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Sort of like 3D, Gyroscope and off screen play.

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@Plateface Well yeah? Nintendo is a ladder, barrel and ramps company. Silly you.

Life, uh, finds a way.

BTW, CAN'T FREAKING WAIT. Gosh the world needs more dino games.

Gosh, can't wait for this darned game.

Like, who cares?

@kingofthesofa So let me recapitulate. I post my opinion saying "being different doesn't make you the best". A user responds to this with a sarcastic and condescending tone, I tell him if "something I said is bugging you", afterwards I agree with someone who shared a similar opinion but then I am called a troll by Action 51 and you, plus, you say that "I am drinking from the same kool-aid as Quorthon". So, somehow, a user calling me a troll for my opinion, a user replying to me sarcastically and in a condescending manner and you also calling me a troll is passable but, my opinion... isn't? And the say it to my face wasn't in capital, so you're pretty much exaggerating there.

And like it or not, Wii U was Nintendo's attempt at being different and it still sells poorly. Their attempts at making games that are different like Wii Music and Sticker Stars (Which was a deviation from the standard gameplay from the series) can be met with negative or mixed reactions. Simply being different isn't going to make you good or better than the others. It's one thing appreciating them being unique, it's another if its uniqueness is good. And indeed I was wrong saying it was a fact.

@Project_Dolphin The reverse happens in Nintendo. So I doubt Nintendo is any better than Sony or Microsoft in that regard.

@kingofthesofa Fact- Being different doesn't make you the best. Example: WiiU BAM! The second is a reply to the way he responded to me so I don't know why you are expecting a fact here.

So it's pretty rich of you to say that you upset me yet... how come you replied to me? How come that one user named EngieBengie caught your eye? Heed my advice and do what I told you to do. I know how to defend my stance, I know how to back my opinions so I don't need the advice but if these comments bothered you so much and made you upset, then yeah, you better leave the internet because you're just gonna meet more and more people like me who will criticize Nintendo harshly. After all, I'm not the one who threw personal attacks (Ad hominem) at someone for criticizing Nintendo.

@kingofthesofa Then you are the one trolling because you, again, do not try to argue your points like someone normal. Instead, let's attack that EngieBengie guy with ad hominem instead of proving him wrong with facts. I faced criticism, but unlike you, I bring my arguments to the table and defend my stance instead of cowardly throwing personal attacks and calling them trolls for presenting their opinions. Trolling is about posting an inflammatory response for the purpose of upsetting users. I doubt that's what I am doing, rather, I'm presenting my opinion. So next time, actually argue like a man. Also, there are no facts in my previous post because I'm addressing the manner you spoke to me rather than the stance you take on this discussion.

Nintendo's uniqueness is a hit or miss situation. Oh sure, you get your Splatoons (With no voice chat) and your Mario Galaxies, but you also get your Wii Musics and your Sticker Stars. This constant desire to make new controllers only to give up on them the next generation is a waste of money at best. The best games on Wii U (Mario Kart, Smash, Bayonetta, Super Mario 3D World) are all games that do not require the gamepad whatsoever and do nothing special with it. And this constant focus on how your games use the controller rather than the game being a memorable and fun experience is making me more and more worried about them.

If you were to ask long time Nintendo fans, and just video game enthusiasts in general what Nintendo's best console was, they often respond Super Nintendo. Why? 'cause it had the games. First Party and third party. And yet it does not matter if we don't have third party games right? Surely it does not matter not having your Witcher 3s, MGS V, Batman Arkham Knight, etc. right? Right? Yes it matters. Not everyone has the money to buy two consoles or, a Nintendo console and a capable PC but somehow, it's a huge offense to demand Nintendo to offer what they've managed to offer in the past: Third party games.

I welcome their craziness, but to assume that their craziness is somehow self sufficient and it going to save them and keep them in business is folly at best. It's not like they can deliver what Sony and Microsoft delivers and still be wacky but to some in this comment section, it's either one or the other.

@kingofthesofa Say it to my face. If you disagree so much with what I say, maybe, AND THAT'S JUST A GUESS, maybe you should present your arguments, your facts, whatever instead of saying that I'm "drinking Quorthon's kool aid". If you can't handle criticism, your best bet is to leave the internet period because, believe it or not, people on the internet have opinions that they will defend.

