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GX - while very hard - was also insanely rewarding. I remember the satisfaction from taking out all the other hovercrafts with the spin attack. And the hidden waggle speed was another cool addition. I didn’t have any issues with the controls - a steep learning curve but never unfair at least in the race mode. I didn’t play X much so will have to go back to make a complete assessment - but for now, I vote GX.

If say Nintendo sees a similar decline the next few years, there’s still a chance it can catch the ps2. After all, that console sold on the market for 10 years. My projections:
FY2023 - 15M
FY2024 - 10M
FY2025 - 5M

And if they do any discounting or add additional models - that would certainly help them get over the ps2. They also need a few more bangers - Maybe a 2D Mario, Prime 4, and Arceus 2.

@Nikki_boagreis if the Japan one is lazy, then wouldn’t the European one also be lazy? It’s the same cover, just a color swap from what I can tell.

Was there any info on how the research was conducted? Survey of 100 Sony fans? I think this is fairly inaccurate considering a few things - Animal Crossing fever in 2020 and the Switch selling 28M that fiscal year. Splatoon 3 and Pokémon games in 2022 having the highest launch sales ever. Then you have Nintendo opening theme parks in Japan and LA, the Mario Movie grossing close to $1.3B - currently the #4 highest grossing animated movie ever, and now Zelda selling 10M copies in 3 days. Yes, system sales have slowed but the Switch is the #3 all time console and they haven’t really had many iterations or even a price drop since launch. So yeah - very skeptical of this chart.

Remember this movie spoof? I thought it was pretty well done at the time…

https://youtu.be/HBCzkz3gHb8

@Serialsid thanks for sharing. Is there a website that breaks down every console?

Is there a list somewhere of where the switch ranks in terms of software sales vs all other consoles? Curious if it has outsold the ps2.

I would prefer a Zelda II 3D version if they could find a way to keep it entertaining. Maybe similar to Mario 3D land isometric style.

On a side note - do you think it would be fun to toy with Mario’s age in a new game? Maybe Mario falls into a hall of mirrors where one level he’s an old man, another a baby and so on…

@SonOfDracula what about Robert DeNiro? lol

Maybe what he was referring to - Link will gain some sort of god-like abilities to rebuild towns in the game that were destroyed by ganondorf?

In recent memory, I was stumped a few times in Odyssey only to realize after looking up online that if you shake the controller, bullet bill and the frog costumes both propel you further. I was mainly playing in handheld mode but still…

In Goodeneye 007 - if you activate the fast mode cheat in the cradle level - Bond will fly off the helicopter. If you activate the slow mode cheat- the helicopter will leave without him. And if you play the train level on fast mode, in the end level cut scene, bond will somehow kill the final guard while pointing his gun in a different direction!!

I’m calling it - if Nintendo releases a new Zelda and Mario game this year, and special switch Zelda and Mario models - that would certainly make sense to boost production!

For me - the social sim parts of three houses were a fun diversion at first but quickly grew old. And there was just too many basic fetch quests. So I’m happy that it’s back to the bread and butter of what makes the series great.

It doesn’t few old to me simply because there are still so many great experiences to be had…and it feels like Nintendo is still just scratching the surface on the retro content. We live in an age where graphical improvements are no longer that impressive and a strong art style can be essentially timeless. It only feels old to the developers with newer games that struggle to port their games over.

Is it just me or are gamers getting awfully spoiled? The switch now has a catalog of over 5000 games. Back in the N64 and Wii U days, we would be lucky to get more than a few games a month.

I don’t know if the switch can match 2017’s watermark year, but there’s certainly a lot of great new games and ports. I still think Nintendo is putting out a lot of great quality releases, rivaling the somewhat new ps5/Xbox x/s systems. My personal fav was the new ninja turtles -shredders revenge.

Imo a solid year, another long list of games to add to my back log. And several other games I just can’t buy until I make more progress. Honestly if you can’t find something good in the library, then you probably shouldn’t be gaming! Looking forward to pikmin 4 and Zelda next year.

@nukatha Seth Rogen is voicing him in the movie.

I’m not sure why people would put RE2 from N64 above an arguable best game of all time RE4.

@Not_Soos I also love the countless fan made piano renditions on YouTube.

So much great music. I might have to go with Kraid’s Lair.

A few others in contention - Aquatic ambiance, dire dire docks, piranha plant lullaby, Zelda’s theme.

Is this chart only for physical copies? I thought they sold 3.75 million in the first week.

If so - what are total sales - or do we not know?

@Zeldan64fan well I guess I have to give him credit for sticking to his warped believes here.

Maybe they should release it on the Wii U if he wants it to be more underground.

Didn’t you have to collect wolf tears in Twighlight princess? So maybe some references to that game will be present?

