The reason people compare Zelda to Skyrim is because Skyrim is epic while Zelda is a shallow turd in comparison. YES they are different games but there is no reason why Zelda can't strive to be more epic, and deep, while still staying "light hearted." The problem with Zelda is you REALLY feel you are just playing a game. The world is so closed in and confined, the controls are confined (action button for jumping and everything else!?!), the formula is old. While it would be silly for Zelda to copy a game from Skyrim it doesn't mean they should completely close their eyes to what other games are doing. People love Zelda because it's Zelda not because they want to play the same game over and over again with slightly tweaked mechanics and graphics. Most game series follow some sort of formula but with Zelda it's glaringly obvious within the first 30 minutes. Maybe if you are young enough you can't see the pattern but I get bored with Zelda games because I know exactly how they are going to play out and lose interest.
American Developers being arrogant? You have that backwards! Nintendo are one of the most arrogant game houses on the block. Miyamoto only cares about making games that are fun for him (or the developers to make) or are "creative". He sounds like a broken record. The most recent was with Angry Birds saying "This must have been fun for the developers to make". Are you serious? It's great if they had fun and perhaps it led to a better game but honestly every interview you just talk about yourself.
This is like taking knowing where your food comes from to a whole new level. I only buy fair-trade coffee now I'm only going to buy "fair made" games. All the developers must have had the time of their life creating a game, and all their creative juices must have been used or I will have to pass on purchasing it.
Actually much more convincing then I expected though that stone texture is a bit jarring. I find though Minecraft really shines with original designs. You can work around the limitations of the game.
Ummm the Wii Ganjin games are FAR FAR away from being actually graphically demanding so did they really make a huge leap in graphics? Overrated games anyway.
Some of you people are silly. Upscale is a halfway house? wtf? Running the Wii at 720p is not upscaling, the game would be rendered at 720p reducing aliasing and such unlike a DVD that can't really have any extra detail pulled from the 480p picture. The most likely reason we won't see this is because they will probably do what they did with the Wii backwards compatability They will run Wii games in Wii mode which will lock out any of the more advanced hardware. Disappointing? Yes very much so.
HD is nothing special? Hmm well Wii games look fine on your SDTV from 1994 they certainly don't look great on a TV made in the last couple of years. Even on my small 32" HDTV they aren't very nice to look at. If you keep your distance it's not so bad but bump them up to 720p and I have no complaints.
Just because something was downloaded 1,000,000 times doesn't mean there are 1,000,000 copies of it floating around. I often download things multiple times and it either gets lost, deleted, or who knows. Also some people just download for the fun of it, it's like being addicted to shopping. That doesn't make it right but it's probably not a lost sale.
I'm a budget gamer and I find there aren't that many games worth $50 or more. I can afford them yes, but the value just isn't there. The last 6 or 7 games I bought on steam for $7.49 or less despite being able to easily pirate them.
They would likely save the series. What was considered ground breaking in 1998 is not so ground breaking now. And while I say ground breaking I enjoyed Ocarina of Time very much but was not blown away by it, other people were though. Zelda is only an amazing game if you wear blinders and forget about all the other games that exist. When I play Zelda I feel a disconnect, it feels like a game, it feels too strict and confined, it doesn't take me away and feel like an escape from reality. It feels like Nintendo is catering to a new generation of gamer's every single time they make a game. "You've never played this game before so we'll introduce you to the same formula we've been milking for years."
@Skotski: Why would I want to use a stylus while holding a controller though? This is what I never understood about the DS. Two screens is also a gimmicky feature, focus on the games not strange peripherals. This is the problem with iOS games. The touch interface works for a number of genres just fine but the majority of games are shallow, the Wii was a step up from that but still had a lot of shallow games, the PS3 & Xbox360 sure had a bunch of bogus overrated games but they also had/have epic games of mass exploration.
That said I'm not against the screen on a controller idea, I think that's a great feature if it can be used as an alternative to a TV. I also look forward to see what PC modders do when they get their hands on it.
