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First Impressions: Stardust Amazoness

Posted by Damien McFerran

Arc System Works swaps fighting for dungeon-crawling in this saucy RPG

Arc System Works may be famous for the Guilty Gear and BlazBlue series of fighting games, but the company is broadening its horizons somewhat with dungeon-crawling 3DS RPG Stardust Amazoness. Starring an all-female cast trapped in a futuristic prison complex, the game showcases character designs by enigmatic Japanese illustrator Miyama-Zero.

We've spent some time with the recently-released Japanese eShop demo and have found the experience to be pretty straightforward as far as the genre goes. The first-person exploration sequences see you moving one tile at a time, with puzzles amounting to little more than pushing buttons and finding which doorway has opened elsewhere on the map. There are plenty of conversation sequences between the large-eyed (and large-chested) anime cast — most of whom appear to have a very liberal attitude to clothing themselves in the cold, unforgiving recesses of space.

Movement is handled by the D-pad, with 'up' taking you a step forwards and 'down' moving you in the opposite direction. Left and right allow you to turn 90 degrees on the spot, while the L and R shoulder buttons permit strafing. Aside from interacting with doors and other environmental objects, there's not a lot else to see here; objectives are marked by exclamation marks on the map (which is displayed on the bottom screen) but aren't represented by anything physical in the first person view, while enemies are invisible. Combat takes place randomly and without warning — just like the good old days / the bad old days (delete as per you own personal taste) of RPGs .

During these moments you have to select various offensive or defensive moves, and success in battle grants experience points which in turn allow each fighter to level up and learn new moves. Each team member has a battery level which drops after you instigate a move — a mechanic which forces you to recharge when the gauge falls to nothing. Another tactical element is the use of Action Points, which are consumed by each move and shared between your group. Powerful moves require more than one point, which means that sometimes you'll need to let one of your party sit out a turn in order to execute them.

However, the most notable element of the game has to be the questionable "Climax Phase", which occurs when you defeat one of the female characters in the game. Using the 3DS touch screen, you need to — ahem — "tickle" the character is various places to make them "yield". No further description is required, really — just check out the video below, which recorded for the purposes of science. Honest.

The chances of Stardust Amazoness getting a release outside of Japan are slim, which — despite it looking like some of perverse Otaku fantasy — is a shame. Visually it's fantastic; if you can look past the unflattering attire you'll realise that the character models are highly detailed and well animated, and the pumping soundtrack is excellent, too. The dungeon-based exploration elements may be simple, but they call to mind the likes of the Etrian Odyssey games and (casting our memories even further back) Sega's excellent Shining the Holy Ark on the Sega Saturn. However, there's no escaping the fact that the subject matter is highly dubious; the saucy "Climax Phase" would surely cause some furrowed brows amongst concerned western parents. However, with Senran Kagura Burst receiving a release in this part of the world, who knows? Would you be keen to play this title? Sound off in the comments to let us know.

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SchamMan89

#1

SchamMan89 said:

Even if there is a good game in there, it's hard for me to get past the way it's portraying women.

Gioku

#9

Gioku said:

Wait, um, that one on the far left in the artwork at the top... what's going on there? That's, um... rather close to being unacceptable... like, really really close... like as close as you could possibly get... 0_o

crazyj2312

#11

crazyj2312 said:

As ridiculous and saucy as it is, it has the equivalent of an M+ rating in the US so at least it's not marketing itself as a game suitable for all ages to play

Falchion

#15

Falchion said:

Um... The end of the video makes me say definately no way... I mean whats going on there? I am always afraid that these games that focus on the sexual aspect are just trying to mask a poorly designed game

Gioku

#16

Gioku said:

I feel like I'd feel guilty playing this game; because I'd realize "you know what? I'm not playing this because it's got a unique story or gameplay... I'm playing it because it has has... um... yeah". :$

Sentinator

#17

Sentinator said:

@Gioku You shouldn't feel guilty. If you are like me you see the appeal in this type of thing. And we aren't harming anyone right? I wish they did more games like this because I love these types of games.

WitchSugoi

#18

WitchSugoi said:

That Climax Phase is... something else.

If this were a pure 3D fighter I'd be all over wanting this game localized. Not a dungeon crawling fan at all and aside from the ahem Climax, the rest of the gameplay looks pretty boring.

