After what felt like a lifetime Nintendo finally lifted the curtain on its Switch console yesterday, and sent the gaming world into overdrive. The new platform is designed to operate like a home system and a handheld, and is clearly gunning for a different sector of the market to the Xbox One and PS4.
While shareholders haven't reacted all that positively, Xbox bosses Phil Spencer and Aaron Greenberg seemed to be pretty impressed with what they saw.
Spencer - who has always been quite ready to shower his rivals with praise - feels the system is a "bold" move:
Marketing boss Greenberg also had nice things to say, citing Nintendo's desire for innovation as a plus point for the industry as a whole:
What do you make of these comments? Do you think Spencer and Greenberg were perhaps a little relieved that Switch won't be competing with the Xbox One in the traditional sense? Let us know with an opinion of your own, deployed in the comment section below.
If Switch will be getting many of the same games as the XbOne, I don't see how this is not competition. I would personally rather have a game on a versatile system like the switch, even sacrificing some graphical fidelity if need be.
@jwfurness I agree. If the Switch becomes a versatile platform and its successors are, I will be giving up the PS and Xbox lines permanently.
Phil Spencer has praised Nintendo and Sony on multiple occasions. Likewise, Shuhei Yoshida has also been complimentary to Nintendo and Microsoft often.
Reggie has, um ...
Stop all this niceness! What happened to the video game company wars......
I imagine Spencer saying this while putting his hand on Miyamoto's head and ruffling his hair.
He's just being polite.
I really hope the Switch gets more third party support. If it does, it would kill that itch I have of getting a PS4 or XONE for third party games.... Mainly Final Fantasy
@Spoony_Tech Oh, they live on in the forms of fanboys
@jwfurness Can't argue with you there, though there will always be some games that don't make it to the Switch but as long as there are enough to make me happy, (which admittedly isn't particularly hard seeing as I am content with the Wii U's library), I see no reason to absolutely need an Xbox or PlayStation. I do own one though I have a feeling the Switch will be getting the vast majority of my play time when it finally comes out.
There responses give me the impression that they're potential buyers too. I think the investors are following consumers to see the reactions, and in a few months (hopefully) how good the sells could add up. Then perhaps the investors will change their attitudes. Just looking at the reactions to the trailer reveal so far from people all over the world online in blog posts and gaming forums is undeniably more positive than negative.
@Luna_110 I think it will. The way I see it all of the unique vita only developers need somewhere to go with Sony leaving the portable market.
Group Hug. Reggie's body is ready (to receive one).
They are happy for Nintendo to innovate so they can copy it later.
Btw, Nintendo Switch would be better if it's spelled Swiitch. It's more uber and modern way of naming a product, plus it embed the soul of Wii.
I can understand their praise. Switch has the potential to change the way we game. Convenience and capability in the same machine may usher in a new way that game systems are manufactured instead of the Home Console vs Handheld divide.
@Grandpa_Pixel I reluctantly bought a PS3 to pass the time during the WiiU drought (wanted to play Destiny and revisit Shadow of the Colossus) and I am so underwhelmed. Also, can't stand the crazy software installs and long load times. So glad Switch is using game cards.
@Dpishere Like you, there are so few exclusives on the other platforms that I want to play that I would be totally happy with even decent 3rd party support on Switch.
It's always to see the bosses of the major console companies respecting each other, unlike a lot of the fanboys
I must agree after spending time flitting between the Wii, Wii U and Xbox I went back to the Nintendo machines as I love the art work and comedy elements of the Nintendo IP's. I suppose I am a Nintendo fan boy deep down but yes it would be nice to have some of the AAA games on the switch for variety.
Phil Spencer is just a gamer that really enjoys gaming and thinks the machine looks cool. He doesn't pretend he doesn't play other games or systems and I think that's refreshing.
@jwfurness For me it is more that over the years there are less and less games that "Wow" me on Playstation. Sure they are pretty but just no passion. But Nintendo...well. Look at Splatoon for one. In just 3 of existence it is now a key title to the Switch. That's a Wow
Building relationships is good. Might come in handy one day if Nintendo stops making systems and starts making games for their competitors hardware.
Phil Spencer sounds sad.
I bet Phil Spencer is breathing a sigh of relief. It could be that the NSwitch does better than expecting and shifts the focus of console development towards innovation rather than power. Which is probably what Phil Spencer is hoping for because I can't imagine either MS or Sony are happy with trying to fight PC for better specs.
@BinaryFragger PRAGMATIC GAMERS UNITE!
@Grandpa_Pixel Totally agree. No magic from MS or Sony. I say it often, but I think it's apropos: Nintendo is the Studio Ghibli of video games.