The Wii did cause a revolution. Everyone bought it, especially ageing ex gamers of the NES era. People that hadn't played many video games since the NES or early SNES days were back into gaming because it simplified it and made it a social experience. This is where other consoles and PC's fail miserably. COD is not a social game. There are some benefits to online gaming but the change from real-life multiplayer to virtual took a hit on a lot of the fun factor. Graphics aren't the most important aspect of a game though they can really affect your experience. I'm an avid Minecraft player and that game has very simple graphics but it is addictive, can be quite social, and really brings out your creativity. On the other hand I just started playing Skyrim and I'm just blown away by the attention to detail and immersive environments. Simple graphics weren't the Wii's biggest problem...
480p was one of the biggest issues for me though probably didn't affect some of the casual buyers. 480i is fine on an old CRT screen, in fact it looks great. On a modern TV it looks pretty bad though sitting further away helps. You do get use to it but still...I don't mind the low polygon counts, or lack of atmospheric effects it's the jagged polygons on a high def screen.
The other issue was lack of support especially over the past year +. There have been some great games even some of the best in that time but there were few and both VC and Wiiware also suffered. It seemed like Nintendo was focused elsewhere (on their new system). Perhaps Nintendo saw the fan base was waning anyway but abandoning your customers isn't the best move for future relations. It's unlikely I'll get a Wii U (or any other console) next generation but only time will tell. Usually I wait at least a year for better pricing and more games.
There are many games that will never be re-released and would be lost forever if it weren't for "illegal" emulation. There are so many licensing issues with a large portion of Nintendo's back catalog. Nintendo will find a way to make sure most of the best or popular games are released but there are a lot of lesser known gems that might not be. The other problem is what grumblegrumble said, if we buy these games once that should be enough. A VC game for Wii should work on the Wii U and 3DS. This would be the prime reason to go no-frills. It would be easy for them to code a new front end and leave the games as a basic rom.
Imagine how cool they could make a new isometric Zelda game with modern technology? Much simpler graphics than 3D but a real attention to detail. Just make the map 4x bigger than A Link to the Past and please add more than one town.
Ok well its obvious now why they wont bring it to NA. Its the british voices, Nintendo wouldnt want to alienate american audiences and they dont want to invest more time for american voices.
Removing features reduces cost you dolt. I see little point in this though, why release a new version of a console with little software support? Also Gamecube gaming is irrelevant for anyone wanting to buy the system this late in the game.
2D will go on because it's what a lot of people want. Nintendo doesn't seem to care about 2D gaming though and neither do most companies. Indie devs do though. Most of the big companies only release the odd 2D game to appease what they see as a niche market. Super Mario Brothers Mii is B.S. Mii's are crap. Skip that. Put some real production $ in a 2D Super Mario Brothers. NSMBW was a large step in the right direction but they were even too cheap to animate princess peach.
Wow haha. Everyone is all over this because the 3D effect is cool. While considered a classic the game is dull and uninspiring. There are far better shooters including Space Invaders (preferably the '88 remake).
This would have been a great game when I was a kid and didn't have that many games. These days I would give up much much sooner despite being a completionist.
I enjoyed Super Tennis for SNES. Not sure where my brother got it from or why but it was actually quite enjoyable. During the NES years games like Megaman, Zelda II, Duck Tales & others were so much more interesting to me than Tennis.
There is nothing wrong with any genre of game, it's the bad games that dirty the genre. The Call of Duty series would have been better had they only made COD2 & COD4: Modern Warfare. The problem with all of those games is they are completely unoriginal. The first COD game ripped the plot straight out of popular WW2 movies from a decade ago. Saving Private Ryan, Enemy at the Gates and I can't remember the other.
I like first person shooters a lot but they have to be good. Most of them are overrated and complete media wankfests.
I'll still buy it, so I can burn it releasing the toxic fumes into the atmosphere which will hopefully eventually make it to Japan and get in the developers noses.
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Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines on Wii U is 'Best-Looking' Version
Great graphics or not the game will probably suck.
Re: Enclave Finally Steps Out of the Shadows on 22nd May
Holy old game! I remember playing it a bit on PC back in the day and it was decent but the controls were a bit weak,
Re: Talking Point: Why Skyward Sword Sales Failed to Soar
The reason people compare Zelda to Skyrim is because Skyrim is epic while Zelda is a shallow turd in comparison. YES they are different games but there is no reason why Zelda can't strive to be more epic, and deep, while still staying "light hearted." The problem with Zelda is you REALLY feel you are just playing a game. The world is so closed in and confined, the controls are confined (action button for jumping and everything else!?!), the formula is old. While it would be silly for Zelda to copy a game from Skyrim it doesn't mean they should completely close their eyes to what other games are doing. People love Zelda because it's Zelda not because they want to play the same game over and over again with slightly tweaked mechanics and graphics. Most game series follow some sort of formula but with Zelda it's glaringly obvious within the first 30 minutes. Maybe if you are young enough you can't see the pattern but I get bored with Zelda games because I know exactly how they are going to play out and lose interest.
