@HalBailman

serious question, no wrong answers:

would you rather have an FzeroX remake than an attempt at a whole new game?

Followup question: in your mind, how would those two things be different? 😅✌️

@AussieMcBucket

1) Impossible to know or say.

2) Yes, obviously.

I've never paid "full price" for a digital only game, and i never will. When a "big game" (usually Nintendo first party) comes out I pay full for the physical but everything else can wait for the eventual deep eshop discount, or second hand.

From my perspective the problem is a bit deeper however, as Nintendo hasnt produced a new first party game I've "needed" physically in years at this point.

At some point id trade physical games for games I'd want to play, tbh. bring on eshop fzero, waverace, and pilotwings 😅👍 meet me in the dollar bin.

@matt_e

I think it's a fair expectation that the new release be "definitive," and certainly the discourse has largely revolved around will it or wont it be THE definitive way to play Oot, so framing it this way in the review makes sense to me.

incidentally, how is the score "docked?" surely it's understood that a 10/10 game in 1998 does not automatically score a 10 in 2026 by default?

how many times has it been reiterated by this website that the score is not the result of a pros minus cons equation? or that it is subjective?

I encourage differing opinions and I like to understand where people are coming from, hence my questions. I hope the game ends up being a 10/10 for you, when you play it! 🥳👍

@King_MFW

oh dear, it seems that I've run afoul of the Nintendo vigilante tone police.

Please quote my words that insult another user if you'd like to be taken seriously, thanks. ✌️

(EDIT - or, delete your preceding comment as a tacit admission that you are absolutely full of it, that works too 👍)

It seems that you can't handle opinions that differ from your own, but that is all I've shared, here. I hope you enjoy the remaster when you play it, even though someone gave it a 9 out of ten.

@Saad_Moonwalker

"So as I understand, it took some visual hits but as for the the frame rates it's 60fps so it's perfectly smooth?"

that is my read on it, too 👍

@Slowdive

" The next main entry will likely be a 10/10 as Nintendo is known for taking everybody by surprise with something really fresh."

from your mouth to God's ears! 🤗

@King_MFW

"replying to anyone who dares criticize NL for giving it a 9?"

I didn't reply to you, did I? 🤔

It's a bit rich that someone who is on here lamenting a 9/10 with hysterical punctuation is telling me to calm down so they can enjoy themselves. ✌️

@Saad_Moonwalker

"It’s not all perfect, though. Keeping such a stunning game running at 60fps on a handheld takes some jiggery-pokery, and Nintendo's solution has resulted in a few visual blemishes. Assets in the distance — mountains and trees — look overly smooth and there’s some shimmering going on when you pan the camera around. It’s nowhere near as severe as Xenoblade Chronicles X on Switch 2, but it’s definitely something you’ll notice occasionally, particularly during handheld play.

Overall resolution takes a notable hit undocked, too, to the point where even Link himself can look a little fuzzy at times. It definitely needs mentioning, although it wasn't significantly detrimental to my experience. Keeping the game running smoothly feels like the more important priority, and Nintendo has nailed that aspect."

@matt_e

they specifically said it wasn't definitive in the headline.

"non-definitive way to play 10/10 game that arguably never needed a remake to begin with" sounds like a 9 at most, to me, frankly ✌️

@matt_e

9/10 is "mission accomplished" by any reasonable measure.

Getting the series' fundamentals wrong (I mean, every Zelda game up to and including Ocarina had 3 save files and renaming) is extremely damning with a remaster, I think 9/10 is generous no matter how shiny they made this game.

The notion of breezing through Ocarina again only in "generic 3rd person action game" form sounds so boring I can hardly stand it. We are enjoying our current playthrough of the original, though 🤗

If the entire point of this remaster is to recreate the magic of my childhood playthrough, and offer the same for a new generation that never played the original, then not letting the player name Link is a narrow but deep failure on both fronts.

