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Round Table: Looking Ahead to Nintendo in 2012

Posted by Nintendo Life Staff

Thomas Whitehead: Ok, let's move on to home consoles. We agree the Wii is fading away, but will titles like the new Mario Party help Nintendo achieve their goal of making it another PS2, ie selling well beyond its generation?

Christopher Ingram: I honestly don’t think Mario Party is a title to keep a system alive. But, I do think that the back-catalogue of cheap games will no doubt keep families purchasing for their little ones for years though.

Marcel van Duyn: Mario Kart Wii, Wii Fit and others are still selling like mad despite being 2-3 years old so I think that won't be a problem.

Mark Reece: I think the Wii U's more controller-y controller design is going to scare off a lot of the people who bought Wii's. The reason my mum can work a Wii Remote is because it's like a TV remote. You just point and press buttons. People like her are likely going to stick with what they know, so I think the Wii has a good few years left in it yet.

Ron DelVillano: If it's still selling, then there's no reason to stop producing it. I'd like to see it fade out (which I also think should have happened to the PS2 years ago), but that's probably not going to happen.

Mark Reece: To be fair, if the PS3 hadn't cost the same as a second-hand car at launch, the PS2 probably would have faded away years ago.

Dave Frear: I think it will quickly die off. There will be little (if any) new games and the shops would rather sell you the newer, pricier model.

James Newton: Wii sold so much by expanding the market, but has it reached saturation point? Families are moving to Kinect now, and what can Wii bring to non-gamers that they can't get elsewhere? That's the obstacle, I think.

Marcel van Duyn: A cheaper price.

Mark Reece: Motion control that works less than six feet from the TV.

Thomas Whitehead: I agree with Marcel and think the only remaining plus for the Wii is its exceptionally low price: an Xbox 360 with Kinect etc is still a fair bit more.

Moving onto the Wii U. Firstly, are we all confident it'll hit this calendar year, or is a disappointing 'early 2013' window a possibility?

James Newton: It's coming. It'll be out in October. You heard it here first (I may be making this up).

You hear that Reggie? Make it happen.

Mark Reece: Q4 2012 I reckon.

Ron DelVillano: I can see that happening. Nintendo isn't afraid to push back the release on games, but they'll throw the first iteration of a console into the market whether it's complete or not.

Thomas Whitehead: I agree it'll hit in time for Christmas, they'd be fools to use the same launch window as the 3DS.

Marcel van Duyn: Q3 or Q4 would be a good bet, they're probably gonna want to have it out a while before the next PlayStation and Xbox.

Christopher Ingram: Rumours are stirring up that we could see Sony and Microsoft’s next-gen systems by years end or early next year, which I’m doubtful of. But the Wii U has to be released before those systems hit the market, or Nintendo’s push to appeal to core gamers with Wii U could be rendered useless. Both Sony and Microsoft usually double their specs between hardware releases and if this holds true once again, both systems will be superior to the Wii U. Wii U needs to release this year, and do so with a vengeance if they really want to pull gamers away from their PS3 and 360s.

Ron DelVillano: I feel like I'm coming off as very bitter and angry in this whole discussion. I think the Wii U is going to come out this year, but I would gladly wait an extra year for Nintendo to make it an amazing console.

Dave Frear: I think it will be out towards the end of the year, but I agree with Ron: if it ends up as a rushed release and there are features missing I'd rather they delay it a bit.

Thomas Whitehead: Since E3 actual details, apart from speculation and rumours, have been thin on the ground. It's been stated that this was to focus on 3DS. Are any of you worried that this is because the console is still actually in a fairly early stage, could it be undercooked on launch?

Wii U needs to release this year, and do so with a vengeance if they really want to pull gamers away from their PS3 and 360s.

Christopher Ingram: Possibly a bit of both: 3DS got overshadowed by the Wii U confusion at last year’s E3 and the fact that the Wii U unveiling didn’t draw massive hype, but instead outcry, meant Nintendo had to let Wii U fade off the headlines for a while. They’d be best to not drop a home console on the market undercooked after last year’s 3DS hiccup!

James Newton: Nintendo announced it way before it was ready just to plug the leaks, really. I'm confident this year's showing will be much stronger, and will have real games and everything.

