Video: Did You Know Gaming? Tackles Metroid Prime, Dread and a Cancelled 3DS Entry

I think it's important for Nintendo to show what's going on with Metroid at E3. If they go by this we are only going to show what's coming out this year approach then it will be a big failure for them. The top things they need is Metroid and whatever Retro is doing. We already know most of what's coming this year, do we really need to see much more of that?

Metroid Dread was a mod of Goldeneye Rogue Agent on the DS. It was never real.

@Spoony_Tech Yes cause we haven't seen or read anything about Devil's Third and Star Fox U. And every year i read comments saying we need Metroid at E3! Why? It's been so many years,why do you think they will just announce it or better yet even make it?

Nintendo: Purposely Tanking the Wii U since 2012.

@Zach777 metroid has never been a system seller

@TwilightAngel your tone is very negative. metroid has only skipped two pieces of nintendo hardware to date. ( n64,virtual boy) it's reason enough to expect one on this factor alone.

I would like to have a metroid game sometime in the future it's been to long.

I just....I just can't wait for another metroid game. In fact. I want the ype more than anything else. This year nintendo, please let it be this year that you'll show something metroid related at E3. men. Just thinking about a Metroid on wii u, the map on gamepad you could look at, move, take notes etc, while not pausing the game (like WWHD) would be amazing. reading log entry on gamepad as well. etc. and also, please annouce a new 2.5D metroid on 3ds. with bonus when linked on wii u. you see my point? I wanna be hyped.

I predict there will be a new Metroid exclusive to the New 3DS releasing this holiday. Nintendo needs a reason for people to buy the new hardware.

I think their best bet for rebooting Metroid is another 2D entry, something entirely fresh though. I hope it will continue the good work of Metroid Fusion, a game which is the most playable of the 2D games in my opinion.

@ZenTurtle: Funny you should say that, I could never get into Fusion. The most playable of the 2D games IMO is Zero Mission.

I really, really hope they hand Retro back the rights to make another Metroid, after Other M I'm seriously doubting Nintendo and Sakamoto's direction of the franchise.

We need another metroid for Wii U

@UboaNoticedYou
I like Zero Mission as much as Fusion (and in some respects a bit more), but it was just so short! Fusion was an original game rather than a remake, which is probably why it is my favourite of the two.

@faint I'm saying we haven't seen Metriod for years at E3 or anywhere else,what makes you or anyone else think they will just show it now?

@UboaNoticedYou Well Retro has been working on something, what it is no one knows. Hopefully they will unveil that project at E3.

@nf_2

Given that Metroid Dread was supposed to be a side-scroller, and Goldeneye: Rogue Agent was a first-person-shooter... I find that unlikely.

@ZenTurtle
Fusion was very original and canonically just as important as Zero Mission, but I enjoyed Zero Mission more strictly from a gameplay standpoint, even though it was way too short (probably because the original Metroid had a lot of climbing platforms to pad out the game, which was removed in ZM). I do hope they take the positives from Fusion (great art direction, more backstory to Samus) and not the negatives (linearity, lack of sequence breaks). Plus, I'd like to see Samus exist and operate independently from the Federation.

@nf_2

Can you provide a source for your claims?
And can that source dispute Sakamoto talking about the game in interviews?
http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/03/13/gdc-10-sakamoto-on-metroid-dread-please-be-patient

@UboaNoticedYou
I agree with all of that! However, we are implying that they have a new game in development, but unfortunately I think they have all but abandoned Metroid.

Metroid is a game a vocal few love to death (myself included) but that never sells much more than a million copies. Even on the Wii with 100 million potential customers, Metroid Prime 3 and Other M both sold right on par with every other Metroid before it.

Not that 1 mil isn't decent- a lot of games Nintendo releases are 1 million sellers. But most of them didn't have fan backlash with people freaking out, rating the game a 1/10 all because of one or two questionable design choices.

So from Nintendo's view, they're probably reluctant to release another. What if people don't like the armor design, or the art style, that very well could mean more 1/10 reviews and top the "worst games of the generation" list. If it's not PERFECT, it's at risk of being labeled utter garbage. So why would they event want to bother with a franchise like that? Limited sales potential, high risk of backlash and slander... I wouldn't wanna make a Metroid game either if I were them.

