MikeLove

Can you use the gyroscope in the Wii-U gamepad when playing Wario? I haven't seen this verified anywhere yet.

@BinaryFragger

Ah, ok. I'm in Canada too and never noticed a price difference on the VC titles. I never look at the other downloads though, so I wasn't aware that those are occasionally different.

Why list Canadian prices separately, when they are identical to the US prices?

I would contribute $30 to ensure this game never sees the light of day.

"Graphics don't matter!" - Most Nintendo fans when talking about PS4/Xbox

"OMG! Look how amazing this looks!! Can't wait!!!" - Nintendo fan on MK8

Lets stop pretending that a significant visual update isn't a big deal. This game will still essentially be MK7, but the new graphics really make it something special.

Anybody who put an exploding cage death match in a wrestling game is fine by me.

Goodnight sweet prince...

@Dreamcaster-X

Ya, the VC titles Nintendo has put out have suffered from slowdown in several places, but the M2 produced titles (GBA and 3D Genesis so far) have been amazingly well done and run perfectly.

I caved and purchased Advance Wars as it pushed me to the 500pt level for $5 in eShop credit.

Looks and runs very smooth! The emulation is perfect!

@Jazzer94

That's because it's not Metal Mario, it's the unlockable Carl Weathers

Man, this game looks crazy good!

Mario Golf is my most wanted game this year behind only Mario Kart!

Good to see many people in the comments here that feel the same way. Online should be excellent!

@Airola

But to be fair, in Japan the Wii-U has already enjoyed the huge bump that's provided by Christmas sales twice, while the PS4 launched two months after Christmas which is a slow sales period.

Good points though, I appreciate the response.

@dumedum

The 5 month old PS4 has outsold the 17 month old Wii-U worldwide, and since its release in Japan, has been outselling the Wii-U on a weekly basis.

It's hard to take you seriously you when you are bragging about the Wii-U, a system that has been out in Japan for well over a year, selling more units overall when compared to a console that has only been on sale in Japan for a month and a half.

Not that it matters to anyone else, but keep grasping to that 'victory' if it helps you sleep better!

@Action51

You just can't get enough of me, can you?!

@AJ_Lethal

If we are crediting the Wii-U sales boost to an unreleased game, I think it was actually Mad Men Football

@wombatkidd

Exactly. The 'prank' wasn't funny at all. If the popular cool guy at school picks on the weak nerdy kid in class it just makes him look bad, which is what EA/Dice has done to Nintendo here.

EA should be the bigger man and leave Nintendo alone. They have enough to worry about already, without having the worlds most powerful game publisher kicking them when they are down.

@TheRavingTimes

For sure. It looks kid friendly, but is often quite challenging, especially the boss fights that sometime take a while to figure out how you are supposed to attack them.

Mad Men Football should be on the list

@Meaty-cheeky

Haha cool, I will add you tonight after I'm finished giving Nancy Gribble her treatments.

@Dark-Link73

If by 'average consumer' you mean someone who is 50+, then you are probably right.

But I would argue that if you asked anyone between the ages of 9-40 if you could play GTAV on your iPhone, they would laugh in your face. Much like they would if you asked them if you could play the new Zelda or Smash Bros on your Samsung Galaxy.

The game buying consumers (at least those who would ever be in the market to buy a home console anyway) all know the difference in terms of quality and experience when comparing home console games with a controller to what you play on a touch screen phone. There wouldn't be any confusion.

GTAV sold like 35 million copies, even though all the other games in the series are available on smartphones. If there was confusion, it would have sold 10 million copies and there would be 25 million other people starring at their iPhones waiting for it to appear in the App Store.

@MadLz

Read what thoughts? People are smart enough to know that the games you play on a smartphone in 5 minute bursts are not the same as what's available on a new $300 console.

@Geonjaha

I think the sheer amount of emulators and knock-off Nintendo titles on the android and iphone app stores more than prove that there is an interest in having those games on mobile devices.

@MadLz

The only Nintendo games that would appear on smartphones would be ones that they approve/create though. They could still release all the best games on their consoles, but could still put some basic puzzle type stuff on a phone and sell that for $2-4, or make it free and just get ad revenue. Wasn't that flappy birds game making $50,000 a day at its peak? It was a free download.

I don't buy it that a smartphone game will make people not want to buy a $300 home console either, as they are completely different things. No one in the history of the world has ever had to choose one over the other. If Nintendo had released NES Remix for the iPhone, would that have stopped you from buying a Wii-U? Of course not. There are dozens if not hundreds of games that will only be on the Wii-U and 3DS by the time it's all said and done, and having 10-25 smartphone mini-game releases from Nintendo isn't going to dissuade someone from buying one of their consoles. If anything, lots of people will double dip or perhaps be inclined to buy a Nintendo console.

@farore311

Nintendo would still be producing unique games for their main platforms, but could still put some older titles or smartphone exclusive puzzle and racing games on the App Store and sell those for $2-8+. It doesn't have to be one or the other. If they put some games on smartphones, they can still have console games too.

