Ummm.. do they delete the stages from your harddrive? Or is it just removed from online?
Not too savvy on things streaming, but can't he just stream his levels without them being online? I don't see how his streaming factors into the issue.
"I make 90% of my money streaming, so it is important that you host my custom mario levels"
Well, I make 90% of MY profit making pizza, so it important that you all go watch nick's TMNT
yeah! just like how they use their own gun arm toting beloved character! I'm sure we'll see a whole slew of mega man themed spinoffs, like mega man mega amiibo marathon, and mega man soccor strikers 2! Nintendo certainly knows how to give fans of non-Zelda and non-Mario franchises exactly what they want!
@Socar rather, the problem with modern graphics in terms of mega man is that it's in 3D. you have less precision than pixels, so it's harder to judge those pixel perfect jumps mega man is notorious for, also, you view from a fixed camera height, so things in the middle are being viewed straight on, but things viewed lower or higher than that are viewed at an angle, while classic 2D graphics had everything viewed straight on.
it's less about the look, more about how it effects the game... at least for ACTUAL mega man fans. half the people here prolly just quit as soon as it gets hard. Actual fans play because it gets hard.
@Gauchorino I dunno, fans really like the 8 mega man 2 rehashes. Maybe fans just want more of the same! Maybe we want another mega man 2 with new weapons, new stages, and a few more mechanics along with more playable characters
@AlexSora89 Federation force wouldn't be fixed if samus was playable. If they added samus to the team and made the graphics normal as opposed to SD, it still wouldn't fix it.
There's a reason that people hail this game and dislike federation force. This is metroid in terms of gameplay. Not only is it metroid, but it's classic metroid!
Federation force is similar to prime, but not prime in terms of gameplay. Unless you can play solo alone that is.
but classic metroid fans just want games that play like classic metroid. Now that castlevania has gone lords of shadows, we get neither series that the metroidvania genre is named after!
For some, it's about samus. For many, it is the love of the game.
I like link's awakening better than link to the past because there's more freedom.
Link to the past was very rigid on how you had to do things, with generally one solution to any problem.
Jumping and pegasus boots, along with bomb arrows allowed players to be more creative. There are a lot of ways to do things that you probably shouldn't be able to. Jumping alone makes this one of the best zelda games!
Just be sure you don't trade the shovel right after buying it, and buy another shovel... makes it impossible to complete the game!
director wants to make this game for 7+ years metroid prime fans want a prime game for 7+ years.
If the director was denies this game and forced to make another prime game, he'd likely be peeved and the game may suffer for it. both have a right to be upset. fans want to protest the lack of core games, they can. whether it's a fun game or not, they're sending a message that they want core games. "If you want us to care about what you want, then show us that you care about what we want"
I mean, why call it Metroid Prime? it makes a promise that isn't being delivered and that's why a lot of people are mad. why not just call it in small text "Metroid's" and in normal big text "Federation Force". Make a series essentially called Federation Force and I guarantee there will be significantly less backlash.
But nintendo decides to spit in people's faces and say "Look, this game belongs in the Metroid Prime series, shut up and accept it!" They basically outright say this in the direct. Of course people will react overly aggressively in response.
@JaxonH while it is true that you can appeal to the casual crowd and hardcore, it is rarely the case. They did it well in fire emblem by having both classic AND casual modes. But what if they didn't include classic mode? FE fans would be pissed, and eventually, they might just lose interest in the series that doesn't care about why they liked it in the first place, at least the ones that liked that aspect of the game.
And in federation force, it doesn't give the core audience the option to have what they want while leaving the options open to the casual audience, at least not that we know of.
Mario tennis implies tennis. Mario tennis 2 implies more tennis featuring Mario characters. If they made Mario Tennis: Running the Diamond, and it was a baseball game, that would make no sense.
If they made Super Mario bros 4 about Tennis, that would make no sense. If they released Super Mario World 3, I'm pretty sure you'd expect to play as either yoshi, mario, or some combination of the two, depending if yoshi's island is in the title somewhere, and that you'll have some sort of platforming adventure, either defending baby mario, or riding yoshi around to save peach from bowser. All the super mario bros games delivered the same thing, but refined the game each time.
The whole point of a name is to promise more of something. Take Kirby's epic Yarn. that's not a kirby game! we have expectations, which aren't there. Kirby eats enemies and gets various powers from them. He didn't in this game. why? because it wasn't a kirby game! he was tacked on as a sales gimmick, not so different from putting fire emblem characters into codename steam.
really, what it boils down to is that there are essentially 2 different metroid series, with it's own fanbases with overlap.
There are those who want more of the experience the metroid prime series delivered, and have been waiting for 8 years.
There are those who want more of the experience the classic 2D metroids delivered, and they have been waiting for even longer.
