When it comes to engaging an enthusiastic community and holding the attention of online streamers and speedrunners, Super Mario Maker has all of the key ingredients. As a creation tool it allows fans to create and tackle extraordinary levels and to share them with followers on various platforms - it's exactly the sort of continual online engagement Nintendo needs to foster.
Unfortunately, the rules around Super Mario Maker levels - and the way they're enforced - have been frustrating some of the game's biggest fans. For months some have fallen foul of level moderation and had stages removed from the game without warning; the frustrating aspect has come when users are sure they haven't broken the rules.
Another high profile case has emerged, now, with Twitch streamer and speedrunner Grand_POOBear - real name David Hunt - having all of his levels and stars removed. This first emerged, as these cases often do, on Mario Maker's subreddit, with Hunt - who makes a living from his stream - confirming that his entire catalogue of level creations had been removed from the game. He then told Kotaku the following to highlight the potential damage this could cause.
Streaming Mario Maker is 90% of my stream, which is 90% of my overall income so far in 2016
The saga with his stages goes back to mid-January, when a level called "Pile of Poo-POOgatory" was flagged by someone for bad language. He disputed this on the grounds he had other levels with "poo" in the title that were still live, and highlighted how it's even in his username in the game. A sympathetic rep offered to pass the issue along to the game's administrators - though that would risk a chance of the moderating team assessing all his levels, he took the plunge and asked for it to be looked at.
In February it looked like there was progress, with a call saying the level would be returned; that, however, then fell through as the representative had got it wrong. Now, weeks later, the entire catalogue of levels has been removed (due to their complex nature they took about 20 hours a piece to upload) and an understandably exasperated Hunt recorded his call to Nintendo.
As it stands Hunt needs to start again and hope that he can get the issue resolved; the level removal may even affect his plans for a charity event later this week.
This issue has been rumbling for some time, but when popular streamers and speedrunners - Hunt's Twitch channel has 11,500 followers - are affected it doesn't help the game or Nintendo's reputation with its enthusiast fanbase.
We'll see how this particular case progresses.
[source reddit.com, via kotaku.com]
Nintendo seems to be acting like an all-powerful dictator.
I hope this hit Nintendo hard. They need a lesson in moderation of user created content.
Oh boy here it comes again
LOL @ hitting nintendo hard. Yeah right. Just another day.
Shouldn't use such poopy language then, shouldya. Just kidding, poor guy.
It's a great game and it really put users to the forefront. I don't really understand their desire to police their games so heavily though. If they want to censor "poo" I guess that is one thing. But this issue seems to be much bigger than that based on what they've also removed. I just don't understand how removing all this could be good for Nintendo.
I suppose Nintendo should give a notice or statement notifying the player why the level got deleted.
Lesson: Don't use the word "Poo" for names. It's immature, stupid, gives the impression that you see yourself/your levels as, well, "sh*t" and in the worst case, it causes problems like these.
I'm not offended by words like these and I don't think it's something bad in itself, kids learn worse words in the Kindergarten anyway. Still, I can see why Nintendo reacted and they should handle a famous streamer exactly the same as any other player - no special treatment please.
This guy took the risk of loosing all his levels and he lost - no reason to whine afterwards about it, just because he's streaming. Heck, he probably profited more then lost, because thanks to the news reports, he got his name out
Lol he was warned that all his levels would be checked and tried to fight the system. Young people think they are invincible as always
Man, I love Super Mario Maker drama. If they ever made a play about it, I'd watch it in an instant.
It's like regular drama, but the premise is so unusual and out there, it makes for a very enjoyable experience.
His name got out but now he has no videos for people to watch. You know if Nintendo wants to take a stand against poo, that's fine whatever.
I don't really feel so bad for this guy who was monetizing it. But a few days ago - https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/03/nintendo_seems_to_be_deleting_super_mario_maker_levels_without_explanation_or_warning
Daughter spends 3 hours making a level and gets a star in less than an hour just to have it deleted? Games are supposed to be fun. I don't expect to have to spend time consoling and teaching the life lesson that sometimes life isn't fair over a game of Mario.
"All my stars are gone!" Poor guy.
...GameXplain has a level with a toilet in it...are they next?
I don't really understand that. If you want to say he violated Nintendo's terms and Nintendo was in the right to do what they did, fine. If you want say you would never watch a stream of someone playing Mario fine. But he liked to play the game online, and apparently some people liked watching him play it. So why would you be happy that something that doesn't affect you and something some people enjoy is removed?
Indifference I understand, hate I do not. It's pretty poor taste from Nintendo too if a rep told him his level would be restored right before they ripped them all out.
Get your heads out of the ass of the 80s Nintendo, the world is a very different place now.
Ugh, I'm really starting to despise Nintendo as of late.
On the one hand, you should know better than to test Nintendo by pushing the envelope because they WILL push back, every time. And they always win.
On the other hand, Nintendo has always been a moderation nazi and I wouldn't mind a few headlines of negative press grabbing their attention on this. Because at this point that's the only hope of them reconsidering their policies.
@readyletsgo why the 80s? Why not the 90s, is that not hammering the point home hard enough? And are the 70s not factually correct in this instance, as Nintendo wasn't making videogames in the 70s? I mean, we're talking about an online game so I'd imagine that the relevance of getting it factually right when they were making arcade games doesn't matter too much considering how evolved Super Mario Maker is from Donkey Kong.
How about saying the Stone Age? That's grade A hyperbole that is 100% guaranteed to get your point across. Here I'll start for you:
Get out of the Stone Age Nintendo!
So he makes his money streaming how I take it? Maybe he should find a real job.
