It was confirmed recently by Satoru Iwata, when revealing the New Nintendo 3DS models, that a port of Wii title Xenoblade Chronicles will be exclusive to the new hardware to utilise its improved CPU. It was unclear how common this would be, yet in today's surprise announcement of the hardware hitting Australia and New Zealand on 21st November, Nintendo Australia Managing Director Tom Enoki used the plural 'games' when referring to exclusives for the hardware, though only mentioned Xenoblade Chronicles for a 2015 release.
More interestingly, and dispelling any doubt that translations of the previous Japanese broadcast can raise, Enoki has made clear that multiple projects are in development that will offer improved experiences on the New systems — this suggests that they'll be available across the whole 3DS 'family', but will be preferable on the latest hardware.
You can of course play all previously release Nintendo 3DS titles on New Nintendo 3DS; the gameplay and graphics for these titles will not change by playing them on the new consoles. But we have already started developing new titles where gameplay can be improved and graphics enhanced only from playing on New Nintendo 3DS.
We already know that Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS will only allow direct access to Miiverse on the New models, being unable to do so on the existing hardware. These comments from the latest Nintendo Direct will raise concerns of splitting and fracturing the 3DS userbase, however, especially if there are a significant number of these games that offer differing experiences across the systems; it could be divisive. Much will depend on the nature of the differences and number of games, but this could be a risky move by Nintendo in alienating some existing customers.
Let us know what you think of this in the comments below. If you want to see the sequence in question, watch the video below from the 5 minute and 30 seconds mark.
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That's it. Sorry old Zelda XL, I'll wait for the New Metroid XL for me and get a white N3DS for my kid.
I was gonna buy the Zelda XL with my 15% discount coupon which expires this Friday. LOL thanks to NLife for the coverage. I'm glad I intended to wait until Friday. This isn't the first time. I was gonna buy the Luigi XL for 149€ then came the Japanese N3DS Direct last August. It's a double sign!
Exactly what I wanted.
Hahaha what a load of crap!
If there is one company that is good at confusing customers, it's Nintendo!
Not worth the upgrade IMHO. I think it's pretty bad form from Ninty giving us a half-way model to the next gen 3DS, and bit of a marketing ploy to make fans spend more money for which frankly isn't that much.
It's sounds like this is referring to game development which is improved on the New 3DS therefore having exclusive games not enhanced ports
@Kit @Beetlejuice might i ask what makes you think the upgrade isn't worth it?
@Frapp What the hell did we do?
Can't stand the way people complain about the new model, just look at Apple for God sake. Quit your moaning and buy the new model in a year or two.
As an adult with a job, I'll be getting the new one in the summer time.
@RainbowGazelle You ruined Scotland!
(Please get the Simpsons reference).
im still all about the new pokemon, but other than that, im not drinking nintendo's New Cool-aid Shtick.
I didn't. I'm one of the 45.
@Mega719
First Nintendo makes the Wii U, which confuses consumers and makes them think it's an add-on to the Wii, or that Wii U games will be playable on a Wii. Then now they are releasing a 'new' 3DS which is a slight upgrade over the old version, and which will have games that are only playable on it, thus confusing more people.
This 'new' system sounds awful. It's like a 3DS version 1.3 rather than 2.0. It's hardly an upgrade at all.
@Beetlejuice you don't even know what is releasing on the system how can you say it's a "slight upgrade"
So Nintendo, let's see.
The 3DS had poor hardware, at least poor CPU, right?
But you overpriced it nonetheless.
Ok, expect me to buy your next console...
I have an idea - since all Nintendo machines are backwards-compatible, we can all just wait for the 4DS, og 3DS2 or what it'll be called, skip this farce and play the games we want on even better hardware
Im happy with this , N3DS here i come !
What about normal DS games, will they still be playable?
@Mega719 but it IS a "slight upgrade", I agree with @Beetlejuice its a revision of an existing system rather than a whole new model. The added benefits are very small, new nipple stick (woo), faster processor so webpages load quicker and downloads are faster (big deal), improved graphics well not 'that' improved really (not like next gen). System specific game(s) which the rest of us can't play unless we buy the 'new' version 3DS... to answer the original question 'Yes it does alienate existing customers'. So what makes it worth upgrading? Not alot IMHO.
@Frapp I meant it in a light way as well. I should have added a smiley. "What the hell did we do? "
@dAviD7: Yes, except for those which require the use of GBA slot (such as the Guitar Hero: On Tour series).
only Nintendo can get away with this, if Sony or Microsoft tried the same thing the internet would crucify them
This was what I was hoping to hear. Developers don't want to gamble on splitting the market, so 3DS owners will still get great 3DS games that push the hardware, while new 3DS owners will get extra graphics power beyond what norm'ed 3DS can handle.
In short, current 3DS owners can still play games, with the only exception so far being Xenoblade.
If Ninty launched a Mario or Zelda game exclusive to this New 3DS, then everyone will upgrade!
I believe Nintendo will make Splatoon for the New 3DS, now that it has the extra buttons and nub to be compatible with the WiiU. I can't wait to replace my Old 3DS with the New 3DS!
@DualWielding Except Nintendo's not getting away with it. We're on Nintendo Life here and I see more people against it than for it. And half of the people that are for it are only so because they don't want to miss out on any games and have the money to be able to buy it when it hits shelves.
If Sony or Microsoft did it, I'm sure we'd see pretty much the same arguments.
I'm more for Nintendo than the other two, and I'm not sure if/when I'll be getting the New 3DS. I'd have to save up to buy it outright because I would need to be able to system transfer. I do have two 3DSs, so I could system transfer to the broken one, trade in the one that doesn't have the cracked screen, and system transfer to the New 3DS once it's in my house. That's not all though, I'd have to buy a Micro SD card and an adapter for it so I could transfer my SD card stuff.
I'll probably only jump on the New 3DS if there aren't any games I want that need it. Xenoblade Chronicles is cool, but I managed to get the Wii version before it shot up to $80-90. On top of that, I'm planning on getting Xenoblade Chronicles X, while it won't be the same game, it will be vastly superior to a 3DS port of a Wii game.
TL:DR I will only get the New 3DS if more than 3 games come out for it that I really want. Preferably a 3D Zelda (original to the N3DS), Metroid (I would hope the extra CPU would allow for a Prime game, but a 2D wouldn't be bad if done well), and an interesting new IP.
This will be like every other time nintendo has done a mid life hardware step up. Some games will have minor improvements but the rest of the playerbase will still be able to play. Games like xenoblade wont be the norm.
Good stuff, now a real reason to upgrade from my original 3DS.
Also MH4 looks like it won't break my hands now.
@Mega719 Wait until a new Metroid is finally unveiled. Or its secret function of streaming both Wii U gamepad and TV screen images, so you can play any game off-tv. Just guessing, but it's probably going to be worth it no matter what. Nintendo knows what they're doing.
Should this happen, I look forward to playing ZombiU this way!
It's better than them moving on to the next generation you whiners, because I and Nintendo are not ready for that.
