Project CARS Wii U Delay Was To Ensure It's As Good As Other Versions, Says Dev

That's a good enough reason to delay a game as far as I'm concerned. Really looking forward to Project CARS — maybe even a bit more now

Cant wait sounds like it will be cool

I guess some people just got... Slightly Mad.

I'm sorry.

PR spin and nothing more to me. Of the original planned version it and PC have been in development longest.

Yeah, I don't believe this.

naturally! this will be awesome. although i do love a good conspiracy theory, maybe that can be dlc

Still feels like PR shielding but I'll still get the game.

@AcesHigh73 Not really, as the game was crowdfunded for PC, Wii U, PS3, and Xbox 360. Two of those are cancelled, and the Wii U version is delayed. The Xbox One and PS4 versions were added much later. They just dropped the Wii U version, and wanted to get their Xbox One/PS4 versions done as soon as possible. They're the same as a lot of other third party developers.

@Wouwter You slightly mad bruv?

delaying a game to make sure it's extra good is fine by me, but like watchdogs, when these games come out all eyes are going to be on them and these eyes will be calibrated for quality.

When he said "we just want to make sure it's of the same standard of all the other games" he just doomed himself!!!

At least there honest... coughcoughUbisoftcoughEAcough!

I'm just expecting it to be a competent racing game, definitely looks nice. I have no problem waiting for the WiiU version

Could this be the first honest and fair dev in the last couple of years ?

I don't have any confidence as of yet. Why not back this up with a trailer. We still have seen NOTHING but words which once again reminds me of Aliens Colony Marines. Put up or shut up!

Honesty really guys. If this was so honest why not say this a month ago when they delayed it. They've had plenty of time to think this statement over. Back it up with something other then words. We as Nintendo fans should be sick of words!

Hmm well i'm sorry i stopped caring for this game a long time.I will use the money i was going to buy your game on something else now.But maybe if you show us a trailer only showing the Wiiu version maybe i would buy it again,oh wait that's that's asking for to much, oh never mind then.

When I heard that this game was better than grand turismo I just wanted this game to be released.
@Wouwter lol

Well, i can wait.. Anyways the moment it's out there I'll buy it.. Busy 2014 mk8, hyrule warriors, bayonets 2 and smash bros, so I can wait.

I just hoped they were spending time in using wisely the gamepad (with gyroscopes and the touchscreen that can emulate all those buttons it seems the perfect steering wheel) instead of simulating every single raindrop...

I don't mind waiting for the game,I'm not that interested but if they do a good job I'll pick it up but right now my backlog is full and soon I will be playing hyrule warriors and fantasy life then next month bayonetta and may be smash 3ds and theatrythm curtain call, than smash wiiu, (watchdogs may be).

So many games !!!!

Sorry, I'm not buying what he's saying.Though he could be true,Most probably not.But in my case the day Wii U version got delayed I cancelled my plans for Project CARS.I only wanted to buy the game to show them support in the first place, but I might get the game later sometime.Just not hyped anymore.This is what happens when games get delayed.

Riiiight.... I don't buy this excuse at all. Good thing I really never planned to pick it up anyways. Just another developer putting Nintendo on the back burner.

@Einherjar
I don't think so.WBU?

@Einherjar

look into them Slightly Mad have a very unusual structure.

I hope this is the case. Better to wait for a polished experience then end up with a sub par port like some publishers would do.

@Wouwter
Get out!

I guess they will release it along side Project Giant Robot. and they'd call both games Project Transformers.

These developers have no track record to be believed. So sorry, don't believe you.

I feel they haven't even started the WiiU version, and will slap together some "8 bit retro" version of the game and call it a day sometime in the summer of 2015.

Much like Watch_Dogs, we don't see any screenshots of the WiiU version, so it's really hard to believe the game exists.

@S-Miyahon What are they doing with the GamePad? Nobody knows. We haven't seen any footage from the Wii U version, neither have we heard about any plans about they're going to use the GamePad for.

Even if the GamePad delayed development, that shouldn't take more than a year, since they have been developing the Wii U version way before the PS4 / Xbox One versions were announced. And why wouldn't they just tell us the GamePad is causing the delay? Because it isn't.

The company is known for deleting comments concerning negativity towards their game. Even asking why they would delay the Wii U version (despite being the most anticipated version according to their poll), has led them to delete my comment.

If anything, that just shows that they have little credibility as a company, and would do anything to make themselves look better. I don't think they want the Wii U version to look as good as the PS4 / Xbox One, because it never will be. They favoured the PS4 / Xbox One version, because they predicted they will sell better anyway. They dropped the development on the Wii U, and they'll (perhaps) continue once the PS4 / Xbox One versions are complete.

Cancellation confirmed

@DiscoGentleman Sorry, what? According to Project Cars' official website, the Wii U version was the version most in-demand. Additionally, Project Cars is going up against the likes of Drive Club, Forza Horizon and The Crew - neither of which are on the Wii U. So how would they anticipate the Wii U version selling the least?

Even there is a big part of PR in it. If they really put now all their effort in the WiiU version and deliver a really stunning game i will forgive them.

Don't be surprised that the Wii U version sells even worse...

So they say it's not "a conspiracy" (by the way, I think the Nintenolife writers should disclose if they bought in to the profit sharing scheme that Slightly Mad originally had, as writing coverage of the project while having a stake in its sales would be extremely questionable), as in it's not a shift in resources so that the PS4 / One versions can get out for the Holidays. That can only mean that squeezing it all the way down to Wii U is involving numerous compromises. Which actually, I'm OK with if it can keep a perfect 30 FPS. Excellent frame rate plus releasing as a packaged box (instead of eshop only, which I fear there's still a chance of) will probably lead me to a day one buy. I do have a soft spot for tilting in racers.

