@nessisonett There's not really an argument to be had now that we understand very well how organisms change over time, though.
"some sort of mutation led to the distinction therefore typically it would have materialised pre-birth"
You're still thinking of a chicken as a discrete genetic state that is different from that of its parents, which were somehow not chickens. But this isn't the case: no organism that has ever been born was a different species from its immediate ancestor. In other words, no chicken ever hatched from an egg laid by a non-chicken.
"Personally, I don’t buy a pre-chicken changing enough throughout its lifetime to warrant the distinction and then start laying chicken eggs."
You shouldn't because it didn't lol
This is why the question is nonsensical. Neither the chicken nor the egg came first. They developed around each other.
EDIT: I feel like I had to say, I'm glad you enjoyed the debate. It's nice to talk about things without fighting about them.
@Franz Just to save you from having to type out another paragraph, I have a Master's in evolutionary biology
Proto-chickens existed, sure, but no proto-chicken ever laid a chicken egg. It's not like there were proto-chickens for 100K years and all of a sudden they started laying modern chicken eggs. The change happened so gradually that, if we had fossils for say every 100 years of development from proto-chickens to modern chickens, we would not be able to tell where the former ended and the latter began. The same problem affects looking at human evolution: we have crap tons of fossils of pre-humans, but experts disagree on where "pre-human" ends and "human" begins. That's the problem with trying to assign fixed names to fluid concepts.
@Franz I guess my point in its simplest form is that there was never an organism that anyone on earth would call "not a chicken" that laid an egg that anyone on earth would call a "chicken" egg. The transition would be too gradual for anyone to make that call.
@Franz Well, in so far as there were eggs in general (dinosaurs and insects, etc) before there were chickens.
If the question is chickens vs. chicken eggs specifically, then the question doesn't have a scientific answer. There was never a single "non-chicken" that delivered a "chicken" egg, because evolution affects population-level genetics, not individual-level. And the point at which a population of "non-chickens" became a population of "chickens" is essentially arbitrary because species are in constant flux and do not occupy discrete fixed states as our short lifetimes may make it seem.
@Slowdive I literally ran down to the comments to say the same thing lol. "Don't freak out, they probably have five 'Lead Producers' currently working on it already"
@Tao They're both incorrect because the question is nonsensical. There never was a "non-chicken" that laid a chicken egg. Species change way too gradually to call anything that gave birth to a chicken "not a chicken."
To be pedantic of course, eggs were around long before chickens were, but I don't think that's what the question means
@BlueOcean I think they're both core Nintendo games by any definition, as much as Zelda NES or Mario 64 were. Is Metroid Nintendo's ONLY "hardcore" franchise in your opinion?
@BlueOcean So you consider BotW and Odyssey to be casual games, and yet something like the original Metroid Prime to be a "hardcore" game? Why? It's not more difficult. All I can think of is that it's less colorful, lol
@Agriculture Kinda confused. You seem to be implying that it's better for Metroid to use dual stick controls that (I guess) the motion controls used on the Wii... But then you also said it didn't work out well for Nintendo when they focused on niche audiences. The Wii/DS era was Nintendo's most successful in their history, and the casual market they were angling towards definitely wasn't "niche," it was gigantic... also motion aiming with the Wii remote was objectively superior to using an analog stick, which is why NOBODY uses the analog stick to aim in Splatoon when motion is an option.
It's like every little part of your comment spawned a little mystery to solve. Truly an odd, yet wonderful thing to behold.
Ludo takes a ridiculously long time, and yet somehow I've literally never seen anyone drop out. I've probably spent most of my time on Yacht Dice lol. Pretty simple and chance based, but what can I say, I love filling in boxes...
@InAnotherCastle I think SM64DS is actually one of the best ports of any game, ever. Not only is it a pretty cool demonstration of the hardware, but it has 25% more stars, three more characters and several new levels compared to the original. Not to mention my siblings and I spent soooo much time on the minigames!
@Kalmaro Eh, not exclusively. Sometimes huge words are fun just to travel through and gawk at, a la Wind Waker / BotW.
Also there's never been an open world game where every single bit of the world is stuffed with gameplay. Skyrim, Fallout, Witcher, GTA, and Assassin's Creed all have huge swaths of beautiful nothing you have to walk through first to get to a challenge.
