@JoeyTS people here have a big misconception that not liking something and having an opinion on why it's bad means you don't think others are not allowed to have an opinion too, or enjoy and buy what is available on the marketplace. Reading the comment you are referring to makes it sound like we are protesting outside Nintendo, not sounding off on a message board.
@SwitchForce on top of that you have to take into account distance to the cloud server. And jump points in between. You can have a super fast download with a second of overhead lag for the packets and never know it.
There is a reason most online games use predictive rendering now where it estimates the next frame if it doesn't get data points and then makes up the difference later. Can't exactly do that with an entire screen. I agree it's super complicated
@NEStalgia I think it's more about survival for them right now. I hate to see Nintendo sell out to streaming companies in order to keep games going. I lost power overnight due to storms and broke out the 3DS this morning. Nintendo are still my goto for portables and I just hope they don't end up losing their integrity over wanting new third party games.
Maybe I was just in denial before that this could be a reality because I don't like it anymore than you do.
I would hate for it to become that system that's cool when it works, and also has some crappier looking games on it you can play anytime. Rather than, that system that doesn't value graphics over gameplay and values the user's experience over all else.
I used to like being able to hold my hand to either side but man it made me a sloppy gamer when I'd do it. Nothing like gripping an object with both hands to make you more focused on the correlation between direction and buttons.
I don't buy a switch to be tethered to an internet connection fast enough to keep my game from crapping out. Just get an Xbox one or ps4 if you really want these games.
Control has already started queueing people up like getting into a freaking battlefield server to play a game they bought.
@JaxonH dude about your comment on it being #1. It shows up as free. Don't you think most people are downloading it to see what it is and if there is a demo in there? Cause I doubt sales are even 1 to 100 downloads at this point.
@NEStalgia while I don't disagree with that for certain games I find it hard to believe they will leave full portability behind. It won't always be feasible to stream games so there will still have to be a fair share of games that play natively. I love stuff like gamepass because I use it at home in front of one tv with a hard wired connection but I like having switch to play anywhere in any internet/lack of internet setting. I dont have the stomach for this model either, hopefully it doesn't catch on. I don't know how much mileage Microsoft get out of streaming games to smart phones and tablets but I don't use it.
I feel like we just got close to the finish of this long strange trip to everything becoming digital and stuff like this just reaffirms people's fears that game companies want to take away ownership from the players for good.
I think we will see another nvidia portable streaming device before Nintendo go all in on this.
@NEStalgia paying full price for a game is different than what I said. Dude why do you have such a craw about it. There is no huge streaming library for one price here just a 60 dollar game.
@blockfight oh well you must have a better carrier. Mine tries to limit the specific hotspot data itself. I never really use a hotspot and aren't signed up for a plan but thought that was some crap to do. Do you play stadia on your phone?
@blockfight That's a lot of data. Makes me wish we had portable game systems with native mobile data like back in the vita days if this is where we are going.
@pikminlover Did it ever occur to you they gave the original a higher score because it was an actually new game, not just a port? Is that hard to understand or what?
I'll just break out the wii u again. Nothing beats the nun-chuck and wiimote control scheme. It was so satisfying after playing it on wii u pro controller and someone online telling me I was playing it wrong. It felt like all the issues were fixed and I was a lot better at it.
It's just a matter of time before we have a cloud only handheld gaming system from Amazon or something...
The big problem here is you tell someone you have control for switch. They're like, let's see it. You break out your device and their wifi is crap so the game just looks like a joke... Or you try to play this on the road and eat up all your hotspot phone data. Anyone know how much bandwidth it actually uses?
Kinda reminds me of that Gameboy battle arena toshinden. This was the era just before gba showed us we could have full fledged fighter ports and not miniaturizations.
@NEStalgia I mean you over simplify it then say well it's extremely complicated behind the scenes. It's unprofitable is my theory, you have a different one apparently. But attempting to speak for Microsoft (because they gave gamestop money) or Nintendo (because they allow 2 games to stream in japan) is kind of a stretch. I don't know what went down with negotiations but it was on the table at one point and was taken off. I'm going to say Nintendo aren't so happy go lucky about the deal as you might think. They make a lot of money off those eshop fees and anything to cut into that would be bad for them. They're not going to make 30% of game prices on gamepass. They obviously didn't value it and see it as a positive or they would have worked with them. They must have some kind of a relationship because of all the ports and the fact that they don't see eachother as direct competitors.