Calling it BULL$#@&

1) As soon as Namco Bandai bought up the publishing rights we suddenly get a delay on the Wii U...where funders met the kickstarter goal like they did on every other platform.

2) We heard this EXACT same line from Ubisoft over Rayman Legends and Watchdogs, so it's not like we Nintendo fans haven't been burned in this exact same way before.

3) Since the funding goals were met early on, why weren't you working on the Wii U version alongside the PS4, XB1, and PC versions?

I just feel really sorry for these guys. They've put so much work into this version, but delaying just the Wii U version means they'll lose quite a lot of sales just like with many other third party game. They'll have to release the game at a reduced price and/or include a lot of free DLC and/or exclusive content if there's any chance of the Wii U version making enough sales to at least break even.

@Punished_Boss That's my secret Captain, I'm always Slightly Mad.

@Octane Woah, that's sad for the 360 and PS3 owners who backed it in the first place

Also, this'll seriously hurt Wii U sales of the game, thus leading to more devs dropping it, resulting in even worse sales, etc.

Ok. I wouldn't launch in between 3 blockbusters anyway.

" I've seen the Wii U version, I've seen it quite regularly. It's got dynamic time of day, weather - it looks phenomenal."

Yet no screen shots or trailers or anything to share? Lack of confidence?

Probably some truth in what he said. PC, PS4 and X1 versions all come out the same time and look similar enough for the endless side-by-side screenshots adn vids. They can't get Wii U too look that good so they delay it until next year so less people will be doing those comparisons w/ the other versions.

Not sure if it sells better or worse b/c of the delay.

I don't know. He might tell the truth, but having been treated like a low class citizen by Ubisoft you never know these days. Though, he is right by claiming that we lack racing games. We have Mario Kart 8 and NFSMW. That's it. He could have destroyed all doubts by showing some Wii U footage, even some screenshots would've served.

@Splatom Indeed it is. Although there are no exact number out there to back up how many of the crowdfunders were anticipating the PS3 and 360 versions, I'd like to know though...

And I do think it'll definitely hurt the Wii U sales. On the other hand, Wii U owners don't have to swallow every delayed downgraded port third party developers release. I wonder when they'll learn this...

AKA: WiiU wasn't a top Priority.

i'm happy for them to take their time and wring every last watt of power out of the wiiu. but i'll be hoping for 60 fps, 30 is barely tolerable in a racing game, even if it means the trees dont have sloths loping around in them.
also boycotting a game because it doesnt come out at the same time as the other versions is no way to get 3rd party support

I believe whatever delayed of the Wii U version prompted the developers to cancel the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions in favour of their respective successors, which actually are technically closer to a contemporary PC-like structural environment than their predecessors.

I'm no engineer, but I have a feeling the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 versions are really ported from the PC version development, and easily optimised for each hardware, whilst the Wii U version remains a ground-up, independent development from the other versions, especially attributing to its more unique hardware elements like the GamePad. Also, keep in mind while the game is still coming to PC in November, it won't be SteamOS-ready yet, which was also delayed alongside the Wii U release.

@DiscoGentleman - Maybe he just goes on and does the standard PR thing because that's his job, but for Nintendo platform owners, we know how this process works with third party devs. We didn't just fall off the mushroom kart, and this isn't the first time.

This is a game I'm sort of interested in (less now after the "delays" on Wii U), but as a PC owner myself, I see they're essentially trying to ensure multiplatform gamers don't buy the Wii U version if given a choice.

Maybe if they were to talk about unique gamepad functions or a special bonus like Nintendo themed paint-jobs and decals they could offset the delay and keep interest up...but all we've gotten so far are vague excuses.

Still doesn't mean you should nerf your own sales to get the game out sooner. If one version gets delayed, all the other versions should wait until the delayed version is ready. But at least their honest.

They over promised with making a Wii U version at the same time. It was always a novelty more than a priority product. Could turn out really good or certainly go the other way in that case

@RougeLeader I believe that this game will be 30 FPS according to a earlier news article and that goes for all versions of PROJECT cars.

If it goes a fair way towards proving that, provided a little extra time, a Wii U title can stand up to its PS4/XBO equivalents visually, then it will have been worth the wait.

If the perception that the Wii U is too dramatically under-powered for AAA titles begins to fade, third parties will have fewer reasons to forgo the system... we all know that the install base argument is just just a load of bull.

Id rather have a good REASON, than another Ubi/EA styled EXCUSE...

Who are they trying to kid? We all know Wii U version will NEVER look as good as the other versions. I hope it at least has a decent framerate.

Seems legit. I still want it, as i have for a long time. I'm gonna get it. If Xbox and PS4 didn't exist it might not seem like a such a long wait. Hopefully they'll have used this time to perfect the gamepad's controls

Why not just delay it on all systems to have parity in releases? If it is as late as Watch_Dogs Wii U (3+ months with no release date in sight), they can kiss sales goodbye.

@Captain_Toad

thanks for the info.

Pinky promise? Pinky promise then... Hope this guy is telling the truth because we've been reading stuff like this with 3rd Party devs since jurasic times. But it's nice to read that they just delayed the game to polish purposes and not to "wait until the Wii U userbase increase" like other guys from Ubisoft and EA and, well, pretty muchh all 3rd Party publishers...

Still no footage or screens, yeah I'll believe it when I see it on launch day when some random Youtuber uploads some footage. Not gonna lie the constant PR spin is grating at this point.

