When Nintendo unveiled the Wii U at E3 2011, some were confused about whether it was a Wii add-on or a new system. By the time it was unveiled at E3 2012, it felt like even getting a broader audience to look at and consider the system was an issue. We suspect many have encountered the following scenario since the console arrived in late 2012 - knowing people that barely realise the Wii U exists as a separate entity from Wii. Practically everyone knows what a Wii is; the Wii U? Not so much.
An early challenge for any new product, first of all, is getting noticed. The good news for Nintendo Switch, right off the bat? It's been noticed.
For a number of hours Nintendo Switch was trending high on Twitter. On YouTube, as we type this, it's still number one in this writer's 'Trending' list, racking up over eleven million views on the Nintendo of America official channel in a little over 24 hours. Looking back at videos on that channel from E3 2011 and even 2012, related to Wii U, they were lucky to hit one million views.
Then there's been media coverage - Nintendo is still a big enough name for newspapers and broader 'mainstream media' to feel compelled to produce at least one article on the Switch, often with decent positioning on websites. Recent buzz from Pokémon GO (even though that's not even a Nintendo game, but let's not get into that again) and the announcement of Super Mario Run for iOS have also helped Nintendo to get back on the media's radar in recent weeks and months. There's been a mix of opinions, many positive but also a fair share of reservations. That's to be expected considering Nintendo's approach - a short trailer and (apparently) little else before the start of 2017. Questions and mysteries are inevitable.
First of all, let's consider the public reception. This writer went to sleep hours after the reveal feeling optimistic. On social media, our own polls, and more importantly in conversations with gamers of different kinds with no fixed loyalty to Nintendo, there was positivity. The concept, which combines simplicity with an interestingly diverse set of possibilities, was immediately recognisable to most who saw it. To many eyes, it seemed, it also looked like a cool device.
The trailer, too, has clocked up some positive reactions, where YouTube's 'Like' system at least provides a form of data. After all, we've seen Nintendo suffer from these thumbs up and down in the past, with notable examples being trailers for the likes of Metroid Prime: Federation Force being down-voted into oblivion. At the time of writing those 11 million+ views have translated to over 370,000 Likes, and just under 15,000 Dislikes. That's a favourable reaction from YouTube viewers on the most widely viewed copy of the trailer, which is pleasing to see.
As we say though, the reaction is mixed. For example Nintendo had a shocking day in the Tokyo stock market, as investor response to the reveal delivered a 6.5% drop in share value, wiping out pre-reveal gains and then some. Investors didn't get what they wanted, though frankly that's hardly surprising. As many have correctly said, investors probably wanted a smartphone, or a gaming powerhouse to make Sony and Microsoft weep, or a robot that talks like Mario and brings you breakfast in bed. Just as Nintendo enjoys irrational gains in share value (hello again, Pokémon GO), it also suffers from equally irrational drops.
Let's not pretend, though, that all concerns are irrational. Various well paid and experienced industry analysts have highlighted issues that will need to be addressed, and plenty of online commenters have also been entirely fair in highlighting areas where Switch may have weaknesses. That's the thing with new products and technology - when arguments are constructed sensibly, both for and against sides are equally valid, as no-one truly has a crystal ball to declare that the Switch will definitely be a success.
Personally, this writer isn't concerned - as some are - that Nintendo is obsessed with targeting the so-called 'Millennial' generation at the expense of other demographics. The trailer may have featured photogenic actors in that category, but that's rather typical for brief technology showcases. Was it a casting misstep to have no kids or 'older' gamers in the video? Probably, yes. Does that mean Nintendo is forgetting those audiences? Unlikely. We suspect that when marketing goes into overdrive in 2017 you'll see plenty of smiling kids playing with their parents when having a picnic, or something along those lines.
Plenty, of course, worry about details we don't have. Some of our queries in the Nintendo Life team are as follows. Does the console have a touchscreen, and why is there no clear answer on that? Is it because the touchscreen is only used with parts of the system not yet shown, like the user interface or 'touch only' games? After all, to play on the TV you put the console in the dock, so 'TV' games can't have touchscreen support anyway, right?
What about storage? How much internal memory is there, what external memory can be added, maybe micro-SD cards? What about the eShop? Is there a StreetPass equivalent? Is that mystery button on the left Joy-Con the rumoured 'social' button? What games are actually coming?
Questions, lots of them. But let's be real, short of running a video with nothing but tech-specs and a list of games, Nintendo was never going to satisfy the most eager of enthusiasts. Some vague answers in a small number of follow-up statements and interviews haven't helped matters, but it's typical of Nintendo to take simple enquiries and make them into mysterious sagas. It keeps things interesting, anyway...
Yet around all of the questions and debates over the concept, some key points are self-evident. A lot of people have read about Switch, seen it and become interested in it. Certainly, various members of our team have shared stories about work colleagues and friends talking excitedly about it, having lasted bought a Nintendo system in the Wii era. One example was someone who said the Mario game looked great, commenting that they didn't know there'd been any since Super Mario Galaxy. That may make the toes curl of eager fans like many reading this page, but on the positive side it's this lost Wii and DS audience that Nintendo wants to win back. So from that perspective, stories like that are a positive.
Examples like that show that Nintendo will need to get various factors right with Switch - pricing, games, and a strong marketing campaign, to mention a few. The first test, though, that of getting noticed and having people talk about the Nintendo Switch, has been passed.
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Remember kids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV69DyOuzbE
We've waited how many years for ANYTHING regarding the NX... I mean Switch, what's waiting a few more months for more information?
Only analysts are divide, the general consensus is that is awesome. Even AngryJoe, and tons of haters that I call friends are really excited.
The demographic Nintendo has struggled with is the "millennials". 20s and 30s who lapsed from Nintendo in their teen years. Casting exclusively that age group was REALLY smart. A lot of press coverage I saw specifically called that out as a positive as it shows focus toward that group that they've neglected. It's not about kids and grandmas any more.
As Nintendo always says: software sells hardware. Until we get a better understanding of what games we'll have to play on it in March (beyond a large presence of Wii U port upgrades), who knows if this thing will be a hit day one?
I mean, us Fanboy Wii U owners are desperate to support the thing, but we need more than being resold MK8, Splatoon, Smash, Mario Maker, and Zelda U....
No kids and family on a coach swinging a controller around. No touch screen gimmicks shown. It was a great presentation. Makes me want to learn more about it.
@Jayvir I sort-of agree, but I'd have had mostly millennials with a brief shot of kids playing in the car, perhaps. Anyway, long term I don't personally think that casting is a big deal
That is a good point.
"Does the console have a touchscreen, and why is there no clear answer on that? Is it because the touchscreen is only used with parts of the system not yet shown, like the user interface or 'touch only' games? After all, to play on the TV you put the console in the dock, so 'TV' games can't have touchscreen support anyway, right"?
I say it has to have a touchscreen for the portable device to work. It would be a HUUUUge mistake. I would have to point and laugh at the switch if it didn't and I don't want to do that.
Who cares about the investors? The general consensus is that it seems neat, so, it's all good. It's been the #1 Trending video on YouTube for well over 24 hours, it's amassed a large number of views, and it has an excellent like-dislike bar - it's been a great reveal, all things considered!
One of my clients talked about the Switch before and after the session (I'm a psychologist) today, it was kind of awesome !!!
Anyone who thinks the reveal wasn't a big success and did exactly what it was supposed to do, is lying to themselves.
Apple could learn a thing or two from Nintendo's surprise announcement:
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-apple-can-learn-from-nintendo-switch-reveal-2016-10
My uni was negative, but they don't....like Nintendo. Never worked out why, so discounting a small section of potential future developers taught there....in which more own Wii Us than Xbox Ones....so take that for what you will, the system itself...is being looked at with optimism at most from the world, excluding the usual negative bunch who wont touch Nintendo.
And that's a success.
I think targeting millenials was a wise choice. For some reason, especially on YouTube, the millenial demographic is the "cool" demographic, with both teens and pre-teens trying to be, act like, and buy the same things as millenials. Despite previous Nintendo consoles being targeted at all ages (Wii U especially), in this day and age "all ages" means "for kids", and even kids think they're too old for kid-targeted stuff. By targeting millenials, Nintendo is more easily able to win over the most influential age group on the internet, and then it becomes a lot easier to win over kids and teens afterwards. (Despite it not being much of an issue to the average consumer, Nintendo really should allow Lets Plays of their games as well, because if they don't, the popular YouTubers will whine and then everyone below 18 will have a reason to dislike the Switch.)
Millennials are the ones with the disposable income and for most of ...us... Millennials are the ones addicted to social media. If you impress the Millennial group you have gotten free PR as well as sales.
I've never liked, nor agreed with the "kiddie" label that Nintendo tends to get, but I will admit this is the first commercial in a long time that I felt was aimed at ME and my friends. I really haven't felt this way since my adolescent years.
@ThomasBW84 Been thinking about the touchscreen a lot, maybe their silence has something to do w/ all of these haptic feedback patents you guys have been covering the past year or so. I mean, it turns out almost everything else was true - though I doubt IR Joy-Cons, IR won't work like that. So maybe they want haptic to be a surprise?
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/09/haptic_feedback_patent_could_hint_at_full_touchscreen_interface_on_nx
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/07/patent_reinforces_the_prospect_of_nintendo_nx_having_a_portable_handset
And those 15,000 down votes were all of SMD64's followers.
My favourite part about the ad was there was no kids!
@BLPs For what it's worth, the game design students in the classes I teach were largely positive and they are mostly PS XB PC gamers. Had two students calling NS dumb today, but one worked at Game Stop and had to answer phone calls about it all day.
@aaronsullivan Oh, working in retail can kill mood, trust me. I never want to see an iPhone again. And I only had that job for 3 weeks...
Nintendo still have a long way to go to convince people. I told my bro to watch the trailer today..... He messaged me back saying it looks good....... But then said what are the graphics like? Just Nintendo graphics?
People shouldn't assume if its Nintendo its graphically crap, yet they do
The console hasn't been fully announced yet, it's been "teased", I'm sure we'll get more info soon. Although look at the Gamecube, we never found out exactly how powerful that was & look how well THAT did... oh.