If you read my above comment you will see that I am in no way trying to defend Nintendo here.
But the fact of the matter is Binding of Isaac comes with its own age rating. Miiverse (and Mario Maker) are rated E environments. There is a difference. Of course an argument could be made as to where they draw the line, but at least I can understand the reasoning behind this.
Since he is making a living from streaming these stages, as the article states, Nintendo has an issue with it, which, I must say, makes Nintendo look really greedy.
I am against stealing someone's content and making money of of it, but in this particular case, this guy is giving Nintendo "free" advertisement.
Why the hell Nintendo has a problem with people spreading the word about their games. Will it hurt their economy if a guy earns some money form it, from streams? Of course it won't. In fact, it might improve it.
Nintendo simply doesn't know how to handle this type of stuff.
That sucks for him. Real bad. But honestly Im glad this happened in the sense that hopefully Nintendo will get enough heat from enough high profile people to fix the stupid problem. Its a complete joke and has killed the game for me. Why waste time making levels if I know it will just get shot down anyway?
This actually has nothing to do with him streaming. The level was flagged for language by somebody else.
That's not to say Nintendo doesn't have a history of taking issue with those monetizing their content, but in this particular instance that is not the case.
"He could have done this privately." It seems he did try to handle this privately. And when Nintendo ended his pursuits he took it publicly. I mean he'll never get his levels back at this point.
"And I never said I hated him, I simply dislike the way he's been handling it by making a big stink about this." You called the guy a tool and said you were glad Nintendo took him down. That to me is a little more than disliking his approach.
"Also, the rep never said that." Last paragraph from the article above. "In February it looked like there was progress, with a call saying the level would be returned; that, however, then fell through as the representative had got it wrong."
@Syrek24 Regardless Nintendo are wrong. Nintendo are stupid and get alot of things wrong.
This is just one of many ways Nintendo don't 'get' or understand PR or their communities.
You have too much blind faith in Nintendo.
Have Nintendo managed to start indoctrination? 😁 😁 😁
That's why you don't make your income completely dependent on a single company with which you have no contractual agreement.
@cleveland124 #15 Well said. Couldn't agree more. Anything involving hate, disgust, envy or spite concerning something that is just supposed to be a fun hobby and doesn't even need to bother someone in the first place is truly pathetic.
One of my offline levels is a level filled with coins and pipes spawning more coins. Most of said pipes are on the ceiling, and it's called "A bonus level that can't be named". Yup, I'm not going to upload it anytime soon.
Yes, how dare he reveal to the world Nintendo's disgrace of a customer service support! What a fool! Lol.
You kiddies sitting around with your heads in the sand are the reason Nintendo maintain their shocking customer service.
If you gamed on Nintendo systems since the 80s you would know Nintendo are far from innocent.
Also...Im a manager at a call based customer service institution...and the Nintendo rep was not very good. Lol
Nintendo's word filters are usually dumb but they make the rules in their games, simple as that. That said, I don't know why anyone would try to contact Nintendo for this kind of situation and not expect it to bite them in the rear. "Hey guys, you deleted this level that said [word] in the title, I have other levels with [word] in the title and they're still up, what's up with that?", that's just begging for the rest of your levels to be taken down. And even if they were to say "ok, our bad, whatever", it's already down from the servers so the guy would still have to replay the level to upload. And if he already has to do that (or even if he didn't, really) why not just rename the level and be done with it? Whatever levels he had before with [word] in their titles probably bypassed the word filters or were never reported. He got lucky before and he just pushed it by bringing Nintendo's attention to them. He made the whole ordeal much more complicated than it needed to be.
People lashing out at Nintendo for this and saying they aren't uploading levels anymore are outright blind and need to get real.
I don't think its backwards to keep an online environment suitable for all ages. I do think that they should be a little more lenient but the system in place is absolutely fine. Xbox also has a system where users moderate the online environment. It's really the only option because there is far too much for staff to monitor.
Without any regulation it would become the wild wild west. The issue here is not that Nintendo shouldn't regulate online interactions in their games, it's that they should have provided the opportunity for him to change the name of the level, and shouldn't have taken down the other levels that were unrelated to this instance.
Dear nintendo, if the word "poo" offends you, then take Earthbound off of the eShop, as one of its main characters' default name is Poo. (Actually, don't, because I love Earthbound.) But if this is about the difficulty of the levels, delete all of the "Don't Do Anything" levels first. They are too easy. AND they take up too much space in the top of the charts, meaning that people that want to actually play a level (like me) have to spend a lot of time searching for actual levels.
What they need to do is notify you saying something like "Your level violates x and x. You have 48 hours to remove it before it is taken down and cant be reuploaded". That way the victim can pull it down themselves and correct it and reupload it and avoid the whole issue.
In all fairness, I feel there's something to be said for both sides of the story, and of course Nintendo wants to keep its online gaming clean and suitable for all ages, so moderation is just fine, but I've now heard of several of these Mario Maker instances and in my humble opinion Nintendo is really poo-shing it too far sometimes...
So, a bit of additional modernization certainly wouldn't hurt them, since especially when compared to the other two parties they still seem quite archaic in a number of aspects.
And giving no warning in advance is a definite no-no in my book...
Give a reason why. If a level isn't popular then I understand, but these were.
Definitely seems like there are two sides to the story. I've got 43 levels and none removed so far. Was he using glitches maybe? It would be nice if they let him know why at least.
On another note, might be time to get another job.
He was asking for it.
@Whopper744 Had you read the article, you'd know the answer.
It's a really stupid, headache-inducing answer, mind you. Just Nintendo's ''moderation'' system being complete crap as usual.