Other M did not deliver what those two groups wanted, though there were those outside of those two groups and within that did enjoy it, and thus it has it's own fanbase. since it seems the games will not continue, it is simply a spin-off, rather than it's own series. but because it didn't deliver what the fanbase was actually looking for, it did poorly, nor was it obvious that it was a spin-off. Metroid prime hunters faced similar criticism, though the prime games were still being made, so people had what they wanted to keep them happy, at least prime fans anyway.
Now, we are presented with federation force, which is a spin-off, of a series dormant for 8 years, with no sign of what the fans actually want. While it may appeal to others, we've already seen the prime series essentially kill off the classic 2D series. If they at least suggested that more traditional Prime games were planned, it might satiate the fans, but being show this as THE metroid game of the generation. it's a spin-off to a series with no main series games! what is it spinning off?
it's set in the Metroid universe, which is the same between Prime and classic metroid. sure, it's got that, why metroid prime though?
gameplay... that's a bit trickier. the multiplayer nature of the game makes it completely different gameplay wise. while it may have the same mechanics for most part, it is a completely different game, like tennis is to baseball. both involve hitting a ball and trying to control where it lands and a couple other similarities, running around after hitting the ball, missing the ball is bad, scoring points when the ball goes out of bounds when originally in, etc. game play is fundamentally different, which is where a lot of fans are upset. Kinda like taking fire emblem, not giving the classic mode option and make battles play out like project X zone. it's mostly the same game... but different.
and then there's atmosphere. Metroid has a certain atmosphere to it. being alone and exploring a planet, uncovering mysteries and having loyalty to no one really, the feeling of being utterly alone. That's a staple of the Metroid series. Federation force and other M both did not have this. Fusion started out as though it didn't have this, but as you progressed, you began to realize how alone you really were.
I'm not a fan of other M, but they did change up the title to signify that the game was different from the other two series's
And while you didn't say casuals, you said broader audience. I described three types of the core audience, those who like metroid for: -the story (universe, atmosphere, characters etc) -the gameplay (specific rules of the game, style of control and challenge, and type of skills needed to overcome) -both story and gameplay.
if one isn't too big on either gameplay or story, then why are they playing? because they're nintendo fans? they like nintendo and want to play things nintendo makes? those are hardcore nintendo fans, but casual metroid fans. you appeal to the casual crowd, and you give the core audience no reason to like the series anymore.
If you don't care about the name, then you're not a fan of the series, because if you were, the name would imply you're getting more of what you liked. If you don't care about getting either more story of gameplay of the same nature, then you're not a fan of the series and just like fun games in general. this makes you a casual fan, pretty much by definition. you can be a hardcore gamer, but a casual fan.
see, you like other M's gameplay. so the story being bad isn't a big deal to you, and you'd probably like an other M 2 with a more refined version of that gameplay. If they released other M 2 but had it play like a classic 2D metroid, you probably wouldn't be all too thrilled about that. If you like classic metroid gameplay, you'd be fine with it, but you'd have to wonder why they put the other M title there and didn't just call it metroid 5.
And you're claiming that a series isn't meant for the core fanbase, but for the broader casual fanbase? Wii would like to play? make games for casual fans all over again and start losing the core audience?
You'll sell more units appealing to a larger crowd, but if you appeal to everyone, you tend not to appeal to anyone a lot, and thus lose your core audience. And the casuals aren't too reliable a consumer as we've seen with the wii.
If they want to make a game to appeal to the masses, make a new franchise or new series. if you want to make another entry to a series, appeal to the core audience and budget accordingly.
There's a certain expectation with a franchise name. You slap the name metroid on a game, and there are certain expectations. You don't want to live up to those expectation, then slap another name on there. it's like making a game called baseball about tennis. while both are about hitting balls with long instruments, they are fundamentally different games, and you're just misleading people looking for a baseball game!
@Onion having played through X7 at least 7 times, it's not so bad. Compared to all the other X games, it's garbage, but compared to 3D action games in general, it's an okay game. not good, just okay. a solid 5/10.
the game looks good to you, okay. would the game look good to you if it were set in the splatoon universe? what if it was the zelda universe with bows and hyrule castle guards instead?
it's a spin-off for a series that hasn't gotten a new game in a while, the metroid prime series. fans of the prime series KNOW what they want. they have been asking for a prime game, they want to continue the prime experience, and they can see that this, simply by premise, is not that.
you can have faith that this guy will deliver a likely good game, sure, but it's not what metroid prime fans want, and putting the name metroid prime on it implies that this is for those fans, which it obviously isn't.
the way I see it, for any game, there are two major aspects for people to be fans of: the story, and the gameplay.
people might not like the gameplay, but like the story enough to dredge through the game in order to get more of the story, like many JRPGs. For these fans, the story is held hostage by the game and they would much prefer the story to continue as a 'better' game.
Some may not care much for the story, but are there for the gameplay. They love the mechanics so much, they want more games to follow those mechanics. The story could be different, he characters could be different, but if the game plays the same, they are happy. Like metroidvanias being very much like metroid.
