@Max_the_German this feels like the equivalent of visiting a place for a day, it's raining, and then you declare to everyone that it rains there every day.
To quote another person from sales discussions: zoom out. Switch 2 sales trends are outpacing Switch 1. It's doing fine.
And no, it won't outsell Switch 1 because it won't have the once in a lifetime (please let that be true) COVID bump. But let's not fall into the Wall Street mindset of "if numbers don't go up, this is a failure."
@Anti-Matter your take away from an article about a dude battling through cancer and feeling loyal to Nintendo through his struggle is that his games aren't as cool as others?
You may want to do some self evaluating over there.
Me - still rolling through FFVIIR (Switch 2) over here. I've also downloaded a boat load of demos to try out this weekend. I may give RE2R (PS5) some more attention as well.
Wife - she's gotten very heavy into her Ghosts of Tsushima (PS5) playthrough.
Kids - Tomadachi Life (Switch Lites) and Minecraft (Switch Lites/PC)
Hey @Dimjimmer, Star Fox is alive and well, thank you! In fact, I just talked to it for about 20 minutes this morning!
(that's a little joke related to a current political figure in America, for anyone overseas who rightfully isn't following politics in America right now)
@ottoecamn but shouldn't the idea of having a large, diversified business be that you can let people take some swings and have some misses? I would note that in their own email, they don't say they're losing money, just that their profit margins aren't as good as some competitors.
It reminds me of the strategy a different company takes, with a few tent pole franchises surrounded by a lot of less successful games that occasionally fall flat on their face.
In other words, in Microsoft's world, bye bye Metroid. Bye bye, Fire Emblem. So on and so forth.
@HeadPirate I'm not so sure about adding 20,000 jobs in 5 years. For 1, they didn't really add jobs by buying studios, they just slapped their name on someone else's homework. I also came across a few articles listing their headcount in 2024 as 22,000 total. It seems unlikely to me that they went from 2,000 people to 22,000 in that time frame.
All that said, sure, it's ragebait if they had only laid off people just now.
But that would ignore the mass lay offs in January 2024, May 2024, September 2024, and July 2025. It would also ignore the studio closures at Tango Gameworks, Arkane Austin, Alpha Dog, and Roundhouse Studios.
Me: FFVII Remake (Switch 2) - at the end of chapter 9 and I've had a really good time with it so far. RE2R (PS5) - I'm not too far in and playing it very sporadically. It's been a while since I've played a RE game, so I'm finding in criminally short on ammo at all times!
Wife: Magical Princess (Steam) - definitely not my kind of game Ghosts of Tsushima (PS5) - heavy discount on this one so I got it for her. She really likes it and it's absolutely gorgeous.
@Pat_trick sorry I'm not willing to keep destroying the planet for Big Blu-Ray and Big Data Cards! You just keep buying up all that plastic and pollution to keep lining the pockets of the mega corps at Blu-ray printing and petroleum. Sheep.
See, it's really easy to do once you decide to dehumanize someone who doesn't do exactly what you want them to do. You can easily call anyone a sheep! Fun, huh?
@Lanmanna in fairness to Sony, they did say they would be saying digital games through other retailers, meaning that you will still see discounts. For example, this past week Best Buy had a bunch of Nintendo games on digital on discount.
But also, sales will happen to try and entice more players to purchase the game as it ages. That happens regardless.
Could I be missing the forest? Maybe? But I don't think so. I'll still be able to play my games immediately and (almost assuredly) in the distant future. Which, given hardware failures and normal accidents, is the exact same gamble I take with physical.
All that said, I do feel for people who liked having the option and I probably should have expressed that.
I'm already fully digital. I went back and forth on the PS5 of getting digital or disc and went with digital because I don't like having a bunch of clutter hanging around.
As I stated in the other article, I'm more concerned with enjoying my games than whether I'll be able to play them in 30 years.
I know it won't be popular on here, but I'll stick to my usual stance of focusing on enjoying a game right now instead of "BUT DO I OWN THIS?! WHAT IF I CAN'T PLAY IT IN 35 YEARS?!"
Other than that, it's our first weekend opening a PS5, so it's mostly just been demos and getting a feel for things.