Ron DelVillano: Like I said, I'll gladly wait longer to give Nintendo the time to make the Wii U great.

Mark Reece: I certainly hope not. Obviously, any console needs the games more than anything else to succeed, but look at the features present on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3... then compare them to the Wii. Nintendo are going after the audiences of the current HD consoles with the WiiU, so they'd better make sure that it's up to scratch when it's released.

Oh, and ditch Friend Codes, Nintendo.

Marcel van Duyn: Yeah, they only showed tech demos last year and didn't even announce a single game of their own aside from Smash Bros. (which wasn't even supposed to be revealed yet) so it definitely was revealed earlier than they wanted, but I'm sure they'll have some good stuff at this year's E3.

Dave Frear: It seems rather underwhelming at the moment but hopefully we'll get more excited as we learn more about it.

Thomas Whitehead: Looking at the functions that have been unveiled, do you think there's enough of a selling point with Wii U. The main focus is surely on the controller and its possibilities, rather than HD visuals?

Is it enough to excite like the Wii/Revolution did?

James Newton: I'm a big believer in Wii U. Big believer.

Mark Reece: HD visuals will be a bonus, but Nintendo should be opening its chequebook and securing stuff like NetFlix, ESPN, Facebook, Twitter and the TV-On-Demand services that both Sony and Microsoft provide on their consoles. A fancy controller is one thing, but give the punters a reason to consider your console over the competition from the off. And don't be relying on promises of things yet to come. Give us a console worth owning on release day.

Thomas Whitehead: I actually think it can change gaming, if the price point is right. Vita/PS3 may be able to do similar things, but it'd cost a fair bit to complete the setup. If they can hit a price of £200-£250, with a launch game, it could sell like crazy: especially if the tablet controller is marketed to impress those who like iPads etc.

Ron DelVillano: I see the potential, but it's really up to the developers to really utilize the Wii U controller's capabilities. I feel the same way about this that I feel about the 3D technology in the 3DS. Some games like Super Mario 3D Land use the 3D to actually enhance and change gameplay, but other games just use it as sort of a gimmick.

Dave Frear: I'm not particularly fussed about the controller right now and whilst that could change when I see more of what it could use be used for, it doesn't seem like it will attract new people the way the Wii Remote did. A decent launch line-up is needed, which I hope will consist of more than Wii Sporty Pets U Like and some old PS360 games with tacked on tablet waving.

Marcel van Duyn: They have said that the graphics can match that of other current consoles, but since we haven't seen any games yet that's kind of hard to confirm. The second screen doesn't really do that much for me yet but I'm sure they can come up with some unique ideas for games that use it. I don't think it will be as big a system seller as the Wii's motion controls though.

Christopher Ingram: It all depends on what happens at this year’s E3! It’s a neat concept, but I’m just not sold on the system yet. Nintendo has to give me, as well as the millions of handheld console and pad owners a reason to go out and buy their Wii U, of which it’s quite similar too. Also, if either Sony or Microsoft shows any gameplay footage of their next-gen systems, then Wii U could be in for a serious uphill climb trying to win over core gamers and the casual crowd alike.

Mark Reece: Maps and HUDS, that's what third parties see in that controller's screen. I can see it now.

Thomas Whitehead: I still think price and iPad style apps will be absolutely vital. If a consumer sees an iPad for £400 and a Wii U, with similar functions and a genuine console to go with their Wii Remotes thrown in, it could be huge.

Marcel van Duyn: I'd like to see it used for something like that Fatal Frame game on 3DS, where you would look around with it and see hidden stuff.

Mark Reece: Can I point out: when are Nintendo going to put the right-hand analogue stick and the face buttons the right way round?

Just sayin' — face buttons below analogue stick = heresy.

Thomas Whitehead: We need to wait for E3, they've already said that a new iteration is in the works before it launches.

James Newton: Yeah, the final form will be shown at E3, so I guess there may be some tweaks. Maybe proper sticks instead of Circle Pads, please!

Thomas Whitehead: To round things off, what are your hopes and dreams, or expectations even, for Nintendo Life in 2012?

James Newton: Nintendo Life is going to be even better this year. That's all.

