A thought has been rumbling around this writer's mind for the past few days - Nintendo is weird. It really is. Writing about the company on a daily basis brings on a permanent state of double taking, and it's when looking outside of the big N bubble it becomes clear how peculiar it is. It simply doesn't play the same tune as its rivals in the console space, and behaves rather more like a toy company - which it was in the past and, effectively, still is.
An example of Nintendo's quirkiness came in this week's Nintendo Direct Micro, which gave some localised information from a more typical Direct that had previously been broadcast in Japan. It was typical Nintendo in that it was happy to be ridiculous in a bid to amuse us and, perhaps, its own teams - in summary Bill Trinen became a 'micro' presenter, just because it was funny.
Yet that's not rare for the company, but common across its departments. We've seen Nintendo of Europe President Satoru Shibata dress up and pose as Ace Attorney, and we've seen Shigeru Miyamoto wandering around on screen - behind company President Satoru Iwata - with a Poltergust 5000.
As we approach E3, we're also reminded yet again that Nintendo has a policy of doing as it pleases, happier to forge its own path rather than try to out-do Sony or Microsoft. How many companies have built hype over two consecutive years with crazy E3 announcement videos, in which - at different points - they've had a leading executive pretend to be a robot or to train for a tournament by playing a Virtual Boy? How many companies even contemplate that level of goofiness?
Beyond that we have the games, of course, and in a marketplace full of experiences that - on opposite ends of the scale - are often mature or smart device free-to-play experiences, Nintendo still has a knack of producing its own blend of titles that can grab attention on a significant mainstream level. Look at the sales figures for Animal Crossing: New Leaf and what it did to boost the 3DS in a vital period, or the enduring power of any game with Mario Kart in the title. Irreverent, colourful fun, and it's typical that when Nintendo produces a new IP that's also a shooter it ends up being Splatoon - retina scorching in style and taking the genre back to a childish desire to cause a mess as opposed to achieving gory headshots.
For these reasons and many, many more, we certainly need Nintendo. Gaming is like any other creative medium in that it thrives only with variety, and the output from Kyoto and its global teams is integral to that. Gaming simply wouldn't be as vibrant as it is without the triple-A scene epitomised on PS4, Xbox One and PC, and it would feel lacking without the explosion of the download-only Indie scene. It'd also have less mainstream reach without smart devices and the games they can bring, including some that are high quality, impressive efforts.
Yet it's important that Nintendo finds a way to maintain itself and retain a leading role, too. Let's not forget that the big N has created and continued to forge the world's leading dedicated gaming handheld - the 3DS plays a vital role in the company's success but also in proving that portable gaming systems are still a valid part of the industry. Disappointments with the Wii U shouldn't crush Nintendo's spirit with that console or its willingness to be bold in the next generation, either; the admirable current-gen system may be languishing behind its rivals, but the last great idea - with the Wii - conquered all before it.
There was a time, up to the end of the SNES era, when Nintendo was in the position in which Sony and Microsoft find themselves - dominating the third-party scene. Yet those times are long gone, and may not come back in quite the same way; Nintendo will surely gain little by competing in a hardware arms race - all indications suggest it won't even try.
Nintendo's future will likely continue the quest for products that defy pigeon-holed focus group assessments, in that search for the 'blue ocean' that, in real terms, means "something so cool that everyone will want it". In that sense Nintendo's destined for boom and bust, as creativity and non-standard products either take off or struggle, with little room in the middle ground. While other projects may bore the pants off of established fans, it's that hot and cold reality that makes the expansion into smart device apps and 'Quality of Life' important. If Nintendo can make profits even when some systems struggle, that gives it the scope to continue its own merry way.
Nintendo will continue to infuriate with its peculiarity and strange priorities, too. It'll show a baffling lack of understanding when fans tear their hair out over the insanity that is amiibo stock levels, it'll likely make decisions and announcements that are at best flawed and at worst awful, and it'll continue to bemuse and confuse on a regular basis.
Yet when Nintendo runs its next humour-laden broadcast - likely to now be its E3 Digital Event - or unveils another game that's almost unbearably cute, colourful or creative, we should all be appreciative. Nintendo may not have all the games and genres we could want as it arguably did in the NES and SNES era, but it provides real value and variety in these most noisy and baffling times in the game industry.
Nintendo is weird, but that's not an entirely bad thing.
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Articles like this are soooo NintendoLife. Loving it.
Their videos are beyond cringeworthy. And I absolutely love them.
