As we all know, the Pokémon turns 20 this year, and we're seeing plenty of promotional activity to mark this fact - including digital re-releases of the games that started it all on the Game Boy.
There's more good news for Pokémon fans, as stars Ash and Gary (or "Red" and "Blue" if you'd prefer) are getting immortalised in plastic. Just like the incredibly cute Pokémon Trainer Red Nendoroid we saw a while back, these guys are absolutely adorable, and are expected to cost ¥7,500 when they launch as a set in Japan.
The pack is going to be very limited and will be exclusive to brick and mortar Pokémon stores and Amazon Japan. Fingers crossed that these make their way out of Japan.
[source plastikitty.com, via pokemon.co.jp]
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Ash? This is still Red and Blue according to the games these figures are based on. These specific character designs are also referred to in name as Red and Blue in the Manga and Anime OVA short.
Their designed as derivatives of Ash and Gary but they aren't actually the same.
The Red figure you linked to is just modernized Red.
@WillTheLion To be fair, the default names in the games are Ash and Gary too
@Serebii As part of a set of 3(?) possible names for each. Anyway I edited my above comment to reflect that.
Still they look really cool. Perfect timing for these with the upcoming release of the virtual console games.
@Serebii Thank you!
NO
These guys are not Ash and Gary, but instead Red and Blue from the Pokemon Adventures manga. The Mew that comes with it is presumably the Mew that Blue tries to battle with his Charmander at the start before he gets interrupted by Red.
I get that these guys are the basis for Ash and Gary, but they aren't the same as their anime counterparts.
On a different note, the Mew is a really nice touch
Fact, best way to piss off pokemon fans: refer to Red as Ash.
Heh... Red Ash...
I came here for the exact same reason everybody else did. These are not Ash and Gary. Please correct the title.
It's Red here. He doesn't look incompetent enough to be Ash.
I want that Gary Oak one more than my next several breaths...
These are ace! I'd absolutely purchase these if possible without massive shipping charges.
I would love to have blue(green) he is one of my favorites champs, i hope the price isn't that expensive ^^
...Um...I don't think that's Ash...
@NintendoFan64 i know ash is so ugly
...Someone has never read the manga, or battled Red at the end of G/S/C/HG/SS...in the words of Sonic, Mr. Author: "Come on, step it up!!"
If nendoroids were sold in shops in the UK, then I'd probably buy the pokemon ones, then slowly get addicted to them. My wallet is thankful that this isn't the case.
@crimsontadpoles
Wow, you are actually commenting about the figures themselves and not their names!
Only PokeNendo I have is Cynthia, may get N later down the road. Not interested in these, though.
Can I buy the Mew as a standalone figure in shiny form, please?
(I really don't think they are worth ~$75)
@Serebii Hi Serebii
Seen you on here several times now and just had to say a big thanks to you. I have been visiting your site for many years now and think it is the best on the web.
I won't go on too much, it doesn't seem appropriate on another website. But a massive amount of respect from me for your dedication to your the website.
@Damo I see you edited your article's body text to say "Ash and Gary (or "Red" and "Blue" if you'd prefer)" But please swap the names here and in the title of the article or every comment on this page will be that the names are wrong. It should say Red and Blue (or "Ash" and "Gary" if you prefer).
We're Nintendo gamers so of course we're going to go with the game's canon names. Even if lots of people used the names of Ash and Gary for the characters that doesn't make it their names.
The Mew included comes from the Mew that both Red and Blue fight in the very first chapter of the official manga Pokemon Adventures that was based on the gameboy games. As seen here: http://www.goodmanga.net/images/manga/pokemon_adventures/1/10.jpg
http://www.goodmanga.net/images/manga/pokemon_adventures/1/11.jpg
http://www.goodmanga.net/images/manga/pokemon_adventures/1/13.jpg
That's why the Mew is included with them. If it was "Ash" he'd have a Pikachu included as seen in this Banpresto figure that is actually Ash: http://myfigurecollection.net/item/121521
Here's a picture: Also here's a picture of Ash and 'modern' Red as two separate characters from the same figure line: http://36.media.tumblr.com/3faa63489e572bb024e8bd71c5a1393f/tumblr_ncqijhfjry1tls927o6_1280.jpg
They're not the same.