@hanzel

"all i read in your review is 10, yet you gave a 9"

are we reading the same review?

• performance/ graphics issues (given that this is the entire point of a remaster, this is not negligible)
• only one save slot (this is a big deal to some people)
• Can't rename Link (I mean what the Hell?)
• very little challenge, no Master Quest. (The only reason I would have to play this is to finally play the Master Quest so this is a big deal for me.)

✌️

@squiddu-real

"people just said "water temple sucks" with barely any clarification beyond that. if you're lucky, they mention the boots and nothing else."

perhaps that is because the boots were the complaint. 👍

I don't remember people complaining about having a challenging, inventive Zelda dungeon to work through 😂✌️ it was always a good dungeon besides the boots switching.

EDIT - I'd like to add that this dungeon, like many Zelda dungeons, is disorienting on purpose. It is a maze, or a "puzzle box" as another user put it. You are supposed to get "confused." I realize that I'm really talking about N64 era gamers, and you are remembering stuff from around the OOT 3D era, but I think the whole trend line is that younger people increasingly don't want to feel "confused" by a game, whereas in OOT's OG day this was considered part of the game: the working your way through when the solution isn't immediately understood.

An entire generation has grown up playing Zelda games with no dungeons and I think it has something to do with it. I'm just kind of thinking out loud, now that you've brought it up.

@squiddu-real

"apparently you missed that period of the 2010s where one of the biggest things people talked about with ocarina of time was the water temple being annoying."

old timer here, also completed Ocarina as a child, in 1998/99. the annoying thing about the Water Temple was the clunky menu switching to put your boots on and off, not getting "confused" about the layout (it was understood that it was a maze, full of puzzles, at the time.)

"how do i, the person who has never played an inch of oot, and likely much younger, know that better than you?"

could it be that not everyone spends the same amount of time online?

it could be that. 👍

You can't have players getting lost...

in a maze...

...

there's only one company that's allowed to make shameless retreads of Starfox.

why is it so hard to get things like perfectly round circles 100% right in games?

in the case of the screenshot here with Earth visible in the sky, it could be a formatting issue. But, I've been playing old games on a 4:3 handheld and it has become so obvious that almost no circles are perfectly round in almost any game, or maybe the sun will be round but the tach on my hud is a squished oval. or, the wheels on the car models will appear round, but the button glyphs will be ovals. these are slightly bad examples as the "oval" in each is a 2D hud element, but it doesnt always happen like this (i think.)

it is surprising how many psx games look "more right" in 5:4 or even taller ratios. Xenogears was a big eye opener for me, suddenly I could see the details of the character portraits properly when O switched to 5:4, after playing this game for going on 30* years. and, the character models and everything else look pretty much just as "right" as they did before, if a little more svelte.

*🫠

@Misima

Temba, at rest 🥲

Come cheer up, my lads:

'tis better to have loved, and lost!

@shazeobock

I own the taito legends games on ps2, so I emulate those with abandon! 🥳 These were a great value at the time and just unheard of today.

I'm sure they are flawed in myriad devastating ways, and emulating a ps2 game emulating 30 year old games with its own 20 year old emulator is kinda... weird... but it works! 👍

@Dm9982

"Not exactly new or a sequel, but I can’t wait for the Witcher 1 and 2 remakes/remasters"

I am not the biggest fan of remakes/masters, but I bought into this dev with CP77 and more recently W3, so I suppose I'm primed as anyone to enjoy these!

To be fair though I need to try to get back into Witcher 3. I tend to put down any game after about 20-30 hrs whether it's even close to over, or not! 😅✌️

I put 130hrs into CP2077, and that's more than enough.

100% I would trade every update or dlc for commensurate effort towards a sequel.

(or, stay with me, here: something new.)

imagine buying a major games company to rehabilitate your death regime's public image, and then choosing EA of all companies and somehow running it even worse than it already has been for years.