Xiao_Pai

#19

Xiao_Pai said:

...If I wanted to...erm, play that game, I'd just use the internet, lol. I just can't see myself playing this kinda of game on my 3DS, it would just feel...awkward. xD

TheGZeus

#22

TheGZeus said:

...Japan...
It's not that I don't think we have a market for such misogyny in the US, but it's so much more acceptable in Japan.
Then again: GTA.
Hmmm...

Weedy

#23

Weedy said:

That was very... scientific. Vital research carried out by Prof McFerran!

ShadowFox254

#24

ShadowFox254 said:

sees Miyama-Zero known for High School DxD and Oda Nobuna no Yabou This game is going to have one hell of a fan service. :P

Tractavus

#25

Tractavus said:

Umm... the climax is well... um... ahem... interesting
If it was not put into the game, I would be happy to have it come to Canada.
However, now I'm not so sure.

Feight

#26

Feight said:

To me it looks uninteresting. I hate fan service and although Climax would satisfy my screen-pressing desires it would leave me wanting for other things. Like a better game.

JaxonH

#27

JaxonH said:

ha.... haha.... oh those Japanese and their core-to-the-bone RPGs with half naked women... hahaha...

Kaze_Memaryu

#29

Kaze_Memaryu said:

I don't mind the fanservice at all - I have much more of a problem with people calling this awkward. Honestly, there isn't even a plausible reason to that!
Calling this sexist, for example, is just plain lousy; sexy girls are more complimenting to females in general than they are supposedly insulting. The problem is just the over-sensitivity of some people who think they talk for all women on earth (of which some actually like fanservice), since they exaggerate all day about nonsense.

The only problem I see with the game itself is that it's seriously bland in terms of gameplay. Dungeon-crawlers like these already exist in superior versions (Etrian Odyssey, Soul Hackers), so RPG fans will be disappointed. But if the full version offers enough content and strategic value, I'd gladly vote for a localization.
However, Arc System Works shouldn't rely on internet hype; they should actively advertise it on the eShop (with Nintendo's permission, of course) and spread the word as soon as possible to generate as much interest and hype as possible.

BakaKnight

#30

BakaKnight said:

The Otaku in me is making impossible to judge objectively this game XD

To be fair Japan maybe get too many of these "weird" games, but it's a shame that almost nothing get here... I really wouldn't mind to see this get oversea especially since this game looks even nice outside the clear fanservice aspect.
How to say...Good gameplay+fanservice makes very hard to ignore a title ^_^;;;

SMEXIZELDAMAN

#32

SMEXIZELDAMAN said:

First person dungeon crawler would be nice...but eff the way they portray women in this. Shame to the genre of dungeon crawling G T F O!

ZeroxGT

#33

ZeroxGT said:

I wouldnt mind it being localized.. We have enough games that show gun use,drug use, alchol use, abuse language, and tons of suggestive themes so to the folks saying no to it.. just be honest.. we have enough of it here so it wouldnt hurt to have more. prolly be eshop only anyway

DracioKoi

#34

DracioKoi said:

The gameplay and combat animations looks boring. I would try it but I don't see myself liking it.

Zaphod_Beeblebrox

#35

Zaphod_Beeblebrox said:

That "climax" phase. Geeeeeeeez. Is that in a consensual context? It doesn't look consensual. Ugh. I'm no prude (I'm not bothered by nudity at all) but the psychology of this just looks messed up.

JebbyDeringer

#36

JebbyDeringer said:

Fan Service? Sorry this is in no way empowering to women. Most of the women that think this is completely harmless are the type that don't have the body to pull these outfits off. The ones that do know what it's like to be ogled on a daily basis.

eaglebob345

#37

eaglebob345 said:

@Gioku You know you wanna, it's in our nature.
On a side note, I wouldn't feel uncomfortable playing it because, it's uhh, just tickles, Yeah, that's it!!

Falchion

#38

Falchion said:

@JebbyDeringer i think that is a rude over generalization. If adults want to buy this game let them but it is blantantly sexist and i think most girls/people would realize that

kupo

#40

kupo said:

@TheGZeus
This isn't "misogynistic", imho. It's perverted, but not hateful. It's not like you can have sex with and then kill these women like you can in GTA. Or at least I'm assuming you can't do that.

element187

#41

element187 said:

RPG's are my favorite genre, I even enjoy the bad ones.... It's a shame this won't make the voyage west.

NINTENCHIP

#43

NINTENCHIP said:

Don't support this obvious cash grab.

Support Atlus with Shin Megami Tensei IV and Etrian Odyssey.