In Pokemon Red the name select screens look like this:
Both Red and Blue were names that were higher on the list than Ash or Gary and as such were the more likely default option.
Also in Pokemon Gold/Silver when you return to the Kanto region you get the chance to fight these two and they are named Red and Blue without a chance to rename them.
Lastly and more recently there was the Pokemon Origins anime mini series that was 4 episodes long that covered the story of the original games. These characters were shown in this style of the first game and were named Red and Blue there as well. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Origins
Please fix the naming of the article. Thanks!!
@EmmatheBest Thanks for pointing out the Kanto Region Extra to Gold/Silver I had forgotten about that. It's true that they are named Red/Blue there too. And in that case the player does not get to name them.
Jeez. What have I started here?
@Damo We're excited about the figures and I appreciate the article. I'd love to her these if I can find them. I truly thank you for sharing this.
But it's just these are the protagonist from the game not the show. That's were the dissent comes from.
@Damo It's like calling Link Zelda.. They're different characters.
@WillTheLion
From your own post:
It says Ash and Gary there, from what I can see. And both look identical to the characters in the show. I appreciate there's a difference between the games and the anime, but surely Red & Blue are practically interchangeable with Ash and Gary? They both look the same to me!
I honestly never thought I'd be arguing about this when I woke up this morning.
@Octane YES!! A thousand times yes! Its the perfect example.
http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/call-me-zelda-one-more-time.png
@Damo I don't really want to argue it. It's just a slight error. I even said lots of people played he game with the names Ash and Gary because they're supposed to be similar. But they're not the same.
See Octane's post for a perfect example.
I also checked on Twitter and every comment there is the same thing about the names.
https://twitter.com/nintendolife/status/695562524712964096
@Octane
So saying this...
Is the same character as this...
Is like saying that this...
Is the same character as this?
Um...this isn't actually Ash and Gary. It is Red and Blue.
Edit: From a collector perspective using the wrong names is confusing because when I clicked on that title I was expecting Ash and Gary which have a unique design just as Red and Blue (Green) have a unique design. For someone looking to make a purchase that is dismaying that the information is incorrectly listed.
@Damo
exactly, because they're both common mistakes of people who don't know the series. It's not about the appearance, it's about the lack of information. People who call Link Zelda don't know that there is a princess named Zelda, they just assume they have the same name as the title of the game...and you even usually get bonuses for naming link ZELDA!
a better example is calling Samus either Seamus or Metroid. it just shows how little you know of the series,
actually, Link is the better example since you get to name him too, and players are encouraged to name him Zelda! Just because naming him Zelda is possible and encouraged, doesn't make it acceptable to call him Zelda!
Next you're gonna tell me that Mario's name is officially Mario Mario?
@khaosklub But Ash and Gary are among the suggested names for both of these characters in the game. Zelda isn't a suggested name for Link, last time I checked?
@Damo It was in the original NES game. Naming your character ZELDA in all caps like that unlocked alternate rearranged dungeons or something like that.
@WillTheLion It wasn't one of the offered names, like in the original Pokémon Red & Blue. What you're talking about is a secret code. Big difference.
@WillTheLion The proper names are Red and Green. However, this isn't based off the manga; that is just the names in Japanese. In the English translation, this was changed to Red and Blue, since Pokemon Green was a Japan exclusive. The anime characters are based on Red and Green, but since the anime and the games reached the West at about the same time, the localization added Ash and Gary as names that would be familiar to western audiences. Thus while Red and Blue/Green are the "proper" names, so many people in the west know them by Ash and Gary. That's the legacy of their childhood and the simple fact that those aren't the correct names doesn't change that
@Damo
so why leave out jack and john?
the names are there because the cartoon is popular. gave kids the choice to name them after their cartoon favs. The original suggested names were named after Miyamoto and Tajiri. Their names went on to be the japanese cartoon characters in japan, so when the cartoon and games were translated, the suggested name kept this pattern. those slots are essentially homage to Miyamoto and Tajiri.
