I've been already looking forward to this game as a massive fan of the original two games (mostly the sequel), but seeing the glowing reviews it's receiving is really driving up my hype for it.
@Tokio_Morishima I definitely understand this, especially since Suda games are always so divisive among reviewers who aren't into the appeal of his games, I just think the issue stems from trying to write a standard video game review when the game really isn't reviewable, the game's niche appeal makes it pretty hard to explain or recommend to general audiences. I really think you need to get in the right mindset to fully enjoy TSC.
I do think the opportunities to save your progress were pretty slim, as you could only save during controllable segments which could be pretty infrequent in story heavy chapters. This wouldn't normally be an issue as I played each chapter start to finish in one sitting, but 2425 did crash on me a couple times and I had to sit through quite a lot of text to get back to where I was, so I was pretty worried during long story sections. I do agree that gameplay parts were pretty straightforward for a visual novel (with one infamous section in LifeCut as an exception).
@KateGray I think this is a really tough question to answer, and one that really showcases the flaws of the review's number score. Often readers are much more likely to skim through the actual review to get to the summary and review score to see if the game is good or not by comparing the score with other game reviews.
The problem arises when people use review scores to justify their decision to either buy a game or dismiss it entirely, ripping away the nuance intended by the review's author and reducing it to an arbitrary number value. Games offer experiences that are subjective to each person, and game reviews have a great opportunity to capitalize on that by sharing the author's own experiences, but number scoring often isn't conducive to this.
The problem amplifies on websites like these that show each game prominently with their own Definitive Nintendo Life Review Score before you can even navigate to the review. This is why Suda megafans missed the polite warnings in your review and went directly to the comment section to call it bad because you gave the game a 3/10.
For the record, I think your review was great and you explained your experience with the game really well. Suda games definitely aren't for most people, and I don't envy your position of having to write this review on something with such divisive appeal and a small but incredibly vocal fanbase.
Wish there were boss fights to coincide with the update friends, but they're pretty fun to play as. Interested in what other update friends they'll add...
I'll be getting this launch day, I was initially kinda suprised at the review scores but honestly they don't really matter to me in this case. I love Kirby games, and this looks fun for both single player and couch co-op, so it's a day one for me. I loved the demo, especially when I figured out how to immediately slaughter any of my allies at will.
@Magrane Same, it's also kinda hilarious to see Nintendo lead people into a world of speculation about which console Odyssey would land on, when the console wasn't even revealed at the time.
I'm excited for Star Allies, despite all the criticisms the game recieved. It's not even out yet, and from what I played in the demo the allies are completely optional outside of specific puzzles, but even then they usually spawn in enough enemies for you to solve it.
After playing through Bayonetta 1 + 2, all I need right now is a cute and easy game like Kirby.
@JedRock I believe in some Wii U games you could just hold a button like in that DK Nintendo Land game, I'm more interested in those levels with those glowy blocks that you have to tap to move, though that could just be a button press like the mic situation.
Me? I just want a new Warioware game, I could see myself wanting more information on Bayonetta 3, Hyrule Warriors DX, that Yoshi game, or games that haven't been announced officially yet, like a new 2D Mario, or a Smash Bros Wii U port, but honestly what I need right now is just some classic pick up and play Warioware. It's been too long.
All great games, but not ordered right in the slightest. My #1 would either be Celeste or Steamworld Dig 2.
Also, do Rocket League, Snipperclips, and Monster Boy really count? Sure, they started off digital, but they've all gotten a physical release within the Switch's first year.
I haven't even 100%ed my save file yet, I've been way too focused on speedrunning the game and the newly added Balloon World that's pretty much the most dangerously addicting thing to ever grace planet Earth.
I'm fine with this, especially considering if they're tinkering with play activity we could get a full on Activity Log like the 3DS that counts the exact time you've been playing and not in set intervals of 1-5 hours.
