Ever since the Zelda: Breath of the Wild artwork for Link was first shown off, showing a slightly more androgynous look to the character than we usually see, many of us were left speculating whether the game's hero might actually be female (or at least have a female character as an option to choose from). While this, of course, wasn't the case in the end, that hasn't stopped fans of the game creating their own mods which allow players to take control of Linkle - a female version of sorts of Link seen in Hyrule Warriors.
As you can see in the video below, this mod from Dario Rolle shows Linkle as a playable character in the game and it's easy to imagine her being included as an official offering through DLC.
Unlike many of the other crazy mods we've seen for the game, including Sonic the Hedgehog and Toy Story's Woody and Buzz, Linkle looks right at home in Breath of the Wild's world, instantly making us want to re-explore those beautiful lands once again. Players have been having a lot of fun playing as Linkle themselves, including BeardBear who has uploaded this video taking on all of the game's bosses.
So, what do you think? Would you have liked to see Linkle in Breath of the Wild officially? Do you think Linkle should have her own entry in the series? Make sure to let us know your thoughts in the comments below.
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I need to see her in the Gerudo Outfit before I pass judgement
When she runs, she just looks so manly. It's weird to look at.
Yeah, it think an official version of this would be very cool as a wee bit of bonus DLC. I mean, if they can put that daft motorbike in there--which, while fun, just feels totally weird being there imo--then they can surely put this in there too.
No cross bows, no Linkle.
If they ever make a female Link character in a mainline Zelda game, I definitely hope it is an option. Not saying I wouldn't play as a female Link, just that I want to be able to choose. It would be cool if there were slight differences between the characters too. Like Chris and Jill in Resident Evil 1.
No thanks. This is just as stupid as making Samus Aran a male.
@Prof_Yoshtonics A co-op Zelda game where "the Link twins" must work together to save Hyrule? With Link acting as tank and Linkle as ranged DPS? Maybe even Zelda herself as the healer to complete the trifecta. Could work.
Took seven comments, but finally some commonsense.
Nintendo could just make a Zelda game where you play as Zelda or you could play any other female hero character/game. Link is a male. No need to reinvent Link just to please the P.C. people.
Linkle is amazing I love her since her beginning in Hyrule Warriors :3
@Equinox I am anti-SJW but Linkle is kinda cool and cute and she isnt "forced" in my opinion
It’s really too bad. A light character creator would have added another layer to the game.
I’m sure this article is going to trigger a bunch of closet sexists.
Can she still be topless, though? owo
Now we just need Samus to be a man because we need to be politically correct right? And then zelda could be a prince instead of princess.
@TenEighty I am of opinion that a game with a playable Zelda should be a strategy one. What's the point of being a princess if you can't send hundreds of loyal soldiers to certain death?
NO WAY! Linkle is an SJW subversion of Link, and the only reason why I didn't buy Hyrule Warriors Legends. Don't encourage this Cultural Marxist nonsense.
No wonder I prefer my Super Nt.
I think it's about time Zelda saves Link's @$$ for once. LOL!
Be threatened by the overly effeminate elf boy becoming a masculine elf girl. 😆
I'm fine with adding Linkle to a game either as her own character or a genderswap. Its really not that awful to have an option.
I like it, looks like a better fit than I imagined it would be.
Why not add an option to gender-swap every character, then? I'm sure everyone would love a gender-swapped Bayonetta, or Samus, tbh. I'm sure a boy-band would do just as well as the Squid Sisters, or Marina and Pearl.
If she's the only playable character, a strategy game would be a cool route to take. If it's a traditional LoZ game with playable Zelda sections, a more action based approach would probably work better. Thinking back on Ocarina of Time, it would've been cool to get to play as her when she was disguised as Sheik.
@TenEighty spoilers Technically she did in BotW and you're repaying the favor
I'd rather have Link as a hero unit for Zelda to command. Maybe even a commander of a Link-based Hylian commando infantry or light cavalry unit, armed with swords, shields and bows, like the "legendary hero". With Goron heavy support and Rito skirmishing units, pushing out the legions of Moblin and Lizalfos.