@gmar

I know you aren't criticizing the rankings without voting using the rating system. Because that would be very silly! 🙂

Personally I consider Tetris and DK94 absolute classics and essential, and while I respect Megaman and Pokemon I would choose Tetris and DK94 over them.

Obviously Alone in the Dark is both better and more interesting in every way than Camelot, but this is the nature of non-compulsory voting, and subjective personal taste.

I preferred when they would make kickass games and I'd decide for myself how to feel about them.

IMO the 8 and 16 bit gens were the "golden era" of kirby. this is more like a return to form. ✌️

lol who you shooting with that pose? 😂

A fool and his money soon has $100 Sonic 1 + 2 carts.

@Ristar24

I guarantee you that there were people claiming the Psycho remake was better than the original, at the time.

They were wrong, and didn't really appreciate the original in the first place.

these people will always exist. They think only realistic 3D graphics are "good." They look at a Rothko painting for 5 seconds and say "big deal, I couldve painted that." They hear a Radiohead song and say it's "just noise." They generally prefer terrible music, ugly art, and unhealthy junk food. I've known many of these people in my life and they seem to just keep having kids or whatever lol. ✌️

@Serpenterror

"People will complain one way or another. If the new game is good then they'll say yay I will never touch the original, if the new one sucks then they'll say boo the original is still the best. "

how would liking the classic original over over a new one that "sucks" be complaining?

Similarly, how would enjoying the new one and never playing the old one again be also complaining?

makes no sense.

PS - I know this is the height of semantics, but "Opinion: I May Never Play The Original Ocarina Of Time Again" is actually a statement of fact.

I think these opinion articles would be spicier if they expressed actual opinions. 👍

"The Ocarina remake looks better than the N64 original and may well replace it," now that's an opinion!

"Has a remake completely replaced an original favourite for you, or is there always room for both?"

"C" is the heavenly option.

I grew up understanding that remakes (esp. of films) are lazy and/or pretentious cash grabs that always pale compared to the originals, and I still feel that way. IMO it's sad to start writing off a beloved classic just because the corporation is waving shiny new product in your face.

I'm currently playing through Ocarina on 64 with my wife and its as good as it ever was, of course. It's art, afterall. Picasso wouldn't be "better" in 4k hyperrealism and neither is this.

@MJF

I return to the first two Jet Moto games from time to time and I love them!

I realized that Waverace was the better looking game technically but the scope and scale, and variety of Jet Moto won me over, big time.

Now I love both games tremendously but I feel like a new Jet Moto (or even a re release of any kind at all) is even more unlikely than a new Waverace 😖 I feel as though Bubsy and Aero the Acrobat fans are more well cared for than old school fans of N64 and especially PSX, in 2026.

@Kidfunkadelic83

I KNOW! I was just playing through a couple GPs in WaveRace64 the other night, it's just a wonderful game to play! and still looks magnificent. I wouldn't change a thing about it.

I agree with everything you've said, and I'd add Fzero and excitebike to the mix. its a real shame that Nintendo just doesn't care about these games at all, and in some cases seems to be intentionally trying to obscure their memory with charmless "product" such as this, and ephemeral online focused "experiences."

(Seriously y'all I feel like I saw first party Kinect software 20 years ago with more character than this.)

PS - what I really miss is the genuine "flight school" vibe of the original Pilotwings game. Nintendo really doesn't try to do things like this anymore and I think that's a shame.

@SillyG @DwaynesGames

i own this but I didn't play it a whole lot for whatever reason. Time to bust out the 2DS! (And hope it still works! 😅✌️)

(I just realized I can emulate 3DS games on my Nova now! I'll use Resort as my... pilot... game. 🥳)

I do still play through OG pilotwings pretty regularly. For how awkward and difficult I found this game at first, I can just BREEZE through it now and it feels SO good to play! (besides the helicopter missions, I beat those once as a kid and that's enough 😂)

probably the first example of "3D" gameplay I ever experienced. XMAS 91 FOREVER! 🎉

Every time I see the thumbnails for this game, I immediately think "pilotwings," or in this case "waverace."