What we're talking about in Zelda, is an easter egg, these names in Pokemon are essentially easter eggs.
Like confusing:
DK jr. for DK
Peach for Daisy
Bowser Jr. for Baby Bowser
Birdo for Yoshi
James McCloud for Fox McCloud
I prefer Red and Blue, seeing them being based on the original trainer idea.
Edit: OMG, I just read half of the comments here
Edit2: Also just like the 34th comment says, Green is his Japanese name (Blue is international). This can only add more confusion ;P
Edit3 (hopefully the last one!): the Japanese Pokemon Company also states them as Red and Green... So yeah, the true names for those figures would be Red and Green, no mistake about that.
@WillTheLion @kaosklub @Octane
Good gravy, does it really matter? I think the characters' identities are clear enough.
For some reason in the default name choices Red comes first than Ash.
@Damo
Honestly it's nothing that drastic but it's still in error. They are Red and Blue (Green in Japan). Ash and Gary are based off both of them.
The big thing I would like to point out though is that the Japanese site this article links to calls the characters "Red" and "Green". So there's that.
"Ash" and "Gary" may be chooseable names for both of them, but that's it. Same with "Satoshi" and "Shigeru" in Japan. Also, the Japanese names predate the original Japanese airing of the anime by years and were just references to Satoshi Taijiri and Shigeru Miyamoto.
We get their names "Red" and "Blue" from how they are first on the default names list in the games, and the fact that they are both called that in later games (Gold and Silver, Black 2 and White 2). Not to mention the fact that the Pokemon Company consistently refers to them with those names.
The figures are based on the original artwork for Red and Blue. Again Ash and Gary are BASED on them. While they may look a bit similar, it does not mean they are the same characters.
In fact, Red never really looked too similar to Ash at all.
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/thepokemonheroes/images/0/0f/Ash_Ketchum.png/revision/latest?cb=20140401231328
Ash has darker skin and Zs under his eyes, and actually has a different hat. Actualy, the one in the anime who bears the closest resemblance to Red's original design is Ritchie.
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/f/f0/Ritchie.png/revision/latest?cb=20100716070105
Blue, however, has changed very little between canons.
Just just think of all the Pokemon media as different canons/universes. The game, anime, and manga are all separate from each other.
(and yes, I saw this argument and had to make an account to respond to it)
Wow, people are really freaking out over the name!! Get over it people! Besides, if you're going to be that annoying, it should be Red and Green anyway...
@AlexOlney It's like saying this - http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/dinosaurking/images/d/da/Allosaurus_skeleton.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091126085652 is Tyrannosaurus rex because they are both dinosaurs and look similar.
@KTT Why stop there? If you want to get really accurate their names are actually '赤' and '緑'.
There's simply no need to be this picky about such a trivial matter.
I can't believe that people are getting so angry about the NAMES of some characters. Seriously. Also my new avatar's head is cut off lol
@AlexOlney If I could type and read in Japanese I would but for the time being the romanized Japanese text is helpful for all of us based in the West. The formal name for all West English speaking audiences (and aundiences that has their games not translated) is Blue, for Japanese is Green (and it would be spelled グリーン).
And of course there is no need to be picky, I'm just enjoying the discussion. But I have to agree with the commenters above me. The article has wrong names in it. I have nothing against this typo, it's a common mistake, and I just pointed the example with the dinos so you could realise it more clearly... And to be prepared as more people will comment here in the matter :U
Red and Blue,It's not Ash and Gary😂 Red doesn't even look like Ash EDIT: Oh wow a lot of others a way more pissed than me 😂
@AlexOlney
except that changes the argument. the issue isn't the accuracy of the name, is that they are not the correct names.
it's not that Red is more accurate than Ash, but that Ash is just plain wrong. To refer to that character as "Ash" isn't a less accurate proper name, but not accurate at all.
In Japan, that is Red's name, in the West,it's Red, but the Japanese name means Red, and is the Equivalent word in Japanese. Ash is neither of their names.