You've seen the Wii U version regularly? So where's the footage and screenshots? Almost 2 years in development and we still haven't seen a SINGLE footage on the Wii U version. This is just some damage control PR bull crap.

If the game is delay to ensure quality then I had no problem with it as long as it isn't cancelled and most other dev did.

Well, I just wonder if they are going to charge full price for the Wii U version. For anyone that has more than one console or a good PC, when they charge full price for a 6 months old game it really means that it costs twice as much because the price on the other systems is going to be halved by then. And that's just unreasonable unless you explain why people should wait longer to pay more.

"There's no conspiracy here"
I still refuse to take my tinfoil hat off.

@SkywardLink98 - technically he is correct!

"There's no conspiracy here" - A conspiracy involves multiple people or parties plotting something in a clandestine fashion. This is just one developer spinning and making excuses right out in the open, lol.

Yeah problem right

It's not as simple as the ones they started working on first should be done first. I guess since the PS4 and Xbone are so close to a PC in terms of architecture it took very little time to modify their existing PC code to produce builds for those two consoles. Obviously Wii U is very different, so is going to take a lot more work.

I don't buy the theory that a late release on Wii U loses them sales. If they release it on Wii U in November, the only people buying are those that only have a Wii U. That crowd aren't going to be able to go out and get it on another platform, so it shouldn't be releasing to a smaller audience when it finally does come out. Sure, some people won't get it out of protest, but those kinds of numbers are insignificant when you're talking about the millions of units games sell these days.

Thats good, but why don't saying anything like that the exact moment they announced the delay? Ok, I wanna believe them... i'll get driveclub for Ps4 and wait Project cars to come to WiiU, in order to support them and every third party who wanna develop for the platform

I'm still unsure about this game. I love the features & everything but I'm not into realistic racing games. Maybe I'll enjoy them after playing this one. We'll see.

They got me Slightly Mad with their excuses. They better put something extra in the Wii U version or at least sell it at a reduced price

I'm done with third party developers, I'm sticking wth 1st party and 2nd party games. Fair well lazy 3rd party developers I'm sick of your weak excuses and lazy ports. Good riddance

@Hy8ogen agreed mate

I still think they were afraid to launch their game after seeing the quailty of Mario kart 8

Seriously though as he says project cars has no competition on wiiu they have forza and gt to Beaton the other systems. If the we version gets delayed what game would we buy instead?

[reads title] Why not make it better? [peaces out]

This should be on U first and then others.guess they're polishing the u version.hope release in January early.

great, I can wait

I wonder what gamepad functions it will have?

@nungi If it was January, they would've said ''early 2015''. They said just ''2015'',

How about they all delay until it's all finished?

@JJtheTexan I am not mad, I just have no faith in the developer delivering on the promises made when they looked for crowdfunding. If after two years they are unable to produce anything showing Wii U gameplay then it is justifiable to question their ability to deliver. At lot of the frustration and annoyance could be solved by them just by putting up screenshots or gameplay video of the Wii U version functioning.

Big 3rd party companies could learn alot from these developers

players will be getting smash bros and bayonetta hyrule warriors maybe better to delay it til early 2015, I would buy it in feb/march.

All these comments prove third partys are right, now more than ever.

Watch Dogs and this game better be less than 30 bucks when they release.

"There's no conspiracy here"
What's so fascinating about that statement is that it blindly admits to there being a conspiracy by 3rd party devs against the Wii U, Nintendo, and its customers. Almost as if certain other companies are pressuring developers into this sort of business practice.

Wii U owners are TIRED of being treated as 2nd class citizens. We are probably some of the most passionate and dedicated consumers out there. Yet 3rd parties always try to find a way to slight us and treat us blatantly disrespectful. Yet they expect us to lap up every and anything they toss us. As if we "ought to be grateful". Ive never seen such complete and utter brashness and disconnect between a product provider and its consumer.

It makes me upset just thinking about it.

In that case, they should have delayed every version, and release everything when everything was ready.

Yes, I realize that it probably makes more business sense to do it the way they're doing it. But that decision also has the unwanted side effect of ostracizing Wii U owners, whether they want it or not. So, really, they should just deal with it, and realize this decision will impact sales on the platform.

For what it's worth, I for one am excited about this game and will probably get the Wii U version when it comes out.

Remember when Gearbox said the Wii U was going to get the best version of Aliens: Colonial Marines?

I'll still be keeping an eye out for it. Forza 5 is pretty fun. I'm not gonna get the Xbox One version, just because it comes out first. Like Watch Dogs, I'll see the differences between the Xbox One and Wii U versions, THEN I'll make my decision on whether I will buy it, and for which platform.

@SethNintendo
Those numbers are old. Wii U sold 4 games per console in January, and I think it's somewhere around 6 by now. The Xbox One figure(3.3) you have is correct, and PS4 just passed 3 in June or July. So Wii U has sold the most games, followed by Xbox One, then PS4.

@Beetlejuice It doesn't exist on Wii U, so Wii U owners did get the "best version" of the game!

@Punished_Boss
I was going to say something along those lines, but didn't know how to word it. Good job.

I laughed.. try "we know it can't look as good but we are delaying because ya know.. it's that damn name Wii "U"

@electrolite77 - Ya, and it has twice as many software sales to show for it. Looks fine to me. The console to software sale ratio is important, too. That's why Xbox One is technically selling more games per console than PS4, even if the software sales are the same.

Not a racing fan myself but I've been interested in this game because my daughter is a big fan of the Forza series. While we have a very good racing game in the form of Mario Kart 8, but I still think we could do with a game like this on the wiiu. To show their commitment to the wiiu version I reckon they should give us a demo no matter how rough it is at the time of the other releases. That should put us on until the 2015 release.