Both Ocarina of Time and Link to the past have wars in their backstory, I think it's time for a spin-off depicting them.
Total War: Hyrule
This is an impressive mod, but I’d honestly much rather see Zelda herself officially playable before they go shoehorning Linkle (terrible name, by the way) into any future Zelda games.
@19Robb92 - what Link thought to himself when putting the Gerudo outfit on for the first time
Haha, a gender-swap in Bayonetta would be hilarious. It'd just be a guy going around pushing his scrotum towards the camera in most cut-scenes.
No it shouldn't.
There's a reason why he's called 'Link' (if it's not obvious, google it).
Besides, changing the hero of the story would completely change the story.
It's bad enough that the Warrior games feature this non-canon character. Usually I'm all for diversity, but in this case it just makes no sense.
I wish Nintendo would add some elements from Skyrim, like the ability to marry and adopt kids. He already has a house in the game.
Pretty cool. I’m not uptight about Zelda and have no issue with a girl link as an option or a character that was made for fan service being included in a future game.
"It Really Should Be" Yeah, no thanks. It looks a bit lacklustre to me, and Link should be his own character, just like Samus, in my opinion. I would rather have preferred Zelda to have her own story campaign in Breath of the Wild. Now that would have been interesting.
But remember Linkle does talk..... So the story would be very different.
And she is a very different character, may have connections to Link but from Hyrule Warriors, she wouldnt be saving Male Zelda, seems more like a time line of peace with evil guys and she protects towns from them, instead of the whole world.
Would be cool if Linkle and Zelda could team up to fight Ganon.
Or just make Zelda playable, and try to find the missing Link......
If we have a Linkle, then do we need a Zeldar? This is silly. There's already a female character in Zelda. Surprise! It's Zelda! Just swap roles.
@19Robb92 It'd be great tbh.
Also, the whole "but Linkle isn't a gender-swapped Link," ignores that you're gender-swapping Linkle onto Link in the mod. Make one with her own stories, reactions, whatever, and that's cool. It's cringe to replace existing characters with another race/gender/whatever else, just because, ignoring all the contributing factors that arise from their backgrounds that make them their own unique characters with unique interactions and personas.
@judicious_echoes I always wonder, when folks bring up "Why not male version of popular females?", is it out of sincerity or a disingenuous demand for equality?
Because some folks out there would legit find the idea of gender swapping female characters to males cool. But that request almost only ever seems to come up when people are talking about distaff counterparts.
@Sculptor I agree, but can you imagine a version of Wind Waker where you can select either Link or his sister as the protagonist, and the one to rescue would be the other one? At least in WW story I think it could work, and would be a better incentive to replay it than the outset island outfit.
@DTFaux I don't care for equality, and it shouldn't be a concern to factor in when creating a character, otherwise you're going to get a shoehorned, bland quota intended to check off a list, rather than a unique character in their own right.
I also don't care what some might find neat by erasing other characters to put their own head-cannon onto them. As a mod, sure this is cute and all, but it's silly to advocate for any sort of official version, when it makes more sense to do so for a spin-off/entirely different character (that has a different set of run animations, tbh), in their own role. It's the equivalent of black-face when that sort of stuff goes on, as ridiculous as it is to assert onto a fictional character. Archetypes exist for a reason, and are by their nature, not immutable or interchangeable.
Viva la females in video games! <3
@Equinox "SJW" and other buzzwords aren't remotely the extent of possible reasons to want a female protagonist in one's game. Or in someone else's - I've been fascinated more with female protagonists in fiction (especially adventure fiction and fantasy) since I was maybe eight or nine, so there's never been any politics in my tastes. Of course, between authorial intent and my selfish whims as an audience, only one has a worth and a meaning for a fiction work.