It'd be like referring to Mega Man as Astro boy and saying Rockman is more accurate.
I really don't get it, usually when an error is pointed out, the writer will be like "oh, oops, I goofed, I'll correct it okay?"
but here "No, I'm not wrong... the entire Pokemon fanbase and then some is complaining about this, but I'm still factually right". it makes no sense! Why is the entire pokemon fanbase wrong here? it's not a bunch of people who banded together to criticize, it's a bunch of individuals who independently came to correct it!
Next you're gonna tell me that Ash was in Brawl!
@Calllack
it's okay, greninja looks cool even with his head cut off.
I can get people calling Blue/Green Gary, since their designs are pretty much the same... But Red and Ash look nothing alike... Anywaaaaayyy. It's not like I will be buying these.
Ok - the one on the left IS Red, but calling him Ash is totally fine as for many, many people, the original trainer in Red and Blue was called Ash, simple as that. It's a part of their childhood and it's all they knew.
The one on the right however is Gary-Gary was here Ash is a loser-Oak.
I cannot miss these! I have never wanted anything quite as badly as these in my life!!!!
I have family in South Korea.... Maybe i can get them to take a little boat ride to the Pokemon Center store for me.... I wonder if theses are available for pre-order or not.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/44awrp/nintendo_life_why/
Nintendo Life can't stop!!!
The reason people care so much about the names, is because Red & Ash, and Green & Gary are separate characters, with separate goals and accomplishments. Ash and Gary are based on the designs of Red and Green from the games, and therefore look similar, but the show is is a different continuity. Red actually conquered the Pokemon League, became Champion, and dismantled Team Rocket, while I don't believe Ash has done any of that. In Gold/Silver, Green ended up becoming the Gym Leader of Viridian City after Red drove Giovanni out, while in the show, Gary never attained Gym Leader status. In general, Ash is on a never-ending journey and will seemingly never accomplish his dreams, so the show can last forever, while Red has more or less been strong enough to do so in the first game.
TL;DR
Red > Ash, Green > Gary
Because they decided the show should go on forever and have no progression. Ash is still described as being 10 years old after 900+ episodes!
Wow, these Jack and John figures look awesome!
Just accept your mistake, @Damo. No need to be so stubborn about it.
Actually, their names are... nevermind, I'll see myself out.
@LexKitteh Yeah because characterization and narrative are a BIG part of the franchise and have undoubtedly contributed to it's global success... /s
@Kingrat
Doesn't matter if it's a big part or not, the fact is that these characters have names, and they're not ash nor gary.
If this was NintendoPassingfancy, that'd be okay, but this is nintendolife. This is just as bad as saying that wario debuted in warioware, or putting a zelda game on the wrong timeline, then when corrected, it's not really a big deal right? Why acknowledge the mistake?
Or claiming that final fantasy 5 and 6 were not originally released in the US.
@Kingrat Which is exactly why I'm not editing the piece.
@AlexOlney I'd like to define my position on this issue as agnostic, but in the interests of COMPLETE accuracy/pedantry...
"If you want to get really accurate their names are actually '赤' and '緑'."
OBJECTION!
The names of the GAMES were Pokémon '赤' and Pokémon '緑' or 'ポケットモンスター 赤' and 'ポケットモンスター 緑'. '赤' and '緑' are the native Japanese words/symbols for 'Red' and 'Green' respectively, and have corresponding native pronunciations, phonetically romanised as 'aka' and 'midori'.
However, the GameBoy obviously didn't have the resolution to fit '緑' into a standard text box (and even newer Pokémon games limit the use of complicated or obscure characters to keep things more accessible), which meant that the game was almost entirely written in the language's much more resolution (and child) friendly phonetic scripts (which look like this: あいうえお, アイウエオ).
Assuming Nintendo were set upon naming the characters after the colours red and green, they had the choice of naming the characters 'あか/aka' and 'みどり/midori' (after the Japanese words for red/赤 and green/緑) or alternatively, naming the characters after the phonetic forms of the English words 'Red' and 'Green', which give 'レッド' and 'グリーン' respectively. This second option is the one they took, presumably because using a word from a foreign language gives a more believable 'name' than naming someone after a colour in your own language - just think how stupid "Hi, I'm Red" sounds. Clearly, it wasn't stupid enough to stop the English versions of the manga using it, but still...