@Action51 Okay, this is one comment I just can't let go by unanswered.

First off, my first comment was an answer to people in the comment section, not the article. Idiot.

Second, since when is criticism trolling? Call me crazy but rather me being a troll, I'd say it's you being sensible and not being capable of facing harsh criticism. If that guy had the nerve to reply to me with such a sarcastic and condescending tone, without actually offering arguments and trying to prove me wrong, how are you NOT calling him a troll and me instead?

InnerSpirit's comment perfectly highlights my problems with Nintendo. Hence me agreeing with him. But somehow, someway, criticizing Nintendo is wrong and trollish to people like you, isn't it?

I was just as big of a Nintendo defender as a lot of people in this comment section and no matter how many times I defended their stupid decisions, they kept making exactly that, stupid decisions. Then I understood that being apologetic and defensive about things is not going to change anything unlike criticizing them.

So, before idiots like you start calling me a troll for criticizing, maybe you should ask yourself if you're the one being sensible.

@InnerSpirit Pretty much this. So many people can learn something from just that last line you wrote.

@TwilightAngel something I said bugging you, pal?

Being different doesn't make you the best. Just sayin'.

@AceTrainerBean Thou shalt be forgiven Kappa

@AceTrainerBean Jesus Christ, have you ever played a multiplayer game in your life? Anyone assuming Voice Chat is just people insulting each other is a casual who has never experienced online multiplayer with actual voice chat. That's just a stereotype, nothing more, nothing less.

@AyeHaley You're the most sane person in this discussion I've seen so far. lol

@MrGuinea It sounds like you are sensible to criticism. I demolished and proved why their arguments for having no voice chat is idiotic. There is literally no reason for it to NOT be there given my solution. And I don't use voice chat and if I were to, I wouldn't be a screamer, cussers and all these things you guys think constitutes the majority of voice chat users which isn't even close to be true.

The lack of voice chat remains an idiotic, stupid decision and no matter how many times they say something to defend it, it will NOT remove the fact that it is stupid. If people are going to just point out the negative about voice chat and entirely ignore the positive, might as well do the same for DLC. But guess what, Mario Kart 8 proves that DLC can be done right and people are all happy about about shoving in your face how well the DLC is done in that game. But somehow, someway, voice chat will draw yellers and kids who like to cuss and ONLY those? u. fukin. wot. Keep it turned off as default and those who do want to use can just turn it on. Simple solution that still keeps voice chat in the game. So yeah, there's no reason to not have voice chat.

@abbyhitter Maybe 'cause you can and that alone destroys the entire argument?

A moment of silence for Megaman.

@MJKOP Between him and the others I've seen arguing with him, Quorth is the one bringing the facts, the history, the numbers and setting the record straight on people having misconceptions on the competition. How am I upset? Am I the one who "teased" Quorthon because I can't handle facts? lol

@Project_Dolphin REREAD. THE. FIRST. SENTENCE. Since when did the word "SOME" apply to everyone? Some means a few, a couple, not the entire fanbase as you are trying to desperately making it seem like. You are literally distorting my words and making it seem that I am generalizing when I'm not. So before you throw out these words, actually understand what they mean first.

And Quorthon isn't acting like everyone in the fanbase does this. He addresses the fans that constantly blame third parties. It's a figure of speech, not a generalization. Get it right.

Stop apologizing, start acting.

@MJKOP Then why are you specifically saying this when Quorthy is defending is own points with facts. Reading his comments, he supports his arguments with facts, numbers and plain logic. What's wrong with that?

@Project_Dolphin Since when is "some" a generalization. The proof is before you. People still complaining that Slightly Mad is not bringing their game to Wii U and yet not addressing Nintendo's poor communication with devs, fans not complaining that Nintendo hasn't done jack to have pre-order bonuses with the Wii U version and yet they made a game together with TT. Where is the complaints towards Nintendo? I don't need to give a precise number because that's impossible and you are asking of me the impossible. You can plainly read their comments here, on Slightly Mad's article, on Metro Last Light's cancellation, on Ubisoft pretty much giving up on Wii U. No matter the reasons third parties put forth, there is always this group (OMG generalization lol) that will always put the blame on third parties and never say a thing about Nintendo.