Re: Review: Super Street Fighter II (Wii Virtual Console / Mega Drive)
Arcade Version FTW.
Re: MDK2 Dev Will Never Develop for Nintendo Again
American Developers being arrogant? You have that backwards! Nintendo are one of the most arrogant game houses on the block. Miyamoto only cares about making games that are fun for him (or the developers to make) or are "creative". He sounds like a broken record. The most recent was with Angry Birds saying "This must have been fun for the developers to make". Are you serious? It's great if they had fun and perhaps it led to a better game but honestly every interview you just talk about yourself.
This is like taking knowing where your food comes from to a whole new level. I only buy fair-trade coffee now I'm only going to buy "fair made" games. All the developers must have had the time of their life creating a game, and all their creative juices must have been used or I will have to pass on purchasing it.
Re: Ocarina of Time Project Underway in Minecraft
Inglorious =p
Actually much more convincing then I expected though that stone texture is a bit jarring. I find though Minecraft really shines with original designs. You can work around the limitations of the game.
Re: Wii U Panorama View Demo is Awesome
Tech demos are always impressive, let's see real games...
Re: Gaijin Games Explains Why RUNNER2 Won't Reach Wii
Ummm the Wii Ganjin games are FAR FAR away from being actually graphically demanding so did they really make a huge leap in graphics? Overrated games anyway.
Re: Kid Icarus: Uprising Comes With This 3DS Stand
What's wrong with the game design if it comes with a stand?
Re: Nintendo Reconfirms Wii U Will Not Make Wii Games Sharper
Some of you people are silly. Upscale is a halfway house? wtf? Running the Wii at 720p is not upscaling, the game would be rendered at 720p reducing aliasing and such unlike a DVD that can't really have any extra detail pulled from the 480p picture. The most likely reason we won't see this is because they will probably do what they did with the Wii backwards compatability They will run Wii games in Wii mode which will lock out any of the more advanced hardware. Disappointing? Yes very much so.
HD is nothing special? Hmm well Wii games look fine on your SDTV from 1994 they certainly don't look great on a TV made in the last couple of years. Even on my small 32" HDTV they aren't very nice to look at. If you keep your distance it's not so bad but bump them up to 720p and I have no complaints.
Re: Millions of Wii Games Pirated in 2011
Just because something was downloaded 1,000,000 times doesn't mean there are 1,000,000 copies of it floating around. I often download things multiple times and it either gets lost, deleted, or who knows. Also some people just download for the fun of it, it's like being addicted to shopping. That doesn't make it right but it's probably not a lost sale.
I'm a budget gamer and I find there aren't that many games worth $50 or more. I can afford them yes, but the value just isn't there. The last 6 or 7 games I bought on steam for $7.49 or less despite being able to easily pirate them.
Re: The Binding of Isaac Seeking Approval from Nintendo
The size limit was stupid. Binding of Isaac is twice the size of Super Meat Boy.
Re: Miyamoto: "Retro Could Work with Nintendo on Zelda"
They would likely save the series. What was considered ground breaking in 1998 is not so ground breaking now. And while I say ground breaking I enjoyed Ocarina of Time very much but was not blown away by it, other people were though. Zelda is only an amazing game if you wear blinders and forget about all the other games that exist. When I play Zelda I feel a disconnect, it feels like a game, it feels too strict and confined, it doesn't take me away and feel like an escape from reality. It feels like Nintendo is catering to a new generation of gamer's every single time they make a game. "You've never played this game before so we'll introduce you to the same formula we've been milking for years."
Re: Nintendo Has These Wii Games Planned for Early 2012
Yeah give us Windwaker playcontrol and widescreen!
Re: Miyamoto Not a Huge Fan of Mario Kart 7 Customisation
^ He is. Miyamoto is completely out of touch with his customers.