TL;DR Version
The Japanese characters are named after Japanese phoneticisms of the English words 'Red' and 'Green', giving them different names from the games, which were pronounced 'aka (赤)' and 'midori (緑)'. This differs from the English version in which both the game and the character are equally referred to as 'Red'. Or 'Ash', but that's another debate..
...Pedantry is exhausting...
@Kylo_Ren thanks for sharing the link to reddit. I got a kick out of the fact that it's sparked debate here, Twitter and there as well. The debate is everywhere with the majority saying the title is wrong and yet @Damo wants to still disagree. Not the normal happy to fix an error attitude we usually see. But I guess it's getting this publicity so who cares right?
@The__Goomba Crazy right? It's the main reason people are even clicking the article. I guess that makes it click bait.
@EVERYONE In the end I really don't care. I only commented to attempt to be helpful, as did many others. I meant no harm. I hope no one feels I or anyone else saying the names are wrong are seen as being out of line.
Actually, I DO think there's more to this debate than just pedantry, as the DESIGNS of the characters - which differ notably between the TV series and the games - are strongly tied to the names 'Ash/Gary' or 'Red/Green(or Blue)' respectively.
As the article discusses figurines (which take their designs from specific source material), some confusion/ambiguity can be avoided by correctly following the naming conventions as dictated by the source material.
It should also be noted that the sort of people who would actually consider purchasing such expensive video game figurines are likely obsessive enough to be particular about the character's pocket configurations, not to mention their names.
Given that Nendoroid do actually sell different figurines based on the designs of 'Ash', I think referring to this character as 'Red' (just as was done in this article https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/05/this_pokemon_trainer_red_nendoroid_is_ludicrously_cute) helps avoid confusion as to what design the figurine is based on: the anime design, or the game design (which, as stated, is probably big deal to the people actually interested in collecting).
I'll admit that the Blue/Green/Gary/whatever model seems to look pretty much identical whatever 'universe' he's supposed to come from though.
For heaven's sake.... Nintendolife... this is redding RED, RED, not that other pathetic loser who can't win even if his life depended on it, stop confusing the 2 on every article you put online, I was gonna dismiss the figure when I read the loser's name, but then I noticed that it was Red the one who is in figurine form.
@Maxz That was my gripe towards this article in general. I despise the anime series for being eternal on giving the loser a meaning to his life, but I love the manga series and the myth that Red created around himself on that universe. The cap and hair are clearly based on Red's first appeareance on Red/Blue for the GB. It's insulting that they don't acknowledge their mistake.
@WillTheLion @EmmatheBest @itzdanburton ...but you're being equally wrong by assuming these figures have anything to do with some manga series. The articles sourced very VERY specifically refer to them as "the protagonist Red and his rival Green" from "Pocket Monsters Red and Green, the first games in the series".
@Juampi It's sad that the author doesn't want to fix it because normally the authors in general here are more professional.
As @FRANKLIN_BADGE said, "The cap and hair are clearly based on Red's first appeareance on Red/Blue for the GB." These figures are clearly being released to further promote the rerelease of the game boy originals and they have the designs to match.
As many would seem to agree, "It's insulting that they don't acknowledge their mistake." After all this is a site for Nintendo gamers, and as such we're going to know our games.
Besides anyone who Actually wanted an Ash Nendoroid would be mislead and disappointed when it wasn't the 'Ash' from the show.
When I saw the title, I knew there'd be hell in this comment section haha.
@Adamant to say they're based on a manga would be incorrect. They're based on game characters, the same game characters which the manga was directly based off of. It's not the same.
Besides the Mew alongside them would only make sense if it were a reference to the manga.
Can someone with the required editing authority please correct this article? The author is intentionally using misleading information in the title, and his unprofessional response to all previous requests is making the whole website look bad.