@tourjeff Switch is an outdated device? Is there another handheld in its price range than can run nearly the same caliber games?
Also, I wouldn't compare Zelda and Metroid development cycles. Very different games with very different workloads. Plus Zelda was pushed back to line up with the Switch's launch; there's every possibility it could have released sooner.
@Indielink I'm not entirely sure, but I'm fairly confident there have been Switch games that use 3D models. I mean don't get me wrong, maybe I'm just going crazy and everything up until now on the Switch has been sprite-based but
@kobashi100 If the Xbox One suffered frame drops playing a 2.5D platformer, it is absolutely the developer's fault and you don't have to be in "Nintendo defence mode" to point it out.
@Friendly Maybe it's just me, but I didn't think Ori 2 was THAT much better looking than the first game. If the first game runs on Switch, they should be able to scale the sequel down to the level of the first game, particle effects and all.
@Indielink Well it's not like the Switch can't handle ANY effects. Just tune the game down a bit so it looks like the first game on Switch. Nobody'd be complaining about that, Ori 1 looks great on Switch.
@Friendly So bring down the particles? It's not like the particle effects are absolutely necessary for the game to run. Unless the engine really is that crap
@meeto_1 Once upon a time, say in the GameCube era, I think we would have been ecstatic to have a game like Sword / Shield on a home console. Problem is, we're almost two decades past the time where they would have been even slightly impressive. Are they functional? Sure, everything (mostly) works. But nothing about the games indicate the dev team had any real passion for making a modern, ambitious product.
The thing that put me off Deemo immediately is that a lot of the music is extremely low bitrate (like 96kbps mp3) and clips frequently. It just feels so amateurish to me. What happened to games like Elite Beat Agents and Hatsune Miku: Project Mirai that put in so much damn effort?
@ItsOKToBeOK The proper thing for a massive, established company like GameStop to do would be to send all employees home WITH PAY for the duration of the quarantine. If they can't afford that after being around for so long, they have no right to be in business.
Nobody should be grateful for their employer holding their health hostage.
@PanurgeJr Yes, $2000 PCs are more capable than consoles. However, your statement that the next-gen systems were already outclassed by average PCs from two years ago is false, and that's all I was getting at
@PanurgeJr Well, you're just flat out wrong about the PC comparison. The Xbox Series X's 12 TFLOP GPU isn't even matched by the RTX 2080 Super, which is a $700 high-end GPU today.
@james161723 If a Direct was scheduled to stream next week, then it'd already be done, dusted and ready to go by now. If the Smash Bros. Direct(s) are any indication, these things are put together MONTHS in advance.
@Kalmaro Not to start something, but that trend only works if you restrict your view to the US. There are plenty of places around the world with stricter gun control than the US that have next to no gun violence. Obviously can't say it's a causality for sure, the people in other countries could just be more content / sane, but it's just not true that more guns = less shootings.
People who don't want to play Plague Inc. right now aren't being forced to. No reason to ban anything.
Also, the government didn't ban any songs from playing after 9/11. It was Clear Channel (iHeartRadio) that made the decision to stop playing certain songs on their radio stations.
All technology companies use cheap Chinese labor to keep costs down. It's why the Switch is $300, and not $2000. Why a midrange gaming PC is $1000 and not $8000. I don't see a swift solution to this because so much of our economy is tied up in this kind of exploitative manufacturing.
Where's the hokey charm?! Where are the KITTIES? If the movie is as straight-faced as it looks, it's gonna be instantly forgettable, just like Warcraft.
@Dayton311 If Atlus really cared in that specific scenario, they could sue the platform hosting the video and / or the streamer for infringement of copyright. Then it would be up to a jury to decide whether or not "streaming" constitutes enough of a transformation of the original material that it is not covered by copyright. However, I don't think it is--I think Atlus would win that lawsuit. That my friend is why YouTube always sides with the copyright holder over the content creator, to cover their ass in American courts.
It's not relevant if the streamer is breaking copyright for commercial purposes or not, that's just a common misconception (at least in NA).
@YagaMaki I'm not normally a graphics snob but yeah I agree in this case. Doom profits minimally from being a handheld game IMO, and the action is just so much more visceral the more graphical sheen you layer on top. And of course, the frame rate lol
@StevenG Even if it was only $1 extra to add 500GB of storage, Nintendo would have lost millions. And it'd be way more than $1 per unit.