I havent got any levels removed so far as I know. I dont think we should be so hard on Nintendo for this considering much of the moderation and checking is likely done by algorithm. Many complained about youtube taking their videos down when it likely the fault of the crappy bots. In Nintendos defense you cant fault them for wanting to protect their image. It would be very easy to mistake poo for sh**t. Also if he was mostly just playing levels rather than making his own I dont feel that sorry for him. Lesson learned dont depend on streaming a single game for your main source of income
When you're third in the console race, don't be doing this crap Nintendo.
Nintendo makes great games, but have no idea how to react to their fans.
First world problems.
@rjejr Pooh's and piglets indeed...
Speaking solely as a former customer service rep for a few different high-profile companies, I have no sympathy for this guy. "Other people do it!" Is not an excuse. You got caught, they didn't (yet.) Secondly, I hate -hate- hate people who record their contacts with front line customer service reps like he did. It's a violation of privacy, and it puts somebody who probably doesn't make more than 25k a year (depending on where they live) on a spot that they're not trained for. It's disrespectful to frontline folks.
Everything involving videogames is first world problems.
You'll notice the lack of Somali flags on the created levels.
Couldn't he just re-upload them with different names? Who cares if he lost his stars? It's practically just a popularity contest anyway. Youtubers get the most exposure, so they get more stars. It shouldn't be hard for him to earn another 10,000 stars in a few days. Gimme a break.
If anything this just made him more popular.
Just waiting for the damage control and Nintendo apologists to show up, defending this BS.
That sucks for him, hopefully he makes a level in time for the charity. Good luck man!
I agree about the recording part
i can't believe people are carrying on about his use of the word "poo," given nintendo's own content goes there and worse. what really confuses me is the idea that the word "poo" is so shocking and inappropriate for children. do any of you have children of your own?! how do you think they learn to toilet? i promise they are using some word or other for it, and it's not likely a euphemism for most. have any of you spent time around little kids? guess what words they think are hilarious? and while i'm at it, y'all know there's an all-ages poop museum in japan, right?
i think there's some other issue, and nintendo, obscure as ever, isn't going to tell the community what's really going on.
but i'm thankful i didn't acquire a wii u for my kids when they took an interest in this game.
correction - it was apparently a poop exhibit, not a museum.
Poo? Really? Freaking poo?! That's a G rated word! This is why I own a Ps4 and a Wii U instead of just a Wii U. Nintendo can't do ANYTHING remotely mature nowadays, and I get exhausted with it sometimes. Sorry, I'm just ranting.
"Popular" according to whom?
@mikegamer Not before comments jump straight to the conclusions without any proof. Such is the vicious cycle of the internet
Yeah, I've read that article too, and what happened to the girl is really unfortunate and I really feel sorry for her. As an adult, you just shrug it off and reupload the level, maybe taking the time to improve it a bit. For a kid, it's a huge disappointment :/
Ummm.. do they delete the stages from your harddrive? Or is it just removed from online?
Not too savvy on things streaming, but can't he just stream his levels without them being online? I don't see how his streaming factors into the issue.
"I make 90% of my money streaming, so it is important that you host my custom mario levels"
Well, I make 90% of MY profit making pizza, so it important that you all go watch nick's TMNT
@NinjaWaddleDee the miiverse code of conduct specifically bans all references to human waste. The mario maker manual specifically says that all uploaded courses must conform to the miiverse code of conduct. It's 100% his fault that his levels got taken down.
@doll it's a violation of the miiverse code of conduct to make references to human bodily waste.
It's 0% his fault!
Funny, I remember back in 2000 Nintendo allowed Rare to release Conker's Bad Fur Day, which had The Great Mighty Poo and all of his... clogginess? And plenty of profane behavior... Today, Nintendo is on a roll with censorship and just generally pissing off their own fan base with bizarre decisions.
I'm aware Mario Maker is rated E, but "poo" is not a colorful/curse word. This is just Nintendo's draconian algorithms and policies coming into play again.
I understand his plight, and maybe he should have been more careful when naming his stages, but it would be nice if they could recover the stages for him under a different name (but the same stage ID).
With that in mind, I really think Nintendo should have more in the way of server caching (so they can restore stages as they deem appropriate), as well as a local backup method (but still tied to your account to avoid plagiarism).
Imagine if a guitar maker deleted every song recorded on their guitar. Mario Maker is a tool for creativity. Something Nintendo claims to encourage and respect. They look more and more like a dinosaur who is waiting for this internet fad to disappear.
@empsolo i had no idea, and given that poop doesn't seem particularly taboo in japanese culture, i find it very surprising.
The guy most likely got his stuff yanked because of the income he makes off of Nintendo. He says 90% of his income comes from the viewing of Mario Maker videos. Nintendo is within their right to restrict people without licensing agreements from making income off of their IP's.
As much as most will disagree with me, Nintendo has to do things like this. There are companies that pay licensing agreements to them that demand them to respond to situations like this. Not to mention, if they do not respond, it could set a legal precedent.
As much as people want to just do whatever they want and expect no one to say anything, it is not at all something a responsible company should do.
@PlywoodStick are people just stupid or do they not read the manual anymore?
@doll it's in the miiverse code of conduct.
@empsolo Nope, it's not in the Miiverse Code of Conduct, I just read it again. The closest it comes to that is "Be Nice to one another":
"Help us keep Miiverse an enjoyable experience by not posting anything inappropriate or offensive."
