Mahe

Good start for Miitopia. It was always the most appealing of those three games, even though it's kind of a niche game as it's a quirky humorous RPG. Now let's see how it does in the coming weeks.

Feh, more like meh.

@David_Dudeney And you're trying to force your opinion on everyone else, here on this Miitopia review, without even having played the game? Take your BotW peddling out from here.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Miitopia is GOTY potential for me.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE A week with Miitopia and huge amounts of discounts is quiet to you? Alright...

This is an alright diversion on PS4, but far from perfect.

@David_Dudeney BotW is boring. Miitopia is actually fun.

@ROBLOGNICK You don't need Streetpass for this. You can get Miis from almost anywhere with the in-game options, including your own Miis and online.

"RPMii Maker"

That basically works out to Role-Playing Mii Maker. And that's... pretty fitting!

@MegaTen For somebody whose nickname is "MegaTen", not having a 2DS or 3DS system is... strange. You ever think about making a journey deep into the 2DS/3DS ecosystem?

@JJ286 How would that work? This series was made for the DS, 2DS and 3DS line.

Cool addition. Etrian Odyssey series has great music. But because of that, it really should be more than just 6 songs...

@westman98 "Enjoy your 2DS XL and the games that it gets while it is still being supported. Have a good day "

Thanks, I absolutely will!

@ImagineerNik Yeah, the Crash N.Sane Trilogy has been a massive success. Why didn't they do the other thing?

@westman98 You're ignoring Switch's poor sales after launch in other regions. Even in the US, PS4 is constantly putting more distance between itself and Switch, and that's despite the 60 million headstart it already has worldwide.

After the Switch early adopters bought in, interest in the system is quickly dropping. Even existing Switch owners can't be bothered to buy the high-profile games after a long drought, just look at Splatoon 2's UK performance.

"if you expect Nintendo to suddenly regress"

They already did that with Switch.

"making a new dedicated handheld that sits in a weird position between a 2DS and a Switch"

If Nintendo don't make that system, a lot of previous 2DS, DS and 3DS owners will opt out of their handhelds altogether, and play games on their smartphones or other devices.

"making a 3rd "traditional" console"

A new Wii-like console is what I'd like to see. Currently PS4 is the closest to that.

For Switch fans, it was the biggest day of their summer.
For Crash Bandicoot, it was just another Monday.

@westman98 Outside of PSP, you're talking of systems that are 20 to even 30 years old. When looking at modern Nintendo and the current era, it's obvious that Switch is falling behind, and that's a big problem if they really mean to replace both 2DS/3DS and Wii U with it. It means that even out of the people who bought Nintendo's previous systems, many will not get a Switch.

That includes people like me. I'll have a 2DS for handheld games and PS4 is a great home console, but if there is no 2DS successor after New 2DS XL, and Switch doesn't get better, that means I will completely exit the Nintendo ecosystem. Trust me, I will do completely fine without a Nintendo system if the only option is Switch.

@westman98 Actually, Wii U and PS3 were similar in the beginning. Wii U crossed 1 million sold in Japan in July 2013, in a similar timeframe as PS3 back in 2007. Switch is not that much ahead of Wii U, and again, it's behind 3DS, even with the slow pre-pricecut sales.

Of course, we know that Wii U did the worst out of these systems in the long run. But so far, there is no indication that Switch will ever be able to catch up to the 2DS/3DS family total sales. Wii U, yes, PS3 in Japan, possibly, but even that will take a long time.

@westman98 "The Switch currently lags behind the GBA, PS2, Wii, DS, and 3DS (slightly) in sales in Japan."

There you go. Something like the Wii U is not a typical system, and just barely surpassing Wii U sales is not a good sign for Switch.

There's also the fact that the games being sold are not for the new system where gamers already don't have massive backlogs, instead the systems where people already own loads of games are selling even more of them. 9 out of the games in the top 20 were for 2DS and 3DS, and 6 were for PS4. This doesn't look to be changing any time soon.

@gcunit "I expect New 2DS sales will drop off pretty quickly - probably mostly collectors behind the initial surge."

There will be some fun times ahead...

@westman98 So is Switch lagging behind typical systems, or is it not like you previously claimed? Try to make up your mind.

This would have been cool to see!

@SuperC142 PS4 is the best system for this collection. PS4 is a great console, it's like Sony made a Wii HD.

@mikegamer PS4, X1 and PC combined install base is vastly bigger than the install base of any Nintendo system, even all the current Nintendo systems together. Remember, Switch has only sold a few million so far.

