With Nintendo NX getting closer to its big reveal there are still frequent reports around the system emerging online. Picking out solid sources is a tricky task, but fresh reports around a 'Social' button appear to have some validity.
LetsPlayVideoGames.com, which was the source of recent reports around detachable NX controllers having advanced force feedback - which in itself would offer plenty of gameplay potential if it comes through - has published another report. This time the focus is on a social button that could potentially take the concept started with Miiverse and go much further, falling more into line with current trends.
According to LPVG, this button will allow quick streaming and uploads of images and video to social platforms like YouTube, Twitter, Facebook and, of course, Miiverse; this content can also be saved on external storage. The button is said to be placed on one side of the screen (the left), and is separate from the usual HOME button.
LPVG has also reported that the NX - in dev kit form - features a 'split' D-Pad, rather like that seen on the DualShock 4, as opposed to the standard solid D-Pad normally seen on Nintendo hardware.
We've followed up with some sources of our own regarding this topic and, though they did not reiterate details around streaming and uploading content, did suggest that this Share / Social button is indeed a feature, also supporting claims around its placement at the opposite side of the HOME button. We've also heard that there are multiple sources around the split D-Pad on development units.
In some respects it would be surprising if Nintendo gave too much freedom in uploading and sharing video, in particular, though it has dabbled with controlled solutions such as Mario Kart TV. Yet the inclusion of a social 'Share' feature would be in touch with current-gen norms, and match up to a similar concept found, for example, on the PS4.
Do you like the idea of a 'Share' button on NX, or have any thoughts on the 'split' D-Pad? Let us know in the comments.
[source letsplayvideogames.com]
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Anything would be better than Miiverse. .......@." Snail mail.
I don't believe they'll abandon the traditional d pad. Why would they? They invented it afterall.
The normal d-pad is so iconic, that I would be a wee bit disappointed if they removed it
Ugh, no
I really want native screen recording and upscaling to 1080p And of course you should be able to transfer these files to a external device. A man can dream.
This rumor sounds pretty cool. Also, September is in 2 days from now so the NX COULD be revealed September 1st.
Just show us already.sept 15 can't get here fast enough
@NintendoEan Sept 15th
@Slim1999 September 15th? Do you mean the Tokyo Game Show? Nintendo said the NX won't be at Tokyo Game Show.
@Slim1999 when was sep 15 comfirmed?
No dates have been confirmed.
It's truly OK if this attract more people into the system. Maybe we could find some cool features around this button. If this rumor is true, for sure.
Shhhh Sony will copy it....erm...
NX real name...
It will determine two things : Approval or Rejection by Nintendo fans.
So Nintendo will allow you to upload snippets of your gameplay to YouTube and then pull them a month later for using their audio in your video? Sounds great.
ENOUGH, for God's sake!
Let's look at the Sheikah Slate... in the bottom right corner is a button with a (possibly) blue light in it, above what appears to be the power indicator light... so we can assume this to be the home button... while the opposite corner appears to have another, smaller button in the same position... matching the description of the share button.
How about a "share" button that lets you share more than just some text, or an image, or maybe some gameplay footage at most. How about a "share" button that actually let's you share messages, images drawn directly on NX, textures painted on NX, music composed on NX, animation created on NX, videos edited on NX, pixel sprites created on NX, 3D models constructed on NX, and even simple games made directly on NX, using the stylus and multi-touch screen plus a built-in creation suite of tools, and all of which can be shared on some kind of Nintendo eStore with maybe even the option for users to sell certain content for a small fee. Ya know, like this:
http://www.inceptional.com/2015/06/26/heres-the-gist-of-my-idea-for-nintendos-nx/
Having a typical "share" button isn't going to mean much to most people when every other system out there already does that and has been doing this for a long time now. But, going far beyond simple "social" media sharing, and doing something like the idea I've described could be a total revolution in the industry. It would equivalent of a Nintendo Intranet, which can also be shared across the Internet. It would be a bit like Nintendo's take on Steam or Apple's iOS and combined with Game Maker Studio, but catered specifically to actual NX users (all of them, because it would be built into the system out-the-box and totally free to use) rather than just a very select group of developers.
Split d pad makes sense if they want the 4 directions to act as the equivalent as the xyab buttons for the left side of the device. Being joined would mean a lot more human error. This way the layout is basically a mirror when used in the 2 player way suggested before
@Kirk
That will be Great.
I really want to have an Apps that we can create music from zero.
Not just only the notes but also BPM changes. My head have a lot of ideas about new music creations. But maybe someday...
this just sounds like the PS4
They might be making a handheld part of the ps4 neo
@Anti-Matter Yeah, I think it could/would be very cool, like a more sophisticated version of Mario Paint's music editing tool basically, and with that special Nintendo touch to it just like we saw in Super Mario Maker as a platform game level creation tool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTOmS5aVGo0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hil1F2T19GY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gc-1Dq3uQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g62T3xcuD7U
And that would just be the music making element of the full creation suite as I envision it.
NO FREAKING SPLIT DPAD PLEASE. THAT BETTER BE FAKE.
Split d-pad yes please! Love it in the ds4 controller.
Share button? Meh.
@Antray1984
However that basically means fighting games will be unplayable and platformers unbearable.
Btw, what it looks like Split d-pad ?
Never knew before...
@NintendoEan
Because Nintendo will have their own show 👌
maybe they're just using a ps4 controller in development. the wii u pro controller has no touch pad; it couldn't emulate any touch input. the wii u gamepad has all they'd need, but there might be some reason they can't or won't use it.
Oh, come on, is a "Share button" really worth having a big red Nintedo NX logo up there like we are finally getting some real news? A ##$%#@ share button, that's the freakin headline!?!?
Edit - Oh, and no headline EVER should start w/ the word "Sources". If the title has to start w/ the word sources, don't bother. Just write "Click Bait" instead. {That's for you @BLPs saved you the trouble of commenting }
I don't really care about the Share button, it can be or be not there. Preferably there for the other people.