It's like laughing at your grandpa's jokes because it's more funny that HE thinks they're funny.
I agree, I was almost at tears..........
Honestly, the gaming world needs the goofy fun games and the serious AAA games as they all give something new and provide a sort of balance. If all games were goofy, they'd never be seen as anything but toys, if all games were super serious, then we'd lose the fun in a way. Hopefully nintendo can stay in business so we can keep the balance in the gaming industry
I feel a star wars reference is needed? nah
Great article. Nintendo are awesome, how boring would it be without them?! I'll tell you how boring, I wouldn't bother with gaming anymore. Keep it up Nintendo, I'm 34 but I love you, and so do my kids
Aonuma making the cucco dance will never be topped. Not even by Nintendo.
And of course I agree with Tom here. I like Nintendo for being different, and I don't have issues buying two consoles each gen. Conforming to the HD twins standards would dilute them and eventually destroy them. And we don't need three of the same thing.
Gretchen: You're weird!
Donnie: Sorry
Gretchen: No. It's a compliment
Nintendo will always do its own thing and that's what makes them special.
The biggest problem I have with SOME XB1/PS4 players is that there is a belief that playing Bloodborne or Halo or Assassin's Creed is somehow more 'grown up' than a quick game of MK8 and a dash of Splatoon. 'Mature gaming' is merely a distraction to real life just like Nintendo, and any pretense of spending 60 hours watching a screen hunting zombies as 'Adult' is a farce. Whatever your poison, it's only a game. And if you enjoy it, good for you.
Games are supposed to be fun, irreverent, time wasting, distracting, and entertaining. We in the modern 1st world now have the leisure to play in our free time unlike our Grandparents generation, and how we do so is up to us alone. Nintendo is my distraction from work, awkward friends and relatives, and those worries that I can't solve. The world needs Nintendo and companies who produce entertainment like them to remind us we should enjoy life.
Being different doesn't make you the best. Just sayin'.
It's why I love their games so much. I see people saying that games are art and as such should be mature and 'grow up', should represent everyone and be 'progressive' and act like propaganda, but that's not why I love gaming.
My job can be stressful, I've got responsibilities. When I sit down to game I want fun, charm, action, excitement, weirdness, atmosphere and wonder. And that is what sealed the deal for me getting a Wii U. I looked at the games that were out and the games coming up for it and said "This has what I crave."
You only need to look at Iwata Asks interviews to see that they're talking with developers who love gaming, and that love shines through in the products they release.
@EngieBengie If you say so man if you effing say so. [sarcasm]
Oh i can hate them all i want for all the nonsense they pull ,but i keep coming back damn it.This company is something else
I honestly would have stopped playing video games a long time ago if it wasn't for Nintendo. Them and pre-2006 SEGA were what gaming should be about.
Excellent article. Yes. Nintendo really does have an important role to play. Splatoon, for example, has captured my imagination and even a bit of nostalgia with it's bright late 80s/early 90s colors and vibe. Yet for all the nostalgic feels, it still is a "fresh," modern game in a genre that still feels unique to me because I so often shy away from others like it due to their dark and military-focused themes. Nintendo's quirkiness is even a part of my own personality and I wonder how much of that has to do with growing up with the NES, SNES and so on.... Stay young, everyone!
It's great that Nintendo likes to do its own things. But sometimes in their quest to be different they completely disregard what would actually be good and beneficial. They need to find a happy middle ground of going to the beat of their own drum while also adopting standard practices so that they can have the best of both worlds.
I always think it is funny when people act like games are serious business. Then again I feel the same way about sports and I'm a pretty diehard NHL fan(LET'S GO 'CANES!!) but it is a game...its supposed to be fun. People make games in to elitism contests and that's how we get "console wars" where the only people that truly win are the investors.
If anyone but Nintendo was this quirky they'd be laughed off the stage, but when Nintendo themselves does it? It's just such a good fit!
And I miss when Iwata-san was a bit pudgy. He's so skinny now! I hope it's not because he was ill a while ago.
I have got money to spend on games, but I have spent very little on Wii u games in the last year.
I want single player games that I can play on my large screen in HD. They are very few and far between.
I don't mind how quirky Nintendo are, but I do mind the lack of single player hd games.
@DarthNocturnal The MK8 Direct certainly didn't "bomb" in my opinion. It gave me some good laughs and got me even more hyped for the game.
@Yorumi
That brings a tear to the eye...