So long as the price is decent...
So long as the support continues...
So long as Nintendo is consistent in releasing games...
Nintendo Switch will do fairly well.
It's unlikely to do PS4 sale numbers... but Xbox One? Yeah!
@Captain_Gonru "I'll get excited when we hear about the games. Until then, I'm just satisfied that the absurd "mystery" is over.
"
If I was able to type less than 8 paragraphs at a time I'd write something like that.
Just what was the mystery they didn't want stolen anyway? A touchscreen that doesn't touch? (Just kidding, I think it has secret haptic touch) A portable like what Sony did w/ PS Vita? I like it and all - minus that stupid wall - but I don't see much that's worth stealing. It's just an Nvidia Shield. And I may wait for my Switch Home. They stole everything else from Nvidia, why not that? Why pay for a screen and battery I'll never use?
https://shield.nvidia.com/android-tv
Nintendo really needs to reveal plans for VC if any. It will help people decide whether they should continue to download VC games to their Wii U and 3DS.
Well Nintendo don't need to convince me any further!
I'm lining up on day 1.
I keep throwing money at the screen but it just won't take it!
I can't wait to Switch it on!
In the meantime the no backwards compatibility with my Wii U just makes me want to hug it a little tighter, they just added more value to my increasing library of physical games.
I dunno how true this is regarding battery life
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/10/21/nintendo-switch-battery-life-rumor/
Laura Dale reported that she was told the screen is a touchscreen, but will only be used for drawing, browsing, and an option for games when it's out of the dock etc. She also said when it's in the dock IT WILL have more processing power. Whether that's the dock providing more power or the console itself running at a higher power because it's in the dock is yet to be determined but it goes with Nintendo's patent about a supplemental computing device being on the Switch. On topic I thought the presentation was excellent and the Switch has been all over social media with people being really excited about it. Nintendo definitely hit it out of the park.
So where is supermetaldave64 and happy Nintendo fan. They both must be slitting there wrists right! Lol
They were so wrong with there predictions.
Yeah I'm guessing when it's docked then touchscreen is pretty much off the cards.............. Unless........................ Touch pad joy-con that clips on the right of the joy-pad
@kobashi100 please elaborate
It can't be a coincidence that typing joycon as one word comes up with MOTION on predictive text hahaha
As long as the third party support is actually followed through this could be a great console.
Yeah, my boss who is totally not a gamer, knew about it when I came in this morning and mentioned it to me since he knows I love Nintendo. He had apparently seen it on ksl.com which is Utah's biggest news station.
@KiWiiU_Freek Agreed! Day one for me as well.
It absolutely has a touchscreen. My guess is they wanted to make a good first impression because first impressions matter more than anything else. And we already know had they shown swappable analogs or click and scroll shoulder button or motion controls or touch screen, it would have been all the fodder idgits needed to start crying foul and abusing the "gimmick" word to no end. We all know that's exactly how it would have played out too.
By focusing only on the Switch as a console with traditional buttons they have made a valuable positive first impression. Now they can come in and detail all that other stuff later, since the masses now see it in a positive light.
I really do like the console though. I mean, I was always gonna buy it. Far be it from me to skip any Nintendo console, but be that as it may, there's still degrees of excitement. And I'm very excited.
Even my coworker who was saying he was saving up for a PS4, now says Switch will be his next console purchase. That Skyrim did wonders for their image. That and Zelda together was the one two punch. And it's not just because it's a great game, it's the symbol of what it stands for. Bethesda support is really indicative of a new era of Nintendo gaming.
It's not as confusing as Wii u was at the beginning of Wii u life. It'll be down to the games Nintendo make. It's the most standard console (abide a hybrid) Nintendo have made since GameCube.
That's gotta be good.
So does all of the processing occur on the tablet? Then what does the "dock" do besides charging the tablet and transmitting the video to the TV?
@nintykid nothing..... Not even upscaling.,.... All the components are in the screen
@JaxonH
I really hope there's not touchscreen because it will drive the price down and also because it would kind of fragment the experience, since the TV obviously has no touch functionality.
@gamermole
That's odd... I wonder how they can get that tiny screen to do all that processing...
@ThomasBW84 - This is a little of topic and I know you have been busy with all the Switch articles and all, but I was hoping to obliterate Double Dragon 2 in your NES Mini Classic articles. For some odd reason I cannot stand that game and I have been looking forward to commenting about it.😄
@nintykid using nvidia tegra mobile technology
@nintykid
Pretty sure it's a negligible cost increase to have a touch screen if it already has a screen. The screen itself is the bulk of the cost compared to having touch ability.
It wouldn't be for Switch games, naturally. More for playing mobile games like Mario Run while you have it undocked or BC for DS virtual console or even Wii U VC like they sold Wii games on Wii U.
You could say that "fragments" but it's in a positive way. By adding access to games you wouldn't otherwise be able to play at all anways. Better to be able to play Mario run while it's undocked than not play it at all.
So ya, it's not going to be for Switch games themselves.
I really don't buy that people didn't know the Wii U was a different console. I think that's been deliberately stuck out there as an excuse.
@Dezzy no I've been asked numerous times if the Wii u is just a controller for the wii
Weak as a home console and not that portable as a portable console. Worst of both worlds. I won't carry around something with that size and shape like I carry a 3DS so I'll play mostly at home rendering the whole concept useless. Even for those willing to take it away, there's a big chance the gimmickery will wear off pretty quickly on them.
Nintendo will initially sell a few millions to fans, specially thanks to games like the new Zelda and Mario, and then what? This has nothing for the mobile-only casuals (99.9% of the population). Gamers who are not Nintendo fans (the big majority) will simply not bite. Third-parties will run away as it, once again, fails to keep pace in tittles and sales. Yes, this is a Wii U 2.
And yes, I'll get one, just like I got a Wii U even though I firmly believed, and still believe, it was a stupid concept. But I like Nintendo software and can't help it. Problem for Nintendo is, we their fans aren't that many, and shrinking by the day. From a business POV, this is shaping as another failure long term unless there is something more we haven't seen.
@gamermole for months they were on YouTube telling people that all the leaks were wrong and the NX was gonna be some AMD powered home console. Nvidia custom chip was not true etc etc. They were wrong completely..
Don't know if you all have heard a lot of talk about the fact that representatives of Bethesda and 2K actually did not confirm Skyrim and NBA games for the system for what seems to be an obvious strategy because it is not yet the time these 3rd party companies consider the right moment for their reveal. While their representatives confirmed they are actually working with Nintendo - maybe at a primary stage - and told it is not the time to talk about their efforts and partnership.
Some sites are noticing this as a disaster!
I'm glad here on Nintendo Life that wasn't all desperation and fuzz about such trivial facts while other sites made it a big question and the first real problem for the Switch, almost diminishing the future console potential!
To my surprise my famliy started talking today about the 'new Nintendo' that's coming out in March 2017 after seeing the trailer on social media and hearing about it in traditional media. They instantly understood the concept and are looking forward playing it with me when they visit me.
I was completely shocked. NO ONE has ever mentioned something to me about the Wii U around 2011 and 2012... even to this day they're still a bit confused why I needed the Wii U to play the new games on it: 'But you already have a Wii.' Sigh...LOL!
@nintykid - You also have to take into consideration that when you're on the go the Switch has to have some sort of browser. It would be counter productive not to have one and what about the Apps? It better have one. Not mention what @JaxonH said, for the most part. If it doesn't have touchscreen I will vomit. I will also point and laugh at it.
Was it a casting misstep to have no kids or 'older' gamers in the video? Probably, yes.
I don't think so at all. If anything, the system is being talked about way more because the first demographics that see these announcements (fans and dedicated gamers) fall into that age bracket. Since they feel targeted, they are more prone to like the video and share the positive vibes.
A focus on kids and older demographics would have diminished the impact of the reveal.
@nintykid @gamermole
Actually Laura Dale reported that the dock might provide some extra processing power. She said it's either that or the console(tablet) does upscale and has more processing power and performance when docked because of the extra power supply. And she's usually pretty reliable and supposedly her source is coming from Ubisoft.
What if they releases their biggest Wii U multiplayer games with upgrades at launch day? And if you already own that game on the WIi U, there would be a special upgrade system for €10/15? That way you don't have to pay full price, but you do get all the added bells and whistles of the upgraded Switch versions.
I'm looking at Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros., Splatoon and Super Mario Maker for its community aspect. Think of added online options, courses, levels, characters, modes and visual upgrades.
@arojilla
Define "weak".
Cause all that gameplay looked gorgeous. If being a "weak" console has absolutely nothing to do with aesthetic appeal and is only a matter of being inferior on paper relative to another platform, then I'm all for having a weak console. Weak is just a word. It means nothing. What matters is how the games look and judging by the game play the games look beautiful so how much weight does that word really have in the face of beautiful gameplay?
Little to none if you ask me.
And it's not just about pocketing the device. It's about playing downstairs if you want, or in the kitchen, or chilling in the back yard patio. It's about taking with you on a trip, like when my employer sends me for training up in Minneapolis or Milwaukee for a week. You don't have to pocket the device to benefit from its portability. Now I can play my console games in the hotel room without actually packing up a stationary home console to do it.
As for your predictions that no one else will want it, I'll say that it's possible you're right. It's always possible. But I don't think you are.
My Xbox-loving friend, or "bizarro AlexSora89" if you so prefer, gave me the link to the first, outright negative Switch article pretty much as soon as he found it, and given he couldn't speak well about Nintendo if his life depended on it, stuck to the opinions stated in the article just as a fly sticks to, well, flypaper, so to speak. True, Nintendo has still a lot to discuss, but the reveal is nowhere near as a failure as Nintendo's detractors make it out to be.
As for me, well, I'm cautiously optimistic, and I'm vehemently insistent on the wording of my attitude toward the console: the optimism is there, but as a WiiU owner, it's like coming out of a messy breakup - I've loved and I'm afraid to love again. But the potential is there.
My biggest complaint at the moment is that it looks too big for me to carry in my pocket like I do with my 3DS. I like most everything else I've seen. I wouldn't be surprised if later they release a Switch Go, or some such that is smaller without the detachable controllers.