My counter argument to this being the best game

-It has the least amount of levels of any 3D Mario Game
-Too many filler Shines
-Bad voice acting
-Not very memorable cast
-Everything done here has been improved in subsequent outings

Imo the mobile game is the worst. And for me I wasn’t huge on the N64 version. I thought the original battle mode was more fun and the controls were very loose in the N64 game. Plus they ruined rainbow road. MK8 Deluxe is the most refined and really like the additional features like anti gravity speed boosting. The Wii version was a little too casual. Too many blue shells and random victories but still fun. Double Dash was a lot of fun and thought it was a great idea.

I would like to add TMNT Shredders Revenge. Super fun, each level is only about 5-10 min. Can beat the full game in under 2 hours.

I would add Gris, Celeste and Horace. Horace left a lasting impression on me about humanity and caring for a robot that at first seemed to have little emotions. Quite the feat.

How about breath of the child?

@Prizm ironically mm3 was supposedly rushed to release and the sometimes gritty feel can be attributed to that. I hear you with the item naming but I think that’s a minor point. Music was much better and gameplay was more pure.

So would you say these loot boxes are basically the reinvention of the arcade? Forced to keep buying something to be competitive after getting a little taste.

Well I think it actually has a good shot of beating PS2 as long as the console is being supported. All indicators I’ve read show Switch ahead of PS2. And once the PS3 came out, it still had a good 2 years of extended sales. Nintendo still hasn’t had any price drops, and if they continue to roll out a few major killer AAA games each year, it will do well.

I think maybe the team could implement a create a fighter so fan can make all their fav 3rd party characters for the next game…and a music editor. And for the adventure mode, maybe focus on a handful of staple characters and create a Nintendo mashup game. All wishful thinking but something different from the endless battles.

So what’s the plan for the 3 DS Castlevanias? Those were equally as entertaining IMO.

So many memorable songs. I would probably replace the super Mario land theme with SMB 1 over world. A few hidden gems for me - the song in SM64 when you are walking by sleeping piranha flowers, and the odyssey jump up superstar song.

Mega Man 2 for me is superior to 3 for a few reasons:

-Better music
-Better Weapons
-Better Stages
-Better Wily levels
-No wasted movements

MM3 is great, but the doc robot stages seemed tacked on to me, and this is the first game that starts to rehash some wily bosses like the rock monster guy. Proto man and Rush were nice additions, but not enough to overcome mm2’s pure joy.

Just wondering, why aren’t these lists ranked in order? It kind of takes a bit of the fun out of a list when we don’t know the true ranking.

Two for me include the robot chicken one, and Zelda Wii reveal with Shigeru Miyamoto.

The game sounds interesting...keep in mind it has only 6 meta critic reviews and is significantly lower than BOTW from fan reviews. But hey, I’m willing to give it a shot if it is 9 or 10/10 level

Nice Radiohead reference!

I love the Wii U for it’s time but there’s only a few games that really took advantage of the screen. Unless you are a diehard collector, no reason to buy now.

it’s was a mind blowing, revolutionary controller for Mario, Zelda, Star Fox and Racing games. It was meh for fighters. And over time there were issues with the stick grinding down and not setting. IMO, the SNES, wave bird, and gamepad pro are all better more refined. But none as revolutionary.

Well, I think not using CDs hurt nintendo, but the most hurtful part of this was the high price point Nintendo was charging 3rd parties to develop on a cartridge. From what I remember, the carts cost $25 to $30, whereas CD were a few bucks. This left little margin on the table, and in some cases caused games to launch in the $79 range. Pretty unheard of up until the N64 era. Some companies like square couldn't bring their games as well due to the size limitations.

But long term, cartridges have proven some key advantages, and they have a lot more resale value now, whereas a lot of the ps1 games are now unplayable due to scratches, and the tech failing.

I do think its funny when people on here say "nice list" or "game x should have been higher" as we the fans voted on the list!

Maybe I'm the only one here, but I thought Mario Kart 64 was the weakest entry, and Diddy Knog Racing was superior. I just felt the controls were too loose. And battle mode was more fun on SNES.

Crazy numbers. Right now it is ranked #6 all time in Japan. Should be able to move up a few more slots.

Well, the other thought to this equation, is while Nintendo made more total games in the 3DS/Wii U era, you could argue that the 3DS games were less resource heavy...and with every generation the games require more resources, people, etc.

EA has not been a great partner for Nintendo. I remember the early says of Wii U where they would release Mass Effect 3 at full price and release the Trilogy on other systems at a reduced price...and then complain why Nintendo sales weren't very good. Maybe they can turn things around some day but they clearly have been on sour terms since Nintendo rejected their EA network for Wii U.

@Giygas_95 I've seen XB2 on sale for 41.99. I picked It up a while back on sale last year.