@NEStalgia do you have gamepass? Cause I do and the outer worlds has been in there for ages. Rentals never lasted months on end and came 10 at a time with 90 still at home. A lot of games will stick around forever so it's like a rental service that lets you keep every microsoft game for free pretty much for the price of a few games a month from the old guys, even in 90s pricing. It's not even an analog to the experience you get from blockbuster or redbox.
Super Mario 3D World got me to buy a Wii U and this game got me to buy a Switch (already had BOTW on wiiU). It wasn't the most challenging but I'd been burned out by difficult mario games after trying to complete New Super Luigi U. It's been a lot of years but I probably wont' play through it again just because I've seen it all and I spent so much time grinding my way past 350 moons on my one save.
@electrolite77 anyone with gamepass has little to no incentive to buy any of the games on gamepass. Microsoft pay the companies to promote their own brand, so why would Nintendo have a huge ad for microsoft and have the companies involved only get paid for xbox offsets. Microsoft would start having to pay them for their offset in sales on Switch. Then Nintendo wouldn't get any of the publishing credits of games sold on the store so they'd have to pay them too.
It's just very expensive to have to satisfy both the owner of the platform and the publishers of the games at the same time.
@Kiwi_Unlimited Plus the existence of God is neither political or social. Not sure if there is something more to the dialog that wasn't mentioned.
Playing through it it does pick some fun at Christianity. Basically there are people with halos above their heads supposedly spreading the word of how the place was created. There is also a trophy called jesus christ suprastar where you "Get Mr. Miracle some groupies". Making fun of religion shouldn't get a game deducted in points no matter what your belief. It's just a fact of reality religion attempts to define the unknown.
Going to give this one a try on xbox game pass to see for myself.
So far I can confirm the graphics are muddy on xbox as well. Combat is pretty much just flailing around. The world is interesting and there seem to be a variety of things to do at any given time. Just collecting and upgrading so far. I guess I'll have to see if it gets annoying but I'm pleasantly surprised for a 4/10 game.
This is actually a really fun game so unless someone can attest to it bring broken on Switch not sure the reviewer knew how to do 3d platforming. I mean yeah you have to take your time a heck of a lot more than 2d platforming.
Would a new Castlevania game in the style of the gba/ds games get described as a Metroidvania? Cause this looks like it's just going for a Castlevania vibe straight up.
@Clyde_Radcliffe did you play too human. It was hot garbage and they tried to snatch unreal code into their codebase and hide it. Everything about that whole game was self inflicted from the hype and let down to the lawsuit. It's not a shame at all, just shameful of them.
The progression system in this game is epic. I love earning new bikes and trying out paths I couldn't do before. It takes a bit to learn but it doesn't glitch you out or play unfairly.
I like descenders too but it needs to be more like this game in a lot of ways.
Of course nintendo refuses to make what could be one of their best selling RPGs to date out of stubbornness.
It seems that Nintendo look over easy wins. An actual Mario Rpg, an arcade style star fox game, a new version of Mario Kart. A new pilot wings, Wii sports style game to use with the joyconn, Mario Golf... I could keep going
@UmbreonsPapa you're right it's the description for the game on steam, didn't even notice that, well it's fair game I suppose, every site is quoting them on the steam description.
While I still disagree with the term being good in this case it's the developers marketing team pushing the genre description so they're just being pigeonholed by themselves.
I think the biggest difference between something like this and normal genres is it's a genre built out of the name of 2 existing game. We don't call platformers marionics. There is a difference between something being an issue and something just being completely lame too.
@JoeyTS @UmbreonsPapa They told us, it's limited. Plan on them going away forever. Then when they save the day by bringing them back we can curse them again for fooling everyone.
It's kind of dumb, it's not like everyone on earth can't emulate them if they wanted to. You would think (like with the Virtual Console) they want to make legit sales available for anyone who has integrity to buy them.