I just can't with these comments right now.
@WillTheLion Or, you know, the Mew event they're currently promoting as a tie-in to the VC releases of the original games. You're seeing connections where there are none. The figures are directly said to be based on the game characters and have nothing to do with any manga or any manga chapters.
@FRANKLIN_BADGE Hmm... I wouldn't call it 'insulting'. At least I don't feel insulted by it personally. I can understand the counterargument, which is to say:
These are models of the protagonist and rival of Pokémon Gen I. The protagonist and rival of Gen 1 are commonly thought of/known as 'Ash' and 'Gary' to a great many people - arguably more people than would recognise them as 'Red' and 'Blue' (or Green). It therefore makes sense to title the article along the lines of "Hey! Those Ash and Gary chaps! The ones that you've actually heard of! Well, they're getting figurines!" than "Trainers Red and Blue/Green get Nendoroid figurines", to which many people might think, "...who?".
To further the argument, if these are really based of the characters from original games, and not the manga, then those characters technically didn't even have names, so they may as well be referred to as whatever is most recognisable.
The only people who make the Red/Ash distinction are likely either those who are interested in the manga, or those who have some real interest in the DESIGN differences between the protagonist of the cartoon, and the protagonist of the game.
Unfortunately for @Damo, those are the same people who are likely to have the most interest in these expensive plastic toys, which probably explains the storm in a teacup that has built up around this article.
If I were him, I'd probably keep the (slightly misleading) title, and just acknowledge in the article that it's not considered accurate nomenclature for this particular design of the character, and draw some attention to the design differences associated with each 'name'. I'd finish off by reinstating that it really doesn't matter much what you call them, because there are some giant pictures which explain things much better.
Anyway, yeah, probably not worth getting too insulted about.
@Maxz Thank you. I really didn't want to go there but my eye started ticking when I read Alex's comment.
>tfw when it's not ash
Yikes, this comment section...
So uh, totally rad figures. Will jump on preordering when available.
@Damo I get that they're options, but Ash and Gary are not their names. Nobody calls them Jack and John either. Ash and Gary are based on Red and Blue, but they're not the same characters.
@Octane But aren't 'Red' and 'Blue' just options too? Do the the protagonists of Red and Blue actually 'have' names?
@Maxz Yeah they do, they're called Red and Blue (or Green in Japan), those names are canon. For example, you battle ''Red'' in Pokémon Gold, Silver and Crystal, not Ash. The first name option is always the default canon name for the character in Pokémon games. Calling them Ash and Gary would mean they're based of the anime character, but they aren't.
He made a mistake, a quick edit isn't too much of a hassle I'd think.
@Octane The point about battling 'PKMN Trainer Red' is GSC is really solid. I think that's the only time we get to see a previously playable/nameable character in a Pokemon game in the third person, so it makes sense to go with that as an official title.
It's quite funny though. I think the backlash against the article just goes to show how much people hate Ash. People really value the distinction between the protagonist of Pokemon RBGY and that one in the anime.
@Maxz In Pokemon Black/White 2 you were also able to battle them in a tournament setting with the respective names of Red/Blue.
Ignoring all else the games make those their canonical names.
@Adamant The tie in with the Mew give away event is a possibility. But as far as, "You're seeing connections where there are none." Your denying connections where there are some. Reread what I said. I said that the 'manga' characters as you call them aren't what they're based on. I said they're based on the 'game' characters which is the same source material for what the 'manga' characters were based on.
They're the same characters. That's like saying that Goku from the tv show isn't the same as the Goku in the manga because the tv show(anime) was made based off the manga to correspond with it.
Same characters. The game is the source material for both the figures and the manga.
TLDR: Same characters. One source.
@Damo So, if I follow your illogic logic, Toon Link and Link from the forgettable tv series are one and the same since both are cartoony. Way to go.
If you can find an interview with Satoshi Tajiri or Ken Sugimori where they clearly state that Red and the loser are the exact same character, then you can call Red whatever you desire. In the meantime, just be a professional journalist and report things for what they are, regardless of your posture on the matter.