It's that off-beat approach that makes them what they are. I just wish they would get what they are out there a bit more. I convinced someone I know with a Wii U to buy Splatoon. I told him he could borrow my amiibo if he wanted.
He looked at me very confused and asked what a me-bow is.
What do you expect from a 100 years old company that sold cards, turning into a taxi and love hotel company, then into a video game company with a plumber as a mascot? Peculiar?
I'm hoping they reviel a none colorful Metroid at this year's E3. They can also show a colorful one for the 3ds if they do choose!
I'm with Nintendo just because of they're different...also less blood and gore and no F words every 5 minutes. lol
People taking video games seriously does nothing but breed bitterness, it's even spread to me.
@BinaryFragger Spot on. There are too many great games out there on all platforms. I want Sony to keep doing what they are doing and Nintendo to do likewise.
It is ironic that NIntendo, with really no other source of income, takes video games much less seriously than the entertainment company and the computer company which are its competitors in the console space.
@FJOJR After 2006 sega was good too. Sure 06 sucked, but we got colors, unleashed(day), and generations.
@Yorumi In North America maybe, X-Box One is selling pathetically in Japan with weekly sales in the low 100's. The Wii U is selling 20-50x that amount per week in Japan.
@mike_intv Well aren't video games supposed to be fun first and foremost rather than serious and stressful?
Awesome read. It's not often that I can agree with every single point on an editorial, here or elsewhere (and really, that's the very nature of editorials), but that seems to be the case here.
Yeah!
Meh it is nothing new. I like how they rebuilt the set as being an desktop related to smash brothers. I would very much love to see "HAL labs founder" or even "APE" on stage rather then an random European guy.
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It's good to remember every now and then that above all, video games are supposed to be about having FUN
I do really love Nintendo's unique style of games and it's great that they try to be different from everyone else. I also greatly enjoy AAA games and other games that are not on Nintendo platforms. It's great for gamers that there is a variety of various different types of games available.
I love Nintendo but I always have to own at least one other system as a Nintendo Fan because I love shooters and GTA. Just wish I could get it all on a Nintendo system.
I love how enduring Nintendo games are. I mean, when I buy a game by Nintendo it instantly becomes iconic and something worth collecting. I love my PS4, but I have so many sequels on it to games I've never even bothered looking at, the artwork is all the same, (striving for as realsitic as possible) and games only satisfy my need in the moment, until I get bored of the game and never play it again. With some exceptions, they aren't enduring classics like pretty much every game Nintendo spits out.
While I wish I could settle with just one system for first and third party games alike, Nintendo maximizes its underpowered hardware to its full potential and creates amazing games, and at least it's cheap enough that I can pretend it's a secondary minor expense to my main gaming console (even though truthfully my Wii U is my main gaming console)
I love Nintendo's quirkiness and how they do things their own way. Honestly it sucks that they don't have much third party support,but I think that's more of their fear of the things that are different with Nintendo, and the fact they might have to have done kind of unique imagination, which must third party companies seem to lack now a days. Honestly, Sony and Microsoft could learn alot from Nintendo,and i feel without Nintendo, the game industry wouldn't be nearly as great as it is today. Also without Nintendo, i think the game industry would be boring and full of terrible video games (lots and lots of stupid shooters. ..)
I'm 33 and still a bigger Nintendo fan today then ever. I look back and the last 10 years...Nintendo has dominated 7 of those years. My PS3 got s lot of use with uncharted 2 and dark souls. But my wii u is being used right now for splatoon by my 2 kids. We have over 300 games for our wii/wii u. We havev3 household 3ds...a 2ds, 3dsxl and new3ds. About 100 games for those. Our PS3 gets used for minecraft and cod occasionally. I refuse to upgrade to a new pay to play console. I understand the coolness of next gen console, but they just aren't fun like nintendos are.
@Donutman What if Nintendo took the" pay to play" route? I'm sure the company could do so much more with the additional revenue.
@TwilightAngel something I said bugging you, pal?
Hmm, I dont think people play Bloodborne or the Souls games because they think they are 'mature', more likely because they are great games.
The Wii U is not a console I'd buy, not enough games Im interested in, and I find more variety on PS3 / Vita at the moment, I also like the cross play / buy features of those consoles over Nintendo's digital purchase attached to a single console approach.