@audiobrainiac

Not really, since a $1.99 touch screen version of a simple Yoshi puzzle game or NES Mario titles on an iPhone isn't going to stop a consumer from buying a $300+ home console. They are two completely different platforms with different games and experiences.

@Yorumi

"MK64 can't be put on even a gba(gbc would have been it's same gen portable). Double dash isn't going on a gba, you could maybe manage it on a ds but ds tracks tended to be a good bit shorter"

All you are doing is comparing 2D sprite based versions of MK to the 3D versions of MK. Of course the 3D versions couldn't run on the sprite based GBA. Is that supposed to be some profound observation?

We have been playing 3D versions of MK since the N64, and an argument could be made that all subsequent releases in the series since then have been just "upscaled" versions of the previous title. So why are you now pointing out that MK8 is "just" an upscaled verson of MK7, when using your logic, MK7 is just an upscaled Double Dash, and MK8 is just an upscaled MK Wii?

The game is Mario Kart. You play as Mario characters and race go-karts. There is not much room for innovation, as there is a basic core the game must stick to. Aside from a graphical overhaul every few years and a few new bells and whistles, what could be done to make the next MK game more than a simple "upscale"?

"if the wiiU didn't exist and all we had was the 3ds is there any game that couldn't exist with it's gameplay intact? WW wouldn't be HD of course, but a port of WW isn't a problem, 3d world, pikmin, nsmb, smash, mk, dkctf all could be done on a 3ds using slightly lower graphics."

And The Avengers, Iron Man, Spiderman, and Lord of the Rings movies could all have been produced using special effects consisting of paper cut outs and claymation and the movies would have all existed with the stories intact too.

Sometimes better graphics are beneficial and enhance the experience, even though the gameplay/storyline remains the same.

"Every game doesn't have to be impossible on the 3ds, but couldn't one?"

Describe how you would design a Mario Kart game for the Wii-U that contains the required core game design (Mario + racing go-karts + behind the kart view) that would be unplayable on a 3DS in a downscaled form, but wouldn't alienate the fanbase and still sell millions of copies.
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@Yorumi

"Here's what I mean, mario kart 8 for example, I'm certainly looking forward to it but it's just upscaled mario kart 7"

VS

"upscaled"

lol

@Chunky_Droid

Then what is the simple explanation for why NES, Genesis, Game Gear and Gameboy games run fine on the 3DS? All Nintendo needs to do is make an emulator for the 3DS that plays GBA games, and the problem is resolved.

The only reason GBA games ran in DS mode was because they were rushed out in a hurry for the Ambassador program. It doesn't mean that that's the only method to play GBA games on the 3DS. It was just the quickest and easiest way.

Also, before 3DS Miiverse integration a couple months ago, all VC titles on the 3DS were bare bones, so you can't use those 'added features' as an excuse for why GBA games can't be ported.

@Superiorspider

Playing game on 4 inch screen
Playing game on 55" Samsung LED in HD with surround sound

@ikki5

"If you can get it all on your 3DS, what incentive is there to buy the other console?"

A 3DS and a Wii-U are two completely different devices that provide completely different experiences and software. No one is going to pick one over the other just because of different VC offerings.

@Doma

It's like Iwata is dangling car keys in front of the face of Wii-U owners to distract them from the fact that (as of now) only MK8 has a guaranteed release date for the Wii-U this year.

@LinkJr_Rezende

Exactly. No one is buying (or will buy) a Wii-U just to play GBA games, so I can't understand why so many people view this is a 'selling point" for the system. If someone hasn't bought one already even though it has a good library of Wii-U software, they won't do it just because they can play 12 year old handheld games on it.

That said, unless there are valid technical limitations that prevent the 3DS from emulating GBA games (there shouldn't be), Nintendo is flushing a lot of potential sales down the toilet by just limiting their release (so far) to the Wii-U.

@Action51

But you are mad though. I am obviously in your head, because you follow me everywhere on this site and accuse me of being a "paid viral poster", a "troll", etc. In fact, this whole dialogue started because I was having a back and forth debate with another member here and you decided to chime in because you can't get enough of me!

Most people on here like to have debates, you just like to name call and get whiny. It's sad.

Why don't you reply to @Peach64 's response to you instead?

@Action51

"I guess my point is...I can find something positive"

Blissful ignorance of reality doesn't help anything.

"Do you most feel troubled by the idea that the releases of PS4 and XB1 weren't the final nail in the coffin and actually seem to have boosted sales across all platforms, or are you more upset that Nintendo's first party games do seem capable of keeping a modest stream of software and console sales based on their quality alone?"

I don't care about any of that and I want Nintendo to be the top dog and compete, but I'm not biased enough either to pretend that the PS4 and Xbox aren't doing remarkably well and that the Wii-U isn't in a post-Christmas funk.

@Action51

I just read the last part, but no one here wants Nintendo to do badly, I and many others want them to return to form and be the #1 company again. I don't think anyone posting critical comments about them hates or enjoys seeing them fail. It's the exact opposite.