And unless the authors want to play around with alternate realities and R63 experiments themselves (doesn't Linkle already cover that base where Nintendo saw fit?), I see no point in swapping Link's own gender for a female protagonist's sake either. Zelda deserves to shine in a first party game more - when the team actually wants to make a game about her. Although I'd laugh my butt off if they intentionally called it "The Legend of Link"... XD
@Sculptor We'll said. Not everything needs every option. Link is male, Zelda is female, Mario is male, Samus is female, Kirby is ?
Not saying I'm against this - it's just not really necessary and has a wiff of forced political correctness about it. Also, although this version is reasonably well done - I'm not sure she is quite how Nintendo would portray her. Close - but not quite.
Plus, and I'm being firm on this - Linkle - bloody stupid sounding. Just give her a unique name.
@19Robb92 a Kill la Kill spectacle fighter starring Aikuro Mikisugi. Do it, Platinum.
"It Really Should Be"
Hurrah for vague clickbait titles. Maybe if NL is this cocky, it should make its download news each week as click bait.
"You will never guess what was released for EU/USA!"
No, just no. First off, Linkle is a cringeworthy name, and second: Link isn't even a real name. It's simply a designated term for an in-game avatar that represents the player in the game, thereby LINKING the player to the game.
So, even a female character should still be Link, not Linkle. The name is neither male or female. But besides all that, good points have already been brought up by others, such as the (back)story and the whole background of the character being firmly connected to that character and rooted in the history of the series.
Changing that would not only make no sense whatsoever, it would almost completely nullify/ignore all that has happened up to that point. And all that to placate a few thousand gamers, or maybe even less, that feel discriminated or ignored by not being able to choose a gender in a game.
Next stop: asking for a dark-skinned Link...
I'd be OK with a Zelda game - newsflash folks, the games are called Legend of Zelda, it's Zelda's world, Link just lives in it - that had a female protagonist as a lead, there have already been a couple of women worthy, the boat captain in WW, that fighter in BotW kicks butt (sorry I can't recall their names) but none of this Tinkle nonsense, that's just embarrassing, and more than a little insulting.
We don't need a female Link, we already have Link, make someone new and give them a proper name.
When they made Starfox Adventures they added Krystal (well technically it was her game but whatever) but they didn't name her Starfoxey. Sony has a new Uncharted game without Nathan Drake - he's the star of the games FYI - and it's fine with 2 women with their own names. So I'm fine with a new Zelda game with a new female hero - maybe during the 100 years Link slept in BotW to keep the bad guys at bay - or an entirely different story, there seems to be years between new Links - so have a Zelda game where a woman gets the power for a change - just don't call her Linkle. Heck call her Link, not like Link can't be a woman's name, seems pretty gender neutral to me. Not that I know any women named Link, but I don't know any men named Link either, or women named Zelda for that matter.
Just make the game good, that should be the only thing anybody really cares about. And Nathan Drake is just Lara Croft anyway, turning Lara Croft into a man didn't hurt anybody. Hyrule is a very big ever changing world, no reason there can't be game worthy women of importance there.
But the real question is, when do we get a Prince Zed game? Games need more men in power, why must we always be subservient? 😉
@rjejr We got one in the early 90s, on the CD-i. Also a co-op game of sorts with her on the DS. If they make a game that fits her role, and isn't just a skin-swap for Link, I'd be interested, but considering her role is the holder of the Triforce of Wisdom, I'd expect for something both more magic-based, and with more puzzle elements. Day-one, tbh, so long as it's not just a gender-swapped skin.
@ThanosReXXX Ah man, you beat me with all the name stuff by seconds. I do like the dark skinned Link comment, hadn't thought of that one. Maybe we can have a dark skinned LGBTQ Prince Zed and a light skinned female Link, it could be like Othello. 😎
Yeah yeah yeah SJW/feminist bullshit blah blah blah,oh its international women's day in case anyone forgot??? because its not like we haven't been reminded of every minute of everyday for the last week at least,in between the constant reminders of how discriminated they always are in every walk of life but want equality in everything they think is beneficial when it suits them,but then want special treatment,like today eh? Can anyone tell me when international men's day is?(not that i want one but hey,equality right?) or how its fine for Theresa May to make sexist remarks in the house of commons towards a man and no one bats an eyelid? By the way I don't hate women i just hate the constant bullshit that gets rammed down your throat but your told its supposed to taste nice. Anyway,Linkles a cool character and should have her own game
If Linkle weren't such a horrible name, I could support this.