And also, "Inappropriate/Harmful behavior":
"Inappropriate or harmful content includes anything that promotes dangerous behaviour or illegal activities"
The first rule is very nebulous in it's description; it doesn't specifically state what constitutes "inappropriate or offensive content". Given that his name is based on Winnie the Pooh/The Flintstones' "Grand Poobah" (which the system could mistake as "inappropriate"), those stage names were obviously a self-referencing joke to human eyes, but also perhaps an infringement in the computer's eyes.
The second rule clearly deals with far more serious issues than this situation. Nothing illegal going on here.
As for Super Mario Maker's manual, I don't know, since I don't own the game. That's a very strange thing for a manual or code of conduct of any kind to specifically point out, though. It's usually a more broadly specified condemnation of inappropriate behavior, or... a nebulous condemnation, as it is in Nintendo's case.
Why censor poo?
Are we going to have to censor Earthbound posts on Miiverse because of the character Poo? I guess we can count him out as being a costume.
@DrRandle I completely agree! Recording the call and posting it publicly to YouTube seems so wrong.
Well, there is "Mentions of inappropriate or vulgar bodily functions that may make others uncomfortable.", but I'm not sure this would apply here.
@PlywoodStick read further down.
"Mentions of inappropriate or vulgar bodily functions that may make others uncomfortable."
@empsolo I agree with PigmaskFan on this one, I don't think that applies here. It's obviously a silly self-referencing joke to his Winnie the Pooh/The Flintstones' "Grand Poobah" based screen name, not a detailed description of an inappropriate or vulgar act. You really have to stretch that particular part of the Mario Maker code of conduct into draconian territory for it to cover this.
@PlywoodStick let's get real here. One of his levels was named "a pile of poo." And he didn't spell it such a way that he wasn't referencing shit.
@empsolo Nope, that's still a draconian interpretation. It means more than one thing: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pooh-poohed
(tr) to express disdain or scorn for; dismiss or belittle
verb (used with object)
to express disdain or contempt for; dismiss lightly:
He pooh-poohed all their superstitious fears.
verb (used without object)
to express disdain or contempt.
It's obviously a reference to his screen name, and the difficulty of his levels.
@empsolo You're making the conscious choice to interpret the situation that way, and no other way. Sorry... can't help you there. All I can do is... let you keep pooh-poohing.
@PlywoodStick if you want to play definition games...
verb (used without object), pooed, pooing.
I wonder whyyy he got his levels deleted rolls eyes
1) Make a living from people paying attention to you
2) Put "poo" in all your Mario Maker level names
3) Go all little-guy internet drama when your levels get deleted
4) Get lots of attention on news sites
Pretty sweet deal.
@Syrek24 Pffft, humanity has been desensitized for it's entire history. We're only just now starting to truly realize that. The more things change, the more they stay the same. There's no protection going on here at all, just shenanigans.
Look: Nintendo should definitely be flogged and beaten for its outdated outlook on the industry, draconian rules, and clear inadequacy in understanding the post-'90s era of gaming. However - and I hate saying this because I feel the guy's pain - but he really should've known better. I'm not at all offended by the inclusion of the term "poo" (which is obviously a spin on his screen name) in the title of his levels. But as an apparently avid Nintendo fan - made very clear by his dedication to Mario Maker - he has to know how backwards and out of touch with reality contemporary Nintendo is. As a result, he did take a chance by using the term in his levels. And as @PLATINUM7 pointed out, Nintendo seems to have conveniently forgotten the character Poo from Earthbound, which clearly suggests they have a "do as I say, not as I do" approach to how they run things. If they felt it was a violation, they could've at least given him notice. Deleting every bit of his content for the word "poo" seems extremely petty and over-the-top. I could see if his levels had profanity in them (like many of the comments here) because that's a clear violation. "Poo"? C'mon.
"Streaming Mario Maker is 90% of my stream, which is 90% of my overall income so far in 2016"
Best thing to ever happen to him then. Now he has a chance to find an honest and dependable way to make a living. Perhaps even make a man out of himself.
Strange form of advertisement, but hey, its nintendo, they can do what they want. They dont need customers,.. or so ^^
You´re joking right?
So far Nintendo hasn't deleted any of my levels. They might have as well deleted some of the worse filler levels I made for fun.
@LemonSlice Yaaaay, traditional conservative values... Wheeeeeeee..... falls asleep
Not just a violation of privacy, to my knowledge it's downright illegal (I can't say for certain as I don't live in the US). He needs to ask for permission to record the conversation with her, and comply if she doesn't want it recorded.
The woman did the best she could, and his hostility towards her was unwarranted.
They removed his levels for bad language - why is that an issue?
...Also, if his 'job' is playing Mario Maker on twitch then I have no sympathy for his loss of revenue.
Because there WASN'T any bad language.
The loss of his stars is a bummer, but can't he just reupload the levels or are they somehow banned forever? The least Ninty could do is explain why they do this (I mean in general, not just because of this guy).
It's not a problem, news is clickbait and goy is N hater.
NINTENDO CAN'T DO WRONG!
I won't pretend I understand 'Twitch' and how someone can make a living from doing a weird and annoying voiceover whilst playing a game somebody else made, but this does seem extreme. Mario Maker is a game all about tapping into the online video watching community, so this action seems counter productive. And the word 'poo' is hardly offensive. Come on Nintendo.
@Syrek24 "I don't blame Nintendo for taking a stand against a lot of the worlds ways of thinking given how morality is almost non existent and people are so desensitized that what they once considered to be bad is now good and vice versa."
I do 100% agree with you on the world condition, and I commend you for your post, but I feel Nintendo should have dealt with this situation differently, keeping it as privately as possible, dealing personally with him; it's only providing negative publicity to the game.