You say Nintendo focuses on cheap, but from where I'm standing, they have the best value on the market when it comes to hybrid platforms. Sony and Microsoft aren't even trying in the arena, and competitors like Alienware's UFO will likely be way more expensive relative to performance. You can't say Nintendo is being cheap for not cramming everything found on modern home consoles into a portable device; the rules, restrictions and costs are different.
@TriggerAD It is very similar to Stardew Valley, but the main difference is it has a much bigger emphasis on RPG elements like dungeons and exploration. In Stardew Valley the split is probably 20 / 80 in terms of RPG to Life Sim, in Rune Factory it's much closer to 50 /50.
That said if you liked SV, you'll fit right in here.
@eRaz0r 500GB of solid state memory would easily jack up the price by $50-$100 or more though. The only reason PS4 and Xbox have that kind of storage for cheap is because they use hard drives, which are about half the size of the switch, have moving parts and require lots of power. Not exactly ideal for a portable system.
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Re: Team Chicken Rules The Roost In Splatoon 2's Splatfest
@nessisonett There's not really an argument to be had now that we understand very well how organisms change over time, though.
"some sort of mutation led to the distinction therefore typically it would have materialised pre-birth"
You're still thinking of a chicken as a discrete genetic state that is different from that of its parents, which were somehow not chickens. But this isn't the case: no organism that has ever been born was a different species from its immediate ancestor. In other words, no chicken ever hatched from an egg laid by a non-chicken.
"Personally, I don’t buy a pre-chicken changing enough throughout its lifetime to warrant the distinction and then start laying chicken eggs."
You shouldn't because it didn't lol
This is why the question is nonsensical. Neither the chicken nor the egg came first. They developed around each other.
EDIT: I feel like I had to say, I'm glad you enjoyed the debate. It's nice to talk about things without fighting about them.
Re: Random: Astronomical Discovery In Super Mario Galaxy's Logo
@Jakiboy It seems to me more of an homage than laziness. It's among the most famous photos of a galaxy in existence after all.
Re: The Splatoon 2 Chicken VS. Egg Splatfest Is Officially Underway
@Franz Just to save you from having to type out another paragraph, I have a Master's in evolutionary biology
Proto-chickens existed, sure, but no proto-chicken ever laid a chicken egg. It's not like there were proto-chickens for 100K years and all of a sudden they started laying modern chicken eggs. The change happened so gradually that, if we had fossils for say every 100 years of development from proto-chickens to modern chickens, we would not be able to tell where the former ended and the latter began. The same problem affects looking at human evolution: we have crap tons of fossils of pre-humans, but experts disagree on where "pre-human" ends and "human" begins. That's the problem with trying to assign fixed names to fluid concepts.
Re: The Splatoon 2 Chicken VS. Egg Splatfest Is Officially Underway
@Franz I guess my point in its simplest form is that there was never an organism that anyone on earth would call "not a chicken" that laid an egg that anyone on earth would call a "chicken" egg. The transition would be too gradual for anyone to make that call.
Re: The Splatoon 2 Chicken VS. Egg Splatfest Is Officially Underway
@Franz Well, in so far as there were eggs in general (dinosaurs and insects, etc) before there were chickens.
If the question is chickens vs. chicken eggs specifically, then the question doesn't have a scientific answer. There was never a single "non-chicken" that delivered a "chicken" egg, because evolution affects population-level genetics, not individual-level. And the point at which a population of "non-chickens" became a population of "chickens" is essentially arbitrary because species are in constant flux and do not occupy discrete fixed states as our short lifetimes may make it seem.
Re: Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles Remastered Edition Multiplayer Is Region-Locked
When the headline said "paid subscription," I thought it meant an additional fee on top of Nintendo Switch Online, MMO style.
Obviously it requires NSO, lol
Re: Switch Exclusive Sports Story Has Been Delayed
@BabyYoshi12 For sure, if you like cute sports RPGs lol. There's not really much bad to say about it
Re: Switch Exclusive Sports Story Has Been Delayed
That's cool. We know it'll be worth it lol.
@BabyYoshi12 Golf Story is great. It's more of an RPG, the golf mechanics are very stylized.