@MJKOP Except it is Nintendo's fault. I've been one of those Nintendo defenders up until last year and what I notice is that to fans, Nintendo is never at fault. Things that are somehow impassable for third parties are somehow passable for Nintendo. Quorthon is pretty accurate with "because Nintendo" mindset fans have. Perfectly describes how some fans think.

My god, the negativity in the comment section is disheartening.

Not into Pokemon but if it's anything like the Smash documentary, Yes, I'll back that up

No F-Zero or Metroid at E3= Nintendo lost E3 for me.

@jedisquidward The tables have turned.

@Dr_Corndog My uncle said that Nintendo is making F-Zero FX with 60 players online. And Samus is playable. Kappa

Someone needs to gif this

@SethNintendo Basically, your logic is like "I find this boring so it should not exist" Get over it, we live in a different era and you must adapt to it. You may not find it entertaining but other people like me DO find it interesting. Your opinion regarding this has little value. If it bothers you, act like it doesn't freaking exist instead of stepping on the toes of those who do find enjoyment out of it.

@WingedSnagret Has absolutely nothing to do with that. Melee fans stick to Melee. It's the game they like, so people like you should just accept this fact and move on. Had Brawl and Smash 4 used the things that made Melee great competitively, Melee would most likely be dead. But Sakurai pretty much made the new games out of spite against the competitive scene, and naturally, the competitive Melee scene responded back by not supporting these games. Smash 4 fans have to work to make competitive Smash 4 successful. No one is or should be forced to play Smash 4 just because it's new if Melee had all the components they search for in a Smash game. It is only reasonable that they stick with Melee. Not to mention Melee grows bigger and bigger every year. Debates like this happen ALL the time in competive games. like CS 1.6 and CS GO.

@TheRedCap30 Welcome to the real world, where soccer player also make millions by kicking a ball across a field. Also, you're a fool if you think every let's player is millionaire. Accept that it's a new job and MOVE. ON.

@CapeSmash Because Melee is a VASTLY different game than Smash 4. Reason it is still played is that Melee is pretty much the best Smash game for competitive play, regardless of your opinion on it. The fans recognize Melee as being a superior competitive game and stick to it. Just because Smash 4 is a newer game does not mean people are forced to switch to the newer title. That is simply not how it works. You want Smash 4 to be big, smash 4 fans have to work for it to be big, the same way Melee fans did for Melee. Melee fans, if they think Smash 4 is defensive, has little to no approach options and Advanced Techniques, they are not forced to follow this game when Melee satisfies these perfectly.

Rayman or gtfo.

@Quorthon Hard to argue with what you said since it's factual however the Wii U, unlike other ninty systems, has no third party support. None. It's plagued with droughts. At this point, you just buy the next big game when it comes out, beat it and wait some more. Mario Kart, Mario 3D World, Smash Bros. all come and gone to no avail. At this point, either Nintendo gives up on the Wii U or they keep making games on it. And a little advertising for Metroid isn't going to hurt of course.

@ZeroZX-Dev Again, why should you care about it being system seller? The biggest system sellers, 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros. have come and gone, what are you left with? Either you abandon the Wii U, which would be bad, or you keep making games on it.

Why do people care if it is or isn't a system seller? It's up to Nintendo to better advertise their games. And Metroid is arguably one of the best series Nintendo has. That alone is reason enough to make a new one.

DASSIT KIDS, HOP ON THE HYPE TRAIN!!!

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What hostility are you talking about? lol. As far as I'm concerned, the customer buys what he cares for, making Nintendo some cash. If they make something I don't care about or something that I think is stupid and do not want to support, it is the customer's right to just not buy it. We tell them what we want, they give us what we want, we give them money and they make money. They're a business, making money is their goal don't know why you keep giving me this customer behavior stuff.

Hostility was the last thing I was going for. I simply believe in my position, I believe in my arguments and when I know that Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot, I call em out. That simple.