Good Job Nintendo! I support you 100%, all Youtubers and Twitchers need to be gone.
Nintendo creating more bad PR for themselves. They seem to be very good at this!
@doll What does Japanese culture has to do with anything? The rules for Miiverse content are for every country AFAIK.
@c1pher_c0mplet And you seem to conveniently forgotten that Earthbound is a PEGI 12 game, while online sharing in SMM is controlled by the Miiverse code of conduct.
I find the word Poo to be so cringeworthy, so much so that I'll probably rename the character to Boo if I ever get round to playing Earthbound (it's one of many games I definitely need to play).
Still, Nintendo is at fault here. Poo isn't a swear word, so I wouldn't have expected it to be censored (and no, I'm going to read the code of conducts in great detail before playing a game). If they didn't want it being used, then it should display a warning when someone's about to upload a level.
So Miiverse code of conduct says (roughly) that bodily function terms that others may find uncomfortable are not allowed.
People seem to be missing the point from the article that another user did find it uncomfortable as they complained about the name of a level and Nintendo had to look into ot and decided to remove said level. The guy was then informed if they look into it again they could re-assess all his levels and he agreed and lo and behold all his levels were gone.
In the real world it doesnt matter how many people don't take offense it just matters if one person does. For example in my work if I send what I consider a funny email to 100 other people in my work, if one person finds it offensive and puts a complaint in I could be disciplined.
Bottom line is its his own fault really.
Jeez, I love big N but they really need to learn the importance of freedom in an online community. I would love to see a second check box on miiverse next to "spoilers" simply labeled "adult". You wanna draw a Corrin with dicks for arms? Knock yourself out.
Im still amazed I was able to keep my old Nintendo network ID "KirbysEpicCrabs" until I stopped using my old Wii U lol
This is awful. Nanny state Nintendo at it again!
NOT his own fault, they said they would return the level, then took EVERYTHING away.
It is his own fault as he used a ridiculously immature word in his levels which opened him up to being reported.
What Nintendo said and then did I was not talking about, breakdown in communication happens every so often.
Bottom line is he brought it on himself.
@JaxonH they always win , lol there a joke in the gaming industry no devs want to touch there stuff and the only gamers who are Daft enough to buy a wii u is a fanboy or a gamer like me who owns all the consoles no matter what . they have already lost and this is fact look at the statistics and income reports the past two years the vita has been passing the 3ds in the handheld division and the wii u is a joke. the NX is already shunned by people and huge devs and others like EA already stated they wont be making any new games for the NX until they see if there is a user base but they might port some older games and good on them because Nintendo needs to get with the times. there a brutal dictatorship and the public and devs have spoken in sales and thats why Nintendo is a joke just look at animal crossing , mario party , color splash they dont care there destroying there own name a bit by bit and now there consoles can barley muster 13 million sales in 4 years LOL
Isn't there a law in America that says if you allow a wide audience to use your IP you can actually lose your copyright on that IP? (Video creators, not viewers.) Nintendo are a company very heavily Mascot driven. So I understand why they c'n'd fan made content. It could harm their IP; and immaturity would definitely de-value it.
He did NOT use an immature word, and so did NOT bring it on himself.
@freaksloan LOL ya well those gamers are why Nintendo is in a deathshake as no gamers want there stuff anymore and most are smart enough not to waste hundreds of dollars on a console that you get 2 games every 4 months and no 3rd party support & most of those games are a joke anyway color splash lol .
also kids do not want Nintendo most wii u owners are adults who own multiple consoles as tons of studies have shown , kids want xbox or ps4 . come on my cousin cant even use his name because Nintendo says its a bad word WTF why because its name after a person in the bible WTF . sad that Nintendo cant see there destroying there fanbase more and more this is fact every year there stuff sells worse and even the 3ds has been getting owned for past year and a half by the vita a system that is way better in every thing it does but its not even supported by Sony but 3rd party's own and thats why its getting better every week there are games ,
As I stated in my original post, if someone else sees it as offensive that is all it takes and that is what happened.
I personally dont find it offensive just immature and I wouldnt have complained about it but all it takes is one person to do so, which is their right, and Nintendo have to look into it.
You are not the authority on what is and isnt offensive/immature terms and neither am I.
"the vita a system that is way better in every thing it does"
Then why has it sold so poorly? It had an 8 month head start, but its sales are roughly on par with the Wii U
Considering his Miiverse screen-name and several of his SMM levels feature faecal matter, it's safe to say that it's being used in an immature way. I'd also say that poo is more immature than fecal matter or excrement.
@godslayer1975 The Vita is a joke and is destroying the reputation of the japanese industry. Please stop defending it.
Lol, I'm uncertain, are there any games for the Vita?
Get a real job.
He might have to now that he's lost 90% of his income, lol.
I was on the side of the guy...untill I read he made a income out of it. That's the whole crux. Can't he stream them WITHOUT getting money for it? I always thought uploading/streaming stuff on youtube/Twitch was a matter of love, not a way of earning money. Sorry, but he had it coming.
Oh, and never use offensive words in a Nintendo-game (Though in Nintendo's eyes everything might be offensive lol).
@Linkssword thanks for the attitude. I read through the article here butnmust have missed it.
I'd feel bad for the guy if he bothered to read the rules. He didn't or ignored them. OH NOES Nintendo are dictators!
Typical Nintendo fans defending anything Nintendo does that doesn't affect them personally.
@Gorlokk LOL. You could also say the exact same thing of Nintendo bashers.
It may be me, but... I really can't understand that someone would make all their income from youtube. As way to complement rent, cool. But living from that, knowing the risks involved?