Thomas Whitehead: I’m looking forward to all of the improvements and content we’ll be working on, and it’s thrilling to have the prospect of covering a new Nintendo console release for a second consecutive year.

Mark Reece: I’m proud to have been contributing to Nintendo Life in the past few months, and thank James and Thomas for their support and guidance. I look forward to moving upward and contributing more in 2012.

Christopher Ingram: I have to say that I’m definitely honoured to be a part of this awesome team and glad that I was able to charm our lovely Nintendo Life Towers receptionist into letting me sneak into all of these Roundtables – I just hope she continues to like white roses and dark chocolate treats this year too! 2012 is already lining up to be a fantastic year for not only Nintendo Life, but our other network sites as well, and I can’t wait to see what the future holds for us.

Ron DelVillano: We're definitely growing, and we'll be busy this next year, but I think it'll be a good one. I feel like we're really contributing, especially now with the 3DS gaining steam. We're doing a damn fine job, and it feels great.

Marcel van Duyn: I just hope we continue to be as awesome and keep growing!

Dave Frear: I also hope Nintendo Life continues to grow; maybe start a new site or launch a breakfast cereal.

Thomas Whitehead: Thanks guys, it’s been as enjoyable as ever. Here’s hoping for a wonderful 2012.

What do you expect from the 3DS, Wii and Wii U in 2012? Are you excited, worried, unsure? We'd love to read your thoughts in the comments below.

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User Comments (75)



Usagi-san said:

Why do people insist the 3ds needs another anologue stick? I really don't see it. Must be a FPS player thing.

I just hope they don't do a redesign and make games that are "dual anologue stick control only". That would have me seriously peeved if it was a game I was interested in.



ThomasBW84 said:

I feel that I need the second circle pad for practical reasons, because I'm left handed. While stylus aiming or camera control can work on the touchscreen, I find it awkward to use the stylus in my right hand. From that perspective, upcoming games like Resident Evil Revelations will be much easier for me to play.



Linkstrikesback said:

It's not only FPS games. It's useful for camera control in 3d adventure/rpg/platformer games.

You can live without it, but it makes it much easier.



Mahe said:

The Last Story, Rhythm Heaven, Mario Party 9, Bit.Trip Complete, Boom Street, La Mulana - Wii's last year is looking great. 3DS, not so much, unless there are some surprises in store.



C-Olimar said:

Mario Kart 3D: Double Dash Deluxe
And after an original Zelda, I would love Majora's Mask 3D, since I, as well as many others, have never played it before.
A 3DSPro - Circle Pad Pro built in. I don't think it will be considered a full redesign - an alternative to the 3DS. A little like the Wii Remote Plus.



Geonjaha said:

i'm left handed but I dont think I want or need a second circle pad - whether it be the Circle Pad pro or actually put right under ABYX in a redesign.



C-Olimar said:

Nobody should expect the Wii U to blow the competition out of the water this time around. It could still do well, if it can retain enough of the casual market whilst winning some of the hardcore and shooter market, but it should be a close race.Wii U will probably sell well, but finish 3rd.



Spoony_Tech said:

I'm actually looking forward to more third party games then first party this year already. Yeah I want the usual from Nintendo but I'm also very much interested in Tekken3d Heroes of Ruin resident Evil: Revelations Metal Gear Solid 3 Kingdom Hearts: DDD and anything Atlus decides to release! I also believe for me anyways that as long as some of the bigger name Nintendo games come out this year the 3ds will be fine! Please Capcom give us Monster Hunter!! As for the Wii U. They need only to have one great game at launch to be successful! That may sound bad but I'm only talking about this year for around Christmas. Look at how long Mario sustained the n64 when nothing else new came out for a long time after that! It would be nice to also have a killer app for their new controller! Not a mini game like Wii sports but something you have to use it for! I really do like the innovation the controller can bring. Lets just hope it doesn't take 5 years for someone to fully utilize it!

Edit: let me add Tails of the Abyss to my list above.



