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I don't think it's accurate to say no online when it is getting home.

Either way the fact I will be able to move these Pokemon to home is worth it for me. Especially since I can actually get the event Pokemon without hacking.

This will be my first legal deoxys, so I'm happy.

It was as good as you could expect a 15 minute indie showcase to be.

Some decent looking indie titles for those that like those genera. Nothing terribly noteworthy ... But it's indie, not every indie game is going to shake the industry.

I'm surprised that train game is coming to switch. I might get that.

A couple other undies are a maybe.

Capcom. Give me a megaman game from outside the og era. Like x, legends, battle network, or ZX and my money is yours.

With only 15 minutes its probably mostly just updates of prior announcements. Maybe an indie or two not formally announced for switch yet or something.

It's possible there will be a surprise but I'm not expecting anything major at this time.

@Cakefish apparently it's closer to dragon quest builder. But if you never played that then animal crossing+ Minecraft is probably a close enough comparison.

@Elmotus those games are still recent enough the Pokemon data as a whole is still the same or similar enough. The older game simply need ignore any ribons it doesn't have.

But there are times where porting Pokemon too or from games loses information. Home warns you of this when it comes up, generally it's just minor stuff like moves they won't know in a game and thus they'll forget it during the transfer.

But for a game as old as FRLG the difference is far greater. Possibly too the point too much is lost.

Now I guess they could just let Pokemon transfered from FRLG be transferred back in. But either this also has a technical issue or it just didn't seem worth updating home to track that. Or something similar.

Either way most comments seem to be regarding wanting to transfer non FRLG Pokemon into it to complete the national Dex. So that wouldn't satisfy them anyway.

@shoeses the reason trade isn't two way is modern Pokemon has alot of stat and ability changes compared to FRLG and the OG games likely don't even have the ability to keep track of that newer data.

It's possible to update the older data and fill in the gaps with default data when transferring into home. They've done this with other games that lack certain things like abilities.

But if you say ... Tried to take in a Pokemon with a hidden ability into FR and then trade it out. Then it would probably have its default ability instead.

The only way to avoid this would be to make FRLG able to track and store all data on newer Pokemon. But this would require either remaking the game to modernize the Pokemon data completely or it would need to track two entirely different kinds of files without making mistakes.

Neither option is impossible, but would require a fair amount of work.

Considering this is just meant to be a celebration of the series this probably wasn't given the time or budget of a full game, it's just a side project. So that would fall outside the scope.

@shoeses the event tickets are just items. You don't have to revise the game to add them. And the games already had trade function. So they just needed a translation layer on the base game.

Since they weren't made originally with language options in mind the code base is not set up to swap out text with a toggle and adding that isn't as simple as you make it seem.

No they can't just put the language in and make it work. The game needs to be set up so all the text in the game isn't baked into the code but instead pulled from th language file or something to that effect (there are probably other ways to do it). That would require a lot more work if not already set up with that in mind.

Once again grass is dead last in the polls. It's getting a respectable amount of votes though so it has its fans.

@AstroTheGamosian Action Replay will only freeze or corrupt your game if you go against the program.

If you wanted an event Pokemon then use one to specifically give yourself the event item and trigger the game to do the rest.

In used one a lot back in the day and never had any major issues

Also I've heard rumors even Pokemon trigger will be in the game but I haven't seen hard proof.

@DennisReynolds I expected that. I mean they wouldn't have been able to allow beyond gen 3 and I'd they didn't want to lose information they'd need to make FireRed/leaf green at least retain stat information from later gens.

Honestly it would have been a big mess so I didn't expect full trade.

The original games could only trade with gen 3 games because they were made during gen 3 and didn't really have any extra information.

That's not the case now.

@AlonditeFE yeah. The fact it's not coming out this year is a pretty good sign.

I'm sure they had planned to release this for this year.

It's pretty much the crown jewel of the announcements they made today. But it's an announcement for a game not even releasing this year?

Plus when did they last announce a Pokemon game this far in advance? I mean officially?

They definitely pushed plans back and while that doesn't mean it won't have ANY flaws, it means they didn't force it out early to meet the anniversary.

Well I'm definitely getting it now.

Fire red is a great source for some gen 1 and 2 pokemon and we MIGHT even get the event Pokemon like deoxys.

The question about home support made me uncertain so glad it got cleared up

Also I know some won't give up anyway. But this kills any reason to think this should have been an NSO release. There is no chance of a game on NSO linking with Pokemon home. So that feature alone makes that out of the question.

@DashKappei the thing is they weren't wrong. Still saw comments going "Good but not next gen" and other nonsense because they'll complain no matter what.

@AlonditeFE actually that disclaimer is probably mostly due to camera angles.

You see it a lot where even if it's in engine if they manipulated the camera to get cinematic trailer shots they say it doesn't represent in game footage. Because TECHNICALLY SPEAKING you can't get those exact cinematic shots in game.

But it looked pretty much in engine. We've seen fully animated trailers and they generally have a different look to them.