>mfw australia gets something before the west
seriously, how often does that happen? Good for you guys!
@shambo
more wii u/3ds connectivity would be awesome
MM3D for the N3DS. Just to troll!
God, stop whining, look at Apple. The majority of games still work on four year old iPhone 4, they just have simpler graphics/less effects. I'm sure it will be the same with New 3DS.
The only way this makes a difference is if a large percentage of the userbase makes the upgrade and there's more software that only runs on the new model. So far we have only one title which apparently won't run on anything but and it's a niche release.
Comparisons with the iPhone seem appropriate. Is the 3DS/2DS to continue on for years to come without major changes? Could be a new, cheaper direction for Nintendo which isn't as dependent upon big launch days but rather a steady stream of hardware revenue.
It seems to me that there are more than a few upgrades and I definitely will get one day one the improved 3D screen is a huge upgrade in it's self not to mention the face plates and the new screen themes which I think are AWESOME ., wireless connectivity with PC - AWESOME., A better browser with video play YES .., etc.., it's not like the 3DS just came out this year it seems to me it's well over due for an upgrade - Thank You Nintendo now give us a release date for the US .
This is actually different from the DSi situation because the DSi didn't actially have improved graphics. I'm still on the fence about whether I want to upgrade or wait til next gen. I need more information and examples to see the difference for myself first.
This information is kind of useless without any examples.
Yep, this is bull crap if you ask me. We as a society are conditioned to upgrade every couple of years and now Nintendo has gone full force. It's the dividing if the user base I have the biggest problem with. I have this thing called the CPP they don't seem to be interested in using. Exclusive games even one is a problem in my book. This is called being forced to upgrade and I have a bad feeling the next Metroid will only be available on this new 3ds! Bad move Nintendo.
Another bad move is releasing Smash long before this here and without features for how long till the new system comes out? Talking about handicapping a new release.
I think with this New 3DS model we'll be seeing more FPS(first person shooter) games as in Metroid, Call of Duty, Cult County(by Renegade Kid), Dementium(also by Renegade Kid), etc. I'm up for this new system and am anxious to see what new games will be developed for it. I think I'm going to hold off on buying it right away until I get a better view of the "new" types of games that will be coming out for it.
Calling it the "new" 3DS in English speaking countries is beyond dumb. I'm still going to get it if it has good exclusives though.
Need I remind you all of the Gameboy Colour?
Enhanced gameplay
Updated graphics
Exclusive games
No need to get your knickers in a twist. Now I know the revision of the Game-Boy came a long time after the Game-Boy release, but the 3DS hardware is already getting pretty knackered and this revision allows Nintendo to give you more portable games that weren't possible on the regular 3DS. (God, I sound like a Nintendo PR guy.)
I feel alienated already. Imagine if Nintendo make a new Metroid game for this but it wouldn't work on the original 3DS. I bought a 3DS XL less than a year ago. And hearing talk of improved cpu and better graphics seems like a huge FU to current 3DS owners. They should have waited and released a "Brand New" handheld system not this minor upgrade.
I've held off buying any new 3DS system until now. I've been waiting for Nintendo to release a version with the four shoulder buttons and a second circle pad. I guess this "new" 3DS is the model i've been waiting for. So more than likely i'll pony up the dough and get it. I still have my original day one purchased 3DS. It's been good to me and still play on it from time to time.
@RainbowGazelle Not quite the reference I was going for. ;P
It's a bit harsh to say the 55% ruined Scotland. People vote for what's safe and familair, and this referendum was no different. Scotland stood to gain no matter what the outcome.
I'm anti-monarchy and therefore believe there is no reason why Scotland should be united with the rest of Britain. But I didn't get a vote, so...
I'm okay with this, I've come to expect it after the Gameboy Color and the DSi.
Developers tend not to produce these exclusive upper-end titles unless it is truly necessary, else they'll shoot for the broader market and add perks for the upper-end users.
@Grimlock_King
My suggestion if I may: Keep your current system in good condition. If you have a job, start putting aside $20 per pay check. By the time the new 3DS comes out here in NA or in Europe, you should have more than enough $$ for it. It you don't work, hopefully you have an allowance. Save your allowance. Your current system can also be traded in to lower the cost of the new 3DS. I think that the new system will be released around June 2015 as was the current 3DS was released in June. That's my suggestion, that's what I plan to do anyways.
Sounds good. I won't be upgrading until they make it worth my while, though. I have little interest in replaying Xenoblade with 400x240, even with added 3D.
I understand why some people are mad, but I think their frustration is misplaced. The 3DS is at an age where its successor could be announced next week. The fact that it's getting an upgrade means it will probably be around for at least a couple more years (I think they'll replace it and the Wii U at similar times in around 3 years). As of right now, Nintendo's not abandoning the current 3DS either, despite what some people might say. All we know right now is that one Wii port is exclusive to the new 3DS. There will be future exclusives, of course, as well as games with enhanced features, but right now we have no reason to think the current 3DS will be dropped, especially for big releases.
As some have already said...just look at other devices out in the market now. The iphone, ipad, kindle fire, 3DS to name a few. These devices change at least once every year. You don't have to buy every single device that comes out with an upgrade or revision. I have an original Kindle Fire, first generation still. I have no need to upgrade to the newest and greatest as my original Fire does exactly what I need it to do. Same with my original 3DS model, it still plays all 3DS games. It's up to the consumer to decide, should I go for this revised model, or wait to see what's coming in the next few months?
OK... now i foresee Metroid.
@VolcanoFlamesNL
That's the spirit!!!
As long as GameStop has a good "trade-in your regular 3DS XL for credit towards the new 3DS XL" deal, I'm okay with upgrading.
I'll bite when there's a great monster hunter new 3ds bundle here. That monster hunter 4 ultimate new 3ds xl is awesome.
Reminds me if SEGA had actually made that stand alone 32X console, with its slightly upgraded Megadrive games... just kidding!
I guess here though, the same games will work (mostly), but support dual analogue on the newer system, and maybe some slight performance improvement.
I think its another option, if my 3DS broke I'd maybe get one.
As an upgrade, it doesnt impress me as much as the original DS Lite, which I bought after one shop demo, even though I had the original DS.
@Kit - You forgot built in NFC. Any 3DS game that has amiibo support will by default be a better experience on the new 3DS, which they better rename to avoid all this confusion. 3DSn solves everything.
I'm a bit turned off to it but as long as no must have titles become N3DS exclusive like Pokemon it will be fine.
1. I'm not rich enough to go buy a new $200 system, which isn't really Nintendo's problem but still kind of annoying being a loyal fan.
2. Who in the world thought this was a good name for this?
Still not on board with this revision thing. These new 3DS models come out as often as cell phones. Why they can't keep one system in the generation like most consoles I'll never know why.
Also, whoever's in charge of naming consoles should be fired.