@OneBagTravel
Ya just the gimmick of being a tablet with removable controllers being used adjacent to a dimly lit basketball course by some men underneath an overpass. Very realistic!
Its pretty impressive how the trailer has 4x as much views as the iPhone 7 trailer and just after 11/2 days
If any of you in uk have seen the sky q adverts with idris elba. I hope they take a similar approach with each advert showing a certain aspect of the switch that is clear and concise. Then adverts featuring all age groups.
As for specs and secrecy i am happy to wait as have no plans to buy xbox one or ps4.
Be prepared for shortage of consoles in march mind with a worldwide release.
Where's the division? All I see is the normal interest among the masses that results from new Nintendo tech. The Nintendo brand is old and has had a good reputation and nostalgic impression for the masses. Of course people will be interested, and rightly so. But I can't get too excited until I see actual ganes confirmed, and pricing.
No offense, but aren't millennials the demographic Nintendo most needs to win back? We're broadly the ones who grew up with Nintendo consoles and who invest heavily in the modern gaming industry. Most people I know who are committed Nintendo fans, or even casual Nintendo fans, grew up playing the NES, SNES, N64, etc. It's about time Nintendo began recognizing this and catering to our interests.
@arojilla
If the Switch has a customized Tegra X2 in it it's anything but weak. We're talking PS4 graphics good. Also did you not see the graphics yesterday in the trailer? Doesn't scream weak to me.
We were never going to get all the answers in the first trailer. That would not be a very intelligent marketing decision. I'm fine with the amount of info they gave us with this preview. We can be sure they will be gradually releasing more information to keep momemtum until the launch.
@capitalism @arojilla Agreed, Nintendo finally gives us parity or possibly more power than the current gen... and it's "weak", they give us a portable with home console power, that's "weak"... and just as a news flash, I keep my 3DS in my sidebag, it's too big for normal human pockets already.
I think there is always negativity and dissapointment with everything new that doesn't immediately live up to expectation. Personally, I think the more Nintendo shows, the more we'll all get excited. After all... we've already seen some major 3rd party support & it runs all major game engines. It's already avoidied being a WiiU.
@AlexSora89 That was probably the most biased and opinionated article I have ever read. It's okay to write an article that is based on your opinion on a particular subject, but the author had no real opinions. It was mostly "Nintendo is backwards", "Nintendo lost its touch with the gamers", and "Nintendo is doomed" comments. And besides, you can't critique something that hasn't been fully revealed yet!
@DanteSolablood
Yeah the fact that it supports Unreal Engine 4 and NIVIDIA officially said it's using GeForce Architecture is a very good sign
One thing I'd like to know is what else it can do, and i recon nintendo will tell us before christmas. When they released the list of supporters they mention Autodesk who someone pointed out make autocad, so I'm thinking there are more video's incoming highlighting the varitey of ways the switch can be used but each reveal will be focused on specific areas, rather than having just one mass info dump. A concise message each time with uses clearly outlined, then when we know just exactly what it is we are getting they'll give us the rest.
@rjejr Define "stole" everything from Nvidia? You do know they're working with Nvidia on the CPU & software don't you? Did you "steal" your parents DNA?
@Randomlight If it were to run a version of Autocad, that would point towards a possibly capacative stylus type situation as it would be next to impossible to design anything with the controllers. That's a good catch, next to that.. the heat vents on the top (meaning this thing must be pretty beefy) and the fact that the version of Skyrim shown has been pointed out to be running at a much higher resolution than the 360 version means the community is getting pretty clever.
@Frank90 yeah well, let's see how much of that excitement actually turns into purchases.
@gatorboi352
I had both soccer moms AND hardcore gamers on my social media feeds saying they were gonna pick one up after seeing/posting the trailer.
@Jayvir go look at pre Wii U marketing. It was also tailored to this demographic. Don't take too much from that.
Here's what I'm referring to: https://youtu.be/TKLWEQqTzQQ
Never overestimate Nintendo.
@ThomasBW84 If 80s and 90s taught us anything, it was jamming kids your own age or younger into things doesn't sell you anything, it just makes you think something is lame. Kids want to something cool & something younger adults have. Analysts are the reason we got whinnie kids in out Transformers & Ninja Turtles.
@DanteSolablood the Switch is no more powerful than the XB1. Not a problem, persay, but the XB1 came out in 2013.
@JaxonH man, you are down right chugging the kool aid of that trailer. We get it, you're excited. It's still not that amazing or ground breaking. Come March, the worst time to launch mind you, reception will be modest unless Nintendo announces two or three more bombs on us.
@gatorboi352 As I said, parity or "maybe" more, the Nvidia Tegra X1 was running the full Unreal Engine 4 without strain & using less than a tenth the wattage compared to the XB1. The Tegra X1 is a year old chip which was twice as powerful as the chip from 2014. The Switch will either be running a custom chip based on the X2 or possibly the X2 itself... there is no reason believe the Switch "could not" be more powerful (at least when plugged into it's base).
Either way, we don't know yet.. saying "no more powerful than the XB1" is as much as a guess as anything I've said.
@DanteSolablood i for one hope the dock offers additional power, because if it does I'm purchasing it like I've done with almost every Nintendo console to date. But with Nintendo we won't know until probably launch. We shall see.
@gatorboi352 Based on the CPU it uses, we should get 5-6hrs play at XB1 quality graphics. Plugged into a base which provides more power, not sure what to expect. As you said, we will see.
I HOPE to heck that Nintendo drops the propriety charging cable & allows me to use the back up power I carry for my phone.
@Dezzy
It's true I've had a few people IRL not understand what the WiiU is and even try to argue with me that it's an add-on for the Wii.
Even listening back to old gaming podcasts, I've heard the same thing.
@JaxonH
Yes, I agree about Switch first impression.
Maybe another trailer of Switch will explain even further the details.
@bstoppel
Pretty obviously, the size of Switch is not fit with our pocket. Imagine as you bring a mini Ipad on the go. Of course there will be a handy bag to carry your Switch just like 3DS XL.
Give me the lineup for the next year, and if it is good, then I'll buy it.
@ThomasBW84 the cool kids were aspirational, not the target, imo.
Nintendo still has some tricks up their sleeves. If they revealed the tablet to be a touchscreen device and it supports Android games: it will be a big deal!
It will be the most powerful tablet (cheaper than iPad) on the market. Plus it runs home console games, this will kill the tablet business for other companies. This Switch is a revenge on Mobile market for ruining their business in the last few years.
@Anti-Matter Unlike DS/3DS with a clamshell design, Switch definitely needs a case.
@Nintendian And possibly a screen protector.
It's not just the fact that the Switch had been received well or not, it's the fact that it's being received at all. I'd say over half my friends didn't know what the Wii U was until playing it at my house... even a few years after it released. And now all those friends already know exactly what the Switch is.
People who don't think the Switch is awesome is just a negative nancy. It appeals to just about everyone - children, teens, adults, portable gamers, console gamers, multiplayer, single player, I don't get any hate for this system. Who cares if the specs aren't cutting edge (we don't know but let's be honest, they won't be). If specs are all that matters get a PC. I cannot tell you how impressed and excited I was with the reveal and the console. Finally it feels like Nintendo's marketing is spot on and I couldn't be happier with the direction they seem to be taking it in.
@JaxonH that was so eloquently put! I wish more people could see it the way you do. Well said
@gatorboi352
Home console quality games that you can take with you wherever you go is not groundbreaking to you? Are you kidding me? Yes, the concept is simple and seems like a nobrainer that it should've been done before. But, it hasn't... Like, what kind of console do you think Nintendo should release if not the Switch? What does it take to impress you?
@Captain_Gonru It's definitely not a console, so it must be a portable. It's just a portable that can plug into the TV.
Maybe that is splitting hairs, but I think the emphasis is on portable with some console features rather than the emphasis being on console with some portable features.
@KrakenSoup
Ironically, my little brothers (They are Online PC and Smartphone gamers. They are 30 and 28 years old) said Nintendo Switch was really weird, can't compare with PC. I overheard their discussion right before we were have bedtime at 11.30 pm, basically they said PC was just they need, no need any video games but PC or smartphones because it was simple, powerful and no complicated accesories. I was thinking that they were WRONG. PC is not King of Video games, they can't make a statement like that. That was very narrow-minded.
I see it being at a price of $350 or more. The Wii U tablet was expensive, so that was why it never really got a huge drop in price...this looks pricey too, especially if it's a HD screen on the portable pad. The Vita was able to drop down to $200 or less, so maybe the SWITCH won't be too much. I just want to know what kind of memory it uses (hoping for SD Cards or even an external hard drive to add to it) and also...will we be buying memory cards for it to save data???? I'm hoping not on the last question, as I know they can become expensive (PSP and VITA). The E-Shop may not be up and running yet...they could still be fixing and adding that option...it came months later on the 3DS when that launched, but I'm really hoping that we don't get the same exact games coming...once again...each week and having to re-purchase if we want to...let's see if they can add all the virtual console titles from Wii and Wii U into the store and keep it going. It will also be nice (if the controller is touch screen) that they can add the DS and 3DS download games too! Time will tell, and hopefully they give a little more information on it! I'd also like to see more of the games...especially that Mario adventure and the Mario Kart...hopefully being a new Mario Kart title!!!!
@Dezzy Sadly, I've experienced otherwise.
@Captain_Gonru I can't call it a home console. I want it to be, but it's too annoying. I'm never getting over that toaster design.
And I'm never getting over them neutering Zelda U so the Zelda NS version doesn't suck by comparison. I have to wait an extra year for NS and they cripple my game, gee thanks.
And I'll believe it's a "home console"when I see a game that looks this good on Wii U. (I bought my Wii U in hopes of that game.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4SGjPLV5mw
Don't believe anything you saw in that vid yesterday. Not Skyrim, not basketball, it's all BS. The good stuff about Wii and Wii U lies is about half-way down.
http://kotaku.com/nintendo-switch-partners-are-so-secretive-that-they-won-1788045437
We wont' know if it's a home or portable until we see the games.