Re: Retro Studios Reminds Us It's In Need Of A Lead Producer For Metroid Prime 4
@Moistnado I will be very surprised if Nintendo's next console isn't also a hybrid
Re: Retro Studios Reminds Us It's In Need Of A Lead Producer For Metroid Prime 4
@Slowdive I literally ran down to the comments to say the same thing lol. "Don't freak out, they probably have five 'Lead Producers' currently working on it already"
Re: Feature: Animal Crossing Character Names Around The World - A Few Of Our Favourite Variants
Isabelle's English name is the best imo. I love the pun.
Re: Splatoon 2's Getting Another Bonus Splatfest Next Month, And More Are On The Way
@Tao They're both incorrect because the question is nonsensical. There never was a "non-chicken" that laid a chicken egg. Species change way too gradually to call anything that gave birth to a chicken "not a chicken."
To be pedantic of course, eggs were around long before chickens were, but I don't think that's what the question means
Re: Series Producer Suggests Metroid Prime 4 'Won't Ignore Casual Players'
@BlueOcean I think they're both core Nintendo games by any definition, as much as Zelda NES or Mario 64 were. Is Metroid Nintendo's ONLY "hardcore" franchise in your opinion?
Re: Series Producer Suggests Metroid Prime 4 'Won't Ignore Casual Players'
@BlueOcean So you consider BotW and Odyssey to be casual games, and yet something like the original Metroid Prime to be a "hardcore" game? Why? It's not more difficult. All I can think of is that it's less colorful, lol
Re: Series Producer Suggests Metroid Prime 4 'Won't Ignore Casual Players'
@Agriculture Kinda confused. You seem to be implying that it's better for Metroid to use dual stick controls that (I guess) the motion controls used on the Wii... But then you also said it didn't work out well for Nintendo when they focused on niche audiences. The Wii/DS era was Nintendo's most successful in their history, and the casual market they were angling towards definitely wasn't "niche," it was gigantic... also motion aiming with the Wii remote was objectively superior to using an analog stick, which is why NOBODY uses the analog stick to aim in Splatoon when motion is an option.
It's like every little part of your comment spawned a little mystery to solve. Truly an odd, yet wonderful thing to behold.
Re: Nintendo Reveals The Most Popular Games In Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics
Ludo takes a ridiculously long time, and yet somehow I've literally never seen anyone drop out. I've probably spent most of my time on Yacht Dice lol. Pretty simple and chance based, but what can I say, I love filling in boxes...
Re: The Super Mario 64 PC Port Just Got A 60fps Patch
@InAnotherCastle I think SM64DS is actually one of the best ports of any game, ever. Not only is it a pretty cool demonstration of the hardware, but it has 25% more stars, three more characters and several new levels compared to the original. Not to mention my siblings and I spent soooo much time on the minigames!
Re: Paper Mario: The Origami King Features A Seamless Open World And "Huge Maps"
@Kalmaro Eh, not exclusively. Sometimes huge words are fun just to travel through and gawk at, a la Wind Waker / BotW.
Also there's never been an open world game where every single bit of the world is stuffed with gameplay. Skyrim, Fallout, Witcher, GTA, and Assassin's Creed all have huge swaths of beautiful nothing you have to walk through first to get to a challenge.
But I love beautiful nothing.
Re: Metroid Prime 4 Dev Retro Studios Continues Exciting Hire Spree With Call Of Duty: Black Ops Veteran
@tourjeff Switch is an outdated device? Is there another handheld in its price range than can run nearly the same caliber games?
Also, I wouldn't compare Zelda and Metroid development cycles. Very different games with very different workloads. Plus Zelda was pushed back to line up with the Switch's launch; there's every possibility it could have released sooner.
Re: Ori Dev Thinks It Would Be "Extremely Difficult" To Get The Sequel Running At 60fps On Switch
@Indielink I'm not entirely sure, but I'm fairly confident there have been Switch games that use 3D models. I mean don't get me wrong, maybe I'm just going crazy and everything up until now on the Switch has been sprite-based but
Re: Ori Dev Thinks It Would Be "Extremely Difficult" To Get The Sequel Running At 60fps On Switch
@kobashi100 If the Xbox One suffered frame drops playing a 2.5D platformer, it is absolutely the developer's fault and you don't have to be in "Nintendo defence mode" to point it out.
