for 58 NES games, 49 SNES games, 9 N64 games, 14 Mega Drive games plus more incoming. Plus online and a few other perks. I’m not really sure what the rip off is here? But if you don’t like it, then don’t subscribe. Me personally, I think it’s worth it to have such a large library of classic games that I can play on a modern big screen tv and on the go if I wanted to

Makes me wonder how wide spread emulation is. It really does devalue games to the point of folk wanting thes games for like 5 quid a year because they regard them as free.

I can only wonder if they have heard themselves complaining.

I'm not into sub services (and Gamepass can do one - wait till MS start wanting to make money from it!) I'll get a sub at some point (and those N64 pads are lovely!) to play the games and I'll consider it reasonable. But I reckon it doesn't mean Ninty have stopped releasing older games (like all stars.)

They shouldn't charge for online gaming. Tim Berners Lee gave us the internet. This service (without the expansion) is practically free. The expansion is optional remember. And I'll defo dabble.

Let's be real to this day Nintendo have never proven that they can do online even remotely competently so in my eyes they never had any business charging for online in the first place. This is just an extra layer of bollocks screw them it's not worth it and they deserve the backlash

The people disliking need to put up or shut up but I doubt that will happen so expect more slow drip drip drip feeding of games and no enchantments to how they perform and look.

Good. Give me VC so I can buy the handful of games I actually want, instead of this stupid subscription crap

But $50/year is literally just $4/month, you get access to SNES, NES, N64, and/or Genesis games to play all the time with more coming every few months plus those battle royale games, some free games to try (like Among Us and Two-Point Hospital), cloud save, expensive classic controllers, and online play. In comparison Amazon Luna is $6/month without the UbiSoft sub, with the UbiSoft sub and it ups to $20/month ($240/year) and Google Stadia is $10/month ($120/year) if you want to try some free games with it as not every games had free access.

It could get a million dislikes versus a mere ten likes and Nintendo still wouldn't care. So long as it sells, that is all that matters to them, customer wallets be damned.

There is zero reason for only a handful SEGA’s games to be tied to a subscription when you can already (permanently) buy a more comprehensive collection for the system.

Nintendo should have issued a bunch of N64 ROMs on Switch cartridges rather than overcharging for this nonsense.

Nintendo need to be doing more to entice subscribers to the base NSO “service”. This “expansion pack” has only served to further put me off.

The terms of the contract with Sega haven't been revealed. I don't buy the Sega excuse at all. It's Nintendo what we're talking about. They do this all the time. They are the only company in the world that release ports that are even more expensive than the original games, games from the same generation, e.g., Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze. They don't offer any kind of cross-buy option anymore. They used to give discounts (Wii U's Virtual Console) and cross-buy options (Mario vs. DK) but not since Switch was released and was successful. The Nintendo of today will pull your eyes out and sell them if possible.

I won't be dishing out the cash for it. I can afford it easily, but it's just not worth the price to me.

They deserve it. What a rip-off this service is. I'm so glad that HHP can be purchased separately. If it wasn't, I would be fuming.

Unfortunately, no matter how many dislikes or how much complaining people do about it Nintendo will change NOTHING. Mainly because people are still all going to reluctantly buy it. I mean look how quick those 50 dollar controllers sold out…it was like 24 hours maybe lol it’s just the way it’s always been. And I’m 100 percent guilty of this as well

Still gonna upgrade, I have 0 issue with the price. $50 a year is nothing and barely would put a dent in my wallet and I'm not even close to being rich. It's basically $4 a month, more than affordable.

I will buy it for sure ! ^^

@Zach1122 Sony did reverse their decision about Horizon 2 (forgot the name) PS4-PS5 upgrade due to fan backlash. Hope Nintendo can see they’re doing. In the meantime the best we can do is DO NOT BUY

@SalvorHardin @Specter_of-the_OLED @PoliticallyIncorrect @Arkay @Yakuboto @Bustacap hm. i dont mind paying 40 euro for a year... if I am willing to do so.

@Postie85 well technically true, I feel there are other things to take into consideration as well. Yes there are fourteen Sega Genesis games at launch, however, if you already own the Castlevania and Contra anniversary collections, then you already own Bloodlines and Hard Corps.

As for the remaining twelve Genesis games, you can find another ten on the Sega Genesis Classics game that's also on Switch. So really for someone like me, that already owns those three collections, the only new Sega Genesis games on the expansion pack are M.U.S.H.A. and Strider (at least as far as right out of the gate goes).

The real selling point for me is the N64 games and like I said, if I'm paying PS+ like prices, then I'm going to need new releases monthly and not every three- four months like they currently are doing.

I think it's way too overpriced. Yes, you have to have NSO/PS+/XBLG for cloud saves. However, the difference in game offerings being that PS and Xbox offer same platform games every month. Whereas Nintendo is offering decades old games. And I know a ton of people, including myself, are either done with those generations, or we have other free ways of playing these games.
Now, if Nintendo offered 1-3 SWITCH platform games instead, I'd be ok with that price.

I'll wait until there's either a sale, or more games are added.

I can't help but feel the only reason why N64 is in that expansion is because they may not get the number of subscribers for the expansion for Sega games on it's own. Throwing Animal Crossing expansion in makes the deal look sweeter, but it really isn't. But let's be honest here, it's the N64 games we want and the main reason why most would even consider paying. I haven't seen anyone wanting or being excited for the Sega games and myself certainly isn't as I already have multiple Sega collections on modern consoles anyway.

I just wonder did Nintendo and Sega have to come to an agreement to get those Sega games on. Maybe Sega would have refused if Nintendo didn't put N64 in with it to get guaranteed numbers (to pay for the licences). Had they refused, maybe Nintendo would have added N64 to the current subscripion as intended.

Oh well, not for me. Plenty of other titles to play instead.

@Postie85 you get NES & SNES for 20$ a year, your paying an extra 30$ for N64 & Genesis, not everyone thinks it’s worth it

@PhhhCough way more online games to play, more third party support, free games every month, discounts on games for being a member etc.

@KasperDG I feel the same way. If they offered some choice of modern games, I'd pay for it. I don't want to be within a foot of an Animal Crossing cartridge, so that's not a lure for me.

I feel like this should have been added as part of the standard subscription fee or, if they're going to charge extra for this new content, there should be a lot more than just some retro games included for that total subscription fee, which takes it up to around the same cost as both PlayStation's and Xbox's online services at this point.

@Mattock1987 I work in an industry that didn't have to recover from the pandemic because we never closed. Not everyone is so lucky. To raise the price to 2.5 times what we were already paying isn't just greed, it's tone deaf in these times. You've revealed yourself to be whiny and entitled by complaining about people who maybe can't justify the increase in tough times

I do think the price is too high for what is on offer if you are using the single user subscription. However, as with the basic NSO subscription, the family membership ist still incredibly good value for the asking price even with the price increase. I'd say if you aren't already in a family membership, now is the time to get into one.

Just did my civil duty and gave it a dislike.

I let my NOL subscription expire. There are too many games that I have zero interest in. And many of those I wanted to try I played once or twice and never revisited. Sometimes memories are better than going back to relive the past. Also, Nintendo has taught me to never trust them when it comes to frequency or quality of updates. I’ll only buy into it after it has what I feel is adequate value—not in the hope that they’ll come out with good values as the year progresses. It feels like sometimes they actively try to prove that people don’t really want what we’re asking for (GameCube games, anyone?).

I’m buying the AC expansion, and I guess I’ll just live without the N64 and Genesis. I can’t understand why they don’t have the option.

@Postie85 Plenty of posts stating exactly why people aren't happy. I'm not sure how you can possibly be confused about this.

@reporterdavid So pay it. I don't care what you do with your money. You don't see me trying to start a revolution over this.

If they had made the normal NSO more with it I could see people thinking this may be good. But with the slow trickle of mediocre games for the NES and SNES it's hard to believe this will be great.

@Bermanator,

Awesome, not so sure Nintendo factor in people playing on emulators, what next, the movie industry stopping making films because some people download them illegally.

@My_ultimate_is_ready +1. I got a Series S with gamepass last spring. Microsoft points are so easy to earn, I've never had to pay for gamepass. Plus day 1 releases of first party games and the sheer volume of high quality third party games is amazing.

I think there would be much less hate if nintendo said more consoles will be added in the future

See, I'm pretty sure that people commenting and hitting the like/dislike buttons and all that on the internet only represent a tiny fraction of Nintendo's customer base. Like, complain all you want but you're just a vocal minority. The massive casual crowd don't follow the industry or think about this stuff too hard. $50 is nothing to most working families, so if they see any amount of value in the NSO package (or the kids complain enough), I'd think they'd drop the cash on it.

@Postie85 they are not yours to keep tho. Only borrowing them from Nintendo, till service expires.

Aren't most people who have nostalgia for Sega games old enough by now to have the means to play those games in a half dozen other ways? When they announced the price of the upgraded service I let out reflexive "Hah! Good luck with that". At that price they probably only need 10,000 suckers to sign up to break even.

If you go from the Likes/Dislikes on this and the Nintendo UK version, you're looking at about 1 in 5 people/households picking it up. And that's 1 in 5 of those already invested/interested enough to watch the video, so likely current subscribers.

That's not a good look. Marketing departments do pay attention to these things.

@Dorry77 Looks like the base pak may be more expensive in the UK. Your yearly subscription is just under double. For us, it is more than double.

A single user yearly subscription in NA: $20 base with expansion being $30 more.

I'll be getting it as it works at around 70p (I think) but we get more elsewhere for the same price. N64 has some great games but bar a few games isn't the draw for me it once was. Especially as I own many N64 games on my Wii mode on the Wii U and probably Wii U VC itself (I can't remember!). Banjo and playing this portably is the big draw, but is it enough? Maybe just shades it for me but I may change my mind again

I still have 3 spaces in my family group if anyone wants to join. The sub will start on the 26th of the month. Let me know. I have 3 people join from here

@BirdBoy16 I think it’s different in the uk. We have to pay £17.99 a year for basic NSO and the upgrade is going to be an extra £17, to make it £34.99. I think an extra £17 will be worth it if we have a total library of 20 odd games over the next year. Obviously the quality will eventually speak for itself but I’m excited to have the ocarina of time on a modern console and tv

The Big N highly overestimated their own value to its loyal fanbase. I never planned on upgrading to the Expansion pack, even prior to the cost reveal. But the 150% increase is just ghastly.

I think it should be based on which library you choose to expand to at 9.99 for each. You can find lot of Sega games in the Sega Genesis Collection and various individual games on the store anyways. They should have added the GB/GBA library as these would appeal more to Nintendo fans.

@Spagetti69 isn’t everything just to rent l these days though? Netflix, Spotify, PS Plus, games with gold, Now Tv, Amazon Prime. It’s not ideal but it’s the world we live in where everyone wants you to sign up to some form of subscription service so it’ll depend on the individual if they think it’s worth it for the particular product.