@Turbo857 Vita did it before, that's why. Vita was the pinnacle of portable tech at the time and entire pitch was home console quality gaming on the go.
It's kind of ironic in hindsight; Nintendo was praised for taking the DS approach to mobile gaming during the time of Vita by providing quick, pick up and play titles in contrast to Vita's "console quality gaming on the go" approach. Now, here's Nintendo trying to do exactly that in a desperation attempt to catch up to Sony and Microsoft.
People get new phones every year because they're phones. They're the defacto way to communicate with others in today's day and age. They aren't upgrading new phones every year to game on the go.
Day 1 purchase for me !
I just can't agree with the negativity as the Nintendo Switch as a concept is something I desperately want. I don't know if it's good for mass market consumers, but gamers I know are thrilled.
I'm a married father of 2 and that means a lot of shared TV time. Off TV play on the Wii U is great, but it's range is super limited and not all games took advantage of it. To be able to seamlessly swap to on the go play and take games with me is so exciting.
Thanksgiving next year? Typically in our setting we don't bring consoles, but a console that will have MK8 and likely Smash that I can stand on the table and go is incredible.
Personally the only reservations I have is online play and we can almost rest assured Nintendo will mess that up.
The Switch could very well have dual screen support after all. I frankly wouldn't be surprised. If download play is possible (which is what we might have been seeing at the basketball game) there is no reason that the swich shouldn't be able to be used basically the same way as a Wii U, just streaming to the TV while still holding the touch screen. Why didn't they show this? well for the same reason that the didn't show a lot of other features... they are trying to avoid confusion. They have a very specific way that they want people to see this, not as a handheld you can play on your TV, not as some crippled tablet, not as just another entry in the Wii or DS brand. There will be more to come, i'm a believer
Also, anyone thought that the portability factor might spawn 'Switch Clubs'? I think that just like Pokemon Go, the reality of this trailer might turn out to be greater than the marketing. The training sequence at the end showing E-Sports teams coordinating is something that could actually happen and catch on in the real world and totally fits with Nintendo's broader agenda to bring people together locally. Right now E-Sports is limited by a few super talented individuals who develop independently online, the Switch opens up the possibility of making E-Sports into a truly social thing.
@filterclay I can understand trepidation around that, but that was clearly Skyrim and we know that the companies are working together. The post-launch window is what we should be concerned with, Wii U had great third party support at launch too. I feel like Nintendo is already off to a better start tho.
I think Wii U would have done better if It had a different name. Wii was already strange enough. Then, they add on a letter which increases the gibberish factor. It just becomes one of those things that increasingly can't be defined by its name. Switch has instant name/functionality recognition like the DS.
I like that it's not backwards compatible. That means Wii u games and Wii u consoles will be like gold dust in the future. Games like Paper Mario and Starfox will go up in price. I'd still never sell my copies.
@AlexSora89 I stopped reading that article at (do we really need to play skyrim in a subway when candy crush will do?)
@rjejr
The NS is neither a home console or a portable console. It's the world's first real hybrid console. It's just just a "console" now, and a start of a new era.
I think we should stop trying to put the NS in the old boxes, and look at it as a totally new product type.
The NS is the successor to both the Wii U and the 3DS, because Nintendo has merged their handheld and home console divisions. In the future, they will only develop software for this single platform.
The NS needs to be everything, and please both portable and home console gamers. It's what Nintendo is aiming for here.
You just need to take the NS, and use it like you prefer. Like a home console or not, it doesn't matter. What matters is, that all Nintendo games and software are only coming to one single platform in the future.
The NS is "The Nintendo Console" for all gamers!!!
@DanteSolablood apparently a source at Unisoft has said 3 hours battery life and a source at Nintendo said it's mediocre
@Aneira
You're absolutely right. But that counts only for games. I remember pre-ordering my Wii in June 2006 and I had to wait untill January 2007 to get mine. So you can be sure that I'll pre-order my NS the moment I can so that I can play Zelda BotW in March and not in July/August!
I'm really impressed with what nintendos done so far. They just need to make sure the online infrastructure is top notch and they're onto a winner.
I don't see how 2 people can game on a 6.5 inch screen
@rjejr Response to #102, those are exactly my thoughts.
It's so obvious to me why they removed the GamePad map from Zelda (Breath of the Wild) U now. Why? Because the Nintendo Switch tablet (the tablet is the Switch console) MUST be placed in the dock to play on a TV. It's in plain site 3 times in the reveal.
You know what this means? No GamePad like features. When they killed the Wii U, they killed that concept as well. Aonuma was making up excuses all along because he knew the Switch version would seem like the lesser version as it would have no map on a second screen since the console/tablet MUST be docked when playing yet the Wii U would. How does he fix this? By gimping the Wii U version and removing the GamePad map from it. And just like that, the Switch version is now more appealing because it's on a new console. People will automatically think that the Switch version is better than the Wii U version because it's a new console and since the Wii U version lost it's main gimmick, they will get the Switch version. Simple as that.
I can't believe how many people here and online have missed that crucial piece of information about the Switch - it MUST be in the dock to play it on your TV. Therefore, there is no second screen and there will be no touch screen capabilities. And if there are touch screen capabilities, a lot of people who are primarily home console gamers will not buy this. Why? Because they won't be able to use them features most of the time.
And while I didn't buy a Wii U for Breath of the Wild (got it back in Christmas 2013), when I saw its reveal I was glad I was a Wii U owner. Now I'm quite the opposite and like you, I can't get over their betrayal of the system and it's owners. I imagine many Wii U owners like you and I won't be picking up the Switch for a very long time. At the end of the day, I know it's a business focused decision on their part (completely dropping/killing their old home console and making the new one seem light years better) but it will cost them in the future.
Before I finally stop talking and finish my massive comment, can I also say that I don't like the look of the new Splatoon? Take away the super jumping (possibly), the live feed of your map on a second screen (remember, no second screen people) and the motion controls (I highly doubt there will be gyro in a pro controller like some speculate) and what do you have? An almost soulless and run of the mill yet colourful shooter with one original idea - the cover system. And Nintendo presenting the idea of Splatoon becoming a major eSport like StarCraft or League of Legends as well.... I don't know, it all just rubbed me the wrong way. It's probably the idea of the Wii U losing all its exclusives and in the process losing all of its meaning.
@dres If the 3 hour battery life rumour is true, the system is underpowered compared to current generation systems and it has a touchscreen but you can't use it unless it's out of the dock then I'm sorry but it's clearly not for everyone.
@gamermole
It had better have a USB charging port so you can hook up an external battery or an adapter while traveling.
@Vriess Imagine clippable batteries lol but your right.
And in terms of the dock I bet they allow TV streaming similar to the Wii u as well. Allowing Wii u style play to play downloaded versions of Wii u games
@rjejr
You're such a buzz kill... you know that
This thing harkens back to the style of the GameCube and I absolutely love that.
@gatorboi352
Drinking some Sumatra blend coffee with my breakfast but that's about it. It's just legitimately an exciting console though. I'm only moderately excited for Switch though. That excitement will grow as it gets closer to launch. Right now what am actually excited for is PSVR. I wonder if I'd be accused of drinking Kool-Aid for saying that's the most awesome thing I've ever tried. Or does that only apply when it's Nintendo consoles.... hmmm.
I guess my concept work for the NX wasnt too far off. although horribly executed by me the rough idea was there.
Heres still hoping this part is true lmao
@Lewieboy124
Yes, if those rumors are true
We do not know anything about those things, yet. And of course there will be some compromises here and there. But you can just keep those negative classes on if you want.
I was just describing what the NS is, and what Nintendo is aiming for. But will they succeed? I don't know?
But it is a bold and brave move by Nintendo, to make a new console type, and trying to reach all gamers with it. Let's se how it goes then
@gamermole If you'd like to continue posting here, please read the Community Rules and stop using profanity. Thanks.
@gatorboi352 Making some assumptions that the Switch is doing the same as the PSVita, the Vita's WHOLE marketing push was that it basically a PS3 in your hand - an aging console most people had & it made NO consessions to being portable, some games didn't even add a pause button. Nintendo have decades of experience working on the Vita's hardware & software... comparing the PSVita & Switch at this point is misunderstanding how DUMB the PSVita was.
@gamermole Meh, sources have been wrong before. Someone in this very comment section, a "tech industry of 26 years" yesterday even told me it's impossible and terrible to "topple over" a game console even though the PS2, PS3, PS4, Xbox 360 & XboxOne S are all designed to do that. Experts can be dumb.
@MitchVogel I think so! Certainly this reveal remember us the Wii U and its, apparently, big 3rd party support at the beginning and many are worried about it.
But by this Switch trailer we have already seen that Nintendo is doing their homework as promised, this is a great start, although I believe it will take a little long to see the triple AAA 3rd parties games being released on the console.
No problem here actually: let us have fun with Nintendo best franchises and them have a great 3rd party time!
Also, looking back at some past console reveals, the Switch have met higher praise, yet it's still elusive, but overall it's alluring.
Surely the reason they used millennials in this first ad is because this is the demographic most likely to be chasing the latest tech news. It's young people like us who are predominantly the ones most eager to catch a glimpse of Switch (nee NX) half a year early. Young children and older people are less likely to be slavishly chasing details for six solid months. The more inclusive marketing will come next year, watch this space.
@8itmap_k1d
Yup, we will see next trailer of Switch with deeper features and kids playing with Switch.
While waiting, at least it gives us Positive Hype about Switch so we can save our money to purchase Switch when the next details looks better than we thought.
@gcunit my apologies.
@Anti-Matter Exactly. We have to keep in mind that Nintendo promised a "glimpse" of the new system. I don't think anyone expected to see quite as much functionality and footage as we did. It should keep us sated for a while.
@3MonthBeef
touchscreen : no
Super Mario run : no
Stylus : no
I for one can't wait for the still to be announced games! Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival Switch, Metroid Prime Federation Force 2, Star Fox Zero Director's Cut and Paper Mario Switch-a-Roo, oh boy!
@gamermole yes... but in this case it will be true again. There is no way a tegra soc will be anywhere near the power of even a years old ps4 or xbone.
