I’m legitimately surprised at how high the “top 5” votes are! For me it’s kind of a standard Zelda experience — not excellent in any regard really, but still a great little adventure. As the series grows to 18 (21 if you count the multiplayer titles) I think I’d have to bump MC down to #… 13-14? But I still love it!
That explains why I keep running into opponents with teams full of Mewtwo EX cards. 😭 I have enjoyed it a lot since I hadn’t ever learned how to play the card game but yeah, luck if the draw really does end up largely controlling a win or loss.
VIII was fantastic! But everyone seems to agree that it’s the series’ best so I’m curious whether I’ll care for any of the others. The campy “gothic” aesthetic of IX failed to capture my interest, and I’m excited to play X soon!
I ordered Y’s X: Nordics after loving VIII, but I’m sure that won’t arrive right away, and regardless I have no other gaming goals until I finish the addictive and cheerful Echoes of Wisdom.
Playing and loving Echoes of Wisdom! It doesn’t feel like I’m playing long, but the hours rack up somehow! At one point I had acquired a few echoes too powerful for me to cast, which felt like a cool reward for exploring off-beat areas.
I had just finished Oracle of Seasons before my copy of EoW arrived, so I’ll probably continue on with Oracle of Ages whenever I finish it.
My copy of Echoes of Wisdom arrived Thursday afternoon — and Friday was a national holiday! Perfect timing to jump in! While the scope of it is a bit overwhelming (I can just.. go anywhere? But I can’t see far like in BotW..), I’m really loving the experience so far! Can’t wait to see whether the series lore will be expanded or not. Lately they seem loathe to connect to other games, though I have already encountered 2 references to Oracle of Ages — the two Zora tribes and a boss I won’t spoil. Top-down Zelda certainly has its own special charm!
@DjinnFighter I think BotW was the first “mute” Link in that they foolishly added that line in Zelda’s journal about Link not talking much because of the pressure to fulfill his role perfectly or some such nonsense. Really annoyed me because I had always understood Link to be talking in a way we can’t hear but then they awkwardly lampshaded it in a way that creates an issue. I wish they wouldn’t do this.
As a kid I played it at my neighbors house and thought it was the greatest. I revisited it on the virtual console recently and discovered… I would not sit through this without the rewind feature 😅
For me there are very few SNES classics that really hold up. RPGs fare the best. And the two Mario platformers.
Similar to Ollie, I’ve decided to revisit the awesome Zelda Oracle Series before EoW comes out. Started fresh in Oracle of Seasons but my old file is only missing 4 of the 64 rings, so I might put in a little work on that old, oh so close to 100% completion file too.
The only one I would even consider getting is Eldin Ring, as that's the only game that's ever made me jealous of a non-Switch console. Although to be honest I feel like I hardly hear anyone talk about it anymore.
Really enjoyed Sonic Superstars as the most original 2D Sonic in decades, but still can’t shake the feeling that it’s constantly referencing the Genesis era games (how many “casino” type levels go we need?? And the final boss was like a reimagining of S&K too..) still, it was fun and I might try the unlocked mode.
Otherwise playing Cadence of Hyrule with my young brother-in-law. This is one I tried a few years back and did not enjoy one bit, but discovering multiplayer made me give it another go and it’s a nice time.
Finally, I’m still creeping through my first playthrough of Tactics Ogre: Reborn at like 95 hours… I’ll complete it some day I suppose.
@Tyranexx I’ve always felt it was a mistake to place Oracles as the LttP Link because she obviously introduces herself to him when she appears in that game. In other regards it does fit though, when considering the Triforce is united and accessible to Link, Ganon is dead, and Hyrule is at peace. Just doesn’t need to be the same Link, or Zelda, or both.
@JohnnyMind I’ll repeat my previous assertion that the “limiting creativity” line is just an excuse. There’s no mechanic, enemy, or dungeon that couldn’t be applied to whatever timeline plot you want. You could have Ultrahand, Fuse, Ascend, Recall, and LBW wall-merging all on the BotW engine and still set the story as a sequel to Twilight Princess or Oracles. Because by their own admission the plot isn’t a major focus. So why would it limit what they can do in other regards?