Regardless of everything else, Nintendo wasn't targeting the guy, the system just took someone's report into consideration and deleted his level. I have no sympathy for him simply because he put an employee who had nothing to do with anything on the spot, recorded her and published the recording without her consent. He also acted downright rude to her when she tried to do her job and help him.
It just proves people like him are self-centered jerks who think of nothing but their own easy lives. How disgraceful. That's the kind of attitude that keeps me from being able to watch most streamers/etc. It's just gross.
The whole thing doesn't even affect him directly in the end! Shameful! If I took that kind of attitude when I first entered the workforce I would've been out on the street in no time! Disgusting..
Kids these days..
I agree with @FTPinkRabbit.
Having a checkbox for 'Adult' would be great! It would make playing on the Miiverse stage in Smash Bros. a lot better, for example.
Make it so people can flag posts as adult, and there you go.
Maybe he could get off his arse and get a real job now.
I love Nintendo and all but there are just some things they can't do right.
@godslayer1975 Please learn to at least start sentences with a capital letter. End the sentences with a period dot, and without a space before it. Try to not use words like "lol" in just about every sentence. Small changes like that make texts easier to read, and they might also make the impression that you're older than 10. Thanks!
@Monkeyofthefunk No kidding! Nice avatar.
I hope nobody actually feels bad for this loser.
The point of this article is to make fun of him, right?
@GenoBeatsMallow Thanks though it's not as angry as yours
That's a thing in Mario Maker too?
Ugh, it's like LittleBigPlanet's Cool Levels pages all over again!
@Monkeyofthefunk Yeah, mine's angry about all these idiots that are actually sticking up for this dumbass.
Not that I wasted my time reading 'em, but I skimmed through and saw way too many that weren't making fun of him!
So basically, from what I'm seeing in this comment section... Pewdiepie, Game Grumps, Two Best Friends, and all of the other big Youtubers, in addition to thousands of Let's Players, should also have their channel content removed because they're earning income the same way as this guy, because it's apparently not a "real job." (And many of them use plenty of profanities, "poo" is tame by comparison...) Who cares what one does for a living if you're not harming anyone? A lot of "real jobs" involve doing harmful/terrible/stupid/monotonous things. At least the guy is mostly staying out of trouble. Not everyone has to live life with Traditional Conservative Values®.
Nintendo is able to do this for a few people, because they can abuse the American DMCA in their favor. But they can't do this to everyone, because Google makes too much money from traffic brought by streamers to easily let Nintendo or anyone else do that. A huge multinational corporation's money revenue scorned is not to be trifled with... And this would be a mini Goliath vs a big Goliath!
@Rutana Hard to feel bad for the guy. I mean really, using "Poo" in a user name at his age, and also naming his levels based on his poo-identity?
But I don't know which is worse: how stupid the guy seems for doing this, or that people pay to watch someone like him.
@PlywoodStick Soooo sitting at home playing video games is a "job" now?
I think you have a major bias and slant. That post took all too much pleasure in insulting anyone who enjoys Nintendo games.
Nintendo has its issues for sure. But there's a difference between having a home console doing poorly (and for the record, Vita isn't even doing as well as Wii U, much less 3DS- it sells like 20k a week in Japan but zilch everywhere else, so let's call a spade a spade).
I don't think "gamers want nothing to do with them". There's 13 million console owners and what, 50-55 million handheld owners? That's plenty. Nintendo's issue is they can't sustain two platforms simultaneously, which hopefully NX will rectify.
You don't have to be a fanboy to enjoy fun games. Every person on this earth has different preferences, different schedules, different finances, etc. Some just enjoy Nintendo games more than any other, and who can blame them? Nintendo makes great games.
True, their release schedule is sparse, but again that relates back to not being able to support two platforms at once any longer. Even so, I play my Wii U more than PS4 and X1, even despite getting 1/10 of the games. Which speaks volumes for the quality of those few games that are released.
Your statement was far too slanted and took all too much pleasure in degrading Nintendo as much as possible. I do not dispute they have issues to overcome, but that doesn't hide your true motives of taking advantage of those shortcomings to indulge in slamming them and anyone who enjoys their games.
@Monkeyofthefunk It's not up to me, you, or anyone else to absolutely define the nuances of that. Not like it's any more or less useful than other similarly handled "jobs", like Ticket/Toll Collector/Scanner (all going to be replaced by robots/computers), Sports Caster (maybe useful for the blind, though), or even Drone Operator. (And that last one is often eerily described as being like playing a video game... At least this guy isn't killing anyone)
I had a level deleted - I tweaked it a little and uploaded it again. Can't he do the same??
Also, he needs to diversify. How much money does this guy generate from super Mario maker?
@godslayer1975 ok guess you can't read.they are all on board already for the nx,ea and ubi
Thats good people need to find a real job, then sitting in front of tv playing games making money on someone else's creation.
On one hand, sure, it sucks. On the other hand, did he really have to use the word "poo" in his level/user name? He should know better.
@PlywoodStick Ok. I can see that your definition of job is rather different than mine. He plays games as most of us do. It's a hobby, not a job.
@Monkeyofthefunk The only difference between "hobby" and "job" is whether one makes any money from it. The world's a backwards place sometimes. Financially screwing other people's lives over can be very lucrative, sometimes even earning millions, but performing needed community services often earns about $0. (The real rewards are more important, though!) At least this guy doesn't seem to be hurting anyone. (Except maybe some feelings... Boo hoo.)
I 100% agree with my statement below -
Nintendo has the best policies on censorship and protecting it's customers.
