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I'm interested, though not in a buggy Switch port. Steam version doesn't seem to have any complaints about performance, so I'll get it there instead.

First time I've ever seen this game scoring this badly in a review.

He clearly does not know what he's talking and is using numbers he's just guessing off the top of his head.

So, why would any site give this guy a headline article? May as well just stop anybody on the street and get a just as informed opinion, it would be just as much "news" as this.

Really not a fan of Nintendos recent jump into artificial scarcity as a tactic. Hopefully it's not a sign of them adopting more scummy practices.

@Crono1973 Now I know you're not even reading anything, because if you were, I have answered that at least twice now. Which indicates you're arguing for the sake of it.

@tylerryan79 See above. I have already commented on that. Never once have I advocated for digital only.

@Crono1973 Again, how does that affect anything? Your problem seems to be that no one can buy the game once it's delisted, but they can as it had a physical release. Deslisting had zero effect on that.
Go back before there was a digital shop. Once the production run was over, that was it. You were forced to the secondary market. How is that different than now? It's literally the same thing.
Only now, you have a buffer zone that games linger in the digital shops for significantly longer that you can get them. This is a good thing. It's unrealistic to expect them to be there forever, though.
As I said, digital only would be the time to bring this up. In the case of a game like this that had a dual release, it just seems pointless since it's literally the same as it's been for 40 years - you have to go to the secondary market now.
Nothing else I can add if you don't get it by now or just want to stand firm on some arbitrary stand against all things digital.

@Crono1973 Roll back the sass and look at it from a different point of view.
I have no idea what the production run of this game was, but lets say it was physical only. Then what was made is it. Everyone else is ***** out of luck when the run ended however long ago. There's only so many copies to go around and someone would always have to go without.
Digital has kept that game available for much longer. Has allowed people to be able to get it without paying what can sometimes be ridiculous aftermarket prices.
Complaining about a game being delisted that also had a physical release is the most ridiculous thing to complain about. Oh, now it's suddenly bad even though the physical run ended long ago? Would the alternative of never even having a digital release have been better? Then how many people would never have even gotten it at all?
It's like some people are pushing to limit people in how they can get games (or even if they can get it, in the case of smaller production runs). Digital on top of physical gets it out there to more people, for a wide variety of reasons I've already covered. Why would anyone advocate against people being able to get games how they want? That's what makes no sense here.
I'm not advocating digital only here. I think a dual release of digital and physical benefits everyone. Exclusive to one or the other is when it's bad.

@Kalmaro Semantics. I have a differing opinion, thus I must be either dumb or acting like I am. I have no time for people who try to debate something that way, so they were ignored.
Same old thing every time a title gets removed from a digital shop - everyone who is buying digital is a moron who won't be able to play their games in 20 years time (when actually, with proper back up, yes, I will).
The assumption is that people like those who visit sites like this are the norm, when it likely really isn't the case. Average Joe Gamer doesn't care. They get a game, play it, enjoy it for a while, then move on. There's just to many other new games to be played now. People will keep copies of ones they want to replay, like they do with movies. But also like movies, the vast majority are disposable one-time play throughs.
Average Joe Gamer doesn't want to dedicate half a living room to game racks or keep them in storage in boxes for decades, especially when the other option is everything on one device.
It's not obtuse to think that game collectors aren't the norm and that majority of people treat it like any other form of media - disposable.
Case in point - a buddy of mine wanted to play some old games. He has a few still, but looked at picking some up and a system. Instead he went for the minis, which are also digital in a physical package. Because they were compact and he didn't need to bother with the logistics of having a bunch of games and hooking up systems. Another buddy opted for the Switch for his retro fix, because again, everything is just on an SD card and has little footprint in the house.
There just seems to be this assumption that everyone should be buying physical and actually wants to deal with the logistics of either having it hooked up and accessible at all times or even just storing it away. Just as physical appeals to the collector, there's a plethora of reasons digital appeals the average Joe.
As I said, there's merit to both, depending on the gamer themselves.

It's just the same stigmas everytime a digital game is delisted. What gets me is the outcry when a game is delisted. When was the physical discontinued? Why wasn't there outcry then? Where were the articles saying it was no longer in stores, so you better get it now?
If anything, the digital was around a lot longer for people to get, as is the case with virtually every digital game.

@MegaVel91 When someone starts a rebuttle off with name calling, I don't bother reading the rest, I just assume it's as similarly juvenile.