I wish Nintendo would stop commenting on the timeline if they don’t actually care about it. Don’t get me wrong, I love piecing it all together into a coherent timeline and would be thrilled for Nintendo to clarify if they actually made effort. But multiverse thinking is the lamest of creative crutches and presently, fans do a better job than Nintendo at actually forming coherence. Nintendo should commit to an actual plot or leave it to fans, not try to have it both ways.
Also, don’t buy their narrative about story limiting their creativity, because you can fit any kind of plot into whatever gameplay they come up with. They could easily have made BotW or TotK as a sequel to any previous game they wanted with only minor tweaks in the plot.
These “there is no timeline” hive-minders are a drag, man. True that Nintendo doesn’t really care about lore in their games, but until the past few entries there was evidence enough to make a nice picture. They ruined it with the whole “downfall” concept.. multiverse storytelling is just the worst. (As @Oracles_fanboi points out)
For me, the most essential clue in timeline theory has always been Ganon himself — whether he is living or not. Ganon dies at the end of LttP and does not appear in LBW. Will the Ganon we see in the opening be revived from the dead, freed from imprisonment, or a new incarnation altogether? The existence of gerudo in this game could mean he’s a reborn version, though the porcine form is usually something that he gains in desperation from the Triforce of power, so maybe it’s an encore appearance.
Another key is the state of the Triforce: is it whole? Is it in the real world or hidden in some other dimension?
These questions will tell us a lot, but based on a single trailer I’m going to say some time after LBW as @TourianTourist has pointed out, until we get more information. Come on Nintendo… don’t be careless about it please 😅
I can’t believe I just saw a new 2D Zelda announcement and am not totally excited, but I hate that Fisher-Price LA19 art style, and I’m not much in to building things, so….. I hope it’ll be good
@NTDO89 while I agree with the preaching sentiment, and I do get tired of this same copy+paste representation shtick in media journalism, saying you’re done with NL is a bit of throwing out the baby, I’d say. Articles with political overtones are like .001% of the content here.
Nice read and I’m happy for your redeemed experience! I think this often happens with hyped up games when we jump in knowing their reputation (I was pretty underwhelmed by ChronoTrigger, for example), and sometimes a fresh take can give us our own unique adventure.
Always interested in play time; would also be interested in peoples to ten favorite titles on the switch, and something about first party buy-in.
Maybe surveying how many of us played through each of the best sellers.
Also, frequency of total 100% completion, mostly completing, just seeing credits, and dropping part way through.
On one hand, I guess a standard feature of “art” is that the artist has sole creative control (not usually interactive). On the other hand, video games might be compared to architecture or landscaping — art in which the observer controls their perspective and interaction.
Anyway, shows, film, and phones definitely rot the brain more than most video games. At least you have something to do with your brain besides just stare and contemplate. Nature probably wins in that regard, although as a conversation piece I’m not sure. There are so many facets of evaluation for pastimes.
Hang on Animal Well, I will be there for you and am very excited about it, but I can’t tear myself away from Unicorn Overlord, which just never stops being fun.
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Re: Anniversary: The Legend Of Zelda: The Minish Cap Turns 20 Today
I’m legitimately surprised at how high the “top 5” votes are! For me it’s kind of a standard Zelda experience — not excellent in any regard really, but still a great little adventure. As the series grows to 18 (21 if you count the multiplayer titles) I think I’d have to bump MC down to #… 13-14? But I still love it!
Re: Pokémon TCG Pocket Is Reportedly Already Bringing In The Big Bucks
That explains why I keep running into opponents with teams full of Mewtwo EX cards. 😭
I have enjoyed it a lot since I hadn’t ever learned how to play the card game but yeah, luck if the draw really does end up largely controlling a win or loss.
Re: Random: Kit & Krysta Discuss The "Drama" Behind The Switch Reveal Trailer
@chardir do rooftop parties even happen in real life?
Re: Random: This Guy Found A Lost Pokémon Emerald Cartridge And Flew To Japan To 'Heal' It
Well I don’t think it personally know people with bootlegs cartridges..? And I don’t watch TikTok. However tracking down people is always interesting.