For Split D-pad, definitely no. NO NO NO nooooo....... >.<
I love the traditional D-Pad, probably my favourite D-PAD out of all the controllers. The others are just too clunky or painful to use (as in gameplay wise). Nintendo's D-Pad is perfect in my opinion for platformers, and other precise controls. And comfortable too.
Splitted D-pad would make sense if the system really had detachable controllers. Splitted D-pad is not too different from face buttons (A, B, X and Y), so both controllers would be extremely similar.
I mean, if it makes streaming easier, then sure, why not?
@Kirk I had to stop at '1080p handheld with glasses-free 3D and multi-touch'. Also, a user-controlled e-Shop sounds terrible.
And the split d-pad makes total sense to me if they've got these removable "Wiimotes" on either side of the system and they want people to detach them and use them for games, because it means if there's two players they're both going to have the exact same setup, which is only fair.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy Small minds, I guess.
I mean, the 3DS is already just a lower spec version of the exact same stuff I'm talking about; and by all accounts the NX is basically going to be Nintendo's new handheld but with streaming to TV functionality. We've also already heard rumours it's going to have a 720p screen with multi-touch anyway, so all my idea adds is an even higher resolution (not essential but just a best-case example) and the same cheap glasses-free 3D that's already in 3DS right now. None of the stuff I'm suggesting is some crazy out there concept, it's just bringing together everything Nintendo's already done in a way that makes sense for a new system that's trying to merge both the handheld and home console devices into one, and in a way where it's not sacrificing/losing anything that made those systems great in their own right and that most people wouldn't want to lose going forward.
Also, I can't imagine why you think the ability to let all users create and share content would be a bad thing; it certainly wasn't a bad thing in Super Mario Maker (it was a revelation), and this would just be that taken to a whole other level of awesomeness. It would kinda be like saying a combination of the likes of Game Maker Studio and Steam is a bad thing, when you really get down to it, which is basically crazy to even suggest imo.
I wish the NX doesn't add support Miiverse unless they fix it
That thing is terrible, ran by bot admins and strict rules
And kids
Lots and lots of kids
Lots
Split D pad makes sense for on the go multiplayer. Can't wait if true!
@Kirk
Yup, 3DS is too weak to play Youtube properly, unlike Wii U.
I usually watching Youtube from my Wii U gamepad by using Internet explorer, not by 'Youtube' apps from e-shop. So far, Wii U version can play Youtube very well.
@Anti-Matter Indeed.
@AVahne Regarding fighters, that's where the trusty Gamecube adapter comes in. For example the legacy of Smash being unplayable without the Gamecube controller will stay for many generations to come
As long as it's quicker than opening and using Miiverse, it'll take any kind of button!
Every morning I come on here hoping for NX announcement news. When i saw the thumbnail I thought the time had finally come.
@Sir_JBizzle
Sept 13 2011 3DS show
Sept 13 2012 Wii U show
http://purenintendo.com/nintendo-to-announce-new-product-on-september-13/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/what-to-expect-at-nintendos-wii-u-event-on-september-13/
"Nintendo’s been taking its own sweet time letting folks know about the Wii U."
I'd guess the 13th over the 15th, but I'm already all in for 26-30 after TGS. Probably 27-29. Well that, and Sony already has a show announced for the 13th.
http://gematsu.com/2016/08/2016-playstation-press-conference-japan-dated-september-13
Funnily, but not really related, Apple and Sony both have shows on Sept 7th. Well it's related if Nitneod picks the 7th as well.
https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/29/apple-and-sony-will-fight-for-your-attention-on-september-7/
@andrew20 Handheld part of PS4 Neo is usually refereed to as "Trinity". Neo is the console, Morpheous is PSVR, handheld is Trinity. Just trying to help out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Sx9j3xgIU
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I saw probably 3 instances of you writing "August" for the NX reveal. I asked you once why you said August, I even asked you if it was due to the Hot Chips conference, but you never replied. Care to share?
I want the NX to have some sort of trophy/achievements
Isn't this a bit obvious. I got so excited when i saw the thumbnail and thought Nintendo has finally announced the reveal date... but no... just more rumours.
Rumors suggest that the NX will have a built in typewriter for communication with friends. And I hope it has a built in vacuum cleaner like a Roomba iRobot.
@rjejr I said August but more likely mid September. It's just murmurings I've heard around the net. TGS was always the more likely date.
@SmashbrosFtw1306 Yes! I completely agree! The NX needs achievements!!
I just hope all (of at least most) of these rumors are false. Because the rumors make NX sound worse and worse every time I hear something new.
I, like many of you, am just so tired of reading rumor after rumor. Just reveal the stupid thing already...
@123akis If they do (and i'm thinking 'Accomplishments' to keep them distinct from the competitors) then the smart thing would be to make them unlock platinum or gold points to use on My Nintendo, make that service worth something!
@AVahne I am assuming that for 'on tv play' at least that there will be a dedicated controller that they will support, be it the wii u pro controller or similar. There has also been talk of interchangeable components similar to the xbox elite controller.
Either way I imagine that Nintendo will have a controller that supports their most important mascot . Heres hoping we get the full lowdown soon
I hope Nintendo have been trolling for months and they're just releasing an nVidia powered beast that makes PS4.5 look like PS2.
Yes, this is exactly what I want! This will be so much damn fun with Breath of the Wild. Just imagine how much all of the media for Skyrim sold that game after its launch.
@samuelvictor
I see...
Thanks for the explanation.
My... hopefully NX also have better design of Analog buttons.
I hope it supports streaming
I like the d-pad just how it is. Human error be damned!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE But Nitneod hasn't done TGS in years, why unveil NX there this year? They always have their own thing mid-Sept. There have been several notable NDs in September as well.
http://nintendoenthusiast.com/forums/threads/why-nintendo-is-skipping-the-tokyo-game-show-and-the-gamescon.2560/
http://en.yibada.com/articles/137344/20160703/tokyo-game-show-2016-sony-take-lead-microsoft-microsoft-not-participating-nintendo-not-coming-to-tokyo-game-show-2016.htm
End of August would have been nice. Wii U price cut ND was end of August. So would have been May ahead of E3, or at E3, or at Gamescon. No, not at Gamesonc, if they were going to skip E3 they might as well skip Gamescon as well.
