@Serpenterror
I’m voting with my wallet. If it flops well they have tons of feedback already saying it was a poor idea. I’ll buy the original on the eshop but not the new one (or get the physical three pack of the games. That would be better.)
Hopefully they add a way to purchase individual titles for non subscribers or for those who only want basic online play to purchase those from the expansion as well.
@Ulysses That’s one thing I never understood. You’d think businesses would see the comments about why consumers don’t buy their games and try to do something about it. “Oh we goofed up big time on the next game we will not make the same mistake and make the game the creators want and sell it on its own merits instead of trying to do the impossible task of pleasing and trying to kiss every alarmists rear end.”
@AussieMcBucket So what about my viewpoint? If that’s what you want then mine should have as much bearing on tve issue as yours.
Diversity-the practice or quality of including or involving people from a range of different social and ethnic backgrounds and of different genders, sexual orientations, etc. So my view and having characters show off skin is included in diversity since like a salad if you take out everything you don’t like you’ll be left with nothing.
@Vexx234 Yes of course but that was an exception considering Japan was closed off from the outside world at least until the last few centuries. They probably knew using a historical figure who could appeal to a demographic would be a great idea. I admit I like the idea of doing so especially for a change of pace to the generic formula. Of course AC tries to be (tries anyway) to get the history right.
One thing for sure. This game was not going to get an all ages (E in ESRB) rating for several reasons. Besides suggestive themes it also has alcohol, tobacco and gambling which is enough to bump it up to a T rating anyways. So the covering of a characters body does nothing in context to other things.
@AussieMcBucket What was that again about tolerance? It’s a two way street. You can’t tell someone what they can and cannot enjoy. Her attire does actually make sense in the context of the fantasy game. In dragon quest (in most games of the series anyway) female characters are weaker in strength but they do have other advantages such as increased magic and able to use their sex appeal (which is a stat in the games opposite the male charisma stat) to use female specific abilities such as Puff-Puff and Sexy Beam. So her showing off her body makes thematic sense. Take the sisters Maya and Meena in dq4. One is a dancer so she shows off her body while her sister a fortune teller dresses more modestly in a long dress.
@AussieMcBucket Then just don’t play games that have those tropes and leave it alone for everyone else to enjoy. Like the Hank Williams junior song says “why can’t everybody else leave everybody else alone?! Hey you do your thing and we’ll do our thing too!”
Even then it’s not rated all ages. It’s going to end up rated teen at least. Besides the changes arebt going to make someone who wasn’t interested in it before suddenly buy it just because they cover up some skin. Heck given that young kids play GTA then people have nothing to complain about.
@Ulysses It’s in poor taste. The changes completely alter his art. These changes aren’t going to cause someone to buy it who wasn’t going to anyway although they may claim some grand agenda about making a fantasy character less sexual. It’s a fantasy game. Bikini armor is a trope of fantasy games and fantasy in general. The bunny girls and puff puff parlors and casinos have also been a staple of the series. So why?
Sounds like they should’ve stuck to the grid based movement instead of this seamless transition style. It really threw me for a loop playing the LA remake.
@Ulysses
It’s not minuscule it’s quite a bit of censorship. Especially to censor a great artists artwork essentially saying that they fixed his art. How dare they. Just leave it as it was originally. Just because they want to please a small minority of “oh think of the children” alarmists that aren’t actually going to buy the product regardless anyway regardless of the changes.
The unnecessary and quite frankly ridiculous censorship of the late great Toriyamas character designs is turning this from a day one purchase to possible never.
@Serpenterror
It’s been a while since I played silver star harmony on psp but I seem to remember having random encounters and exploration between areas. That and the boat song was superior too although @Ralizah will disagree with me till the end of time.
I was like cool Lawson is an outdoorsman gear and gun store near where I live. I thought yes Zelda is going to get a gun! Then I read it was a convenience store chain in Japan then I just thought of her summoning a slushy machine.
