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@rjejr You need to get one of the newer Just Dance games if you haven't already - you can't die in those games!

Retail exclusives are never a good thing. Usually they just end up hurting the game that has the misfortune of suffering from the limited availability.

Just Dance 2016 was a misstep for the series, and it seems that JD2017 continues in the same unfortunate direction. The game will probably still be good, just not great, and I'll get it eventually, but I don't expect it to be the best that the series has offered.

Frankly, if you're new to the series, you would probably be better off trying Just Dance 2015 or other titles from between 2010 - 2014.

@Pichuka97 Glad I could help!

@Pichuka97 I haven't bought any version of this yet, but from online videos and other info I've seen, the Wii version is confirmed to have World Dance Floor online mode. There is no paid DLC though.

Just Dance 2016 for Wii was the same thing. Free online in World Dance Floor, but no paid DLC.

@TheCodemastr Completely agreed. The PS Camera is not worth playing on. Move controllers are a must!

But when you have Move, JD2014 on PS4 is very good.

@DragonEleven Look to the charts in the coming months. Still plenty of Just Dance fans out there.

@DragonEleven Yeah. It's a weird opinion and you have a weird way of putting it, though, so you should take that into account when talking about a series that countless people really enjoy.

@Blister Agreed, except that Wii got some really good games late in its lifecycle. And you really should get a PS4 if you're running out of games, it has a lot of games that aren't on Wii U.

@TruenoGT "However, it's up to Nintendo to knock it out of the park at launch, otherwise they'll either stick to 3DS as long as possible and probably move to mobile entirely instead of Switch."

Yup. The 3DS launch didn't go so well, and that hurt publishers like Level 5, leading to cancelled projects and hesitation from both third parties and consumers alike. If Nintendo messes up with Switch, it might be game over for good.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Just Dance sales typically start slow and then pick up towards the holidays. I'm one example of that: I'm a big fan of the series in general (even though JD2016 made some mistakes), and I will be buying JD2017 at some point, but not right away.

@Sanangelo89 The first Just Dance came out in late 2009.

@DragonEleven Well, that's a very strange taste you have, honestly. You must realize that even if you don't like the songs, a lot of people do, and they play Just Dance even hours on end, from month to month and year to year. Just Dance fans play the games a lot.

@TruenoGT What if it's another Wii U? Level 5 could get burned badly if they put millions into a game for a system that ends up like Wii U.

@DragonEleven That's your right, of course. But have you actually played any of the later Just Dance games in any in-depth amount? Your opinion might change if you put decent effort into any of them, like I suggested.

@DragonEleven Then you obviously have no idea what "shovelware" means. That's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shovelware

With the amount of effort that goes into Just Dance games, the high quality of the games, and the constant customer satisfaction that especially the Wii versions have had, nothing could be further from shovelware. You might as well be calling Super Mario Galaxy shovelware.

For reference, here are my impressions of the best versions of Just Dance mainline multiplat games:

Just Dance 3 - Wii
Just Dance 4 - Wii U
Just Dance 2014 - PlayStation 4
Just Dance 2015 - PlayStation 4
Just Dance 2016 - Wii
Just Dance 2017 - ????

That being said, the Wii version has always been very competitive when it comes to quality in the Just Dance games. It's amazing how well that tiny wonder of a console has kept up in recent years.

@DragonEleven Then you're in the wrong, big time. You need to get yourself a Just Dance game and play it in-depth. I recommend 5 hours of playtime at minimum.

This is not surprising after what they did with Just Dance 2016. The Wii version was the best version of that game, where it was the current-gen versions that were lacking features.

Now the most important online mode has been restored to current-gen versions, but that wasn't known until very recently. A lot of people were thinking that the Wii version might still be the definitive version of Just Dance 2017. And with its simpler, better flowing menu structure and track selection, it still puts up a good fight against the current-gen versions.

What's more, usually Just Dance sales start picking up towards the holidays. For example, I didn't get any version of the game yet, waiting for impressions from other gamers about which version is the best this year and so on.

Get the discounts from 2 weeks ago while you still can!

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/10/nintendo_download_20th_october_europe

@neyoung8 Yeah, you should be playing those games... or buying more from the sale!

@neyoung8 Look at last week's update. Plenty of discounts, including on Wii games, and a new Wii game too (Project Zero 2). And it's all available even now. Go go go!

@rjejr That is a good point. The "active user base" is different from total user base. Fox example, recent Just Dance games on Wii have still kept selling, and Wii back catalogue titles like the Nintendo Selects line also keep selling. That means that even though Wii is ancient by now (10 years coming up!), and even though it has only a few game releases any more, people are still playing their Wii games and buying new ones.

With Wii U, it's the opposite. The low quality of the Wii U library has really deterred the existing Wii U install base from buying the titles that come out. That's why you see almost every Wii U title flop really badly. Wii U owners have been severely burned by the bad games and the terrible Gamepad controls that have been force-fed to Wii U owners. Nintendo killed the Wii U by a stream of garbage games and the awkwardness of using the Gamepad.

Good review. It's nice to read a review on NL that I can agree with. This covers the important points and differences well. (The slowdown!!!)