Honestly, I feel more people would be fine with this, if Nintendo were offering the N64 and Genesis games as separate packs. Like if you wanted just N64 games, you could purchase that as a lower priced pack and same with if you just wanted the Genesis games. Of course, you would also be able to purchase both of them, like Nintendo is currently doing, if you wanted that option as well.

I've nicknamed my old New 3dsxl -'Nintendo Switch Online'

I think it’s going to be interesting to see the numbers when the expansion pass releases. People have grumbled about Nintendo’s past decisions but it was either buy it or tough. Joy con drifting? Buy another one. Waiting for Mario 3D All Stars to go on sale? We’re permanently delisting it.

Now we’re in a situation where what Nintendo is offering is more or less a frivolous add on of no real importance and debatable value. Base Switch add on is pretty bad but it satisfies the basic necessity of allowing you to play games online. For many, I suspect that’s enough.

@Postie85 so I guess America’s just unlucky

Talk about out of touch....

If only Nintendo did a Netflix/Game pass type deal, would anyone pay this price.

They could even let you buy the games you want at a discount.

What if all my purchases from Wii/U carried over like they do on Steam when I upgrade my PC... sigh...

As it should be.

Why is there not as much backlash in Japan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zNYvc_v_Xc

@BirdBoy16 @Postie85 I think the US base pak is slightly cheaper in the US than in the UK (looking at single user yearly subscriptions). $20 converts to £14.58 (vs £17.99).

Our increase is more, but the expansion pak prices are close for the two markets.

Like I said in another post, it wouldn't be so bad of a price if the Happy Home Paradise DLC could be played on its own without the need of New Horizons, kind of like the physical version of New Super Luigi U when it first came out.
I need to see how much of a discount I can get for the Expansion before I pull the trigger, my incidental 2-year NSO expires on February 2022.

@PhhhCough because the online services and speeds are on a different level.

Hope this amount of dislikes makes them rethink some things and low the price. I doubt it will.

I think the Canadian price is completely worth if you think about it, they could have released all of the n64 and sega genesis games on virtual console for CAD$10-40 each.

@Tandy255 I’m sure after rate of exchange, there probably isn’t that much in it between the two countries. I think I’ve been a bit biased about the whole thing as I love the N64, one of my all time favourite consoles, and have a well paid job and am more than happy to pay the extra but everyone’s circumstances and tastes are different and can understand that not everyone will be as happy to pay it

I'm just after renewing my Switch Online for another year how much is it gonna cost? does my existing time upgrade to the new tier? or does that convert to the equivalent time at the new price?

@gspro15198 Upgrading is optional.

It's a rip off. I have paid $60 for 3 years so far & only use online for SSBU. I have played some of the NES SNES stuff, probably 15 hours total. So to ask me to pay $150 for another 3 years in crazy, especially when it doesn't translate into substantially morr games. For $180 for 3 years on Xbox or PS Plus you'd get rougly 108-180 games (3-5 games per month) plus a ton of discounts on other select games / early access. Whereas here I'd get to own no games, they're all over 20 years old and I'd get some DLC I could get for $25. It's a rip off, will maybe consider it 2-3 years from now when they have added substantially more titles

Must be tough competing with emulation, which is free. Knowing this, they should make the service a lot more robust, with a vastly larger library, and with features included that emulation might not have implemented. Something that would make the online service feel premium and exclusive. Right now it’s just the same games you can download anywhere, so it’s no wonder they are struggling with its popularity.

Uh oh, guess what? A lot of people is still going to make the upgrade hahahaha.

@Tandy255 I guess I just don’t know how money works in other places that well

Hard pass for me. I don't play the NES/SNES bundled with the service. Just need the online function for non-f2p games. Had a feeling it would be overpriced but this is too much.

Never saw much value from PS Plus anyways as I'm usually not interested in their free games. Now the XB360 gold free games are a different story since they let u keep them even if you unsubscribe. They moved to the Sony model on the next gen unfortunately.

@Screen you can pick up a Nintendo 64 in fairly good condition for around €70-90. Extra controller is about €15-20. Games range between €10-50. Not saying it's super cost effective to recreate the library they are offering but for less than €200 you could get a nice selection of games & original hardware and own them for a reasonable price instead of rental. My buddy and I just picked one up for those prices 2 weeks ago and were playing WCW vs nWo World Tour and Mario kart for under €120 an hour later (N64, extra controller, 3 games). Plus I got Golden Eye for €25 hehe.

Yeah I mean you can't blame people the price isn't justifiable give people worth while content you even forcing them with animal crossing not everyone plays that.

Hope nintendo acknowledge this because they can't expect people pay for this.

@Postie85 I have the family plan (five switches and five copies of Animal Crossing), so it is also worth it for me to at least try it for a year.

However, it is overpriced for single users and those that don’t care about Animal Crossing (unless more stuff is added).

@Kilamanjaro another thing to note is that both PS Plus and Xbox Gold has other perks from f2p titles such as free skins, in game currency and other stuff as well. You get to keep it too even when your sub runs out. Nintendo is kinda crazy charging the same price as those services IMO.

@BloodNinja Probably not. The membership is 27million and from any search of a ROMSite with numbers. The reality of piracy is the vast majority of downloads are concentrated on a few big games, not spread across many obscure ones.

Pirates aren't downloading obscure games so a wide library isn't necessary. Just key titles, hence how the NES and SNES classics saw such success with merely 30 and 21 key games.

Bedwetters being bedwetters. Ho hum.

I see no problem with the asking price.
So I'll gladly pay and play most of the N64 games.

Honestly I can't wait to play F-Zero X, Mario Kart 64 and Diddy Kong Racing online with my friends.

Yeah, millions of bucks spent on their Steam-library but 20 bucks more a year is too much. Playstation Plus has been 60 euros since forever - and nobody complained.
Oh and if anybody hasn‘t understood it yet: it is an OPTION which means you don‘t have to buy it.

@BloodNinja Well they do offer easy online play, probably the best thing about their offer

Again for that sort of subscription price hike we should be seeing consoles like Wii and GameCube! For Genesis and N64 only it’s to me just insulting. It’s almost as if Nintendo thinks we’re all a bunch of idiots??

The Pokemon Sword/Shield E3 2019 gameplay video is Nintendo's 2nd most disliked YouTube video with 90,000 dislikes. It was published right after the announcement that not all Pokemon would be in the game.

_{Sword/Shield has sold 21+ million copies.}

Wait, is it fifty on top of what we're already paying, or is it fifty all together total? Of course, that just differentiates between extortion and highway robbery, buy still....

If only there was more backlash when they decided to start charging people to be able to play online (same with Xbox & playstation)

@sleepinglion it’s a luxury service, not a necessity. The cruel fact of life is not everyone can afford what they want. If you can’t afford an extra £3 a month (or don’t want to pay for it) then I’m sorry but you don’t get the NSO expansion.

There was that poll on here last week, asking if people thought it'd be $5 or $10. That's what everyone was guessing. People were valuing the expansion at five or ten dollqrs. Some people thought it may be fifteen. If Nintendo was crazy. Having Nintendo come out with a price three or five times higher than what the consumers were valuing it is insane

It’s too expensive or a single subscription but too cheap if you split the cost on a family subscription.

I just.... Really really hope the price gets lowered. It just feels gross

There needs to be a price tier for those who don't play Animal Crossing. Come on Nintendo, do the right thing!

Mmm-Hmm. Yeah, you are all whining and complaining but you'll get it anyway.

@My_ultimate_is_ready can I ask from what game's your avatar? (BTW, Game pass rules)

One more dislike added to the broth 😂😂

https://www.twitter.com/MatPiscatella/status/1449060736529940482

@Krysus hahahahaha, yeah, I did the same thing

Was this at all surprising to begin with? NSO trailers have a bad track record with very few videos gaining more likes and dislikes. The only one I can think of is DKC on SNES.

If you have friends with switch’s, this is fine. I just got three friends to join a family plan with me so we’ll be paying $20 each which is the same price as an original single offering, but now we’ll all get N64 and Genesis… but not everyone will be as lucky as me sadly. It’s still way over priced.

We don’t need sega games if that’s the reason for the hike up. We have a sega collection already on switch. Really Nintendo’s service is worth no more than $20. The Wii/Wii u had just as good of a working service and Id rather have a virtual console again anyway since we got weekly updates.

@Gamer83 exactly on the money. If negotiations caused the price hike, then why not just walk away from those deals and include more of your own consoles and games which you already have the rights to? It’s a Nintendo system, more people will care about GB, GBA, and GC games than Genesis. Plus they’d save a ton of money. It just doesn’t make any sense to me. And hopefully it doesn’t make a ton of cents for Nintendo and they make some adjustments, but I doubt it lol.

Not paying for this is where I am. I don't want to play N64 games or Sega games. I don't play SNES or nes games now. I don't even use the online now. Horrible service. Horrible pricing and only a fanboy would support it.

@westman98 That's why I think bandwagon dislike campaigns or gamer boycotts are.

People going out of their way to dislike a video just creates an artificial skewed perspective that doesn't line up with reality.

Assuming this will be about $70CAD where I am from, I am still seeing that price justified. I am very interested in playing N64 and the Animal Crossing DLC. That being said, you can already purchased a relatively decent Genesis Collection on the Switch for about $40CAD.

Also, Xbox Game Pass Ultimate is $17CAD/m. Audible is about $16CAD/m. All of my entertainment services are are around that price range. For games I can get hundreds of hours out of for a flat rate which is less than half of the other entertainment platforms I use, that's reasonable. Most of the Xbox Pass games which I am interested in can be picked up on Steam for a fraction of the monthly cost.

You can't play N64 anywhere else unless you have the original hardware, which is monstrously expensive due to the nostalgia wave / the entertainment markups due to Covid. There will always be Project 64 for those who are unable or unwilling to pay for this new online price.

I do not think the ratings on this video will cause Nintendo to change their prices. I think they understand how much the idea of N64 on Switch was hyped by the fans and they're selling at what they think the nostalgia is economically worth.

@steely_pete Very true! Certain emulators offer the same, so that’s nice I guess.

@ModdedInkling
I just checked, and apparently the original NSO Overview Trailer from April 2021 has 10K likes and 69K dislikes.

NSO-related content always gets downvoted hard on YouTube.

@Dr_Lugae lol Those are some wild assumptions, but I don’t feel the need to correct them.

I am happy to be one of the 14k upvotes. It's going to be a great service. I also pre-ordered the N64 controller.

If they are blaming the price on licensing they should split N64 and Saga to two separate packs. Less to pay but still a "deal" with both combined.