Cue PS Swap and third-gen Xbox One with pullapart controller and MS surface integrated capability........
If Final Fantasy XV can run on this thing, I hope they announce it soon before I get the ps4 version.
@jwfurness Like Studio Ghibli, its reputation and good will largely survives thanks to the classics it produced in the past, even though its modern offerings have been more mediocre than not.
@Spoony_Tech And THIS, my friends, is why I love Phil Spencer. He's a fan of and respects the competition- no trolling miiverse (as the president of SCE admitted to) from this guy.
@Ralizah You have a point, but I am still hopeful for the future of both. I think the recent "From Up on Poppy Hill" is one of Ghibli's best and Splatoon, for example, is a huge Nintendo home run.
@jwfurness Yeah, I was hearing some people say how awesome it would be to play Overwatch on this. With this it would be pretty easy to set up a good local play community like you see with fighting games like Street Fighter.
@ReifuTD Would love to see Overwatch on the Switch. One of the only PS4/Xbone/PC games I've regretted not being able to play.
@mordecai about the most we can say for Reggie is that his body's been ready.
@G-Boy I thought that too. Its like he's trying to say "no I'm fine, nothing's wrong" on a bad day lol
@NinjaWaddleDee One of the things I was happy about yesterday was that with Nintendo finally revealing NS that other companies would feel free to talk about their NS games.
So far, nothing. I know it's soon, but I was hoping for 1 quick bombshell. I'll probably still get a PS4 though, too many exclusives I can't miss. FFXV or FF7 Remake would be nice though, I've been waiting forever for the Cloud amiibo reveal. World of FF would look at home on NS.
Love how the bosses of Xbox can admit these things but the Xbox gamers never can lol
I don't own a PS or an Xbox anymore, I do however love my 3DS. I'm glad Microsoft can be so polite but their opinion is completely irrelevant to me nowadays.
Well, from Microsoft's point of view, it must look like Nintendo is dropping out of the console market (which may or may not be the case). I'd be very, very surprised if Switch played host to new multi-platform games that also appear on Xbox One and PS4 - after all, at base level it's a handheld. It's nice to have Skyrim, and I'm not knocking it at all, but it's inherently a 2011 Xbox 360 game.
@jwfurness I wouldn't call Poppy Hill one of Ghibli's best works (considering this is the same company that put out amazing stuff like My Neighbor Totoro, Princess Mononoke, Grave of the Fireflies, and Kiki's Delivery Service), but it's definitely a high point for modern Ghibli. As is Splatoon for Nintendo. And, honestly, that's the reason I still follow these two companies: once in a while, they put out something impressive.
The overall drop in quality of their releases is undeniable, though.
@MetalKingShield An xbox 360 game that just got a full price re-release recently...
I truly respect Phil Spencer. He's the best at MS.
Just to further expand, many consumers aren't fanboys and will pick up multiple systems. I will likely grab a PS4 at some point and a NS (already have an xbone). Each system has a purpose and exclusives and are worth it on their own.
@Ralizah Agree. Big difference I do see is that it seems a lot easier for Nintendo to riff on their existing franchises, where it's not as common for a movie studio to develop multiple sequels to a movie.
@MetalKingShield The Switch doesn't come out until March, if you compare this to the current gen launch we'd seen very little except tech demos and some pre-renders 6 months out. Just based on Tegra's older chips the Switch could handle 360 games without opening up the throttle... my guess is Nintendo is teasing us now & will give us some big 3rd Party title news closer to launch.
PLEASE let Nintendo get this launch right!
Hahaha that screen cap is so perfect!
Now this is an example of a system selling a game. Skyrim looked cool and all, but I don't want to spend so much time on one game that requires me to be home, stare at the TV, and not take any breaks without losing the TV. Handheld? Great, bring it on.
What he means: 'Thanks Nintendo for creating another concept for us to copy for Scorpio if it takes off'. Microsoft & Sony no longer innovate, they imitate. Next thing we know, Sony's PS5 & Microsoft's Scorpio are going to use cartridges because Nintendo made it work.
@yomanation Too early to tell. Sony and MS have both committed to supporting older PS4s and Xbox systems in spite of the Pro and Scorpio being much more powerful. If the Switch is at least as powerful as the OG Xbone, then it should get support. Devs are saying that it's a joy to develop for the Switch.
@jwfurness @yomanation I was about to mention the developers. The Tegra X1 which is an older chip could handle near Xbone quality games using next to no power to do so, considering Tegra took a year out to make Nintendo a new chip, new software I can't see the Switch being any less powerful that an Xbone.