@Agriculture I bought far cry 4 gold 3 years ago for 20 bucks. Those games fall in price almost as fast as Assassin's Creed. I love far cry just saying...
@UmbreonsPapa I think the term is a little patronizing. It's like calling a game a derivative. Since when has any game company called their own game a metroidvania? It's just gaming press.
Rogue like, straight platformer, rpg elements, weapon collecting, none of that is explained with the name. It's just inferred there is some of one or more of those and a somewhat open map system.
As much as I love the fast and furious roguelikes it's always nice to be able to take your time when you want something more chill. Will be checking this one out for sure.
So you watch some douchey looking guy try to pick up girls online and he uses a wingman...online. could this concept be anymore setup to make everyone involved look dumb.
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Re: Turrican Flashback Blasts Its Way Onto Switch In December
These games were awesome. Turrican 2 on amiga CD is probably my favorite of the bunch.
Re: Control: Ultimate Edition Is Available Now On Switch, But There's A Catch
@JaxonH never underestimate the power of a free trial m rated game where kids don't have to ask for a parents credit card.
Re: Talking Point: Cloud Gaming On Switch – The Pros And Cons Of The Cloud
@JoeyTS people here have a big misconception that not liking something and having an opinion on why it's bad means you don't think others are not allowed to have an opinion too, or enjoy and buy what is available on the marketplace. Reading the comment you are referring to makes it sound like we are protesting outside Nintendo, not sounding off on a message board.
Re: Talking Point: Cloud Gaming On Switch – The Pros And Cons Of The Cloud
@SwitchForce on top of that you have to take into account distance to the cloud server. And jump points in between. You can have a super fast download with a second of overhead lag for the packets and never know it.
There is a reason most online games use predictive rendering now where it estimates the next frame if it doesn't get data points and then makes up the difference later. Can't exactly do that with an entire screen. I agree it's super complicated
Re: Talking Point: Cloud Gaming On Switch – The Pros And Cons Of The Cloud
I just want one system to play when the power goes out. is that too much to ask?
Portable needs to always exist, if I can't get it from Nintendo I'll just buy a GPD WinMax or something.
Re: SNK Apologises For "Offensive Ad" Featuring Fatal Fury's Terry Bogard
To be fair he had instant karma and a chance at an ass whipping himself. This is almost shaming sexism more than showing it off.
Re: Control: Ultimate Edition Is Available Now On Switch, But There's A Catch
@NEStalgia I think it's more about survival for them right now. I hate to see Nintendo sell out to streaming companies in order to keep games going. I lost power overnight due to storms and broke out the 3DS this morning. Nintendo are still my goto for portables and I just hope they don't end up losing their integrity over wanting new third party games.
Maybe I was just in denial before that this could be a reality because I don't like it anymore than you do.
I would hate for it to become that system that's cool when it works, and also has some crappier looking games on it you can play anytime. Rather than, that system that doesn't value graphics over gameplay and values the user's experience over all else.
Re: Random: This Prototype Sega Mega Drive Controller Is Giving Us Serious Wii Nunchuk Vibes
I used to like being able to hold my hand to either side but man it made me a sloppy gamer when I'd do it. Nothing like gripping an object with both hands to make you more focused on the correlation between direction and buttons.
Re: Evidence Of Resident Evil 3: Cloud Version For Nintendo Switch Seemingly Uncovered
I don't buy a switch to be tethered to an internet connection fast enough to keep my game from crapping out. Just get an Xbox one or ps4 if you really want these games.
Control has already started queueing people up like getting into a freaking battlefield server to play a game they bought.
Re: Control: Ultimate Edition Is Available Now On Switch, But There's A Catch
@JaxonH dude about your comment on it being #1. It shows up as free. Don't you think most people are downloading it to see what it is and if there is a demo in there? Cause I doubt sales are even 1 to 100 downloads at this point.