NSO + N64 Expansion Pack: $29.99
NSO + Sega Expansion Pack: $29.99

NSO + Both Expansion Packs + Animal Crossing DLC: $49.99

Because it's not good.

@PhhhCough Why is NSO worse than Xbox live?

No voice chat
No messaging
No achievements
No user reviews
Minimal parental controls
Inability to lock individual user accounts

Plus more I'm sure I missed.

I like how they called it the "expansion pack" and then the first thing they added to it was an "expansion pack" for Animal Crossing.
It feels like a "pay extra, and we'll give you some kick-ass DLC for free" feature.
Imagine if Mario Odyssey DLC were added to the expansion pack, too.
Seems somewhat ideal, if you ask me.
As with all things Ninty, give it time.

@Kilamanjaro how do you play it on an HDTV?

Putting the AC expansion to the Expansion Pack was a big big mistake and failure ..
1. first, it made the service more expensive
2. second, what the hell has the expansion to do with NES/SNES/N64/Genesis games?
3. third, it caused a big confussion among AC players wanting to buy it

@TimGibsonPBS But what if we don't want or have enough time to play and beat every game?

@Jayenkai what? it is not ideal at all ...What does Animal Crossing have to do with NSO? What does the expansion have to do with NES/SNES/N64/Genesis games? What does the expansion have to do with players paying for the service to play all those old games? The expansion has absolutely zero use for them, but they are forced to pay for it. Nintendo must have gone mad...

@mmarkster too complicated
NSO + N64 + Sega Pack: $29.99
NSO + Both Expansion Packs + Animal Crossing DLC: $49.99

this would do

I'll wait for sales figures. All too often the monkeys that play video games will scream and shout and downvote something, then buy it anyway. Let's wait and see how the service does in terms of profit, because NONE OF YOU can be trusted to accurately describe what you really want.

They got 43k dislikes? THEY DESERVE EVEN MORE!

There is no way I'll play more than +150% on a Exp Pack. I was counting on 50% more, maybe 75% more (you know, it's Nintendo), but this time they completely outline the price

@BloodNinja exactly ..Does Nintendo want to fight warez emulator sites? Then they should put around 1000 old games to the NSO service.
I mean, cmon, its been 4 years and there are only 100 NES/SNES games combined and after 4 years they decided to upgrade the service with 9 ...yes... 9!!!!!! N64 games ....That´s sick, that´s arogant, that´s absurd, that´s ridiculous.

I remember something, there is a Brazilian YouTuber especiallized on Nintendo "Coelho No Japão" that show us yesterday something interesting:

The japonese reception is not that bad and probably thay will upgrade. Now with Furukawa Nintendo is looking only to the japonese market reception even more than other times, so probably they won't cool down the price if we reject it

Not really surprised by this.

Not enough relevant stuff for me on the expensive pack.
I think the base price is bad enough for what it is.

This species is doomed.

for 80 bucks year, you and like7 of your friends can have access to free dlc, online n64 games, and other perks.

That's like 10 bucks per person per year.

The same kind of people who cry this is 'renting a game' have spent thousands on hulu, netflix, hbo max, disney plus, ect, not to mention how much they spend on steam-- and yes, you don't own digital products. You've never owned digital products, just cuz you can get a game for cheap on steam doesnt mean you own it. Not by the legal definition of ownership, or the common sense definition of it. All it'd take is one really good cyber attack for steam to fall apart, all of their data to be wiped, and if your computer breaks-- you lose all your steam games. So no, you don't own digital products.

Why is it a problem when nintendo does this stuff, and does it cheaply, cheaper than anyone else, but when microsoft, sony, or steam does it its not an issue?

This all boils down to hardcore anti nintendo bias. "But its a crappy online service, it doesn't even have voice chat!" As if you'd use the voice chat anyway. Shut up.

@Don Mine came with DK 64.

@BlackenedHalo
"NSO + N64 + Sega Pack: $29.99
NSO + Both Expansion Packs + Animal Crossing DLC: $49.99"

It doesn't make sense, you're paying 20 dollars yearly for a 25 expension.

I think it would work if it's not exactly a AC DLC but a bunch like a "season pass premium" that work with all Nintendo games, you won't need to buy a first party DLC anymore if you use the NSO DLC Expansion

@AugustusOxy amen bro!

@BloodNinja Doubt you could even if you wanted. But OK.

@AugustusOxy

Streaming services don't depend on sitcoms/dramas from the late 90s and early 2000s. A huge supposed draw of this expansion is nostalgia, unlike the staying relevant with pop culture and theatrical releases.

That also goes directly against what some have mentioned, where the occasional modern switch release would probably justify the price because, contrary to what your post would imply, the vast majority of comments are railing against cost vs. goods provided, not the nature of digital subscription.

It's not as dramatic as a species being doomed, a lot of people just feel it's too pricey lol.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't even subscribe for a single month to try this expansion pack, right?

Anyone running odds on when Nintendo 'Re-uploads' this on You-tube to clear the dislike ratio?

Ive got no issue paying an extra £10 a year on top of the current £17.99 for the privilege of the N64 and the genesis games. Its the bit extra im being told ive got to pay for the mandatory DLC im never going to use. Im really happy for the folks that will make use of the subscription to its full potential tho. I love Nintendo and always have done but this is one practice that i wont support and im glad people are being vocal on the matter.

I think the real issue isn't that it's $50 a year. I think paying less than what amounts to $5/ month for a decent sized library of NES/SNES/GEN/N64 is totally worth it. I think the issue is really precedent. Basic NSO is 40% of that new price tier. People are mad because the new value doesn't line up for them. And I agree.

It's kind of like when I balk at buying expansion passes to games. So you're telling me the base game cost $60 and provides X amount of content, then you want me to spend 50% of the base cost again for Y amount of content - usually that Y being much smaller than X.

I don't think 50 a year is bad play station plus and xbox live are that with no low price option.

Just let us pay for and own the damn games. I want to have them on my Switch home screen for one!

My response? Hah! GOOD!

Genesis games are such a waste on here anyway. There are much better ways to get those games on Switch. Whether with the enhanced ports, or the genesis collection. I'd be tempted of they threw in GameCube and GBA into the mix, but Genesis is basically nothing to me.

I do want it and I’m not too concerned about the cost but I’m in no inherent rush so I’ll hold off in solidarity

Federation Force is the most underrated Metroid game, and I do think the NSO expansion is too expensive in its current form. $50 is what I would expect had the expansion included Gamecube or Wii, and I would be willing to pay that much for that from launch. There's not enough value currently with just a handful of N64 titles. It could get there once that selection is robust though. I'm interested in the state of the NSO N64 next summer.

It NL asked me to write an article on the above topic I could make a good argument for either side.
The family pack is Nintendo selling the pack to me and me renting it out to up to seven others. I could even make a bit of a profit.

If I used all that is on offer in the single pack, I guess I would get my money's worth.

But I don't play online, or AC, but would be interested in playing a few N64 games, but the price while affordable is not good value for money. I object to paying over the odds, just to boost Nintendo shares.

But... I could justify the cost. Let's say I play 14 games a year and decided to have next year as a retro year and play 14 N64 games that works out at £2.50 a game. See where I'm going with this. Add up what I would have paid for games normally and I'm saving, I win.

As it is I get to keep my money and the £35 will be saved.

Still not sure what I will do but I did hear one argument for families with multiple Switch consoles and Animal Crossing players. The price is a little more fair if you would be buying the DLC multiple times, but the rental aspect of it still leaves a bad taste.

I just really wished they would give us the option to buy individual N64 games. I’d pay 10 bucks a pop, and wouldn’t have a bunch of other games that I’ll never touch. I also don’t play online (gasp!) Why can’t they give us choice here? It wouldn’t hurt their bottom line, because as of right now, I’m not interested, and they could only stand to gain my money if they ever offer that option. I’ve never been interested in Animal Crossing either, so there’s no value there for me. Just bummed to see N64 relegated to games as a service. Maybe I’m just too old now lol. But there is nothing wrong with giving consumers choice, like they did back in the Wii U days with classic systems and VC options, not to mention the ability to transfer over games from the Wii era and upgrade certain games with more features for a nominal fee. Nintendo is always stingy when they’re on top of the world. I don’t say any of this out of hate either. I’m a diehard Nintendo fan since 1990, and they’ll always be my favorite game company. Just wish they gave us more choice and everything wasn’t based around online.

This was inevitable, the pricing is just too high for the average consumer to be ok with it, I feel like it was cheaper they would get more subscriptions and end up making more money as a result, but with the increase in price they may be finally pulling out all the stops for the service because they would have to in order for there to be enough value to keep subscribing. This is Nintendo though, so who knows what their plans are, it could be bare minimum.

The only way I feel the pricing is fair, is if Expansion pack also included any new DLC for all of Nintendo's games. Otherwise it's a terrible deal.

Nintendo definitely misread the room on this one. While I'm sure there will be many who would/will pay this amount with no complaint, the amount they're asking is simply too much for most consumers. There's already a million ways to play Genesis games and there's not enough N64 games on offer. This leaves the Animal Crossing DLC as the main selling point.

As for me, I would likely not bother with it for a few months until more N64 games are added and then consider it. I'm interested in what third party titles could get added. The bomberman games, perhaps? The Goemon titles would be nice, too. but as it stands, it's too much to play N64 games I already own physicals of or have access to in some other capacity. I would have been fine with a 10 dollar increase but they're asking more than twice what we already pay for.

As someone who defended the original package, I can say without a doubt this offering feels like a major ripoff. Why not just let me choose which parts of it I want? I was excited for this, and I was willing to pay more….but more than twice the price? What a stupid ask, I don’t wanna play ocarina of time that bad

@BlackenedHalo I prefer a meet in the middle approach.

I think they are just trying to see where the threshold to abuse the fans without consequences is

@BlackenedHalo
If you have NSO, with "some" old games, then get the Expansion Pass, it expands it to have more console's games.
If you have Animal Crossing, the Expansion Pass expands that, too.

It's TOO MUCH to pay just for those, especially since you can all-out pay for the AC DLC, at almost the same price.
This would, then, be looking to be a monthly "you get all the future expansions for free" pass. "Expansion Pass" would, then, be a very apt name.
Note that this new service has the same name as BOTW's "Expansion Pass"

From the vocal minority*

Huh, that's a tough sell. Whomever thought up the pricing wasn't in touch with reality it seems.

I'd way prefer old VC pricing, but that's the same for most on here I guess, but becomes even more obvious now; I don't care about Genesis/Mega Drive games etc and would normally purchase max 3-5 N64 games (only 2 of the ones on offer here), but I already have Mario 64 from the Mario Collection so the value for this is low for me.

With this kind of pricing I'd expect GameCube on there or at the very least discounts on normal games.

Not buying.

The problem is that the pricing is overpriced. Now when you look at the competition vs what you are getting with the expansion pass it really isn't good.