Oh well, it can only be Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb or March at this point, so we might as well all keep saying "With Nintendo NX getting closer to its big reveal" b/c eventually 1 of us will be right.
Late September seems the latest they can go though. Announcing NX in early Oct right before PM:CS would be mean to the PM devs. After PM is kind of late, PSVR news coverage will be everywhere then.
Thanks for the reply.
So-cial? DO NOT WANT!!!
It's not the feature, it's the implementation. If share is not a less than 1 second thing that allows me to upload 4 sec to a minute of video content that was played up to that moment in 1 second and continue playing, it's too boggy.
Like miiverse. Why wait a gazillion seconds just to like my perfectly drawn turd?
Twitch needs more Nintendo.
I've always hated the split 'd' pad. I honestly always felt that it was nothing more than SONY trying to find a viable alternative to the iconic Nintendo 'd' pad to avoid any litigation with Nintendo, given the Playstation's origins. As an input, I've found it lacking and pretty much the 2nd worst 'd' pad I've played with (the first is the original NA Saturn controller)... especially for Capcom fighters. The best 'd' pad I've ever used was the Japanese Saturn controller (also the best fighting pad... which is why it has been copied for Capcom branded fighting pads across all systems). That pad or even the New 3DS or NEOGEO Pocket Color 'd' pad would be my go to pick.
Suppose the D Pad makes sense if the thing has detachable controllers. I mean, I'm sure one player would not like to be using a D Pad like on other Nintendo consoles as the A, B, X and Y buttons right? Either way, if it allowed for use to use our old Wiimotes, problem solved. You'll have access to many controllers through that. Heck, the NES Classic release's controllers use the same input as a classic controller, maybe the handheld unit with have one on the handheld unit too? There was also that rumor too about swapping out buttons/sticks/d pads like a XBONE Pro Controller too don't forget.
As for the Share button, yes. Definitely. Nintendo need to get with the times and allow easy sharing of pics, videos, and hell streaming if it can manage it. They can't be so protective if someone decides to stream one of their games. Yeah people might see all there is to see through it, but if they like the game they'll most likely buy it, and if the streamer's making money, then he/she's also likely to buy more Nintendo games as well.
I've enjoyed uploading Mario Kart and Smash Bros clips to Youtube, but if they gave us more freedom to upload any clips from any game as well as making the whole progress faster, then colour me more interested.
@LandOfZeldtir yh that would be great, I hope they bring back codes in physical games as well!!
PS4 is the first Sony gaming device I have not bought, and it looks like the NX will be the first Nintendo device I will not buy.
I don't believe this rumour for a second. Nintendo doesn't steal ideas from the competition, it's the other way around. I have no doubt that Miiverse will continue to be a thing for the NX, albeit beefed up with some added features and faster load times. But a share button, especially one that interupts the D-Pad. Yeah, I don't think so. This rumour has as much credibility as their crudely drawn image.
It needs integrated Twitch and YouTube support. That kind of 'advertising' would certainly help improve the situation they had with the Wii U.
As for the split D-pad, as I recall Sony patented that design, so they may not have been able to use it in the past so they stuck with the tradition. The patent has probably run out now, it is a superior design. It has far less chance of accidentally hitting the wrong button.
I really don't care either way about a share button. Don't use it on my PS4. I have no interest in watching others play games, and don't have the kind of ego that would lead me to believe anyone should ever want to watch me.
I just want to know what the damn system is!
@Antray1984 Totally agree, although it would be sad losing the traditional d-pad, however as long as there was another controller that had the Nintendo d-pad that I could use to play old games, then I am cool with it
This is honestly the first NX rumor that I hoped wasn't true. Social media is probably the worst trend of the 2000's and the sooner sites like Facebook and Twitter die off the better the world will be.
Its true the new Nintendo NX game console will have a social share button, which will make it a lot better for connecting with friends and other gamer's: http://nintendonx.yolasite.com
@rjejr Oh, I was totally betting on Sept 13th for the NX reveal, but if Sony has a pre-TGS conference, I dunno if it's good.
Although, Nintendo could get ballsy and compete for media attention. A new console reveal would surely do the trick, eh?
This sucks if it turns out to be true. The share button is one of my least favorite aspects of the DS4.
Although I suppose having easier access to Miiverse wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
@enphos
So far I am liking what I hear. It all sounds easy to use. Basically a tablet but with Nintendo games and decent controls. And as a previous picture shows, playstation have separating their pad since ps1 and that was great for fighters from what i remember.
I still however can't imagine a world where I know what NX actually is. It seems like some sort of distant dream
@LasermasterA i use d pad all the time for jrpgs lol
@Antray1984 lol to knowing what NX actually is. Before the NX is revealed, there should be a competition to see who can get closest to what it actually is. I thought the IR controller system from the patents was legit but more recently the report about controllers that will replace the wii remotes seems to contradict. Do you know the best place for a list?
If this is true then the Eurogamer report would be false - it wouldn't make sense to have the only 'Share' button on a detachable controller because then only one player can use it when the sides are taken off of the screen.
Share button is nothing new or innovative, and I really don't care about it.
I'll be mad if they go to split D-pad.
Most of the NX rumors so far make the system sound like semi-appealing at best. But that's why they are lies - I'm sorry, rumors. Are some going to be true? Yes, but only because almost every type of rumor has been tossed out. Throw enough darts at a board, you're bound to hit a couple of times.
@Jin15 A bit dramatic, aren't we?
And I hate to break it to you. But social media isn't going anywhere. I also wouldn't call it a trend, but true paradigm shifts in how we communicate. Facebook has been going for a decade and shows no signs of slowing down (as is Twitter, Instagram and a host of others). And it isn't no coincidence that it morphs and grows as smart devices do as well (and will also continue)
Now, that doesn't mean Facebook or Twitter will last forever. Every service has its moment or day. Eventually, they'll be replaced with new ones that will take what they do and do them better.