Then there are those who love the story and the gameplay, and want the story to continue with the same gameplay, like the mega man fanbase, they love games that are the same with new levels!
The problem is that the metroid fanbase is split up into these three groups. There are people who didn't like prime, because they don't like FPS. They want metroid for the gameplay, and while many of us love prime, it was not the gameplay that the second and third group had come to expect.
story fans were happy because the prime series expanded much more on the metroid universe and provided an amazing experience.
Then there's other M. For story fans, this game was terrible, because the quality of the story was inferior to those of the previous games. Even Metroid's little story was a better experience, the first NES game. just because there was less of it, doesn't mean it wasn't fantastic.
And for gameplay fans, well, for anyone who was big on classic metroid or prime's gameplay, this game was just something else altogether.
so, other M may be a good game, but it is a bad metroid game. it's to metroid as mega man X7 is to the X series. bad voice acting, a weird plot with too much crying, awkward gameplay and annoying gimmicks. it's on the same level as X7. X7 was an okay game. compared to other mega man games, it doesn't measure up, but compared to other similar games, it does alright.
people act like other M is the worst game ever made because it's the worst metroid game ever made (though I personally place metroid 2 at the bottom). it's being held up to a higher standard, so naturally it will seem flawed beyond redemption.
furthermore, federation force won't likely save the franchise, not for the fans who love the gameplay. story fans will be happy, but they'd be happy with a manga. If it does well, it could mean that metroid may never return to and further refine the gameplay that many fans had fallen in love with.
@liveswired I liked the N64 controller because when I was little, I would hold it upside down and pretend it was a space ship type thing. my actions figures could even sit on it, using the Z trigger as a cushion. Ninja turtles fit on it perfectly because of how their legs were
@JaxonH Less now about the name, more about damien's unprofessionalism. People corrected him, but he refuses to correct his mistake or to even admit his mistake among the slew of comments all independently claiming the same thing, even with evidence provided on why he's wrong.
It makes absolutely no sense as to why he really doesn't want to change it, doesn't even really say why. Just says no.
It'd be like I thought your avatar was a puffin. You correct me and show me a picture of a penguin, but for some reason, I keep insisting that you're avatar is a puffin, just because I saw a movie where a puffin masqueraded as a penguin and taught penguins how to fly.
Clearly, I'm wrong, and ultimately it's not important, but still, your avatar is a flippin' penguin!
@Kingrat Doesn't matter if it's a big part or not, the fact is that these characters have names, and they're not ash nor gary.
If this was NintendoPassingfancy, that'd be okay, but this is nintendolife. This is just as bad as saying that wario debuted in warioware, or putting a zelda game on the wrong timeline, then when corrected, it's not really a big deal right? Why acknowledge the mistake?
Or claiming that final fantasy 5 and 6 were not originally released in the US.
I really don't get it, usually when an error is pointed out, the writer will be like "oh, oops, I goofed, I'll correct it okay?"
but here "No, I'm not wrong... the entire Pokemon fanbase and then some is complaining about this, but I'm still factually right". it makes no sense! Why is the entire pokemon fanbase wrong here? it's not a bunch of people who banded together to criticize, it's a bunch of individuals who independently came to correct it!
@AlexOlney except that changes the argument. the issue isn't the accuracy of the name, is that they are not the correct names.
it's not that Red is more accurate than Ash, but that Ash is just plain wrong. To refer to that character as "Ash" isn't a less accurate proper name, but not accurate at all.
In Japan, that is Red's name, in the West,it's Red, but the Japanese name means Red, and is the Equivalent word in Japanese. Ash is neither of their names.
It'd be like referring to Mega Man as Astro boy and saying Rockman is more accurate.
the names are there because the cartoon is popular. gave kids the choice to name them after their cartoon favs. The original suggested names were named after Miyamoto and Tajiri. Their names went on to be the japanese cartoon characters in japan, so when the cartoon and games were translated, the suggested name kept this pattern. those slots are essentially homage to Miyamoto and Tajiri.
What we're talking about in Zelda, is an easter egg, these names in Pokemon are essentially easter eggs.
@Damo
exactly, because they're both common mistakes of people who don't know the series. It's not about the appearance, it's about the lack of information. People who call Link Zelda don't know that there is a princess named Zelda, they just assume they have the same name as the title of the game...and you even usually get bonuses for naming link ZELDA!
a better example is calling Samus either Seamus or Metroid. it just shows how little you know of the series,
actually, Link is the better example since you get to name him too, and players are encouraged to name him Zelda! Just because naming him Zelda is possible and encouraged, doesn't make it acceptable to call him Zelda!
Next you're gonna tell me that Mario's name is officially Mario Mario?
Protip: don't do it guys, I read the strategy guide, it's like instant game over with autosave, and when you reset, you lose half your loot with no options for picking it back up!