Microsoft and Nintendo have always gotten along relatively well and have been very civil toward one another.
Microsoft and Sony are another matter. If the dreaded day came that Nintendo went third party, I feel Microsoft would dangle some money in front of them for console exclusivity and use that to break into the Japanese gaming market just to piss off Sony.
Maybe, maybe not...just a theory.
@DanteSolablood I've read that modern game engines like Unreal 4 are very pliable too. So the Switch version might not look quite as good, but the architecture wouldn't keep it from coming to the system.
@samuelvictor Sony made so many mistakes with the PS Vita it never really stood a chance, some people were saying that from the start. My only issue with the Switch is I've not seen any portable style games, just releasing console games on a portable doesn't work.
But then the switch is a home console too?
@jwfurness The X1 ran the Unreal4 engine at the same fps as the Xbone at 10watts, takes the Xbone 100watts to do the same job. Remember that was a chip reaching a couple of years old and Tegra stopped development on their own tablets to work on Nintendo's custom chip.
I'm genuinely expecting something close to Xbone performance.
Old Tegra X1 vs. PS4 (this is on Unreal 4 engine)... remember that the Switch chip may be a LOT more powerful.
@DanteSolablood Right. And that's why I'm hopeful.
@rjejr I'm keeping my expectations low, and by low, I mean really low. I don't think this thing is going to be any more powerful than a Wii U at this point. It can run Skyrim sure, but is it the remastered version? We just don't know. And I don't even think bethesda knows! They didn't even confirm they were working on a Skyrim port when they were asked. Nintendo just got the rights to use footage. Could it happen? Probably. But I don't think we're getting near the ps4 in terms of power. I'm still buying it anyway though. Wii U quality games on the go is heaven for me.
@DanteSolablood If it reaches Xbone performance, I think we might get some good ports in the early years. Or not. We'll just see.
I sense a hidden laugh behind their words. Seems they are relieved that switch won't even compete with xbone in terms of power.
Seems that microsoft has changed since the original X-box and 360 days. I remember getting their magazine (along with Sony and my favorite Nintendo Power) back in the days, and all X-box ever did was poke fun at Sony and Nintendo. Great to see that the company matured as a whole and the new boss is a lot friendly than the previous one...the whole bashing on the other systems, was why I ended my relation to purchase anything on X-box back in those days (still have the 360 and a few games though) and always had a love and feel for Nintendo and Sony (had one for Sega back in the days too). Guess I know the two companies I'll always stick with and would love to get an X-box One, but have no desire until they start getting out some better exclusives that I would play on it...so far there's only the Rare Replay (which I have most of those games on N64) and Sunset Overdrive...i'd say Zoo Tycoon but it's out on 360 so no real care about it. I honestly have no idea what else they have to offer that's platform, adventure, party or kid-friendly.
Hopefully this kind of response keeps going and nintendo should do great with the launch of the Switch. I know somewhere that Sony really applauded nintendo too! Keep up the good work nintendo...I'll be a consumer in the system!
@NinjaWaddleDee Well the Tegra K1, the predecessor to the X1 was able to embarress the WiiU. The Tegra X1 was running the same engine & similar graphics as the XboxOne... Tegra has since had a year to work soley on Nintendo's custom processor.
The Switch will bury the WiiU in terms of graphics.
@H_Hunter Did nintendo actually mention the power of the Switch, or is it just rumors so far that are stating that it's not that powerful. From the video, it looked somewhat as powerful as an XBONE, but I could be wrong, considering that NBA and Skyrim were also released on PS3 and 360.
@JLPick The power was not mentioned, but we do know it's running a custom Tegra chip which was originally leaked as the X1. The X1 is considerably more powerful than the PS3 or 360 and more comparable to the XBoxOne.
I'm hoping Nintendo's next move is to release some footage of an XboxOne or PS4 port running at 60fps. Would blow some of the usual negs minds.
@DanteSolablood Good. I can't wait to see game freak be FORCED to make a console pokemon game.
@NinjaWaddleDee Haha, Gamefreak have already announced they are making a game for the Switch, though technically the Switch is also a handheld so it's kind of for both.
Nintendo have merged their handheld gaming dvision with their console division, so now ALL levels of Nintendo gaming will be for the Switch (and remaining 3DS games).
Edit: Gamefreak themselves are making the Switch Pokémon game... not The Pokémon Company. So it's likely to be good!
@DanteSolablood I know, and that's the most exciting part about this thing. The fact that we are literally getting EVERYTHING. As someone who prefers console gaming, but also the occasional handheld game, this is big.