Maybe they will actually put the series on switch before he retires. Actually running on the switch not a cloud game which only maybe 1% of consumers can actually play.
@liljmoore
Yeah but what purpose does it actually serve? There is no game to store inside it. The code once used is disposable then it’s no different from just buying on the eshop straight out. As I said it’s digital with extra steps. Heaven forbid you don’t have reliable internet to actually get the game after you buy a code in box!
Let’s be honest that’s not a physical copy by any stretch of the imagination. It’s digital with extra steps thrown in. Physical isn’t dying. It’s the stupid companies making stupid decisions that is causing the issue.
@27celsius They shouldn’t have to. It’s already been in there for years at this point. So you’re saying they should just have the move not work at all on her or just be a static image with no graphical change?
@27celsius
Still shouldn’t be that big of an issue. It’s an homage just like the various other Easter eggs and references found in the game. Like all the giant mecha and Kamen rider references.
@Pak-Man
The games were already rated years ago. They shouldn’t have to go through ratings again just because some people who aren’t even going to buy it may get offended. And may is the keyword “may” be offended.
@Maxz
That may be true but many times the intent is changed completely independently of what the company wants as has been documented several times on the inter webs in the last several months whete translators have come forward and basically said “yeah I didn’t like the original intent so I improved it you’re welcome”. If they can translate text faster and be closer to the original intent then using ai as a tool should mitigate this to practically none. I look at untranslated text and i totally could just make up what’s going on but I’d probably be no where near the original intent. I used the translate app on my phone and it gives me a rough idea of what it is saying then I can actually translate it based upon context to be close to the intent.
It’s long but he translates what the Japanese is saying vs what the English localization is. It’s completely different night and day. Let’s not forget either how Nintendo completely changed the intent of the Gravure themed dungeon in TMS to be about hip hop street fashion instead. It just seems like localizers are using it more to push how they want to tell the story vs the original creators intent. They should strive to keep it as close as possible without injecting anything new to the narrative. For the longest time I’ve watched anime with the dub on and the Japanese sub and boy I will tell you there is a major disconnect between what the English line is and the original.
@Maxz It shouldn’t give them so much creative license to change intent. A pun name being changed to be more relevant vs VAs and localizers completely changing the root context of something else (like this example from foxbusiness.com It was eventually revealed that Leonoudakis was responsible for the questionable subtitles. Online critics noted that Leonoudakis had also been a vocal defender of Seven Seas Entertainment's decisions to change the "I Think I Turned My Childhood Friend Into a Girl" character Hiura Mihate from a feminine male to a transgender female.)
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@Doctor-Moo
Yeah but thy are more faithful to the original material.
Re: Video: Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake Side-By-Side Graphics Comparison
@Serpenterror
I’m voting with my wallet. If it flops well they have tons of feedback already saying it was a poor idea. I’ll buy the original on the eshop but not the new one (or get the physical three pack of the games. That would be better.)
Re: Video: Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake Side-By-Side Graphics Comparison
@Ultimapunch
They’ll just censor it and ruin its art and will want to change it for modern audiences.
Re: Video: Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake Side-By-Side Graphics Comparison
I’ll just play the original or the one already on the eshop. I’m not supporting the new release.
Re: Switch Online's Expansion Pack Promises "Excitement" In 2025
Hopefully they add a way to purchase individual titles for non subscribers or for those who only want basic online play to purchase those from the expansion as well.
Re: Can You Name These Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Enemies?
20/25 not bad at all.
Re: All 14 Games In The Upcoming 'Tetris Forever' Compilation Have Been Confirmed
No Tengen Tetris, Tetris Plus, Tetris DX, Tetris Attack or Tetris World. Whew Tetris, Tetris, Tetris Tetris!
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@FlyingDunsparce
Hear hear! Bravo bravo!
Re: Dragon Quest Creator Chimes In On Characters Showing Less Skin In Upcoming HD-2D Remake
@Ulysses
That’s one thing I never understood. You’d think businesses would see the comments about why consumers don’t buy their games and try to do something about it. “Oh we goofed up big time on the next game we will not make the same mistake and make the game the creators want and sell it on its own merits instead of trying to do the impossible task of pleasing and trying to kiss every alarmists rear end.”