This is one case where subscription services are better than owning, because that EULA is a killer!
Well, to be fair, it's a re-release, of course it's not going to sell as well as the wiiU version!
The wiiU version was an "omg! ZeldaXdynasty warriors?". This one does not have the same excitement factor.
That and I think people are more likely to buy digital on the 3ds than on wiiU, since the 3ds is mobile and it makes a lot of sense to be able to carry all games at once.
My 3DS has actually been less stable after these updates. It keeps randomly shutting off... which really sucks because it keeps resetting the daily challenge in Pokemon Picross!
I'm determined to beat that game without spending a dime! made to area 11, and gotta wait 9-11 days until I can access the next area!
Best co-op ever! except when your player 2 shoots the last tribal on the planet just as you're about to collect it.
multiplayer kinda stunk. Anyone ever master those floyd mini-games and unlocked the final multiplayer characters? Anyone actually enjoy the multiplayer?
Considering gamers club unlocked gives 20% off physical games... anything for retail games 20% or less is pretty much worthless.... and all wiiU and 3DS games are 20% off at best buy with gcu!
@Drac_Mazoku Wow! As a die hard mega man fan, I loved the first one. The reviewer's "more of the same" attitude actually had me interested, but after reading your rant, I'm definitely picking it up.
Does it still have the same minigame for earning more syega points or whatever it was called?
Y'know, one thing people don't consider is that amiibo can really be used as sharable dlc.
I'm sure that one amiibo can unlock the cave on multiple consoles... or save files?
Though, if a I had to guess, the cave will likely be an amiibo minigame type thing that works similarly to leveling up the chibi robo amiibo in ziplash
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Re: Popular Super Mario Maker Speedrunner and Streamer Has All His Levels Deleted by Nintendo
Ummm.. do they delete the stages from your harddrive? Or is it just removed from online?
Not too savvy on things streaming, but can't he just stream his levels without them being online? I don't see how his streaming factors into the issue.
"I make 90% of my money streaming, so it is important that you host my custom mario levels"
Well, I make 90% of MY profit making pizza, so it important that you all go watch nick's TMNT
Re: New Capcom Survey Points to Potential Future Plans for the Mega Man IP
@DonSerrot
yeah! just like how they use their own gun arm toting beloved character! I'm sure we'll see a whole slew of mega man themed spinoffs, like mega man mega amiibo marathon, and mega man soccor strikers 2! Nintendo certainly knows how to give fans of non-Zelda and non-Mario franchises exactly what they want!
F-zero fans are just happy as clams!
Re: New Capcom Survey Points to Potential Future Plans for the Mega Man IP
@Socar
rather, the problem with modern graphics in terms of mega man is that it's in 3D. you have less precision than pixels, so it's harder to judge those pixel perfect jumps mega man is notorious for, also, you view from a fixed camera height, so things in the middle are being viewed straight on, but things viewed lower or higher than that are viewed at an angle, while classic 2D graphics had everything viewed straight on.
it's less about the look, more about how it effects the game... at least for ACTUAL mega man fans. half the people here prolly just quit as soon as it gets hard. Actual fans play because it gets hard.
Re: New Capcom Survey Points to Potential Future Plans for the Mega Man IP
@KrakenSoup
X8 was 2D, unless you want the game to be both 2D with sprite graphics.
Re: New Capcom Survey Points to Potential Future Plans for the Mega Man IP
I wouldn't mind WiiU poweredUp 2
Re: New Capcom Survey Points to Potential Future Plans for the Mega Man IP
@Gauchorino
I dunno, fans really like the 8 mega man 2 rehashes. Maybe fans just want more of the same! Maybe we want another mega man 2 with new weapons, new stages, and a few more mechanics along with more playable characters
Re: Twilight Princess HD Loses Out to The Division on Japanese Launch
Well, dat der xbone..
Re: Axiom Verge Confirmed for Wii U Release Later This Year
@AlexSora89
Federation force wouldn't be fixed if samus was playable. If they added samus to the team and made the graphics normal as opposed to SD, it still wouldn't fix it.
There's a reason that people hail this game and dislike federation force. This is metroid in terms of gameplay. Not only is it metroid, but it's classic metroid!
Federation force is similar to prime, but not prime in terms of gameplay. Unless you can play solo alone that is.
but classic metroid fans just want games that play like classic metroid. Now that castlevania has gone lords of shadows, we get neither series that the metroidvania genre is named after!
For some, it's about samus. For many, it is the love of the game.
Re: Nintendo Download: 10th March (North America)
@hendie001
I think we have not enough mega man on the wiiU VC. let's get some Mega Man DS games up in here!
Re: Takashi Tezuka Began Development On Zelda: Link's Awakening Without Nintendo's Permission
@dudujencarelli
I meant in terms of puzzles and obstacles, not the map.
And in mobility too.