You cannot say that you are being objective if you can't put yourself in the youtubers shoes. You're doing this with Nintendo and you should do this with the Youtubers. Let's not forget that it's just the ad revenue that is the problem, it's also the terms themselves. And it's not like every youtuber against this are condescending. They too raise excellent arguments. And also, no one is denying them respect for making youtube videos. Would a fan be making Nintendo let's plays if he didn't like them? No. They're doing this because they like your games so if you're just going to give them a lesser deal than they used to have and have your hands around their collars as far what they can and can't do, then yes, you are going to get hate. The mere fact that even some of the most loyal fans of Nintendo are having an issue with this is a red alert, especially considering that they are going through their toughest generation yet.

"And you misunderstand how profits work within the gaming industry and where things lay. Ten years ago Sony was worth $100 billion. Now they're around $10 billion give or take." gaming industry but you take this from Sony as a whole. The only reason Nintendo is so rich is because they charge their consoles more than they are worth. Not to mention instead of using the money they made from the Wii era to make the Wii U a strong powerful, third party friendly console, they just opted for the same blue ocean strategy. Also things like the whole Pokemon 1 and pokemon 2, with the complete pokemon3 coming out the next year and then remake pokemon 0. Playstation gives the fans what they ask for. The PS3 started out badly but took the criticism and became easily the best console of last gen. Ain't too sure about the xbox. Don't forget that Sony is more than just gaming. Their Playstation devision is profiting and in this discussion, that's what matters.

And whatever you say about the PS4, the PS4 is at least the powerful console fans wanted it to be, with new IPs and third party support. It's nice that Nintendo has money but if they don't do anything with it, there's nothing to be excited over.

Meh, some people are dumb and just don't know that development for nextgen systems start almost immediately after the current one is released.

I think you took the "you had one job" literally. This is a meme but a meme used to show that even though Nintendo is primarily a gaming company, they could not hold the third parties for long which shows they aren't doing a good job. And not all of them stopped supporting Nintendo because they can't compete. If that was the case, the GameCube and Wii would be like the Wii U and have no third parties. Some like Bethesda just didn't like the controller or whatever they said, others simply found the system too weak. Regarding F-Zero, understand that I WANT a new F-Zero, freaking love the series. However, far too many times have I been wrong for thinking that something cool will happen (Rayman leak being fake, Nintendo buying Atlus which didn't happen, etc). I simply am waiting solid evidence that such a thing will happen. If Miyamoto said what he said, then, for me, there is no reason to be excited. I simply don't want to be disappointed again.

What I meant was that now that third parties are gone, they have to make sure that each game they make is a great one to make the customer's purchase worth it. This is quite stressful.

You can try and see things from the point of view but Dan Adelman, an employee for years, has said that there are decisions taken by top executives that alienate other executives.

@ShadyKnights This is the second time that you tell me that the customer can be wrong and the second time you leave the possibility of Nintendo also being the dumb ones. Also, for someone who said that I am hostile (Cussing isn't automatically hostile behavior) and that in our previous encounter criticized me for being to one sided, you sure don't hold back calling the content creators whiny and entitled when they have very good reasons to hate this program ie: The unfair terms. You can try and put yourself in Nintendo's shoes all you want, the fact remains Nintendo is thirsty for control and go outright paranoid if they don't have this control. It was clear since the NES era where they exercised a monopoly. They're pretty much like an overprotective mom. They think they are doing right but truly are doing wrong.

Whatever your view of someone should behave regarding these issues, you aren't seeing how things are being done these days. These days, developers do give their fans permission to post their work on youtube and monetize it and this happens more and more these days. You know, because giving your fans permission is also an option and at least one that isn't gonna cause such arguments among Nintendo fans. And I'll enforce the point I've presented last comment yet again: because you make a law doesn't mean it is 100% right. The government can raise taxes if they so wish and it would be in their right. Doesn't mean the people protesting against this are complete donkey hats. Same exact thing for Nintendo's Youtube Program.