With that said, I'm almost confident they are making a new Metroid. Not just one, but two. Nintendo said as much last E3. And taking into account Retro's history and past franchise options, I think it's almost a given Retro is handling the Wii U version. I also agree with the person above who suggested the 3DS version will be new3DS exclusive.

There was talk about a Metroid/Starfox crossover a while back. Maybe we have seen so little of Star Fox because they are saving the Samus reveal for E3? Just speculation ( and a dash of dreaming )

@Zach777

>Implying that metroid was a system seller to begin with.

Hahahahahaha

No seriously, stop deluding yourself thinking that Metroid can move copies. The problem we have as to why Metroid never sells is because of people having no interest despite fans pushing for it to be made. Metroid Prime, the best of the series to date didn't even move units for the GameCube era, what makes you think it will move now?

@TwilightAngel because it's widely accepted that the wiiu's life span will be short and metroid rarely skips a console. Also many youtubers who have an in with nintendo like game explain keep talking about how they expect it. This is only a single confirm untill they state its a fact but it's enough to get fans excited

@Shire Check the "gameplay" they showed in the video again from Metroid Dread and compare it to Rogue Agent. It's just a re-skin.

@link422007 it will move as many as it always does. It's a core nintendo title in the same way pikmin is but more popular. Smash and mario kart are loved by core and casual alike so they suffer from small instal in a way metroid will not. The core nintendo home console owners already have a wiiu. All it does is shine a light on how few of us are out their. The core handheld market is much bigger.

Huh... interesting info regarding scanning. In Prime it was cool, in 2 it was "er, again?", and in 3 it was "MISSABLES, HOW I HATE THEE". Although it didn't stop me from 100%ing all three games.

Of course, it wasn't THAT bad, and it did reveal more about the worlds and other such things. But the fear that you toggled to your scan visor CONSTANTLY, all throughout the game, only to find you still missed a scan way back whenever... scarey stuff.

I hate the Omega Pirate when he's controlled by the AI. I'd loathe him if I dared to put human intelligence behind the wheel.

Splatoon is screaming for Metroid DLC. Outfit your inkling with the varia suit, turn into a morph ball, explore a norfair map... just wait.

I'll take a Metroid on anything, but I'd like a new 2D one the most for sure.

I find that Metroid is another Nintendo IP in dire need of being revitalized, much like Fire Emblem before Awakening. They need to announce something soon and promote it properly, because sadly the franchise is feeling more and more dead as months go by and there's nothing new in the Metroid universe to talk about.

Damn it Nintendo, I want Metroid 5 on 3DS.

I'd rather see a 2D Metroid.

I don't care what manner its delivered in, just want/need a new Metroid

@nf_2 You're thinking of Halo DS. That was a mod of Rogue Agent.

@RudysaurusRex Yeah was gonna say I thought Halo DS was a Re-Skin of a game, so good shout for rejogging my memory KUDOS to you bud

Why? Games like Starfox 2, Mega Man Legends 3, this... They don't want my money. Sure, I'm not crazy about that design on Samus' suit... But I would've played it.

@icedude545 they make more then pretty much any other dev. Including valve.

Why do people care if it is or isn't a system seller? It's up to Nintendo to better advertise their games. And Metroid is arguably one of the best series Nintendo has. That alone is reason enough to make a new one.

@EngieBengie Nintendo is a company and games which will sell the Wii U are obviously higher on their list than that which don't, meaning the ones who won't are more likely not going to come.

E3 2015 is only one month away and I really hope and really think they're going to announce Metroid for October or November 2016.

Nintendo just has to release a metroid next year or at least tell us what's going on with the franchise.

@geheimxy That won't happen, November 2016 is Zelda U's slot (if it's not delayed to NX launch).

@Grumblevolcano I'm starting to think it will be. I would estimate that the wii U has until 2017 before NX comes rolling around. Nintendo said they want wii u owners to be happy, and i think another year will be how they do it. Star fox in 2015 with XBCX and splatoon. Nest year we get Zelda U, yearly mario game, and another title. I think a metriod consle will be a launch title for NX. and they will add something to link it with the N3DS to stop a VERY short life span. But i do think that if we do get another metriod in 15/16 it will be for N3DS.

@LordofMentos I can't see them launching a Metroid game only for New 3ds. They want as many sales as possible and the install base isn't there. Plus the backlash would be huge.

@nf_2 that wasn't game play for Metroid Dread, that was Metroid Prime Hunters. That was a real game that released.