@Fuz Also said "as a mod, sure this is cute and all, but it's silly to advocate for any sort of official version, when it makes more sense to do so for a spin-off/entirely different character (that has a different set of run animations, tbh), in their own role"
I don't necessarily think games "should," have an option for gender-swapped roles, or even that it's "fine" to do so, especially if the only thing it brings to the table is a cosmetic difference. Doubly-so for expecting a country that still [rightfully] recognizes a difference between men and women, and that they approach situations differently. If that's taken into consideration, though, that'd be pretty neat.
I have no issue with the mod, aside from some cosmetic complaints about the animations, rather I'm annoyed at the half-hearted call for inclusion, regardless of how bland or diluted what it is they're calling for, is.
Also, legit, Linkle is a horrible name, and obviously something the concept artists/developers were just fucking around with, and a placeholder at best.
@judicious_echoes I thought we were all supposed to pretend the CD-i games never existed. 😉
I do like the idea of more magic, I was thinking of the new blue girl in HW (I am so bad at names) while writing my previous comment. To me she's the star of the game, the one who holds it all together.
I'd much rather have a female Link than a "choose your own gender" Link, those stories never work for me, I need reasons and integral story plots. I suppose it could work either way, but I'd be leery of story incongruities. I'm playing Horizon Zero Dawn now, and while I think story wise it could work with a male lead, I'm only 20% in though, a lot of the little touches are of a girl thriving in a man's world that you wouldn't get with a man. It is a different adventure and narrative.
Real-life woman named Zelda:
You may never have met her, but you could certainly know her, from the Nintendo 3DS commercials:
@rjejr As long as a game doesn't have the over-the-top death animations and gore-porn that the new Lara Croft series had, I've no issue playing a decent game centered around a female protagonist. Guys are mostly disposable, so I don't care much about what happens to depictions of us on-screen (horrible sexist, I know), but gore-porn with women just seems too borderline fetishistic, or grotesquely inhuman.
Didn't pick up Horizon Zero Dawn, but mostly because those first/second party Sony games tend to have wonky animations, or brush up against the uncanny valley a bit too much.Playing through Celeste right now, though, and easily up there with the End is Nigh in terms of recent, quality, punishing 2d platforming.
@Equinox yes i agree
@judicious_echoes But that "shoehorned, bland, quota intended to check off a list, rather than a unique character in their own right" is more of a fear/concern at best and merely one group's disdain of a harmless option at worst.
I do agree that depending on the world/character, some choices would be far more interesting/effective than simply making a guy into a girl (or vise versa). But at the same time, I don't think it's a great idea to take the gender swap idea off the table just because of [subjective] reasons. A spin-off Zelda game would be interesting, but it won't hurt any part of the story of BotW if the dialogue/adjustments are properly made. For example: The only things that would really change in BotW are the pronouns when referring to Linkle, that she wouldn't be topless when out of costume, and how she'd be treated in the Gerudo City (which would be interesting it its own right).
But all that besides the point; you kinda answered my question. We can have a discussion about whether this one character should/could have a male/female counterpart without trying to pull the played out, insincere, "Why not a male Samus or male Bayonetta while we're at it?" Adding to the insincerity, those ideas are far more ridiculous than the context of a world where the hero is canonically reincarnated every few generations and where the timeline has been retroactively split.
Nintendo should add a free Linkle update to Breath of the Wild. She deserves it and it's International Women's Day.