I think I may be the only one.... But I want social media AWAY fron my games. Sigh. Every rumor makes the NX sound worse...
lol. Nintendo of America must be freaking out about this right now.
@Alshain01 Nintendo needs to wake up on social media. Fighting over pennies with their biggest fans and inhibiting the modern world's greatest engine for free promotion and growth is not just old-fashioned - it's fatal. If Nintendo would stop resisting change while simultaneously crying "innovation", they would become a relevant worldwide force again.
What's so hard to make a standard system with normal controls and so on. It's like they are shooting at a dartboard trying too come up with something "New and exciting".
@Ashthearcher. Perhaps having the dpad split was because the patent that allows inferred detechted/changable buttons might not have been able to regiter the regular dpaf correctly. Who knows? I'm just guessing.
Who cares about the D-pad being split? Have you even touched a Playstation controller before? It's fine. It's not like you're gonna use it that much in games. And even if you did it's not that bad. Not only that but if you don't like it, get a third party controller for the NX. Solved.
I don't believe the split D-pad rumor for a second. They've always had the best D-pad and they know it; there's no way they'd abandon a superior design.
@Kirk That will be definitely awesome. I would only add that it should also cure cancer and make coffee.
@3MonthBeef
""Sources say...,"
"People are saying...,"
"A lot of people are saying...,"
"This tidbit could be true, but probably not, but it could be, we don't know.....,"
"Many many sources are saying....,"
"We hear this rumor a lot....,"
"We're hearing that....,"
You've just summed up 99.874% of all NX news. But this might not actually be true so take it with a pinch of salt.
@Billsama That's just being stupid; my idea isn't.
But sorry if it confused you.
The only source that matters is Nintendo. And I really hope the NX is nothing like any of these "reports" suggest.
Share button causes controversy here? What on Earth? "Sharing videos should be harder!" "Communicating with other people is bad!" Kind of embarrassing to comment in this thread, but this is just basic survival feature for the platform. Glad someone somewhere said it was on there even if they just made it up!
Split dpad is so weird yet sensible (when paired with detachable controller rumors) that it makes me believe someone saw it. Only thing is maybe it's a Sony fan trying to rile up Nintendo fanboys. I guess that would be a good motivation to stir this up.
What's most fascinating about this rumor is that it's the first that suggests things about the OS running on the device. Makes me quite skeptical actually. Especially the way this article was worded.
Maybe someone saw the share button and simple spouted off speculating what it does, right?
Anyway, another rumor that at least someone at Nintendo Life feels is more substantial that adds up to the hybrid angle. Interesting to see how some are viewing this as part of the home console possibilities where it doesn't make quite as much sense...
@rjejr @ThanosReXXX
@Kirk I don't know, sarcasm is usually preceded by an absurd or unintentionally funny comment.
By the way, are you now insulting others for having a different opinion? Be civil
@Billsama Are you trying to be "cool" or instigative or something?
Before we go off on one as get into an argument, let's just make it very clear that you started this; you are the instigator here. I didn't say anything even remotely conflicting toward you until you tried to be smart and real "subtly" insinuated my idea is absurd (which it really isn't in the slightest).
Edit: And, you continue to be very insidiously and sneakily passive-aggressive with each of your further comments too.
How about acting civil yourself rather than throwing random initial digs based on nothing but pure ignorance, ones that clearly create an air of underlying insult and tension, and then try to pretend like you did no such thing. Because you flame-baiting is not being civil; so how about following your own advice. If you have a "different opinion" of my idea then how about learning to express it like a mature adult instead of making childish insults and inevitably creating an air of tension and conflict should the person you try that with not be the type of person who won't call you out for it (which you likely know fine well).
Either way, I reported your initial comment that started this back and forth because it seems very clear to me that all you're trying to do is antagonise me and start us both throwing insults back and forth for no good reason, while you pretend that's not what you were doing at all. And the fact you are doing it "subtly" should be something the MOD hopefully sees right through. Just because you are sly and insidious in how you create conflict (very calculated with your words and socially manipulative, especially with each further comment) and I am extremely transparent and honest in expressing my feelings (I don't mince my words), it doesn't change the truth of what is going on here.
I will not respond to you again.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Look at the abysmal Gamecube controller. Nintendo already abandoned proper d-pads once.
(Twice if you count how poorly it was positioned on 3DS models.)
@aaronsullivan @rjejr @Captain_Gonru
Great concept picture too:
http://letsplayvideogames.com/2016/08/report-nx-to-feature-ps4-style-split-d-pad-and-share-button/
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/53671/nintendo-nx-split-pad-share-button/index.html
@Kirk I'm not trying to antagonise you, friend. You are doing that to yourself. I think you need to calm down. You are seeing battlefields and enemies where there're none.
I'll be annoyed if d pad is different nothing compares to nintendos
@samuelvictor Saturn pad = best pad ever.
@ThanosReXXX Maybe I'm missing something here, but why have to linked to those two videos? The guy doesn't say anything in them that we haven't covered in the above piece, and for some reason which escapes me, uses footage from Vampyr, a game which has nothing to do with Nintendo NX?
@aaronsullivan @ThanosReXXX Any chance we can just ignore the whole "Share button" thing? I care 100x more about the chipset than I do a share button.
And the split D-pad sounds fine, but it won't look anything like a Sony D-pad w/ those 4 inner points, that's never going to happen.
Maybe 4 teardrops, or diamonds, or triangles, but it won't look like Sony's.
And the Pro will have a D-pad. I still think there will be a Pro, 1, 2 or 3 consoles, we still get a pro w/ a proper D-pad.
I don't mind the NX having a share button, heck in this day and age I expect a new console too. Despite this I will probably just keep on posting to Miiverse most of the time because I feel like that is the best avenue to show off cool moments in your games, and considering very few of my Facebook friends play videogames other than on their smartphone I would argue that Facebook is useless for me.
