MikeLove

@bezerker99

No Mercy had a fantastic create a wrestler among other options, but the core roster was basically garbage (maybe 10-15 cool guys, while Revenge features 30+ big time stars) and the slowdown during multiplayer killed it for me.

Even back then, I played Revenge more than no Mercy because it ran smoother and had a far superior roster.

Wow, I am absolutely shocked by the sales numbers for Bayonetta 2. They are even less than I possibly imagined! This game is a bomb, plain and simple.

Where does Platinum Games go from here? Everything they produce seems to sell like crap.

@kensredemption

a dudebro failed attempt at anti-Nintendo propaganda

@kensredemption

Only the sheeple would allow themselves to be heeded by these false shepherds of gaming

I'm just picking up Bayonetta 2, and that's mainly because I got it on sale for $50 from Amazon. Nothing at all interests me.

^ agree with him.

I also liked how you could shoot guys in the groin and butt and it would show a blood stain.
_{Watch the language please — TBD}

@AK-1138

Mike Love > Brian Wilson

"YouTube Star" is an oxymoron

@TheRealThanos

1) you keep bringing up other consoles dropping backwards campatibility, when it is not a logical comparison to the 'new' 3DS getting games that do not work on the original 3DS hardware. 40 million users will be missing out on new 3DS games that will be unplayable on their current hardware.

Can you name a single console hardware revision or add-on that offered 'improved' games that was successful? The Sega 32X was essentially the 'new' 3DS, and how did that one pan out? There is a reason not many companies have attempted this...

2)Here is a quote that will hopefully end your delusions at old 3DS games will be improved on the 'new' 3DS...

"Nintendo Australia Managing Director Tom Enoki has reconfirmed that games developed for the new Nintendo 3DS will feature both improved gameplay and enhanced visuals. Enoki reiterated that current Nintendo 3DS games won’t look or play any different when played on the new device. Here’s what he had to say.

“You can of course play all previously release Nintendo 3DS titles on New Nintendo 3DS; the gameplay and graphics for these titles will not change by playing them on the new consoles. But we have already started developing new titles where gameplay can be improved and graphics enhanced only from playing on New Nintendo 3DS.”

@Pokefanmum82

The Vita change was only a simple design revision, much like the 3DSXL (but less drastic). It had no advantage over a regular Vita other than a slightly smaller size and 1GB built in memory. Both hardware versions still play the same games.

Same goes for the 360/Slim. Both systems played the EXACT SAME GAMES.

So to compare the Vita slim to a 'new' 3DS is ridiculous. The 'new' 3DS will be able to play games that the original model could not. That's nothing like what the Vita/360 did. Talk about 'flawed logic'.....!

It's more similar to Sega's garbage add-on, 32X. Something that was in between a Genesis and Saturn, but something that wasn't enough of a change to make people want to buy it. I bet this will be the same thing.

@Shambo

Here's what we know....

-The 'new' 3DS comes with another circle pad which is incompatible/useless with most of the 100+ 3DS games already out, and is only functional with a handful of older 3DS games which used the circle pad pro

-it has a slightly better CPU, which does nothing to improve older games, and likely won't improve the systems visuals much on new games (the screen is still the same resolution) either.

-the 3D feature is slightly improved, which isn't much of a selling point since many people don't use the 3D anyway

This 'new' 3DS just sounds like a stop gap between now and whatever the 3DS' true successor will be.

And Nintendo hasn't had much luck selling non-essential hardware add-ons in the past either. The circle pad pro, N64 expansion pak, GBA link cable, wii microphone, etc all flopped because they didn't add much, and weren't utilized enough. If only a few games come out for the 'new' 3DS that people like, is that enough for them to want to pay for a slight upgrade? I doubt it.

3DS 32X would be an ideal name

@Mega719

First Nintendo makes the Wii U, which confuses consumers and makes them think it's an add-on to the Wii, or that Wii U games will be playable on a Wii. Then now they are releasing a 'new' 3DS which is a slight upgrade over the old version, and which will have games that are only playable on it, thus confusing more people.

This 'new' system sounds awful. It's like a 3DS version 1.3 rather than 2.0. It's hardly an upgrade at all.

Hahaha what a load of crap!

If there is one company that is good at confusing customers, it's Nintendo!

@JaxonH

It wasn't an insult, I was just pointing out that you buy 30+ Nintendo titles a year (which you admit to) which is far beyond what the average player does, and you are also a collector. So for you, anything you can buy that has Nintendo characters in it is good, because you want it. Therefore, you saying you don't think this is an bad/odd practice isn't saying much, since you buy such a vast quantity of games. You already buy nearly everything with a Nintendo sticker on it now, so why would you complain that you now have even more to get?

Again, I didn't mean it as an insult. You are a collector so I just felt your opinion on this matter was somewhat subjective.

@JaxonH

Of course it doesn't bother you, because you are a self professed Nintendo fanboy who buys like 30+ Nintendo games a year. Anything Nintendo throws your way you will happily eat up and not question their motives.