My wife thought Rise of the Ronin was okay, but wasn't convinced to spring for it. She loved Onimusha, but obviously that's not out for a bit. We were both a bit underwhelmed by My Time At Sandrock.
I played a small bit of Astro's Play Room and already fell in love with the little guy. I also saw RE2R is on discount, so I may grab that.
We're also hoping to finish up Gilmore Girls this weekend. I haven't been as impressed as the cultural hype led me to believe.
So Nintendo releases an under powered console that spends 8 years becoming (nearly) the best selling console of all time, and half these comments are people suggesting they don't know what they're doing with the Switch 2?
"The most recent revelation out of that neck of the woods is that Kotick stepped down with a nice big golden parachute in the form of a $15 million severance package."
@OldManHermit Babylon 5 is similar in that the first season can be a bit rough. The fifth season was also a little rough due to them being unsure if it was going to be renewed, but the last five episodes are some of the best TV in history.
And I did survive season 1 of TNG! The acting was...a bit uneven. And the plots were...also a bit uneven! But it was almost all worth it to see a man's face melt and head explode at least!
Is it possible that Bethesda lost their optimization department?
I don't mean fired because that would likely have been reported by someone. I mean they literally lost them. Like they wandered off during a company retreat and no one has found them yet?
So in less than a month it's most likely sold as much as both Prime 2 and Prime 3 and probably nearing half of Prime 1.
And we're calling that a failure?
This really seems to be the trend of Switch 2's press coverage.
1) Press reports news that something is terrible and a failure (Prime 4 didn't sell a million copies) 2) Someone official comes out and says, no, that's actually not true (actually prime 4 did sell a million copies) 3) Press never retracts previous claims and it's too late anyways because the Internet has made the false coverage the truth going forward (Internet states for infinity that Prime 4 was a sales failure)
I see some more negative folks are falling down the conspiracy route of, "These numbers aren't real." It's always fascinating to watch how far people will go to avoid just admitting they were wrong about something.
And something as trivial as "this game box is doing well." It's not even that big of a deal to admit you were incorrect about it.
Why are the Galaxy games so high up there? Didn't these people see on the Internet they could just buy a (definitely functional) Wii on eBay and a (definitely functional) copy of the game on eBay and a set of (definitely functional) controllers on eBay and then just hook it up to their modern TV with it's definitely usable inputs for less than that double pack?
It's odd to me that I consistently hear people proclaiming they miss "quirky" Nintendo, yet every time something quirky comes out (Welcome Tour, Drag X Drive, a Kirby Air Riders sequel, some silly campfire game) everyone flips their lids and asks why Nintendo is "wasting" time on these things.
@michellelynn0976 so let me see if I'm following the logic here.
I post a comment saying that I think Nintendo develops games based more on what their developers want to do and can think up, not on what sales numbers are, so we might see a Prime 5 even if sales numbers aren't great (which is still to be determined).
I speculate (openly calling it speculation) that the 18 year gap may have been because the developers didn't have a new mechanic or direction they wanted to take the series in yet. Clearly, since Prime 4 exists, they found that new mechanic/direction.
You list a bunch of new things in Prime 4 and demand to know if I played it.
I agree they have new things in Prime 4 and that I haven't played it.
You call me uneducated.
I said I was literally defending Prime 4 as having new things.
You say I'm a troll.
Are you not seeing how this is a very confusing interaction for two humans to have?
@michellelynn0976 I'm not sure you're following along with what I was saying.
I said they didn't have any new mechanics 18 years ago that they wanted to try out for a Prime 4. Then, over time, they gathered some ideas and eventually started development on Prime 4, which is now filled with those new gameplay mechanics.
You're being very aggressive about a comment that wasn't at all a criticism of Prime 4.
@michellelynn0976 My comment was that the gap was longer because they didn't have a new gameplay mechanic, not low sales.
That would then mean that they started developing the game once they brainstormed some new mechanics organically, which seems to be the case from your list of new mechanics in the game.
That said, no, I haven't played it and I doubt I will. I suck at anything first person. I'm glad you're enjoying it though.
@ROMhaiku I think it was more to do with them not having a new, innovative game play mechanic for a Prime game than the sales numbers.