Great editorial!! I haven't bought any videogames for my Wii U or Steam in over 3 months. I'm very optimistic about the Wii U's fortunes come E3 because I expect something to replace Club Nintendo and the digital deluxe program. On a side note, I do expect Microsoft and Nintendo to tear the house down. I've given up with Steams race to the bottom. And Sony seems to have little to offer other than 3rd party games this year.
@Superryanworld as in require you to pay for online? I would not approve. I do not want a Netflix style video game world. I have almost no complaints with nintendos direction. I hope then next console is still backwards compatible with my wiistuff. I have been playing online games since like 1995. I pay my internet bill and that's that. My pc does not require me to pay to access steam or blizzard. The mentality that paying for Xbox live/ps+ is for idiots. And I mean that in the nicest way. But since I did not pay like $100 a year for last 7 years on my PS3...and let's say even Xbox live, (since lots of people have both) that's $1400 more for the service that I did not pay. And left for dead is better on Pc then Xbox. That's $1400 i did not spend. But I have been playing all the coolest games over the last 10 years.
Nintendo is the reason I still play video games .
I prefer that Nintendo has its own quirkiness, it truly makes them different from the rest... It would be nice if we got more third parties, but at least for me its not the most important thing. Keep the quality coming, Nintendo!
@MrGawain Well said sir
Nintendo is awesome.
@Donutman Yeah, the majority of the gaming community and myself are complete moron's for subscribing to psn and xbl.
I've been gaming since the nes and enjoy Nintendo as much as MS and Sony.You know what hasn't changed over time? This has always been a expensive hobby. The fact that someone could spend hundreds of dollars a year on games and complain over a 50 dollar fee that you pay once a year just makes some gamers sound cheap. And I mean that in the nicest way possible.
"I love that in a world of free to play- how are you monitizing- data analytics- A/B testing- Nintendo is still like "fun first, bit**es.""
I love Nintendo and sharing my love of the company & it's games at home with my Wife (I love you my player 2 and amazing partner) and my students at school with after-school Nintendo club (Wii U is the best local multiplayer system ever made).
Odd is the right word... as much as I love Nintendo... I just don't understand why is struggles to give fans what they want... Amiibo stock, DS/GBA on 3DS VC, Gamecube games on Wii U VC, User ID's that make it possible to access purchases should the worst happen. Nintendo may be the most unique and creative Video game company out there but it is failing to keep up with the competition where it matters.
@InnerSpirit Pretty much this. So many people can learn something from just that last line you wrote.
I like Nintendo as a developer/publisher, but not so much as a platform holder. At this point owning a Nintendo console is just an excuse to play Nintendo's own games with their latest gimmicks.
As much as I love my Wii U, it's just collecting dust until the next game comes out (and no, I'm not interested in shooters or multiplayer-focused games).
@ThomasBW84
1up for you! I opened this article yesterday but only read it now. I'm too busy with work and Splatoon lately I barely have time to read Nintendo news. Great read! I realized I needed NLife for such articles and news as much as I needed Nintendo for gaming! Thank you!
@EngieBengie - Why are you trolling here?
"Being different doesn't make you the best. Just sayin'."
-EngieBengie
Interesting comment considering the article does not say that (I guarantee you did not read it) nor did anyone in the comments above yours.
"TwilightAngel something I said bugging you, pal?"
-EngieBengie
Actual proof of trolling.
"So many people can learn something from just that last line you wrote."
-EngieBengie
I think you're under the impression that everyone is living under a rock, and we haven't heard the chorus of trolls, critics, detractors, fanboys, haters, clickbaiters and prophets of Nintendoom for the last how many years detailing every one of Nintendo's shortcomings in excruciating detail.
Even in an article like this, where the focus is on Nintendo's lighter side, we have you and others making sure everyone knows Nintendo isn't perfect and not selling as well as in previous eras.
Okay...we are now super-duper aware of Nintendo's sins and transgressions, mission accomplished, lol.
PS: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, I'll try to keep it to a minimum.
@Yorumi Back in the 80s and 90s, after Atari killed the video game market in NA and people dissed video games, Nintendo had the guts to step up and do something no one dared. Sega and others like Hudson followed Nintendo and failed to deliver the same quality. This is why people say Nintendo is video gaming back in the day; they had no real challenges. But nowadays, people are too fixated on graphics and power, the true meaning of gaming, having fun and forgetting the sorrow of the real life, is lost.