@Damo You must have never seen a rumor discussion video, or any type of discussion video. Unless it's about a specific game, they often times have some random game play running in the background, just to have something on screen, I guess.
It's probably because people used to do these kinds of discussions in a podcast, but nowadays more and more people do them on YouTube, so the accompanying footage is probably to prevent people from having to look at a still image all the time if they watch these videos.
I just added them because he has a relaxed manner of explaining stuff, and some people just like videos more than reading text, so it offers choices... And it wasn't verbatim; he adds his own thoughts and opinions, as do we all, so it added to the discussion.
@rjejr "I care 100x more about the chipset than I do a share button."
Something with... pants being on fire... ?
As for the D-Pad: I hope that's fake. What with the dumb reason and all, supposedly to have some sort of equality between the two detachable controllers, as if the different button functions don't already negate that solution, not to mention the differently positioned thumb sticks.
I'm none too enthusiastic about your suggestions either,
but there will certainly be teardrops if NX is only a hybrid...
@ThanosReXXX You're right, I've never watched a rumour discussion video. I'm too busy reading comments on here about how much people hate these rumours, let alone discussing them.
@Damo Well, personally, I don't hate them per sé, some even offer interesting viewpoints, but perhaps you will agree with me that they are now getting a bit long in the tooth and whether or not this is Nintendo's intended strategy, they're letting it get WAY out of hand, potentially damaging the NX brand before it even arrives in stores.
I find it difficult to believe that Nintendo would abandon their classic D-Pad...
I'm pretty sure Nintendo's D-pad has some kind of patent assigned to it. It's the main reason why their competitors have to incorporate some kind of split in their own D-pad designs.
So it would be strange for them to abandon it.
"Everything is copyright infringement and piracy" Nintendo have a "share" button on their console? What's next, they remove region locking and have tied to account digital purchases instead of tied to console?
I'll believe it when I see it.
@Stitches The patent has run out and anybody can use the plus now as far as I know. It happened pretty recently. You can see them on third party controllers now sometimes.
@hieveryone
The 3DS one? Same here. In my opinion, it's near perfect. Makes all the menus so much easier to navigate. Especially in Monster Hunter with the huge amount of sorting and stuff.
With my experience with split D-pads, it would be quite slower and uncomfortable....
I freaking hate the split d-pad on those Dual Shock controllers, those were not that accurate to control. Sure they don't blister the thumb but they are kinda slippery to control and often time laggy as well. Either Nintendo keep the cross d-pad or bow to Sony and copy theirs and knowing Nintendo they often don't copy unless it's mainstream. Now if they make a d-pad similar to the ones found on the Super NES again that would be awesome. That d-pad design was the best. As for the Share button and anything social sharing that Nintendo is offering, why continue to give us those when in the end those are going to end up being taken down or censored anyways? Happens on Flipnote, Swapnote, Super Mario Maker, and is likely to happen with NX as well.
The split D pad roumor seems like a desperate way of reinforcing past roumors.
So I wont need to get a new elgato? This will be cool, especially if we can livestream, record screenshot, and maybe download something from the eshop so we can edit
So one of the first snippets of info about the long-awaited, never talked about NX is its social share button? This is so ironic it must be true.
The future is here. 🤓
Does 'confirmed with our sources' = 'see what Emily Rogers has to say about this'?
Fakebook confirmed, lol!
@ThanosReXXX ""I care 100x more about the chipset than I do a share button."
Something with... pants being on fire... ?"
No, its true, I really don't care about the chipset, but I care about a share button I'll never use even less than that.
"but there will certainly be teardrops if NX is only a hybrid.."
That's exactly the situation I'm saving my other avatar choice for.
That will or won't make sense depending on the order you read these. I always work backwards on my emails, which is the wrong way to do it, I know.
@aaronsullivan "where it doesn't make quite as much sense..."
Nothing makes sense to me any more. A 3DS ND Sept 1 but still no NX reveal? Not even a date? That's pushing it even for Nitnedo Logic. Just how cranky do they want their FB and Twitter followers?
Well at least we know what song they can use for the NX tv ads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamKl-su8PE
@Moshugan "Although, Nintendo could get ballsy and compete for media attention. "
If Nintneod reveals the NX on Sept 13 up against the Sony TGS event, it won't be b/c Nintendo is ballsy, it will be b/c they dont' own a calendar and didn't know Sony already had an event that day.
I can't find my prior post, but I think Sept 27-29. Why have a big new console reveal 3 days before TGS and then not be at TGS?
@LasermasterA omg same when i play monster hunter generations i use the d pad all the time in the menu or getting the items in the beginning, l use the d pad in devil survivor ALL the time
That's cool cos the share button on my PS4 is very useful!
@rjejr "That will or won't make sense depending on the order you read these. I always work backwards on my emails, which is the wrong way to do it, I know."
No worries, I'm already kind of used to that by now, so I'm still following you. If not, you can count on me saying so...
@rjejr Still can't quite see how or why Nintendo would downgrade their control scheme experience by moving away from the standard directional controls to make 4 separate buttons from it. That would be following, and they shouldn't do that. There's also no good reason to do it in the first place, unless I'm missing something.
P.S.
Recently, I found another interesting channel called Digital Pixel Café. They do podcasts on Nintendo, often with several people at the same time, which makes it interesting because they are really discussing the topics instead of just making it a one man opinion piece.
Here's a relevant video:
A similar channel that's also good is Commonwealth Realm:
https://www.youtube.com/user/commonwealthrealm/videos
Although they are mostly Zelda focused, but they do have other videos as well.
But let's move away from all the hardware rumors and shenanigans and speculate on the games:
Might be interesting to hear what @aaronsullivan and @Captain_Gonru have to say on that too, so let's drag 'em in here...
@rjejr "but I care about a share button I'll never use even less than that."
But... sharing is caring...
@rjejr Oh, and here's another Nintendo related excuse to gawk at Ashley again...