@EngieBengie Metroid doesn't sell well period. That alone, is a factor to whether or not another game is made.
Before you try: having a lot of fans =/= actual sales.

What is the probability that retro is actually working on a new metroid prime style game

Oh yes, let's release a new metroid game after 5 years, as a new 3ds exclusive! We know metroid doesn't sell very well, but let's limit it even more! We can totally sell it to those 5 people out there! sarcasm As much as I want a new metroid, there is no way I will ever buy a new 3ds. Sorry. I, and many others will be very disappointed if it is new 3ds exclusive.

you guys understand that for Nintendo to release a new Metroid, there must be people in studios to make a super highy quality title that expand the barries of one of most high-level franchises ever; rabbids don't come easy

I need more Metroid in my life.

@EngieBengie

Isn't it frustrating? I don't care what these armchair analysts have to say. I want a Wii U Metroid.

Wii U is tanking with or without Metroid. Just putting a Metroid game on it would give fans something to play while we watch the system keel over.

A new Metroid is always at the top of my E3 reveals.

Here's hoping this year we finally get something! (Especially with the series' 30th anniversary being next year.)

@nf_2 Well, yeah. They were just using something that would give a good example as to what it might look like, there was never any actual gameplay footage shown.

@LightSuitGuy Next year is Zelda 30th anniversary so I get the feeling Metroid's anniversary will be overlooked again.

I fully expect to see what Retro is up to this year at E3, and only half expect Metroid to appear in some form. My concern comes in because of how the series has been sliding lately. Retro's output created three of the best games ever designed, while the Japanese side has allowed the franchise to languish, and the recent output has been little more than three games all intended to clone Super Metroid in some form, from Fusion reusing weapons, items, and enemies, to the "Super-ified" remake of the original game with Zero Mission, to Other M's devastatingly terrible overall design coupling boring, linear, button-mash gameplay with the worst and most sexist story this side of Duke Nukem slashfic. Even Other M was just made to brainlessly capitalize on Super Metroid, yet again reusing weapons, enemies, environments, and uninspired 2-D design.

Metroid has no place to grow in 2D. Nintendo has proven three times over that they don't know how to advance the franchise in this except to, somehow, think reducing the exploration to "none" for boring forced linearity is the way to go. At this point, I'm getting my Metroid-style fix with Bloodborne, which is the best "Metroid" game since Prime 3.

@Zach777

If they announced Metroid as a new title for NX, that might actually mean something. Then I'd almost have to get it.

Though, as has been noted, Metroid has never been one of Nintendo's most popular brands, and it has been selling worse and worse with each new installment with Other M having some of the worst sales--granted,it deserved the worst sales as absolutely nothing about it was done well. Maybe the pre-rendered cinematics were of a decent quality, though they're damaged because they exist to beg players to "remember how awesome Super Metroid was? We're going to make another game inexplicably wrapped around that one."

As much as I'd hate for the franchise to end on such a low note (Other M), I'd rather it just stay dead than for them to continue the extremely sexist drivel that defined that one.

By the way, for those of you that still want to make the lame-ass argument that Other M wasn't sexist, tell me if you'd accept Link, Master Chief, Marcus Fenix, or Gordon Freeman in a story like Other M, being treated differently for their gender and talked down to by everyone the entire time while they struggle with "daddy issues" for a parasitic alien woodtick. If you wouldn't accept any male character in the same role as Samus in Other M, but you think it's fine for Samus "because ladyparts," that is sexism.

Please understand.

@Savino

Nintendo has plenty of resources to do another 3-D Metroid game, hopefully heavily westernized (like the Prime games), and erasing Other M (and Fusion). Keep in mind, as much as I'd hate Retro to exist just to be a "Metroid and DKC" company, they have been pretty quiet since DKC:Tropical Freeze was released two years ago.

Frankly, though, I'd rather see Retro make a sequel to Eternal Darkness. I don't have any confidence that any new Metroid games will be any good, and all of the terrible, terrible storytelling in Other M came right from Sakamoto, who judging from the content of that game, should not only never be allowed to write another story ever, but also probably shouldn't be allowed near women. Team Ninja washed their hands of Other M a long time ago.

It's sad to say, but Other M (and to an extent, Fusion) sucked because of the same guy who made Super Metroid so great. Apparently, that was when he peaked.