Don't get me wrong, if it sold 50 million units, yeah, they'd probably have put some more resources into figuring that out, but I don't know that the low sales were the biggest factor in that gap.
This is all speculation on my part though, so feel free to disagree.
@Johnny44 I think this was always the fairest criticism of the pricing model on games. Will the extra 10 bucks net out against the folks who pass because of the extra tenner?
I guess it still remains to be seen, but I'm more in your camp at the moment.
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Re: Japanese Charts: Splatoon Raiders Sales Drop 84%, But It Still Leads The Pack
@Max_the_German this feels like the equivalent of visiting a place for a day, it's raining, and then you declare to everyone that it rains there every day.
To quote another person from sales discussions: zoom out. Switch 2 sales trends are outpacing Switch 1. It's doing fine.
And no, it won't outsell Switch 1 because it won't have the once in a lifetime (please let that be true) COVID bump. But let's not fall into the Wall Street mindset of "if numbers don't go up, this is a failure."
Re: Rhythm Heaven Groove Producer Declined Offers To Make Similar Games Due To His "Indebtedness" To Nintendo
@Anti-Matter your take away from an article about a dude battling through cancer and feeling loyal to Nintendo through his struggle is that his games aren't as cool as others?
You may want to do some self evaluating over there.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (11th July)
Me - still rolling through FFVIIR (Switch 2) over here. I've also downloaded a boat load of demos to try out this weekend. I may give RE2R (PS5) some more attention as well.
Wife - she's gotten very heavy into her Ghosts of Tsushima (PS5) playthrough.
Kids - Tomadachi Life (Switch Lites) and Minecraft (Switch Lites/PC)
Re: Japanese Charts: Holy Moly, Look At Those Rhythm Heaven Groove Sales
Hey @Dimjimmer, Star Fox is alive and well, thank you! In fact, I just talked to it for about 20 minutes this morning!
(that's a little joke related to a current political figure in America, for anyone overseas who rightfully isn't following politics in America right now)
Re: DOOM's Developer id Software Has Supposedly Lost Around 50% Of Its Team
@ottoecamn but shouldn't the idea of having a large, diversified business be that you can let people take some swings and have some misses? I would note that in their own email, they don't say they're losing money, just that their profit margins aren't as good as some competitors.
It reminds me of the strategy a different company takes, with a few tent pole franchises surrounded by a lot of less successful games that occasionally fall flat on their face.
In other words, in Microsoft's world, bye bye Metroid. Bye bye, Fire Emblem. So on and so forth.
Re: DOOM's Developer id Software Has Supposedly Lost Around 50% Of Its Team
@HeadPirate I'm not so sure about adding 20,000 jobs in 5 years. For 1, they didn't really add jobs by buying studios, they just slapped their name on someone else's homework. I also came across a few articles listing their headcount in 2024 as 22,000 total. It seems unlikely to me that they went from 2,000 people to 22,000 in that time frame.
All that said, sure, it's ragebait if they had only laid off people just now.
But that would ignore the mass lay offs in January 2024, May 2024, September 2024, and July 2025. It would also ignore the studio closures at Tango Gameworks, Arkane Austin, Alpha Dog, and Roundhouse Studios.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (4th July)
Me:
FFVII Remake (Switch 2) - at the end of chapter 9 and I've had a really good time with it so far.
RE2R (PS5) - I'm not too far in and playing it very sporadically. It's been a while since I've played a RE game, so I'm finding in criminally short on ammo at all times!
Wife:
Magical Princess (Steam) - definitely not my kind of game
Ghosts of Tsushima (PS5) - heavy discount on this one so I got it for her. She really likes it and it's absolutely gorgeous.
Re: Talking Point: As Sony Bins Physical, How Long Until Nintendo Follows Suit?
@sheppy6542 and I respect your choice as well! Thanks for being respectful and, for what it's worth, I hope Sony backtracks in this one.
Re: Talking Point: As Sony Bins Physical, How Long Until Nintendo Follows Suit?
@Pat_trick sorry I'm not willing to keep destroying the planet for Big Blu-Ray and Big Data Cards! You just keep buying up all that plastic and pollution to keep lining the pockets of the mega corps at Blu-ray printing and petroleum. Sheep.