I'm not saying that that is a bad thing for you to do, but it does somewhat weaken your argument as you are inherently bias towards Nintendo and their cash grabbing ways.

Putting Nintendo items/characters in a different game was once something that was cool and unique, but now if feels like it's becoming the norm. Sega had the most luck with their Sonic DLC that drew in Nintendo fanboys and got them to buy Last World (who otherwise wouldn't have) and now it seems like other companies are betting that if they sellout their own products and insert Nintendo characters into them, that they too can sell more copies.

What if Disney started putting Iron Man or Darth Vader into every movie they make from now on, just to make more money? I mean ya, it would work, but at what point do you say as a developer 'let's make something people want on our own, instead of relying on a sales boost by borrowing someone elses popular characters and putting them in our game?'

I think it's almost embarrassing that for some people to want to try a 2nd/3rd party game (sonic, MH4, Hyrule Warriors, etc) they first need to see Nintendo characters in it and then they say 'ok this looks awesome! Day one purchase!'

It just makes them look like mindless drones who will fall for any old marketing gimmick. It's especially bad when people who were complaining about Spikey Walls being nothing but a cash grab view this shoehorned Nintendo content (which adds nothing to the game) as something fantastic, even though it's sole purpose is to do nothing but boost sales.

Again, I think it's a stupid move but if Nintendo wants to try to go this route and introduce their characters into all sorts of games just to make money, be my guest. I just don't want to see any of those people here who are excited for this complaining when another developer throws together a crappy $.99 game 'just to make a quick buck' when this is the exact same thing.

@audiobrainiac

I can tell you you have MH4 on pre-order already!

@WaLzgi

If I ask the Apple CEO to put a photo of my face on the back of every iPhone 6 and he agrees to do so, how could anyone reasonable blame me for that? Just because I made a stupid request?

It's all on Apple because they have final say, just as Nintendo does in this situation. They could have said "Nah, a talking dog secretary from a life simulation game doesn't really have anything to do with a game where you kill giant monsters, so we will pass", but they didn't. They should know better. It's their IP. It was their choice.

So far we have seen Sonic, Bayonetta, Monster Hunter, Tekken and Dynasty Warriors all receive Nintendo character skins for no other reason than to harden fanboy nipples and try to sucker them into buying a game they perhaps otherwise wouldn't be interested in.

If this happened once or twice, ok, but now we have three upcoming games (that we know about) that are getting these Nintendo-themed items/characters shoehorned into them for no other reason than to try and squeeze a few extra dollars out of people. It may have been a special bonus at one point, but if they keep doing it at this same rate its going to become very lame quickly.

@conman2012

A) because Capcom would have had to get permission from Nintendo
b) shoehorning Nintendo characters into non-Nintendo games/worlds cheapens their branding and is nothing but a lame attempt to suck Nintendo fans into buying a different product

So yes, it was Nintendo's fault/responsibility to allow Capcom to use the characters. Actually, it was all Nintendo since they have final say on everything and they are the ones who allowed their IP to be used.

@Psyclone

Smash Bros is a Nintendo owed property, and is made by and for Nintendo.

Monster Hunter is owned by Capcom and is made by Capcom and is released on Nintendo and sometimes Sony consoles.

So no, Monster Hunter is not a "Nintendo game". It is a game that is being released on a Nintendo console, that is all. It's creation, development, and history has nothing at all to do with Nintendo or their characters. That's why having Animal Crossing people in MH4 makes absolutely no sense and is just a transparent ploy to suck Nintendo fans into buying it.

I wonder if people who think that having Animal Crossing characters in Monster Hunter is cool are the same that were complaining bitterly that a Mercedes didn't belong in MK8 because "it took you out of the game" and "didn't fit the aesthetics"??

@Kirk

Agreed.

Bayonetta, Dynasty Warriors and now Monster Hunter are all having Nintendo characters shoehorned into those titles just to attract Nintendo fans to those games. I don't know if it is desperation yet, but it is extremely corny and a very transparent move of their part.

I'm looking forward to riding on Yoshi in Devil's Third though

@Jahir

And who cares?

Every hotdog is the same too. Does that mean that there should only be one person in New York City that is allowed to sell them, because every other one is just a knock off and not trying to be something different? Or if you personally don't like hot dogs, is it really necessary to complain about how hotdogs shouldn't be sold, and how people shouldn't want to eat them?

Also, this notion that these cheap games are ruining the eShop is absurd.

Here is a recent list of the top selling eShop titles on the Wii U....

Software
1. Zelda: The Minish Cap
2. Super Mario Bros. 3
3. Super Mario 3D World
4. Zelda: A Link to the Past
5. Kirby Super Star
6. Super Mario Bros. 2
7. Mega Man X
8. Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream
9. Mega Man X2
10. Super Mario World
11. Shovel Knight
12. Zelda: Wind Waker HD
13. Mega Man X3
14. Mega Man 7
15. Cubemen 2
16. EarthBound
17. Super Mario Kart
18. Super Mario Bros.
19. Kid Icarus
20. Teslagrad

Oh wow!! Look at all that shovelware! The Letter has really disrupted the eShop rankings and is preventing people from locating and purchasing the quality titles!! Hopefully when Spikey Walls sales are factored in next week, things don't completely go to hell!