NINTENCHIP

#44

NINTENCHIP said:

@Falchion It's not sexist against women. It IS using sex appeal as an obvious method to get people to buy this otherwise poorly presented (and most likely bad) game. It's standard otaku-bait affair, but that's not usually "good" for non-otakus...which is most people. >_>

I mean, I like anime and junk, but if you're gonna feed me pron as a reason to buy a game, why wouldn't I just go watch pron and play a better game?

TheGZeus

#47

TheGZeus said:

@kupo Look up the terms "objectification" and "SEXUAL ASSAULT".
I think feeling someone up without specific permission after you beat them in a fight is pretty messed-up.

TheGZeus

#48

TheGZeus said:

@NINTENCHIP " It's not sexist against women." what is it then?
Women in scanty, stereotypical outfits getting felt up into submission.
...Do you know what "sexism" even means? This isn't the only definition, but oh it fits, alright.

TheGZeus

#49

TheGZeus said:

@Kaze_Memaryu "sexy girls are more complimenting to females in general than they are supposedly insulting. "
...You don't talk to women much, do you?
Prostitute-versions of a ninja (in a mini skirt which makes no sense) a maid (of course a servant needs to be present) a nun (yeah. nun with her breasts out. makes perfect sense) a princess, a ??? and a ...nazi?
This is a fantastic representation of women. Oh, and of course all women want to be felt up after you beat them at something. They like to be put in their place. It makes them feel empowered
rolls eyes

Shock_Tart

#51

Shock_Tart said:

hypocrisy of the day? nintendo allows this game, but shuts down swapnote for being inapropriate

froogus98

#52

froogus98 said:

Always funny to see how feminists are now the most Puritanical people in the West.

Sentinator

#53

Sentinator said:

@Kaze_Memaryu I'm curious about how females feel about this type of game and the guys like me who play it. I've sometimes heard girls find this type of thing funny rather then anything else.

shaneoh

#54

shaneoh said:

Insert Joker meme: Thor dude walks around topless in sequal and noone bats an eyelid. Game is made with scantily clad women and everyone loses their mind.

Seeing as how people are complaining about the fan service in this game, let me just say that I find the shamelessly parading around shirtless in Thor 2 to be absolutely disgraceful. It is an unrealistic and unachievable expectation of most everyday men.

kupo

#56

kupo said:

@TheGZeus:
Whoops, I didn't watch the entire video. Yep, the groping is pretty creepy. I take back what I said!!! :0

BulbasaurusRex

#57

BulbasaurusRex said:

While I enjoy some fanservice in my video games, this is too over the top in my opinion. I don't feel the need to control a bunch of criminal lesbian sluts (who were apparantly locked up on either prostitution or public indecency charges) into going to 3rd base on each other. That, and I'm not that fond of dungeon-crawlers.

WitchSugoi

#59

WitchSugoi said:

I don't think I will ever fully understand females that get upset over this sort of thing. It's fanservice. In these type of things, yes it is normal that the ones providing the service are in fetish clothing and yes most (if not all) will also be in a submissive role. There's no "empowerment" there for the characters because there's not supposed to be, the "power" belongs to the person enjoying it. Maybe I just don't get it because I'm a yaoi fangirl used to seeing males being submissive and "objectified" on a daily basis and I read comics where males are held to the same unrealistic standards as women. Or maybe it's because I obviously have "never" had guys ogle me like a piece of meat (congrats on being the dumbest thing I've read all day btw). I can agree somewhat that the climax phase is over-the-top in pervyness but I wouldn't exactly label it misogynistic.

@shaneoh

internet high five

Zombie_Barioth

#60

Zombie_Barioth said:

Eh, its really not as bad as people are making it out to be. The only "problem" is that its been turned into a mini-game and the overall presentation might be too strange and/or over the top for some people. There isn't anything sexist or even misogynistic about these things because its all indulgence, its fueled by fantasy and fetishes not feelings like hatred. Of course this isn't the sort of thing you'd share with others, but its not meant to be either.

Zeargo

#61

Zeargo said:

Probably not going to enjoy that. However, I got to say that the music sounds a lot similiar to the Detective Conan Anime music.

Kaze_Memaryu

#62

Kaze_Memaryu said:

@TheGZeus this is exactly the narrow and old-fashioned mindset I'm talking about. Just because their costumes are revealing, it doesn't make them prostitutes all of a sudden, nor does clothing in general tell much about people to begin with.
Furthermore, I never said that this is a proper representation of women at all, that was just generated in your brain to justify your prudish views.
To be more precise, there are no proper representations of either men or women, so you could also flip the table about females in Style Savvy: Trendsetter because not every woman is interested in fashion or stereotypically girlish things.
The very fact that I have to tell you this is just sad. I was hoping people were more open than this...