@Brumblescope Lack of storage is a moot point. If you want to keep your digital games, yes you will need to buy adequate storage and chances are if someone is buying a lot of digital they've already invested in storage. In that exact same scenario for physical, you must also have actual physical space to store games.
I get some people want physical, but I also think it's ridiculous to assume everyone wants a massive collection of every game they ever bought in their home when a drive a tiny fraction of the size will do the same thing. Yes, it's a good idea to keep backups, which would be just as prudent as taking care of a physical collection. There's so much misinformaton about digital. The first responding comment to this article is a claim that it's a fair point to not buy digital because you will somehow also lose your game when it's not for sale anymore when that's not even remotely true. I have digital purchases going back many years that still work just fine. One could also say it's nice to just be able to fire up an older system and have the entire library you bought there and ready rather than needing to either have accessible room for it or having to dig it out out of storage to play it.
Physical or digital is a personal preference, and both have just as many flaws as boons. Digital just keeps taking the same tired beating from people who either don't understand how it works or refuse any change that doesn't fit with how they've done things for the last 30 years.

Streaming is a different beast and many of the arguments against digital actually apply to the streaming format. Digital, however, can last just as long as any physical collection (yes provided the user backs it up and takes care of it).

@Kalmaro No, that's not what this means. It means it is unavailable to purchase, that's all. Peoples games aren't disappearing off their systems, no one is losing anything. Anyone who bought this will still have their copy (potentially just as long as anyone who bought it physically).
Games aren't sold forever in physical outlets either. It's no different except we don't get headlines when Gamestop isn't selling a game anymore.

I can't even vote, the only one of these I got was Shovel Knight and I didn't get it at launch and had already played it through on another system (I just wanted it on Switch later).
If this were expanded beyond launch day to launch window, I'd pick Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

How things have changed here as well. There were a LOT of naysayers around here who immediately, and for a long time after the reveal, said this would fail, how awful an idea it was, etc, etc...

Glad to see Switch proved them all wrong and then some.

@status-204 Sounds like a 'you' problem if you want to be emotionally affected by that.

They want Nintendo as their complimentary device. NSO is hot garbage, so XBox Live/Gamepass/xCloud would actually have a lot to offer many a Switch owner. Done right, with proper advertising, it could benefit Nintendo just as much. Buy this cool little handheld and you not only get Nintendos games, but also Halo and everything else Microsoft is offering.
Microsoft seems to be doing everything right currently and poising themselves well with an entire ecosystem across whatever platform people want to use it on, instead of the 90s console war Sony is still stuck in. The 90s console wars were fun, I admit, but I prefer this modern take of getting along that Microsoft is pushing.
I've always been a Nintendo/PC guy first, but the way Microsoft has been lately makes want to try out their gamepass on my PC and check out their ecosystem.

I have the feeling they may as well have just called this place 'Mario World' instead of Nintendo World, since it doesn't seem to be about anything else Nintendo at all.

I'm always amazed how many people take the side of the people being sued in these cases. She literally took their IP and sold it as her own image. How can anyone think Nintendo is the bad guy here? Most any company would do the same (and smart) thing.

This shouldn't surprise anyone. EA doesn't give a crap about the Switch, at all. They are doing almost the bare minimum with games they are putting on Switch and ones like this are likely only because they have to for the FIFA license.
Yet, somehow people buy this garbage that EA even said beforehand was going to be garbage (from a garbage company).

I don't want to toot my own horn too much, but I'm really good at this game I've gotten 1st many times and rarely finish below 3rd. This is probably the only time when I've really excelled at an online competition game.
I think it pretty much comes down to what @MustardYum said...those of us who have had this game memorized for the last 35 years kind of have an advantage.

This is really an incredible game, I've played it through quite a few times over the years. The transition from the original 4 levels into the new content was a great twist back in the day.

So much great Legacy content like this that Nintendo is just sitting on these days...

Lost Levels would really up the challenge of this game, I'd love to see it.
Other Mario games aren't as interchangeable with their content for this type of game, though. Mario 2 USA, for example has very different mechanics. Sending those enemies to someone in a Mario Bros level wouldn't work. Even Mario 3 is different enough (though would work well as it's own Mario 35)

I just don't see this game disappearing forever after such a short time span though. They said this was in development before even Tetris99, so being in development for years only to trash it after a 6 month run? Makes little to no sense.

They're both pretty good this time around, but I really don't like many of the Japanese ones because they are portrait oriented.

The power of some advertising, I very clearly remember seeing that Mario 3 commercial as a kid. I'm sure I saw some of the others too, but none really stuck with me as much as that one.

@RupeeClock I hadn't even thought of them being on the same cart I was thinking a dual-cart package (with a higher price point, since it's both).

In what's likely an unpopular opinion, I'd much prefer both games as a standard release in one package.

The lengths people go to be able to use some form of controller for their phones...it's almost as if full touch isn't great for gaming or something...

@doctorhino If you bought it physically, you still have options. You can resell it or trade it or whatever. You may end up losing some of the original price, but can recoup at least some of it. You literally have no options with digital and if these companies want the masses to fully embrace digital, they need to address these issues.

2 weeks ownership and less than 2 hours time-played are fitting requirements for a return.

And people think n64/GCN games are going to come to NSO? Laughable when they are still actively selling them at retail.

I'm not as anxious for a new model Switch as some seem to be. Nintendo doesn't always do the next-model-should-be-better thing and could go either way with it. They could make it better (3DS) or they could make the next one worse (Wii) or strip features (DS).