Re: Feature: The Revolution of the Wii
@Skotski: Why would I want to use a stylus while holding a controller though? This is what I never understood about the DS. Two screens is also a gimmicky feature, focus on the games not strange peripherals. This is the problem with iOS games. The touch interface works for a number of genres just fine but the majority of games are shallow, the Wii was a step up from that but still had a lot of shallow games, the PS3 & Xbox360 sure had a bunch of bogus overrated games but they also had/have epic games of mass exploration.
That said I'm not against the screen on a controller idea, I think that's a great feature if it can be used as an alternative to a TV. I also look forward to see what PC modders do when they get their hands on it.
Re: Feature: The Revolution of the Wii
The Wii did cause a revolution. Everyone bought it, especially ageing ex gamers of the NES era. People that hadn't played many video games since the NES or early SNES days were back into gaming because it simplified it and made it a social experience. This is where other consoles and PC's fail miserably. COD is not a social game. There are some benefits to online gaming but the change from real-life multiplayer to virtual took a hit on a lot of the fun factor. Graphics aren't the most important aspect of a game though they can really affect your experience. I'm an avid Minecraft player and that game has very simple graphics but it is addictive, can be quite social, and really brings out your creativity. On the other hand I just started playing Skyrim and I'm just blown away by the attention to detail and immersive environments. Simple graphics weren't the Wii's biggest problem...
480p was one of the biggest issues for me though probably didn't affect some of the casual buyers. 480i is fine on an old CRT screen, in fact it looks great. On a modern TV it looks pretty bad though sitting further away helps. You do get use to it but still...I don't mind the low polygon counts, or lack of atmospheric effects it's the jagged polygons on a high def screen.
The other issue was lack of support especially over the past year +. There have been some great games even some of the best in that time but there were few and both VC and Wiiware also suffered. It seemed like Nintendo was focused elsewhere (on their new system). Perhaps Nintendo saw the fan base was waning anyway but abandoning your customers isn't the best move for future relations. It's unlikely I'll get a Wii U (or any other console) next generation but only time will tell. Usually I wait at least a year for better pricing and more games.
Re: Learn All About Dowsing in New Zelda: Skyward Sword Trailer
Careful not to overdowse.
Re: Preview: Super Mario 3D Land
Sounds like crap, I hate when they meld 2D and 3D. Pick a perspective and stick with it. This sounds like Other M but without the sappy story.
Re: Nintendo Explains Lack of Online Play in Star Fox 64
Typical Nintendo deciding what's best for the customer.
Re: This Is How You Upgrade Items in Skyward Sword
I had heard that Iwata said this may be the greatest game created in the last 3000 years.
Re: Talking Point: The Future of No-Frills Emulation on the eShop
There are many games that will never be re-released and would be lost forever if it weren't for "illegal" emulation. There are so many licensing issues with a large portion of Nintendo's back catalog. Nintendo will find a way to make sure most of the best or popular games are released but there are a lot of lesser known gems that might not be. The other problem is what grumblegrumble said, if we buy these games once that should be enough. A VC game for Wii should work on the Wii U and 3DS. This would be the prime reason to go no-frills. It would be easy for them to code a new front end and leave the games as a basic rom.
Re: You're Not Alone in Finding the First Zelda So Hard
Imagine how cool they could make a new isometric Zelda game with modern technology? Much simpler graphics than 3D but a real attention to detail. Just make the map 4x bigger than A Link to the Past and please add more than one town.
Re: Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword Limited Edition Details
I will play this game in the nude!
Re: New Wii is No Smaller Than Before
There are millions of old Wii's for people to get there Gamecube fantasies on oh and Gamecubes go for about $10 or so...
Re: Review: Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii)
Ok well its obvious now why they wont bring it to NA. Its the british voices, Nintendo wouldnt want to alienate american audiences and they dont want to invest more time for american voices.
Re: Current Wii Model to be Discontinued
Removing features reduces cost you dolt. I see little point in this though, why release a new version of a console with little software support? Also Gamecube gaming is irrelevant for anyone wanting to buy the system this late in the game.
Re: Wii U Controller Patent Reveals Interesting Features
Sounds expensive, I'll stick with my NES controller.
Re: Feature: What Happened to Metroid 64?
Nintendo was stubborn and believed 2D was a thing of the past. a 3D metroid wouldn't have worked on the system.
Re: Feature: The Future of Nintendo Gaming - 2D or Not 2D?