Keep up the good work Nintendo.
@jariw i was speculating on whether or why the word poo might be offensive enough to nuke this guy's levels, and i'm still not convinced that's what did it, given others have lost levels for no apparent reason. maybe that's what happened; i'm no insider. i don't think i was too far out in considering what influence japanese culture/tastes/values might have on nintendo policies, as no company operates in a vacuum.
Give it up, lad. This thread is drowning in sanctimonious thinking. You have done well, but it's a lost cause.
NL is now the bastion of the self righteous. Be gone heathens who think differently than they.
Wow, there sure a lot of stupid "get a real job" comments here. Sure, he may have a lame username, but he's an entertainer, which is as valid a job as any.
Tough luck. Then again, he was using the word 'poo' everywhere, and he was warned beforehand that Nintendo assessing his stuff could lead to his levels taken down. He went ahead anyway, so then don't come complaining afterwards.
Sure it sucks, but it's really his own fault. Also, just because he's 'famous' (I wouldn't call 11,500 followers anything particularly noteworthy these days really) doesn't mean he should be treated any differently than everyone else. Or does anyone think it should?
Oh and really, if sitting in front of your TV and playing Mario Maker is 90% of your actual income, maybe start thinking about a career change. -_-'
Nintendo's really putting a damper on my will to create levels...I recently had a level deleted for God-knows-what reason. For God's sakes, it was called Jumping Jack Johnson!! I know this guy had some weird fixation with the word "poo", but let's be honest, that sin;t swearing in any household, save for the most puritan of them
dude like that had to have understood he was looking for a fight. everyone knows nintendo cares about their ecosystem...
This situation is completely ridiculous on both sides. Shame on the guy for how he's acting and shame on Nintendo for such ridiculous moderation. If someone is really that bothered by "poo", I just wonder how they live. I will agree that "poo" does make me uncomfortable for a little while though. Also, does this mean that a level called "Level Number 2" could be taken down? It's sad to think that could definitely be the case...
@JaxonH But he does mention some of his levels that does not contain bad language got deleted too.
Either way, it baffles me why would he use bad language in the first place to name his stages.
And as I mentioned above, that is precisely the issue. His other levels should never have had anything to do with it.
I'm just wondering if there is more to the story than poo. I mean it's silly to take down one then all his stages for using it, but also why not change the title. Color me sceptical, or brown
Also I'll admit, I am biases on the whole income on streaming video games thing, but that's a whole other issue..... or is it?
If Nintendo had done that to my levels, best believe the game would go on the shelf never to be played again.
Words can't describe how much Nintendo sucks in this day and age.
Uh, pretty stupid move on his part. His defense was that he had done it before and not been caught?
"Officer, what do you mean I can't run through that stop sign? I've done it 50 times before and nobody said anything. See, I have proof!"
I mean, when Nintendo gives you crap, just take it, put your head down and keep walking.
"I mean, when Nintendo gives you crap, just take it, put your head down and keep walking."
You just used the word "crap" which is a synonym for feces.
All of your posts will now be deleted, and you are going to like it and beg for more.
In complete seriousness though, where does Nintendo get off telling people not to use the word "poo" when in Mario games alone, they've got Wario, who is at this point reduced to a literal walking fart joke?
It is sad to see that, but maybe get a real job like normal people?
Using poo is a big deal, kids! Poo will kill us! Hide your kids, hide your wife! Poo is coming!!
...so what about Poo from Earthbound? They gonna change his name?
@Madmanonfire Yes as valid as a Doctor or Policeman.
@Syrek24 Hear Hear.
Cry me a river. Anyone making money off someone else's name and product like this should just take the high road and accept the reality of things when IP holders exercise their rights. ...And, who over the age of five uses the word "poo" in any kind of humorous context?
We can all point fingers and say the guy should stop being so lazy, but maybe instead people could stop being so self-righteous, hypocritical, and judgmental hmm?
You hardly know anything about this guy, and regardless of how he chooses to make money, the guy was planning a charity stream. You may have a "real job" but what have you done for charity?
@Syrek24 Sanctimonious, huh... looks at your comments Are you sure that's not just you? You're sure sounding high and mighty, there. Cast not the first stone, I say, lest you be judged for judging others.
I'm not saying what he's doing is great, but he's not ripping people off, either. I don't think people who make their living off of selling jail bonds, high risk loans, incomplete health care, rigged student loans, fake charity telemarketers, or deritives marketers have "real jobs" that are genuinely helpful to society, and they hurt as often or more than they help, but I'm not going to rant about it and accuse someone else of incompetence on my own accord.
If we're going to keep our opinions to ourselves... Then it should be mutual, not one sided, no?
And I presume you'd be A-OK with NintendoLife getting taken down too, right?
That kind of thinking is silly. It'd be like saying a corrupt person is good as long as they give to charity every once and a while.
And most people volunteer in lieu of giving money (most of which just goes to pay employees of non-profit companies anyway. They act like it's altruistic, but watch them get angry when you offer something besides money like food, or time, etc. or get even angrier when you ask how the money actually being allocated).
I agree Nintendo comes down a little too hard on some of these people, but I really don't feel THAT sympathetic to people who whine and cry about getting paid to play video games and scream into a microphone.
This is so stupid why make a game which allows sharing of user created levels just to remove them?
I understand this may be because of the word 'poo' of all things but others have had their levels dissappear for no reason and that would be the kind of thing putting people off spending their time with this awesome game.
@R_Champ I get what you're saying, and my intention isn't to glorify just anyone who gives to charity and put down those who don't. All I'm saying is, people can call him lazy, but he tried to put that money to a good cause. Should all charity live streams not get any money just because they sit and play video games?