@Spoony_Tech

I totally agree....why never any footage, same thing for WD. We are to believe you have a WiiU version in the works but can't show us any video or gamepad untilization......just hurts themselves, asking us to wait isnfine but give us a reason!

@Blue-Thunder Lol...

@Kuhang This is the problem with this atitude of buying things just to support them...you dont really want the game, so whatever happens becomes a reason for you not buying it anymore. Im buying Projct Cars because i really want a racing sim and the fact that it was delayed did not affect at all my need for this game and my decision of buying it.

@electrolite77
Bigfoot told me to say it, after he got off the UFO.

@electrolite77
Gotta have some fun on the comment sections sometimes. People get a little too sensitive about replies sometimes. And a good day to you too sir.

I do wonder how these companies expect Nintendo fans to react when they do this stuff after they've seen how we always react when they do this stuff? I mean I don't think it is unreasonable to be upset that when the same game for three consoles is announced, it is delayed on one of the consoles without assurance that at least the price of the game will be equal to that of the other two when it is released.

All this BS about Wii U selling horribly compared to XBOne or PS4 is bunk when you just look at it like this. There are more consoles out for it than XBOne. The Wii U being out longer is really irrelevant to how fast the XBOne is selling as there are and will be more Wii Us in homes NOW. Not in 4 to 6 months, but now.

You go to Nintendo fan sites and see a community starving for legit 3rd party support, the smart business thing to do would be to capitalize on that. People can say this is business till they turn blue in the face, but wise business is to know your customers and to appeal to them. Instilling customer loyalty is something all business want, but the gaming companies seem to think that segregating their consumers and playing favorites will earn them brownie points or people will just accept it.

I know this is a long rant, but I feel Slightly Mad or Bandai Namco, whoever made this decision, made a very bad one. Nintendo fans (not just on this or strictly Nintendo fan site) were highly offended by Ubisoft handling Rayman Legend the way they did, and doubly so with Watch Dogs. An intelligent company would not have made that decision, and a smarter business move would have been to release them at the same time or the PC version alone and waited for the consoles. At least I feel that would have been smarter and would have pissed off far fewer people and ostracized fewer as well.

That's fine, better delayed than never...I'm holding out for the WiiU version certainly!

@ShadyKnights The Rock clap.gif

Well said. Its like they treat us as statistical numbers as opposed to REAL people with REAL thoughts and feelings. As if those can't sway our purchase decisions elsewhere/when.

@Punished_Boss" All these comments prove third partys are right, now more than ever." Third party's are right on what? That Wiiu owners are pissed off at third party developers,cause they show no footage no screenshots of the game for the console .And then in the end is a half finished port,and then they blame them for the game selling like crap."Asking why aren't these Wiiu owners buying our crappy port?"But it's weird it seems i'm talking about this game,that there's no Wiiu screenshots or anything and in the end it might terrible,cause the only thing we got is there word saying that the port will be good.Hmm that sound like Ubisoft and Watch dogs for the Wiiu.

Yeah, still calling bull on this, The game if I remember correctly was funded for the Wii U as one of the core games, then one of the extras was the Xone and PS4. Then they get Bandi Namco as a publisher and lo and behold, the game is delayed, the company that has been giving Nintendo the shaft

Whilst I'm disappointed about the delay I will be getting this game on release. I'm really tired of all this anti third party BS too. If your interested in the game then buy it, if not buy something that does interest you. Why do you people always dwell on the negative. It's not like Nintendo themselves don't delay games(I'm looking at you Captain Toad) when it suits them.

@1wiierdguy It's not the fact that they delay games that people are annoyed at. It's the fact that they delay the game on the Wii U and not the other systems and they all give the same excuse which is the "ensure the quality"

@ikki5 if they don't ensure quality we cry "gimped port"! Lose/lose for them. 3rd party games sell better on the other systems, it's just a fact. Wii U is less of a priority because of that, it's just the way it is. It's business nothing more, nothing less.

@Wouwter xD

What's all of this about "I don't believe it."? What's not to believe? That they're taking longer on the WiiU version for it to be as good? It's common gamer knowledge that the WiiU is weaker than the XBox One and PS4, and to make a lesser-powered console play a game with the same quality as a higher-powered console game, it'll take longer to develop it.

@Wouwter
>spits tea

Anyway, glad they're taking the time to make the Wii U version better.

@electrolite77
The Wii U has been out for a year earlier, and based on it's figures, PS4 and Xbox One will meet the same figures in another 9 months or so. That's only if they keep the same rate as of now. That isn't likely, and tons of other factors could change.. No matter which way you put it, Wii U is at least 9 months ahead in software sales. Once the Wii U has been out for 2 years, the PS4 and Xbox One will have been out for 1 year. You need to compare 1 year to 2 years, not 9 months to 21 months, That is why I said Wii U's software attach rate is double right now, because Wii U will be out twice as long during this November. This reaches back to as far back as last November.

@3MonthBeef Technically I think it's against the rules of Kickstarter to pull a bait and switch, though this developer already did that with the PS360 versions of the game so what'll stop them from doing the same thing to the Wii U version?

I am looking forward to Project Cars on the Wii U.

Having a dashboard on the gamepad might be good.

It makes sense to delay the release over the other consoles.

You have to put your limited resources into products that will give you income so you can do other projects.

Success breeds success, and frankly the Wii U is not successful compared to the other consoles as far as sales so far. You cannot expect developers to be charitable.

An advantage of a delayed release, is that much of the bug work has been sorted out and the polish been put into the game. Just hoping it won't be a lazy 'lets get this over and done with' port to the Wii U.