Sure it is still a small bit cheaper then gold/ps+ but look at what they offer.

• 3 - 4 free games each month with the oldest games being 360 games for xbox and ps4 games for ps+.
• Exclusive discounts on games or even more of a saving on games that are already on sale from time to time
• The online stability is better overall on the other systems then what is on switch. (now this is still a problem even at the base price but many including myself were will to somewhat overlook it because of what the base price cost)
• Voice chat and messaging from the console itself instead of needing to use a phone app which only allows it for a small number of games.

Now there are other issues i have with things like the AC dlc but that is more of a middle ground issue as if you still play AC then that does make the price a little better but if you don't play AC or have stopped playing it then it doesn't help with the price.

Nintendo really needs to step up there game if they need to make the price more justifiable. From when this expansion pass is released I would like to see them add games to each system monthly (like 2 games per system would be fine with me but alt versions of games don't count) instead of this drip feed they have been doing. But they need to keep with this going forward.

In some ways this is a good deal, it works out to be about £2.92 a month! if you think how much each game would cost on a VC-Service individually then its about choice. However with the VC service you got to keep the games rather than just 'rent' them...

@BlackenedHalo Yep, their service is being undermined by ROM sites.

I mean, imagine if they developed their own emulator that allowed for a selection of graphical enhancements to make games look 3D....oh wait there’s an emulator on steam that does that, heh. But, c’mon...something! I’m not surprised at the backlash they are receiving.

Nintendo should offer a cheaper, AC less package. Right now it looks like the price is jacked up by an un-optional premium DLC nobody interested in the VC options would be interested in and vice versa, like a "worse than the sum of its parts".

@andrew20 PlayStation Plus also gives you new games every month to play. The problem is Nintendo has shown time and again, they won't update it every month.

You get more bang for your buck with PS+, Nintendo though, are expecting you to pay around the same price to upgrade without much bang (unless they start putting new games on there monthly instead of every three - four months).

If you ask me, that's a pretty big difference between the two.

@PhhhCough Because the "free games" given on XBOX Game Pass (which I still feel is a ripoff, but only because the games they give away are nothing I would ever play) aren't 20+ years old.

It's not like they're selling a static device (NES Mini/SNES Mini) that has a large number of AAA games that you then own (until the device dies); they're renting you games that are decades old and can almost all be obtained elsewhere for cheaper.

When you take the desirability of their products out of the equation, Nintendo's actual business practices- like the apparent contempt they have for their customers- are pretty shady.

BTW Thanks NL didn't think of doing that

@Specter_of-the_OLED I'm on the fence about the expansion pass. I mean, I'm content, for the time being, with buying the Animal Crossing DLC and just waiting until December (when my basic NSO subscription ends) or later to decide to upgrade.

But for my temperament when it comes to gaming, I only play certain games every so often. And so the idea of subscription service is nice for the simple fact that within that given period I'm subscribed, I can play that game(s) when I want and not be on the hook in buying something I'm only gonna play once a year or every other year. It happened with VC on the Wii and Wii U. And like you said, it breaks down to a little over $4.00 a month and it's all one payment. It's not like we're talking $50 a month here.

I also know the comparison to other gaming services is brought up. I'm aware they may have much more attractive perks. I really can't speak on them or the comparisons seeing as the only experience I have with any other is Xbox Gold and that's from gaming on the 360. I haven't had an active Gold membership in probably 7 or 8 years now.

i would accept/ pay $15, but $50 for NSO+ Expansion Pack is unacceptable.

One more thing to add. I know most seem to believe or think the DLC is a factor in the price of the expansion pack. There's a good chance it is. I know it's futile to ask for Nintendo to clarify if it is. But I sort of wish they would. The only reason I don't believe it has an affect on the pricing and is just a tacked on perk, is that they have also made it available to purchase. If your strategy is to get people to subscribe to the NSO and you include downloadable content (from one of your biggest titles), as a perk,that is partly locked behind the subscription, why in the world would you also make it available to buy? That would seem to cut in to that strategy

And look, Nintendo has many faults and shortcomings. I'm not gonna pretend otherwise. But I just don't see them blatantly putting customers in a position where they would be paying for content more than once. Yes, they do it with ports and did it with VC content. But that was across generations. Not ideal, but not as egregious as this would be if this is the case.

I think it's a bit pricey, but I don't understand the hate. I could understand it if this was mandatory to play online, but as it is, you either think it's worth it and pay up, or you think it's not worth it, and you keep your wallet shut. No one needs this extra service.

Good. I'm sticking with my 34.99 family plan until they show better online services.

BREAKING NEWS: Site based around big company is shocked to see people not like something big company is doing

I thought it was pretty overpriced at first, but then I saw it included the Animal Crossing expansion, so that makes it worthwhile for me. Standard NSO+Animal Crossing DLC would be $45, so an extra $5 for N64 games is great. However, it's a pretty crap deal if you're not interested in Animal Crossing, and Nintendo should have offered other free DLC choices.

Hopefully Nintendo will adjust the price or subscription options in the week before the expansion pak launches.

Also I hope Nintendo will still at least consider making a Nintendo 64 Classic Edition.

Thanks for reminding me, down voted and commented. It's the best thing we can do next to boycotting!

It is a pretty ***** deal.

@Don I would love a n64 classic I know it’d probably be costly but at least we’d own the games and have easy access.

@Screen It breaks down to 14 cents a day. Where else are you going to be able to play N64 games against other only? If you don't want the service, fine but I'm tired of people acting like Nintendo is trying to rip them off. It's 14 fricken cents a day.

Typically an "expansion" is cheaper than the base price

It’s simple just no one buy the expansion
We have seen before when gamers vote with their wallet, things get changed or altered.

Bring back Mario 35 you cowards

Well I think that’s a great move. I’m interested to see what the discount is for existing members. Overall it’s just not favorable because if you feel the price is too high but you want the animal crossing dlc then you have to double dip and pay even more. I think they should’ve added n64 and sega to the lineup then announce a yearly dlc subscription. Get all game dlcs for 30 a year across all first party Nintendo games. Put a little icon on the box with the expansion pack symbol on it. I’d be way more hyped about that.

So... Surprised Pikachu meme?

40K people pounding sand. This might be the most outrage per dollar ever generated in the history of gaming. Maybe someday we'll get to the idea that not every purchase option is viable for everyone, and that's alright.

If they have to pay more to Sega and others then suck it up and don't take it out on the fans/customers. The price is too much. I'm happy to not use online and stick with my many wii virtual console games.

meh, who cares? It's just an optional thing, nobody's forcing anyone to pay more. Maybe I'd downvote if this was mandatory, but as it stands Switch is still 1/3 cheaper to play online as compared to a Playstation.

@HIGHscores85 Get yourself the retro fighter ones, far far superior.

If the cost is truly related to paying fee's to Sega as many people are claiming, they why not just give us say......All the gameboy variant systems, you know their own consoles.

I hope they'll make 1 month subscription option as I'm interested in playing few N64 games but definitely not enought to last me a year... or even two months for that matter.

If the price hike is due to Sega licensing issues because they didn't sell well on the Wii then I think that tells you what you need to know about the value of this package? No one is signing up for the Sega games as they can get them for a reasonable one off price. Not everyone wants the AC DLC and once again they can get that for a one off price so basically you are currently paying extra for 9 N64 games which you could buy most of on the Wii U for a little more than the price increase. Once more games are added to the service colour me interested but as it stands I will wait and see.

I'd still rather buy the retro games I want and have cheaper online. I had two 7 day trials to NSO and its not worth it to me as a paid subscription. I'll not be getting this more expensive option either.

I'm just going to approach this by checking in once a year when my base membership is almost up so I can play the games for a month for only a couple more bucks under the pro-rated rules.

I wonder if Nintendo will actually backpedal after all this backlash, though. I could easily see it being a PR tactic where they'll 'lower' the price in a couple weeks to what they originally planned internally and everyone will praise them for their pro-consumer move.

@westman98
Not surprising especially the one you mentioned. It was a slap in the face and it absolutely ruined Splatoon 2 for me.

Add Virtual Boy and Super Gameboy, and I’m in.

Yeaaaaah It’s steep for what it is. Personally I have too many new games to play so I just don’t think I’d get the value out of it. And if I end up wanting the Animal Crossing DLC, I’d rather just buy it outright so I can have it after the online subscription ends, y’know?

A shame they didn’t bring the virtual console to switch. Would’ve much preferred to choose which games I want or buy them one at a time. Kind of hoping this expansion fails so they reevaluate. We’ll see

That's because this generation feels entitled and want it next to free.

If sega is really the problem that its so expensive, then just ditch sega, sega already put their games for free on Playstore, so its insane they ask so much for what is already free. And as for N64 it should be added with the original price. Nintendo did not support Ness and sness enough for me to pay any penny more. For this.

We're all going to buy this Eventually.
Why pretend otherwise.
I know that
You know that.
Nintendo knows it.

Don't fight it, just open up your wallet and pay the price. Complaining doesn't help.

It’s literally $4 a month. That’s less than Apple Arcade. It’s nothing.

Mean while ps plus is give three additional free vr games starting next month

@PhhhCough Well, for one, Xbox has real dedicated servers with good online, they give away new AAA games, not old past generation games, im prettyyyy sure Cloud Saves on xbox are free, Xbox gives discounts, yeah, NSO+Expansion sucks

@Andors That's a very Fanboy perspective, just admit it, a very low percentage of users will go for this, it's a ripoff, it's not worth it, complaining will make a point, they probably won't care (unlike xbox which lowered Gold prices when people complained), but it will most likely show them that this isn't the way to go, they make 60 dollar ports, people buy them and they make more, they make a bad business practice, we boycott and don't support it and hopefully they don't repeat it, or change it, but then again, it's Nintendo and their NSO, unpredictable

The price hikes got me thinking - what will happen when Nintendo finally adds Gamecube and GBA titles to the online subscription service? Are they going to charge a further £18 pounds to grant people access to those titles? That would bring the yearly cost to £54 and would be a similar price to the Xbox Live subscription.

But Nintendo aren't giving those game libraries quality of life HD improvements. They're not giving them makeovers so that those older games look sharper and clearer on modern TV's. They're releasing them 'as is.'

@Darkyoshi98 Pfffft, yeah, blame it on the generation, yeah, it's the generation's fault, but the company president this generation, ever since all of the company changes we've gotten some pretty bad deals, you can't justify this price, it's just shameless

@Ravenmaster That'd be so cool! What's the possibility of it happening though? I really thought the NSO GB leaks would be true, but the chances are looking pretty low now 😭

Why was a whole article made just for talking about dislikes?
People already expressed their thoughts about the online at this point you're just adding fuel to the fire.