My guess (or hope really) is that these are "enhanced" versions, meaning slightly better graphics/new modes when played on the New 3DS's. Similar to how the N64 expansion pack worked, this would be the best case scenario, only releasing a select few that need the extra horsepower. Here's hoping this is what happens
Honestly, if most of the "only for New 3DS" games were digital eshop purchases, it would save a lot of headaches, similar to how iphone/android games won't run on all phones, but there difference being, that these games would just not appear on the standard 3DS eshop. Something to think about.
I'm all for it, haters gonna hate.
Awesome. The more the better! I'm ready for some better looking games, and more complex games.
Can anyone explain to me how this is supposedly worse or more divisive of the fanbase than releasing an entirely new console? I mean, they're giving the people that want/can afford it a significant upgrade (which is THE SAME THING that happens when a new system launches), but they're still including everyone who can't/doesn't want to upgrade (which NEVER HAPPENS when releasing anew system). Literally, everybody wins here. Plus, it still feels just a little early for a brand new system. If they were to cut of 3DS support in favor of making games for the new, HD, time-traveling Nintendo 4DS, fans would throw their hands up in rage at Nintendo abandoning their system so quickly. This New 3DS, instead, gives people what they want without penalizing those that don't want it.
The games people play on normal 3DSes will be exactly the same as the games that would have been made if the New 3DS never existed. The games people play on the New 3DS will be made the way its adopters (like myself) feel they ought to have been made in the first place. Nobody loses.
Hey, Nintendo... be smarter.
If improved means 60fps I want it.
@RoomB31 Exactly! If the way they said is how they actually intended, and not some unfortunate translation error, it means they can be playable in the Old 3DS:
"new titles where gameplay can be improved and graphics enhanced only from playing on New Nintendo 3DS."
Note how "only on the new 3DS" is not said.
I'm happy for the australian users to get the new 3DS earlier. But a thing I don't get is that they say that the New 3DS XL don't gets changable faceplates because of it's luxury design. I wonder when the first golden plates are about to be released.
I want a bigger screen AND my own faceplates...
Oh, and one last thing: Shouldn't european games word on the australian device? I mean they should have the same regioncode. With that more time to a european release I may import a special design from AUS, when there are some when the european release is. (and the games run on it.)
@Larryislife Not even remotely the same thing as the Color was released a DECADE after the original GB, whereas this is only 3. Major difference. And Color added color to games (well duh) but this only gives us a CPU upgrade, which will likely not add more than a smoother framerate, larger draw distances and possibly multitasking features.
Give us a trade in incentive to upgrade to the "new" hardware. Not you Gamestop, I'm talking to Nintendo. I will get the new system regardless but consumers should not be pleased by this.
I'll buy a N3DS, just for the enhanced/exclusive games. My launch 3DS will still be my main handheld....
I have a bad feeling of how this'll go down. I mean, I'm definitely buying it, but given the launches of the Wii U and 3DS...I'm a little worried. Especially since I can just see people thinking it's just the XL model.
@LunaticPandora But I did talk about the length of the Game-Boy's life. I also gave a counter-point. The way technology is improving, the 3DS is already starting to look somewhat dated to some people. Everything you said about what the New 3DS will give us is good. What exactly have you got against it? They'd be stupid to stop supporting the old 3DS; you're only missing out on games that wouldn't be possible on the old 3DS.
Well, the original 3DS is 3 years old, so I don't see why it's not the time to "upgrade" to a new 3DS system.
I'm still going to buy it to be on the "safe side". As for everyone here that didn't believe me, that was bound to happen......I TOLD YOU SO!!!
I'll get the new 3DS when it eventually comes to the states but I really wished that they updated the resolution of the screens. 400 x 240 is pretty low (the resolution is 800 x 240 in 3D mode, 400 x 240 for 2 images).
By the time many can assemble the money to purchase this, it'll b time for the next handheld . Making exclusive 3ds games, considering it isnt the next gen handheld ninty console, is a poor move.
Nintendo should have game work on the 3DS, but the cart will hold exclusive content if used on the New 3DS
@Kit They literally did this twice during the DS lifespan, with the DS Lite and the DSi (not to mention the DSi XL). This is pretty common for their handhelds, and should come as no surprise to anyone.
@DualWielding Microsoft and sony do weirder stuff, honestly. There are two models of Wii. Two of wii u, but only the harddrive size is different.
For PS3- 7 models. This one plays PS2 games, this does not, this one does but only on tuesdays, this one plays Ps1 games, this one does not.
5 models of 360. This plays old xbox games, this does with patches, this does not play old xbox games, only 360 games. This has built in wifi, this does not.
Etc, etc.
@DualWielding yeah cause Sony and Microsoft have never released hardware revisions before. Not like the Vita Slim that came out this year, or the Black 360s a few years back. Or the 3 different models of PS3 floating around out there.
Hardware revision helps boost sales when momentum slows down. Everyone does it.
This article makes me feel better about buying the SSB 3DS XL this week. I know it was a bit indulgent but I really like the design and I want to be able to play Smash and other multi-player games with friends when they come over. This article reaffirmed that I can wait a year or so to buy the N3DS XL. 1) That price is extremely high at $249.99; especially when Nintendo is struggling to sell Wii U consoles. Your console should not be a little higher in price than your handheld. 2) Running out and buying a N3DS is pointless without the games. As Mr. Enoki points out, 3DS games released before the N3DS will not see any change in graphics. Your games will look and play the same. 3) I don't want a new console to play a port of a game that is 6 years old. If they come out with new games that look incredible (ex. MH4), I may splurge for a N3DS in a year or so. I want to see at least 4-5 games before I decide to buy a N3DS. I can keep my current 3DS XL and use that $250 towards a PS4 which will have a price drop in 1 year. Sorry Nintendo, I'm not convinced about this new system.
I'm sorry but i think this is stupid and is only gonna confuse the parents and non NLife gamers...
Improved 3D, bigger screen on the smaller model, second thumbstick, and speedier menu/online is really all they needed to sell me on it. Got my black 3DS at launch and it's getting a little stale/worn.
Also, @mjhopkins81 is right. This trend goes back to the original Game Boy, which had multiple iterations released, continued with the Game Boy Advance/SP/SP+/Micro, DS/Lite/DSi/XL, and now they're doing it with the 3DS.
The real outrage here is that Australia/New Zealand are getting this before the west!
@IxnayontheCK I guess I'm not the only one who thinks so.
I think what people are missing is that he said enhanced graphics. Perhaps the games will play, but not be as pretty as the old 3DS. I'll be the first to point out that the title for the new model is very confusing, but let's be honest the majority of people of a type that are commenting on a Nintendo only news site are going to buy it regardless.
Either way I'll be picking it up. I've never regretted buying a Nintendo handheld.
Guess I'm gonna have to get it... Welk, I got my firsy and only 3DS on the original's release so I guess I can spare the expenses
It seems like a substantial improvement to me, i'm excited. I'm suprised people are so upset, the only things they'll miss out on wouldn't have been possible before or they can just wait to play next gen. IMO DSiware was the only real significant thing added with the DSi so i didn't really care about it, the New 3DS adds improved screen, buttons, speed, and style plus Amiibo functionality (i doubt i use that much at all). I see little downside, maybe 1 less 1st/2nd party game a year for the existing 3DS model.