Do women really need their ego stroked this much? McDonalds is flipping their logo today to honor International Womens day and the Brawny man has been replaced by a woman. International Mens Day is ignored. Do we have any mods to make female characters male?
Jesus H Christ, so many sexist jerks in this comments section.
Guys, this is just a simple, harmless video of a Linkle skin mod that someone wanted to show off.
We do NOT want to listen to any of you using that as an excuse to spew your sexist bile on such a harmless topic.
@DTFaux Men and women have different outlooks and perspectives on life, and approach situations in different ways. They also have different abilities, and it's nice that the developers of these games come from a culture that not only understands, but embraces those differences.
It's not insincere to provide analogous examples.
Deep-lore, Goddess has that [dess] suffix, in her initial human form had a thing for a boy, and the hero reincarnating (whether the same, or different reincarnations), is likely just an extension of that as to why he's remained a male. Easy to write-off with preexisting, in-series lore without much effort at all.
Also, the whole gender-swap notion is subjective in how people would view it, to begin with.
Would Linkle own the Triforce of Courage? Have any inherited effects from it, or the perseverance to overcome all odds? If she did, and was able to thoroughly triumph over Ganon/evil/whatever, then why have the Hero at all? She'd just be a palette-swapped Link at that point, or else the game would be definitively stating that bearers of the Triforce are more or less worthless, and undo much in that particular "hero's journey" arch.
"...is more of a fear/concern at best and merely one group's disdain of a harmless option at worst." What one group? I know my wife wouldn't be interested in playing a female Link, especially given how effeminate this past one was. My boy might be half-interested, but my girls would definitely choose Link over a Linkle option, because they both have a crush on him, too. Effeminate elves are the bane for any girl, I guess.
Eh. I’d take her over ponytail Link any day of the week. That being said, I’ll stick with finding an Amiibo with a green cap instead. Don’t want to risk bricking my system.
@Garage Why does she deserve it exactly? and how does she even fit into that arching story of BOTW?or is it to meet a specific representation just because? Wouldn't it be best to have a seperate kind of game made around that character instead?
Link is about as pure an expression of the classic masculine, archetypal hero figure as can be, so it would be a huge disservice and subversion to shoehorn a female version of Link into the games.
1) If Link is simply "gender swapped" with a female model, with no other changes to narrative or personality, all you have is a superficial facade, confusing the themes and presenting a "female" avatar without any qualities allowing the player to interact with a story from a genuine, feminine perspective.
2) If a female Link IS given the full treatment, then the structure of the Zelda series would have to be modified sufficiently to be unrecognizable, because masculine and feminine archetypes are very different. This also denies women the chance to explore their masculine side by acting out the masculine, archetypal drama through playing Zelda games as they currently exist. (Which many of them clearly do, because there are A LOT of female Zelda fans out there.)
I'm honestly not that fond of Linkle's concept, particularly her name. A spinoff series for her would be okay in my book if people want it badly enough (or even just keeping her in Hyrule Warriors is fine).
I wouldn't mind some playable Princess Zelda sections in future installments, and to be honest we've technically already gotten that in some form (Spirit Tracks). Being a fighter definitely fits her character; Zelda shook off the stereotypical "save the helpless princess" trope ages ago. It's one of the reasons why she's one of my favorite female characters in gaming.
I can already smell the Smash fanboys whispering Linkle for Smash...
I don't know why it matters either way. Swapping the gender doesn't change gameplay, so who cares?
@Gamer83 @brunojenso @Sculptor
Just curious if your argument is that future Links should always be male or that BOTW Link is an established male character? I can't get behind the later argument.
Gender flipping Samus & Mario makes no sense as they are singular established characters, but I don't see any reason why there couldn't be a female Link in the future; the various Links don't even share one timeline or bloodline and there
@AJWolfTill I'm not really against it at all. But good if there is a reason. Some games just let you customise your game character and BE male or female. But that's means your character actually has no character - no unique depth or development to the playable 'person'. It's just a shallow choice. If the character is just a skin it seems lazy and rather pointless. If we want a female protagonist choice in Zelda, why not have a uniquely developed character and background with at least subtle story implications and a unique name. Not this shallow Linkle nonsense.