2D will go on because it's what a lot of people want. Nintendo doesn't seem to care about 2D gaming though and neither do most companies. Indie devs do though. Most of the big companies only release the odd 2D game to appease what they see as a niche market. Super Mario Brothers Mii is B.S. Mii's are crap. Skip that. Put some real production $ in a 2D Super Mario Brothers. NSMBW was a large step in the right direction but they were even too cheap to animate princess peach.
Re: Iwata Shoulders Blame for Low 3DS Sales, Cuts Salary in Half
The modern equivilant of the Samurai falling on his own sword.
Re: Review: 3D Classics: Xevious (3DSWare)
Wow haha. Everyone is all over this because the 3D effect is cool. While considered a classic the game is dull and uninspiring. There are far better shooters including Space Invaders (preferably the '88 remake).
Re: Fox Flies Into a New Trailer for Star Fox 64 3D
I remember the UK version of Star Fox 64 had an option for the old scrambled up voices like the SNES version. The US release lacked that feature.
Re: New Zelda: Skyward Sword Trailer is Right on Target
The Gorons don't interest me, never have, though I liked the chiefs little dance in OOT.
Re: Dedicated Gamer Aces Dragon Quest IX After 773 Hours
This would have been a great game when I was a kid and didn't have that many games. These days I would give up much much sooner despite being a completionist.
Re: Eiji Aonuma Talks Zelda Ideas and Development
I thought all recent Zelda games were just generated automatically by a computer. There are actually people still making these games?
Re: Nintendo Download: 14th July 2011 (Europe)
I have a Picross clone on my iPad and it's actually really good, I would buy this if I had a DS.
Re: Crytek: Wii U Technology a Far Cry From Wii Hardware
Incorrect. Crytek is not owned by EA but Far Cry is hence why Far Cry 2 sucked and why Crytek went on to create Crysis.
Re: Tennis As a 3D Classics Release Was Way Out
I enjoyed Super Tennis for SNES. Not sure where my brother got it from or why but it was actually quite enjoyable. During the NES years games like Megaman, Zelda II, Duck Tales & others were so much more interesting to me than Tennis.
Re: The Super Mario Bros Movie Could Have Turned Out Very Differently
No wonder Dennis Hopper did Water World if he was lured in by a Mad Max Mario Bros.
Re: The King of Kong Remake Could End Up as a Mockumentary
The whole situation was comedic anyway so I could see it being a good basis for a comedy.
Re: Xenoblade Artwork and Screenshots Show a Lot of Heart
I'm going to wait to play it on the Wii U (Hope the Wii U upscales to HD).
Re: The Thought of a Shooter-Only Future Makes Iwata Sad
There is nothing wrong with any genre of game, it's the bad games that dirty the genre. The Call of Duty series would have been better had they only made COD2 & COD4: Modern Warfare. The problem with all of those games is they are completely unoriginal. The first COD game ripped the plot straight out of popular WW2 movies from a decade ago. Saving Private Ryan, Enemy at the Gates and I can't remember the other.
I like first person shooters a lot but they have to be good. Most of them are overrated and complete media wankfests.
Re: Iwata Knows 3DS Launch Line-Up was Lacklustre
I don't think it matters that a Zelda, Mario etc game wasn't released with the system there just needed to be a good game.
Re: Review: QIX (Game Boy)
Qix is awesome. I haven't played the Gameboy version but I've played the arcade version and other clones. Dr Awesome for iOS is a decent clone.
Re: Mixed Wii U Reaction and Share Dip Doesn't Faze Iwata
Well it goes to show how much of a farce the economy is. It's based on perception more than anything else.
Re: Resident Evil: Revelations Graphics "Will Blow You Away"
Capcom is hyping up their next game to take away media attention from the one save fiasco. Nice one Capcom, I'm on to you.
Re: Localisation Evidence Grows as Pandora's Tower Demoed at Expo
I say remove the games from the store shelves of Japan and make everyone equally miserable.
Re: Operation Rainfall Responds to Nintendo's "Never Say Never"
Nintendo = arrogant.
Re: Talking Point: The Resident Evil: Mercenaries 3D Save File Debate
I'll still buy it, so I can burn it releasing the toxic fumes into the atmosphere which will hopefully eventually make it to Japan and get in the developers noses.