See, it's really easy to do once you decide to dehumanize someone who doesn't do exactly what you want them to do. You can easily call anyone a sheep! Fun, huh?
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Rhythm Heaven Groove
@Astropez it has 5 "mediocre" reviews on Metacritic and they included quotes from 1 of those. Soooo...what are they hiding here?
Re: Sony Ditches Physical Media - Suddenly Game-Key Cards Don't Look So Bad
@Lanmanna in fairness to Sony, they did say they would be saying digital games through other retailers, meaning that you will still see discounts. For example, this past week Best Buy had a bunch of Nintendo games on digital on discount.
But also, sales will happen to try and entice more players to purchase the game as it ages. That happens regardless.
Could I be missing the forest? Maybe? But I don't think so. I'll still be able to play my games immediately and (almost assuredly) in the distant future. Which, given hardware failures and normal accidents, is the exact same gamble I take with physical.
All that said, I do feel for people who liked having the option and I probably should have expressed that.
Re: Talking Point: As Sony Bins Physical, How Long Until Nintendo Follows Suit?
I'm already fully digital. I went back and forth on the PS5 of getting digital or disc and went with digital because I don't like having a bunch of clutter hanging around.
As I stated in the other article, I'm more concerned with enjoying my games than whether I'll be able to play them in 30 years.
Re: Sony Ditches Physical Media - Suddenly Game-Key Cards Don't Look So Bad
I know it won't be popular on here, but I'll stick to my usual stance of focusing on enjoying a game right now instead of "BUT DO I OWN THIS?! WHAT IF I CAN'T PLAY IT IN 35 YEARS?!"
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (20th June)
FFVII Remake on my Switch 2.
Other than that, it's our first weekend opening a PS5, so it's mostly just been demos and getting a feel for things.
My wife thought Rise of the Ronin was okay, but wasn't convinced to spring for it. She loved Onimusha, but obviously that's not out for a bit. We were both a bit underwhelmed by My Time At Sandrock.
I played a small bit of Astro's Play Room and already fell in love with the little guy. I also saw RE2R is on discount, so I may grab that.
We're also hoping to finish up Gilmore Girls this weekend. I haven't been as impressed as the cultural hype led me to believe.
Re: Reaction: A Direct That Picked Up Pace For A Breathtaking Finish
I get a new turn based Final Fantasy. 10/10. Anything lower than that is foolish.
Re: Rumour: A Nintendo Direct Might Come Our Way As Soon As Next Week
@OorWullie did you just (mostly) accurately predict a prediction of a Direct?
When are you starting your YouTube channel?
Re: Crocs Expands Nintendo Collab With Super Mario Collection This July
Also, no way I'm paying that much for something that costs 73 cents to manufacture.
Re: Crocs Expands Nintendo Collab With Super Mario Collection This July
@WeHaveKirbyAtHome literal pink tax.
Re: "It's Actually Been Pretty Smooth" - Infinity Ward On Getting Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 4 Running On Switch 2
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Re: "We Understand The Frustration" - ININ Games Addresses R-Type Dimensions III Tech Issues
I keep seeing comments about shareholders, but I'm not sure this is a publicly traded company?
Re: Nintendo Reportedly Producing 20 Million Switch 2 Consoles In FY2027
@johnedwin you don't think the Switch 2 will sell 20 million more units? Over it's life cycle? Because if it does, this really isn't much of a story.
Re: Rumour: Watch Out PS2, Switch May Soon Get A Big Boost In India
@-wc- so then you're saying Nintendo already has the top selling and PS2 has been 2nd all along?
Re: Real-Life Smart Glasses Are Being Added To 007 First Light Later This Year
"We build technology that doesn’t shout for attention – but amplifies human potential."
Ew.
Re: Nintendo's President Apparently Wants Switch 2 To Match The Long Lifespan Of The Original System
So Nintendo releases an under powered console that spends 8 years becoming (nearly) the best selling console of all time, and half these comments are people suggesting they don't know what they're doing with the Switch 2?
Seems about right.
Re: Are Diablo 4 And Diablo 2 Coming To Switch 2? Blizzard Stays Silent
@Rhaoulos
"The most recent revelation out of that neck of the woods is that Kotick stepped down with a nice big golden parachute in the form of a $15 million severance package."