Re: Best Ys Games Of All Time - Switch And Nintendo Systems
VIII was fantastic! But everyone seems to agree that it’s the series’ best so I’m curious whether I’ll care for any of the others.
The campy “gothic” aesthetic of IX failed to capture my interest, and I’m excited to play X soon!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (26th October)
I ordered Y’s X: Nordics after loving VIII, but I’m sure that won’t arrive right away, and regardless I have no other gaming goals until I finish the addictive and cheerful Echoes of Wisdom.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (19th October)
Playing and loving Echoes of Wisdom! It doesn’t feel like I’m playing long, but the hours rack up somehow! At one point I had acquired a few echoes too powerful for me to cast, which felt like a cool reward for exploring off-beat areas.
I had just finished Oracle of Seasons before my copy of EoW arrived, so I’ll probably continue on with Oracle of Ages whenever I finish it.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (12th October)
My copy of Echoes of Wisdom arrived Thursday afternoon — and Friday was a national holiday! Perfect timing to jump in! While the scope of it is a bit overwhelming (I can just.. go anywhere? But I can’t see far like in BotW..), I’m really loving the experience so far! Can’t wait to see whether the series lore will be expanded or not. Lately they seem loathe to connect to other games, though I have already encountered 2 references to Oracle of Ages — the two Zora tribes and a boss I won’t spoil.
Top-down Zelda certainly has its own special charm!
Re: Feature: That Time I Was Invited To Square HQ To Playtest Final Fantasy VI
Is that subtitle an Elrond reference?
Very interesting story! You never hear about these kinds of experiences and it sounds like a fantastic opportunity.
Re: Random: There's A Reason Link Can't Speak In Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom
@DjinnFighter I think BotW was the first “mute” Link in that they foolishly added that line in Zelda’s journal about Link not talking much because of the pressure to fulfill his role perfectly or some such nonsense. Really annoyed me because I had always understood Link to be talking in a way we can’t hear but then they awkwardly lampshaded it in a way that creates an issue.
I wish they wouldn’t do this.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (28th September)
Still waiting for EoW to arrive, this weekend it’ll be Tactics Ogre:Reborn, Oracle of Seasons & Ages, and maybe some Rayman Legends with the in-laws.
Re: Catch-Up Crew: Donkey Kong Country - "I Liked His Big Red, Er, Ribbit-Bag?"
@KingMike never knew that! What’s the reward..?
Re: Catch-Up Crew: Donkey Kong Country - "I Liked His Big Red, Er, Ribbit-Bag?"
As a kid I played it at my neighbors house and thought it was the greatest. I revisited it on the virtual console recently and discovered… I would not sit through this without the rewind feature 😅
For me there are very few SNES classics that really hold up. RPGs fare the best. And the two Mario platformers.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (21st September)
Similar to Ollie, I’ve decided to revisit the awesome Zelda Oracle Series before EoW comes out. Started fresh in Oracle of Seasons but my old file is only missing 4 of the 64 rings, so I might put in a little work on that old, oh so close to 100% completion file too.
Re: Back Page: Dark World, Lorule, Termina - A Voyage Home To Hyrule Via Zelda's 'Other' Worlds
I think Labrynna has the most potential for expanded lore, followed by Holodrum and Lorule. Twilight Realm needs some attention too.
Re: Talking Point: What Game Should Be 'Switch 2's 'Skyrim Moment'?
The only one I would even consider getting is Eldin Ring, as that's the only game that's ever made me jealous of a non-Switch console. Although to be honest I feel like I hardly hear anyone talk about it anymore.
Re: Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Details Role Of Longtime Recurring Character
I’d rather see Tingle, Maple, Malon, Kass, or Salvatore, personally; but Dampé’s character evolution is something to see.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (7th September)
Really enjoyed Sonic Superstars as the most original 2D Sonic in decades, but still can’t shake the feeling that it’s constantly referencing the Genesis era games (how many “casino” type levels go we need?? And the final boss was like a reimagining of S&K too..) still, it was fun and I might try the unlocked mode.
Otherwise playing Cadence of Hyrule with my young brother-in-law. This is one I tried a few years back and did not enjoy one bit, but discovering multiplayer made me give it another go and it’s a nice time.