Re: Takashi Tezuka Began Development On Zelda: Link's Awakening Without Nintendo's Permission
I like link's awakening better than link to the past because there's more freedom.
Link to the past was very rigid on how you had to do things, with generally one solution to any problem.
Jumping and pegasus boots, along with bomb arrows allowed players to be more creative. There are a lot of ways to do things that you probably shouldn't be able to. Jumping alone makes this one of the best zelda games!
Just be sure you don't trade the shovel right after buying it, and buy another shovel... makes it impossible to complete the game!
Re: Twilight Princess Developers Discuss the New Additions to the HD Edition
@TobiasAmaranth
Totally agree, videos are nice, but only when accompanied by text summary
Re: Metroid Prime: Federation Force is Coming Sooner Than Expected
@JaxonH
director wants to make this game for 7+ years
metroid prime fans want a prime game for 7+ years.
If the director was denies this game and forced to make another prime game, he'd likely be peeved and the game may suffer for it. both have a right to be upset. fans want to protest the lack of core games, they can. whether it's a fun game or not, they're sending a message that they want core games. "If you want us to care about what you want, then show us that you care about what we want"
I mean, why call it Metroid Prime? it makes a promise that isn't being delivered and that's why a lot of people are mad. why not just call it in small text "Metroid's" and in normal big text "Federation Force". Make a series essentially called Federation Force and I guarantee there will be significantly less backlash.
But nintendo decides to spit in people's faces and say "Look, this game belongs in the Metroid Prime series, shut up and accept it!" They basically outright say this in the direct. Of course people will react overly aggressively in response.
Re: Metroid Prime: Federation Force is Coming Sooner Than Expected
@JaxonH
while it is true that you can appeal to the casual crowd and hardcore, it is rarely the case. They did it well in fire emblem by having both classic AND casual modes. But what if they didn't include classic mode? FE fans would be pissed, and eventually, they might just lose interest in the series that doesn't care about why they liked it in the first place, at least the ones that liked that aspect of the game.
And in federation force, it doesn't give the core audience the option to have what they want while leaving the options open to the casual audience, at least not that we know of.
Re: Metroid Prime: Federation Force is Coming Sooner Than Expected
@JaxonH
Mario tennis implies tennis. Mario tennis 2 implies more tennis featuring Mario characters. If they made Mario Tennis: Running the Diamond, and it was a baseball game, that would make no sense.
If they made Super Mario bros 4 about Tennis, that would make no sense. If they released Super Mario World 3, I'm pretty sure you'd expect to play as either yoshi, mario, or some combination of the two, depending if yoshi's island is in the title somewhere, and that you'll have some sort of platforming adventure, either defending baby mario, or riding yoshi around to save peach from bowser. All the super mario bros games delivered the same thing, but refined the game each time.
The whole point of a name is to promise more of something. Take Kirby's epic Yarn. that's not a kirby game! we have expectations, which aren't there. Kirby eats enemies and gets various powers from them. He didn't in this game. why? because it wasn't a kirby game! he was tacked on as a sales gimmick, not so different from putting fire emblem characters into codename steam.
Re: Metroid Prime: Federation Force is Coming Sooner Than Expected
@JaxonH
really, what it boils down to is that there are essentially 2 different metroid series, with it's own fanbases with overlap.
There are those who want more of the experience the metroid prime series delivered, and have been waiting for 8 years.
There are those who want more of the experience the classic 2D metroids delivered, and they have been waiting for even longer.
Other M did not deliver what those two groups wanted, though there were those outside of those two groups and within that did enjoy it, and thus it has it's own fanbase. since it seems the games will not continue, it is simply a spin-off, rather than it's own series. but because it didn't deliver what the fanbase was actually looking for, it did poorly, nor was it obvious that it was a spin-off. Metroid prime hunters faced similar criticism, though the prime games were still being made, so people had what they wanted to keep them happy, at least prime fans anyway.
Now, we are presented with federation force, which is a spin-off, of a series dormant for 8 years, with no sign of what the fans actually want. While it may appeal to others, we've already seen the prime series essentially kill off the classic 2D series. If they at least suggested that more traditional Prime games were planned, it might satiate the fans, but being show this as THE metroid game of the generation. it's a spin-off to a series with no main series games! what is it spinning off?
Re: Metroid Prime: Federation Force is Coming Sooner Than Expected
@JaxonH
it's set in the Metroid universe, which is the same between Prime and classic metroid. sure, it's got that, why metroid prime though?
gameplay... that's a bit trickier. the multiplayer nature of the game makes it completely different gameplay wise. while it may have the same mechanics for most part, it is a completely different game, like tennis is to baseball. both involve hitting a ball and trying to control where it lands and a couple other similarities, running around after hitting the ball, missing the ball is bad, scoring points when the ball goes out of bounds when originally in, etc. game play is fundamentally different, which is where a lot of fans are upset. Kinda like taking fire emblem, not giving the classic mode option and make battles play out like project X zone. it's mostly the same game... but different.
and then there's atmosphere. Metroid has a certain atmosphere to it. being alone and exploring a planet, uncovering mysteries and having loyalty to no one really, the feeling of being utterly alone. That's a staple of the Metroid series. Federation force and other M both did not have this. Fusion started out as though it didn't have this, but as you progressed, you began to realize how alone you really were.