What about this backlight battery saving feature in the video i hope you can turn this rubbish off because in the video the screen looks really murky and dim does not look good.
I still think its stupid that for $200 the console doesn't include a charger.
@TeeJay Not sure where you heard that. That New 3DS makes zero improvements in the graphics department.
This'll be bad for people who can't upgrade
Also, the name is still New 3DS?
@C-Olimar Oh right. I think I know the reference you meant.
Why is nintendo doing this to their customers? I've been a loyal nintendo fan since the 90's, and not until now am I having problems with nintendo. It seems like all they care about is money. This new 3DS is basically a big slap in the face to everyone who recently bought a 3ds, including myself. And if they are going to update the 3ds, why not add more features? Nintendo, this is BS and you know it. If anyone would like to talk about this issue, please email me: [email protected]
Basically saying that in addition to a few exclusives, going forward they'll be releasing New 3DS-enhanced games that can still be played on the old hardware but are better on the new one. Just like the old DSi-enhanced games such as the Japan-only Fire Emblem Shin Monshou no Nazo Hikari to Kage no Eiyuu.
@Nintendofan83
Just to be sure, are you Australian? You DO realize these are Australian prices right? As in, they're not gonna be this high once they bring this to America.
In a time when Nintendo is struggling I don't understand this move at all. I got a DSi after I got a DS and was a bit disappointed. I never really saw the advantage. I'm not going to buy a new 3DS for a confusing experience again. Also, it isn't 3DSi, it's just a "new" 3DS? This is just weird. Are they coming out with a New Wii U tomorrow that I can play Zelda Wii U on? Totally weird moves here Ninty.
@bizcuthammer The thing is, the later revisions of the PS3, Xbox 360, PSP, and Vita did not get exclusive games that would not work on older hardware. Someone could buy Destiny and play it on a launch PS3 provided they have the room to install it on the HD. The PSP went through 5 revisions, and games worked the same across all versions of hardware. Ghost of Sparta and MGS: Peace Walker worked on a launch era PSP just as well as a PSP-3000.
The Xbox 360 is a little dicer since the older models lacked an HD, but its the same concept. Newer games will work on older versions of the same hardware.
The issue is not a hardware revision, the issue is that Nintendo is selling the New 3DS as another revision of the 3DS hardware, but cutting out a segment of the market that own older 3DS consoles with games like Xenoblade.
You brought up the Vita, but again its the same thing as the PSP. Newer Vita games work across both models, there is no "Well, Borderlands 2 will only work on the Vita-2000" nonsense.
This is why people are upset. Nintendo is trying to sell a hardware revision as a new console that plays exclusive games. Its a stopgap system, that will likely be replaced once the 3DS' real successor is ready to go.
The problem is that Nintendo is splitting they market and their userbase with the stunt. Do you think Microsoft would have been given a free pass with something like "Well, Halo 4 will only work with the Xbox 360 S" or Sony with "Well, The Last of Us will only work with the Super Slim PS3s!"
No, and reality is, no company should get away with this. Halo 4 and The Last of Us work fine with older Xbox 360 and PS3 models, because doing so would have split the userbase.
But now, Nintendo is basically leaving older 3DS owners out in the cold with this stunt.
Hardware revisions are a good thing, they allow a company to fix issues with older versions of hardware, integrate newer tech into their consoles, and keep the system fresh in the eyes of consumers.
But hardware revisions should never split up a userbase. What purpose does the New 3DS serve? Its nothing more then a stopgap console, just like the DSi before it. If Nintendo was going to make games exclusive to new hardware, why not wait a bit and put out the real successor to the 3DS?
I hope the new hardware makes it possible to play as Ice Climbers on SSB with a character DLC pack or something. That'd be awesome.
As long as the games work on the older 3DS and 2DS systems, and just work better or differently on the new ones, that's fine. Sorta like how Game Boy Color games would play in color on a GBC, but if they were the black carts, they'd play fine on the original Game Boy
@Larryislife
+1
The current 3DS held back the inclusion of the Ice Climbers in Smash because of technical limitations. Look at how assist trophies are only 30fps while the main fighters are 60fps. Who knows how many games are being kept on hold or unable to go forward in development because the hardware is not allowing it.
This is where the New 3DS comes in. It's not like Nintendo will release exclusive N3DS games from now on. I'm guessing only a handful of games will be released where it's made possible with the New 3DS specs.
All that matters to me is that America gets the white model N3DS.
I'll not be happy if we end up with burnt magenta and olive green colors.
Its good to see it coming out outside of Japan now. Cant wait to hear a US release date ^_^
I'm not going to go full "All aboard the hate-train" yet, but i bought the 3DS twice already (regular one and XL to accommodate my large hands), and if the "enhancements" and exclusives end up being too big, and the regular ol' 3DS XL gets treated like second-rate i will be very annoyed and will certainly keep it in mind when considering future Nintendo purchases...
@BensonUii
My guess is that the majority of games from now on will continue to be built on the old hard, with some games working on the old hardware but with improvements when played on the New 3DS, and only a select few games will be exclusive to New 3DS so that they can use the full potential of the new hardware without having to worry about supporting the older, weaker 3DS.
I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar that Nintendo will release the reboot of Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask on this new 'New 3DS' console especially since it's gonna have improved graphical power and all. I'm gonna reserve the New 3DS as soon as it goes on sale at GameStop.
3DS 32X would be an ideal name
Brace yourselves for 'new' New Super Mario Bros. Only on the all new 'new' Nintendo 3DS!
Wow. I mean, wow.
I'll get a New 3DS only if it's the next handheld and it's meant to spend a four-year life cycle. If it's the 3DS equivalent to the DSi, then I'm so not falling for this one.
My portable Shulk is going to be the Smash one. (What do you mean with "You said the same about Kirby in the Triple Deluxe review and bought Triple Deluxe anyway while waiting for Smash"? Shut up!)
It'll probably be as compelling as all those DSi-"enhanced" games. You know, like Solatorobo, where the enhancement was...you could take a selfie to use as your save icon. Woooooo....
All the same, Flipnote and various DSiWare made the DSi worth it to me. "But you could have just bought the DSiWare on the 3DS!" You're not listening, I mentioned Flipnote.
@AVahne
Exactly what I was thinking.
Old 3DS = around 45M units sold. N3DS has none. Nintendo especially 3rd party devs would be stupid not to cater for majority of their user base. Who knows after 2-3 years we'll have the proper successor to the 3DS.
@AdmiralThrawn What? Am I supposed to applaud Nintendo and blindly cheer them on no matter what they do? I have bought their consoles since the NES, I own a 3DS and 2DS. I have every right to voice my opinion as a consumer.
I don't get it, I'm a whiner because I'm not blindly hopping on the "Everything Nintendo does is great bandwagon!"
I have a legimite point. This is the first hardware revision that looks to outright screw over consumers who own the older hardware.