I'm not saying that Nintendo is doing it the right way, no sir, they did a lot of damage to themselves, but when I compare games between Nintendo and Sony... Nintendo is winning for the most cases. Why? Well, because most of them are entertaining and fun, at least in my eyes. Games for PS4 (or Xbox One) are more "be the elite" standards to me, which I dislike because their just graphics and no game feeling and just look what trophies and achievements made out of us gamers. I dislike to see achievements on some Wii U games as well, because those do nothing at all for the game itself. But I digress.
I wish that Sony would go back to the days, when they released the PS1 and made games themselves. They were fun as hell and on the same entertainment level as of Nintendo, but nowadays, there is no game on the PS4, which would convince me to get a PS4, because some of them are on other consoles as well. This is why I stay for now with Nintendo and once Sony will ever come up with something entertaining and exclusive for their console, I guess I will get myself a Sony console again.
@Action51 Well, your name giver was a troll even before the internet was born ;D
@SnuggleMon - What! That's a collection of 52 quality 8-bit games!
Lol IKR.
Viva Nintendo!
@EllenJMiller
i totally agree, despite my avatar. the posturing, self importance of the so called mature gaming and messaging in indie gaming is far more embarassing than the goofy nintendo games like splatoon or w101. i want fun not moral vanity in my gaming. colour and imagination and the emphasis on original mechanics are what keep me interested in gaming
I don't think they're weird...they're just showing that they are a company that can have fun. You cannot be serious all the time, or that makes any company boring, and this shows it's fans that they are fun and enjoy working on their games and concepts...that's what makes nintendo what they are. As the 'cute game factors go', yeah, they're colorful and lighthearted games, but they're enjoyable and are fun games for families to play. Video games were meant to be played with friends and family members, not by yourself, and most of the games on rival systems are made for mature audiences...what about kids that love to play the games? I'd never show my kids Grand Theft Auto (all the sex and violence in the game). My daughters love Mario and the gang to death, and they never kill anything, which is why I choose nintendo as a console for my kids. In all, nintendo is the best family console and always will be...they're the company that likes to have fun and shows it! I'd rather watch a video that's funny and amusing, then just someone standing and talking.
Nintendo being weird is exactly why I love what they do! It's not something I so readily get on the other systems, Sony occasionally ventures into but it always feels like they quickly go running back to their sleek and "cool" image, which is fine it works very well for them (and the reason I like them too). Nintendo, don't care about such things, they're having fun doing their own thing and everyone is welcome to join if they want.
Which has it's pros and cons. I watched last years E3 event at work staying late with a collegue less into Nintendo. I hadn't realised until that point how self-referential a lot of it was. "Who is that?" They asked as Reggie and Iwata battled it out for the Smash Bros Mii announcement. "That dude's Reggie, that dude is Iwata" I explained. "And they are?", "Well Iwata is the current president of the company and..", "Wait, what? Why's he doing this?" "Because it's fun" to which they conceded, and started laughing at the ridiculousness of what they were watching. I had to explain several things throughout until Zelda appeared. They had no idea what most of the other stuff was outside Mario and Zelda, without it explained it was curious but mostly confusing.
So I think Nintendo needs to perhaps work on the clarity of their reveals, but I certainly don't want the weirdness to stop. maybe a more straightforward round up video for news sites to publish and discuss as well as the goofy main event would help?
@mjc0961 Well films are often sold as having "eye-popping 3D!" but nobody actually avoids them for fear of their eyes literally popping. "Brain-melting puzzles", "mind-blowing experiences" etc.
All sound rather negative but are sold as positives.
I love that Nintendo embraced their goofiness last year. So much better than that "sterile doctor's office" vibe the company had before that. Seriously, they had that vibe up until around the Smash Direct in April last year.
@Action51
Engie has been drinking Quarthons' Kool-Aid , best to ignore.
On topic , a decent article. Personally , I don't want Nintendo to be like Sony or Microsoft and I am not sure why people clamour for them to be. It's some sort of hive mind mentality. Do these people want all music to be the same ? Do they want all film and television to be the same ? As Nintendo fans do we ever suggest Sony goes third party so we can get their games on our prefered hardware ? It baffles me , to be honest. Nintendo are unique and hopefully they will continue to be for many years to come.
@Project_Dolphin
How on Earth is the SNES' Competition relevant to...well, anything? @Yorumi was absolutely right in what he put.
@Action51 Okay, this is one comment I just can't let go by unanswered.
First off, my first comment was an answer to people in the comment section, not the article. Idiot.