@WillTheLion Agreed 100%, on the first chapters of the manga, both Red and Green do battle with Mew, only to be utterly defeated, ergo, the reason why he/she/it is bundled with them, simple as that, the connection is there, you just have to be arrogant not to acknowledge it.
It's like you said, the manga is based on the video game characters, hence, it's the same source.
@Damo @AlexOlney
You guys work here right? Please, keep us 100% up to date on this figure! I am almost considering making travel plans to JP just to get this guy, so if any new about it coming her pops up, be sure to let us know! (or at least me, mwhahaha!)
I wasted some time to take in all that was written above, this definitely shows why the Pokemon fan base is apparently toxic to outsiders.
While I've played most of the games this line of argument is loathsome and pretty well defines why the story in the games has no interest to me.
@Adamant - Alright, then, let's completely forget about anime and manga names, then. Explain when Mew has EVER had anything to do with Gary in the anime. ...Yeah.
Also, I'm AMAZED Nintendolife hasn't corrected the title of this article yet...
@WillTheLion What are you even talking about? There's 20+ different Pokemon manga series out there, several of which have characters named Red and Green, and you're seeing a vague similarity to what I assume is the only one you've heard of and assuming it's a direct reference despite the sourced article clearly stating it has nothing to do with neither that nor any other manga series.
@EmmatheBest Nothing? Of course this isn't based on the anime. Where did you get the impression I was claiming that?
@EmmatheBest Mew is relevant to the games they appear in, being the first top secret event Pokemon and all. Everyone loved Mew. Most people still do.
@Damo Pokemon Origins solidified the names of the characters we see in Red/Green/Blue as Red(your character) and Green/Blue(your rival).
Before this, Gold and Silver canonized these as characters that had completed their goals, and both held their own positions of relative power. Generally when a character is different in both design and canon story information, they count as different characters.
It's Gary. And you're a loser.
I don't get why a simple change can't be made. If the author actually read the names of the characters on the item description and/or box he would have seen the names of the characters. He assumed it they were Ash and Gary. After someone pointed it out, he defending himself and decided to be snide to the commenters who tried to correct him. Seems petty to me and the arguments used to argue against the commenters are weak at best. One of the default names you can choose in the games are "Ash" and "Gary" so that automatically makes him right? That is the best "reason" you can come up with? That you didn't even think of yourself?
Someone doesn't like that they were corrected by the commenters (some who I will admit were very rude about it), so he decided to get up on his high horse and use lame excuses to prove he is right and everyone else is wrong. Poor form. Stuff like this (the editors not taking criticism like a professional) casts a bad light on the site and writing staff.
@OptometristLime
I don't think those comments and the whole community is toxic. Most people here simply pointed the figures were named wrong, according to all available sources, including the Pokemon Company. This misnaming is pretty common for people outside the fanbase. Pointing the mistake and asking to correct it, I would call that a healthy behaviour of the community, as long it is not abusive and insulting and it is meant to be helpful. And it helps prevent further spreading of the disinformation. Science related (and not only those!) blogs have plenty of such comments, and the bloggers always learn something new in the process. As long as they are willing to constructive discuss the typo and correct it.
Just example: imagine an article on Playstation dedicated site tittled, let's say "Forgotten PSX game discovered!". I belive this would create similar storm under their comment section. And it wouldn't mean the whole PlayStation base is toxic.
I think it is a good example for few reasons.
1. "PSX" was the codename for the original PlayStation. It became popular, just like the name "Ash". Many people called the PS that name. Even if that wasn't it's name. Just like many people called Red "Ash".
2. Out of nostalgia and due to old habits, some still does. Just like the article creator. And I think it would be all passable but...
3. Later there was realsed an actual PSX system, totally backlashing the previous codename. Say, anime and games - all have different "systems" - characters in them, named differently.
In the end you have one original PlayStation that is called (wrongly) "PSX", and the true PSX system. Just like you have Red wrongly called "Ash", and the true Ash.
It's Red and Blue, not Ash and Gary. Ash and Gary are from the anime. The characters in the games have Red and Blue as their default names.