Gosh, wish someone would fire me!
Re: Jurassic Park: Classic Games Collection To Be Delisted Just Two Years After Release
@Fake-news you can still redownload those if necessary, yes.
I don't, but that's because I'm a terrible person and stole them all.
Re: Jurassic Park: Classic Games Collection To Be Delisted Just Two Years After Release
@KevinP over here. From the article:
"If you already purchased the game, don’t worry — you’ll still be able to redownload and play it anytime."
Nice attempt though.
Re: Feature: "We Were Quite Nervous" - Star Trek: Voyager - Across The Unknown Dev Talks Returning Actors, Music & Fan Feedback
@OldManHermit Babylon 5 is similar in that the first season can be a bit rough. The fifth season was also a little rough due to them being unsure if it was going to be renewed, but the last five episodes are some of the best TV in history.
And I did survive season 1 of TNG! The acting was...a bit uneven. And the plots were...also a bit uneven! But it was almost all worth it to see a man's face melt and head explode at least!
Re: Feature: "We Were Quite Nervous" - Star Trek: Voyager - Across The Unknown Dev Talks Returning Actors, Music & Fan Feedback
Oddly, I've been watching TNG for the first time ever lately.
I was more of a Babylon 5 kid back in the 90s, so I I weirdly skipped all of the Star Trek shows.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (7th February)
@trymer89 I'm finally about to fly into the light, so I'm assuming I'll be hitting the twists and turns soon!
I've been playing this game basically since it released. I play games about as slowly as I also read books, which is to say, extremely slowly.
Someday, I hope to be buried with my significant backlog.
Re: Fallout 4: Anniversary Edition Launches 24th February for Switch 2
Is it possible that Bethesda lost their optimization department?
I don't mean fired because that would likely have been reported by someone. I mean they literally lost them. Like they wandered off during a company retreat and no one has found them yet?
Re: Video: Hollow Knight - Side-By-Side Graphics And Performance Comparison (Switch 2 & Switch)
@Wewewi sorry, I'm going to have to take a step back now. As an American, this is just too many numbers and science.
Re: PSA: Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Is Surprisingly Cheap On The UK eShop Right Now
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Re: PSA: Monster Hunter Stories 3 Switch 2 Trial Demo Now Available, Save Data Carries Over
I'll be sure to have my frame rate counter up to let me know if I should enjoy the game when I play it.
If it dips below 36 FPS, that's when it starts the siren to tell me stop having fun, I'm not actually having fun.
Re: Video: Hollow Knight - Side-By-Side Graphics And Performance Comparison (Switch 2 & Switch)
@Misima you get out of here with your numbers and your science.
Re: Telltale's "Cult Classic" Poker Night At The Inventory Returns On Switch This March
@Liam_Doolan should cult classic be in quotes here? I'll be honest, at first I read the headline and thought the name is the game was "Cult Classic."
I'm not saying it needs to change, I'm just genuinely curious.
Re: Metroid Prime 4's "Combined Sales" Have Surpassed One Million, Nintendo Confirms
So in less than a month it's most likely sold as much as both Prime 2 and Prime 3 and probably nearing half of Prime 1.
And we're calling that a failure?
This really seems to be the trend of Switch 2's press coverage.
1) Press reports news that something is terrible and a failure (Prime 4 didn't sell a million copies)
2) Someone official comes out and says, no, that's actually not true (actually prime 4 did sell a million copies)
3) Press never retracts previous claims and it's too late anyways because the Internet has made the false coverage the truth going forward (Internet states for infinity that Prime 4 was a sales failure)
It's very frustrating to watch.
Re: Nintendo Direct Partner Showcase Announced For Tomorrow, 5th February 2026
@Axecon this is the rational response to things in video games you don't like.
Can we just CC the Internet to this comment from now on? Is there a button for that?
Signed,
Someone who owns a Switch 2 and is looking forward to this Direct
Re: Switch 2 Storms Towards Its Forecast Target With 17.37 Million Units Sold
@mr12calvin and you expect that the retailers will sit on this inventory for the entire life span of the Switch 2?
And this also doesn't consider that sell through is how all console sales data is reported.