Re: Control: Ultimate Edition Is Available Now On Switch, But There's A Catch
@NEStalgia while I don't disagree with that for certain games I find it hard to believe they will leave full portability behind. It won't always be feasible to stream games so there will still have to be a fair share of games that play natively. I love stuff like gamepass because I use it at home in front of one tv with a hard wired connection but I like having switch to play anywhere in any internet/lack of internet setting. I dont have the stomach for this model either, hopefully it doesn't catch on. I don't know how much mileage Microsoft get out of streaming games to smart phones and tablets but I don't use it.
I feel like we just got close to the finish of this long strange trip to everything becoming digital and stuff like this just reaffirms people's fears that game companies want to take away ownership from the players for good.
I think we will see another nvidia portable streaming device before Nintendo go all in on this.
Re: Control: Ultimate Edition Is Available Now On Switch, But There's A Catch
@NEStalgia paying full price for a game is different than what I said. Dude why do you have such a craw about it. There is no huge streaming library for one price here just a 60 dollar game.
Re: Control: Ultimate Edition Is Available Now On Switch, But There's A Catch
@blockfight oh well you must have a better carrier. Mine tries to limit the specific hotspot data itself. I never really use a hotspot and aren't signed up for a plan but thought that was some crap to do. Do you play stadia on your phone?
Re: Control: Ultimate Edition Is Available Now On Switch, But There's A Catch
@blockfight That's a lot of data. Makes me wish we had portable game systems with native mobile data like back in the vita days if this is where we are going.
Re: Control: Ultimate Edition Is Available Now On Switch, But There's A Catch
@Jester151 For data reasons you mean? Cause my 4G in the city gets like 10MB/s downloads.
Re: Review: Pikmin 3 Deluxe - Perhaps Not Worth A Double Dip, But The Choice Pick For New Players
@pikminlover Did it ever occur to you they gave the original a higher score because it was an actually new game, not just a port? Is that hard to understand or what?
Re: Review: Pikmin 3 Deluxe - Perhaps Not Worth A Double Dip, But The Choice Pick For New Players
I'll just break out the wii u again. Nothing beats the nun-chuck and wiimote control scheme. It was so satisfying after playing it on wii u pro controller and someone online telling me I was playing it wrong. It felt like all the issues were fixed and I was a lot better at it.
Re: Control: Ultimate Edition Is Available Now On Switch, But There's A Catch
It's just a matter of time before we have a cloud only handheld gaming system from Amazon or something...
The big problem here is you tell someone you have control for switch. They're like, let's see it. You break out your device and their wifi is crap so the game just looks like a joke... Or you try to play this on the road and eat up all your hotspot phone data. Anyone know how much bandwidth it actually uses?
Re: Neo Geo Pocket Classic The Last Blade Lands On Switch Tomorrow
Kinda reminds me of that Gameboy battle arena toshinden. This was the era just before gba showed us we could have full fledged fighter ports and not miniaturizations.
Re: Review: Transformers: Battlegrounds - Accessible Turn-Based Action That's For Noobs Only
if you haven't played Transformers Devastation you really should. Unfortunately it was never ported to Switch but I think it could handle it.
Re: Cobra Kai: The Karate Kid Saga Continues Launches On Switch In November In Europe
Looks like a ds game. Game Mill oh Game Mill. When will you stop making crappy licensed games.
Re: Phil Spencer "Not Sure" About Game Pass On Switch, But Says Xbox Could Be Open To Discussions
@NEStalgia I mean you over simplify it then say well it's extremely complicated behind the scenes. It's unprofitable is my theory, you have a different one apparently. But attempting to speak for Microsoft (because they gave gamestop money) or Nintendo (because they allow 2 games to stream in japan) is kind of a stretch. I don't know what went down with negotiations but it was on the table at one point and was taken off. I'm going to say Nintendo aren't so happy go lucky about the deal as you might think. They make a lot of money off those eshop fees and anything to cut into that would be bad for them. They're not going to make 30% of game prices on gamepass. They obviously didn't value it and see it as a positive or they would have worked with them. They must have some kind of a relationship because of all the ports and the fact that they don't see eachother as direct competitors.