@Ristar24 Ya see, this is why we need Virtual Console back

@Darkyoshi98 Don't know what this generation wants but my generation remembers the Virtual Console store. A store where we were able to buy just the retro titles we actually wanted and have them for keeps. Instead of paying a subscription that conditionally grants us access to a bunch of titles we're not necessarily interested in.

@VR32X According to Nintendo logic, that'd cost you an extra £18 per year on top of this new price hike.

Good.
/Grumpycat

@Curbie Virtual Console on the Wii/Wii U offered the best purchase options for everyone. You got to choose the retro games you wanted and skip the garbage ones that don't interest you. The games didn't cost all that much and you got them for keeps.

@Edwirichuu to be honest, they should have released the GBA titles instead of the Megadrive/Genesis ones. We already have the Sega Classics Colleciton in the eShop.

@FredsBodyDouble Yeah I'm with this. Sega games added is ok I suppose, but I wouldn't personally pay more for those

@Xiovanni Same

@Edwirichuu Yep, I'd prefer the VC no doubt. Even if it was there as an alternative option to NSO.

dislike all you want but the fact to the matter is people will still cave in and get it one way or another so i do agree the price is alittle iffy at the moment but im pretty sure they l be adding more stuff to make the price seem reasonable so lets just wait and see how it plays out.

@NotoriousWhiz you can plug it into an RGB cable or buy a converter if you want a certain aspect ration. So in our case he plugged the red yellow white cables in a certain order to Red Green Blue.

I’m getting the family plan so I don’t mind getting this 🤷‍♂️ Splits to around $13 for me so it’s not as much of an expense. That being said I made that choice as a result of the overpriced service. It’s totally valid people are upset but I’m happy with my solution.

Gee, I wonder why? Not that it matters really. Plenty of people will still buy it I'm sure. Whiny fans don't have nearly as much clout that they "think" they have.

@Darkyoshi98 not at all.

While I can't speak for everyone, I think it's more than fair to want Nintendo to be more consistent, when it comes to putting games onto their online service. If they're going to be asking people to pay as much as their competitors (PS+ and X-Box Live), then it's more than reasonable to expect games to be added monthly.

Online + Expansion Pack is such a joke. I hope Nintendo gets their head out of their ass, and actually either provides a better online service, or makes it cheaper. $50 for what's being offered is an absolute scam

@Baybay2k Well look who's talking then, using slurs to make people feel inferior and disrespecting their opinions. Truly childish.

Same price as other services yet they give us free modern games every month. Unlike Nintendo who gives us games that we have played fifty times and have better ways to play in most cases

@ArchRex Apparently he said something to me? What was it

I felt it should of been 40$ but at 50$ I’m still buying cuz I want to play n64 games. People sure love to complain...

@Hero-of-WiiU Well they're complaining because what's being offered isn't worth $50. It's not a matter of cost, but rather if it's worth my money

would be funny if it can get more dislikes then Federation Force trailer and Sword&Shield Treehouse Live event xP

The more I've thought about this, the more annoyed I've gotten. The venn diagram of people still actively playing Animal Crossing and those who dearly want the N64 games probably has a 10% overlap. Tethering the two together is completely ridiculous. Also, they haven't released a heavy hitter on either of the existing NSO apps in a very, very long time. If the last update had added Earthbound and Mr. Gimmick people would maybe be a little more excited to pony up for these in hopes that good games would continue to be added. Just a garbage situation.

@Cosmo_Joe actually nobody says anything about the price ...but more like why there is the AC expansion, why we have to pay 30 dollars more for another 9 games from N64? why there are those Sega Genesis games when nobody has ever asked for them? Ppl has been asking for GBA/GC/N64 games for ages!

Since nothing in the expansion pack really interests me much (at least not for a $30 increase for a single membership), it's a hard pass for me.

If mega drive games licensing actually is a driving factor of the pricing, why include it? Sure it's nice to see, but the main things I (personally) want to play on my nintendo console are nintendo games. They probably could have gone N64 and GC and had a far better reception at a lower price. Or even just N64.
It's too much of a jump for me. But who knows, I'm sure enough people will buy that Nintendo comes out looking like a genius anyways. Things wont change.

i feel like some people on this site assume everyone who uses it is a diehard "go to war for nintendo" type and thus assume anyone going "wow, this is overpriced!" is some sort of nintendo-hating villain or another fanboy going to kowtow for something that is very easy not to buy, it feels like a political cartoon in here sometimes
@QueenZombie Yes, and they will pay once and own that game for life! Crazy stuff here, that people would rather do that than spend $80 a year on something that goes away if they miss a payment.

Didn't Nintendo cut the price of the 3DS because it was not selling well but then there was huge turnover in sales. Same could happen with NSO.

I just hope later they could add PC Engine/ Turbo Grafx games like they did on the Wii and bring out controllers (maybe ones with rails like the NES controllers) for those systems.
Although if they did that we might be in for another price hike.

Oh no! Not dislikes!!

Anyway…

Nintendo does whatever they want. If you don't like it, don't give them your money.

But for real tho, get some castlevania advance collection in your life. Majestic!

Honestly I feel like Nintendo is trying to see what they can get away with like most entertainment companies. Im not getting this because I have access to the whole n64 and sega libraries already. Not gonna shill out more money just to play it on my switch

A lot of dislikes, but less than 10% of all viewers have voted. People who vote are part of the vocal minority, whereas the silent majority (the non-voters) don't care, and will get what they want, and go about their business. They are not fanboys for choosing to pay. They are regular people. This is why even with NSO's launch trailer, it had so many dislikes, yet it goes on to sell millions of subscriptions.

@Gwynbleidd
I hope Nintendo will bring back the VC in some form if bringing it back completely is too much to ask. At least put the original GBA Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire on the eShop as a download and some of the most popular GBA and Gamecube classics. I know there’s Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire but I and others who missed out on the GBA original want to experience the games in the original form like many who downloaded Pokémon R/B/Y and G/S/C on the VC. VC was pretty good, I don’t understand why they stopped it. At least with VC they had a consistent release schedule instead of unpredictable meager drip feed release of retro classics on the Switch online.

Just get a series X and emulate N64 games on it. That's what I've been doing. I've been playing Wii,N64, GameCube and Super Nintendo games on it like crazy in the past few months, trying to get Wii U games to work but only the ones you can't buy anymore since that'll be praicty

I for one hope Nintendo have enough humility to come out and adjust the price out of good faith. It would go a long way to restoring consumer confidence in the big N.

@QueenZombie yeah - a game that you pay full price to actually OWN.

No thanks .. i really wanted to play Nintendo 64 games since i missed out on the 64 in the day but just too much money for that so in less you drop the price it's a pass

Well, Nintendo, if you don't like our negative feedback, then give us what we actually want. Otherwise, we'll keep clicking the dislike button and tweeting #NoPaySwitchOnline.

You know what's crazy? If they offered a $5 a month plan for the same service, I would think it was an amazing deal. Even though I'd be paying $10 more.

Honestly, I feel like the content offered isn't worth the price for the N64/Sega bundle, but I will be getting the DLC for ACNH. Thankfully I can get that separate.

@MrFox - "124 SNES/NES Games + Online: $20

20 odd N64/Genesis Games + DLC
for a game not everybody owns: an EXTRA $30"

To be fair, most of those NES/SNES games weren't available at launch (I think only 20-30 NES games were packaged initially).
Plus, from what I've seen, the US pricing for the expansion seems to be worse than other regions: here, the base sub was $30(AUD), yet the expansion was still $30 more, thus only doubling the rate, and other regions seem to follow the same idea of only doubling the base sub for the expansion.
On the other hand though, the base sub also included cloud saves and misc. add-ons (such as Tetris/Pac-Man 99) in addition to the stuff you mentioned.

So, tl;dr, comparing launch to launch, it was more like:
Base Sub: 20 NES games + Online + Cloud Saves + Misc. Deals = $20
Expansion Pass: 9 N64 games, 14 Sega Genesis/MD games, AC DLC = Double Base Sub (+$10 in the US for some reason).

And as we've seen, this is set to grow in the coming months.

On the one hand, I feel this is a bit of an exaggerated response. Sure, the Expansion Pass pricing isn't great, but I wouldn't call it a 'rip-off' or extremely overpriced.
On the other hand, if the reasoning for a large portion of the price increase is paying royalties to Sega, then I've gotta wonder why they bothered including them to begin with?

I’ll be getting it, looking forward to N64 games over wifi

@LUIGITORNADO "but what about the people who don’t have AC? Waste of god damn money."

Not really a waste of money Happy Home Paradise is free with the Expansion Pack

GOOD. MAYBE NINTENDO WILL CATCH THE HINT AND CHANGE IT TO A MORE REASONABLE PRICE OF ONLY LIKE $5 EXTRA. for ROMs that have been free for decades.

Yeah it’s fine. I don’t have a problem with it. More will be added later. $4 a month is nothing

Not sorry. Total ripoff. No plans to buy animal crossing. SEPERATE THE PACKAGE NINTENDO.

A lot of people seem to forget that for $20, all you were getting was an online service that was originally free to begin with, some NES games, a save data cloud service, and the ability to buy NES controllers. Since then they have added Tetris 99, Super Mario Bros. 35, Pac-Man 99, Super Kirby Clash, and SNES games/controllers. I'm sure in less than a year, Nintendo will introduce other incentives to purchase the expansion pack, but until then, this will be a good deal if you have a family plan and some buddies to split the cost with.

Personally,there's just nowhere near enough content to justify that price point. Given how they drip feed everything, I won't be paying at all this generation and will simply wait for the successor to see how they handle it then. I'm THAT pessimistic.

The Animal Crossing DLC feels tacked on.

@LUIGITORNADO Couldn't agree more. In my case I do care about Animal Crossing but its's a much better alternative to just get the DLC instead of paying for this expansion that doesn't even give it to you at some point. While would I pay so much to rent a small backlog of really old games and a $25 DLC?

Honestly I'm tired with the asian infatuation that the world is currently having. Yes, there's tons of stuff that I like about them but acting like they can't do no wrong is really stupid.

Tbh I don’t care for any of the online services. I have ps plus but I haven’t been using my PlayStation at all lately and mostly use it to play souls titles. They offer free games but most of it is not my taste. Right now it’s Mortal Kombat and some shooting game and some sports game. When it’s not those genres then it’s some bloated theatrical game I’m not into. So I really haven’t downloaded many if any. I like Nintendo genres much more but I do want to see if they drop more games first. I love the added online function but not everyone irl I know really wants to play older games or the same older games. I will play the Animal Crossing DLC tho so it’s a debate. I do play the snes game so I can see myself playing the old games on my own too. I just wish you could keep them once the service ended. Such a shame. Also I wish they wouldn’t drip feed the games!