I for one can't wait for the still to be announced games! Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival Switch, Metroid Prime Federation Force 2, Star Fox Zero Director's Cut and Paper Mario Switch-a-Roo, oh boy!

Uh oh, this is bad. If MS praises Switch, it's because they think it doesn't look very good, and might even be another Wii U level flop.

@JohnGrey Some good observations, but you've used the total install bases, not the install bases at the day or year of the release. When Super Paper Mario was released for Wii, there were actually less Wii consoles sold than there are Wii U consoles sold now, because it was so early in the Wii's lifespan and Color Splash is so late in Wii U's deathspan.

For game sales early in a console's life, things like the used game market affect continued sales performance. Japan has a very strong used game market, and some games like Xenoblade Chronicles have actually seen extended circulation through used copies when the actual retail print run has been limited.

@rjejr Even this generation has seen several console games sell in the 500,000 - 1,000,000 range, or even over a million. It's just that bad console games don't usually sell so well, and most of Wii U's game library is garbage.

@MJInnocent This is the "Oh, it's out?" edition of Tomb Raider. In addition, Tomb Raider has never done very well in Japan.

Meanwhile, Paper Mario has previously been a much bigger seller in Japan.

@rjejr Paper Mario for Wii is by far the best-selling title in the series, selling over 4 million copies. It sold more than any other two Paper Mario titles combined. http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Paper_Mario

In Japan, it sold half a million copies by the end of 2007. http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Famitsu_2007_video_game_sales

Also, WWHD only "sold" because it was bundled with Wii U consoles. The standalone full price release did really poorly. (In Japan where it wasn't bundled, it only sold close to Color Splash numbers.)

That's some cool art!

Thanks to Pokemon, Rhythm Heaven, the Wii games and all the discounts, that's actually a pretty good week.

It's easy to play catchup when the European eShop is getting absolutely nothing.

If the Wii U Gamepad wasn't bad enough for you, here's something even worse!

Uhh, Columns and Alien Syndrome? Why would they leave these for the last? Just to troll people?

This would have been great with Wiimote controls.

This week is so terrible, there must be a Nintendo Direct coming! In this Direct, it will be revealed that NX is a downloadable firmware update for Wii U! Right after the Direct, Nintendo will release playable demos of Wii Sports 3, Super Mario Universe and Metroid Prime 4, all full games to be released later this year for NX-enabled Wii Us!

It used to be that RPG players rummaged strangers' homes in the game. Now with Pokemon Go, they're doing it in real life.

@90sRetroGaming Huh. This matter requires a lot of testing to set the record straight, but if it really works that way, it's on par with Wii U Gamepad weirdness.

"bluetooth would have been a nice feature"

If I've understood correctly, bluetooth is handled by Wiimotes. If the cable is too short, pair up a Wiimote and connect the NES controller to the Wiimote.

@technotreegrass Japan and Europe get all the best 2DS colors.

That's a seriously great deal. And a good ad, too.

Just what is going on at Nintendo? Are they starting to make good decisions again?

Wii is also getting Just Dance 2017, of course. And the weird thing is, if it follows JD2016, it might even be the best version of the game.

Nintendo knows how badly they messed up with Wii U. That's why they're guarding NX so tightly. If Wii U had been more successful, NX might not even be on the way right now. Can you imagine a 6 year lifespan for Wii U with an NX release in 2018?

The Wii really was an awesome system. With so many great games, there will always be reasons to go back to Wii. It will outlive Wii U and many other systems.

2DS has nearly doubled the weekly sales of the "3DS family" in Japan. But how will it do in the holidays?

Mario Kart 8 is good. But it's too soon to "rediscover" it. The game came out in 2014, and the DLC came out in 2014 and 2015.

Rayman Legends is better on PS4, or basically any other system that is not Wii U or PS Vita.

There really is very little to even "rediscover" on Wii U.

@sunrisensoul You do realize that Wii Sports Resort sold over 30 million copies and bolstered Wii sales, while PS Move and Kinect gave both PS3 and X360 a very big uptick?

There is no "pessimism" here, there is sheer unbridled hate towards bad systems. Wii U is garbage. The original 3DS is garbage. Xbone is garbage. PS4 is good, but not great. PS4 Pro is not what I want. Nintendo, Sony and MS have all been fumbling this gen.

"It started off well. But sales dropped considerably in the last few years. The demand for dedicated portables isn't there."

Err... has this guy even looked at how 3DS started? It was terrible. And the system itself was terrible. You can't tell anything from that.

What a poor "Selection". Wii U doesn't even have enough good titles to make compelling budget titles.

@sunrisensoul You know what was good for fatigue and bounce back in the last gen? Wii Motion Plus, PS Move, and Kinect. Those were upgrades for existing hardware, anybody could just buy the new controllers/add-ons and use them with their existing console. PS3 and X360 especially needed their motion control add-ons, otherwise they wouldn't have sold nearly as much as they did eventually. Say what you will about PS Move and Kinect, but they did give their respective platforms a very significant uptick.

Now, this mid-gen upgrade? Splitting the userbase and screwing over the early adopters? It could very well blow up in Sony and MS's faces.