Re: Phil Spencer "Not Sure" About Game Pass On Switch, But Says Xbox Could Be Open To Discussions
@NEStalgia do you have gamepass? Cause I do and the outer worlds has been in there for ages. Rentals never lasted months on end and came 10 at a time with 90 still at home. A lot of games will stick around forever so it's like a rental service that lets you keep every microsoft game for free pretty much for the price of a few games a month from the old guys, even in 90s pricing. It's not even an analog to the experience you get from blockbuster or redbox.
Re: It's Been Three Years Since We First Embarked On A Super Mario Odyssey
Super Mario 3D World got me to buy a Wii U and this game got me to buy a Switch (already had BOTW on wiiU). It wasn't the most challenging but I'd been burned out by difficult mario games after trying to complete New Super Luigi U. It's been a lot of years but I probably wont' play through it again just because I've seen it all and I spent so much time grinding my way past 350 moons on my one save.
Re: Phil Spencer "Not Sure" About Game Pass On Switch, But Says Xbox Could Be Open To Discussions
@electrolite77 anyone with gamepass has little to no incentive to buy any of the games on gamepass. Microsoft pay the companies to promote their own brand, so why would Nintendo have a huge ad for microsoft and have the companies involved only get paid for xbox offsets. Microsoft would start having to pay them for their offset in sales on Switch. Then Nintendo wouldn't get any of the publishing credits of games sold on the store so they'd have to pay them too.
It's just very expensive to have to satisfy both the owner of the platform and the publishers of the games at the same time.
Re: Review: The Red Lantern - A Survival-Focused Roguelite In Which Luck Plays Too Big A Part
Something about making a pack of dogs run you around to find food while you all risk starvation just seems caveman to me
Re: Phil Spencer "Not Sure" About Game Pass On Switch, But Says Xbox Could Be Open To Discussions
Nintendo would throw a fit. It basically eliminates the need to buy games
Re: Review: Supraland - A Playful Platformer With Squandered Potential
@Kiwi_Unlimited Plus the existence of God is neither political or social. Not sure if there is something more to the dialog that wasn't mentioned.
Playing through it it does pick some fun at Christianity. Basically there are people with halos above their heads supposedly spreading the word of how the place was created. There is also a trophy called jesus christ suprastar where you "Get Mr. Miracle some groupies". Making fun of religion shouldn't get a game deducted in points no matter what your belief. It's just a fact of reality religion attempts to define the unknown.
Re: Review: Supraland - A Playful Platformer With Squandered Potential
Going to give this one a try on xbox game pass to see for myself.
So far I can confirm the graphics are muddy on xbox as well. Combat is pretty much just flailing around. The world is interesting and there seem to be a variety of things to do at any given time. Just collecting and upgrading so far. I guess I'll have to see if it gets annoying but I'm pleasantly surprised for a 4/10 game.
This is actually a really fun game so unless someone can attest to it bring broken on Switch not sure the reviewer knew how to do 3d platforming. I mean yeah you have to take your time a heck of a lot more than 2d platforming.
Re: Random: Mario Kart Music Apparently Helps With Your Homework
Last 5 minutes of a test play the speedup Mario brothers music. It doesn't help scores but it makes for a dramatic finish.
Re: Mini Review: Vigil: The Longest Night - A Grim And Foreboding Metroidvania
Would a new Castlevania game in the style of the gba/ds games get described as a Metroidvania? Cause this looks like it's just going for a Castlevania vibe straight up.
Re: My Time At Portia Sequel Confirmed For Nintendo Switch, Coming 2022
It's a good way to test the waters. Maybe they have no idea if there is any demand for it.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl: Duel #65 - Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
@Clyde_Radcliffe did you play too human. It was hot garbage and they tried to snatch unreal code into their codebase and hide it. Everything about that whole game was self inflicted from the hype and let down to the lawsuit. It's not a shame at all, just shameful of them.
Re: Review: G.I. Joe: Operation Blackout - Bland, Forgettable Saturday Morning Fare
GameMill are the new LJN. Just be warned.
Re: Review: Pumpkin Jack - The Perfect Platforming Treat For The Spooky Season
Congratulations to the sole developer, Nicolas Meyssonnier, for being so ambitious and successful. It's rare to see someone go at a 3D game alone.