@Sentinator nobody can say for sure, but I can clearly say that I know a girl who totally digs fanservice galore.

@element187 hard to say, but I suppose it depends on the presentation. Since fanservice is practically nonexistent in GTA, we can rule it out. Dead or Alive is not animé-styled, and the general presentation focuses more on the visual aspect than innuendo (which is one of the major themes of Stardust Amazoness), but it does have its share.

AVahne

#63

AVahne said:

Can you move using the circle pad? Because, quite frankly, the 3DS d-pad is pure garbage;at least on the original model.
Hope we can get XSEED to localize this.

TheGZeus

#65

TheGZeus said:

@Kaze_Memaryu It's not revealing clothing alone, it's revealing clothing on establised female stereotypes. It's double-misogyny.
If there was a game that depicted all Jewish characters as money-grubbing Hassidim with hook-noses, constantly dancing to Klezmer music, that would be pretty messed-up, too.
To call being against overt objectification "old-fashioned" is the most backward, nonsensical thinking I can imagine at the moment.
Style Savvy also allows you to play as a male, iirc. Bad example.
This isn't about "open" or "closed". It's looking at what we have, acknowledging both intent and any logical interpretation, and seeing that they've depicted women as broad, sexual stereotypes to be subjigated sexually.
Sexual content and/or characters in sexually-provocative clothing aren't problems. It's how they're used.
Just like a love scene and a rape scene are two different things. Context and presentation.

TheGZeus

#66

TheGZeus said:

@Zombie_Barioth You don't have to hate women to be misogynistic.
Putting women on a pedastal is just as problematic, because that's treating them like objects rather than people. If you idealise them, when they don't fit that ideal, that becomes a 'problem' rather than 'a person being an individual'.

TheGZeus

#67

TheGZeus said:

@PrincessSugoi ". Maybe I just don't get it because I'm a yaoi fangirl used to seeing males being submissive and "objectified" on a daily basis and I read comics where males are held to the same unrealistic standards as women."
...Yeah. That's just as much of a problem.
A host club is just as unsavoury as a hostess club.

Zombie_Barioth

#70

Zombie_Barioth said:

@TheGZeus
Except thats more on the extreme end of things, if someone can't separate reality from fantasy theres far more going on. Theres always people who take things too far, that doesn't mean everyone else is just as bad. Just because I didn't list every motive behind misogyny doesn't mean anything either, theres a lot I didn't feel the need to point out.

Point being this is nothing more than fantasy, it in no way reflects a person's view of the world, others, or anything else for that matter. Its just an outlet for one's own fetishes, whatever they may be. Its only really misogynistic if the person enjoys it because of their views. Perspective is every bit as important as context and presentation, that of course includes intent and motive.

Zombie_Barioth

#72

Zombie_Barioth said:

@TheGZeus
Once again, thats a very extreme view of what I said. As long as they aren't harming themselves or someone else its really no one else's business what they're into. Needless to say people are into some pretty weird things, we're free to think its creepy, gross, or whatever but its not our place to tell them its wrong. It works both ways and thats where perspective comes in. Just because we see something as such doesn't make it so.

TheGZeus

#73

TheGZeus said:

@Zombie_Barioth There's nothing wrong with simplification, even to reductio ad absurdum.
I'm not talking about the people that will/may play the game. I'm talking about the game itself.
The game itself is misogynistic. It is a work of misogyny. It is the result of misogynistic views, consciously or not.
IT REPRESENTS WOMEN PURELY AS STEREOTYPICAL OBJECTS TO BE CONQUERED AND FONDLED INTO SUBMISSION. There's no other way to view the subject matter that makes the slightest bit of sense.
If someone plays the game and says "heheh, that's funny..." and doesn't notice that, then I'd have no problem with them whatsoever. Well, I'd find them rather dim, but that's not so bad.
You seem to be arguing that so long as someone watches something and sees something not-bad in it, it's fine. If someone, somehow, didn't know what was going on in a hentai game designed to simulate sex crimes and thought they were a hero of some kind, the game is still about RAPING WOMEN. If you played it without the actual desire to rape women, you're still playing a game about RAPING WOMEN. This game isn't as bad, but it's from the same part of town, so to speak. Force women in stereotypical, sexualised uniforms/costumes to submit via force, then fondle them. That's (weird, costumey) sexual assault.