But let's play a little devil's advocate for a moment. How badly would Microsoft and Sony get bashed if they pulled something like this? Suppose Halo 4 had only worked on the new Xbox 360 S models. Would that have been ok?
This is a stopgap, and there is concern Nintendo will make games "exclusive" to the new 3DS to ensure people buy the new model. The DSi had a shop, but older DS owners could still play retail games. Right now, Xenoblade is being dangled as a carrot to get people to buy a stopgap system.
How long before the carrot becomes a Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, or Fire Emblem game? Even better, how long before the true 3DS successor gets announced and makes the New 3DS irrelevant? The Dsi came out in 2009 and less then a year later, the 3DS was being shown of.
But I love how you just dismiss all my arguments as whining. Because apparently, I have no right to voice my opinion about products that I have bought.
This is a cash grab plain and simple, and you apparently missed the other point I was trying to make. The post that I responded to made the argument that everyone does hardware revisions. And they have a point, Sega, Sony, Microsoft, all of them have offered hardware revisions.
But the point I was trying to make was that Peace Walker worked on all PSPs, regardless of the model. Destiny works on pretty much all PS3s. There is no game being put out that splits the userbase like this.
But Nintendo is doing that, they are dangling an exclusive game that can't work on older hardware like a carrot to go buy a hardware revision. The NEW 3DS is a hardware revision.
And before someone brings up the Game Boy Color, I was playing games when the Game By Color was out. Nintendo treated it like a new system rather then a mere upgrade or hardware revision.
Maybe the New 3DS will turn out like that. But I don't appreciate my opinions being slammed as whining. I spend money on a product, I have every right to voice my opinion about what a company does. Especially when they put out new versions of hardware that cuts away at a userbase and splits it.
@AVahne
I'm actually Canadian and our dollar is right on par with the Australian dollar these days. Here is a quick link if you'd like to check it out.
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=250&From=AUD&To=CAD
$250 AUS is about $245 CAD or about $230 USD. The new SSM 3DS XL I just bought was $199.99 CAD. That's a pretty significant increase in price.
I can't imagine the difference being very significant if they have to adhere to the 3DS' limitation. Unless it's a game like Pokemon in which case the minor stuff like framerate and the lack of a camera actually matters.
So, some games will work better on it.
We already knew that.
How is that "splitting the user base"?
I'm not too sure about this. They better not be making the main games (I'm think Pokemon/Mario/Animal Crossing) exclusive on this new 3DS. I'm not going to buy it- I already have a DS Lite, a DSi, and a 3DS. I don't need a 4th DS. Everyone in my family will think I am completely obsessed and that I'm an idiot for spending this much money. I hope this is like the DSi situation where the few exclusive games that came out weren't the main ones.
Meh a few can still mean three everyone is assuming it will be like 10 a year. What a joke. :3
Whatever, just another reason to buy one. Get with it people, it's time to upgrade.
@Shambo what does that have to do with this?
People always gotta criticize Nintendo hardware ideas until they actually realize what it really is. People called 3DS a failure yet look at it now. Now we are getting a stronger remodel yet people aren't convinced. Watch huge games make it to the system making people feel stupid for doubting it
@Mega719 it's a reaction on reaction #7 and #14, the people saying this is 'not worth it' have, like you said, not a single clue about what it'll bring or do. Neithet do we, of course.
It doesn't bother me with this release. I'll be interested in getting it when there's a game or two released for it that I'm interested in but until that point I probably won't get one unless my current 3DS goes belly up. I use my Wii U more than my 3DS anyhow. It is not like this new system will make all the current games stop working, and developers will continue to release targeting the original 3DS hardware for a while.
I have an ambassador 3ds and looking at all the upgrades the 3ds has had over the years, from the CPP to the XL, all the special edition consoles and the 2ds, I've definitely been tempted to upgrade and I'm glad I waited. while the N3ds definitely smells of "stop gap for the next handheld being announced at the end of 2015" I still want it, since its pretty much garunteed to be the last iteration of the system and I won't have to worry about any more revisions before the next handheld (like what more can they add to it without making it a whole new system?)
I probably won't get the next handheld as early as I did the 3ds so I'll have the N3ds to hold me over until the second revision of that new console comes along. there's a decent backlog for me to play through and I'd rather play it on this new improved best iteration of the system than my old, wobbly hinge, screen scratched ambassador.
I think it will be worth it to upgrade if there is a high trade in value on current 3ds models towards a new system and if remote play with the wii u will be possible. A could based save system would be nice as well but I guess wireless uploading to a PC is enough. NNID accounts on more than one handheld would be nice too. Basically everything the vita does.
Since my 3ds is getting a bit worn out this doesn't affect me as much especially with the new features. I wonder how it's games on both 3ds models'll be playing out in the future...
I don't see myself upgrading to this. I already upgraded to the XL long ago. I understand that some games can only be played on a N3DS, but from the sound of it, others will still be playable on a regular 3DS. they just won't be "enhanced", much like games that supported both GB and GBC. When the true next-gen handheld comes out, it'll have what the N3DS has and more, so any games that I didn't get to play "enhanced", I will then.
This is to keep 3DS competitive until the release of the new more closely related pair of hardware releases (now that the handheld and console teams have been merged)
end of 2016: Next Gen Nintendo Handheld
end of 2017 Next Gen Nintendo Console
My question is whether they will try to release the "Quality of LIfe" platform in 2015 as planned. Nintendo has a lot of work to do, but they seem to be getting hungry. So, good.
This whole "new" 3DS thing is not a huge issue. People will wait who want to. If you don't want to wait your device will resell pretty well. The selection of games might be annoying though.
You know what the big issue is going to be. That next handheld may be a very different hardware/software platform in order to be more like the console. That means that, for the first time, backwards compatibility may be compromised.
@Shambo
Here's what we know....
-The 'new' 3DS comes with another circle pad which is incompatible/useless with most of the 100+ 3DS games already out, and is only functional with a handful of older 3DS games which used the circle pad pro
-it has a slightly better CPU, which does nothing to improve older games, and likely won't improve the systems visuals much on new games (the screen is still the same resolution) either.
-the 3D feature is slightly improved, which isn't much of a selling point since many people don't use the 3D anyway
This 'new' 3DS just sounds like a stop gap between now and whatever the 3DS' true successor will be.
And Nintendo hasn't had much luck selling non-essential hardware add-ons in the past either. The circle pad pro, N64 expansion pak, GBA link cable, wii microphone, etc all flopped because they didn't add much, and weren't utilized enough. If only a few games come out for the 'new' 3DS that people like, is that enough for them to want to pay for a slight upgrade? I doubt it.
This whole thing is confusing as hell, even for someone like me who understands the situation. Because these things are likely still a year away, and we have no idea what to expect, so I have no idea if I should buy a regular 3DS or not. It could be that all first party releases from now on will be significantly better on the New 3DS. Or it could just be 2 games.
@DualWielding didn't you forget? Sony did the same thing with the Vita and I didn't hear many people complain about it. Microsoft did the same thing with the Slim models of the XBox & 360 and the One (they took out mandatory Kinect). So sorry but that's flawed logic there.