If the online infrastructure was as good as Xbox-Live.. On-system Voice chat, Group Voice chat, unified invite system, servers and etc. I'd p probably pull the trigger... but it's a mess and not worth the price.. Sorry Nintendo, but I don't support you on this.

@luxoricious It won’t, Nintendo is pretty reliable with sticking to what they say they’re going to so

No worries! Just upload the video over and over again, right Nintendo?!

Internet meltdowns happen all the time.

@PhhhCough I pay $10 extra with PS+ or Xbox Gamepass Ultimate and get more reliable online functionality as well as social features like party chat without having to go to an app on a smartphone.

Personally for the price that they want with the expansion pack they better improve online functionality before I buy it. $20 a year is one thing when I mostly use it for cloud saves, $60+ a year just for a few retro games that they rarely add to on top of mediocre online connectivity is pushing it.

@AugustusOxy I used voice chat all the time on Xbox, and I still do on PlayStation.

In fact, playing Risk of Rain 2 and multiplayer in DOOM 2016 is a pain in the ass without voice chat on Switch. If your playing a coop game not having voice chat turns the session into a nightmare or just kills it outright.

@CodyMKW it IS a waste. I don't have Animal Crossing, don't care for it. Not paying for an expansion I'm not gonna use either

Don't care. As long as I get my classic games and my DLC for New Horizons, I'll be happy. Not everyone had a chance to play a Sega or a N64 so I'm betting that there will be plenty of people that is willing to shell out the additional money.

@QueenZombie it's not necessarily what a person can afford, its what you get vs. what you pay for it. For $120/year Gamepass Ultimate is actually a sweet deal, as you not only get the Xbox side of it but you also get it on PC. For $60/year PS+ is a little bit behind but you still get around 3 free games a month as well as cloud saves and more reliable online play.

Nintendo on the other hand drip feeds the older games (1 or 2 a month is great, 1 or 2 every 6 months is a hell no), has a mediocre online connection that drops you 7 times outta 10 and relies on a phone app to talk, and even THAT is limited to 2 or 3 games. For $50? ***** no.

I don't really see the problem here. Maybe if it was 40 euro's per month, I could see why people are so angry or disappointed about this, but it's 40 euro's a YEAR. That's nothing! I spend more on one pair of pants or weekly groceries. I don't really see why people are this angry about it 🤷‍♂️

@QueenZombie pay $60 and be able to play a game basically whenever? I'll take that.
Pay $80 and not be able to play because I missed a payment due to my boss not being able to pay me that exact week? Screw that.

Also, there a beauty in owning a physical cartridge or disc for the games you want to keep... at least if it gets to where you can't re-download a game you can still play it in some capacity, so what did you say about paying $60 upfront for a game?

@Linkhyaah25 because for around the same yearly price we can go over to the PS4 or Xbox One and have better online connectivity as well as other features the Switch is missing.

@luxoricious Nintendo knew absolutely that it would get massive amounts of dislikes from the community.

They went with it anyway. Due to expensive licensing and because they know that people will get it anyway.

I’ve debated on this for a week, and landed at opting to get the expanded service as a family plan. I’m not really interested in the Genesis games or N64 titles currently - I’ve still got OoT and MM on 3DS, and I’ve got the Mario 3D collection on switch, so there went mostly everything n64 wise I was interested in. And I never was a major Genesis fan, only owned the system for better ports of Mortal Kombat, NBA Jam CE, General Chaos, and a Terminator game.

That said, as a family pack that includes the AC Dlc, it’s a better value than buying the AC DLC x2, which would be the case in my family as the wife and I both have AC and Switches. So upgrading the the family pack to expanded family = $45 extra, where AC dlc x2 would be $50…. So $5 less, plus my whole family gets access to any n64 and Genesis titles current and future…. And also, if I get the eldest a Switch and AC for x-mas, that’s another $25 saved….

So for some of us, it’s not the best of options, but a better option than others.

I will say, pound for pound, dollar for dollar, nothing is beating Game Pass Ultimate currently, and if I had more time to game, I would be playing on it way more often than NSO stuff. But currently my game time is limited to about 1-2 hours a day, and that’s invested in Diablo 2 and Disco Elysium.

Anyways, just wanted to add this here incase any other families were on the fence about the upgrade. If ya own ACx2 or more, and multiple switches, it’s a no brainer for cost value…

I just paid 34.99 and then they want to double up. Then there are expansion packs along with games on phone.
To rich for my blood, I understand they were being reasonable in fees, but support on some games is not very good.
This is not a necessity, it’s fun, but hopefully can be done for less.

NSO was a garbage service before the Expansion Pack. Nintensimps would excuse its lackluster offerings by saying its price was a fraction of its competitors and shouldn't be held to the standards set by them.

That's no longer the case. Very soon, the majority of us here will be paying only $10 less than we would/are with Sony/MS, and all we'll have to show for it are a handful of admittedly good games from 20-30 years ago drip-fed to us over the course of the Switch's lifespan and an online service whose servers are maintained by hamsters running on wheels. That's $50 a year for a service that refuses to adopt any mainstream forms of communication between users or let Switch owners browse the web. It's absolute *****, and we should be outraged!

Anyway, I can't wait to sign up for the Expansion Pack ASAP and play some N64 games online for 20 mins before never touching them again.

@Dm9982 You know why Gamepass is a better deal?

I'll explain.:
1. It's partly still in beta.
2. XBOX currently is third based on console and game sales.
3. It's based on Microsoft's own Azure backbone.
4. XBOX does not make Microsoft any profit. (Never did either)
5. Most games on the service are by Microsoft or Microsoft owned developers.
6. Third party games usually leave the service after a year.
7. It improves gaming on Windows and keeps a lot of people from moving to primary Linux or macOS.

Where as Nintendo only sells games and gaming hardware. For them the revenue from selling online subscriptions is needed. Because they actually need to make a profit.

MS and Sony have been typically willing to turn tail after a blunder, but I doubt Nintendo is that self-aware. They'll stick with $50 and fleece the suckers.

I truly want to be able to play Mario tennis 64 online with my friends. Dunno how I feel.

On my end it's not the price so much as what you score for it.
This model suggests we can expect a 30 buck per year tier in the US any time two more classic console channels are added. The DLC is a hoot for folks who own the game, but people like me who do not may struggle justifying the purchase.
On the bright side, I really dig the new bluetooth controllers. If you have a legit Genesis and one of those little 8BitDo receivers, this should work with it. Same with the N64 pad if they craft a dongle for that system.
I wish they'd offered separate tier purchases, as I would have gladly just added the N64 offerings.

@Dm9982
You do realize you lose the AC DLC if your sub lapses right? You’d be better off buying the dlc outright if that’s what you want out of it.

Given the price for the year, it can only be considered a fair price if you are itching for the ACNH DLC. Since there is a 30$ difference between the current offer and the new offer, the AC DLC almost makes up that whole price difference. But that is only a fair deal for one year of payment.

@sanderev oh no, I know all that, mostly at least, already. Was just a statement. And GPU is largely extremely awesome right now for the sheer fact it came with my Series X. I went the route of All Access through Target to acquire my Series X, and I knew after getting the system I wouldn’t be able to afford any extra games for awhile. Mostly got the Series X to be able to access my old backlog of 360 and Xbox One games I hadn’t played in awhile. I own all the Fables, Fallouts, Witcher 3, Oblivion, Skyrim, etc digital on Live as well as their dlc. But I traded my XB1 within 7 months cause it was incredibly slow compared to my PS4. So having GPU included with my Series X was an amazing deal.

Edit - Also to be fair, GPU is probably largely wasted on me as I primarily download and test some indies that I usually have wishlisted on Switch already, and access to a few MS Studio titles or EA Play titles like Dragon Age / Mass Effect stuff. I’m not a huge racing fan, and I burned out on Gears series at Gears 3, and I’m not a FPS fan - only enjoy Doom and Borderlands there, and I guess Fallout counts too… but I still can’t argue it’s value overall. As someone who use to buy and trade games a ton, GPU makes more sense as it’s largely the same games I woulda bought and played for a week or two then traded off.

@GameOtaku Yeah and that’s why I debated it. But after Nintendo announced that you’d basically be able to keep anything you made with the dlc, just not access the ability to make it any more (the island) if your service expired it really made it like you weren’t really loosing much. Plus, I have a feeling this will open the door for more “free dlc” access or early access to dlc. Something like bonus Dread levels or modes…. I mean, there’s only about 0.1% chance that the service stays the same or gets worse over time, and 99.9% chance that they’ll add and improve upon it. So the way I looked at it, $50 for AC DLCx2, or $45 for AC DLCx2 + the extra stuff present and future. And while I have 2 switches currently, I have 4 accounts for my family total, so the family pass plus averages out a lot better than just two dlc packs in the long run.

Edit 2 - Also should mention, the +$45 I speak of is the prorated price for existing members of the family
Plan, which I already am. Normal NSO family is $35, NSO+ Family is $80, so $45 more a year. Or $3.75 extra a month, not a big deal.

@Tandy255 It's £17 over here. That's £1.41 a month. That's the equivalent of buying James Pond from Argos and buying a Starbucks on the way home. Once. In the whole year. I know which one sounds like a better deal to me 😁

I might change my mind if they slapped on access to all DLCs…

Oh no! The price has gone from less that 2 bucks a month to less than 5 bucks a month! My poor wallet!

Well, everyone crying for a "virtual console", those games are $10 each. Let's see if we can find an annual $30 of value...

Sega Genesis, new to the Switch:

• MUSHA
• Ecco the Dolphin
• Strider

Well...that was easy. Add to that, 16 N64 games, including the #1 best Japan-exclusive N64 game of all, Sin and Punishment, best game of all-time Ocarina and you've got plenty of value. Not to mention, this library will grow, and grow, and grow monthly or thereabouts, for a long while...

I really don't see an issue with the price. Its a couple of £/$ a month, if you look at it weekly it's crazy cheap. I'm sure most people moaning pay for things like Netflix, Amazon Prime, Sky etc. No one is forcing you to buy this.

54 thousand now, sorry but I want the expansion without the Animal Crossing crap that I will not use, as you can get the dlc seperately, why cant you get the expansion without it, that would cut it down for us who dont care about Animal Crossing.

Yeah it's too high but I wasn't gonna upgrade anyways. I highly doubt that Nintendo will lower the price though, some dislikes on a video will not impact their decisions, enough people will still pay the full price.

@Bunkerneath I think the AC DLC is actually a $0/€0 offer with the expansion pass. Just to soften the price of the N64 / Genesis games. So removing the DLC would not change the price.

'Gamers' are one of the most fickle consumer groups, wait until Nintendo add to it some more games, as they have promised, and all of a sudden it will be 'how it should have been at release'

@Specter_of-the_OLED

Cloud Saves and Online Play is included in Stores as Steam and Gog, it is financed through the 30% they took from the Publishers.