C-Olimar said:

@Mahe you've got to be the only person who thinks the 3DS' year is worse than the Wii's! The 3DS has Luigi's Mansion 2, Kingdom Hearts 3D, Kid Icarus, Resident Evil, Professor Layton, Heroes of Ruin, Rolling Western, Samurai Sakura, Animal Crossing 3D, Mario Tennis, Mutant Mudds and Mario + Sonic, plus other unannounced games. The 5 Wii Games(Boom Street was out in 2011) you listed look good, but they really have nothing on the 3DS - and I doubt the Wii has many good unannounced games - it will be replaced like 10 months into the year anyway!



shingi_70 said:

there will be on redesign. there is no way too make it smaller with a second analog and better battery life.

plus none of nintendo's own games are using it.



SkywardLink98 said:

Why do they need to make a lite? The 3DS is good as it is. Adding a second analog stick below the buttons looks uncomfortable. But so does the Circle pad Pro. At least with the accessory you can take it off.



blaa6 said:

I'd say......have Majora's Mask 3D on standby. When a drought of 3DS Games comes, release that....after all other remakes first.
Paper Mario is a mixed bag. Graphics look superb. After Super Paper Mario(not too bad, just okay), it's nice to see more RPG and less Platformer, though it's not bad to mix them(needs to be a balance; this game has it). I need more...things about it to help me decide; I've seen all trailers from E3 and all others.
And Mario Tennis looks good (like Mario Power Tennis which isn't a bad thing).
Other honerable mentions are Roller Coaster Tycoon 3D and Order Up!!(The !! means 2).
Something that's been bothering me: NO MAIN SERIES POKEMON TITLES. (I said main series, so Rumble Blast doesn't count). Lay down the DS and look to the 3DS, Pokemon Company!
I'm pleasantly surprised that Luigi's Mansion 2 is getting so much praise. LUIGI FOREVER!
Overall looks good. One last thing. (Quoted by Sonic Shorts) Mario - "Why the hell are we in a car?" And that's why Mario Party 9 will suck.



Slapshot said:

Nintendo will always releases new designs for their handheld consoles. They make good money doing it.

I'm still waiting on Nintendo to release a DS Micro, so that my Game Boy Micro will have a friend to play with.



milkman12 said:

if nintendo releases majora's mask 3D, i can save my money and buy a wii(or wii U later on) so i can play TP and SS. then im getting a gamecube so i can play wind waker. i plan to play every zelda game in the library. but if a link to the past comes to 3ds as a 3D classic, my purchase of a SNES was a waste.



alLabouTandroiD said:

Great roundtable as always, guys.
All in all this will be a very interesting year for all Nintendo lovers. Seeing the available and announced 3DS games so far sends a very core signal to me. There's also quite some variety in it. So while some fresh touch-controlled games and 2D platformers would be great i'd say the 3DS is on track with the wider range of games it promised. It feels so entirely different to the image the DS had with its major sellers Brain Training and Nintendogs. (Which was also great at the time.)
This got me thinking about that now Nintendo could really reap what they've sown with the DS and Wii. With the right marketing many of the casual gamers who bought these could be turned into a core crowd. If not yet with retail games, maybe with great titles from the eShop first. It could be the next step in their personal gaming evolution. (Or maybe recently i'm just on bad drugs, i don't know)
With the recent turnaround success of the 3DS maybe we'll even see a more confident and more flexible Nintendo from now on. They may even surprise us on a regular base. (In a good way i mean. )
Aside from the clear need of killer launch titles for the Wii U i hope it will support 3D from the get go. It doesn't need to be glasses-free, it doesn't need to be bragged about but it would be very interesting in combination with WiiMotionPlus controlled titles. And even if it's not a big feature anymore they might rue not including it later.

PS: I'll write more if i find the time.



Wolfcoyote said:

I haven't posted here for a long while, but this feature is a good reason to begin posting again. Great feature guys and here's hoping for many more.

My two cents regarding the 3DS in 2012: it's true that third-party support is a little lacking but there should definitely be a huge plethora of announcements coming upon E3 2012. The issue will be the third-party development community splitting resources between the 3DS and the Vita, with many of the developers wishing to test the limits of the Vita rather than devote more resources than necessary for 3DS development (NIS and Nihon Falcom being the chief among them).