Re: Dragon Quest Creator Chimes In On Characters Showing Less Skin In Upcoming HD-2D Remake
@AussieMcBucket
So what about my viewpoint? If that’s what you want then mine should have as much bearing on tve issue as yours.
Diversity-the practice or quality of including or involving people from a range of different social and ethnic backgrounds and of different genders, sexual orientations, etc.
So my view and having characters show off skin is included in diversity since like a salad if you take out everything you don’t like you’ll be left with nothing.
Re: Dragon Quest Creator Chimes In On Characters Showing Less Skin In Upcoming HD-2D Remake
How games are ruined by trying to please too many people rather than just being what the creators wanted.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6xmXVUaafxs&pp=ygUWTW9kZXJuIGdhbWUgZGVzaWduIGJlZQ%3D%3D
Re: Dragon Quest Creator Chimes In On Characters Showing Less Skin In Upcoming HD-2D Remake
@atombomb66
Yes the Japanese and international versions will be identical. They said as much in the interview.
Re: Dragon Quest Creator Chimes In On Characters Showing Less Skin In Upcoming HD-2D Remake
@Vexx234
Yes of course but that was an exception considering Japan was closed off from the outside world at least until the last few centuries. They probably knew using a historical figure who could appeal to a demographic would be a great idea. I admit I like the idea of doing so especially for a change of pace to the generic formula. Of course AC tries to be (tries anyway) to get the history right.
Re: Dragon Quest Creator Chimes In On Characters Showing Less Skin In Upcoming HD-2D Remake
One thing for sure. This game was not going to get an all ages (E in ESRB) rating for several reasons. Besides suggestive themes it also has alcohol, tobacco and gambling which is enough to bump it up to a T rating anyways. So the covering of a characters body does nothing in context to other things.
Re: Dragon Quest Creator Chimes In On Characters Showing Less Skin In Upcoming HD-2D Remake
@AussieMcBucket
What was that again about tolerance? It’s a two way street. You can’t tell someone what they can and cannot enjoy. Her attire does actually make sense in the context of the fantasy game. In dragon quest (in most games of the series anyway) female characters are weaker in strength but they do have other advantages such as increased magic and able to use their sex appeal (which is a stat in the games opposite the male charisma stat) to use female specific abilities such as Puff-Puff and Sexy Beam. So her showing off her body makes thematic sense. Take the sisters Maya and Meena in dq4. One is a dancer so she shows off her body while her sister a fortune teller dresses more modestly in a long dress.
Re: Dragon Quest Creator Chimes In On Characters Showing Less Skin In Upcoming HD-2D Remake
@AussieMcBucket
Then just don’t play games that have those tropes and leave it alone for everyone else to enjoy. Like the Hank Williams junior song says “why can’t everybody else leave everybody else alone?! Hey you do your thing and we’ll do our thing too!”
Re: Dragon Quest Creator Chimes In On Characters Showing Less Skin In Upcoming HD-2D Remake
Even then it’s not rated all ages. It’s going to end up rated teen at least. Besides the changes arebt going to make someone who wasn’t interested in it before suddenly buy it just because they cover up some skin. Heck given that young kids play GTA then people have nothing to complain about.
Re: Nintendo Patents Filed After Palworld's Release Suggest Lawsuit Prep Started Months Ago
If the patents weren’t filed until “after” Palworlds release then Nintendo doesn’t have much of a legal leg to stand on.
Re: Californian Law Dictates Storefronts Be Honest About Digital Game Ownership
They should just force them to change it to saying we own digital purchases and those purchases are equivalent to physical media.
Re: Get A Closer Look At Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake In New Gameplay Trailer
@Ulysses
It’s in poor taste. The changes completely alter his art. These changes aren’t going to cause someone to buy it who wasn’t going to anyway although they may claim some grand agenda about making a fantasy character less sexual. It’s a fantasy game. Bikini armor is a trope of fantasy games and fantasy in general. The bunny girls and puff puff parlors and casinos have also been a staple of the series. So why?