Club Nintendo was really something special, but like others I invest in a ton of $10-$20 eShop games. Being able to save even a small fraction of the price is nice, especially considering the alternative to this program is most likely nothing at all.
@GoldenGamer88 Yep! When Nintendo was in that groove of releasing a major game/port onto Switch pretty much every month, my backlog just grew and grew.
Now that that trend is starting to slow down and I actually have time between releases to catch up on my backlog, I'm gonna try to get back into Splatoon 2, after I beat Bayonetta 2 for the first time.
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Re: Review: OlliOlli World - A Radical Departure And A Must-Play
I've been already looking forward to this game as a massive fan of the original two games (mostly the sequel), but seeing the glowing reviews it's receiving is really driving up my hype for it.
One question though: is it grindy?
Re: Review: The Silver Case 2425 - Style Over Substance In This Pair Of Early Suda51 Epics
@Tokio_Morishima I definitely understand this, especially since Suda games are always so divisive among reviewers who aren't into the appeal of his games, I just think the issue stems from trying to write a standard video game review when the game really isn't reviewable, the game's niche appeal makes it pretty hard to explain or recommend to general audiences. I really think you need to get in the right mindset to fully enjoy TSC.
I do think the opportunities to save your progress were pretty slim, as you could only save during controllable segments which could be pretty infrequent in story heavy chapters. This wouldn't normally be an issue as I played each chapter start to finish in one sitting, but 2425 did crash on me a couple times and I had to sit through quite a lot of text to get back to where I was, so I was pretty worried during long story sections. I do agree that gameplay parts were pretty straightforward for a visual novel (with one infamous section in LifeCut as an exception).
Re: Review: The Silver Case 2425 - Style Over Substance In This Pair Of Early Suda51 Epics
@KateGray I think this is a really tough question to answer, and one that really showcases the flaws of the review's number score. Often readers are much more likely to skim through the actual review to get to the summary and review score to see if the game is good or not by comparing the score with other game reviews.
The problem arises when people use review scores to justify their decision to either buy a game or dismiss it entirely, ripping away the nuance intended by the review's author and reducing it to an arbitrary number value. Games offer experiences that are subjective to each person, and game reviews have a great opportunity to capitalize on that by sharing the author's own experiences, but number scoring often isn't conducive to this.
The problem amplifies on websites like these that show each game prominently with their own Definitive Nintendo Life Review Score before you can even navigate to the review. This is why Suda megafans missed the polite warnings in your review and went directly to the comment section to call it bad because you gave the game a 3/10.
For the record, I think your review was great and you explained your experience with the game really well. Suda games definitely aren't for most people, and I don't envy your position of having to write this review on something with such divisive appeal and a small but incredibly vocal fanbase.
Sorry for such a long and rambly response, lol
Re: West of Loathing
No review yet?
Re: Review: Pirate Pop Plus (Switch eShop)
@MedusaMadman77 So, if I like shapes and beats it's a 10/10?
Nice.
Re: Review: Pirate Pop Plus (Switch eShop)
Where's the Just Shapes and Beats and West of Loathing reviews?
Re: Random: Spot The Difference Between These Two Covers For Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Us Americans just can't handle irregularly shaped feet.
Re: Video: Check Out The Launch Trailer For Runner3
I can't wait any longer! I've loved every BIT.TRIP game so far, and this just looks fantastic. The 1.5 year wait will be so worth it.
Re: Grezzo Is Handling The Luigi’s Mansion Port For 3DS
Nice. The 3D Zelda games were fantastic, so I trust that Grezzo will do a fine job porting LM1.
Re: Leaked Labo Toy-Con Concepts Suggest Nintendo is Serious About Cardboard
Is the real April Fool us for thinking Alex is hot?
Re: Super Mario Odyssey Receives Two New Costumes
@dkxcalibur No problem!
Re: Review: Toki Tori (Switch eShop)
I've heard really good things about the game but I don't really know what to think about it, honestly.