If this was a forum to discuss your favorite sports team, and they were on a 15 game losing streak, many people who love the team would be posting critical things or questioning team decisions as well.

Same goes for Nintendo. When they do something a lot of fans don't like, many of them will speak out on it. When they do something great, it will be cheered.

I may have to play this! I'm actually interested...

Hopefully there are levels where you have to park vehicles pulling trailers.

@shigulicious

I'm with you on this one. I couldn't go back to it after MK64, and even now, I can't play MK64 because that too has aged terribly.

To be honest, anything that uses "Mode 7" scaling like Star Fox, F-Zero, Pilotwings, etc is unplayable for me now. The platformers that use it are fine, but games that use it for driving or flying are awful and sometimes headache inducing.

@Action51

To be fair, I don't think @Peach64 researched those numbers to prove the Wii-U was "doomed". He did it to prove you wrong, which he did handily.

"You honestly took all the wind out of my sails...not because of the actual data...but that you literally tossed out everything I wrote, and went right to the sales numbers..."

Umm...ya...why wouldn't he?? Everything else you wrote was based on your personal "feelings", with no demonstrable proof to support it. However, you left yourself open to a fact based reply when you lied about sales numbers to support your "feelings".

The comment section is for friendly discussion. It's not serious. There's no reason to get so emotional about things! Cheer up! Ya don't need to get depressed about Nintendo!

Nobody even buys the games, so what's the market for Metroid themed Lego??

Not happening.

@Sidewaydriver

Hahahaha! Love your profile pic!

@Action51

"I hear ya man"

Glad we can agree on this. The price is a bit much compared to the digital pricing that Sega, Sony, and others charge for their games, especially when those other companies are providing extra features and added value.

Hopefully Nintendo will get it together soon!

@faint

I want to buy them, but at $7.99 it's too much, as several other people have stated as well. $5.99 for PSOne games on PS3/Vita but $7.99 for a GBA game on Wii-U? Come on....

@wombatkidd

Mmmmm...your words only make me stronger!!! Even though you spelled 'John' wrong

p.s. remember when you compared a 6 inch touch screen to the L&R buttons on an SNES controller? That was classic!!

@TrueWiiMaster

It's about the value. GBA VC are barebone releases that cost more than older console games that have significant upgrades (3D, new play options, screen filters, etc).

You can buy Resident Evil 1-3 for $5.99 each on PSN and play them on both your PS3 AND a Vita for that price. Yet you still think $7.99 for a GBA game is fair? Come on. If Nintendo did a 'buy 2 get 1 free' promo I would take the leap, but $7.99 each is too much. I cringe when I think what they could possibly charge for an N64 or GameCube game if they end up releasing those on VC one day. $15-20 I bet....

@Park_Triolo

All I saw him say about the Wii-U was that it was a bit of a stumble (which it is) and that he likes Nintendo and trusts them and thinks they will turn things around and return to form. What is so wrong about that? Sounds quite reasonable to me, and certainly isn't "doom and gloom".

@Melkac

Ya...and then it blew up, got popular today, big publishers took notice and will start to copy that model or buy up indie studios themselves.

What's so hard to understand? He's absolutely right.

@MagicEmperor

Golf and Tennis are two totally different games though. In tennis you are always playing against an opponent, while in golf you are just competing with yourself and trying to improve. I too got tired of Mario Tennis VERY quickly, but I'm still playing Mario Golf 64 15 years later!

@TrueWiiMaster

You can buy 3D versions of Sega Genesis games, with added features and some of the best emulation I've seen (they run flawlessly and at full speed) on the 3DS for $2 + tax less than you can a bare bones GBA release on the Wii-U.

Sega is pricing it right, while Nintendo continues to remain out of touch with consumers.

@TrueWiiMaster

You are comparing the fluctuating price of a physical cartridge (which could be found at yard sales, thrift stores, and other online places for $5-10 any given day) to a download with no collectible value or possibility for resale.

I knew someone would bring up 'gameplay', but that's not the point. The point was that something that is ten years old (and easily obtained online and played using other methods) and technologically inferior is selling for roughly the same price as a brand new HD game with more bells and whistles and online play. That ain't right.

@noctowl

I have a feeling if they were $11.99 you would still be making the same argument.

For about the price of a GBA VC game, I could instead download a brand new Wii-U eShop indie game with better graphics, sound, and online features.
Nintendo thinking they can charge the same price for an archaic, decade old game from a handheld system is just greedy.

They would sell a lot more games if they were $6 each instead of $9.

@noctowl

They are 10+ year old handheld games. It's ridiculous that they cost about 80% of what you would pay for the physical cartridge on the second hand market today, something which could then be resold again if you so desired.

Plus, all these games are easily obtained for free and played using 'other' methods, which we can't speak about here obviously. For $5-6 I would consider buying them, but at this price I'm fine with taking a pass.

@Park_Triolo

Maybe you missed the part where Peter left Microsoft, trashed them, then started his own smaller 'indie' studio.