Second, since when is criticism trolling? Call me crazy but rather me being a troll, I'd say it's you being sensible and not being capable of facing harsh criticism. If that guy had the nerve to reply to me with such a sarcastic and condescending tone, without actually offering arguments and trying to prove me wrong, how are you NOT calling him a troll and me instead?
InnerSpirit's comment perfectly highlights my problems with Nintendo. Hence me agreeing with him. But somehow, someway, criticizing Nintendo is wrong and trollish to people like you, isn't it?
I was just as big of a Nintendo defender as a lot of people in this comment section and no matter how many times I defended their stupid decisions, they kept making exactly that, stupid decisions. Then I understood that being apologetic and defensive about things is not going to change anything unlike criticizing them.
So, before idiots like you start calling me a troll for criticizing, maybe you should ask yourself if you're the one being sensible.
@kingofthesofa Say it to my face. If you disagree so much with what I say, maybe, AND THAT'S JUST A GUESS, maybe you should present your arguments, your facts, whatever instead of saying that I'm "drinking Quorthon's kool aid". If you can't handle criticism, your best bet is to leave the internet period because, believe it or not, people on the internet have opinions that they will defend.
@kingofthesofa I wouldn't want Nintendo to completely copy MS or Sony,but Nintendo has lost much relevance in the gaming industry as Yorumi pointed out. The Wiiu has been a great system for Nintendo fans and myself, but the system has struggled to catch on with consumers regardless if it's core gamers or children.What if the next Nintendo system sells like the Wii U? Should Nintendo just stay the course and continue to do things the same way they did with the last console and hope the rest of the gaming consumers outside the fan base decide to jump back on the bandwagon? Taking a page or two from your competition is what makes a better product. It's why PSN is the great service it is today.
Nintendo's uniqueness is a hit or miss situation. Oh sure, you get your Splatoons (With no voice chat) and your Mario Galaxies, but you also get your Wii Musics and your Sticker Stars. This constant desire to make new controllers only to give up on them the next generation is a waste of money at best. The best games on Wii U (Mario Kart, Smash, Bayonetta, Super Mario 3D World) are all games that do not require the gamepad whatsoever and do nothing special with it. And this constant focus on how your games use the controller rather than the game being a memorable and fun experience is making me more and more worried about them.
If you were to ask long time Nintendo fans, and just video game enthusiasts in general what Nintendo's best console was, they often respond Super Nintendo. Why? 'cause it had the games. First Party and third party. And yet it does not matter if we don't have third party games right? Surely it does not matter not having your Witcher 3s, MGS V, Batman Arkham Knight, etc. right? Right? Yes it matters. Not everyone has the money to buy two consoles or, a Nintendo console and a capable PC but somehow, it's a huge offense to demand Nintendo to offer what they've managed to offer in the past: Third party games.
I welcome their craziness, but to assume that their craziness is somehow self sufficient and it going to save them and keep them in business is folly at best. It's not like they can deliver what Sony and Microsoft delivers and still be wacky but to some in this comment section, it's either one or the other.
@Superryanworld
Agreed - there are certain lessons Nintendo could pick up from their competition ; specifically online , account structure etc. I was referring to people in this forum and others who seem to think by just releasing a more powerful copycat console Nintendo would secure third party support and a significant market share. They would not.
@kingofthesofa Then you are the one trolling because you, again, do not try to argue your points like someone normal. Instead, let's attack that EngieBengie guy with ad hominem instead of proving him wrong with facts. I faced criticism, but unlike you, I bring my arguments to the table and defend my stance instead of cowardly throwing personal attacks and calling them trolls for presenting their opinions. Trolling is about posting an inflammatory response for the purpose of upsetting users. I doubt that's what I am doing, rather, I'm presenting my opinion. So next time, actually argue like a man. Also, there are no facts in my previous post because I'm addressing the manner you spoke to me rather than the stance you take on this discussion.
@kingofthesofa I have to agree with you there.
@EngieBengie
I deleted the comment because as I typed it you had posted comment #91 which was actually quite articulate. The posts I was responding to were : " Being different doesn't make you the best. Just sayin'. " and
" something I said bugging you, pal? "
Where are the facts and arguments in these posts ? How am I supposed to argue these facts ? I was joking , more than attacking , in my reply to Action 51. Apologies for upsetting you but perhaps you need to heed your own advice ; " If you can't handle criticism, your best bet is to leave the internet period.... "
@BinaryFragger
>>Why do you assume that Xbox and PlayStation games aren't fun? If they're not your cup of tea, that's fine, but don't assume that people play them just to be "elite."<<
Where in my post did I say that people are elite by playing those games? I said "Games for PS4 (or Xbox One) are more "be the elite" standards to me".