So Nintendo tooks not only the Fee from the Publishers, they also took Money from the Clients to have what you have elswhere for free as a Customer.

They can do it as the Switch sells so good, they're in a nice Position.

Edit:
To everyone else being upset, just vote with your Wallet, don't get it.

Then don’t buy it. Your non-purchase is your vote. Then go get worked up about something else non-consequential.

Feh. I'll just strap my CRT, N64, generator and carrying case to my back.

@Oberzilla exactly!

Paying monthly for this would work so much better for me.

They could lower the price, but... wouldn't it be easier to just not do it and take the unpopular thing away?

Those dislikes were earned.

And as for all the people going "we're all going to buy this anyways"...nope. I'll happily continue to use Project64 and my Sega Genesis Mini to get my fix.

Sorry but I can't wait for the expansion and think it's a fabulous idea
I wish it was being released earlier as the 5th November seems so far away.

£3 a month (when broken down) really isn't that bad for what we're getting. It really is crying over nothing in the grand scheme. But there's this online minority of Nintendo "fans" that wish to scream out about anything nowadays... Amiibo's, remasters, cost... that thankfully don't represent that greater majority.

@Teacupunicorn Expansion Pack will launch sooner, it's just the Animal Crossing DLC will be added a couple of weeks later.

Well one year single-person sub is cheaper than the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive Mini, which only included (40) Genesis games, while Nintendo is also including N64 games.

So ... good deal, right? ;-/

Though I guess the Sega Genesis Classics collection for Switch includes 50 games, is cheaper still, and doesn't expire after a year, though it still doesn't include any N64 games obviously...

Hold on it's £35 a year, offers oine play and a vast ammount of classic titles to play from the NES, SNES N64 and Mega Drive and this is a bad thing?

People will pay £120+ per year for game pass or £60 a year for PS+ which offers basically the same kind if thing or less but they are happy with that

People are odd

@blecch and has terrible emulation

£35 a year is really a drop in the bucket for a hobby like gaming IMO.

Sure, it's a little more money than I expected. But I don't think it's outrageous.

@Bustacap I haven't played the Genesis Mini and it seems to be hard to find at MSRP, but it got good reviews. Unfortunately it also comes with the 3-button controllers though I think you can get a (licensed?) 6-button controller for it.

For 50.00 or 80.00 a year they should throw in one of the N64 and one of the Sega controllers…….that might change a few minds. How about improve the servers? Maybe a native chat system? How about not bending people over and taking away half the paid ACNH DLC if they don’t stay subscribers. Nintendo…….. You’re F ing up bud, fix your *****.

@blecch im talking about the genesis collection on switch

I mean, I can easily afford it. But I think the price is too high for this. I don’t get the Animal Crossing thing, not everyone play this game. It’s weird… the retro catalog makes more sense but the price is too steep. For that price they should give us some more general features. Perhaps allowing us to permanently buy the retro games we want to keep and give us discounts on Switch games.
Perhaps give us access to some new social feature.. They should really have a look at what Sony and Microsoft offer their customers.

Sega Genesis Classics is cheaper when it's on sale and has a ton of games. That's a better deal. As for the N64 games. As good as they might of been back in the day, they are dated and shouldn't be a big fuss to put it on the NSO. If it were GameCube games I might understand the pricing, not that I would get it anyways.

@PizzaCat its not a better deal. it has terrible emulation

I'm sure there has to be something extra that they can offer for the price, if they are unable or unwilling to reduce that (talk of Sega and others' licensing fees suggested one possible reason). The Animal Crossing thing seems like a desperate attempt to do just that but it is not really sufficiently valuable and is no use at all to many.

I don't suppose they would want to get into something like discounts on eShop purchases but even just a relatively token gesture like double gold points for subscribers would be better than nothing (which would also encourage additional purchases, so Nintendo wins as well).

@sanderev yes, but as you can pay for the AC dlc separately you should therefore be able to take that off the price of the expansion. It's not free.

@Bentendo1609
Oh yeah I realise that I just meant in general waiting for any of the content till the 5th November seems so far away lol
Ty though xx

@Gwynbleidd
I didn't just join for that reason at all I joined for many different reasons I don't only play AC I play many different games x

these games are a bunch of leftovers

they should charge couch change

The price is not to high, for 50 bucks you get the regular online is still 20 bucks, the animal crossing dlc is 25 bucks and you are only paying 5 bucks for the sega n64 games, stop your whining cry babies, if you don't like it don't buy it. 5 bucks for n64 and sega games is a great deal period.

People's need to realize to have better service will cost more.not to mention it cost money for what Nintendo is doing.neway I'm upgrading not going to whin about facts of life

“If you don’t buy it they will be forced to lower the price”

Nintendo doesn’t work that way.

@PizzaCat sound butthurt you do...those sega collection you speak of..you can't play online with your friends

Normally I just suck it up and pay the Nintendo premium for things like this because I’m an adult with a job and the amount of money isn’t huge, but this time it’s about the principal. Perhaps if they had been more aggressive with the release schedule for NES and SNES or maybe if it didn’t take 4 years to add bluetooth headset support I’d trust that this service would eventually be worth it. Nintendo just does not change their products and services enough within a reasonable time frame. Worst of all it lowers expectations post reveal. Meaning the first version of a product or service is extremely close to what the final product will be even after years of updates. Oh well.

@FullbringIchigo comparing what Nintendo is offering to Gamepass is laughable. The Gamepass library has a huge amount of content. Modern releases from third party developers available at launch and all first party titles, including Forza, Halo, Back 4 Blood. When Starfield launches next year, it will be on the service day one for no extra cost. That would be like Splattoon and Breath of the Wild 2 being available at launch.
Most of what Nintendo offers can be emulated in a web browser.

@Bentendo1609 Online "minority"? The announcement video for this expansion got massively ratioed. You should check the dictionary definitions of "minority" and "majority" before you use those terms again.

@WhiteUmbrella the number of people who watch Directs, compared to the millions of unit owners, is a minority. Therefore, the people who downvote a YouTube video, is a minority in comparison to the greater audience out there playing on their Switches. Just like the minority of users who complained about the Skyward Sword Amiibo, had no impact on how well the Amiibo sold.

@Bentendo1609 You're commenting on this story on Nintendolife, that also puts you in a minority. Does this mean that you shouldn't air your views, or that your views shouldn't be considered to have meaning or validity?

@EriXz it’s Mccree from overwatch.

@Bunkerneath The DLC isn't included in the expansion. Just access to the DLC.
NSO + expansion is 40 euro / year
NSO is 20 euro / year
AC DLC is 25 euro

So there wouldn't be a way to reduce the expansion pack with the price of the DLC, since that would be a -5 difference from the base NSO.

So I said the addition of AC DLC is €0/$0 in the price of the expansion. Maybe it's €5/$5, but it can't be higher than that.

It’s a poor offering but I don’t see Nintendo admitting that by lowering the price.

I love Nintendo games but Nintendo is 90% of the time super baffling and annoying.

@Aiodensghost not a waste but ok keep thinking that bub

@Don Yep & its 100% worth it!

I've said it in another article, I say it again. This pricing made me reevaluate how frequent I use the NSO offer as is, and thus let my NSO subscription lapse once it runs out by the end of the year.

I will gladly renew if they bring titles I would love to play online like a new F-Zero (and no, X online does not cut it)...

This new Expansion Pack does nothing for me, especially since I have no interest in Animal Crossing. For a reasonable price I would have loved to tinker (again) with some N64 games, but alas...

Later in my life, I've been one to keep things legit and legal, so I frowned on emulators, ROMs, etc, (unless you had rights to it, of course). But ever since Nintendo decided to turn Virtual Console into a subscription service with barely any offerings, it's pretty much solidified my decision to just buy some flash carts so I can play what I want without a perpetual fee.

I don't think it is too high, but then that's all relative, isn't it?

@WhiteUmbrella it means my views are as important as others on here, but it will have just as little significance to the greater majority I agree.

It's at 57k dislikes now. That's up 5k from two hours ago. Lol

I think we would be better to wait and see what Nintendo’s reaction to the sales figures cause a few dislikes on a video isn't going to change anything

For me there is no problem with the price, if you factor the AC DLC would cost so much, and then separately add the price for online subscription PLUS then I think it works out. But if you are not interested in both then it just doesn’t work. I mean I am a dumb Nintendo fan who would usual buy into this immediately but I am still questioning it.

Another problem I have is about the dlc, I mean I think all the free things they are adding are some of missing parts needed to give that live it seemed to be missing. But I didn’t buy happy home designer because I decided I didn’t like that enough. So I don’t really even want that part anyway and further putting me off buying into the whole package.

Separate it Nintendo!

I have animal crossing but I'm really not interested in the paid dlc as I'm not into the decorating that much. I don't care about Sega games either so paying extra $30 just for a few select N64 games is not great. They'd have to make it its own package for me to pay for anything.

Echoing some opinions expressed already, but the price would be more palatable if Nintendo had details on future releases. Personally, I’ll pay because I want to play the 64 games and have the extra funds to afford the convenience, but I fully recognize that the price increase is a jump for some, especially without the aforementioned promise of regularly scheduled releases.

The sporadic updates to the NES and SNES libraries are easier to handle at the moment because of the price, although I do think they need to balance the garbage a bit. The recent DK+random title release worked for me, but I also like exploring kinda janky old games. There is a narrow field of appreciation for that sort of thing though.

Remember youtube comments are seldom representative of the actual majority in real life. Also keep in mind by refusing to buy the expansion people could end up sending the wrong message to Nintendo that no one is interested in their legacy content which would likely result in them investing less in their service or not at all anymore

@NotoriousWhiz Achievements lead to ego boosts. If you get more, you get a swelled head. And Nintendo doesn't want to have sexual predators attract attention on the Voice chat. Remember, they're not a multimedia company, like Sony is, or like how Microsoft is.

And remember, music rights are what's keeping EarthBound, EarthBound Beginnings and Mother 3 from being released as a Limited Time Bundle with a Physical box and a Digital Code. They should just say it: EarthBound Collection, Featuring Ness and Lucas from Super Smash Bros.

@Bentendo1609 Whether or not the commenters are in a "vocal minority" is irrelevant, regardless of whether the commentary is positive or negative. Since you're here on Nintendolife, I'm going to presume that you read some of the articles here, and further that you don't read the opinions of the writers solely on the basis that you believe that the views expressed here are those of the majority. Rather, you read them because their views carry weight, just as the views of commenters also carry weight, weight that is engendered by the proportion of positive vs negative commentary. While not everyone in the whole world is going to express an opinion on absolutely everything, I think it's a reasonable assumption that the divide between positivity and negativity in the commentary will roughly be an effective barometer of the overall view of the community to which the issue is relevant.
To wit: the negative bias in the response to the expansion pack announcement absolutely does reflect a majority negative opinion, one that Nintendo would do well to listen to.
While you wish to claim that these negative opinions can't and won't change anything, two recent examples of a backlash within the gaming community actually changing something are Sony reversing the shuttering of the PS3 and Vita stores, and Microsoft reversing the decision to double the cost of xbox live gold.
So, perhaps you mean to criticise Nintendo for not listening?