Re: Ori Dev Thinks It Would Be "Extremely Difficult" To Get The Sequel Running At 60fps On Switch
@Friendly Maybe it's just me, but I didn't think Ori 2 was THAT much better looking than the first game. If the first game runs on Switch, they should be able to scale the sequel down to the level of the first game, particle effects and all.
Re: Ori Dev Thinks It Would Be "Extremely Difficult" To Get The Sequel Running At 60fps On Switch
@Indielink Well it's not like the Switch can't handle ANY effects. Just tune the game down a bit so it looks like the first game on Switch. Nobody'd be complaining about that, Ori 1 looks great on Switch.
Re: Ori Dev Thinks It Would Be "Extremely Difficult" To Get The Sequel Running At 60fps On Switch
@Friendly So bring down the particles? It's not like the particle effects are absolutely necessary for the game to run. Unless the engine really is that crap
Re: Random: Animal Crossing Player Expertly Recreates Parks And Recreation Scene
@conditionals Exactly what I was thinking lol. Isabelle for city council!
Re: Video: Missed The Wholesome Games Direct? Watch The Whole Thing Here
@Tsusasi It wasn't made by Nintendo, lol
Re: Video: See Animal Crossing: New Horizons' Main Theme Performed By The Original Musicians
@mesome713 Based on recent advancements in sample technology I give it a decade, max, until you can't hear any difference at all.
Re: Video: See Animal Crossing: New Horizons' Main Theme Performed By The Original Musicians
@mesome713 As a one man digital orchestrator, it's a little disheartening to hear there are people who think of us like that >:
Re: Animal Crossing: New Horizons Player Builds LEGO Tool That Plays The Game For Them
@Kimyonaakuma While we're at it, why drive 15 miles to work each day when we've got two perfectly good feet?
Re: Random: Lord Of The Rings Actor Elijah Wood Visits Animal Crossing Player's Island To Sell His Turnips
Holy hell that's adorable.
Also if you haven't seen it yet search up Conan's video he did playing FFXV with Elijah, thank me later
Re: Japanese Charts: Animal Crossing: New Horizons Overtakes Pokémon Sword And Shield's Lifetime Sales
@meeto_1 Once upon a time, say in the GameCube era, I think we would have been ecstatic to have a game like Sword / Shield on a home console. Problem is, we're almost two decades past the time where they would have been even slightly impressive. Are they functional? Sure, everything (mostly) works. But nothing about the games indicate the dev team had any real passion for making a modern, ambitious product.
Re: Feature: The Best Nintendo Switch Music And Rhythm Games
The thing that put me off Deemo immediately is that a lot of the music is extremely low bitrate (like 96kbps mp3) and clips frequently. It just feels so amateurish to me. What happened to games like Elite Beat Agents and Hatsune Miku: Project Mirai that put in so much damn effort?
Re: GameStop To Stay Open During COVID-19 Outbreak Because It Is 'Essential Retail'
@ItsOKToBeOK The proper thing for a massive, established company like GameStop to do would be to send all employees home WITH PAY for the duration of the quarantine. If they can't afford that after being around for so long, they have no right to be in business.
Nobody should be grateful for their employer holding their health hostage.
Re: Talking Point: Jargon-Heavy Xbox Series X And PS5 Reveals Vindicate Nintendo's Approach
@PanurgeJr Yes, $2000 PCs are more capable than consoles. However, your statement that the next-gen systems were already outclassed by average PCs from two years ago is false, and that's all I was getting at
Re: Talking Point: Jargon-Heavy Xbox Series X And PS5 Reveals Vindicate Nintendo's Approach
@PanurgeJr Well, you're just flat out wrong about the PC comparison. The Xbox Series X's 12 TFLOP GPU isn't even matched by the RTX 2080 Super, which is a $700 high-end GPU today.
Re: Talking Point: Jargon-Heavy Xbox Series X And PS5 Reveals Vindicate Nintendo's Approach
@LUIGITORNADO Power matters, but it doesn't matter MOST.
Re: Random: Sorry, The Froggy Chair Doesn’t Seem To Be In Animal Crossing: New Horizons
@Jaxad0127 That's... odd. Possibly an oversight even.