Finally, I’m still creeping through my first playthrough of Tactics Ogre: Reborn at like 95 hours… I’ll complete it some day I suppose.
Re: 50 Best GameCube Games Of All Time
Prime above WW..?? That’s absurd
Re: Zelda Timeline Featuring Breath Of The Wild And Tears Of The Kingdom Spotted
@Tyranexx I’ve always felt it was a mistake to place Oracles as the LttP Link because she obviously introduces herself to him when she appears in that game.
In other regards it does fit though, when considering the Triforce is united and accessible to Link, Ganon is dead, and Hyrule is at peace. Just doesn’t need to be the same Link, or Zelda, or both.
Re: Zelda Timeline Featuring Breath Of The Wild And Tears Of The Kingdom Spotted
@JohnnyMind I’ll repeat my previous assertion that the “limiting creativity” line is just an excuse. There’s no mechanic, enemy, or dungeon that couldn’t be applied to whatever timeline plot you want. You could have Ultrahand, Fuse, Ascend, Recall, and LBW wall-merging all on the BotW engine and still set the story as a sequel to Twilight Princess or Oracles.
Because by their own admission the plot isn’t a major focus. So why would it limit what they can do in other regards?
Re: Zelda Timeline Featuring Breath Of The Wild And Tears Of The Kingdom Spotted
I wish Nintendo would stop commenting on the timeline if they don’t actually care about it. Don’t get me wrong, I love piecing it all together into a coherent timeline and would be thrilled for Nintendo to clarify if they actually made effort. But multiverse thinking is the lamest of creative crutches and presently, fans do a better job than Nintendo at actually forming coherence. Nintendo should commit to an actual plot or leave it to fans, not try to have it both ways.
Also, don’t buy their narrative about story limiting their creativity, because you can fit any kind of plot into whatever gameplay they come up with. They could easily have made BotW or TotK as a sequel to any previous game they wanted with only minor tweaks in the plot.
Re: Soapbox: The Trauma Of Giygas & Growing Up In EarthBound
Well that was a thoughtful analysis!
Re: Soapbox: 20 Years After His Last Mainline Appearance, Tingle Deserves A Comeback
Never understood the hate he got.
I mean, I don’t want him taking center stage really but he fits in with Beedle, Kilton, and other kooky characters.
Re: Dragon Quest Creator On The Challenge Of Silent Protagonists In Modern Gaming
I like the Wind Waker approach
Re: Best Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Games, Ranked - Every TMNT Game On Switch And Nintendo Systems
Wow there are a lot of TMNT games.
Re: Reminder: Zelda Switch Lite 'Hyrule Edition' Pre-Orders Are Now Live, Will You Be Getting It?
Never have I ever wanted a Switch that doesn’t actually switch.
Re: UK Charts: Switch Games Take Up Eight Of The Top Ten
@InTree Do you know Eek the Cat?
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting Nintendo World Championships: NES Edition?
I'm not at all interested. I could see it being a fun party game once in a blue moon, but I'll leave that to whoever hosts the party.
Re: Feature: Where Does 'Echoes Of Wisdom' Fit In The Zelda Timeline? Here Are 3 Theories
These “there is no timeline” hive-minders are a drag, man. True that Nintendo doesn’t really care about lore in their games, but until the past few entries there was evidence enough to make a nice picture. They ruined it with the whole “downfall” concept.. multiverse storytelling is just the worst. (As @Oracles_fanboi points out)
For me, the most essential clue in timeline theory has always been Ganon himself — whether he is living or not. Ganon dies at the end of LttP and does not appear in LBW. Will the Ganon we see in the opening be revived from the dead, freed from imprisonment, or a new incarnation altogether? The existence of gerudo in this game could mean he’s a reborn version, though the porcine form is usually something that he gains in desperation from the Triforce of power, so maybe it’s an encore appearance.
Another key is the state of the Triforce: is it whole? Is it in the real world or hidden in some other dimension?
These questions will tell us a lot, but based on a single trailer I’m going to say some time after LBW as @TourianTourist has pointed out, until we get more information. Come on Nintendo… don’t be careless about it please 😅
Re: Video: 10 Exciting New Games Coming To Nintendo Switch In July 2024
The near future is looking busy for me with Echoes of Wisdom, Y’s X, and the Dragon Quest III remake… I’ll pass on new releases until then.