Despite this, if Nintendo and their partners work harder to push the eShop and it's content then that should help to assuage 3DS owners' fears during the "dry months". While I'm not blind to the gaping holes in their software offerings it still won't stop me from traveling to NY and purchasing one in early March. SM3DL, MK7, OoT3D, Kid Icarus and the upcoming Tales of the Abyss along with games that I grew up with like DK '94, Wario Land 3 and others will be well worth it until newer experiences become available.

And I'm sure that many of us have huge DS libraries to supplement the scant offerings of physical 3DS software...



Yellowgerbil said:

The 3DS really needs a good games coming out every other month, because 3ds games are quite short (except Mario Kart 7). For example;
Super Mario 3D Land, I'd completed it with five stars in less than a month.

I think nintendo need these games in europe spread out over the year;
Professor Layton and The Mask of Miracle, Kid Icarus uprising, A Zelda, Monster hunter 3G, Tekken and The rolling western to get the 3DS rolling.

Thinking about the WII U, I keep on replaying in my head what Miyamoto said about Pikmin 3 and Super Smash Bros (might be Universe).



grumblebuzzz said:

I really don't think having Majora's Mask on standby would help Nintendo much. It gets love from fans now, but when it was released, it was the most maligned Zelda game since II. It's also the most difficult one in the 3D series, being that there's barely any hint on where to go or what to do and the time limit sort of makes things that much more difficult so something tells me that Nintendo knows these facts and we won't ever see a full-scale remake of this game. The "never say never" thing they said about it originally was just to kind of be nice to the fans who want it imo. Don't get me wrong, I love Majora's Mask but somehow I don't feel like the Call of Duty generation would be all that into it, whereas they were willing to try out Ocarina because their older siblings and parents loved that game so much.

Ok, that having been said, for the 3DS this year I'm really hoping to see releases from all the games that have been revealed so far and more. I feel like while the games that they've shown us are great, they're not the system shifters that 3D Land and Mario Kart were. I really, really hope at E3 this year that they at least reveal something on Smash Bros 3DS. That would get fans of that series going nuts. Even though it won't happen now probably for quite some time because of all the bad hype Other M got, I'd love a new Metroid title too. Also, does anyone else kind of have a psychic notion that a new Donkey Kong game might be coming to the 3DS?

As far as this year for the Wii U, it really needs to pull out some big guns if it has any hope of success. Even as a die-hard Nintendo fan of 20 years now, when I saw it, I yawned. No joke. My body physically yawned. That's not the reaction your fans should have to your new console. They better have Mario at the starting door or I smell the potential for a Dreamcast disaster with this thing.



WingedSnagret said:

I honestly don't think much of the extra circle pad myself. But I agree that it may be useful for certain games in the near future. Roller Coaster Tycoon 3D? Hmm, I remember playing that series on the PC several years back, so I might want to look into that one. But other than that, the only titles that I'm interested in at the moment are (this one is definitely first day buy) Kid Icarus: Uprising and maybe Luigi's mansion 2.



Mariokart77 said:

I honestly think that a remake of Mario Kart: Double Dashwould be an amazing choice for the Nintendo team to work on.



DF2506 said:

" James Newton: I only need Animal Crossing and then I can go on with my life much more happily."

Amen to that.

" Dave Frear: Yes, yes I am. I'm especially looking forward to Kid Icarus and I don't know why as I've never liked the previous games."

Kid Icarus looks interesting, but I have no plans at all to buy it. Would be nice to play a demo though.

" I'm a bit worried about Animal Crossing, I'm sure there will be some good new features but then it will be only ever-so-slightly-different and I'll be disappointed. Again."

Wow. I've heard this ALOT here & on other sites. I guess its from people that either A) Were burned by City Folk being too much like Wild World or B) People that don't understand Crossing at all.

As a Crossing fan, ya, I'll admit that City Folk wasn't perfect. Its still, imo, the best Animal Crossing because of its online features, but yes, there is so much more they could have done with it. You can see that, things like the City, were rushed so that Nintendo could get the game out. Still, a really fun game.

Now, the thing about Animal Crossing is that (much like a Mario game), there are things like fishing, bug hunting, talking to the animals/doing favors for them, collecting fossils, paintings: that HAVE to be in Crossing or its not Animal Crossing. That said, the new game looks to add features that are MORE than just ever so slight changes. Like what you ask?