Lol at these comments.
@ThanosReXXX It would seem "Link" is often used as a nickname for people named Lincoln
I'd pass on this. I like Linkle but only as a side character.
@Crono1973 This is a mod. Nothing to do with stroking egos. Although I doubt marching for equal pay, better voting rights and consistent work hours (which is why International Women's is a thing and not because we needed ego stroking at the time) and highlighting the inequality and mistreatment women face as a class simply because we are female has anything to do with somebody sticking Linkle or Buzz Lightyear in BOTW.
Modders always impress me. I like Linkle and would love to see the character reappear in some way, so it's good to see that she's at least fairly popular.
I have zero attachment to Link as a player character, so innocent mods don't offend me. I would like to see gender swap Mario and Samus though. Something being pointless doesn't mean it isn't fun!
"This surprising Zelda mod has gamers SHOCKED...."
"Six reasons this unofficial Zelda mod should be official. (#3 will terrify you!!)"
"Unofficial Zelda mod has fans grabbing...."
"I spent 3 days playing this unofficial Zelda mod. Here's what happened next..."
It looks like Link with a different hairstyle.
@BLAZINOAH Cultural Marxism? SJW? If you'd just mention European Heritage, we'd have an Edgelord BINGO.
ITT: Guys go on a rant about women ruining their games, when in fact there’s probably more guys who want an option to play as a girl Link then women.
If you truly believe that having he OPTION of playing as a girl Link ruins the experience for you the. Why not just continue to play as male Link?
@PlayedNSlayed I would find it cool as a gimmicky addition but nevertheless you are right that a new game would suit her better.
@ThanosReXXX "knowing about" and "knowing" are 2 different things to me. I know about a guy named Adolf Hitler but I don't know anybody named Adolf or Hitler. 😛
I named my son London, which most people think is a girls name, but the only London I knew of for a long time was professional NFL football player London Fletcher, who is a man I didn't know. Brooklyn Decker is a woman, but Brooklyn is a male gargoyle to me.
Oh, and I knew about Zelda Fitzgerald, wife of F. Scott Fitzgerald who I was a big fan of in HS and college, long before the games came out. But I didn't know her either, even I'm not that old. 😆
@Ryu_Niiyama Would you choose to be a man if you could?
@NEStalgia Somebody has been spending too much time reading trashy tabloid covers in the supermarket checkout line. 😎
@Meowpheel I've literally no idea if that's true. The only two Lincolns I know are a president and a car, and both had Lincoln as a surname, so no calling those Link, or any other abbreviation.
But where it concerns The Legend of Zelda, it has always been known that Link is not a name but a metaphor/avatar, so it's not short for anything, nor is it a male or female name.
@ThanosReXXX Well, I did say it was a common nickname for people named Lincoln, not that people named Lincoln were common
We already a female 'Link' and her name is Aloy. Go play Horizon: Zero Dawn. It's really good. She isn't a silent protagonist though, which takes a little of the Link aspect away.
@rjejr Meh... semantics. Knowing/know about, two peas from the same pod...
As a good American citizen, you're supposed to know all presidents by name, and in the right order. Now, if that is knowing, then so is having knowledge of some famous person.
I'd say they're more or less the same. For me personally, the difference you're talking about is between knowing and being familiar with, the latter being the closer relation.
But it's irrelevant, because you probably understood perfectly fine what I meant...
@Meowpheel Well, I've honestly never heard of it, so it isn't all that common, apparently. And I know my American nicknames, being one myself...
(American, that is. Not a nickname, obviously)
I so want Linkle to become canon...
@rjejr If by "someone" you mean the NintendoLife editorial staff, then, yes, I whole heartedly agree.