Re: Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom's Frame Rate Is "Even Worse" Than Link's Awakening
Sounds like they should’ve stuck to the grid based movement instead of this seamless transition style. It really threw me for a loop playing the LA remake.
Re: Get A Closer Look At Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake In New Gameplay Trailer
@Ulysses
It’s not minuscule it’s quite a bit of censorship. Especially to censor a great artists artwork essentially saying that they fixed his art. How dare they. Just leave it as it was originally. Just because they want to please a small minority of “oh think of the children” alarmists that aren’t actually going to buy the product regardless anyway regardless of the changes.
Re: Get A Closer Look At Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake In New Gameplay Trailer
The unnecessary and quite frankly ridiculous censorship of the late great Toriyamas character designs is turning this from a day one purchase to possible never.
Re: Every New Game For Atari 50's New Paid DLC Has Been Revealed
Berserk berserk berserk over you!
Re: Lunar Remastered Collection Revives Beloved '90s JRPG Series On Switch In Spring 2025
@Serpenterror
It’s been a while since I played silver star harmony on psp but I seem to remember having random encounters and exploration between areas. That and the boat song was superior too although @Ralizah will disagree with me till the end of time.
Re: Lunar Remastered Collection Revives Beloved '90s JRPG Series On Switch In Spring 2025
So is this going to be a remaster of the psp silver star harmony? Best version of the boat song too!
Re: Nintendo Teams Up With Lawson In New Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Campaign
I was like cool Lawson is an outdoorsman gear and gun store near where I live. I thought yes Zelda is going to get a gun! Then I read it was a convenience store chain in Japan then I just thought of her summoning a slushy machine.
Re: Tetsuya Nomura Contemplates Retirement And Concluding Kingdom Hearts
Maybe they will actually put the series on switch before he retires. Actually running on the switch not a cloud game which only maybe 1% of consumers can actually play.
Re: Sony's PlayStation Vita Exclusive Freedom Wars Is Getting Remastered For Switch
I loved playing this on vita! Much better than any monster hunter-esque game I’ve ever played. The combat the mechanics all are so solid.
Re: Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance Free Update Adding New Demon Navigators
Or maybe smt 1, 2, Digital Devil Saga, Jack Bros, and the Demi kids games.
Re: Marvel vs. Capcom Fighting Collection For Switch Confirmed As "Code In Box" Release (Europe)
@liljmoore
Yeah but what purpose does it actually serve? There is no game to store inside it. The code once used is disposable then it’s no different from just buying on the eshop straight out. As I said it’s digital with extra steps. Heaven forbid you don’t have reliable internet to actually get the game after you buy a code in box!
Re: Marvel vs. Capcom Fighting Collection For Switch Confirmed As "Code In Box" Release (Europe)
Let’s be honest that’s not a physical copy by any stretch of the imagination. It’s digital with extra steps thrown in. Physical isn’t dying. It’s the stupid companies making stupid decisions that is causing the issue.
Re: The Last Ninja Collection Brings Seven Retro Games To Switch In 2025
Isn’t this the game where the nerd went off because he couldn’t land on a passing boat in the game?
Re: Capcom Outlines Changes To Each Game In 'Fighting Collection 2'
@27celsius
Re: Capcom Outlines Changes To Each Game In 'Fighting Collection 2'
@27celsius
They shouldn’t have to. It’s already been in there for years at this point. So you’re saying they should just have the move not work at all on her or just be a static image with no graphical change?
Re: Capcom Outlines Changes To Each Game In 'Fighting Collection 2'
@Edu23XWiiU
No idea what the comment was. Do continue.
Re: Mini Review: Sunsoft Is Back! Retro Game Selection (Switch) - An Intriguing But Limited Slice Of History
Needs to add the Batman games and Journey to Silius.