I fail to see what you guys mean, when you say the graphics in the presentation video was good. In what way is it good? I saw nothing better than what the Xbox 360 delivers and it's 11 years old! 11 years!!!
@Aneira the new Mario game looks nothing like an Xbox 360 game
@Aneira
I think it's too early to justify that Switch graphic is worse than xbox 360. Wait until next trailers for further revealing. And I think it will quite enough to satisfy our eyes. Beside, Switch use Nvidia Tegra.
@Anti-Matter I didn't say it was worse than 360 graphics. I said it was alike.
I'm ready for the Switch and all there is to it. I see it as a new way to approach gaming in the society we live in today, time is sparse and you need to make the most of it at any given opportunity.
My biggest questions are whether it will be able to utilize Geforce Now(hence the chip)? Battery time? Which type of cables will it use? Charge time? Docks will probably be sold separately(I need three;))?
So many questions, just put me in hibernation mode until March!
Eurogamer published an interview from someone at Nintendo. According to him, there will be no more showing of, or talking about NS from Nintendo until next year.
@akaDv8R yeah thats true...... but next year is only 3 months away
@BiasedSonyFan my point is there is no mass market for AAA home console games being played on the go. There's more than one reason Pokemon GO was such a success, and the quick pick up and play aspect was one of the biggest.
Bottom line: if Sony or MS had announced the Switch instead of Nintendo, you wouldn't even be giving it a chance.
@yomanation If the report is correct, it will be using a CUSTOM Nvidia GPGPU, which uses there latest Pascal technology, the same as their desktop GTX10 series. Now, if, and I say IF, they go for a customised X2, as it won`t have to run behind Android, they could achieve as much as 30% more power. From the little we know about the X2, in terms of actual graphical capability, it is very close to the PS4.
@Danrenfroe2016 Wrong. If they are going with a customised version of the X2, as it would not be running behind Android, Nvidia have already said, it could achieve another 30% overclock in power. From what we know of the X2, it is very close to what the current PS4 is capable of, graphics wise. You only have to look at the X1 vs PS4 vids to see how good the X1 is. The X2 is reportedly double the power, and using their latest Pascal technology, the same tech as my GTX1080 desktop card.
I just hope the same games for switch also come out for the wii u or most games. I don't think I'm ready to buy another Nintendo console just yet.
@yomanation I think a lot of people need to take those Nintendo glasses off. Sometimes I feel like I'm not allowed to say anything bad about switch.
I have mixed feelings on the Switch. The exclusives look great as always but mobile gaming does nothing for me. If I got one it would probably never leave the docking station.
I will probably end up caving and getting one mainly for Zelda. It look's awesome...
@Nintendian
Now that will be a true game changer
i have a pc for power at home. i want the switch for power on the go.......... mobile phone games are just so sh"t
@gamermole While I could live without the VR aspect, your design looks sweet; looks like a modern-day Game & Watch!
I think the actors show that Nintendo isn't kidding itself this time. People buying this are going to be the same people who bought the NES Mini. Millienials with money on hand and nostalgia to burn. Older people likely won't buy it without a QoL aspect and kids (or rather their decision-making parents) have long gone on to free tablet games. The only way to reach those other markets it to first get the thing in the hands of nostalgic Millenials, who will then maybe show it off to their senior parents or their young children.
@Aneira you said I fail to see what you guys mean, when you say the graphics in the presentation video was good. In what way is it good? I saw nothing better than what the Xbox 360 delivers and it's 11 years old! 11 years!!...........
Are you actually for real? this is why i dont ever listen to whiney little sh"ts on the internet.
how on earth cant you see an improvement did you even watch the full video. for example here is the new mario game running on the NS
and here is the (ON PAR) graphics you are comparing it to?
Grow up
@yomanation I DO know what I am talking about thanks. "GPGPU" is now the Industry standard for Graphics (gaming) cards. It is General Purpose GPU. Not only does it do all the graphical work, it also takes on a lot of the more intense CPU operations, freeing the CPU up, which allows it to run faster, and at a more constant speed.
Even if it is not up to PS4 standard, a handheld running games natively @1080p @60FPS has never been done before. Also, and until Nintendo tell us, if the base unit has its own Graphics chip to beef up the graphical capabilities, games could look and perform even better.
Nintendo never have, and probably never will try and compete with Sony and Microsoft. They have the money to create a behemoth that could out perform the other two. They create consoles to their exacting standards, knowing what they will be able to get out of the system. They have a lot of 3rd party support already, and no doubt more to come. The question this time, is if they can keep that 3rd party support.
As was quoted a few months ago on this site and Eurogamer, I think it was either Sqare Enix or Namco who said, "For porting games, NX is the easiest system we have ever used".
@JaxonH PSVR is a joke IMO. All the VR rage is silly.
I think the only thing that REALLY bothers me about NX is the official name. For all of my life, a switch has been a single part of a system, and now we're expected to use the term "switch" to refer to an entire system. It short circuits my brain a little bit every time I see the name "Switch" or "Nintendo Switch". It's also too easy to take out two letters and create a less appropriate word. (That's going to become a meme, count on it)
So I'm going to keep calling it NX. I wouldn't call it NS either, because that's too similar to NES. Maybe "Nintendo Cross" or "Cross" as a nickname. That might get some religious folks up in arms, though. NX will do.
@BiasedSonyFan reports are Switch is around the same power as the XB1. A 3 year old console that already has a successor out which is $300. Switch better be $250 or it'll be the next Wii U.
Any coincidance that the Nintendo switch is NS for short....... so is Nvidia Shield
@PlywoodStick In a way I agree with you, but most people don't associate that word with circuits and/or systems and instead with the collquial "to change."
In any case, whether we call it NX or Switch or N(e)S, it's still better than Wii or Wii U (lol).
@yomanation I know it is.
And anyone worried about power only has to play super mario galaxy 2 for the wii. a subpar console with 480p resolution and that game looks better than most xbox 360 games. Nintendo know what they are doing and squeeze the very most out of every graphics chip they use.... lets hope third parties can too (with nintendos help ofcourse)
@World I work with computers as part of my work, so maybe it's just me...
But yeah, Wii U in particular will forever live (or maybe just be dead) in infamy. Look on the bright side, at least the NX isn't called the Wii U & Mii.
@Lewieboy124
I understand where you're coming from... but don't you think it's a little much?
Personally I'm excited and will preorder a switch day one and was a day one adopter for the Wii U. I only have time to play one console so the Wii U was definitely not ideal but hey I like Nintendo games don't have time and will not make time for other games so I'm good with a "switch".
I think that in practice, the NX will bring better overall performance and far less loading times than the original PS4 or XB1. (No HDD bottleneck to contend with.) However, it will lose out performance wise to PS4Pro and Scorpio. (Not a huge loss, considering it is primarily a mobile device with a home console adaptor/potential tech upgrade.)
The real question is, will 3rd parties care to develop for it after the initial launch window and first couple of years? Wii U has left an extremely bitter taste in the mouth for 3rd parties, after all. It will be such an enormous upgrade over the 3DS, that NX isn't anywhere near the same league as it, so we'll see how portable console developers take to it.
@PlywoodStick
I will call it Switch or NS. Switch is easy to pronounce while NS sounds like PS from PlayStation.
According to rumors this is what the NS dev kits have inside
Here are the full specs:
Quad core ARM Cortex-A57 cores, max 2GHz
NVidia second-generation Maxwell architecture
256 CUDA cores, max 1 GHz, 1024 FLOPS/cycle
4GB RAM (25.6 GB/s, VRAM shared)
32 GB storage (Max transfer 400 MB/s)
USB 2.0 and 3.0
1280 x 720 6.2″ IPS display
1080p at 60 fps or 4k at 30 fps max video output to TV
Capcitance method, 10-point multi-touch
Looks pretty weak to be fair, but thats basing off the actual console featuring the same tegra x1 chip, but rumors state that the NS will be using the tegra x2 chip and the only reason its not in the dev kits is because Nvidia hasnt passed the chip yet.
Note the touch screen referance at the bottom.
And although there only rumors i believe one part to be true (the screen size) is infact 6.2-6.5 inch
@gamermole
32 GB is ridiculous small as Wii U.
Well I hope it just a rumour. Judging by size of Switch console, I think it will have more than 32 GB.
I didn't mention this before, but I'm really unhappy with the asymmetrical placement of the analog sticks. I never liked the layout of the Xbox 360 controller, which seems to have been gradually transitioning toward. More of a dual shock-ish design would have been preferable, in all honesty.
@yomanation Lol, I bet whoever came up with the Wii name wanted something like that, but someone else slapped them on the wrist, hit their smartwatch, and suddenly came up with the Apple device sounding name. Oh yeah, and everyone in Japan is going to have to get used to hearing, "Su wee tchi" for a long while to come.
@Anti-Matter Im guessing nintento will include the 32gb storage as its cheap and they wil lallow expandable via SD just like with the wiiu.
Nintendo them selves have said that they dont do large storage on their consoles as it adds alot of money to the final price and its so much cheaper for customers to use their own storage.
For example 500gb harddrive costs around 40 quid but for nintendo to put that in the console it will add 70 quid price to the console
@yomanation Bottleneck was probably a poor choice of wording, but I meant that the loading times were significantly impacted by the HDD on the PS4 and XB1. All it takes is comparing the reload time from death in a game like The Witcher 3's console version vs PC with an SSD to realize what a huge mistake it is to bother with the console version.
@yomanation yeah i know they wont be actual console specs i was just lettign people know the DEV specs and yes i know its pascal that runs the latest cards im just hoping the switch uses x2 or atleast a slightly less powerful custom one
@yomanation Kind of reminds me of the "American Kirby is Hardcore" meme.
@yomanation I know your not being negative but do you see how a lot of people are being bashed for having a opinion.
I cannot see how this will be better than the wii u other than it having more games and more third party support. Let's see how the first two years goes.
@PlywoodStick Lets call it Nintendo Sandwich.
The best thing about it is that we no longer have to own both home console and handheld to enjoy all upcoming Nintendo games.