Re: Poll: What's Your Switch Game Of The Year Of 2024 So Far?
Unicorn Overlord was fantastic! Looking forward to a harder playthrough some day.
Re: Gallery: The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Is A Glorious Mix Of Old And New
I’m not in to building mechanics, and that plastic art style is so irritating, but hopefully I’ll like this one and it’ll build the series lore.
Re: New 2D Adventure 'The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom' Announced For This September
I can’t believe I just saw a new 2D Zelda announcement and am not totally excited, but I hate that Fisher-Price LA19 art style, and I’m not much in to building things, so….. I hope it’ll be good
Re: Capcom's 'Super Elections' Reveals Fan Favourite Characters, Games And More
What nonsense is this about X being more popular than Zero?
Re: Best Star Wars Video Games, Ranked - Switch And Nintendo Systems
I always thought I hated Episode 2, but on a rewatch last year I decided it’s actually one of my favorites.
Re: Talking Point: HD-2D Or 3D - How Should Square Enix Remake Chrono Trigger?
I was a bit disappointed when I got to try this game, given its reputation. That said, I think a hand-drawn looking style would be best.
Re: The Legend Of Heroes: Trails Through Daybreak Demo Now Available On Switch eShop
Looks alot like Y's VIII to me
Re: Soapbox: Nintendo Needs More Characters Like Paper Mario's Vivian
@NTDO89 while I agree with the preaching sentiment, and I do get tired of this same copy+paste representation shtick in media journalism, saying you’re done with NL is a bit of throwing out the baby, I’d say. Articles with political overtones are like .001% of the content here.
Re: Talking Point: How Do You Define 'Retro'?
I’d say two console generations prior. Wii is slightly retro, GCN is pretty retro, N64 is really retro..
Re: Talking Point: What Other LEGO Zelda Sets Would You Like To See After The Deku Tree?
Forget LEGO, let's get Fisher-Price's Great Adventures series on this!

Re: Poll: So, What Are Your First Impressions Of LEGO's Zelda 'Great Deku Tree' Set?
I just don't get Lego — especially these sets with so many custom pieces — it may as well just be a traditional model to assemble.
Re: Soapbox: After Restarting My Save File, I Finally 'Get' Hollow Knight
Nice read and I’m happy for your redeemed experience! I think this often happens with hyped up games when we jump in knowing their reputation (I was pretty underwhelmed by ChronoTrigger, for example), and sometimes a fresh take can give us our own unique adventure.
Re: Random: Sakurai Likens Boss Battles In Nintendo Games To Tutorials
I don’t want all one or the other, really
Re: Site News: Suggest Questions For Our Upcoming Switch Summer Survey
Always interested in play time; would also be interested in peoples to ten favorite titles on the switch, and something about first party buy-in.
Maybe surveying how many of us played through each of the best sellers.
Also, frequency of total 100% completion, mostly completing, just seeing credits, and dropping part way through.
Re: Talking Point: 'Remake' Vs. 'Remaster' - What's Your Definition?
I don’t care about assets, but to me a remake means there’s something different about it than before — not just visuals, UI, QoL things.
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door For Switch?
Never played the original, though I enjoyed the N64 Paper Mario. so I’m interested but not exactly in a hurry
Re: Mailbox: 'Switch 2' Launch Ports, Soulslikes For Beginners, Poké Parks - Nintendo Life Letters
On one hand, I guess a standard feature of “art” is that the artist has sole creative control (not usually interactive). On the other hand, video games might be compared to architecture or landscaping — art in which the observer controls their perspective and interaction.
Anyway, shows, film, and phones definitely rot the brain more than most video games. At least you have something to do with your brain besides just stare and contemplate. Nature probably wins in that regard, although as a conversation piece I’m not sure. There are so many facets of evaluation for pastimes.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (18th May)
@DemonKow love Ultimate Chicken Horse with 4 players!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (18th May)
Hang on Animal Well, I will be there for you and am very excited about it, but I can’t tear myself away from Unicorn Overlord, which just never stops being fun.