To me, because there was actually an update on what features and mechanics have been put into the game and the fact that he comes right out and says the Wii U is quite good AND that there is a vocal gamer base on the Wii U that want this game, these comments are clearly truthful and different enough from other, "we delayed it to work on it" comments

@1wiierdguy I feel the same way at this point. Obviously Wii U owners have a right to be furious particularly in this case when crowdfunding was involved but this BS from 3rd parties has just become too expected now to even bother getting ruffled over anymore. I don't care about the developers, I care about having a cool car sim to play on the Wii U so politics be damned, I'll get the game when/if it comes. Sometimes you gotta know when to pick your battles.

@kenzo
I think you may be generalizing too much when you say we cannot expect studios to be generous and that success breeds success. Success breeds imitators. Also while all three big consoles play games, it's actually very wrong to compare the Wii U to the PS4 and XBOne. You can compare the last two to each other because they are trying to game in the same way. The Wii U has been compared to the other two by the gaming media which is their error since the Wii U is attempting to game in different ways.

The Wii U not selling as fast as the other two is a symptom not a cause. A symptom of devs not putting effort into the games they release for it or making games for it. It's not called charity, it's called just doing their job. They don't want to develop for the Wii U? Fine. But when they decide to, I think it only fair that they treat its consumer base with the same respect they would XonySoft's. If the PS4's version was delayed because they "wanted to make sure it was as good as the other two" all hell would have broken loose on the internet, about how PS4 fans should never have to wait for a game being released on the XBOne and Wii U of all consoles months, if not a full year, earlier. That'd be unexceptionable. But because the Wii U is the less speech heavy console it's okay? Sorry, that's BS.

It's BS to get crappy ports and to be berated for not lavishing them with appreciation, it's BS to be given lazily done games and not being called ungrateful, it's BS to be told what we like when we have very clearly told them what we like, and it's BS that this has become acceptable. That the concept that Nintendo fans deserve less just because they enjoy a non popular console is acceptable is a sign the the gaming Media has failed it's purpose.

@3MonthBeef Except they release the game on platforms that weren't a part of the campaign which means they had the money to finish the product they just decided to sc*ew backers over which is different then running out of money and never completing the game or only releasing it on 1 or 2 of the originally planned consoles.

I don't believe this, because the game was delayed only because of Namco.

@Spoony_Tech they did say it was delayed as it wasn't ready, their explanation is that it's actually true. Why should they rush and deliver something that people regret buying?

@electrolite77

As I said in the accompanying paragraph to that point, that is ignorant business sense. The wise thing to do is to look at the market that is there and grow them. Jumping on the popular band wagon is a common business practice, but that doesn't make it smart, nor does it mean as a consumer we should support it.

Generally it's easier to get lost among the flood of others when there is a wave of similar content saturating the market (i.e. How Beyond Good and Evil was so easily overlooked when released next to PoP Sands of Time) and forgotten than to stick out and be remembered (i.e. How people still say nice things about Zombi U even though its quality is spotty in places and its content lacking). Bandwagon jumping may be beneficial if your game is noticed, but if it's swept under the rug of the other two racing games or is legit good, but equally legit not as good as its competition on said consoles, then it's a great way to waste money rather than make it.

@electrolite77 - That's the point. It's easier to compare 1 year to 2 years than it is 9 months to 21 months, because the numbers are simpler that way. Regardless of how many months it has been, Xbox One and PS4 will meet that 1 year mark while Wii U meets its 2 year mark. Compare 12 months to 24 months and 9 months to 21 months. That's why comparing 1 year to 2 years is simpler. I can't make it any more clear than that.

The Wii U is technically behind by 3-4 months of software sales at Xbox One and PS4's rate, as of now, but there is still 2 months until the 2 year mark. That still puts ahead the Wii U ahead by 9-10 months at the current rate, in which they will reach that 1 and 2 year period.

That's not even considering the hardware. PS4 should have twice as many game sales as Xbox One, because it has 2x more consoles. Xbox One gamers are 100%, without a doubt, buying more games than PS4 people. Wii U has 7 million consoles with 6 million games. Even if you halve that amount, Wii U would have 3.5 million consoles sold with a 3 million softeare attach ratio. This is all going off of that 1 and 2 year mark they will all inevitably reach.

@midnafanboy That is why they're right. Even if this game launched on time (it would be a sloppy port) but if they delayed it (there is now a conspiracy that not only it will still be a sloppy port but this is all done to treat Wii U owners as second class).

They couldn't win in this scenario.

@JJtheTexan said: "What do they owe us? Crowdfunding or not, it's BUSINESS. Quit taking it personally."

• That's kind of missing the entire point of crowdfunding though, isn't it? They ask for a certain amount of money to ensure they can complete a project without taking a financial risk. Maybe you can explain what I'm missing about how crowdfunding works?

@3MonthBeef - "They are not obliged to finish it because its a kickstarter but they will, out of perhaps moral, but likely PR obligations for the sake of the company."

• Not finishing the project sounds a little bit like something we call "fraud" or a "scam" and may be subject to a "class action lawsuit".

That's kind of the whole reason why Wii U owners are upset. Promises were made contingent on funding goals, those goals were met. Now we get delays and excuses. Spin it all you want... the fact that actual money was given to this developer by individuals based on promises made publicly changes everything.

@Punished_Boss - It's a total strawman to say that people are claiming this is a conspiracy to be mean to Wii U owners.

The only people actually using the word conspiracy to describe what's going on here are Slightly Mad's Andy Tudor and his defenders. Most of us here are just calling it a bunch of excuses and PR spin.