If you don't want the NEW 3DS that's fine but to say Sony and Microsoft didn't do it either is a crock!!!!!!
@Pokefanmum82
The Vita change was only a simple design revision, much like the 3DSXL (but less drastic). It had no advantage over a regular Vita other than a slightly smaller size and 1GB built in memory. Both hardware versions still play the same games.
Same goes for the 360/Slim. Both systems played the EXACT SAME GAMES.
So to compare the Vita slim to a 'new' 3DS is ridiculous. The 'new' 3DS will be able to play games that the original model could not. That's nothing like what the Vita/360 did. Talk about 'flawed logic'.....!
It's more similar to Sega's garbage add-on, 32X. Something that was in between a Genesis and Saturn, but something that wasn't enough of a change to make people want to buy it. I bet this will be the same thing.
If they keep this "enhance" and "improve" they won't break the fan base very hard. But if they start pumping great games for the New 3DS then they are going to be in trouble. The bright side is that everything that was announced for 2015 is available for the old 3DS. Which means that 3DS customers are going to have at least an year before they really force us to change.
@NavySpheal I totally agree with every sentence you wrote.
But will the new 3ds games work on an old 3ds?
@Beetlejuice I was talking about upgrades to hardware, not about software. Nintendo did this before with dsi having some games that were enhanced when playing on the DSi. This is nothing new and Nintendo isn't forcing you to buy the NEW 3DS. second we don't know the full extent of this at all. So I think it's a little soon to be jumping to conclusions. But anyways I'm out. I just want to say let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.
I want a NEW 3DS and can't wait for it to come here. I just hope they are really careful with these enhanced games deal.
I ordered an XL last night, now cancelled due to this announcement.
wait, in Japan the XL system is 22,800 yen, approx. $172 USD. The New XL is sold in Australia/NZ for approx. $222 USD. Why is it more expensive in Australia/NZ?
Happy to buy a New 3DS, my original one from 2011 could do with an upgrade.
@Beetlejuice #140 Kindly allow me to counter most of the points you made. I have no idea where you got the info from, but surely not from NLife, so it's not what we know so far but more what we guess so far...
First off, you can remove the word "slightly" from your points on the improved CPU and 3D effect: the CPU is quite the upgrade, otherwise a game such as Xenoblade couldn't be played on such a humble handheld, so they must have done something to make a large improvement to preserve the higher frame rate, the better graphics and the expansive world that Xenoblade consists of. Secondly, the 3D is actually vastly improved: it was tested and the original sweet spot (which could be quite infuriating sometimes, especially in the middle of some hectic part of a game) is replaced by a significantly better screen on which the 3D image should remain sharp no matter what angle you view the screen from. That doesn't really sound like "slightly" improved to me...
And your point about other companies not screwing us over is unfortunately only partially true:
This is especially so for users that have a habit of trading in their console when the new one arrives. Although you do have a point that it is a bit of a slap in the face to existing 3DS owners that there will be exclusive games, it is at least fully backwards compatible and will more than likely also improve your experience with existing games so when you trade your current one in for the new one the problem, if any, is gone and you can still play ALL your games and benefit from the new features and games as well.
Now take a look at our friends at Microsoft and Sony: they may not have "locked out" users (boo f***ing-hoo) in the same way, but people that traded in their console soon came to the conclusion that on Xbox slim less of their old Xbox games were playable and on PS3 it was even worse: from the first to the newer model backwards compatibility was ultimately COMPLETELY removed, as well as OtherOS/Linux support, a big thing for quite a lot of people worldwide. Now imagine you had sold your PS2 but kept some of your favorite games, expecting them to work on PS3...
Yep, Sony screwed absolutely no one...
And as for the New 3DS's c-stick: it's not exactly in the way for games that don't support it so what's your gripe with that?
It's a better design than the circle pad pro, and they also added the cpp's two shoulder buttons and I wouldn't be surprised if the New 3DS would get a firmware upgrade somewhere along the line that WILL make it possible to use the extra buttons in some of the older games...
The 3DS has been out long enough for a new 3DS
Ok, after a wii, wiiU and 2 3ds, i guess it s time to quit....
They are just trying to milk people, i am done here...
@Link506 no.... the hw is different...
I can't understand why most of you are so whiny about this. Doesn't apple and samsung come out with a new model every couple of years? I'm all for better hardware. It's better than using the same old hardware for the entire life of the 3DS. I don't think they are going to make much money off the hardware personally. If you don't want it don't buy it. I for one look so forward to better hardware in the 3DS!!
@gravesmeister maybe u are just a lucky rich guy who can afford to buy a iphone everytime it come out.... but consider this:
1) u can still run the same apps on older phones
2) normally new consoles are announced 1 or even more years before, so the users can make choices.... not like 1 month before, out of nothing, would u think ppl who bought a 3ds this summer will be super happy?
Now for a North American release date, Nintendo of America.
@Nintendofan83 our regular 'old' aussie 3ds xls are $248 so it's not much difference
@gravesmeister Exactly. The amount of butthurt in the comments is appalling. It's also a very human thing to complain about things and of course WAY easier than focusing on the positive side of things, most of which I've already explained in my previous comment. (#152)
@arnoldlayne Just imagine this: your current 3DS is still in a very good condition, so you should be able to get around €80 - €100 for it in return. The New 3DS may be priced anywhere in between €180 - €220. And it incorporates the Circle Pad Pro only in such a way that it doesn't make the unit bulkier as the original Circle Pad Pro does (and I have the 3DS XL so in my case adding the cpp would make it humongous)
The cpp costs at least €19 so you'll save that money too and for an additional amount of money that's roughly the same as what you got in return for your old 3DS, you can buy this shiny new one. No one, unless they're unemployed or living on welfare, can make me believe that they can't afford that. If you save a small amount of money each month (say around €15 - €20) you will EASILY be able to buy the new model by the time it arrives in stores.
Like I said to @gravesmeister: why not focus on the positives instead? Better 3D screen, smoother frame rate, bigger games, better graphics, faster loading times, extra buttons, fully backwards compatible with all your current games AND giving you new and exclusive games. What's not to like? To me it's a no-brainer, and I've only had my 3DS XL for a little bit longer than half a year.
@HappyHappyist all advertised australian prices include the GST (goods and services tax) some countries, such as america, don't include tax in their prices as it differs from state to state.
@TheRealThanos simply because i don t see why i have to buy a 3rd console of the same generation, just to have things (2nd analog, better 3d, better analog) that should have been in it at the 3dsxl restyle already.... without the need of making an hd gap tooo, especially after just showing one week before the brand new 3ds xl with smash bros design.... honestly, i don t understand why a lot of mature ppl just keep defending all this milking strategies from Nintendo....
The guy doesn't say anything about exclusives. He's actually dispelling fears that there will be too many New 3DS exclusives. All he says is that games are in development that are enhanced by playing on the New 3DS. Meaning they'll work on the Old 3DS.