Instead of wasting time defending every poor decision that Nintendo makes, maybe you should actually consider adding your voice to the criticism. If you are a fan of the company, you should consider that Nintendo improving their online infrastructure rather than milking their customer base further might actually be good for the platform. For those that prefer physical games and don't even bother with the "free" games on rival services, this new addition adds nothing, and reinforces the idea that the base service will never be improved and will never have a proper friend list, messaging, integrated voice chat, a trophy/achievement system or dedicated servers. Their online would be poor compared to the original xbox never mind the standard of today.

I already own a sega genesis mini, nes mini, snes mini and super mario 3d all stars. The only NSO game that interests me is F-Zero X, wich I would be willing to play for 10$ a year. So no, not signing up for this.

It´s not worthy it, specially if someone´s in interested only on the Animal Crossing DLC, because if you get that DLC by the Online Expansion Pack, it will only be available to play if you keep your subscription active.
It´s way better just to buy the DLC aside, instead of having it tied to the subscription. It´s way cheaper too.

@PhhhCough
1. Online services alone, NSO is poorly built, has next to zero features, no party features, no achievements, everything in it is the literal least Nintendo could offer
2. The "free games" Nintendo gives us is the same Mario and Zelda games they've sold to us at least a dozen times in the past 20 years before NSO - plus, unless your game has Mario, Zelda, Kirby, or Metroid in the title, the majority of the games they gave us are pretty bottom of the barrel.
3. These "free games" are also NOT available to be bought separately. So if all you want is to play Mario 3, you can't even buy it for $10 - you have to pay monthly forever to be able to keep playing it. Less of a "free game", and more of a "hostage situation"
4. Numbers. Xbox gives about two free games every month, right? Just how many great SNES, N64, and Genesis games were there? We could have all the gems in barely a year - and then what? Maybe Nintendo will offer more things with it someday, but as it stands, it's an incredibly weak and shallow offering compared to both XBG and PS+

@Cosmo_Joe

" literally 99% of the negative comments are about the price 😂. Also the Mega Drive is my favourite console so I'm Hyped and definitely have wanted Sega games on switch like we had on Wii. Plus the AC DLC being included is perfect for me as I was going to buy it anyway!"

And there are ton of people that pay for the access of the AC DLC to access the N64 or Genesis part, without having AC. i.e. me. I am not remotely interested and a big flabberghaster. I assume Nintendo just wanted to sweeten the pot, but it feels offputting to get it in the bag and probably thus bumping up the service costs.

"And 9 N64 games NINE ! back in the day N64 games went for like £70 so that's £630 worth of content straight away, let alone the amount they will be adding later. All I can think is all these complainers must be people who weren't alive / werent playing these consoles in the 90s."

Poor comparison as price for some titles degradeded, especially if you can get some on Wii / Wii U for a fraction of the price you told. Heck, I even can get now a N64 for the fraction of the price. Same for Genesis, some of the games are offered for a fracton of the price when they have been released. Furthermore this is just a rental service as long as the subscription is being paid for (annually) and as long as the subscription exists.

Some people probably have played the titles and search for a legit way to play on a current console. Some are flabberghasted that they might have already paid for games (Sega Genesis Collection) and now it is included and bumping up the price.

"Also there seems to be a whole generation of "I want this, i demand this, you must do as i say, my opinion is fact" pretty scary that these are going to be the people running the show when my generation is in retirement 😐"

I think blaming this on a generation is disingenuous, nobody probably expect this for free, but companies tout always "the way you want" model, and other services that compete with Nintendo provide better options so far, so yeah, expecting a better pricing is not unwarranted.

@PhhhCough but does NSO offer cloud games for all of their games and do they have dedicated servers?

@Lemmy_the_Koopa thank you for taking the words right out of my mouth, the price comparison they were making is so disingenuous its insulting

@nhSnork @nhSnork Get out of here with your My Little Pony pfp

Added another to the now 60k dislike pile. Meanwhile they've gotten one whole thousand more likes in the time to get 20k dislikes..lol

Now if the rest of you would vote with your wallet and say no to renting 30 year old games for outrageous prices, they MIGHT get the hint.

I wonder if Metacritic says overwhelming dislike about it.

@PizzaNuggetz why?😄 This place has already got Nintendo fans and Sonic fans here, surely it can handle a representative of another infamously militant and egocentric fandom.😏

@Cosmo_Joe I think that is the deal here, actually I am lapsing my complete NSO, as I noticed that I barely use the online portion and just checked into some SNES games out of curiosity.

Also who are you to tell people how they should behave? I could very well say, if you don't like the comments, don't read them and don't engage, but let's be real here, this and youtube is a social platform with a comment section that let you comment on things an if people are using them to announce a boycott (though let's also be real how much potency this really has) oh well...

Frankly, I still consider it to be 'cheap' overall - we're simply used to an already extremely cheap NSO. It's going from $24.99 CAD to $63.99 CAD. That IS a large jump, but it's still cheap for a YEARLY subscription.

@MontyCircus
But you don’t lose access to them if you outright purchase them. The service over time is going to end up costing more than individual vc purchases.

@YoshiAngemon The mental gymnastics you had to perform to try and justify their lack of services is hilarious 😂🤣😆

I think I could swallow the price if there was a roadmap. They hinted at some great games coming, but when? And how often? I know PS Plus gets new games monthly, without fail. What will the cadence be with NSO? Because the NES/SNES offerings have been a disappointing trickle. If you want premium pay for your service, I want premium content scheduling. Promise me a new N64 game per month and tell me new systems will be added yearly and I'll feel a lot better about it.

Some perspective, the video has 65K dislikes. The hardware sales for Switch are 89.04 million sales. The number of dislikes are from 0.073000898472597% of Switch owners.

I am really upset about the price of the expansion pack. More like disappointed with the lack of good games on the service as a whole. There are plenty of good games that could be added like the earthbound series but they give us obscure Japanese game that just aren't fun. They seriously need to do better

@Trikeboy I don't understand the implication. It's been mentioned a few times on this thread, but is the line of thinking that all the other Switch owners don't care//would purchase the pass because they haven't explicitly expressed displeasure?

I realize this isn't an actual research-gathering poll, but it seems like you'd be able to discount anything with this line of thinking, even if the "sample size" is pretty high.

It needs way more, they are asking far too much for what is provided.

@Linkhyaah25 They are price gouging in North America though, it is not worth it here.

@PhhhCough The difference is that Microsoft offers free monthly games from a modern library and they also provide dedicated servers for online play. Switch online simply connects peer to peer, so you're paying for something that anyone could do with a direct connection, which limits speed and connectivity options, plus the games they're offering are 20 to 30 years old, being emulated and can be played in a dozen other ways.

@PhhhCough the games are ancient.

Over priced is my thoughts on the new tier. Let me buy dlc for games I want too. Don't rope them into the costs.

If they offered a monthly price, like five to ten a month? Yeah I'd dig this. But forcing you into a yearly subscription? Just ask Sirius and Amazon Prime how that worked out. Sorry Nintendo but laughs in emulator

@GameOtaku "But you don’t lose access to them if you outright purchase them. The service over time is going to end up costing more than individual vc purchases."

That's just not true. $30 a year for dozens of great games is an incredible value. If you had to buy them individually it would be hundreds of dollars.

And when "Switch 2 Pro" comes out, and they have a new "Switch 2 Pro Online" service that you can simply switch from the old console to the new console, no one will be saying:

"I have to buy Ocarina AGAIN?!?! No thanks Fraudtendo!"

@MontyCircus
The service is $50 a year. And if Nintendo implements it correctly with their account system that’s in place now our purchases should be easily transferable.

N64 games and stop... it's not worth the price requested, I'm a huge Nintendo fan but I'll pass this time

@Gwynbleidd
Very true. While there are many games I want to try out I don’t want all of them. I’m sure many are neglecting the sports titles but that’s not to say everyone does. I’d be excited to play Jekyll and Hyde on VC but I know I’m going to be in the minority but if they tailored to just me it would be a very niche collection.

Add something of value like voice chat, player Matching, multiplayer servers etc. If you want to charge what other companies charge for online at least offer some same service. No reason in this day and age not to have good online. You can not just offer a few rentals.

Honestly if it was a pay to buy system, where I own the ooooold games I reclaim while I'm subscribed (like stadia), I think it would make sense. But this seems, no, actually is a cash grab.

Definitely incredibly overpriced for what you get. You get some old games that you can't keep. Woo hoo. Other services at least offer new games as their freebies. I could maybe see a $10 increase in price but $30 is insane. I already own the genesis collection and the Konami collections with contra and castlevania so the genesis games don't offer anything.

I really can't imagine many people buying this.

Nintendo is surely good at igniting short-lived debates.

@Gwynbleidd "NOBODY - GIVES - A - DAMN - OF - GETTING - OR - PLAYING - ALL - THE - 20+ - YEARS - OLD - GAMES - PRESENT - IN - NSO"

I bought my Switch for the NSO. All the modern games are just the cherry on top of my nostalgia sundae.

@Gwynbleidd

Respect the classics kids.

@WhiteUmbrella well i never said anything about the age or quality of the games all i said was both do the same thing, pay a sub and play games

But i also mentioned PS+ which is still more expensive per year than this is

Also lets go back to the 360 where you payed £40 a year just to play online

The point i was trying to make is people have paid more for less or similar

@nevillebamshew @nevillebamshew
what about the other 10%?

It is approaching 100k dislikes, winning the infamous title of worst video reveal on Nintendo Youtube channel

@CodyMKW to me it IS a waste. Nintendo needs to do better than they are currently. Right now I only pay $20 a year for cloud saces due to how poorly the online service itself is built.

My experience on Switch Online has been met with frequent disconnects and lackluster multiplayer compared to PS+, and while having access to NES and SNES games is great I can easily work my magic on the cartridges I own and play them via an emulator on any device of my choosing at this point. Then there is that Animal Crossing DLC. I'd be paying for something I wouldn't be using (again, that is a waste) because I don't own Animal Crossing nor even care about owning the game for myself. Heck, I tried Stardew Valley cause I bought it for my sister on PS4 and didn't really care for it.

If I pay for something I intend to get my money's worth, and frankly I wouldn't be doing that if I paid the extra $30 for what amounts to some ROMs I can easily rip off of cartridges I own and a DLC for a game I don't intend on playing anytime soon.

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