Re: Capcom Outlines Changes To Each Game In 'Fighting Collection 2'
@27celsius
Still shouldn’t be that big of an issue. It’s an homage just like the various other Easter eggs and references found in the game. Like all the giant mecha and Kamen rider references.
Re: Capcom Outlines Changes To Each Game In 'Fighting Collection 2'
@27celsius
Capcom made a jojo fighting game so it makes sense why she does (especially since I’ve heard Rose was based on the character)
Re: Capcom Outlines Changes To Each Game In 'Fighting Collection 2'
@27celsius
So? Plenty of references to other anime/manga in the MvC games as well and they didn’t get the chop.
Re: Capcom Outlines Changes To Each Game In 'Fighting Collection 2'
https://boundingintocomics.com/2024/08/27/capcom-to-censor-capcom-fighting-collection-2-will-alter-some-stage-visuals-and-certain-visuals-during-the-story-of-featured-titles/amp/
Possible things that will get changed.
Re: The Legend Of Zelda '80s Cartoon Series Gets DVD Re-Release
@N00BiSH
Do you mean do a series? They did in the 90s.
Re: Capcom Outlines Changes To Each Game In 'Fighting Collection 2'
@27celsius
They are removing several of Demitris midnight bliss attacks and hiding boobs and covering more risqué outfits.
Re: Capcom Outlines Changes To Each Game In 'Fighting Collection 2'
@Pak-Man
The games were already rated years ago. They shouldn’t have to go through ratings again just because some people who aren’t even going to buy it may get offended. And may is the keyword “may” be offended.
Re: Capcom Outlines Changes To Each Game In 'Fighting Collection 2'
@Edu23XWiiU
Doesn’t sound like that’s the case at all.
Re: The Legend Of Zelda '80s Cartoon Series Gets DVD Re-Release
Hey Excuuuuuse me princess!
Re: Capcom Outlines Changes To Each Game In 'Fighting Collection 2'
Censorship bleh! Should’ve just kept the original art and stage layouts! No one is gonna be offended by some boobs!
Re: Bayonetta Star Jennifer Hale On The SAG-AFTRA Strikes: "AI Is Coming For Us All"
@Maxz
That may be true but many times the intent is changed completely independently of what the company wants as has been documented several times on the inter webs in the last several months whete translators have come forward and basically said “yeah I didn’t like the original intent so I improved it you’re welcome”. If they can translate text faster and be closer to the original intent then using ai as a tool should mitigate this to practically none. I look at untranslated text and i totally could just make up what’s going on but I’d probably be no where near the original intent. I used the translate app on my phone and it gives me a rough idea of what it is saying then I can actually translate it based upon context to be close to the intent.
Re: Bayonetta Star Jennifer Hale On The SAG-AFTRA Strikes: "AI Is Coming For Us All"
@GarlicGuzzler @Maxz
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cqiMLj-dFrY
It’s long but he translates what the Japanese is saying vs what the English localization is. It’s completely different night and day. Let’s not forget either how Nintendo completely changed the intent of the Gravure themed dungeon in TMS to be about hip hop street fashion instead. It just seems like localizers are using it more to push how they want to tell the story vs the original creators intent. They should strive to keep it as close as possible without injecting anything new to the narrative. For the longest time I’ve watched anime with the dub on and the Japanese sub and boy I will tell you there is a major disconnect between what the English line is and the original.
Re: Bayonetta Star Jennifer Hale On The SAG-AFTRA Strikes: "AI Is Coming For Us All"
@Maxz
It shouldn’t give them so much creative license to change intent. A pun name being changed to be more relevant vs VAs and localizers completely changing the root context of something else (like this example from foxbusiness.com It was eventually revealed that Leonoudakis was responsible for the questionable subtitles. Online critics noted that Leonoudakis had also been a vocal defender of Seven Seas Entertainment's decisions to change the "I Think I Turned My Childhood Friend Into a Girl" character Hiura Mihate from a feminine male to a transgender female.)