@arnoldlayne83 you're missing my point: get the focus off of the negative and look at what you gain from it, which is a lot and all you need to do is trade in your older model and spend around €100 which you can easily safe in the space of 5 to 6 months. On their PS3, Sony did far worse than Nintendo on it's handhelds, by removing backwards compatibility completely along with OtherOS/Linux support, a big thing for MANY PS3 users worldwide. And now with PS4 those same users are given the "wonderful" option to re-download their PS3 classics by letting them pay AGAIN for games that they already own! And to top that off they may not be the exact games that we want because Sony decides which ones of these are the PS3 classics, so YOUR favorite game may NEVER be available at all...
See? I can do it too. It is SO much easier to focus on the negative but you should always remember that all of these companies that are seemingly out to "hurt us personally", are simply businesses and they HAVE to make money. These additions (and even the omissions) will make them money, plain and simple.
You don't have to buy one: don't like it, don't buy it, but the actual hurt that so many people are imagining and expressing now is in reality almost non-existent, because ALL companies do it, not just console manufacturers...
@Link506 Great minds think alike, my friend. But that's my main problem with the New 3DS; they're alienating over 30 million 3DS users by making exclusive games for it. The DSi only had mediocre downloadable titles in my opinion, but the N3DS has Xenoblade on it, and probably more to come. I'd be fine if it was just an extra circle pad and NFC features, but it's not.
I'm down! All abord the hype train!!
I'm so confused, please, help me figure out my name and social security number! Oh, the horror!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, some of you guys are ridiculous. Sit down, nobody gives a crap about your ideas; if they did, you'd get paid for coming up with them.
They should be making the next gen portable than wasting their time on this tbh. I'm still waiting for a legit next gen portable Sonic successor for Sonic Rush on 3DS will that be on the "New 3DS"?
Anyone think this could be a workaround for that law suit they lost not too long ago??? If the 3d tech works a little different on this one than on the old one maybe they don't have to pay that guy any money on its sales. At least that is what I think. It just sounds like this was the plan for the next handheld but Nintendo just hurried it up to maybe avoid losing any more money to this dude that sued them. Sorry I don't have a link to the lawsuit but I know they lost and were ordered to pay a pretty hefty amount plus royalties on future sales I think.
As long as these games are also playable on the normal 3DS, its okay.
I don't know about everyone else, but Ninty was smarter about improving hardware capability 15 years ago.
Blah. This sounds like blatant money siphoning now.
If they would'a made it region-free, then maybe. As it stands, I will regard it as any other new console purchase: until it has a dozen games worth owning that I can't get elsewhere.
There are about of people throwing some hate at the new 3DS. I personally don't think it's something that is meant to be a quick cash maker, but instead think it's meant to increase the life of the current hardware model. I am a believer in Nintendo fusing both of their hardware divisions into one release for the next gen but the public would be expecting a new handheld announcement next year. With the new 3DS this expectation could be put back a while until they're ready to talk about the successor to wii u and 3DS and in theory Nintendo could test the remote play for certain games to be released soon for Wii u. It's a shrewd move and I'm buying into it.
Wording still seems a bit ambiguous to me. It is not clear whether those new experiences will be "enhanced" as a result of being able to be created thanks to New 3DS's better hardware, or if they've simply been developed to make use of them optionally.
I don't find it much of a problem if games have enhanced elements on the NEW as long as the old can still play them. (Like Miiverse and Smash). It let's better things happen while still bringing the basic experiance to everyone. If there are too many games only playable on the NEW, then I'll have a problem. (Though not much of one, since I'm getting it.)
I actually like this. It gives new games possibility, while not eliminating previous games. It also does not eliminate previous systems, because most new games can still play on original 3ds. I honestly don't see any real issue with this. So what if Nintendo isn't calling it a new system. Pretend it is anyway if that is your issue.
@arnoldlayed83 @BigDaddysPizza
This is one of the issues Nintendo has. You two sound like you think the Wii or DS are the same system as the Wii U and 3DS. if you really feel as though you've wasted so much money, you really shouldn't bother ever getting another system. Games will require different systems, simple as that. For you to group old gen systems in with your "expenses" that you are "done with Nintendo" over, it shows that nothing will really appease you.
"My NES won't play Wii U games! Wahhhh!" - same style of complaint...
i still think this is stupid but i knew it was just a matter of time before they said "eh derp we will be making new games that might work better or only for the new console cuz fu" .... to me the name was annoying enough but ugh i might just have to shut up and get one since now my 3ds control stick broke e.O weird enough it looks like the little anolog stick that is in the new 3ds sigh -_-
oh yeah people comparing this to the iphones just stop seriously -_- the iphones get rumored at least months before its announced this happened just randomly even when they still announcing exclusive 3ds XL models....also iphones arent gaming consoles >.>
Dat fragmentation doe...
@Beetlejuice It was 'non-essential' because many ignored it. But looking back, the expansion pack was essential to some of the best games, not just N64 games back in the day, but THE best games EVER. Gamecube/GBA connectivity is still part of some of the most fun expreriences, like Zelda multiplayer, my favourite Final Fantasy, and most of all PacMan VS.
The DSi also brought along features and games earlier DS models couldn't play. Of course this is just a model between old and truely new, but saying it's not worth it before having seen what it brings? 'Motion Plus' could be considered not worth it too, but then Red Steel 2 and Skyward Sword came along.
@Beetlejuice No offense but I have no idea how you come up with these numbers. From actually calculating the difference from going from a sweet spot that only covers about 20% - 24% of the screen (the area size in which the 3D effect is still clearly visible without distortions) at any one time to a 3D effect that will remain sharp no matter what angle you view the screen from is a MASSIVE improvement, even if the screen resolution stays the same. It is even besides opinion, because it is a fact so it will remain so regardless of what we think about it.
If I take my current 3DS and tilt it horizontally to any one side, the effect is already distorted within the space of a couple degrees of tilting.
As for the possible firmware upgrade to use the extra controls: I clearly said SOME games, not ALL older games and it actually is a very viable option so I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it happens, seeing as rumors about such an option keep popping up everywhere. Of course I fully understand that it could also not happen, but I wouldn't go so far as to downright dismiss it, since neither of us actually knows, I'm just suggesting that it is an option, not a fact that it will be coming...
Same goes for older games performing better on the new 3DS. Not in terms of graphics, which I never said, but because of the improved CPU (and RAM), games may run smoother and as has already been officially confirmed, loading times will improve, so why not frame rate? Once again: it is a possible option, not a certainty, so you can't just dismiss it without further proof or knowledge that it isn't so.
As for me comparing to Microsoft/Sony and backwards compatibility:
Good point on the newer Wii models, forgot about those. I never upgraded to any of these other models, so I stuck with the original.
The point though, was that all companies do stuff like that and there actually are similarities: removing backwards compatibility altogether or locking out certain games of certain hardware are simply two sides of the same coin, or rather two opposite models of the same solution, albeit that one of the two upgrades offers more benefits than the other. (guess which one)
The point about the circle pad and/or the extra shoulder buttons is not to look at the negatives but acknowledge the fact that you don't HAVE to use them and that because of them being incorporated in a model the exact same size, they are NOT in the way: instead they are readily available in case you do need them in a game, instead of having to carry around a bulky Circle Pad Pro that you have to attach and remove every time.