I'm not a fan of other M, but they did change up the title to signify that the game was different from the other two series's
And while you didn't say casuals, you said broader audience.
I described three types of the core audience, those who like metroid for:
-the story (universe, atmosphere, characters etc)
-the gameplay (specific rules of the game, style of control and challenge, and type of skills needed to overcome)
-both story and gameplay.
if one isn't too big on either gameplay or story, then why are they playing? because they're nintendo fans? they like nintendo and want to play things nintendo makes? those are hardcore nintendo fans, but casual metroid fans. you appeal to the casual crowd, and you give the core audience no reason to like the series anymore.
If you don't care about the name, then you're not a fan of the series, because if you were, the name would imply you're getting more of what you liked. If you don't care about getting either more story of gameplay of the same nature, then you're not a fan of the series and just like fun games in general. this makes you a casual fan, pretty much by definition. you can be a hardcore gamer, but a casual fan.
Re: Metroid Prime: Federation Force is Coming Sooner Than Expected
@JaxonH
see, you like other M's gameplay. so the story being bad isn't a big deal to you, and you'd probably like an other M 2 with a more refined version of that gameplay. If they released other M 2 but had it play like a classic 2D metroid, you probably wouldn't be all too thrilled about that. If you like classic metroid gameplay, you'd be fine with it, but you'd have to wonder why they put the other M title there and didn't just call it metroid 5.
And you're claiming that a series isn't meant for the core fanbase, but for the broader casual fanbase? Wii would like to play? make games for casual fans all over again and start losing the core audience?
You'll sell more units appealing to a larger crowd, but if you appeal to everyone, you tend not to appeal to anyone a lot, and thus lose your core audience. And the casuals aren't too reliable a consumer as we've seen with the wii.
If they want to make a game to appeal to the masses, make a new franchise or new series. if you want to make another entry to a series, appeal to the core audience and budget accordingly.
There's a certain expectation with a franchise name. You slap the name metroid on a game, and there are certain expectations. You don't want to live up to those expectation, then slap another name on there. it's like making a game called baseball about tennis. while both are about hitting balls with long instruments, they are fundamentally different games, and you're just misleading people looking for a baseball game!
Re: Metroid Prime: Federation Force is Coming Sooner Than Expected
@Onion
having played through X7 at least 7 times, it's not so bad. Compared to all the other X games, it's garbage, but compared to 3D action games in general, it's an okay game. not good, just okay. a solid 5/10.
Re: Metroid Prime: Federation Force is Coming Sooner Than Expected
@PokeMario
the game looks good to you, okay. would the game look good to you if it were set in the splatoon universe? what if it was the zelda universe with bows and hyrule castle guards instead?
it's a spin-off for a series that hasn't gotten a new game in a while, the metroid prime series. fans of the prime series KNOW what they want. they have been asking for a prime game, they want to continue the prime experience, and they can see that this, simply by premise, is not that.
you can have faith that this guy will deliver a likely good game, sure, but it's not what metroid prime fans want, and putting the name metroid prime on it implies that this is for those fans, which it obviously isn't.
Re: Metroid Prime: Federation Force is Coming Sooner Than Expected
@Onion @JaxonH
the way I see it, for any game, there are two major aspects for people to be fans of: the story, and the gameplay.
people might not like the gameplay, but like the story enough to dredge through the game in order to get more of the story, like many JRPGs. For these fans, the story is held hostage by the game and they would much prefer the story to continue as a 'better' game.
Some may not care much for the story, but are there for the gameplay. They love the mechanics so much, they want more games to follow those mechanics. The story could be different, he characters could be different, but if the game plays the same, they are happy. Like metroidvanias being very much like metroid.
Then there are those who love the story and the gameplay, and want the story to continue with the same gameplay, like the mega man fanbase, they love games that are the same with new levels!
The problem is that the metroid fanbase is split up into these three groups. There are people who didn't like prime, because they don't like FPS. They want metroid for the gameplay, and while many of us love prime, it was not the gameplay that the second and third group had come to expect.
story fans were happy because the prime series expanded much more on the metroid universe and provided an amazing experience.
Then there's other M. For story fans, this game was terrible, because the quality of the story was inferior to those of the previous games. Even Metroid's little story was a better experience, the first NES game. just because there was less of it, doesn't mean it wasn't fantastic.