Re: Mini Review: Half Past Fate - A Great-Looking Rom-Com Adventure Brimming With Personality
That first paragraph prolly alienated like 85% of this site's audience tbh
Re: Nintendo Joins Microsoft And Bungie With 'Work From Home' Policy In Face Of Coronavirus
@james161723 If a Direct was scheduled to stream next week, then it'd already be done, dusted and ready to go by now. If the Smash Bros. Direct(s) are any indication, these things are put together MONTHS in advance.
Re: No Link Between Violent Video Games And Violent Behaviour, Says American Psychological Association
@UmbralChaos To be fair, the grocery selection in most Walmart Supercenters is bigger than most other supermarkets lol
Re: No Link Between Violent Video Games And Violent Behaviour, Says American Psychological Association
@Kalmaro Not to start something, but that trend only works if you restrict your view to the US. There are plenty of places around the world with stricter gun control than the US that have next to no gun violence. Obviously can't say it's a causality for sure, the people in other countries could just be more content / sane, but it's just not true that more guns = less shootings.
Re: Review: Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team DX - Fun, But Only In Short Doses
@PikaPhantom Dang, you're right--they even gave Super a 6/10, and I thought that was one of the better ones
Re: Plague Inc Banned In China As Coronavirus Outbreak Spreads, Switch Version Unaffected
@MrGawain Screw censorship, of any kind, ever.
People who don't want to play Plague Inc. right now aren't being forced to. No reason to ban anything.
Also, the government didn't ban any songs from playing after 9/11. It was Clear Channel (iHeartRadio) that made the decision to stop playing certain songs on their radio stations.
Re: Nintendo Named And Shamed As Benefiting From The Use Of Chinese Forced Labour Camps
All technology companies use cheap Chinese labor to keep costs down. It's why the Switch is $300, and not $2000. Why a midrange gaming PC is $1000 and not $8000. I don't see a swift solution to this because so much of our economy is tied up in this kind of exploitative manufacturing.
Re: Here Are Two Teaser Posters For The Upcoming Monster Hunter Movie
Where's the hokey charm?! Where are the KITTIES? If the movie is as straight-faced as it looks, it's gonna be instantly forgettable, just like Warcraft.
Re: Atlus Reveals Video Recording Guidelines For Persona 5 Scramble: The Phantom Strikers
@Dayton311 If Atlus really cared in that specific scenario, they could sue the platform hosting the video and / or the streamer for infringement of copyright. Then it would be up to a jury to decide whether or not "streaming" constitutes enough of a transformation of the original material that it is not covered by copyright. However, I don't think it is--I think Atlus would win that lawsuit. That my friend is why YouTube always sides with the copyright holder over the content creator, to cover their ass in American courts.
It's not relevant if the streamer is breaking copyright for commercial purposes or not, that's just a common misconception (at least in NA).
Re: DOOM Eternal's Creative Director Discusses Launching On The Same Day As Animal Crossing
@YagaMaki I'm not normally a graphics snob but yeah I agree in this case. Doom profits minimally from being a handheld game IMO, and the action is just so much more visceral the more graphical sheen you layer on top. And of course, the frame rate lol
Re: Rumoured Switch Pro Might Not Actually Use Nvidia's Tegra X1+ Chip
@StevenG Even if it was only $1 extra to add 500GB of storage, Nintendo would have lost millions. And it'd be way more than $1 per unit.
You say Nintendo focuses on cheap, but from where I'm standing, they have the best value on the market when it comes to hybrid platforms. Sony and Microsoft aren't even trying in the arena, and competitors like Alienware's UFO will likely be way more expensive relative to performance. You can't say Nintendo is being cheap for not cramming everything found on modern home consoles into a portable device; the rules, restrictions and costs are different.
Re: Rune Factory 4 Special Will Launch Physically And Digitally On Switch This February
@TriggerAD It is very similar to Stardew Valley, but the main difference is it has a much bigger emphasis on RPG elements like dungeons and exploration. In Stardew Valley the split is probably 20 / 80 in terms of RPG to Life Sim, in Rune Factory it's much closer to 50 /50.
That said if you liked SV, you'll fit right in here.
Re: Rumoured Switch Pro Might Not Actually Use Nvidia's Tegra X1+ Chip
@eRaz0r 500GB of solid state memory would easily jack up the price by $50-$100 or more though. The only reason PS4 and Xbox have that kind of storage for cheap is because they use hard drives, which are about half the size of the switch, have moving parts and require lots of power. Not exactly ideal for a portable system.