What the defenders of the delay can't seem to explain is why the Wii U port needs to be delayed and made a low priority despite the crowdfunding goals being reached early and...last time I checked...$10.00 from a Wii U owner is the same as $10.00 from a Playstation or Xbox owner.

Am I mistaken?

@Action51 Are you sure? Because that's the vibe I'm getting from these comments. I said second class citizens, not mean. They told you why the Wii U version was delayed, it's right there in the title and you've just palmed if off as excuses and pr spin. The Wii U port is delayed, that's how it is (it has nothing to do with low priority and crowd funding goals). Happens to other systems all the time, or should have happened.

A lot of people in this comment section have already called this a sloppy port, even though it's a mystery port.

@Punished_Boss
Um not to be a donkeyhat good sir, but exactly which games that were supposed to come out on the Wii U, PS4, and XBOne have been delayed for any other console other than the Wii U? And if you don't mean these three, which multiplatform games are you speaking of that got this treatment in any other generation when two other consoles were getting the same game?

@Punished_Boss - Ever hear that expression "fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me"?

I think people are reacting to this negatively because:

1) the announcement of a Wii U delay came right after the announcement of Namco-Bandai picking up distribution.

2) We've had this happen before with third party publishers like Ubisoft and Capcom.

3) This was a crowdfunded project.

As for people calling this a "sloppy port" ...are you sure people aren't merely predicting a sloppy port based on recent experiences, or bringing up the long-standing issue that Nintendo consoles have had with sloppy ports for years? Context is key, and one person saying something doesn't constitute most or lots or everyone saying it.

I'm going to say the same thing that I say to women that I chat to online; "pics please".

@ShadyKnights
Nightmare games: Skyrim PS3. Bugfield 4. GTA Online at launch. COD Ghosts.
Delayed ports: Mass Effect 2 PS3. Mass Effect 1 PS3. Bioshock PS3. GTA IV: TBOGT/TLAD PS3. Rise of The Tomb Raider (PS3/PS4/PC). Titanfall 360.

You notice how theres a lot of PS3s? They've suffered through loads of delayed and sloppy ports during last gen. Happens to all systems.

Would have liked them to release at least a screenshot of the wiiu version. Or at least a better time frame, like Q1 2015 or something.

If only Nintendo would have just put in an x86 cpu like everyone else did. Doubt we would be seeing these delays, cancellations or overall just not coming out for wiiu.

@Punished_Boss
Ah, okay I see what you mean. But the majority of the late PS3 ports were never announced to be coming to the PS3 at the same time they were announced for the 360 before they made their way to the PS3. ME1 was an 360 exclusive and not open for PS3 port for ages. Same with Bioshock. ME2 wasn't even announced that it was coming to PS3 until 7 months after it was released for the PS3 so I can't really agree with the equivalency here. What many complaining about the Wii U delays are upset about is this was announced at the same time then delayed by itself. I feel that is just as wrong to do with the 360 version of Titan Fall as I do with Watch_Dogs and Project Cars with Wii U. If you announce it at the same time, I feel it is only proper to release them at the same time, or at least within a verified time frame so as not to be disrespectful to the backers and new fans who are waiting for the game on their preferred console.

I think these examples are like how PS4 and XBOne get games and Wii U fans ask for them on the Wii U, but don't get them, while PS3 fans did. But the PS3 did get crappy ports in the beginning like the Orange Box so maybe there is hope.

However I don't think it is acceptable to feel just because this delay crap happened once that we should accept it as the standard. Companies job is to earn our money and no matter what one's console preference, I think we should make them work a little harder to get our cash.

Man, they should just delay all the versions to work it out. Maybe it won't make a difference; I dunno.

@ShadyKnights

I think you made a really good point. It's not the first time a game has been announced for Wii U and delayed because of other versions. And I think people just get irritated by that low priority treatment. Granted, low sales of western AAA games has left its mark, but that's irrelevant. If you announce a game for all systems, don't release it on every system but delay the Wii U.

It just boils down to the fact that Nintendo gamers feel insulted when their version is always the one delayed, always with the worst framerate, always missing at least one feature, always the one without a single screenshot or video clip until launch. Any gamer would be irritated if this sort of thing was happening on their primary console.

It's the larger picture that really explains things best though. Nintendo exclusives get remakes, but don't come to Nintendo platforms (Tales of Symphonia DotNW, Castlevania Mirror of Fate, Little Kings Story, Muramasa), and that's fine, but we're not seeing that reciprocated. Nintendo exclusives get delayed to accommodate a multi platform release (Rayman Legends), but other platform games are never delayed to release a Nintendo version.

Developers are quick to cut Nintendo features over low sales, but when those games tank on other consoles they not only get full versions, they announce sequels as well. Even when a game (RE Revelations) performs best on Nintendo platforms, the once-Nintendo exclusive gets a sequel on every console imaginable, but exclusively SKIPS Nintendo, the one platform the original did best on. Even games like Minecraft come to Vita, but not 3DS, which judging by age demographics makes little to no sense at all.

I can't say I blame anyone for feeling like they're treated like 2nd class gamers. Me, I quit caring, and learned not to take this sort of thing personally. I understand western style games don't sell well on Nintendo, but if a game is announced, I believe it should be treated equally. Just a little too coincidental that the Wii U version just so happens to be the one to get delayed, AGAIN.

Thought months back they were having problems with ps4 game and the U game was running at 60 fps no flaws and praising the U architechture.Think they wanted to give the other driving games competition before they release it on the U.and hopefully sell more than fora and the crew and whatever else,no driving games on U to say they want a share in that category(driving)

@1wiierdguy Expect, here is the problem. This has become the norm now and it is the same excuse which is probably only half true. Here is what I am assuming they are doing, They need to take longer to ensure the quality because they have not worked on the Wii U version, instead, they did the other two and THEN they start working to do the Wii U stuff. So in a sense, they would be telling the truth but at the same time, they don't bother working on the Wii U version just so they can put it out on the other systems first.