And for gameplay fans, well, for anyone who was big on classic metroid or prime's gameplay, this game was just something else altogether.
so, other M may be a good game, but it is a bad metroid game. it's to metroid as mega man X7 is to the X series. bad voice acting, a weird plot with too much crying, awkward gameplay and annoying gimmicks. it's on the same level as X7. X7 was an okay game. compared to other mega man games, it doesn't measure up, but compared to other similar games, it does alright.
people act like other M is the worst game ever made because it's the worst metroid game ever made (though I personally place metroid 2 at the bottom). it's being held up to a higher standard, so naturally it will seem flawed beyond redemption.
furthermore, federation force won't likely save the franchise, not for the fans who love the gameplay. story fans will be happy, but they'd be happy with a manga. If it does well, it could mean that metroid may never return to and further refine the gameplay that many fans had fallen in love with.
Re: Metroid Prime: Federation Force is Coming Sooner Than Expected
You know it's going to be good because Nintendo is insisting that it should be part of the metroid series. No reason to worry there, nope!
Re: Metroid Prime: Federation Force is Coming Sooner Than Expected
@XCWarrior
Skilled devs good a bad premise does not make.
There are plenty of reasons for it to be bad, even with next level, it depends on how much freedom they're given and resources.
Re: Planet Diver Aims For The Core On The Wii U eShop
@shani
because it's cheap, so people can actually afford to make games like that look like that.
Re: Hyperkin's ProCube Controller is Heading to GameStop in North America
@liveswired I liked the N64 controller because when I was little, I would hold it upside down and pretend it was a space ship type thing. my actions figures could even sit on it, using the Z trigger as a cushion. Ninja turtles fit on it perfectly because of how their legs were
Re: Soapbox: Bayonetta Deserves to be in Super Smash Bros.
I voted for Pichu
Re: Pokémon's Ash And Gary Are Getting The Nendoroid Treatment
@JaxonH
Less now about the name, more about damien's unprofessionalism. People corrected him, but he refuses to correct his mistake or to even admit his mistake among the slew of comments all independently claiming the same thing, even with evidence provided on why he's wrong.
It makes absolutely no sense as to why he really doesn't want to change it, doesn't even really say why. Just says no.
It'd be like I thought your avatar was a puffin. You correct me and show me a picture of a penguin, but for some reason, I keep insisting that you're avatar is a puffin, just because I saw a movie where a puffin masqueraded as a penguin and taught penguins how to fly.
Clearly, I'm wrong, and ultimately it's not important, but still, your avatar is a flippin' penguin!
Re: Pokémon's Ash And Gary Are Getting The Nendoroid Treatment
@Calllack
Exactly the point! It's lucario, it's red and green/blue
Re: Pokémon's Ash And Gary Are Getting The Nendoroid Treatment
@Kingrat
Doesn't matter if it's a big part or not, the fact is that these characters have names, and they're not ash nor gary.
If this was NintendoPassingfancy, that'd be okay, but this is nintendolife. This is just as bad as saying that wario debuted in warioware, or putting a zelda game on the wrong timeline, then when corrected, it's not really a big deal right? Why acknowledge the mistake?
Or claiming that final fantasy 5 and 6 were not originally released in the US.
Re: Pokémon's Ash And Gary Are Getting The Nendoroid Treatment
@Calllack
it's okay, greninja looks cool even with his head cut off.
Re: Pokémon's Ash And Gary Are Getting The Nendoroid Treatment
I really don't get it, usually when an error is pointed out, the writer will be like "oh, oops, I goofed, I'll correct it okay?"
but here "No, I'm not wrong... the entire Pokemon fanbase and then some is complaining about this, but I'm still factually right". it makes no sense! Why is the entire pokemon fanbase wrong here? it's not a bunch of people who banded together to criticize, it's a bunch of individuals who independently came to correct it!
Next you're gonna tell me that Ash was in Brawl!
Re: Pokémon's Ash And Gary Are Getting The Nendoroid Treatment
@AlexOlney
except that changes the argument. the issue isn't the accuracy of the name, is that they are not the correct names.
it's not that Red is more accurate than Ash, but that Ash is just plain wrong. To refer to that character as "Ash" isn't a less accurate proper name, but not accurate at all.
In Japan, that is Red's name, in the West,it's Red, but the Japanese name means Red, and is the Equivalent word in Japanese. Ash is neither of their names.
It'd be like referring to Mega Man as Astro boy and saying Rockman is more accurate.
Re: Pokémon's Ash And Gary Are Getting The Nendoroid Treatment
Like confusing:
DK jr. for DK
Peach for Daisy
Bowser Jr. for Baby Bowser
Birdo for Yoshi
James McCloud for Fox McCloud
Re: Pokémon's Ash And Gary Are Getting The Nendoroid Treatment
@Damo
so why leave out jack and john?
the names are there because the cartoon is popular. gave kids the choice to name them after their cartoon favs. The original suggested names were named after Miyamoto and Tajiri. Their names went on to be the japanese cartoon characters in japan, so when the cartoon and games were translated, the suggested name kept this pattern. those slots are essentially homage to Miyamoto and Tajiri.