If you're just being all relativist on me, then stop talking, because you're expressing a viewpoint, and by relativism's standards all viewpoints are both equally valid and invalid.

PS:
You seem to be arguing in a manner defending the game's existence more than being in favor of it being played, per se.
I'm not calling for a ban, I'm stating that I wish they hadn't decided to make the game, and would hope that people would decide to not play such things.
I'm all for freedom of speech, and I include games in that. That said, I'll use my freedom of speech to speak out against other speech as much as defend the rights of that person to speak it. I'll try to stop them, but only with words of discouragement.
I also use speech for encouragement.
Words. Both harmless and powerful.

Windy

#74

Windy said:

If Nintendo goes and cancels swapnote this will never be released in the west. Would that make any sense at all? So unless some of the provocative scenes are removed from that game the west won't see it anyway. I can't recall one single game on a Nintendo system which looked like that. Only thing close is Picdun 2 which isn't even as close to offensive as that video.

Kaze_Memaryu

#75

Kaze_Memaryu said:

@TheGZeus this only proves what I say. This is in no way misogynistic, you just want it to be.
Misogyny would be if the game stated that all women are like this or that women should be more like this, but it doesn't even try to acknowledge its own presentation as realistic.
And rape is probably the worst compairson you could make towards love. Rape is simply and frankly a brutal crime, love is a word for a broad range of affection levels towards persons and things alike. The mere thought of this compairson is so painfully ridiculous it makes me wonder how the hell you came up with THAT.
Stardust Amazoness neither has one nor the other thing. It doesn't depict deep emotions or complex relationships, and it clearly doesn't state that submission is/should be regular treatment. It's mostly a parody and an exaggeration of girlfights where the clothing symbolises the true personality (like the 'open-minded' nun opposed to the nun cliché), while the tapping part is mostly a reinforcement of the fact that these are still young girls deep within - dropping the facade of the 'roles' they represent.

No woman is - or rather should be - insulted just bcause a game uses innuendo and/or sexual themes as part of gameplay and design. Those who feel like this game discriminates them as females have more of a self-consciousness problem than anything.

Also, Style Savvy does NOT allow you to play as a male character, only to dress up guys while the MC is still a girl. Joke's on you.

TheGZeus

#76

TheGZeus said:

@Kaze_Memaryu Things don't need to be explicitly stated to be expressed.
I never brought up love, nor is it ever mentioned anywhere in the article or in any comment I have replied to. This is a strawman argument. Fail.
"It doesn't depict deep emotions or complex relationship" Then why'd you bring them (love) up?
EDIT: headdesk... A "love scene" refers to a "sex scene". The difference between it and a rape scene is singular: consent. That's all. "Love scene" does not mean "scene with love in it". It's just a bit of semi-puritanical shame about the word sex leaking into the English language. Yeesh. Not catching that genuinely surprised me. I honestly had zero idea what on earth you were talking about.
Why do you associate "breasts hanging out" with "open-minded"? O_o
"é), while the tapping part is mostly a reinforcement of the fact that these are still young girls deep within - dropping the facade of the 'roles' they represent."... WHAT??? How does being defeated in battle then fondled have anything to do with anything you stated? And you tell me that I'm reading too much into this...
"No woman is - or rather should be - insulted just bcause a game uses innuendo and/or sexual themes as part of gameplay and design." See also: graphic hentai games that simulate crimes. "worse/better than" is not the same as "different from".
"Those who feel like this game discriminates them as females have more of a self-consciousness problem than anything." I'm a guy.
"Also, Style Savvy does NOT allow you to play as a male character, only to dress up guys while the MC is still a girl. Joke's on you."
Why is there a joke? I remembered incorrectly. So that game is slightly offensive in the same way that so many action/adventure/Role-Playing games usually have a male protagonist. It's only 'sigh-inducing' rather than 'nausea-inducing'.
LESS of a problem, but still a problem. (not the only problem with that game, as after playing the demo I determined that the dev team had terrible fashion sense)

TheGZeus

#77

TheGZeus said:

@Windy Well, SwapNote is a Nintendo product, and this is a third-party game.
A jiggle-physics brawler that's been out in Japan for some time is being localised, and some of the demon designs in SMT4... WHOO-boy! O_O (rated M for Mara)
Nintendo self-censors, but doesn't censor.

shaneoh

#78

shaneoh said:

"I never brought up love, nor is it ever mentioned anywhere in the article or in any comment I have replied to."