I'm not saying this guy is the nicest guy ever, or that let's players are all good people. All I'm trying to say is people should stop acting so judgmental towards these people. People should focus more on themselves and what they can do better instead of judging others for doing harmless activities like let's plays.
A lot of the "no reason" stuff isn't no reason at all. Small kids who have their levels removed often have their own name in the name of their levels. Sharing personal information over Miiverse is a no-no, and your level's name shows up on Miiverse. The same goes for dirty language in level names, no matter how "tame" it seems.
When in doubt, aim for G-rated for your own safety.
Feel sorry for him, Nintendo, get some competent programmers and fix your algorithm, it's broken and terrible and if its source was ever to be leaked/release, it would be an example of how to not write a moderation algorithm.
That really sucks. I really wish Nintendo would drop their filter a little bit. They probably got deleted because of the word "poo" being in the title.
There is literally nobody old enough to play video games that should be offended by stupid stuff like that. I understand explicit cuss words and sexual innuendos and the like, but this sort of thing is just ridiculous.
Huh? I don't get what the fuss is about. He used the word poo in the title of his levels & had "all" 6 of his levels deleted? That's really not that many. Just make some new ones & not use the word 'poo'? Not a big deal.
@Syrek24 Just look at what you've typed for a moment. Doesn't that seem like a very aggressive, denying, and even crusading way of talking down to others as if you're better than them?
@Syrek24 Never mind, my bad. I didn't realize until I looked at your comment history that you went on a year's hiatus, just to come back for this sort of issue, to wail on others. Based on your past comments, it doesn't seem like you were looking for a discussion this time either. I should have known better.
Jeez people are really getting preachy about something that's not even that terribly important. Shouldn't the issue at hand here be the fact that Nintendo is removing levels without warning? I don't know why streaming not being a "real job" is even at the forefront of this discussion right now. I don't understand the whole streaming biz either but I'm not going to say what they're doing is not a real job, that's just being elitist for no reason. Sure, streamers make money off Nintendo's work but that's like saying that someone with a degree in culinary arts and cooks for a living is making money off the brand of whatever pots and pans they use to cook with. It's ridiculous logic and I can't believe I'm even seeing it.
This is partly one of the problems with the gaming community as a whole these days. Everything has to become a crusade. It sucks the fun out of things and goes against everything gaming should be about. No one has the authority to declare anyone else's line of work as being any lesser than anyone else's. I know nothing about streaming but I imagine it takes money to keep their equipment up to date and I doubt it's as easy as sitting in front of a camera and talking.
The bottom line here is that Nintendo needs to communicate a little better with their userbase or perhaps modify whatever system they have in place that determines when or why a level is deleted automatically.
I wouldn't even waste time with that guy. The moment he uses a phrase like "anyone with a brain", you know it's a lost cause. His head is too far up his own ass to see any point of view but his own. Leave him to his morality. These people are right there with the tumblr freaks who rant endlessly about male gardevoirs.
What amazes me is how many people actually enjoy watching videos of other people playing video games! I understand 30 to 90-second previews of a game, but anything else - I avoid at all costs. To me that feels like when we used to have to sit through the other player's turn on the original Super Mario Bros.
@Nintendood Wow, I was starting to think I was the only one... When it first started to get popular, watching other people play online, I was like you've gotta be kidding me, right? I think some people must start off wanting to know how to accomplish something, and just don't have the patience to read about it on a site like GameFAQs, or they need to learn a better strategy at a game because all their friends keep on beating them. But I think some people like, literally get some kind of enjoyment out of it, even when it's a game they already own and could be playing themselves instead, and even when they're not learning anything from watching it!
@Nintendood @GenoBeatsMallow "What amazes me is how many people enjoy watching other people play sports! Those people are so lazy! Why don't they just go out and play sports themselves? Why don't they make the effort to build the teams and actually do it themselves? They're not learning anything new from just watching, and they own the equipment they need to play, so there's no excuse! I would never stoop so low as to watch someone else play sports!"
...See how silly that sounds? There is more to it than that, of course, but people watch others play video games for similar reasons that people watch others play sports. But primarily... They do so because they enjoy it! Enjoyment doesn't always have to be complex or profound.
That seems so weird to me, since most of my enjoyment from video games comes from discovering secrets and developing techniques on my own, along with the feeling of accomplishment that comes with making progress. Sure, I may consult guides or check out cheats, but I'd much rather read about it and experience it for the first time while I'm doing it.
Watching someone else do something and merely copying what they do, would take all the fun and feeling of accomplishment out of it - making it feel more like a chore to me. I can't even begin to undertand people that you say enjoy it when they're not even learning from it. The only way doing that for more than a minute or two would ever make sense to me, is if it was a game that I'll never be able to get my hands on.
@PlywoodStick "What amazes me is how many people enjoy watching other people play sports! ...They're not learning anything new from just watching, and they own the equipment they need to play, so there's no excuse! I would never stoop so low as to watch someone else play sports!""
You think that sound silly?! It makes perfect sense to me, and describes exactly how I feel about watching sports. Granted, I might feel differently if I had a family member or very close friend on a team, but I don't. I wouldn't use the words "stoop so low" because I'm not actually trying to insult people that do it, though. I do enjoy playing certain sports - but watching them, especially on TV (rather than in person), has always seemed like a huge waste of time to me. Not to mention, really boring.
@Nintendood I was exaggerating a bit. Granted, I'm not big on watching sports either, but a lot of people do enjoy it, for whatever reason. I appreciate your candor, in any case.
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