"Call for Nintendo to adapt ignores how Nintendo has pushed the industry forward with shoulder buttons, analogue sticks, touch screen game play, wireless controllers, native multiple controllers on consoles, and people want them to conform?" Yes, they should conform. All these things are things that happened in the past. Your past achievements aren't gonna do the work for you. The present and future is the one thing that should matter to you. What is happening in the present? They made the Wii U GamePad, a bulky controller that isn't even used to its full potential. Most of the best games on Wii U don't make use of it and already they're planning new control schemes for the NX when they haven't even scratched the surface of how the GamePad can be used. The kicker? Sony and Microsoft aren't even using this new control scheme. Nintendo's past achievements are exactly that, past achievements. Sony isn't dying as you claim they are granted the PS4 is doing exceptionally well and is not showing signs of stopping. Whatever Nintendo's financial status is, if your consoles don't sell, they don't sell. Pure and simple. They don't have to go bankrupt to realize that consoles aren't profitable and drop them. And unless you've been living under a rock, Nintendo is hardly relevant these days. In comparison to the PS4, the Xbox One, the PC, Nintendo is just... there. Sure, they make great games but business is business and if you don't sell. RIP. SEGA wasn't on the edge of bankruptcy when they killed the Dreamcast.

Ah, and third parties. Nintendo's failure to keep third parties interested in their console. A company whose main focus are games... losing more developers and thus more games. You had one job. Now they're left alone. What they should've been doing is opening more studios. Are they doing this? No. And since you like to get into Nintendo's shoes, get into the shoes of the the developers who have the weight of the world on their back and have to make sure the games they make are amazing. Tell me I'm wrong here. Metroid will most likely come back. F-Zero? Miyamoto said it clear as crystal that they aren't making one until they have the proper controller for it. And that's not me being negative here. That's straight from Miyamoto.

@ShadyKnights seriously? The consumers can be dumb argument again? Leaving out the possibility of companies also being dumb? In a Nintendo related article? I'm not trying to act like we consumers can't be wrong but here's the kicker, Analysts, journalists, fans of Nintendo and fans of the competitors are all complaining about Nintendo right now. Hell, Dan Adelman, a freaking Nintendo employer that worked there for years, realizes that Nintendo is stuck in the past. Simply put, in this case, Nintendo are the ones being dumb, not the consumer. And Nintendo being an ENTERTAINMENT company, yeah, we can ask them what the hell we want. They depend on us and not vice versa. Regarding the EVO thing, no. Just no. Arguments aren't moot against what they did. Whatever the reason was, it sure was stupid because now they're sponsors to fix the crap they made.

There's nothing assholish to want something from an entertainment company, they live to entertain. That simple. All they want is money and as long as they make money they're good. Nothing that hard to understand here. Nintendo's dumb decision making however keeps them losing their faithful fans so there's a problem and it's a fact. So them, being a business dependant on fans where the competitors (Sony and Microsoft) are actively giving their fans what they want and listen to their complaints, they need to either listen and adapt or die as a gaming business. It's not the 80s or 90s anymore where Nintendo exercised a monopoly, I now have the choice to support Microsoft, Sony or Steam if I'm displeased with Nintendo and even use emulators to play their games without giving them a penny. so yeah.

''They say Nintendo is within their rights so follow Nintendo's rules and shush'' I'm far from being a sheep who just blindly follows what Nintendo does if I know for a fact that the decision they make is a bad one. Let's not forget the government can screw you over if they so wish (raising taxes and whatnot) and make it the law. So, you see, shushing is not an option for me. Not to mention Nintendo wants full control over the content these fans produce and the terms are beyond unreasonable. So it's not baseless petulant whining when someone disagrees with the obviously unfair terms, because, you know, the ad revenue isn't the only thing to this program. Is it entitlement and self delusion to have to delete all your freaking videos that aren't on the whitelist to enter the program so you can profit from videos? You know the answer, I know the answer and it's ''No''.

Yet, they lost to Tomita technologies.

You know what would be smart? If they stopped their pointless war with emulators and instead use the people being these emulators to bring games to Virtual Console.

@TingLz Out of curiosity for an HD remake of a classic. People who are fans or just gamers watch these sorts of projects. Plenty of existing fans are now wanting an HD version of Mario 64. Admittedly, it ain't straightforward and you make a good point that Mario is already famous. However games like Splatoon and older and lesser know titles like Earthbound do benefit from such exposure. Mario, not so much.