"ludonarrative dissonance" - I had never seen this term before this article.

Rogue-like and f2p automatically kill interest for me, just because of the associations with them.

Beat, finished or completed.....I used to say beat, back in the day. Games were pretty definitive in that you had a challenge to overcome and beat the game. Nowadays though, it's not anywhere near that clear cut. Games have optional side quests, optional DLC, post game content and so on. So, "I've finished" is more a fitting saying now, since that's when I'm done with it, not necessarily doing all optional/post end content.

"Gamer" has lost pretty well all meaning. You have people playing candy crush or whatever calling themselves 'gamers' and I'm fairly certain these people are also used in some statistics on gaming. And, in whats probably unpopular, I consider 'gamers' who do nothing but Fortnite to be in that same crowd. Yes, I know they are technically playing games.

Never liked LRG. There's catering to a niche market (which is what physical is becoming) and then there's taking advantage of the people in that niche market.

Is it just in-universe stuff? I'd be interested if there was a hefty amount of behind the scenes, making of, concept art, developer interviews and stuff like that. If its only Sonic lore, then not so much.

@Clyde_Radcliffe In this case, I agree. Many n64 games have not aged well at all. Mario 64 still shows its age with all those polygons, but its simplistic textures and bright colours holds up pretty good and I don't think I'd like it any other way

@georgesdandre We seem to be at a point now where BotW is the first open world game ever, invented all the ideas used in it and any game remotely open world or with a cartoony look is just a rehash.
Despite companies like Ubisoft using many of the open world tropes long before Nintendo ever did.

@Luminous117 Yes, I'm pretty sure WayForward is releasing both the original and Riskys Revenge digitally on Switch (which is how I will be getting them).

I mostly get the limited physical thing, but why the digital?

The CD thing in the 90s.....yeah they could make games bigger, for cheaper....but I never owned a 32-bit machine because of the CD media. My friends had Playstations and I hated the slow load times.

There's quite a big difference between limited time and limited run.
They could run 1500 or they could run 15mil.

Awesome, definitely getting 3D All-Stars and 3D World. I've hoping 3D World would get better than left to rot on the Wii U.

@playstation_king You missed the part where the PC version is also delayed to the same time as the Switch. This indicates it may not be technical or graphical issues with the Switch, but rather something else.

@imgrowinglegs The allure of using an expensive, fancy new next gen console to play a game from the previous generation must be overwhelming.

News been kinda slow? Looking for games not coming to Switch accompanied with some sort of twitter banter about it and reporting that always fills the gaps.
Hell, he hashtagged #NintendoSwitchpro.....there's an article right there!

I find it kind of weird that the video game industry seems to be the most confused and lost as to how to do anything during this. The world has changed and adapted in many other entertainment industries. TV shows are continuing, including daily shows that have hosts and interviews, bands are hosting online concerts for the time being, movie announcements and news is still happening (including news of delays and whatnot). Sure it sucks to see movies and stuff delayed because of it, but at least they're telling us whats going on.
Large portions of the video game industry, however, seem to be at a grinding halt. They can't do things exactly how they want, so they're just not doing anything. A lot of refusals to talk about it, to continue announcements online, to say anything about how its affecting them, talk about delays, unwillingness to adapt, some just going almost completely silent (Nintendo).
Not all of the industry is being that way and maybe it just seems more prominent because I follow it more closely....but come on, it's time to adapt. The worlds not going back to the way it was anytime soon.

Wow, some people are reading way too much into this. This isn't even a "next-gen" game, considering it's also releasing on the current gen.

Only thing of interest here to me is a collection of old black & white Final Fantasy games.

A multiplayer game that you can't play multiplayer locally nor with anyone outside your own region. SquareEnix is poised for a runaway success!

This was a game I had been looking forward to and did wait for the Switch release, but ended up skipping it. The reviews of how poor the Switch port was turned me right off it. It's been since relegated to possibly someday on massive Steam discount for me.

The surprising part of this, is reading just the headline I thought that he was surprised given the state the game was in when they released it, which is actually what surprises me.

This whole digital VS physical is just exhausting at this point.
Who really cares what other people are buying? Just buy the format you prefer and be done with it.

Fits where it does now. Much like Sony, sites such as this one are stuck in the past console wars. There isn't one anymore, at least not like it used to be.
Nintendo carved out a new market bridging home and portable gaming. Microsoft is in the middle of transitioning to a digital/streaming/gaming service structure. Sony is still in the mindset of the console wars of the 90s.

Regardless little will change for me. Switch will still serve as a companion to my gaming PC. Microsoft is the only other one enticing me, and that's because I don't even need their console, it's their service I'm interested in. Sonys stubbornness about playing well with others (and only doing in a limited fashion to negate the negative outcry from players) and 'play it our way on our hardware or you don't play' attitude just doesn't jive with me in this day and age.