@MadAdam81 First of all I've been following this for about 2 years now. If the above stateMent were true why not give it at the time you delayed the game and not a month later. Its highly coincidence that they got a publisher then days later announced the delay. Plus why no Wii U trailers in the whole time It's been in development. It's all pr stuff they have to say but the timing is off and I don't believe them. They got a publisher then I'm certain were told to stop development on the U version. That's why I don't believe them.

@rbmoura85

I know exactly what you mean and what you're going through bro but we're different person with diferent personalities, but sure we're both consumers.I know exactly what you mean bro, I just have a different view to this situation but I totally get what you mean.I'm really bored right now to explain in detail.In short, If you can take all that spanking and still ok with it...umm...seems u're the Jeark ! haha

I will get this game. Hopefully they release dlc too (unlike some other devs that don't. Yes Activision that means you).

Why take this long to address the Wii U delay and fans concerns? Regardless im not interested anymore i want good quality games without the usual nintendo fans must wait rhetoric…Hive Jump sounds like my cup of tea and i will support it but not this

@WanderingPB

Talking about Hive Jump, the guys just finished the campaign and were successful. I decided to support them like in the last 48 hours.

And BTW, thank you for sharing your Mighty No 9 code the other day. I will decline it since as a backer I have a Wii U version code waiting for me, but surely someone else will take advantage of it.

@sinalefa there are a plethora of good indie games coming out and the eshop is filled with sum indie gems right now so i would rather support them than support anyone else who makes excuses especially when it comes to us "outcasted nintendo fans" LOL!

Hive jump has me really excited and im compelled to spread the good word and am very happy they got funded!

Your welcome and i believe someone else used the code already but im just waiting patiently for my physical Wii U copy of Mighty no9 to be delivered and enjoy it fresh out the box LOL! Glad to know ur a backer but at the same time not surprised im sure u weren't happy about the 1st print Bayo2 not comin to NA either…still i cant wait for it to be released im trying my best to spread the good word

Everybody here knows that the reasoning behind this was to finish both XB1 and PS4 versions along with the PC one first to hit the market by the time black friday and vacation took place. This and having something to compete with Forza Horizon 2 (not exactly the same experience, but it's a racer anyways) and some Forza 5 DLC. The Wii U version got delayed to ensure the manpower for the others versions unfortunately, nothing new here folks. Almost certain that's because Bandai Namco entered on the Publishing duties for this game.

@Punished_Boss
lol Okay so I did a little research and found out that Just Dance 2014 was actually released (NA) on the PS3, 360, Wii, and Wii U on Oct 1, 2013; PS4 Nov 15, XBOne Nov 22. However PS4 and XBOne versions launched the day the consoles launched. Apparently JD2015 is being released on the same day.

I'm glad most here aren't taking the attitude that we should "just be grateful" that a game is even coming to Wii U.

Now ultimately, when the game releases, we will all have to decide for ourselves if it's worth the money. If it is a solid port without any content cut...I would encourage people not to "boycott" it on release. At the same time, I would discourage anyone from buying this "just to support 3rd party" games. Buy a Lego game or a Platinum developed game if you want to support loyal 3rd parties.

@Action51
I hate that "just be grateful" mentality. That's like giving up one's rights as a consumer and not even asking for or demanding better content.

I agree with you though. Honestly I was annoyed that the game was pushed back, but since it would be hypocritical of me to treat them like other devs when they haven't showed the game yet I decided I would still give the game a shot. I'll be far less forgiving for any flaw I find in it since I have to wait for my preferred version of the game, but I'll wait and see what they do. However I don't think it unreasonable to demand some visuals for it after the other versions drop just so we can all know that they're actually making improvements and not just blowing smoke.

@WanderingPB

I am not happy but I won't let that hamper my enjoyment of the game.

@sinalefa agreed to me as a collector it would've been awesome to have but as a gamer being able to get Bayo 2 w/ the 1st Bayo is more than enough…my only conundrum is which one should i play first?

@Kuhang hehe ok

Wow, what a huge load of utterly thoughtless and unfounded comments here. I read them all and will in no particular order comment on what I know. Before I get a lot of flak from people let me explain that one of my colleagues was a beta tester (so he actually paid for the PC beta) and that it is actually very easy to get in touch with Slightly Mad via Twitter or email, and the guys are almost always willing to answer any questions you might have, so I'd say go ahead and find out for yourselves.

Now, as for all the criticism:
The Xbox 360/PS3 versions were dropped simply because they couldn't get the result that they wanted out of it and because it was pretty likely that most owners of those consoles were going to buy the next model anyway so instead of saying versions got entirely cancelled, it would be better and more appropriate to say that the Xbox 360/PS3 versions got moved to their newer siblings in order to make the most out of the game.

Now, as we all know those other two consoles are quite similar to PC's on the inside so people wondering why an Xbox One or PS4 version would be ready sooner than the Wii U version: there's your answer. Porting from the already finished PC version to those two consoles is fairly simple and little optimization is required.

And the whole crowd funding thing is nothing to be angry about if you're a Wii U owner, @Action51, since all funding has been done on PC, NOT on any console. There wasn't any kickstarter or something. Funding was done solely through their "World of Mass Development" website. And besides that, EVERY funder got a beta in return to download to PC, because that was/is also the whole idea behind this game: not only play the beta but also give feedback on what is good, bad and what is missing or what you would like to see in it, both car and track-wise.