@gage_wolf

My stance is "If someone wants to make this game, and someone wants to buy it, who cares?"

Your stance is "This game should not exist and nobody should be buying it"

Now.....who sounds more reasonable here?

In the end it's just a vidya game, and not something worth getting too upset over...

....or to try and tell people not to buy something with their own money because someone feels it is not up to their personal standards.

@Spectator

@gage_wolf

Oops, you forgot to log in as @Quarthon again!

Does every game have to be a "masterpiece" or have "artistic merit" to be allowed to exist??

At least the developer is honest. He created a game that's a knock off of a fad (Flappy Birds) and he priced it appropriately. It's essentially a "junk food" video game.

Not every game that is released needs to strive to be something incredible or made with the expectation that it will advance the art of game making or whatever.

Does every meal have to be a steak? Does every film need to be a Citizen Kane? Does every holiday need to be spent at an art gallery? No! Sometimes you want a Whopper or to watch Billy Madison, or to spend a day off laying on the couch doing all of the above!

I can't imagine how empty some of the lives of these people complaining are. Honestly, find something else that is actually important to be this passionate or concerned about!!

I wonder who this @Quorthon guy is/was? And why is he so angry about this game?

He apparently just joined this site to post long rants against the Spikey Wall's developer. Perhaps an IP check is in order?

@KeeperBvK

I think comparing an emulator to a 'powerful weapon' is not a strong enough example. An emulator is more like making a device that would allow someone to blow up a planet.

That slimy cheat was using fire hopping!

@OorWullie

Ya, I was on this guys side before but he just made himself look like an idiot here.

I was going to buy his game, but that's not likely now.

@Grumblevolcano

Not assuming anything. I have no problem with any of these types of games appearing on the eShop. I am just confused by the idea that having these budget/knockoff games on there is going to somehow create problems for all the high quality and highly rated content on there.

These people seem to imagine some bizarre scenario where someone goes on to the eShop looking to buy a great game, and instead of Shovel Knight they either intentionally or accidentally buy The Letter.

Stuff like that doesn't happen. If someone buys a cheap $.99 game, they know what they are getting. If they buy a $14.99 game, they know they are getting something with a little more effort out into it.

It's easy to filter the good from the bad, and I believe most consumers go to the eShop with an idea of what they want anyway, so having these cheapo games sprinkled throughout the eShop doesn't detract from anything.

@Jazzer94

How exactly do eShop games get 'buried'? If you sort them by rating/sales, all these crap games will be at the bottom and all you will be seeing are the good ones.

I once took a wiimote to Tijuana....

That's all I can say about that here.

@King47

Just post the link in the NL forums or another website, and eventually a journalist from NL will see it in a Google search and post it here as a news story.

@Yorumi

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/02/10/no-complaints-about-flappy-bird-nintendo-says/

Nintendo themselves didn't care about it, so why do you?

@Yorumi

Did the Flappy Bird guy get in trouble for stealing the green pipes and game design from Super Mario Bros?

@NodesforNoids

Read the last paragraph

As much as I love a good beat em off game, I'm just going to wait for Mad Men Football

@Spoony_Tech

Maybe you missed the part where Tom said this was the first in a 'series' of articles, and it even has a heading "From the Forums' as if this may be something that catches on.

@Tops

Maybe next week Tom will write an article about the 'goodbye thread' detailing the whereabouts of forum members and when/if they will be returning again. It's going to be a real emotional roller coaster.

An NL article that rips off the content of a forum post about a game that is a ripoff of Flappy Birds? I think my mind has been blown!

That said, I will probably buy this game just because. Who cares if it is 'crap' or whatever, it's cheesy looking and cheap. All these dorks whining about it 'not belonging' on a Nintendo system need to find something more important to be concerned about.

@SetupDisk

Ya, we should all go back to wearing kickdonkey 90's fashions because they were much more grounded!

Nostalgia is both a blessing and a curse....

@BensonUii

Another good point!

This video series is designed to show off children's ignorance for laughs, much like those 'man on the street' segments on tv shows that only show answers from the most ignorant people.

I can't believe people are getting so worked up over this. It shows that they only think emotionally, not critically.

@ekreig

I think you are vastly over estimating the amount of people who play video games who also frequent video game news websites and forums.

Of all the guys I know who play games (some only casually) I don't think any of them really read about stuff online that much. It would be very easy for children who don't know much about video games to be completely oblivious to the history of said industry before they were born.

In this thread: angry nerds criticize children for not knowing/caring about old video game systems.

Who cares? Why are some of you having such a volatile reaction to this?? I bet if some of you guys had to discuss your knowledge of sports, women, cars and music, your responses would be just as embarrassing!

Remember when Gearbox said the Wii U was going to get the best version of Aliens: Colonial Marines?

@Shirma_Akayaku

I got it from a Google Image search. It was horrifying.