Re: Switch 2 Storms Towards Its Forecast Target With 17.37 Million Units Sold
I see some more negative folks are falling down the conspiracy route of, "These numbers aren't real." It's always fascinating to watch how far people will go to avoid just admitting they were wrong about something.
And something as trivial as "this game box is doing well." It's not even that big of a deal to admit you were incorrect about it.
Re: UK Charts: Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade Plummets As Familiar Faces Retake The Podium
Why are the Galaxy games so high up there? Didn't these people see on the Internet they could just buy a (definitely functional) Wii on eBay and a (definitely functional) copy of the game on eBay and a set of (definitely functional) controllers on eBay and then just hook it up to their modern TV with it's definitely usable inputs for less than that double pack?
They must just be suckers!
Re: Tomodachi Life: Living The Dream Moves In On Switch 1 This April
Imagine being so fragile that you're triggered by an extra option on an UI overlay?
Life has to be one panic attack after another for these folks.
Re: Random: This Fan Is Ripping Nintendo's Finest Tunes Onto Vinyl, Including The 3DS Menu Theme
It's odd to me that I consistently hear people proclaiming they miss "quirky" Nintendo, yet every time something quirky comes out (Welcome Tour, Drag X Drive, a Kirby Air Riders sequel, some silly campfire game) everyone flips their lids and asks why Nintendo is "wasting" time on these things.
Re: Poll: Final Fantasy 7 Remake Part 3 Has A Final Title, But What Could It Be?
Final Fantasy VII Wonder - Nintendo Switch 2 Edition + Meetup In Bellabel Park
Re: Japanese Charts: Sorry Samus, Octopath Is The Best-Selling New Release This Week
@michellelynn0976 so let me see if I'm following the logic here.
I post a comment saying that I think Nintendo develops games based more on what their developers want to do and can think up, not on what sales numbers are, so we might see a Prime 5 even if sales numbers aren't great (which is still to be determined).
I speculate (openly calling it speculation) that the 18 year gap may have been because the developers didn't have a new mechanic or direction they wanted to take the series in yet. Clearly, since Prime 4 exists, they found that new mechanic/direction.
You list a bunch of new things in Prime 4 and demand to know if I played it.
I agree they have new things in Prime 4 and that I haven't played it.
You call me uneducated.
I said I was literally defending Prime 4 as having new things.
You say I'm a troll.
Are you not seeing how this is a very confusing interaction for two humans to have?
Re: Japanese Charts: Sorry Samus, Octopath Is The Best-Selling New Release This Week
@michellelynn0976 I don't understand the question so I'm just going to answer it straightforward.
No. I am not psychic.
Re: Japanese Charts: Sorry Samus, Octopath Is The Best-Selling New Release This Week
@michellelynn0976 I'm not sure you're following along with what I was saying.
I said they didn't have any new mechanics 18 years ago that they wanted to try out for a Prime 4. Then, over time, they gathered some ideas and eventually started development on Prime 4, which is now filled with those new gameplay mechanics.
You're being very aggressive about a comment that wasn't at all a criticism of Prime 4.
Re: Japanese Charts: Sorry Samus, Octopath Is The Best-Selling New Release This Week
@michellelynn0976 My comment was that the gap was longer because they didn't have a new gameplay mechanic, not low sales.
That would then mean that they started developing the game once they brainstormed some new mechanics organically, which seems to be the case from your list of new mechanics in the game.
That said, no, I haven't played it and I doubt I will. I suck at anything first person. I'm glad you're enjoying it though.
Re: Japanese Charts: Sorry Samus, Octopath Is The Best-Selling New Release This Week
@ROMhaiku I think it was more to do with them not having a new, innovative game play mechanic for a Prime game than the sales numbers.
Don't get me wrong, if it sold 50 million units, yeah, they'd probably have put some more resources into figuring that out, but I don't know that the low sales were the biggest factor in that gap.
This is all speculation on my part though, so feel free to disagree.
Re: Japanese Charts: Sorry Samus, Octopath Is The Best-Selling New Release This Week
@Johnny44 I think this was always the fairest criticism of the pricing model on games. Will the extra 10 bucks net out against the folks who pass because of the extra tenner?
I guess it still remains to be seen, but I'm more in your camp at the moment.