@JaxonH "You're such a buzz kill... you know that"
You've known that for 2 years now, it's part of my charm. Though I have to admit I have no idea what that's in reference too, I've made so many comments on NS, most of them bad, but a few good, I still think it's a good idea, just not for me yet. Though I pity anyone trying to sell this in store due to that toaster design.
Customer: Can you show me the Switch please?
Employee: Sure, it's that box right there.
C: Oh, I thought it had a big tablet screen.
E: It does, but you can't see it behind that wall.
C: Wait, what? Why is the screen behind the wall?
E: So you can't see it.
C: But I want to see it.
E: Not when it's on the TV.
C: So I have to choose tablet or TV, not both?
E: Yes.
C: I choose PS4.
It's practically a Monty Python skit.
@gamermole I like your mock up a whole lot better than the real one, but I think the screen is too big for a facemask headset, sorry.
@BiasedSonyFan Would Sony or Microsoft even have made such a home console? You know what they did for their next home console announcements after the PS4 and Xbox One were launched? They revealed the exact same consoles with better graphics hardware for 4K TVs. Sony and Microsoft aren't interested in innovation; their customers don't want innovation.
Never a truer word spoken......
MS and SONY fans are fed dribble and they lap it up because they look (COOL) as they do it.
Thats the state of the world we live in. do any of these retards on the left look like anything other than people trying to look cool for their social media accounts?
The world is full of this scum
@GraveLordXD
Playing Switch on toilet ? XD
@rjejr referring to the screen been too big for a headset. you do realise that the screen is only 6.2 inches. phones are been used for VR with very similar sized screens
@gamermole
I forgot if Switch uses cartridge that means save data will be saved inside the cartridge. Correct me if I wrong.
@gamermole
Obviously you're the one who needs to grow up, since you take it personally that I'm not over the moon with what I've seen so far. I'm actually a 35 year old who truly hopes for Nintendo to succeed. But that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to an opinion. I guess you will learn that when you some years from now exit your teens.
It's also laughable that you compare the graphics to one of the first 360 games like Perfect Dark, which looks terrible compared to other 360 games released through the years. You totally went for that to illustrate your weak point. Get real mate, seriously!
@Anti-Matter you are indeed correct. but i thought you was referring to the storage space not been big enough for digital downloads
@Aneira Obviously you're the one who needs to grow up, since you take it personally that I'm not over the moon with what I've seen so far. I'm actually a 35 year old who truly hopes for Nintendo to succeed. But that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to an opinion. I guess you will learn that when you some years from now exit your teens.
It's also laughable that you compare the graphics to one of the first 360 games like Perfect Dark, which looks terrible compared to other 360 games released through the years. You totally went for that to illustrate your weak point. Get real mate, seriously!
Well to kick things off im actually 30 but fair play on guessing my age you was close enough.
And the reason i chose perfect dark wasnt at all to show the consoles weakness, The reason i chose that is because it was a launch game and im comparing it to another launch game all be it not even a completed launch game.
Even more to the point you compared the NS to an 11 year old console hence the reason i chose an 11 year old game. or am i to choose the mose tecent xbox 30 game therefore meaning your comparing it to a console that still has games coming out right now?
@rjejr
I dont think thatll ever happen. Nobody wants 2 screens at once. If they did Wii U wouldnt be in the state its in.
This is how itll go.
Hey I want a Switch.
Sure its right there.
Why is it in a box?
Cause it seamlessly docks for TV output.
Awesome! So I can play on the tv or on the go whenever I want!
But arent you concerned you cant have two screens at once?
Two screens at once? Who the hell needs two screens at once? Didnt that Wii U console do 2 screens? If i wanted 2 screens at once Id buy that
@Aneira
Infact even if i pick a recent game for the 30 i still dont see how it looks on par.
Even zelda with its cel shaded art style looks better
Now i know the skyrim footage could just be pre rendered, but the mario and zelda are the actual games running
@gamermole "6.2 inches. phones are been used for VR with very similar sized screens"
Good point, I guess I'm used to 5" phones, and I've never seen a 7" tablet - I've owned 4 of those - in a headset, and this looks closer to 7" than 6" to me. I suppose PSVR is big, so it's possible, but you only have swimming gogles in your mock up, I think NS would need more of a helmet.
@gamermole
If the scale difference becomes the same as that of the 360 over the years for NS, I'd be very pleased. You're right that it's way too early to declare what NS can do graphically. However... there's a lot of talk of it being close to Xbox One, which is nowhere to be seen at all. That's the biggest concern. If it is that close they should have showed at least something that proves it. For the time being I will remain worried until the opposite is proven.
@gamermole
Call me blind then. I can't see what's so awesome about that new Mario game... apart from the gameplay that's guaranteed to be exactly that. You compare it to an open world game like GTA. That's not really a fair comparison now is it? A closed level environment will always be better in detail. (Or at least should always be better)
@Aneira If the scale difference becomes the same as that of the 360 over the years for NS, I'd be very pleased. You're right that it's way too early to declare what NS can do graphically. However... there's a lot of talk of it being close to Xbox One, which is nowhere to be seen at all. That's the biggest concern. If it is that close they should have showed at least something that proves it. For the time being I will remain worried until the opposite is proven.
Youre quite correct and anyone who is expecting xbox one is probably fooling themselves. all i know is that its probably more powerful than the 360 and ps3 and i know nintendo can do wonders with that amount of power. In a portable device it will look amazing.
games on the wiiu gamepad look phenominal.
@Aneira oh and skyrim and zelda are both open world
This is rumored NS footage of zelda... i mean if its true then im happy........... even if it looked the same as the wiiu i would be happy, its a great console.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8hDuCeG1xg
A full day and night cycle including a thunder storm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st4bgxiOnL8
@gamermole
I agree that Nintendo can do wonders with that amount of power. Zelda does look good. But the importance lie with with the 3rd parties who needs to work the same wonders. That's the big unknown so far.
@BiasedSonyFan best part is, we'll know soon enough how mass of an appeal the Switch will end up having. It's one thing to express interest, it's another thing to put down 300 dollars and put your money where your mouth is.
I predict, at best, GameCube like sales numbers for Switch. Sad thing is, that would actually be a massive improvement for Nintendo.
@Aneira I agree that Nintendo can do wonders with that amount of power. Zelda does look good. But the importance lie with with the 3rd parties who needs to work the same wonders. That's the big unknown so far.
Did you own a Wiiu? alot of third party devs was giving nintendo praise for helping them get the most from the system, with many devs stating that nintendo was always just a phone call away.
@gamermole
A Nintendo home console I do not own is a Nintendo home console that does not exist
@rjejr nah its definately 6.2 or 6.5 inches
@Aneira A Nintendo home console I do not own is a Nintendo home console that does not exist
Theres a true gamer..... i still have my dreamcast and that set up in my living room haha
@gamermole
That means Switch console + 2 Joy Cons approximate as big as Wii U gamepad.
@gamermole
Dreamcast is the only Sega console I own. And what a fantastic one. I loved it. So many great games. Still hope for the last chapter of Shenmue
But ohh boy were those jewel-cases easy to break :/
@gamermole
Wow, a Dreamcast ?
Gosh...still can be used until today is really nice. Almost 20 years ago.
Ugh, all this moaning and negging, especially about assumptions people have either made up or are deliberately down-scaling as not to be optimistic.
@rjejr - This is a reply, not picking on you for negging.
This is how I see the sales going:
Customer: Where is the screen?
Clerk: It's hidden as it's in console mode.
Customer so whats it's big feature?
Clerk: It's not an Xbox or PS4.
Customer: SOLD! SO TIRED of First Person Shooter 29.
@Anti-Matter That means Switch console + 2 Joy Cons approximate as big as Wii U gamepad.
No, the screen is the same size but the wii u gamepad is 10.2 inches in length and 5.3 inches high.
the NS on the other hand is 9 inches in length and 4 inches in height
@Aneira Dreamcast is the only Sega console I own. And what a fantastic one. I loved it. So many great games. Still hope for the last chapter of Shenmue
Shenmue 3 is been made for ps4 if im correct. although they should release a dreamcast version for old times sake haha.
Yeah ive owned pretty much every console since the atari 2600 except for the virtual boy and the sega saturn
@gamermole
Yeah I heard it's funded through kickstarter. I would love if NS got a version as well. I'm not buying a Sony console... I had that secret love with Sega for the Dreamcast. Nintendo has long since forgiven me... but they won't a second time around.
@Aneira can I ask why you won't buy a Sony console? As I too never keep them. I buy them just for the metal gear solid franchise but I always sell them as I hate the company as a whole
Oh and I think Sony funded the kickstarter for shenmue 3
@DanteSolablood +1.
As a dad with limited access to the TV, I love that in a sense its a Super Wii U: with off -tv play that has a far superior looking screen and can go anywhere. But unless they can make the portable aspect compelling in terms of gameplay, many users will be paying a lot for hardware they will never use. In other words there could be a far cheaper model that is just a standard console and would give you living room access to the same games.
Which is to say that in terms of cost /value for many users, its even worse than Wii U, because the screen has no purpose at all if you're playing on the TV.
Its great for me though
@gamermole
That line really got me scratching my head. "Candy Crush will do"? Just who is the article's author to tell me what I'm supposed to enjoy outside? I'm currently de-backlog-ing Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D, which, surprise surprise, is a port of a Wii game.
There are people who want to get a complete experience on handhelds, so no, a F2P game that, by the way, requires an internet connection to be even playable just won't "do", thank you very much. And if some people want to take their Skyrim with them, it's their right to do so.
I'm stunned at how backwards Nintendo's detractors can really get at times.
@akaDv8R yes but remember this is going to be a rather small thermal envelope, and unfortunately "custom" for console chips usually means a sacrifice or two for efficient production costs not performance. I really hope you end up being correct but I just don't see it happening in a formfactor that small.
The other problem with the CPU portion is that it is going to be nowhere near as powerful as a x86 either however I am happy to hear that the GPU in the Tegra setup has General compute abilities, so maybe that will help the general processing portion of the load.
Read this article here from polygon: http://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2016/10/20/12288138/how-powerful-will-the-nintendo-switch-be-xbox-one-ps4-comparison
@AlexSora89 is sad but the market spending shows this trend. Sucks. I am like wanting to tell people you don't know what you are missing! Candy Crush and games like that are basically extremely slick looking versions of old NES games, and with microtransactions to boot! Lol. The state of gaming really is sad at this point in time.