There are plenty of options for buying the collection, there's no justification whatsoever for piracy.

Cool art. Looking forward to getting the collection on PS4!

@Dakt Most of these games still appeared on past Nintendo systems. Mega Man 7, SNES. Mega Man 9 & 10, Wii.

Also, Mega Man Legacy Collection 1 was on 2DS and 3DS.

It's very relevant even if the new collection is skipping current Nintendo systems.

@westman98 ""So far, Switch is lagging way behind what a typical system does at this point in its launch."
This is factually incorrect. Do you even look at hard numbers, or are you just voicing an opinion as fact??"

No it isn't. Switch is lagging behind all typical successful systems in Japan, like Wii and DS, and even 3DS, which had a notoriously slow start compared to Wii and DS, and got a price cut just 4 months into its lifespan.

Those are the hard numbers. Is it hard for you to accept them?

@westman98 Miitopia alone looks like it will be one of the 2DS's all-time best games. Likewise with the Metroid 2 remake. And even the Mario & Luigi remake will probably be 2DS's best M&L game.

Then there's Team Kirby, and while Kirby Blowout Blast doesn't interest me, the third Kirby game at the end of the year could be even better than Team Kirby. RPG Maker FES is great to have on a portable if you like traditional RPGs, and from what I understand, Pokemon Ultra Sun / Moon will be completely new games, not really fitting the "remake" title. There's a lot to choose from, but of course, to each their own.

@westman98 As someone who enjoyed last year's 2DS lineup, this 2017 lineup is even better. 2017 might actually turn out to be the all-time best year for 2DS games.

@CheezIt Oh, cool!

Team Kirby Clash Deluxe is more of a fighting game actually, but of course that might still not be up your alley.

What about Story of Seasons? And for upcoming games, Layton's Mystery Journey?

@CheezIt As for other recent games, have you tried Runbow Pocket, Cooking Mama, Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World and Super Mario Maker?

@CheezIt Oh you're right, I completely forgot that it was already released in US.

You should definitely buy some of the Streetpass games, and you should try Kirby too.

@CheezIt Devilish Brain Training is a completely new game. Have you already tried Team Kirby Clash Deluxe or the new Streetpass games?

@Spoony_Tech Are you kidding me? Miitopia is awesome! Completely worth the asking price.

The first Epic Mickey and Power of Illusion were good. But Epic Mickey 2... that was a rush job if there ever was one.

@KirbyTheVampire Switch is garbage and if that was all Nintendo was offering, they would lose all the people who don't want a Switch, like me.

The Puyo Puyo disc for PS4 is much cheaper in most places.

Meanwhile, the 2DS lives on. This shows the power of design over processing power.

It begins... enjoy your Wii U2, Switch early adopters!

@Awesome_Man You know what? I'm going to be enjoying a new Metroid in just a few months, and it looks great.

Meanwhile, you get nothing. NOTHING! Enjoy your title screen for Other M Federation Force 2, out in 2020 for Switch 2 launch!

Completely dishonest reporting from Nintendolife. PS4 actually sold more, but the sales are spread between Slim and Pro.

@Shiryu That does seem interesting gameplay-wise, but I'm really hyped for Miitopia.

@bezerker99 Secret of Mana is on Wii Virtual Console tho.

Still a great addition of course.

@Shiryu Yup, so many games on 2DS and 3DS!

@Shiryu Here's the thing, if you're playing on Switch, you're not playing Metroid: Samus Returns, Pokemon Ultra Sun / Moon, Etrian Odyssey V, Layton's Mystery Journey or many other games that aren't coming to Switch or PC.

I will much rather have my choice of games on 2DS and PS4 than the scraps Switch is getting.

Switch exists because Nintendo were out of good ideas.

Switch is the Wii U Gamepad all over again.

@Shiryu Sure thing. Meanwhile, I'll be playing on systems that have several big games per month. It's nice to have choice.

No motion controls like what Hyrule Warriors had?

@Shiryu Let's see... I didn't like the initial reveal. I didn't like the January presentation. The time since then has done nothing to change my opinion, including the predictably bad E3 showing.

I know the games that have been revealed. I know what the hardware is like. Why would my opinion suddenly change? It's not like Nintendo will suddenly deliver a Wii-like blowout of games, after this disappointing E3 showing. The Switch has a bad road ahead of it for the foreseeable future.

@Shiryu I have zero reasons to watch Nintendo's presentation. SNES games are still great, but Switch was such a letdown.