What we're talking about in Zelda, is an easter egg, these names in Pokemon are essentially easter eggs.
Re: Pokémon's Ash And Gary Are Getting The Nendoroid Treatment
@Damo
exactly, because they're both common mistakes of people who don't know the series. It's not about the appearance, it's about the lack of information. People who call Link Zelda don't know that there is a princess named Zelda, they just assume they have the same name as the title of the game...and you even usually get bonuses for naming link ZELDA!
a better example is calling Samus either Seamus or Metroid. it just shows how little you know of the series,
actually, Link is the better example since you get to name him too, and players are encouraged to name him Zelda! Just because naming him Zelda is possible and encouraged, doesn't make it acceptable to call him Zelda!
Next you're gonna tell me that Mario's name is officially Mario Mario?
Re: Pokémon's Ash And Gary Are Getting The Nendoroid Treatment
Fact, best way to piss off pokemon fans: refer to Red as Ash.
Heh... Red Ash...
Re: PlatinumGames Explains Shift to Contract Work and Ambition to be One of the World's Top Studios
@Jamotello give them all the other awesome unused ips, I'm sure bayonetta and darkstalkers would mix well
Re: More Details Emerge on the Launch of My Nintendo
If they let me download games on 2 wiiU's, I'm gonna buy a new wiiU and pick up splatoon!
Re: Miitomo to Include Photo Mode and Pre-Registration Will Bring 'Platinum' My Nintendo Point
I was planning on trying out anyway, because why not? Almost made it to area 12 in pokemon picross without spending money!
Re: Random: Check Out This Kingdom Hearts Inspired Engagement Ring
Protip: don't do it guys, I read the strategy guide, it's like instant game over with autosave, and when you reset, you lose half your loot with no options for picking it back up!
This is one case where subscription services are better than owning, because that EULA is a killer!
Re: Rumour: Super Smash Bros. Planned as NX Launch Title, Bandai Namco Working on "Several" Games
I'm hoping for an improved smash run and the inclusion on ice climbers, nothing holding them back from this version, right?
It can have more stages too right?
Re: Random: Someone At Walmart Took Shovel Knight's Name A Little Too Literally
@Whopper744
You wanna sneak a shovel knight into your wife's garden?
* snicker *
Re: Hyrule Warriors Legends Secures Third Place in Japanese Charts, With Sales Below Wii U Predecessor
Well, to be fair, it's a re-release, of course it's not going to sell as well as the wiiU version!
The wiiU version was an "omg! ZeldaXdynasty warriors?". This one does not have the same excitement factor.
That and I think people are more likely to buy digital on the 3ds than on wiiU, since the 3ds is mobile and it makes a lot of sense to be able to carry all games at once.
Re: 3DS System Update 10.5.0-30 is Now Available
My 3DS has actually been less stable after these updates. It keeps randomly shutting off... which really sucks because it keeps resetting the daily challenge in Pokemon Picross!
I'm determined to beat that game without spending a dime! made to area 11, and gotta wait 9-11 days until I can access the next area!
Re: Video: Check Out the Introduction to the Jet Force Gemini Game That Never Was
Best co-op ever! except when your player 2 shoots the last tribal on the planet just as you're about to collect it.
multiplayer kinda stunk. Anyone ever master those floyd mini-games and unlocked the final multiplayer characters? Anyone actually enjoy the multiplayer?
Homing shuriken ftw!
Re: Another 17 Games Get North American eShop Discounts in the Winter Warm-Up Sale
Considering gamers club unlocked gives 20% off physical games... anything for retail games 20% or less is pretty much worthless.... and all wiiU and 3DS games are 20% off at best buy with gcu!
Re: Review: The Legend of Dark Witch - Episode 2: The Price of Desire (3DS eShop)
@Drac_Mazoku
Wow! As a die hard mega man fan, I loved the first one. The reviewer's "more of the same" attitude actually had me interested, but after reading your rant, I'm definitely picking it up.
Does it still have the same minigame for earning more syega points or whatever it was called?
Re: Zack & Wiki and Super Mario Advance 4 Look Set for Nintendo Download Update in North America
would consider zack and wiki if it weren't $20. can get it for much cheaper physically.
Re: The 3DS Virtual Console Pokémon Titles Won't Support Restore Points
@Zyrac couldn't you already duplicate pokemon in the original by powering off mid trade?
Re: Talking Point: Considering amiibo Features and the Reality of 'Physical DLC'
Y'know, one thing people don't consider is that amiibo can really be used as sharable dlc.
I'm sure that one amiibo can unlock the cave on multiple consoles... or save files?
Though, if a I had to guess, the cave will likely be an amiibo minigame type thing that works similarly to leveling up the chibi robo amiibo in ziplash