Is your inbox full yet?
@rjejr "Why have a big new console reveal 3 days before TGS and then not be at TGS?"
A good point! At this point it feels like it's gonna happen after TGS... Although Nintendo might not care too much about what other companies do whenever, I think they might want to have all eyes on their new console reveal if at all possible.
I think there's nothing much else on the last week of September, so maybe it happens then.
In any case they'd do good to let us know just when!
@hieveryone
Nintendo D-pad, best D-pad xD It has survived those thousand hours with MH3U and 4U, while my other buttons occasionally gave me problems.
Speaking about Devil Survivor, thanks for reminding me. I should start the 2nd game, it's been in my cartridge slot for some time.
@Moshugan I like last week of Sept, very open. Who knows, maybe it would even spark interest for PM:CS a week later.
@ThanosReXXX I like grapes, but I'm not sharing them.
@rjejr Grapes? You lost me there. The raw ones, in a bottle or dried?
@Captain_Gonru Of course it is just a speculation video, and my reason to include you guys was more to get you to speculate on your own lists of suspects, not to dispute or even agree with what this guy said. Personally, besides current and new games, I would like to see a complete library of VC games. Online and via some sort of subscription model for all I care, but in that case the ENTIRE catalog should be made available for us to be able to choose whichever retro game we would want.
As for Dragon Quest XI, of course you could expect the 3DS version to be more like the previous iterations than the home console edition, but that is not a case in point for what the NX version will be like.
Even if it is going to be the X1 Tegra chip hybrid, then it will still be more powerful than the Wii U, so there's literally not a single reason why it couldn't at the very least look the same, and will probably look a reasonable bit better.
So, that is something that actually can be known, since it will either be that Tegra chip or something similar that is more powerful than the Wii U, so graphics-wise, we certainly can make some base assumptions.
But as we speak, I am actually in the process of renewing some old contacts of mine, because I'm fed up with all these lousy, un-Nintendo like sounding rumors, so I have a distinct need to find out for myself what's what. And I hope to be able to share my findings with you and @rjejr & @aaronsullivan before the month is up and Nintendo comes out of the closet themselves, if only to be able to see if I can find out something before that happens, even if it's just a day prior to be able to flaunt with that and also to see if my current ideas on the matter hold any water at all.
@Captain_Gonru Well, we can assume that, and I think I gave valid reasons as to why. It would completely baffle me if Nintendo would even be able to make the game look less than the PS4 or even the Wii U on hardware that is almost just as capable as a PS4 (which any of the rumored options is, so in that respect, it doesn't even matter with what chipset they will go) so that is just not a realistic thing to expect.
Oh, and apparently, Amazon seems to know something as well...
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/195035587?trkInfo=searchKeywordString%3AVirtual%2BReality%2CsearchLocationString%3A%252C%2B%2Cvertical%3Ajobs%2CpageNum%3A2%2Cposition%3A23%2CMSRPsearchId%3A188073672_1472289786885&refId=188073672_1472289786885&recommendedFlavor=IN_NETWORK&trk=jobs_jserp_job_listing_text
My educated guess still stands: two dedicated devices, probably no hybrid, or at least not as wonky as EG made it out to be...
@Captain_Gonru Here's a great video that handles all these so called confirmed leaks in the only way that they should be:
Enjoy...
@LasermasterA lol yeah nintendo has the best d pad i dont really like the ds4 and the psp and psvita one :/ ... I beated devil survivor overclocked it was so friggin hard and im only in the beginning of record breaker
@ThanosReXXX @Captain_Gonru Iwata says.
Just had a thought. People, that includes us, have been using some of Iwatas own words to describe why NX would be a home console, or a home and handheld that work well together like iOS devices. He's referred to NX as a platform and as devices working together as brothers. So if NX is a platform of home and handheld we'll have Iwata to thank.
But, Iwata also said if Wii sold more poorly than Gamecube then they should get out of the business. Well, obviously Wii sold much better than Gamecube, about 5x better, but Wii U will probably only sell about 60% what Gamecube did. So if we take into account Iwatas own words about a platform of brothers shouldn't we also take into account his words about getting out of the business as well? Nintendo getting out of the home console business b/c Iwata saw Wii U selling more poorly than Gamecube and he didn't want his company to be tarnished with yet another home console failure after Wii U.
" but Wii will be a failure if it cannot sell far more than GameCube did. In fact, we shouldn't continue this business if our only target is to outsell GameCube."
http://www.1up.com/news/iwata-wii-doesn-outsell-gamecube
I know that's from a long time ago, but everything he said is a long time ago b/c he passed away over a year ago. But whatever Nintendo decides, Kimishima will be able to say it's what Iwata wanted, and he'll have his choice of words to back him up.
@hieveryone
I loved Overclocked, did all the routes, every demon, every thing. The superboss requires a broken strategy though. I once did Otakuro's route (xD) as my first route trying to get Focused and Unkillable both. It was .... hard.
From what I have seen of Record Breaker, it seems less appealing but I have yet to play it to judge it better.
@rjejr "shouldn't we also take into account his words about getting out of the business as well?"
No.
@rjejr You can't just randomly access the archive of mr. Iwata's statements and make them applicable on the current situation. The other things he said are relevant and binding in regards to NX and the future of Nintendo and their video game platform.
Success obviously being a part of that, but that is a given for every product or service that a company wants to sell you.
But go and have a laugh at the video I posted in comment #148...
(if you haven't already)
Oh, and by the by: I'm homing in on some people at Ubisoft and some other people. And I found out something really crazy, or at least you will think so. I will not go so far (yet) as to say it is absolutely so, but our friend HNF seems to actually have gathered some correct information, because some stuff I'm finding out now, seems to corroborate what he is saying.
Remember that patent with the exchangeable buttons and controls on the handheld device? He made a new video in which he mentions the code name for the handheld, and I came across that same name: 3DSwap. It might not be the final name, but at least it having 3D in the name appears to point to another handheld with glasses free 3D, and some new functions, like the exchangeable buttons and so on.