I want to point out that Retro has been working on a mystery project for over two years now.

@EngieBengie

It matters if Metroid is a system seller more now than ever. Nintendo had their major system sellers--Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros U--and they failed to move systems or turn the console around.

If even those didn't sell consoles, then little else is likely to at this point. Zelda is historically not a system seller, and the Metroid games have long hovered around irrelevance. The most popular titles in the franchise, sales-wise, are the original NES Metroid, and the main Prime trilogy. Prime 1 was the franchise's peak.

The point is that now, it's very clear that the Wii U will never outsell the GameCube, so Nintendo's potential profits on any game are extremely limited. They can gamble and spend a lot of money developing a new Metroid (which I expect they are anyway), and risk losing that money, or not. But they know that Metroid is not going to expand the audience, especially in Japan where the entirety of the Metroid franchise has never been particularly well-received.

Which makes the very Japanese-centric focus of Other M even more confusing. Seriously, there was like no good design decisions put into any part of that disaster.

@Quorthon I refuse to understand for so many reasons. Other M was so often debated as for what it could stand and saying that "it is sexist to show Samus like this" is just ridiculous. She is a woman, she has an athletic body and yes, her zero suit is skintight. It is really like a broken record to hear all this. You see, there are woman actually, who look equal like this. Do we say "get fat and ugly" to them? No. Why? Because it would be retarded and envy. The whole body shaming thing is insane on believe, but only one aspect of why people hate Other M. The other one is, that Samus has to follow orders... from a man. Honestly, I when I heard this, I couldn't believe how stupid people are, because it seemed like they have jack knowledge on how a military squad works, and to clear things, Samus joined Adam's squad because she wanted to help him. And that she has feeling for him, yeah... that is sexist as well. I know, I could go on and one, but I'm getting really tired of this nonsense, so I say, if people see this as sexist, people will see other things like the Protein World commercial as sexist as well, which it isn't. But alas, people will always see things, because this is something that is coded in our genes... sadly. As for me, I never bothered how Samus looked because I liked her as a hero and that she showed emotions was amazing for me, because at that point, I saw that she was only a mere mortal and not a mindless killer.

But those are my two coins. Make whatever you want with it.

@RudysaurusRex
Whoops. That's what it was.

@Grumblevolcano I'd expect Nintendo to at least acknowledge it this time around.

Zelda got plenty of attention with its 25th anniversary.

@CharlyDunst

You totally misunderstand.

Other M is sexist because of the portrayal of Samus Aran.

In previous Metroid games Samus:

1. Was tough and independent.
2. Was fearless and solitary.
3. Depended only on her own skills and strengths.
4. Basically destroyed an entire planet.
5. Committed mass extinction to various living species.
6. And no previous Metroid game spent any amount of time trying to write a ridiculous story around "Samus is a lady" or treating the character with kids gloves for her gender.
7. Samus affects every aspect of the plot of the game.

In Other M:

1. Samus is weak and incapable of making decisions unless a male character gives her permission.
2. Samus is ineffective in the plot of the game, and all major events are occur around her, not because of her.
3. Samus is berated and treated differently by male characters because of her gender.
4. Samus' behavior is that of a spoiled teenage girl, not the behavior of a brave warrior who had previously committed mass death and extinction to numerous lifeforms--and by the events of Other M, she had killed Ripley nearly half a dozen times in various forms. All of a sudden, she "turns into a little girl" at the sight of a creature she knows is easy to kill. A Swartzenegger-esque action movie line of "this crap again? Time to ground you for good" would actually have been more fitting.
5. Samus is totally inept and repeatedly requires saving from male stereotypes. She is actually turned into a damsel in distress in her own damn game.
6. Special attention was given to Samus being a female, and this was constantly hammered into the story telling: She has mommy issues with a parasitic alien woodtick. She constantly talks about "baby stuff." Every opportunity is taken to show her as a woman. The "tough-guy male stereotypes" talk down to her as "that little girl that used to hang with the big boys."
7. Basically, Samus is constantly treated different because of her gender. She is talked down to. She is treated rudely. She is ignored. She is given embarrassing orders. All because she's female. And the most sexist part is that they portrayed Samus as a damaged, weak, pathetic little woman, not based on character traits, but based entirely on gender. Pure sexism.

You simply fail to understand what sexism actually is which, unfortunately, is quite sexist in itself. Don't feel bad, just learn from it. Because it can make you a better person.