@Morpheel - Of course they do! I do as well! I'm just saying that in the very first chapter of the very first manga, both Red and Blue try to capture Mew, which explains it's inclusion with these figures of Red and Blue from the manga.
@khaosklub but... it's not greninja, it's lucario
Would love to get these, sadly I don't trust the Norwegian part of DHL.
@Damo
Bit late to the party here, but I believe you're actually right, at least about Ash. I own the Pokemon Trainer Red Nendoroid, so why would they make another one? It makes perfect sense however if they made an "Ash" one from the cartoon.
Can't believe 2 figures none of these people will probably ever own stirred up such a controversy
@Calllack
Exactly the point! It's lucario, it's red and green/blue
@Boerewors
They made another Red for the fans of the original Pokemon games for the Gameboy. These figures are based on the original official artwork from the games back in 1996.
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/53/Red_Green_Red.png
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/e/ee/Red_Blue_Blue.png
It's basically for those who want to have the really retro versions of the characters rather than, or in addition to the "modern" Red from Fire Red/LeafGreen, which is the figure that's out now.
Good grief people. Who cares...
Don't you people have anything better to do than rant about an article with the wrong name of some figure most probably won't buy or even care exists?
@GinHunter
Gotcha! I feel like mine is about the same, yet I want it! I gotta watch out for bootlegs though: paid about $75 for mine in Japan and flew to Hong Kong not much later where I saw the exact same Nendoroids stacked meters high, only they were fakes which I could only tell from one little detail on the side of the boxes. Since I was curious about those I bought one for $10, which was probably way too much too, and back home I opened both: if I hadn't known I honest to God wouldn't have been able to spot the bootleg. The quality of the pokeballs was slightly off, but the head of the bootleg was actually better looking and where my original backpack wouldn't fit the stand, my fake one was a perfect fit!
To this day I never buy Nedoroids at non official resellers; they could sell me a bootleg with both the shop and myself not knowing.
@JaxonH
Lol, you already know the answer to that question!
@khaosklub oh. um.
@JaxonH
Less now about the name, more about damien's unprofessionalism. People corrected him, but he refuses to correct his mistake or to even admit his mistake among the slew of comments all independently claiming the same thing, even with evidence provided on why he's wrong.
It makes absolutely no sense as to why he really doesn't want to change it, doesn't even really say why. Just says no.
It'd be like I thought your avatar was a puffin. You correct me and show me a picture of a penguin, but for some reason, I keep insisting that you're avatar is a puffin, just because I saw a movie where a puffin masqueraded as a penguin and taught penguins how to fly.
Clearly, I'm wrong, and ultimately it's not important, but still, your avatar is a flippin' penguin!
@khaosklub
I get what you're saying but, why is it so important to people that he acknowledge it as a mistake or change it?
If I told you my avatar was a penguin and you said no, it's a pufferfish, I'd say ok, think what you want. Seems a waste to devote so much time and resources on such a trivial matter
@JaxonH Many people simply pointed out the mistake, and he refused to correct his mistake, which ultimately spreads misinformation on a site that should provide reliable information about Nintendo.
Anybody could make a mistake like this, sure, but the fact he acknowledged that dozens of people said he had the wrong names, and they even provided proof that he was wrong, and he still refused to correct his mistake seems a bit weird (and unprofessional) to me. Even the original Japanese website has the correct names.
Sure, it's not a big deal by any means, I just don't understand his behavior.
@Damo As much as I hate annoying fanboys whining and pretending they're better or more knowledgeable than the author they're commenting, I also don't like how defensive or "proud" you sound. Of course, taht's not meant to question you or your job as a video game journalist, but I think you should acknowledge that as a mistake. Not because of fanboy nitpicking (I personally couldn't care less about callling Ash Red or vice versa, for that matter), but because it might lead to misunderstanding about the nature of the articles. As stated above by some users, the name choice led some to believe the figurines cited in the article were different than what they thought (since the Ash and Red figurines are different items), and this created some confusion. Of course it's no big deal, but I think if you can make a little change for the sake of clarity, that's for the better
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