@rjejr "But whatever Nintendo decides, Kimishima will be able to say it's what Iwata wanted, and he'll have his choice of words to back him up."
Boy, you REALLY don't understand Asians and the way they do business, do you?
That will NEVER happen. He will not lie or twist words so they can somehow be credited to Mr. Iwata, which would sort of free Kimishima from blame if things go pear-shaped, because he was just doing "what Iwata wanted". That would be a huge insult and dishonor to both his legacy and his still living relatives, so that is simply not an option. A lot of Western businessmen won't even express an ounce of that same honor bound conduct, and as such it is also hard for most of us to understand that this is exactly what could be going on there.
The ENTIRE company together, Mr, Miyamoto, Reggie, Bill Trinen and the employees included and probably even Eiji Aonuma, decided that they would execute Mr. Iwata's final plans to the letter to honor him, and those final plans are described in his last financial report, which is why I'm always emphasizing them.
So that is what is going to happen, and not something completely different from what he would have wanted. Only tiny details might be changed because the world and the market also change, which is the natural course of things, but the larger part of the strategy plan will be executed as it has been documented.
And remember that Mr. Kimishima has also said that he was just taking over temporarily, or would at the very least reassess his position after his first tenure, and in that period, no plans would be changed.
@Captain_Gonru @rjejr @aaronsullivan The Xilinx connection is definitely a thing, I know that for certain now.
There are people working for Nintendo now, using this tech.
I know one of you is not that interested in hardware, but still: this is REALLY interesting stuff.
Here are some introductory videos, that offer an insight without diving too deep into the tech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTrG-iLGCOw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jtvNPySPkc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waKGJ8vVINk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuJ6U0t5DqI
You just have to apply some of your own logic on how parts of this tech could be implemented for video game consoles, but I assume that won't be a problem for you guys...
And for those of you that do want to see more, go here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/XilinxInc/videos
Don't worry about the Asian scribbles on the videos: all of them are spoken in normal English.
Now THIS, @rjejr, is coming VERY close to "a new way to play"...
@LasermasterA i only beated the yuzu route which is the worst and the easiest lol... i spend like 5 hours on record breaker and its not better than overclocked ... the characters in overclocked are better and i dont like the "feel" of the second game, in overclocked everything felt smooth when you navigate thru the menu and stuff and the atmosphere is better in overclocked too
@rjejr "...if our only target is to outsell GameCube"
Obviously their target is to get back to the Wii numbers!
@hieveryone
Well Yuzu's route is an interesting take, especially with the 8th day added which itself has 2 endings. With the 8th day, I quite liked it with themes of taking responsibility, repercussions + the newer maps. The final boss was a disappointment though -_-
For Record Breaker, the impressions from my sister make it seem that it is an atypical storyline but the characters fall flatter. Gameplay wise, the Magnetite system is gone (to prevent putting Holy Dance and Drain on every demon xD) and the innate race skills can improve.
@LasermasterA the only thing that record breaker improved are the graphics , a variety of soundtracks and the skill crack joint
@hieveryone
And a superboss that doesn't require you to exploit downright broken strategies
I guess you didn't fight him yet, since he only comes from 2nd playthrough onwards (I think you need to use reward points to unlock him) and in every route 7th day except Yuzu's xD
@rjejr Had to do some digging in my own comments, but this is the thread we were all in previously, because you mentioned forgetting which one it was again. Just to jog your memory on what's going on at Nintendo HQ, re-read comment nr. #156 in this thread...
@ThanosReXXX Thanks for the link back to the links.
Why can't we find a youtuber who has a voice like that guy in the Xilinx ad? The future is here. Very professional.
That guy in the Ultrascale+ vid sounds like Bill Trinen. (oops, you dind't link to that 1, autoplayed)
OK, so is Xilink making the Xilink chip in the NX, or are they doing the back office stuff? I'm really not sure what the point is.
And I do care about hardware - is it Wii U power or X1 power or PS4 Neo or 4DS power, is it a handheld or a home. What I don't care about is the provider of the chip, Nvidia, DMP, Xilinx, AMD.
And I only mentioned this once, but what if Iwata's "platform of brothers" comment got made horizontally rather than vertically? (I think I did that directionally correct.)
Rather than a NX Home playing the same games as it's NX Away brother and their NX tablet brother, what if your Xilinx cloud computing refers to how well NX hybrids play with others?
I buy NX Home - "core" bundled w/ a dock and Pro controller. My kid buys NX Away, "core" and dettachable controllers. He walks over and we get to play 2 player Lego Dimensions as his Away works like a 2nd screen Gamepad. Then my others son comes in w/ his NX Complete - dock, Pro, detachable controllers - and joins us as a 3rd screen as we all switch to Splatoon. Then when they go to do their homework they leave their NX cores and I pick 1 up and play dual screen Zelda Wild as it was meant to be played. Yes, that looks just like any other mutliplayer gaming, or Wii U playing, but 3DS and Wii U never played that well together. PS4 and Vita have never played that well together. Gameboy and Gamecube played like that in FFCC w/ the wires.
But it does add another dimension. The systems do form an "NX platform", the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. The parts are like brothers.
Just another way all of this can be interpreted. But I am still upset we never got dual Gmaepad support on Wii U like they said we would. Liars.
@rjejr Like I said in the Wall Street Journal article:
"What they do amongst other things is make fast, high quality video and data stream protocols over long distances, so think a MUCH improved version of the GamePad."
But as you can see in the videos (and just take note of the commercial sentences popping up from time to time in the videos) there's much more that they do.
So, in layman's terms: Xilinx will make the original dream of the Wii U GamePad possible and vastly improve upon that, and will also make it possible to share with devices. (think mobile, think AR/VR)
As long as there is Wifi or 4G, Xilinx tech can stream HD video, audio and data world wide with next to no latency. BAM! Slam dunk...
Take 30-40 minutes of your day to watch that PlayerEssence video, or watch it in parts, for all I care. I agree with him so much and I liked it a lot and it makes SO much sense. You will also find the answers to some of your questions there.