As most of you will know the "CARS" in the name of the game is an acronym for "Community Assisted Racing Simulator" so community ASSISTED, not just funded. And the assisting couldn't have been done on consoles so that's why there are only beta testers on PC.

Andy Tudor is a VERY respectable person. Not only is he genuinely forthcoming with information when asked, there also isn't a single bad thing on his resume, in fact he's got quite the reputation in the field of racing sims so why should he be putting himself in a negative light right now over a single version of his current game?

And as for Capcom bombing the Wii U release: if you like to think only negative things, then that could be true to you, but according to me Capcom is hardly in a position to cancel ANY game, let alone a game that can make them some extra money, although seeing the comments here and estimating that NLife isn't the only site that has readers all outraged over this news, the number of sales of the Wii U version will probably be fairly minimal and to me that would be a huge disappointment, because Slightly Mad is a different kind of studio, so they don't deserve all this kind of anti-third party BS.

And for people wondering what the GamePad will be used for: in all applicable race types, the GamePad is your steering wheel with all wheel buttons displayed on the Pad. Just think Formula One detachable steering wheel, which happens to have a similar shape so putting these buttons and dials on the Pad was a given according to Tudor. Other proposed uses were (obviously) a map screen and rear view mirror and there has been talk of a pit crew communication system.

I do agree however that at least some images or footage of the Wii U version could have been shown, but it is what it is so we'll just have to wait and see. I for one am still quite confident that it will be released on Wii U and it will be a day one buy for me.

Maybe I'll try and get some answers again, it's been quite a while since I've emailed them but if I do then I'll promise you all that I will forward the information to NLife for it to be posted here. Should at the very least silence some of the negative Nancy's...

It would be nice to at least have some screen shots or an explanation of what Gamepad features they're implementing. Give us something to hang our hat on SMS! I'm buying this game not because of I feel "grateful" to be getting something from a third party but because I want to play a more sim like racer on my favourite console. I have all three current gen systems and any Multiplat that gets a Wii U release, that's is where I put my support.

Miyamoto-san once said, "A delayed game can eventually be good but a rushed game will forever be bad."
I haven't played a realistic racing game since Cruzin' USA on the N64 so I look forward to this next year. Also I only have enough for Bayonetta and Hyrule Warriors for right now.

@TheRealThanos - I understand that you're in communication with some of the dev team, and I have no reason to doubt your word that they are good people and want to make a great game, etc.

On the other hand...like clockwork, a big name third party publisher steps in and we hear the same old talk of delays and missing release dates for Wii U. It's kind of like hearing the same joke from five different people, then expecting the punchline to change on the sixth telling.

I really do believe you that your contacts at Slightly Mad Studios are good people, and while I congratulate them on being picked up by a big publisher, but there appears to be pressure from that publisher based on the timing of the announcements and past experiences with other big third party publishers.

@Action51 the funny thing is that they aren't exactly small fry themselves. They've made quite a few well known racing sims already and they are responsible for the two Need for Speed Shift games. Pretty good racers in their own right. Even if they themselves don't f**** up things, there is of course a chance that Capcom does screw us, but for some reason I don't think so and I also like to believe that. Not totally devoid of reason though, so maybe I will mail them to see if they're still as forthcoming with information at this stage of development...

I wouldn't deign to put them on the same heap as EA and Ubisoft though, both their company structure and way of publishing is totally different and they've always come across as very committed.

P.S.

They're not MY contacts, anyone can just get in touch with them in general. I wasn't in contact with the same person every time and my colleague the beta tester has also had some contact with them because of him having to give feedback and I sort of used him to put a question from me in between his feedback every now and then.

@TheRealThanos - Gotcha'

Didn't mean to imply anything with saying "your contacts" or anything, I just meant the people you have been in touch with.

@Action51 No worries man, I wasn't offended. Just thought I'd explain...

Nothing new here, it's a 3rd party game, bought enough of those for Wii U already.

@MajinSoul Uh, that's it? Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed says hello! That's a fantastic racer on the Wii U! In fact, I much prefer it to Most Wanted U. Most Wanted is a beautiful game, but frankly bores me.

BTW, there's some other racers on the Wii U like Fast & Furious: Showdown and Hot Wheels: Worlds Best Driver, but sadly they are complete crap.

@JaxonH

There's a simple answer to all of your points made: because Nintendo is no longer the player in this industry they once were.

Now, many (if not all) contributors to this site will probably disagree with me, but it's still the truth.

Nintendo does not demand respect from 3rd parties (especially western) any more. PlayStation. XBox. These are the names synonymous with gaming any more, like it or not.

I've said it a thousand times, I'll say it again: Nintendo, today, is the video game industry equivalent to what BlackBerry is to the cellphone industry. And that is, a big time player of yesteryear struggling to stay relevant in modern times.

@gatorboi352 I get what you're saying, and I'm not really disagreeing. But nonetheless, if a game is being made, it should be made right, or not made at all.

As for not being as relevant anymore, I wouldn't say that. Vita tanked yet Sony is still relevant as a company and their PS4. Wii U has had it rough but Nintendo is still very much relevant as a company and their 3DS. The only ones who think Nintendo isn't relevant are the ones who don't play Nintendo. But ask any of the 50 million 3DS owners or 7 million Wii U owners, or those who still play Wii and DS, and they'll tell you otherwise.

Only reason it seems that way is because AAA typically doesn't sell to Nintendo gamers, and those are the games with the mega budgets. Money brings clout, and dominates media topics and image. But just because the media and non-Nintendo gamers have the loudest voices, doesn't mean Nintendo gamers don't have a voice too