Finally, the Expansion Pak on the N64 worked like a charm and really did improve some games in a big way. Perfect Dark is a good example, as well as Donkey Kong 64, Zelda Majora's Mask and Star Wars Episode 1 Racer.
And as for the "few" games that supported the Expansion Pak, here's the complete list of games that supported it:
So that clearly shows that there were more than enough games that benefited from the Expansion Pak in some way or another, in most cases better frame rate, also in lower resolutions, and for some games the graphics could be switched to high res and had additional or more advanced textures.
I'm so glad that any games which support the Circle Pad Pro will be able to use the new buttons straight away. It'll be great to play Resident Evil Revelations and Monster Hunter 3 without the need to carry extra hardware about.
I'm ready for New Nintendo 3DS. I like the added auto-brightness feature. I'm SO READY for Xenoblade Chronicles in the palm of my hand!!!
Im still laughing on how people compaire the N3DS to the DSi.
Really? The DSi itself really is only a new DS system with the excact same custo proccessor chips yet yet N3DS is really a new system, not a version of the 3DS yet its own fully fledge system with new custom chips where as I would assume updates to both CPU's & GPU meaning that it's a new system built from scratch.
IDC About all you naysayers, I'm still excited about the system and plan on buying one.
Man, I wish NA could get it this year.. My Christmas list is nonexistent at the moment..
REALLY!? They're not including the AC Adapter???
(~11:55 mark)
@TheRealThanos
1) you keep bringing up other consoles dropping backwards campatibility, when it is not a logical comparison to the 'new' 3DS getting games that do not work on the original 3DS hardware. 40 million users will be missing out on new 3DS games that will be unplayable on their current hardware.
Can you name a single console hardware revision or add-on that offered 'improved' games that was successful? The Sega 32X was essentially the 'new' 3DS, and how did that one pan out? There is a reason not many companies have attempted this...
2)Here is a quote that will hopefully end your delusions at old 3DS games will be improved on the 'new' 3DS...
"Nintendo Australia Managing Director Tom Enoki has reconfirmed that games developed for the new Nintendo 3DS will feature both improved gameplay and enhanced visuals. Enoki reiterated that current Nintendo 3DS games won’t look or play any different when played on the new device. Here’s what he had to say.
“You can of course play all previously release Nintendo 3DS titles on New Nintendo 3DS; the gameplay and graphics for these titles will not change by playing them on the new consoles. But we have already started developing new titles where gameplay can be improved and graphics enhanced only from playing on New Nintendo 3DS.”
@Beetlejuice As for the first point: the whole uprising (since it's not just you, so please don't take it personally) seems to focus on everything that we can NOT do and also on the premise that people that have a 2DS/3DS/3DS XL would want to play ALL of these enhanced games. In my direct surroundings of friends and family there's about 12 people, mostly children, that have a 3DS and I know of only ONE person that would be interested in Xenoblade on 3DS and that is me so the rest could care less about missing out on that game.
Moving on: if you don't see how the dropping backwards compatibility is an opposite/reverse model of locking out some games and therefore has similar repercussions for gamers (especially if you only trade in your console/handheld but want to keep your games) then I would suggest we drop that point and agree to disagree because apparently we aren't going to see eye to eye on that one.
I do like your 32x comparison though, albeit that the 3DS situation is still slightly different since it is a standalone solution and obviously the 32x was an add-on. Removing the genesis would make the 32x useless but the new 3DS can play all your games.
A small side note before I get to the second point: I would kindly suggest you to refrain from using any derogatory terminology towards me such as "delusional", since I have used none towards you either (at least not intentionally, if you perceived any of my comments as such) so let's play nice.
As for your second point/the quote, that means nothing to me:
I'm 44yo and I've been an IT marketing and sales professional for almost 14 years now and I smell marketing lingo from a mile away and that is exactly what it is.
In no way does it mean that games won't run smoother, it could very well mean that in saying "the gameplay and graphics for these titles will not change" he is simply pointing out that the extra controls won't be used and that no extra features such as Miiverse will be implemented, because that would make a game different. Having a slightly better frame rate will not alter a game, and therefore it would not be different.
If an Expansion Pak in an N64 automatically made games run better, if more RAM and a better CPU makes a PC work better, then more RAM and a better CPU in the 3DS will also do something, no matter how little, to improve things. Maybe it's just the loading times which has been officially confirmed, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is some benefit to the frame rate as well.
And I don't know why you included the graphics part in your emboldened quote, but once again: I've already said that I'm not expecting graphics to improve in older games, so we can leave that one out from now on. I also never said that I believed that it would. Performance in and of itself has nothing to do with graphics, case in point being the N64 Expansion Pak that also improved frame rate in a lot of games without upgrading the resolution.
@gspro15198 And Moon Chronicles and Ironfall.
@LordGeovanni
I don't think that the DS and 3DS are the same system. I also am not "done with Nintendo". I'm definitely not. It's just that I got my 3DS 2.5 years ago and now they are making games just for the New 3DS? I'm not going to overreact and I'll assume it'll be like the DSi. I'm only going to buy it if lots of good games come out for it. My 3DS is fine and I don't need to upgrade it.
Also, buying 4 DS's over 8 years makes my friends and family think I have a problem because their thought process is "you don't need so many DS's."
Ironically, some people have cell phones that have 2 year plans, meaning they would have 4 phones over 8 years, and nobody thinks that they are crazy.
I have no objection to enhanced features But I think "Super 3DS" might have been a better name for it.
I have no objection to enhanced features But I think "Super 3DS" might have been a better name for it.
Nah, I'll wait for 4DS and play with those enhanced graphics with that.
It's pretty bad form releasing a 3DS with abilities and likely, games, that the normal one cant use yet still leaving it as part of the current 3DS's generation, they could have at least offered some sort of trade up scheme.
@JarredBuzzo lmao
@Jazzer94And you left out the most important details. NEW 3ds is screwing over old 3ds on.game compatibility. Can we replace the original 3ds with the new for cheap price? Bc under the circumstances I'm done with Nintendo as a customer bc of this
@Kit dude for two years $100-200 is bs because i expected more out of this than 2 years for a console generation. Now what you said makes me believe u live in your family's basement and don't know the true dollar value
@Nintendian @Kit dude for two years $100-200 is lame because i expected more out of this than 2 years for a console generation. Now what you said makes me believe u live in your family's basement and don't know the true dollar value. Plus i may stop buying Nintendo products if this is what they'll start doing. Don't give us anymore halfway done machines then change game compatibility
I'm just kind of sad because I don't know how good the exclusives will be on the new 3ds. I'm ok with my 3ds xl for now, but if something awesome comes out on the new 3ds, then I'll be a little disappointed. Especially since I recently bought a 3ds xl on sale. Not sure if I should go ahead and exchange it and pay extra for the new one.
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