@Kiz3000 time strangers only has 450 models and that includes color variants and duplicates with minor variations and Digimon with fairly simple designs.

The game is also not as open as recent Pokemon games.

Time strangers is quite good but doesn't change my point. It's not even like the models are bad. It's just with well over 1000 completely unique models you should appreciate more how much work goes into all of them.

Obviously it could always be better but that takes even more time and money and there is a point you need to ask if it's worth it or if that time and money would be better used elsewhere.

@Kiz3000 keep in mind we have over 1000 Pokemon. We can only expect so much from each model.

I understand the desire for perfection. But remember other RPGs only deal with dozens of actual models with color and small detail variants to bulk up enemy variety.

@Hwatt probably won't be grass owl since not only have we already done that but grass owl got a regional variant.

@N8tiveT3ch man that's harsh. Gen 3 and 4 starters were up there. Certainly not every gen was full of winners but honestly I like gen 3 and 4 over gen 2 starters.

@Ashina yeah. It's definitely odd it's not released on anniversary year. I can almost guarantee that the game got delayed internally. We just never heard the earlier projected release date.

Which is good they are finally delaying Pokemon projects internally as needed. Otherwise we'd have gotten a buggy version this year with a year of patches until it's in a good state.

@LuigiDude96 the water in particular looked gorgeous. And if the game engine can handle good water it should be pretty high level.

Interesting the disgaea universe is getting spin offs.

For anyone not familiar the setting is basically you have "Earth" but you have multiple earth's and each earth has a corresponding demon netherworld.

Each netherworld is treated like its own planet and each of the 7 games in the series so far take place in a different netherworld. But you can also travel between netherworlds easily.

So you can easily make a spin off that uses the setting without it ever interacting with any other game in the series. Continuity isn't an issue as games only reference each other when they want to.

@SirLink Yeah. Considering the average price of games and the number of people who spend hundreds of dollars on skins ... $20 is nothing.

Sure it has no QOL improvements, but if it did then it probably would have been more money.

The average person understands this and will get it if they want to replay the og game.

Hell I don't know if I even want them to make any real changes. Aside from maybe putting the event Pokemon in what else needs adding that wouldn't require remaking the entire game?

@kmtrain83 that has been true for literally everything. It's really not worth mentioning here as if it's a unique case.

If fact if we actually accounted for inflation then this is like selling the games for $10 or less back when it was actually released.

So home support is confirmed after all? Well that's good and if it's not a mistake that alone gives all the reason to not put it on NSO.

I'll be honest... Leaking has gotten out of control.

It used to be just a few snippets and some blurry images that might be fake.

Now it's the title, box art, story, ending, surprises, and more ... All a month or more before release.

And they're shared so aggressively it's near impossible to avoid.

I shouldn't have to filter my settings to avoid game defining spoilers.

@justin233 I wouldn't be any more productive with or without this game.

Seriously it's just a casual port for those that want it. Yes it's nostalgia ... That's kind of the point!!!!

Wtf do you think an anniversary celebration is?

Name a single anniversary event that didn't involve nostalgia in at least part of it.

@Taro local trade is confirmed and online trade may still be in the cards, just maybe.not at release.

The thing is I see a lot of people acting like they ar treating this like an HD remaster with QOL features. But they said in the interview they only even did this was for fun.

It's just a fun little celebration for now so they probably did this as quickly as possible. Adding features would have taken significantly more time.

Not to mention I'd this did have that much time put into it then it would have cost more and people would still complain. Maybe not you specifically but you get what I mean.

Really I just wish people would relax more and save outrage for more significant things than a $20 port that they don't have to buy.

I have enough nostalgia I'll probably get it. In which case I'll go with FireRed

I'm noticing a lot more concentration in the votes compared to earlier gens.

@Filthy later entries had language options but that doesn't mean you just flip a switch to add it to older games.

Depending on how it's coded that might be a decent bit of work.

As for making a collection or extra features... This isn't a grand rerelease like those. They say it pretty up front it's just as a bit of opening celebration of the series. A way to buy and play the first game ... Or more accurately the remake of the first game.

But this is just meant to be a fun thing to grab. Reworking the code for extra language options or features would have required more time and effort. Which would have raised its price.

Maybe some would prefer that, but that doesn't seem to be what this is meant to be.

@sevex fair. I prefer it as a purchase because if I do get it I don't want to have to maintain NSO expansion to keep it.

And $20 is basically nothing by today's standards. Even a cheap indie game is often $25 to $30 at minimum.

Only things cheaper than $20 without a discount are budget horror titles and shovel ware.

So it's a perfectly reasonable price for a stand alone purchase of a functional port of a gba game on switch. According to the FAQ it also has local trade functionality at least.

Pokemon home compatibility isn't confirmed and was taken off. But the fact it was mistakenly put on might mean it will be implemented later.

Or maybe this is just meant to revisit the past and not tie into the current global trade network.