Check out comment #66, i believe it's yours @TheGZeus. "Just like a love scene and a rape scene are two different things. Context and presentation."
As you seem so fond of the term
FAIL

Okay I call flamebaiting on TheGZeus' part, not just for just for the antagonistic way he/she/it has posted in this topic, but in other topics as well

Also return internet hi five to @PrincessSugoi

TheGZeus

#79

TheGZeus said:

@shaneoh sigh
Fine.
A SEX scene. Standard usage of "love scene" is "consentual sex scene". Context is important when using or reading words. Emotions aren't even necessarily part of what's commonly called a "love scene". That's why I didn't make the connection, otherwise I would have clarified, rather than call 'strawman'.
So they weren't bringing things up out of the blue, just cherry-picking words and splitting hairs.
That's not how formatting works on this site. FAIL (cute edit, btw)
I'm not flamebaiting, or even being antagonistic. I'm just stating my opinion, and my opinions are strong and well-defined. (as opposed to hazy and nebulous)

froogus98

#80

froogus98 said:

@TheGZeus You're a puritan freaking out because some people find women sexually attractive.

Is it okay to kill a fictional creature in a video game? Because if you say yes, your hypocrisy and tunnel vision will be showing.

shaneoh

#81

shaneoh said:

"So they weren't bringing things up out of the blue, just cherry-picking words and splitting hairs.
That's not how formatting works on this site. FAIL"

Said the person who found a typo and attacked

I think the most misogynistic part of this whole thing is that we are assuming these are females being depicted in this game

TheGZeus

#82

TheGZeus said:

@froogus98 O_o If you knew me at all, you'd know I'm no puritan.
Sex and sexuality aren't problems, it's how they're used.
I'm a big fan of the work of Wendy O. Williams, who used sexuality in much the same way as Ted Nugent had, but somewhat less offensive (to me). Not so much objectification or violence, more self-aggrandisement. Anyway, it's pretty close to impossible to dig The Plasmatics and be a puritan :p Anyone I've dated in the past can also vouch for me not being a puritan, or one to freak out over sexuality.
Like sex, it's how the killing of the creature is handled that matters. If there's no reason for it, it's rather "yech" and if the animal also suffers I find it personally revolting. Cabela's games, where you just kill innocent animals are fairly "yuck" but in Etrian Odyssey it's not so bad, because I just want to get to the next level and they're trying to KILL ME. Self defense.
Displaying one's own sexual power/prowess isn't the same as being a character out of a second-rate porno (yeah, I've seen a few. Generally laugh-AT hilarious dreck). Those aren't polar opposites, either. It can get pretty subtle.
This game isn't subtle. It isn't even original. Games like this have been around since the early days of the DS.

TheGZeus

#83

TheGZeus said:

@shaneoh ""That's not how formatting works on this site. FAIL"

Said the person who found a typo and attacked"
Umm... That is what just happened, kinda. You said "FAIL" in allcaps (well, tried to), and I pointed out that you formatted it incorrectly, and then did the same thing correctly, pointing out that while it is possible, you didn't do it. There's this thing called "verbal irony", though this may fall under "sarcasm". I'm a bit tired, and CBA to look it up.
"I think the most misogynistic part of this whole thing is that we are assuming these are females being depicted in this game"
What? So... you think it's equally likely that there will be some Crying Game reveal at some point?
While that's technically a possibility, I'm not sure it's worth consideration.

froogus98

#84

froogus98 said:

@TheGZeus Are you seriously telling me that you regularly view pornography, one of the most misogynistic, objectifying, self-draining industries in existence, with REAL women, and yet you are on here complaining about sexism in this game?

TheGZeus

#85

TheGZeus said:

@froogus98
A few things
1: I didn't say regularly. I didn't make any statement of frequency.
2: You called me a puritan for saying this game is offensive, now you're implying that you can never see porn without being part of the patriarchy. Make up your mind. Is sexuality fine, or not. You've left no room for a grey area, so where do you stand? o_o
3: I said I laughed at second-rate porn. As in: "AHHAAHA Yeah, right! That's ridiculous. EEEeeeew! Don't do that! Don't do it like that anyway!" Like watching any terrible movie. Riffing, ala MST3K.

Straaaaaawmaaaaaaan.