Re: Super Mario Odyssey Receives Two New Costumes
I wonder if this means all those other outfits that dataminers found will come to the game eventually.
@dkxcalibur There was an ad for the Satellaview with Mario in that outfit.
Re: Guide: Kirby Star Allies Dream Friends List
Wish there were boss fights to coincide with the update friends, but they're pretty fun to play as. Interested in what other update friends they'll add...
Re: Runner3 Sprints Onto The Nintendo Switch This May
I was hoping this'd come out sooner, but no rush. Probably the one game I'm the most excited for in May, BIT.TRIP games are just so darn good.
@needmorecowbell...I see what you did there.
Re: Weirdness: Siri Thinks Masahiro Sakurai Is Called 'Mashed Potato Samurai'
Oh.
Re: Gallery: The Pokémon Cafe Is Just Too Cute For Words
Why can't I just instantly move to Japan?
Re: Review: Kirby Star Allies (Switch)
I'll be getting this launch day, I was initially kinda suprised at the review scores but honestly they don't really matter to me in this case. I love Kirby games, and this looks fun for both single player and couch co-op, so it's a day one for me. I loved the demo, especially when I figured out how to immediately slaughter any of my allies at will.
Re: Nintendo Is Working On The Next Mario Game, But Can't Reveal If It's Coming To 3DS Or Wii U
@Dang69 Seeing you with this kinda sentimental statement makes it even more hilarious that your name is Dang69.
Beautiful.
Re: Nintendo Is Working On The Next Mario Game, But Can't Reveal If It's Coming To 3DS Or Wii U
@Magrane Same, it's also kinda hilarious to see Nintendo lead people into a world of speculation about which console Odyssey would land on, when the console wasn't even revealed at the time.
Nintendo, you sly tricksters.
Re: Review: Okami (Wii)
Can't wait for Okami to return to a Nintendo platform.
Re: Talking Point: What Games Are You Playing This Weekend?
Still Bayonetta 2, might hop back into Splatoon 2 as well.
Re: Guide: A Kirby Retrospective: From Game Boy To Nintendo Switch
I'm excited for Star Allies, despite all the criticisms the game recieved. It's not even out yet, and from what I played in the demo the allies are completely optional outside of specific puzzles, but even then they usually spawn in enough enemies for you to solve it.
After playing through Bayonetta 1 + 2, all I need right now is a cute and easy game like Kirby.
Re: Kirby Star Allies Will Receive Free Updates Adding Fan-Favourite Playable Characters
Don't trust HIM.
Re: GameCube Classic Luigi's Mansion Rises From The Grave On 3DS This Year
Makes sense, considering a version of Luigi's Mansion was used to test the 3DS.
Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story Is Back On Nintendo 3DS With Added Content
Inside Story was always my favorite M&L game, it'll nice to see it get the Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions treatment.
Where's my Partners in Time remake though, Nintendo?
Re: Masahiro Sakurai Confirms He's Working On Super Smash Bros. Switch
I'm only wondering now if this'll be an entirely new game or a port.
Re: Indie Smash Undertale Is Coming To Switch "Eventually"
Nice. It's still a neat little game, even if it was overexposed to oblivion.
Re: Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker Makes The Leap To Switch And 3DS
@JedRock I believe in some Wii U games you could just hold a button like in that DK Nintendo Land game, I'm more interested in those levels with those glowy blocks that you have to tap to move, though that could just be a button press like the mic situation.
Re: Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker Makes The Leap To Switch And 3DS
Nice, this was a charming little game and I'll definitally get it again. What will they do about all those touch based levels though?
Re: South Park: The Fractured But Whole Brings Its NSFW Antics To Switch On 24th April
Nice that it's coming, but it never really interested me that much.
Re: Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition Will Battle On Switch On 18th May
I thought for sure this was gonna come in April, but oh well.
It comes out only a bit after my birthday, that'll be nice.