@sevex they aren't "Charging extra" you are actually buying this game. Rather than only gaining access to it through the Nintendo online virtual shell.

You can not want to buy it but don't just outright lie and talk like this is some extra fee. If they had put this on NSO instead then you or someone else would criticize Nintendo for locking it behind a subscription wall.

@ShadLink I know ... But I feel someone has to say something or else the comments are an ocean of unified negativity.

Someone has to speak reason even if it won't make any of these people calm down.

@Filthy there are reasons why each language is separate.

It's not like it matters how many people are seriously going to play in multiple languages.

I swear some people look for literally any petty reason to be upset.

Like paying $20. Oh yeah how dare they expect to be payed even a small amount for a port.

And for the record I'm not defending Nintendo specifically. I just have zero respect for anyone trying to trash a company as greedy when they can't spend even $20 on a game.

They could lower it by 50% and that would only save you $10. You can't go eat out for that much these days. So if an entire game is seriously worth less to you than a single meal at a restaurant ... You don't actually like games. That or just too greedy to spend actual money on things.

@helloim_anthony $20 is not that damn much. How cheap are you people? Even if it was half off that would only save you $10! You basically want to get the game for nothing and are upset you have to spend more than you'd pay for lunch for the game.

Also stuff it with the conpiracy theories. So far Nintendo's shown no signs of doing so and you can even store the downloads locally so it's not like they are entirely server dependant. Plus even if we assume worst case scenario that's true for every online store including steam so don't bring that up here like that at all justifies you refusing to pay $20.

@helloim_anthony yeah ... That's called piracy ... You seriously calling selling a product a rip off because you can just steal it?

Look pirate if you want, I'm not going to lecture you on it ... But don't then turn around and act like that means it's obligated to be free. You being able to steal a game has no relevance on its sale price if they release it on a newer console. People put at least some amount of work into porting it, they deserve to be payed and that money needs to come from somewhere.

In any case, If we want to own legal copies that's our business.

@thesilverbrick there has to be SOME kind of trading for that reason. Maybe they'll have limited compatability with home? Some other games have compatability with home but with limitations so it could work.

they have to do SOMETHING though ... I can't imagine they'd overlook a core feature of the OG games like that.

I actually missed out on heartgold and soulSilver so fingers crossed they offer those as well. they're seemingly impossible to get now legally so a switch re-release would be great.

I don't care if it's just a direct port with no improvements, I just want to play it without paying $300 for a damn DS game ... seriously the resale market for old games is insane.

@Arawn93 IKR? Everytime a popular classic is released on NSO people are like "Oh no! I wanted to actually own it!"
Now it's
"Oh no! I didn't want to pay money for this! It should be on NSO instead! Which I pay for."

People would have complained no matter what Nintendo did but they'll still act like what they wanted is the obvious answer and Nintendo is greedy for not doing things their way.

People unwilling to spend $20 calling someone else greedy is irony.

@LastFootnote same ... Nostalgia aside I'm a bit split on playing this again. At least it's only $20 and the original game.

I was a little worried this would be a "Brilliant diamond and shining pearl" situation when I heard rumors about this.

@Elemele and if they were on NSO there would be even more comments about how it's locked behind a subscription paywall and greedy ... I swear. Next time you want to complain about greed look.in the mirror at the person expecting people to work for free because they are too cheap to spend $20 but also too insatiable to just not get it.

It's just a damn re release. They aren't threatening your family to make you buy it.

@TerribleTerabytes yeah I never really liked XC1 's combat.

Even the definitive edition is only okay for me. It's just the combat doesn't ruin the experience either.

@BLK_4EVER you blatantly don't understand how programs work. Do you think PC games scale their resolution and frame rate infinitely with hardware?

PC games "Upgrade with your graphics card" because in the first place they weren't operating at their peak with the prior one.

It's not that the game itself magically changed its code. At most you might have some code adjusted to simply reference some new drivers or something.

The switch 2 upgrades aren't just replacing a few reference libraries and calling it a day. Some actually need to replace the assets which weren't in 4k before. And while the switch 2 looks similar to switch 1 it has some optimization features that you'd need to put a bit of work to make th game use them properly.

Switch 2 editions are more like small scale HD re-releases. Not simply a.graphics card upgrade that needed no game changes to make use of.

They seriously shadow dropped this out of nowhere ... Now do Xenoblade chronicles 1 through 3 please?

@X68000 again it's not about affording.

Your logic works if it's just sold at a high price. But a lot of old games aren't sold and limited copies remain.

So it can be next to impossible to get a copy. And even if you get a copy ... You aren't buying from the company, you aren't funding the developers. Your paying someone charging several times the original price.

I'm all for buying a game properly if it's being sold. But don't selfishly write people off as entitled for wanting to just try older games they can't get ahold of anymore.

Again if the creators want my money they can sell it again. Not even asking for an HD rerelease. Just something on steam or eShop is fine.

Seriously I am willing to pay, the games actual worth. Not scalpers prices.