PS: An argument can be made (I'm not going to bother to try to make it, just saying that IT HAS BEEN MADE AT SOME POINT BY OTHERS) that pornography is equally degrading to men and women, for various reasons. It's a complex issue, and has always been an issue since drawing was invented.

Zombie_Barioth

#86

Zombie_Barioth said:

@TheGZeus
Well no, but then given the topic at hand I assumed you might fill in the blanks yourself. I didn't think things like rape had to be pointed out as being bad, but appearantly so.

But yea, you had it right in the end. You may not like or agree with it, heck its not my cup of tea either, but you also don't gain anything from wishing it didn't exist or trying to discourage others from enjoying it. This is the kind of thing you probably wouldn't know someone is into anyway.

Unless of course you mean to say you wish it wasn't the type of game it turned out to be, that I can agree with. I was excited when I first heard its concept, I even defended the character designs to an extent, then boom.

TheGZeus

#87

TheGZeus said:

"Well no, but then given the topic at hand I assumed you might fill in the blanks yourself. I didn't think things like rape had to be pointed out as being bad, but appearantly so."
My thoughts exactly.
"but you also don't gain anything from wishing it didn't exist or trying to discourage others from enjoying it. " ...a better world is a thing that is nice, and all should work toward. So I call BS/Shenanigans when I see it, and point out good ideas/things. That's all you can do, really.
That's basically the only reason to do anything, I think. Personal enjoyment is just something to get through life, and you hope to have made a difference.
"This is the kind of thing you probably wouldn't know someone is into anyway." Yes and no. Yes, because then "Oh, god. Gtfo. Now. Go." No to maintain status quo.
What I wish is this almost never-ending spiral of wishing people hadn't been raised in such a way as they would then go on to raise people in such a way as... resulting in people who think making a game like this is a good idea.
It's like, when I meet someone, and they end up saying something racist, I want to slap their parents, and so on :p

Windy

#88

Windy said:

@TheGZeus yikes your right. I just beat SMTIV last week. How could I forget that? Because I'm a knucklehead lol well maybe there is hope for this release :)

shaneoh

#89

shaneoh said:

Was rather referring to cherry picking part. as to your edit, I had corrected the error on my part before you posted, but am willing to admit that i made that mistake. For clarification the mistake was [b]FAIL[b/].

"Anyone I've dated in the past can also vouch for me not being a puritan, or one to freak out over sexuality."
I would like to quote you from another article:
"So you "heard from some guy somewhere"? Not information that's useful, really."
Same situation, really.

"It's like, when I meet someone, and they end up saying something racist, I want to slap their parents."
So the situations this game is depicting are completely different to assaulting a man and woman for something they may, or may not, have brought their child up to do?

"a better world is a thing that is nice, and all should work toward"
A world where we can slap people for raising stupid, misinformed or ignorant children. I must say I love that idea.

"3: I said I laughed at second-rate porn."
Well what was so hilarious? The degradation of the people involved? By the sounds of it you didn't walk out as soon as you knew it was on, it sounds like you saw them to the end. You didn't try to switch it off? [insert quote about evil winning because of good men doing nothing] You know, CBA looking it up.

"What? So... you think it's equally likely that there will be some Crying Game reveal at some point?
While that's technically a possibility, I'm not sure it's worth consideration."
I wouldn't be surprised, world is a strange place

Like I said this is flame baiting

hngdmn

#90

hngdmn said:

@Windy
"If Nintendo goes and cancels swapnote this will never be released in the west. "
...what? Does this game have a function of sending nude pics of kids?

hngdmn

#91

hngdmn said:

It's nice to have 3D models but the battles look so slow...I wonder if there's an option to speed up the attack animation or even skip them entirely.

theblackdragonAdmin

#92

theblackdragon said:

Guys, it's not 'flamebaiting'. It's someone with an opinion that differs from your own.

That said, for those of you crying that women should automatically be ok with this, where are all the pretty boys with fantastic bodies and enormous packages? Do we get to 'tickle' them? No? Funny how that works out. /eyeroll

shaneoh

#94

shaneoh said:

"That said, for those of you crying that women should automatically be ok with this, where are all the pretty boys with fantastic bodies and enormous packages? Do we get to 'tickle' them? No? Funny how that works out. /eyeroll"
I don't have an issue with there being such a game, I couldn't care less if they switched the "genders" of the "characters" in this game. Noone has said women should be okay with this, people have said they don't see or agree with the issues the other side is making. It's like drinking or smoking, not everybody does either, some people don't see the appeal of either activity. But like I first posted, if the main characters were "male," there would be very little uproar about it, and the level of uproar should be the same in MOST cases regardless of gender.