TO ME... not that people who play those games but those games themselves giving me that feeling because of the whole trophy and achievement crap that has no effect on the game whatsoever but only to brag how cool a player is by stepping up in a useless list, that has no use or rewards.
>>Do you really think that the majority of 30+ million people who bought an Xbox One or PS4 did so just to be cool?<<
I could care less for all of those 30+ million people, because everyone has a different taste and I have no favor for the PS4 or the Xbox One since they can't deliver a reason to buy one of their consoles because there is no game that would make me buy a PS4 or Xbox One. But to answer your question... yes. I met a lot of people, who bragged how cool their console is, but when I asked them what good games they have, they only came with HD remastered games like The Last of Us, Tomb Raider or games that were so disappointing like Destiny, Dead Rising 3 or The Order 1887.
>>Look at the recent excitement and hype following the Fallout 4 announcement. For millions of people, the Fallout games are very entertaining. Same with Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, the yearly NHL/FIFA/Madden games, etc.<<
And because people are jumping from a bridge, I have to do the same? I could care less for Fallout 4 as I did for Fallout 1,2 or 3. Sure, if people like those games, let them like it. I don't say "Don't you dare to buy this game".
>>I personally find Mortal Kombat to be just as entertaining as Mario 3D World. Sure, they're very different but they both equally entertain me in their own unique way.<<
That is your opinion and I have nothing against it if you feel that way. But to compare MKX with Mario World 3D is like comparing an apple with an egg; both are completely different in gameplay and design as like age groups. But again, if you like this game, go for it. I dislike the MK series after part 3 on the SNES, not because it was brutal, but boring for me. The fatalities were silly and the story just dull. But before you say "you don't need a story for MK", for me, a story is more important than any graphic or gameplay because a game without a story is useless for me. Yes, there are game like Smash or Splatoon, where a story is not necessarily important, but those are rare examples. For me, a good game must have a story that connects me with the game, otherwise it is just wasted time.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR As far as I know, SuckerFreeGames owes the Cheetahmen Trademark and apparently, there is a Cheetahmen 3 game in progress, but I lost track about it. There was even a kickstarter for a remake of the Cheetahmen 2, but it was a pure scam since they wanted 60 bucks for a rom of the old game with a bug fix to finish the game; something you could get for free on the internet.
@kingofthesofa Fact- Being different doesn't make you the best. Example: WiiU BAM! The second is a reply to the way he responded to me so I don't know why you are expecting a fact here.
So it's pretty rich of you to say that you upset me yet... how come you replied to me? How come that one user named EngieBengie caught your eye? Heed my advice and do what I told you to do. I know how to defend my stance, I know how to back my opinions so I don't need the advice but if these comments bothered you so much and made you upset, then yeah, you better leave the internet because you're just gonna meet more and more people like me who will criticize Nintendo harshly. After all, I'm not the one who threw personal attacks (Ad hominem) at someone for criticizing Nintendo.
@EngieBengie
I assumed I'd upset you with the level of vitriol you directed at me in your subsequent comments. I replied to you originally because you posted " SAY IT TO MY FACE " after I made a jokey comment in reply to Action 51 - for which I apologise. Racism , homophobia etc. upset me on the internet , yes ; but comments and opinions on forums and message boards about inanimate objects do not. As a side note " Fact- Being different doesn't make you the best. Example: WiiU BAM! " isn't really a fact , is it ? It's an opinion and subjective to context.
I'd say it's still a better approach than the other two. Sick of the bro-fest you get with Microsofts announcements.
@EngieBengie : It is very true that Nintendo's "uniquness" is hit or miss. The lack of 3rd parties has been devastating, especially since I found the gamepad was best used by 3rd parties, like ZombiU, Arkham City, and NBA 2K. And the SNES was the first system I played. It has games of every sort. Nintendo needs to show a Wii U schedule that is unrelenting for the rest of the year. I just have difficulty believing they can pull that off without any 3rd party support.
Basically Nintendo is Disney of the gaming industry. Yet people are way to naive to understand that or better yet see that. So they bash on Nintendo because they aren't like Sony & Microsoft. Or better yet, Sony because remember guys "Greatness Awaits" right?
@kereke12 Still waiting for that "Greatness" Sony.