@jwfurness "If Wii U will be getting many of the same games as the XbOne, I don't see how this is not competition. I would personally rather have a game on a versatile system like the Wii U, even sacrificing some graphical fidelity if need be."
Fixed it for you.
Also, sentiments like the above sure didn't reflect in the Wii U sales numbers. I expect much of the same on Switch.
@gatorboi352 You're a funny, funny guy.
Nintendo is pretty selfish if you think about it..
When you stay out of the market wars and do your own thing, you tend to have a better chance of being praised and respected by the players in that war.
@hieveryone How are they selfish?
It's nice to see comments like this. This industry would be better if statements such as these were frequently and genuinely made. We all benefit from the many pursuits and [hopefully friendly] competition of these video game companies. I am impressed, Microsoft.
@JLPick You have to read between Nvidi'as lines to try and figure out the power. They seem very proud of it, but don't say exactly what it is.
@NinjaWaddleDee I'm not sure about power either. I've owned a Wii U for 3 years waiting for this game to show up that I bought the system for. I've never seen any game on Wii U have graphics anything like this. Not even XCX or Paper Mario, which looks great. They spent an entire E3 showing it to everybody, never to be seen again.
@NinjaWaddleDee There's nothing wrong with keeping your expectations in check. But, "no more powerful than the Wiiu"? Come on. You gotta give Nintendo more credit than that.
@CircuitWrangler3 I mean, they've been guilty of it before with the transition between Gamecube and Wii. The Wii was just a gamecube with motion controls pretty much.
@faint vita devs won't move to switch, they are more likely to go 3ds seeing as the switch doesn't have a touch screen like the vita
Rocket league was ready to do cross platform between Xbox and PS. But Sony won't sign off on it whereas MS did. Hopefully bring rocket league to switch and do multiplatform between PC, XBOX1, & NSwitch.
Can't wait for me details!
The industry is a lot more open and friendly than it used to be, especially as companies have more established histories. The reality is that a lot of people who are in the industry seriously enjoyed Ninty titles in their youth, so there will be a natural admiration there. Also quite a few people have worked at different companies so people know
I remember a story from Kyle Bosman of Easy Allies at this year's E3. He and Shuhei Yoshida of Sony were talking. He asked him what he was excited about. Kyle said Zelda. Shuhei said "me too!".
The fact is that people who work in games get excited about games. Yeah, there will be some business aspects of it, but I think a lot of it is friendlier than it used to be.
Uh oh, this is bad. If MS praises Switch, it's because they think it doesn't look very good, and might even be another Wii U level flop.
@Turniplord where did Nintendo say it didn't have a touch screen? Most vita games didn't use it (Japanese ones) The switch will end up replacing the 3ds.
@Mahe they praised the PS4
@faint Well there has been no mention of a touch screen, plus once its on the dock you can't access the screen anymore, so having touch screen compatibility would be useless and would cost more to produce as it would only be active during portable mode and would require the devs to program extra functions to allows it (one of the reasons the wii u lost 3rd part support was because they had to develop their games with the wii u gamepad in mind)
And regarding most vita games not using the touch screen, I have a load of vita games, about 100+, and apart from maybe 1 or 2, the rest all use the touch screen (most don't bother with the rear one though as that one is pointless).
I just don't see why people believe this is a replacement to the 3DS - there has been no mention of the 3DS stopping production, or that this is replacing it - Nintendo have numerous times said it is NOT replacing the 3DS. The 3D is truly portable and pocket sized as it is their flagship handheld, plus with the 3D and dual screens, it offers things the Switch can't do. Both products can easily exist side by side, one doesn't threaten the others existence.
It's just business courtesy. It doesn't mean anything. Although at least he took the time to reply and say something polite. He didn't have to.
@mordecai Reggie isn't afforded a social media presence!
@jwfurness You are correct. Also, you should look at Epic running the latest Unreal Engine using the X1 chip. ALL the Unreal Engine features were enabled, and Nvidia even added HDR, Speculative lighting and PhysX. Now, even if Switch does not use the X2 chip, it is likely the custom chip it does use is going to be a bit more powerful than the X1, which would bring its graphics capabilities more in line with the original Xbox ONE and original PS4.
The Z1 was equivalent to Nvidia`s GTX750ti, which is only slightly less powerful than what is currently inside the other two consoles.
@Turniplord Good point. They both use cartridges, and, and this is the big part, as long as the architecture is not too different, porting Switch games to the 3DS would be quite simple.
Obviously, playing the same game on the 3DS would be different, 3D effect, lower resolution, lower graphics and lower CPU performance, but it would still enable Nintendo to streamline their software divisions into virtually one market, thus enabling more, and hopefully better games from Nintendo.
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