Re: Super Smash Bros. For Switch Is Coming This Year, And It's Got Inklings
Time to sell my Wii U!
I was shocked they never added the Inklings in to Smash 4 as a DLC character, this'll be nice.
Re: The Splatoon 2 Octo Expansion Will Add A Brand New Single-Player Campaign Mode This Summer
Sounds reasonable, I love the Single Player in Splatoon 2 as it is and wouldn't mind coughing up the money for an expansion.
Re: Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy Is Finally Confirmed For Nintendo Switch
Nice.
Re: GameCube Classic Luigi's Mansion Rises From The Grave On 3DS This Year
Honestly, I'm really looking forward to this. I haven't prepared my 3DS's burial yet like others, and I haven't even played much of Luigi's Mansion.
Re: WarioWare Gold Is Bringing Minigame Madness To 3DS This August
Holy heck. I need this.
Re: Praise The Sun, We're Getting A Dark Souls Solaire Amiibo
That's hilarious.
Re: This Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Linkle Mod Isn't Official, But It Really Should Be
Link + Tingle = Linkle.
Other than that, she's a pretty neat character I guess.
Re: Video: This New Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition Trailer Is Full To The Brim
I haven't checked out the game before, with all this content it might be time I change that.
Re: Random: Kamiya Threatens To "Lose Motivation" For Bayonetta 3 Unless Nintendo Grants His Switch Wishes
Oh no.
Nintendo, you better deliver him the goods. I NEED my Bayo 3.
Re: Weirdness: We've Been Sent a Ludicrously Big Box to Open
Coulda saved this for April Fools in a couple of weeks.
Re: Sumo Digital Is Teasing Some New Content For Snake Pass
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I forgot that Veni Vidi Vici actually means something, I was having some traumatic flashbacks to VVVVVV for a second.
Re: Surprise! There's A New Nintendo Direct Coming, And It's Due Tomorrow
Wow, the predictions here are pretty varied.
Me? I just want a new Warioware game, I could see myself wanting more information on Bayonetta 3, Hyrule Warriors DX, that Yoshi game, or games that haven't been announced officially yet, like a new 2D Mario, or a Smash Bros Wii U port, but honestly what I need right now is just some classic pick up and play Warioware. It's been too long.
I talk way too much sometimes.
Re: Feature: Nintendo Life's Top Ten eShop Games From Switch's First Year
All great games, but not ordered right in the slightest. My #1 would either be Celeste or Steamworld Dig 2.
Also, do Rocket League, Snipperclips, and Monster Boy really count? Sure, they started off digital, but they've all gotten a physical release within the Switch's first year.
Re: Super Mario Odyssey's Latest Update Has Subtly Changed The Game's 100% Ending
I haven't even 100%ed my save file yet, I've been way too focused on speedrunning the game and the newly added Balloon World that's pretty much the most dangerously addicting thing to ever grace planet Earth.
Re: Nintendo says Switch "play activity is still being recorded accurately in the background"
I'm fine with this, especially considering if they're tinkering with play activity we could get a full on Activity Log like the 3DS that counts the exact time you've been playing and not in set intervals of 1-5 hours.
Re: Soapbox: My Nintendo's Updated Rewards Scheme Is Anything But Rewarding
Club Nintendo was really something special, but like others I invest in a ton of $10-$20 eShop games. Being able to save even a small fraction of the price is nice, especially considering the alternative to this program is most likely nothing at all.
Re: Talking Point: What Games Are You Playing This Weekend?
Bayonetta 2 baby.
Re: Splatoon 2 Version 2.3.0 Is Now Live
@GoldenGamer88 Yep! When Nintendo was in that groove of releasing a major game/port onto Switch pretty much every month, my backlog just grew and grew.
Now that that trend is starting to slow down and I actually have time between releases to catch up on my backlog, I'm gonna try to get back into Splatoon 2, after I beat Bayonetta 2 for the first time.