@kereke12 Not so sure about Nintendo being the Disney of gaming.
Sure, Nintendo is a creative company that makes fun games, but they don't have the same following with children that they once did.There was a time when a new Nintendo system would launch with a Mario game, and every kid had to have that system. The Wii U tried that formula and it didn't have the same impact that it did with past generations.
Disney is another can of worms entirely. The company doesn't rely on Micky,Donald, and Goofy to push sales anymore. They have Marvel and Lucas films to cater to kids. The company has managed to stay as relevant as ever with today's youth. Kids are just not as crazy about Nintendo as they where with previous generations. I certainly hope Nintendo can change that with the next system.
@Project_Dolphin
Nonsense. That's your own arbitrary and meaningless comparison. It ignores factors like e.g. Sega's first-party games, marketing, bundles, head start, and the popularity of Sonic which Nintendo can do nothing about. Despite all those things the SNES outsold the Megadrive and had over 50% of the market.
A far better comparison would be the sales of the SNES with comprehensive third party support and competitive technology versus the sales of the Wii U surviving only on first party games and lacking the services its competition offer. No 50% market share here....
If they can, their next console should be 4x like the PS4 is. As well as being able to support an easier programming code with a simple sony-esque controller. They don't have to produce the games that could cater for it, they can continue to produce HD or even 'HD ready' games, as well as games requiring use of gamepad and/or wiimote. That would then leave the system open for eternal 3rd party support, whilst they work on their own quirks!
@Project_Dolphin
You're right about context. Post-SNES, as the video gaming market grew, Nintendo sold less consoles (Wii anomaly aside, and that was driven by a fleeting gimmick). That's why it represents a high watermark in many eyes.
P.S. There was more than one competitor to Nintendo in the SNES era.
@Project_Dolphin The reverse happens in Nintendo. So I doubt Nintendo is any better than Sony or Microsoft in that regard.
@kingofthesofa So let me recapitulate. I post my opinion saying "being different doesn't make you the best". A user responds to this with a sarcastic and condescending tone, I tell him if "something I said is bugging you", afterwards I agree with someone who shared a similar opinion but then I am called a troll by Action 51 and you, plus, you say that "I am drinking from the same kool-aid as Quorthon". So, somehow, a user calling me a troll for my opinion, a user replying to me sarcastically and in a condescending manner and you also calling me a troll is passable but, my opinion... isn't? And the say it to my face wasn't in capital, so you're pretty much exaggerating there.
And like it or not, Wii U was Nintendo's attempt at being different and it still sells poorly. Their attempts at making games that are different like Wii Music and Sticker Stars (Which was a deviation from the standard gameplay from the series) can be met with negative or mixed reactions. Simply being different isn't going to make you good or better than the others. It's one thing appreciating them being unique, it's another if its uniqueness is good. And indeed I was wrong saying it was a fact.
@EngieBengie
I put it in capital letters to emphasise why I replied to you , after you asked me why I replied to you. I don't see how that is exaggerating.
True , the Wii U is different and it's not selling well at all , but the Wii was different and sold a lot. Nintendo have tried something new. Sometimes it works ( NES / Wii / DS ) and sometimes it doesn't ( Virtual boy , Wii U )
@EngieBengie
You do realise you've used the words "say it to my face" and "argue like a man" in a public place, don't you? Was it a deliberate joke?
It has been nice to see Nintendo embrace their quirky side again. During the Wii/DS generation their presentation (for the most part) was so bland (to fit in with their new market of brain training pensioners), they seemed almost embarrassed by what they do and who they are. Like fun, colourful games and characters didn't fit in with an aspirational lifestyle brand... They seemed desperate to show that they were serious and mature. I'm glad those days are gone!
'For these reasons and many, many more, we certainly need Nintendo. Gaming is like any other creative medium in that it thrives only with variety...' This. Even though I really like Nintendo, I would never want its competitors in the console manufacturer space to go out of business or lose influence. I like the variety, and I would even welcome more competition. So it is grating when I hear people sounding almost ecstatic about Nintendo losing influence, and in suggesting that it ditch consoles altogether and publish through its former competitors. I may not care for Microsoft consoles, but when I hear about its comparative lack of influence in Japan, I do not get giddy thinking about how my favored Nintendo sits on the proverbial hill in that country; rather, I am saddened not to see an American competitor there introducing its own gaming and console philosophy. I hope to see more competition by the 'big three' and hopefully newcomers in the coming years and decades.
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