@NEStalgia Yeah sure I meant them, let's go with that. 😎
@Crono1973 Eww, oh by the big bang no. You couldn't pay me to even consider wanting to be male (for one your plumbing is just too much going on, for two being male doesn't make the problem go away, it just means I'd get in a bunch of fights correcting other males that want to be idiots.) I would just choose for men to stop mistreating women (and starting wars).
Besides, females are badass... so I'm very glad I drew a winning hand on the genetic dice throw. That fact that women are systematically mistreated and underestimated as a class doesn't change the fact that females are badass. Don't want to be be anything other than AA either just in case you'd like to go there as well. Wearing purple today as well!
Still laughing at this question. Would I chose to be male...oh my sides...they hurt...I can't...I can't breathe.
The character has been male for 3 decades and has kind of taken on a life of its own. I just don't see the point in changing it now because of 'reasons.' It'd be a change for change sake. If the role was reversed this wouldn't even be a discussion. The fact the Links aren't all the same to me is like the argument we should have Jane Bond over James Bond in the next 007 because the actor isn't always the same. I can get females, particularly young girls, wanting to see people they can identify with on the screen (but it's funny when guys get called sexist because of the same) and fortunately these days there's plenty of options. I don't think we need to go gender swapping Link for that reason and that's really the only legit reason to make the case for it.
The real question should be would I lose my mind and refuse to play the next LoZ because of that? The answer is of course not, although if they go the female protagonist route Zelda herself or a young Impa would be my preferred direction. The change being the Hero of Time getting pushed to NPC status. Could still make the story work that way.
@Ryu_Niiyama You should take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrhHkQhglig&t=1s
Wow this thread sure is a disaster huh? Why are you all so mad at an optional mod. Please relax. Not even touching the "buh buh buh BUT CAN SHE BE TOPLESS" stuff either, yall are actin real weird and gross about a teenage character.
Also lol @ crono trying to drag his crypto-fascist stuff into here, get out of here dweeb
@Crono1973 I can't watch videos at work, you wanna summarize? I'll wait.
@Ryu_Niiyama It's a video about how well women are doing in America and how poorly men are doing in America. You should challenge your views and check it out.
@Ryu_Niiyama He posted a tucker carlson video thats essentially "actually, the wage gap don't real and men have less testosterone now so basically men are screwed". It's the usual kinda garbage tbh
@myMaudlinCareer Isn't it interesting that people pretend that men don't have issues (or we can't talk about them without being insulted) but women are oppressed?
Link + Tingle = Linkle.
Other than that, she's a pretty neat character I guess.
@Crono1973 You went from drawing a false correlation between a mod that somebody cooked up in their spare time to international women's day (while making a complaint about national men's day even though the reason for the celebration is because women had to march and protest for workplace improvement...which is still not equal on average btw (average in 2016 was that women are paid about 80% what men are paid on average to men in the US and that is without race adding into the mix) thus making any complaint about "men's day" a moot point.
Then after I explained that there is no correlation between the two and that there is a valid and still needed reason for women to voice our issues and to celebrate our successes your follow up was to ask if I wanted to essentially opt out. Which of course added nothing to the conversation and highlights a odd view that some tend to have. To decry inequality isn't a grass is greener scenario and it's silly anyway as it is a useless and impossible hypothetical anyway. Then according to your summary of your video you have meandered to men are doing so poorly and claiming that (of course in an attempt to steer the conversation from women and women's issues...which again you started with your initial snark) that men's issues are being ignored. Which is a strawman.
Not a single person has said that men don't have issues, you stated that women needed our egos stroked and dismissed women's day as ego stroking. Which was a derision of women's successes and the challenges we still face. Also keep in mind I stated women as a class so while I'm American and those issues have an immediate impact on me, women are mistreated with varying...often stomach turning degrees of cruelty not just here but around the world. So not sure why I need to have my views challenged...noting you've said so far makes any sense to begin with. So if you would like to finish a conversation about women's issues and then afterwards move on to men's issues I'm all for it. Otherwise...here is your tiny violin.