Here's the thing, would you accept the Other M story if, instead of Samus, it was Link? Or Master Chief? Or Marcus Fenix (Gears of War)? Or even Duke Nukem? Because Samus is akin to Master Chief and Marcus Fenix, and in Other M, they turned her into an unlikable version of Peach spliced with Paris Hilton--which is already unlikable enough. They took one of the toughest characters in gaming and turned her into an emotional trainwreck, and they did it all, not for any good storytelling reason, but entirely because she is female, and that is monumentally sexist.

If you wouldn't accept Master Chief being berated by "former comrades", having daddy feelings for alien parasites, and standing around being useless, then why accept it of Samus? I do not accept it of Samus, but you think that her being treated this way because of her gender is okay. And that is full-blown sexism.

To just focus on her body at best misses the point due to ignorance, and at worst, is a deliberate straw man argument. I could really care less if she looks sexy in the game. They could make an entire Metroid game where she has to go around in the Zero Suit for all I care, that alone wouldn't make it sexist. But if she was treated like crap at every opportunity "because she has ladyparts," that is the core of sexism. Treating someone differently because of gender.

That game is the most sexist pile of crap ever created by a major game studio. Worse than any Duke Nukem game. Worse than any Ninja Gaiden game. Worse than any Senran Kagura game.

And it's worse because they took Ellen Ripley from Aliens, and turned her into Newt (the little girl) from Aliens--but even Newt had more strength of character than Samus Aran did in Other M. I guess it's more like taking Ellen Ripley from Aliens and turning her into Paris Hilton from House of Wax.

There would have been good ways to show Samus as human without reducing her to such drivel, but Sakamoto made the decision (or lacked the talent) not to. Giving her daddy issues toward Adam Malkovich doesn't make her "look human" unless you think stalkers are "more human." It makes her look sociopathic and emotionally damaged. She obsesses over a male character who couldn't give a crap about her. Have you ever seen Aliens? Ripley was a raging bad-ass throughout the movie, and she still showed ample humanity and emotions. Her connection to Newt wasn't because of "ladyparts issues," it was a defensive measure and could be psychologically linked to the loss of her own family due to her time asleep in space. So many people had died and the situation looked hopeless, but she found strength in Newt, who was a survivor against odds.

We see Ripley break down in the movie, not because of her gender, but because of a reason any of us would--she carried heavy loss--loss of friends and crewmates, loss of her old life and family. Where Samus just turned into a little girl that literally needed to be saved by male characters, Ripley took her pain and grief and turned it into strength, and that strength drove the plot forward and she affected everyone around her. Samus didn't do this. She took her emotional baggage and let it make her weak. She has bizarre and unsettling attachments to hateful male patriarchs and disgusting alien parasites. All of a sudden, she has stupid mommy feelings for a lifeform she cared nothing for--a creature that was so primitive, that it imprinted on her due to timing alone, but so dangerous that Samus knew full well the entire species needed to be made extinct.

It's not about "looking into it." It's about human understanding. Would you want people treating your mother or sister or whatever the way Samus was treated? Would you want them behaving like Samus in Other M? Constantly weak, constantly obsessing over dangerous, uncaring men? Constantly regressing emotionally to childhood?

Please in the future use less profanity (even if you are trying to make a point), after I found 5+ uses I just deleted the whole thing.

-Amiibo

Edit: Sorry, Amiibo... won't happen again. @Quorthon, don't tell me what sexism is, because I know this too well if you were able to read my former post. You are so much off the topic as you could think this is, but I'm not going to rewrite the whole post again.

Feel free to live in your fantasy world with all the other wannebe feminists as you like, but stop poisoning the well from which you drink.
I'm done here.

@ZeroZX-Dev Again, why should you care about it being system seller? The biggest system sellers, 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros. have come and gone, what are you left with? Either you abandon the Wii U, which would be bad, or you keep making games on it.

@Quorthon Hard to argue with what you said since it's factual however the Wii U, unlike other ninty systems, has no third party support. None. It's plagued with droughts. At this point, you just buy the next big game when it comes out, beat it and wait some more. Mario Kart, Mario 3D World, Smash Bros. all come and gone to no avail. At this point, either Nintendo gives up on the Wii U or they keep making games on it. And a little advertising for Metroid isn't going to hurt of course.

Interesting stuff.