"It's someone with an opinion that differs from your own."
I have no issues with people having a different opinion or respectfully debating it out. But when people respond antagonistically to others in an already inflammatory subject, such as this, people are going to respond the same, and no good is going to come of it.

Kaze_Memaryu

#95

Kaze_Memaryu said:

@TheGZeus sigh Okay, here we go...

Before all else, yes. If something isn't explicitly stated or clearly expressed in some way, it's NOT what you think it is. Otherwise anything could insult anybody. Some people use hinting to try and insult others, but if they didn't actively use an insult, they didn't insult. The target just interpreted it as an insult, without regarding the possibility that it's a misunderstanding.

Now that that's cleared...

1.) Just like a love scene and a rape scene are two different things. Context and presentation.
That's where you started the 'love' aspect. It was hard to tell you meant sex (why not just say it?), but this doesn't make it any less ridiculous to compare.

2.) Why do you associate "breasts hanging out" with "open-minded"? O_o Symbolism - it's a stark contrast to the general nun theme, which enforces the isolation cliché normally. With the deep cleavage, this 'nun' part is parodied and averted at the same time while retaining the innocence part (personality-wise).

3.) WHAT??? How does being defeated in battle then fondled have anything to do with anything you stated? And you tell me that I'm reading too much into this...
I never said that you read too much into it. And now the longer part:

  • Looks can be very deceiving (transsexuals are a good example), so boobs and face don't make a girl a girl when the personality is masculine/fake/set-up, but a feminine personality makes them all the more charming. To get past this 'facade', the 'girlish' traits need to be shown somehow. So, why not just go straight for groping! The characters of this game are all females, so they know how to embarrass other girls - and dropping the facade means losing the ability to deceive an enemy, which is the ultimate defeat in a prison full of girls with facades.

4.) "No woman is - or rather should be - insulted just bcause a game uses innuendo and/or sexual themes as part of gameplay and design." See also: graphic hentai games that simulate crimes. "worse/better than" is not the same as "different from".
And that has no relation to this game. There are graphic hentai games, but this isn't one. It doesn't even qualify as ecchi, for that matter...

5.) "Those who feel like this game discriminates them as females have more of a self-consciousness problem than anything." I'm a guy.
Wasn't aware of that, sorry. But in this case, that makes no difference. Just think of it like I said that to every woman in the world through mindwaves.

6.) [i]Why is there a joke? I remembered incorrectly. So that game is slightly offensive in the same way that so many action/adventure/Role-Playing games usually have a male protagonist. It's only 'sigh-inducing' rather than 'nausea-inducing'.
LESS of a problem, but still a problem. (not the only problem with that game, as after playing the demo I determined that the dev team had terrible fashion sense).[/i]
The term 'joke's on you' is often used on the internet as an alternative way of saying 'you got that one wrong' or 'your argument is invalid'. Feel free to choose which of the two I meant. And just because you didn't like the fashion of Style Savvy, that doesn't mean it's actually bad, it's just not your taste.

theblackdragonAdmin

#96

theblackdragon said:

@shaneoh: PrincessSugoi said it somewhere up bear the top of the thread, and Kaze_Memaryu said it in reply #75, next-to-last paragraph. That one in particular was the one i had responded to, because it had landed in my inbox.

That said, this is something that people feel very strongly about, and i have seen neither flamebaiting nor flaming so far, just strong opinion being debated. i have been keeping an eye on this thread, i promise. Put on your 'adult' underpants and debate maturely, please, and if you feel it's too much for you, feel free to comment on something else.

shaneoh

#97

shaneoh said:

No, she said that she doesn't fully understand, which implies some (more than not) empathy for the women who aren't okay with this, she just doesn't share the same views. It's not the same as saying they should be okay with it. And fair enough Kaze_Memaryu's does read like all women should be okay with this.

I also find it ironic and insulting that you tell me to "put on your "adult" underpants" and mention debating maturely.

I've noticed I haven't stated my intention on whether I'd buy the game. Well the combat looks rather slow and dull, at this stage I would only buy it at a heavily discounted price. I would need to see additional, quality, gameplay to change my mind, because while boobs can keep me entertained for a while, they aren't exactly the reason for me to play video games.

Infernapeking

#99

Infernapeking said:

I would definitely play this mainly most jrpg that not localize yet such as Conception ll, Exsteta and this. Even Beyond the Labyrinth.

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