@Crono1973 isnt it interesting that bozos act like "women can't be oppressed because it also sucks for men" as if two things cant happen simultaneously
also im insulting you because carlson's a crypto-fascist hack, i don't really care about whether you talk about "men's issues." it's when the way that you talk about them is through a lens of bad-faith arguments that don't seek any real solutions
Anyway, Video Games Am I Right
@myMaudlinCareer Feel free to debunk Tucker Carlson, I'll wait.
@Ryu_Niiyama You need to watch the video before typing a novel.
@Crono1973 "makes claims, then puts the onus on others to debunk them without giving real sources and citations to back them up" is a bad look for you imo
@myMaudlinCareer You said:
also im insulting you because carlson's a crypto-fascist hack,
Ok, then you should be able to easily debunk everything he is saying. You know he is speaking the truth here which is why you attacked HIM instead of his argument.
@Crono1973 how do you debunk a pigeon that is defecating all over your kitchen counter
@myMaudlinCareer You are laying the personal attacks on thick, we all know what that means.
@Crono1973 when you're not mad and, in fact, laughing,
@myMaudlinCareer It means you can't attack his argument so instead you attack HIM. Have a good day.
@Crono1973 [inside a locker voice]
@Crono1973 my novel was in context to what was written so far so I think I had more than enough material with which to write it. But to each their own. Happy women’s day!
I'm actually curious whether Linkle is 'owned' by Nintendo or if it's owned by Koei Tecmo (that would effect a lot whether she's seen in any future games)
Oh no, don't bring this topic up again. People get so mad for some reason when you imply that Link could be a girl.
@Equinox ... What... Really? Link being female would ruin the series? Not motorbikes, not snow-boarding, not removing dungeons entirely, not creatures flying on make-shift air rafts... But Link being female? Yeah, ok.
I'm almost fully on board with you although think the choice aspect is usually an indication the avatar is a blank slate rather than the reason they are.
To use some examples, I had 0 attachment to my Xenoblade Chronicles X or Pokémon characters because they aren't written to have ambitions beyond my own.
My Commander Shepherd is however one of my favourite VG characters ever because they feel connected to their world and their gender determines nothing except for their voice appearance and potential love interests.
Robin from Fire Emblem Awakening is another decent example of a gender flexible character who has their own arc and connection to that world.
Interesting comparison, and I do understand where you are coming from.
I'm personally very against gender swapping Bond as he is a single character played by different actors.
I was also against gender swapping Dr Who although Its not going to stop me giving the next season a go.
To me Link doesn't really seem like the same thing. As it's (usually) a different character each time I don't see a reason the next Link can't be female. I guess it's just a grey area we are a few shades different on 😉
@TenEighty @TenEighty Boi. Stop complaining about us needing a game where Zelda saves Link if you haven’t played THE LEGEND OF ZELDA AND THE WAND OF GAMALON. IN THAT GAME BIG WOOP ZELDA SAVES LINK. I I I I AM SO TRIGGEREDDDDDDDDD
@Cwiiis Do you even lore? The motor bike is an advanced piece of technology made THOUSANDS years after all the other games. Also yes for any ga,e taking place after BOTW they would have to change the whole story! I say we give her, her own spinoff just like we did to Tingle.
@nab1 Tell me nab1, how would that work? The younger sister who has never used a sword, has never learned to look both ways, who LITTERLY GIVES YOU ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEMS, tell me how. Also you guys have to think about the Lore, all the games after would have a different storyline and people like you would think all Zelda games would be sexist if WW was the last one in the timeline so the even if more came out before it in the timeline
@Ryanator "people like you would think all Zelda games would be sexist"
I think you're getting too worked up over a month old comment from a random internet stranger. Have a nice day!
you know, I accidentally keep getting dragged on by a certain mod for posting on dead articles, problem is, when the old/dead article is featured on the home page, it's kind of confusing to know whether NL wants it to continue or not.
next time, don't give me some nasty warning, just kill it and leave it to die on it's own
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