@gamermole this sounds about right for Nintendo... they really should not gimp the ram like that though. Also the arm cpu chips are going to be so much slower than x86.
@gamermole those tech specifications are quite good. Its only a portable system after all. I like how there are different resolutions. 720p for the portable aspect, 1080p for TV gaming and 4k for (Netflix, Hulu etc).
The only thing I'm shaking my head at is the 32gb SD card rumor. That is way too little, it should be at least 128gb imo
Edit: forgot to mention, the N3DS had micro SD cards, so this will most likely have it as well. Was an SD card slot found in the trailer. Also, I know you can easily replace the 32gb SD card and get a larger card, but having yo go through the process of replacing it and selling the smaller card is such an inconvenience
The Nintendo Switch Divide's opinion?
I thought it just divided itself.
@Danrenfroe2016
And the sad part of all of this is, when I gave my old 3DS to the friend I mentioned in comment #61 in this very article, he rarely used the thing as an actual console since; as a testament to how the VG247
opinion piece"article" I linked ended up reflecting his own views, the first actual 3DS cartridge he bought was Puzzle & Dragons Z + Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition, discounted at 15€, and describing that as "the price is right". Kind of hair-pulling once you consider the same console boasts, you know, A Link Between Frickin' Worlds. But such is life - he'll always consider home consoles, mostly Xbox, as his gaming religion. Same for me, hardened handheld lover, Nintendo fan for life.I'm going to sell my 3ds and Xbox one tomorrow and use that money for the switch...... That plus saving 100 a month should give me at least 900 for the NS plus games. Who knows I mite even beef up my PC too.
@Captain_Gonru But by that sizing guideline, a 10" iPad would not be considered portable.
@arojilla Literally everywhere I go I see people with tablets in their hands. And this is a pretty small "tablet". Go look at the video again and watch when those guys are surrounding the table with 2 switch tablets on the table. They look pretty damn small. The 3DS XL is not really all that portable either. It is already a day one purchase for me but what would really throw it over the top would be the touch screen and some normal tablet functions. This thing is probably the main reason for no follow-up to the Shield tablet, I would like to think some of that reasoning will show up in more features then we are imagining right now.
@PlywoodStick Yeah, it's kind of weird to see a tech product with that name. Because like you said...switches exist. But it's an okay name that I think people will "get."
...Wii U & Mii is still probably better than what I was thinking they'd call it. Like Wii 3 (Thrii?) or something.
@gamermole
An external battery pack via a USB port isn't such a weird idea is it? You have them up to 50.000 mAh nowadays. (The non-fake ones...) Or charging and playing at the same time in the car when plugged into the cigarette lighter socket.
@World
Thrii...! XD
@Titan_Clocker
Yeah, I think Switch should be put at least 128 GB micro SD card inside by default. 32 GB still ridiculous small. Btw, is there any bigger than 128 GB size of micro SD card ?
@gamermole
Aw...too bad if you sold 3DS. I would rather keep them all so I can play any of them whenever I want. Well, so far I have 4 different of Nintendo families (NDS, 3DS, Wii and Wii U) and will add Gamecube games as the fifth Nintendo family and Switch for the sixth in the future. My shelf will fulfilled with a lot of Nintendo games from past until future. Pretty neat, huh ?
@gamermole
Permission granted.
It's a fanboy thing. My friends turned their back to the big N after the SNES. I'm the sole survivor refusing to turn to the dark side.
...Besides, Metal Gear and Final Fantasy was the only carrot Sony ever offered me. Thankfully the latter became multiplatform. So I stand my ground
@Danrenfroe2016 Modern ARM cores beat out the Jaguar Cores in the X64-86 twins on per core basis.
@Anti-Matter Storage on mobile devices is actually alarmingly expensive. I say it's good they even bothered to put 32GB in there because at least one game will fit in there.
Many people may not know this, but the 3DS XL has consistently and significantly outsold the normal 3DS since it launched in 2012, and the New 3DS XL has consistently and significantly outsold the normal New 3DS since they launched in 2014/2015. Size is no longer a concern for most people. The Switch tablet is big, but not overwhelmingly large to make it "unportable."
Heck, the 2DS recently got a massive sales boost thanks to casuals picking one up after experiencing Pokémon Go, and that thing is even less portable than the 3DS XL/New 3DS XL. It's probably less portable than the Switch tablet as well.
I guess I'm a hardcore Nintendo fan considering I'vr bought 5 3DS'es (not all of them for me) and I own a Wii U I still use. I had a DS and a Wii. But I'm alone, none of my friends are Nintendo fans. Have a feeling I'll be the only one with a Nintendo Switch, until I buy one for my BF. I love how the Switch looks so far. Just please have a touch screen and a batterylife of at least 3 hours, preferably more like 5.
Oh, I forgot. 4G support. I would love if the Switch gets that.
@Phle
Don't worry. You are not alone. I'm also Nintendo gamer. I have NDS, 3DS, Wii and Wii U. Gamecube and Switch will be next for me.
@gamermole
I actually rewatched the original Wii U trailer yesterday and it does sound like they're describing just the gamepad to be honest. So I might retract that one.
@DanteSolablood
"Clerk: It's not an Xbox or PS4.
Customer: SOLD! SO TIRED of First Person Shooter 29."
If that were the case, Wii U would have sold a billion, not 13 million.
For the record, I like the Wii U, I like the Gamepad, I like some of the games, I even like the name (though the logo is horrific, "U" should be as big as Wii, not a little tiny superscript after thought.)
What I didn't like about the Wii U was the price. Wii sold b/c it was $249, Wii U should have launched at $249, even if that meant taking a loss on hardware or selling the Gamepad separately for those who wanted it. Wii U at $299 next to X1S and PS4 Slim is kind of absurd. And of course the lack of AAA 3rd party games, and the horrific choices on first party games like AC:aF.
The hardware itself had potential, Bayonetta 2 is quite beautiful and I believe graphically good enough to compete w/ some games on any other consoles, but that isn't enough.
And I do worry Switch will be priced too high as well. Priced too high as a portable, or price too high for its power compared to the other 2. It won't be priced too high as the only hybrid console, but Ntineod needs to sell that point to people, and that wont' be easy to do.
@gamermole "nah its definately 6.2 or 6.5 inches"
Well yes, the SCREEN might be that size, but look at the 2 borders around it, the black around the screen and then the gray body around that.
Compare that to a 7" Samsung Tab 4 and the entire tablet looks smaller.
Look at what a difference just 1" makes. This is a iPhone 7 w/ a 4.7" screen vs a Samsung Note 6 w/ a 5.7" screen.
1" can make a lot of difference in overall size, and that border on the Switch I think will make it big for goggles.
@JaxonH
"But arent you concerned you cant have two screens at once?
Two screens at once? Who the hell needs two screens at once? Didnt that Wii U console do 2 screens? If i wanted 2 screens at once Id buy that"
You have such a high opinion of humanity and the buying public.
I do think gamers who own a Wii U and 3DS will see it that way, but the 87 million people who bought a Wii but not a Wii U will simply wonder what that jigsaw puzzle design is all about.
Guess we'll see. But ultimately hardware doesn't matter, it's all about the games. Only thing that matters about the hardware is the price. Nintenod needs good 1st party games, good 3rd party games, and a good price. Convincing people of that price may be the biggest concern. You are getting a PS4 and a Vita in 1 box, that can't be cheap, and if people view it that way, it's a win. If they see it as an underpowered home console, they lose. If they see it as an expensive portable w/ TV out, they lose. It's an uphill battle, they are going to have to win it, nobody is giving them a pass. Saying - "No comments until 2017" is not a very good start.
@Lewieboy124 I'm waiting on Splatoon until we know more. I could live w/o the map touchscreen jumping as I tried to never use that as it mostly got me insta-killed, but I would never play it w/o gyro controls. You're right, it wouldn't be Splatoon w/ gyro controls.
It's too soon to say. My kids will probably want a Switch at some point, they like to many Ntineod franchises not to get one, but it will probably be awhile for them as well. Pokemon Clouds and Stars, whatever the next 1 is, they'll need it for that.
@dres "The NS is "The Nintendo Console" for all gamers!!!"
Well I know that and you know that, but how does Ntinedo convince the rest of the world of that?
3 types of people:
People who will like and be happy w/ the hybrid.
People who will think it's underpowered for a new home console.
People who think it's too expensive/big for a portable w/ TV out.
Nintnedo needs to convince people in those other 2 groups to get into the first group. Saying "No further comments until 2017' is not off to a good start in doing that.
@rjejr Actually I disagree, I think the WiiU had it's own unique problems that damaged it's sales. I love Nintendo & hate the repetitive FPS led nature of games on other consoles... but even I couldn't invest in the WiiU. For a few reasons.
-Confused branding & small number of launch titles.
-Public disagreement and departure of key third parties.
-Games aimed at multiplayer having poor/no online support.
-The sheer negativity surrounding it even from some in the community.
-Sabotaging themselves by releasing new handheld iterations draining Nintendo supporter money AWAY from their console.
Now these were my personal issues with the WiiU & why I never purchased despite adoring Nintendo. And I personally feel that the Switch is already starting to address some of these issues... we have a better idea of that it's about, third parties are saying they like developing for it and they CAN'T release a version of the 3DS or new handheld shortly into it's life because the Switch IS a handheld.
As for price, the 3DS launched for $250 while also being drastically less powerful than the consoles of the day & people were already aware that the much more powerful Vita was around the corner.. it did fine & would have done better if it wasn't for a lack of launch titles (seriously Nintendo, get your flupping act together!). The problem is underpricing can damage hardware sales too, it adds to the perception that something is a toy and also makes people question quality - this is known as the Goldilocks effect (a well known phenomenon) where people buy the middle priced of three identical items with different names. Also, look at the iPhone, almost twice as expensive as a Samsung, yet it's less powerful & made of components largely provided by Samsung. Apple deliberately price high to make the iPhone a status item.