It makes me sad that this is what we get, now.

@Indielink

So I think there may be more to this one than just ,"wheeeeee stabby stab violence."

the good ones tend to be that way, and Context can be important. 👍

I will keep an open mind on this one, as the gameplay does look fast and smooth!

@Darthroseman

Yeah we were trailblazin! 😂

I wish I could remember some of the more oddball stuff. xmen and spiderman were a lock, for sure. And silver surfer and ghost rider, I was a bit obsessed with those 🤗

I still think ghost rider would be an amazing Kombatant! 🎉

the constant direct references to dopamine and serotonin in marketing for videogames, especially graphically violent ones, gives me the absolute creeps.

I like shooting virtual guns as much as anybody (well, not anybody I suppose,) but damn don't y'all get bored essentially pointing and clicking on heads all the time?

@Wisps

I think that's fair! certainly the ones you listed are absolute classics, and I'm not necessarily "done" with basically any of them, it's just they haven't "clicked" yet!

(OK maybe Pokemon is a lost cause for me at this point 😂)

of course, "good story" is one of the more subjective superlatives in all of gaming! and I'll also add that I don't think "bad story" was my reason for bouncing off any of them (though a truly gripping story wouldve helped of course.) ✌️

One thing I just can't with is story only games, with zero action, a la "visual novels." so there are limits for me at either extreme. 👍

@Wisps

I'll take "Our"P.G.'s for 300, Alex

A: Shin Megami Tensei, Ys, SaGa, Etrian Odyssey and to some extent Pokemon.

Q: What are RPGs that WC genuinely wanted to like and eventually bounced off of?

("that is correct" polite applause)

in all seriousness I think I like RPGS that have good gameplay and story... 🫣

spoiler alert I don't really have a particularly long list of rpgs that I go back to. ✌️

(Certainly I consider FF games to be generally in the "Good Story and gameplay" category.)

@Lofoten

"Sigh. Do one really want to spend 30 or more hours of ones life on an RPG with a so-so story?"

my thinking exactly. It's always surprising to me when someone says "I loved this JRPGand put XX hours into it, but the story was bland/boring."

Like, what? 🤔

To each their own! but reading and watching dozens or hundreds of hours of dialogue and narration of a bad story is not my idea of a good time.

and a so-so story is a bad story at scale, IMO. Luckily the back-log abides! 🎉

"While it may be based upon the plot of that mobile entry, this is a completely new, true-blue classic Final Fantasy"

Siri, define "completely new."

@Ganon821

i came back here to say

October 20th is forever known henceforth as "Switch Sports is better than Castlevania" Day!

😂 but you beat me to it ✌️

I was skeptical of the Switch but not nearly enough. The hopeful naivety of youth 🥲

the Wii launch being almost 20 years makes me feel much older, tbh. I was an adult, but just starting out, then! We were so excited 🤗

Not for mii.

Wii are holding out for a new Pilotwings game.

(Well not really.)

@charliecarrot

good catch! you are right, it is not fair to say that we never got a follow up of any kind on home console. 👍

rather, I'll say "I stand in absolute disbelief that we never got a followup Castlevania to SoTN on home console."

I stand in absolute disbelief that we never got a followup to SoTN of any kind on home console. One of gaming's great mysteries.

8/10 isnt going to cut it in a series chock full of 10s that I can (and do) play whenever I want. This doesnt resemble Castlevania to me in the slightest. Beyond that, these screenshots are simply ugly compared to any random screenshot of SOTN. It looks better in motion but the composition is not there.

I still want to play it but it'll be a sale. Dead Cells was fun for a while, afterall. ✌️

(these are opinions, for whoever can't sort that out.)

@Bentendo1609

I accept that, clearly you've been sensitive and thoughtful in your approach. thanks again for sharing your story and our love of this game ✌️