Re: "Nintendo Isn't That Smart": Pachter Says Nintendo Should Scrap Switch And 'Only Have Switch Lite'
@KillerBOB Is anyone arguing for him? I just saw a crap on him fest.
Re: Transformers: Battlegrounds Is Out Today On Switch, Here's The Launch Trailer
Compare this to the Transformers Devastation which was made years ago and what the hell. This is an insult.
Re: Lonely Mountains: Downhill DLC Adds The Game's Biggest Mountain Yet And New Challenges
The progression system in this game is epic. I love earning new bikes and trying out paths I couldn't do before. It takes a bit to learn but it doesn't glitch you out or play unfairly.
I like descenders too but it needs to be more like this game in a lot of ways.
Re: "Nintendo Isn't That Smart": Pachter Says Nintendo Should Scrap Switch And 'Only Have Switch Lite'
@KillerBOB So everyone but you on here is an idiot. Cool man, thanks for the great input.
Re: Random: Here's How Microsoft's Phil Spencer Reacted To Minecraft Steve's Smash Bros. Meat
It's bad news when the man in charge of everything asks who did that. He will find out and someone won't have a good day.
Re: Random: Thanks Fire Emblem, Mother 3 Is Now Trending On Social Media (Again)
Of course nintendo refuses to make what could be one of their best selling RPGs to date out of stubbornness.
It seems that Nintendo look over easy wins. An actual Mario Rpg, an arcade style star fox game, a new version of Mario Kart. A new pilot wings, Wii sports style game to use with the joyconn, Mario Golf... I could keep going
Re: 2D Metroidvania DeathStick Brings Dimension-Shifting Platforming To Switch
@UmbreonsPapa you're right it's the description for the game on steam, didn't even notice that, well it's fair game I suppose, every site is quoting them on the steam description.
While I still disagree with the term being good in this case it's the developers marketing team pushing the genre description so they're just being pigeonholed by themselves.
I think the biggest difference between something like this and normal genres is it's a genre built out of the name of 2 existing game. We don't call platformers marionics. There is a difference between something being an issue and something just being completely lame too.
Re: The Original Fire Emblem Is Coming To The West For The First Time Ever On Switch
@JoeyTS @UmbreonsPapa They told us, it's limited. Plan on them going away forever. Then when they save the day by bringing them back we can curse them again for fooling everyone.
It's kind of dumb, it's not like everyone on earth can't emulate them if they wanted to. You would think (like with the Virtual Console) they want to make legit sales available for anyone who has integrity to buy them.
Re: Poll: Rate Your Favourite Wii Games
Learning with the PooYoos - Episode 2
Episode 1 can suck it.
Re: Nintendo Discounts Three Major Mario Games On Switch For A Limited Time (Europe)
@Agriculture I bought far cry 4 gold 3 years ago for 20 bucks. Those games fall in price almost as fast as Assassin's Creed. I love far cry just saying...
Re: 2D Metroidvania DeathStick Brings Dimension-Shifting Platforming To Switch
@UmbreonsPapa I think the term is a little patronizing. It's like calling a game a derivative. Since when has any game company called their own game a metroidvania? It's just gaming press.
Rogue like, straight platformer, rpg elements, weapon collecting, none of that is explained with the name. It's just inferred there is some of one or more of those and a somewhat open map system.
Re: 2D Metroidvania DeathStick Brings Dimension-Shifting Platforming To Switch
You guys gotta stop using the term metroidvania. It's not really fair for all these games to get pigeon holed as that just for having expansive maps.
Re: Early Build Of Pokémon Sword Allegedly Leaked Online
Cool so we can see a game with more bugs and less content. I doubt they did anything interesting between then and launch.
Re: Review: Crown Trick - A Refreshingly Slow-Paced, Turn-Based Roguelite Adventure
As much as I love the fast and furious roguelikes it's always nice to be able to take your time when you want something more chill. Will be checking this one out for sure.
Re: Five Dates Has You Playing As A Millenial Trying To Find Love In Lockdown
So you watch some douchey looking guy try to pick up girls online and he uses a wingman...online. could this concept be anymore setup to make everyone involved look dumb.