Oh, as for second screen issue, I think the Switch will work on a TV out of the dock as well & act as a second screen. I think it would have been a MASSIVE mistake for Nintendo to show this in their trailer as it would have REALLY diluted their message. I could be wrong though.
@DanteSolablood "as it would have REALLY diluted their message."
I still don't think they have a message yet. Showing something isn't the same as presenting a message. And we won't know what that message is until we see what the games are and what the price is. And that may not happen until next year.
And if you don't understand what I mean by them not having a message yet, think of your average car commercial. You see a car, it looks nice, they never have ugly cars in commercials, but what is it? Is it a cheap car w/ great gas mileage, or a luxury car w/ great amenities? It's hard to tell from just 1 commercial. Switch could launch cheap w/ nothing but Wii U ports, expensive w/ a lot of 3rd party support, in between w/ a lot of 3DS type games and remasters. I'm glad they finally showed us what it is, but I'm not buying a car from a photo, I need to take it for a test drive and ask some questions first.
@rjejr It's true that you can't buy something from a photo, but then a lot of products gather interest before revealing every detail. The Xbox360 & PS4 were both announced about 8 months before launch and we didn't learn the price until AFTER the announcement. It's true the Switch is a couple of months behind that... but then there was a leak to say that they wanted the reveal trailer to come out in September but need put it on hold until the Mario game was running more smoothly.
Nintendo isn't doing anything that other manufacturers have done in the past & we will definitely find out about price and get an idea about the power before it's launch. Personally, and this isn't about you specifically... but a lot of people were burned by the failure of the WiiU and are unfairly hammering Nintendo with negativity that no other manufacturer would get. If it keeps up THIS badly on even a Nintendo gaming site, all this talk of a Switch failure will be a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Think about it, the console was revealed a few days ago & already we have people stating that it's too weak... without even a CLUE how powerful it is. We have people saying it's too expensive, without knowing a price. Yet Nintendo has not done anything Sony or Microsoft would do to much applause. Ugh.
@Naisho That's...BRILLIANT! I'm calling it that from now on!
@Aneira Shenmue 3 is currently in production.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3
http://shenmue.wikia.com/wiki/Shenmue_III
@DanteSolablood "Think about it, the console was revealed a few days ago & already we have people stating that it's too weak... without even a CLUE how powerful it is. We have people saying it's too expensive, without knowing a price. Yet Nintendo has not done anything Sony or Microsoft would do to much applause. Ugh."
And it's only gotten worse since Tuesday hasn't it? No backwards compatibility, only 2 million at launch, only 16GB carts. (sorry, busy week)
And I think it will only get worse. Sony and MS don't announce something and then say - ok, we are shutting up now, come back in 2 1/2 months. I don tthink either woudl should a 6" tablet screen and not say if it was touch or not. People I think have a reason to expect the worst from Ntinedo now. PS3 and Xbox 360 were HD, Wii was SD. PS4 and X1 had 500GB HDDs, Wii U had 32GB. So maybe people are wrong, maybe Switch will have the best graphics and largest HDD available at launch, but why should anybody think that?
And for a lot of people, when you refuse to answer a question, they just think you aren't answering it b/c the answer will be bad. That's just human nature.
For me personally, my biggest problem is Ntinedo is doing this all backwards. Wii didn't sell well b/c it was under powered and SD, Wii U didn't sell poorly b/c it only had 32GB of storage, it's all about the games. Wii sold b/c Wii Sports was bundled w/ it and everybody wanted Wii Sports. Wii U was bundled w/ Nintendo Land, did anybody really NEED to spend $350 to play Nintendo Land? People buy Xbox to play Forza, Halo and Gears of War, but they also know they'll get Madden and FIFA and COD. People buy PS b/c they know they'll gt God of War and Uncharted but they'll also get Madden, FIFA and COD. If Nintneod wants to sell Switch, put games on it that people have to have, then power and storage won't matter. Show the games, if it has the games people want then they will buy it. Showing off hardware and then saying - We'll tell you about the games in 2 1/2 months, and disregard those games i the trailer, those aren't real - isn't the way to sell the hardware. The hardware isn't supposed to sell itself, the games are supposed to sell the hardware. Nintendo showed us the tires and they expect us to buy the car sight unseen. Backwards.
@rjejr Actually, Sony & Microsoft did announce consoles and then pretty much shut up for a month, though Microsoft did get caught out lying and had to fire the person running the Xbox project... but otherwise you're close. The difference is Microsft & Sony fans seem to be more supportive of their brands.
No physical backwards compatability? Been through this several times with Sony, Microsoft AND Nintendo, this is nothing new... when you have a big power boost it's impossible to have physical backwards compatability sometimes. Deal with it, you can't play Gameboy Adance games on the DS or 3DS, cry me a river.
As for 16GB carts, lets look at that. South Park the Fractured But Whole - 5.2GB. COD3 -11GB. Tekkan 7 - 8GB. Remember, the rumour is stating the STANDARD size cart would be 16GB... much larger than the STANDARD game.
I won't go into too much depth about this as I could easily just go through everything & debunk it, because we already know the Switch will be HD in console mode and rumours state it will have SDXC support which potentially takes storage up to 256GB just based on existing cards( & 1TB possible). For all we know it could come with a 500GB card. But in either case, it is just people being extremely negative.. last week people were saying the Switch DEFINITELY WOULDN'T HAVE A TOUCHSCREEN WHHHYYYYY NINTENDO!?!?!?!!?! HAXXX HAXXXX.
Oh, as for showing off the games.. remember the rumour was that the teaser trailer was held back from September because the Mario Game wasn't running smoothly. You think if Nintendon released footage of a choppy unfinished Mario game with Luigi clipping through a wall it would sell the Switch? Madness!
However, I think Nintendo has got time to correct this & I believe everything will be layed out in January. Again, this isn't too far off the timetable when we were learning about the PS4s and XBoxOnes launch lineup. Just Nintendo fans seem to self-hate a lot more.
@DanteSolablood I think Sony earns their fans support, MS tries, not sure how successful they are, feels like we haven't had a sales number for X1 in 2 years.
PS3 came out at $500 and $600. Sold poorly. Sony put in bigger HDD, and took out bc, and lowered the price, again and again and again. Announced PS4 at $400, it's been selling well.
MS had X1 for $500. Few months later dropped Kinetic to $400, then $350, then $300. Then X1S w/ a 4k UHD blu-ray drive.
Nintendo launched Wii at $250, sold 100 million. Launched Wii U at $299 and $349. Didn't sell, dropped the cheap model, lowered the Deluxe to $300. 3 years later, Wii U is still $300 despite not selling. And so few games, and Wii U went from being a 2015 U ever cluster to a 2017 Switch game.
So, if Sony and MS fans are more supportive, maybe the companies give them more reasons to be. Games and price, price and games, will buy you a lot of fans.
@rjejr So what are you trying to say? Microsoft & Sony launch more expensive, usually charge more for games than Nintendo & have loads of MASSIVE high-publicity scandals & failures including:
-Xbox 360 being launched with known heating issues meaning the average 360 owner has bought MORE than two 360s.
-Microsoft perma-banning innocent players from online.. who then have to buy a NEW 360 to get back online.
-Sony launching both PS2 & PS3 with potential bricking issues on some units & not replacing them.
-Numerous PS3 data hacks releasing confidential information.
-Sony being sued for stealing tech for their controller and losing.
-Microsoft lying & threatening second hand games market at launch.
-Microsoft lying that XboxOne would not work without Kinnect.
-Microsoft lying that XboxOne would only work online.
-Microsoft dropping almost ALL promised "tv/media" content such as Halo TV series.. then losing company that made Halo.
-Also to note, the PS3 sales increased to parity with the 360 before the HDD increase & pricedrop.
So what you're saying is that Microsoft & Sony can treat their players like absolute crap because price (even if it's still higher than Nintendo) makes everything okay? Plus selling the WiiU at a loss like Sony & Microsoft would NOT have saved the WiiU... the WiiU was a conceptual failure based on a casual market that was no longer there & horrendous marketing. Nintendo could have dropped the screen controller & sold the WiiU at £99 and still not have managed to sell enough WiiUs to make it viable, from what I understand great 3DS sales have been supporting the WiiU as it is. Even at £99 I would not have personally bought a WiiU following the first few months of sheer inneptitude.
Just to note,as a PS2 & PS3 owner, they got boring FAST. I actually left my PS3 at my mum's house after recovering from a broken leg the year after I bought it & then never bothered to take it back. However, in that time I upgraded my 3DS & bought my mum a WiiU for Christmas.
I personally think the MAJOR negativity that Nintendo seems to be getting is primarily due to Gamecube & WiiU buyers getting burned & looking for ANY reason to opt out from getting burned again. The reason I say this is because I am a handheld gamer, my relationship with Nintendo has been amazing for the last few years (outside of the cutting the price of the 3DS by £100 the month after I bought it, f**k them for that ) and is why I am excited by the Switch. As simple as that.
The last point on price is that I bought my Nintendo 3DS for £350, then 4 years later bought a 3DS XL at almost £250 (would have been £300 if Nintendo hadn't mess up the original 3DS launch so bad) & have considered a "new" 3DS for a little while, as have a few of my gaming friends. I think this is the best example I can give of things not having to be driven dirt cheap to be successful. It's also why the Switch was always going to be part handheld because Nintendo know this is the least jaded part of their userbase.
One last thing, the game carts for the Switch are "standard 16GB", no one mentioned a limit at launch, so some games could be on larger carts at launch. Just an example of something being misreported & then becoming a false fact through word of mouth.
EDIT: This post is WAY too big... but shows the respect I have for your opinion.
@DanteSolablood "The reason I say this is because I am a handheld gamer,"
I always forget the home-handheld divide in gaming. I think Sony's screw up w/ the high priced Vita memory did to their handheld what Nintendo did to the Wii U. Sony is giving up on handhelds b/c they don't have many fans left outside of Japan, where Vita is still crushing Wii U in sales, and Nintendo is giving up on home consoles. I know they are calling this a home console, but we'll have to see what game sit gets and then decide.
I'm going to keep this one short b/c otherwise we'll never stop.
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