@rjejr So, the Xilinx tech is an ADDITIONAL chip/technology inside NX, besides the CPU/GPU.
As far as power is concerned, going by what I have gathered so far, I would have to agree with HNF and say that NX will be >PS4, even if possibly only moderately so. He says considerably more, putting it between PS4 and PS4 NEO, but personally, I haven't got any proof (yet) to confirm that, other than having my own ideas that if it is more powerful, that it would actually be quite an achievement to make it only slightly more powerful than 2,5 year old hardware, that wasn't even powerful to begin with, seeing as even a medium game PC still beats the pants of a PS4...
As for the whole "like brothers" thing, I'm still going by mr. Iwata's original quotes, and by what mr. Kimishima has said, and all these quotes stress the fact that Nintendo is NOT looking to integrate their two devices into one single hybrid system, and that they are not looking to make another Wii or Wii U.
The optional device with detachable controllers seems to be a midway option for the Wii U remakes, and might also inspire some new titles, but from what I've heard so far from the developers and tech people that I've spoken to so far, the main controller will be a "normal" controller, albeit it with some special functions.
And I'm in the process of finding out if the whole Xilinx thing will also make it possible to have the whole dual GamePad story become a reality. If Xilinx's tech is really that much better than what was used in the Wii U, then theoretically, it should be possible.
And if that is true, then you could imagine having two NX consoles, both with two GamePad's 2.0 and you'd all be able to play an online Splatoon match, each with your own screen, and thanks to the Xilinx tech, even from distances across town...
@rjejr Final bit of info that I've come across so far: the SCD's are actually a thing too, and will be arriving later on, so not at launch.
It is completely in line with what I already told you many times before: you don't go through all the trouble of getting a patent cleared for completion and then paying the additional fees for that to actually be able to take it into production and then do nothing with it.
You can actually use tech/ideas mentioned in a patent without getting the entire patent cleared for completion, but if you go that far to get the ENTIRE patent cleared, then that should normally mean that is indeed going to be taken into production.
So on that point also, I agree with HNF. Then again: I already agreed with myself on the SCD's long before I found out what I have now found out... (Ninception... or just Bacardi... )
@ThanosReXXX "SCD's are actually a thing too, and will be arriving later on, so not at launch."
Well that's good. Both that they are a thing, and not available at launch. Gamepad would have been much more successful had Wii HD launched for $199 w/o it. Wii Balance Board sold 40 million. How many do you think they would have sold had Wii Sports Fit bundle launched at $349 with all of that? Take out the Balance Board, Wii sells 100 million. Take out the Gamepad, maybe Wii HD sells 50 million, maybe the Gamepad sells 10 million for Splatoon SMM and SFZ.
Well now I don't know what I can ask you b/c I dont know what you can say, but I'm guessing the SCD is more along the lines of a dock upgrade for the home/hybrid than a RAM pack for the handheld. That makes sense anyway. I mean you could probably call the Circle Pad Pro a "Supplemental computing device" as well b/c it helps the 3DS.
Of course not sold at launch is different than not available at launch, but I'll be nice and give you the benefit of the doubt even if it isn't announced. I mean, I know something is coming, we live in a world of console add-ons, have for years. Just look at Move and PSVR. And New 3DS and Scorpio and Neo. Plugging in another GPU box to run chips SLI isn't really that different.
BUT, if its at launch, that could divide the install base, like the Basic and Deluxe Wii U, and that ain't good. Better to wait after the install base gets built up enough.
Unless the SCD is really just the dock for the hybrid, then that's ok, b/c it's less of a SCD, more of a NX Player, playing handheld NX games on the TV.
@rjejr The SCD is not a dock, it's a supplementary device, so probably a little box. It has to have a certain size, because besides some specific hardware, there's also an additional CPU and GPU (and probably memory) in there for the extra power, along with cooling, so think one of these small portable HDD's:
only thicker, like two or maybe three stacked on top of each other.
It both connects to the console and to the internet, so it's a sort of a throughput, and as such, it can do what is described in its patent, and that is both give power to the local player's console, as well as linking with other SCD's over the internet, to give additional power to other players.
I have no idea how that second part actually works, but it does require you to leave it switched on even if you're not playing yourself. Now that may not seem all that enticing, but maybe you remember having read or seen the patent and they also mentioned a reward system that ties in to My Nintendo, so people who share their SCD power, so to speak, get points and rewards that can be used for additional power access and possibly also purchases.
And the box is small enough to be tucked away behind the console or TV, so it won't be a bother to have one connected. Or it might indeed be some sort of base that you click your console in, so that it just sits a little higher, but I personally don't think so, because the patent also describes being able to connect a couple of SCD's to one NX, so maybe the SCD's themselves can be stacked or something.
Prices are not known, obviously, but my estimate would be anywhere between $125 - $175. And for what it does, that should be a decent and realistic price. Maybe they would even be able to make one for as low as $100, depending what their sales target is, which will of course also depend on initial NX sales.
Most people that will buy the NX will probably also buy the SCD upgrade as soon as it becomes available. I can't imagine people saying: "no, I don't want to play these bigger/newer games, so I don't need that expansion".
And even if it's not for the games, then that reward system also sounds interesting and a whole lot easier than the annoying points gathering chore through Miitomo and the like, which has become tedious, stale and obligatory, because you're not logging in for the mini games or for the fun, but just for the points. Well, at least I am...
@rjejr "Well now I don't know what I can ask you b/c I dont know what you can say"
Just ask away, my friend. I'll let you know what I can or can't say. Actually, it's more what I can't show. Well, at least not here.
But that's on you. Send me an email, you've got my address now, unless you deleted it. Don't mind the others, since they don't appear to want to join in the conversation anymore, or at least not as frequently as you and I do.
@ThanosReXXX Mostly everybody has stopped logging into Miitomo for the points b/c we all finally realized the only thing those points get you are more clothes for your character in Miitomo. I wish that was sarcasm but it's too true.
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