Being Mayor/adding stuff to your town is a a MAJOR step forward for the series. Previously, if you wanted to add outdoor furninture to your town you'd have to be a HACKER. The new game is giving the player, without hacking, the ablity to add benches, street lamps, wells, and more!

Plus the game is adding customizable furniture, the ablity to change pants and shoes, and an improved City thats much closer to your town.

And I'm sure there's stuff that Nintendo hasn't shown us yet. So I believe that the game will be much improved from previous entries. Will it totally radically different from the previous games? Most likely not. Sure it'll have a much of great new features, but its still Animal Crossing. It'll still have the feel of a Crossing game, much like, no matter how you "change" a Mario game, its still a Mario game. Same with Zelda.

So if you not a fan of this type of game, than the new one prob won't convince you. But if you really love Animal Crossing or love sim games, I think you are in for a treat. I could be wrong, sure, maybe the features won't be as mind-blowing as I think. Will I be disappointed? Sure, a little, but I'm looking forward to the game a ton. I'm sure, no matter what, I'll have hours upon hours of fun with the game. Can't wait!

Oh and Paper Mario is another big one I'm looking forward to. Not as much as Animal Crossing, but quite a bit. Big fan of the series. This one looks great. WIsh Nintendo would announce dates for these two games already. lol.

Great article guys!



TingLz said:

HOLD IT!! Why does James need an introduction? Everyone knows who he is



ShadJV said:

You told them people wouldn't like a Majora's Mask 3D? NOOOO!!!! I was so praying for that remake, it's my favorite title even if it is somewhat underappreciated! (Granted, I want a NEW 3DS Zelda title first, but I was really hoping that one would come afterwards!)



chronicler said:

I actually disagree with Mark, I think Nintendo did good at first to leave out the second Circle Pad, because it would have replaced and overshadowed the gyroscopic features. For instance, I would have probably not used the gyroscope in Ocarina 3D had I been given another option, but I'm glad I've become acquainted with them now, as it works astoundingly. But now that the community has had a chance to see what the new features can do, I would welcome a second circle pad, provided the price isn't raised.



ShadJV said:

Okay, my last comment was when I was midway through the article... I think Nintendo has learned it's lesson with the 3DS problems. Not only did they lose money, they had to appease early adopters. They will definitely begin working harder on the handheld's software, and so, though there are only a few known upcoming games, more should be announced soon. They won't risk a drought in the system yet. I predict third parties are taking notice of the rising sales and may begin supporting it more. (Maybe they'll even uncancel Megaman?)

As for the Wii U... once again, 2011 taught Nintendo some valuable lessons. They won't release the system prematurely and will be sure to have a solid launch lineup. I doubt they'll delay it, as that would give them a huge disadvantage in the next gen console war. So they will definitely make sure the system is out on time as well as ready. Also, they are noticing that a system needs more support than just games, so I'd say Netflix, OnDemand, Facebook, and more will all be present. I just hope they don't continue to underestimate the importance of online capabilities. It's not too late for them to change their mind and have a more streamlined service closer to XBL or PSN. Let's hope this comes with the E3 announcements.



ShyGuy said:

well they should keep doing and makeing more stuff but i have the 3ds and it seems cool its only 169.99 but it is worth it



Knuckles said:

Just make me a new good sonic game akin to sonic colors for the 3ds first then wii u maybe generations, i want those levels, and graphics



Kirk said:

I'm not convinced Nintendo is actually making a loss of the current 3DS hardware.



Wolfcoyote said:

@Lordlz: Crap, I forgot about Rhythm Thief! That game looked awesome! Yet another reason why we shouldn't worry too much about the software holes. There's probably at least a dozen more titles that many others forgot.



Dodger said:

I honestly can't see myself owning a Wii U anytime soon. I'm 15, I'm looking at college, getting a car (and insurance) and eventually getting married. I don't need another expensive distraction through high school. If it turns out well then I might get it as a treat for finishing the SAT or something but until then, I was late to the party with the Wii and I can enjoy the excellent back catalogue for that that will only get cheaper along with games for the DS and the 3DS. It took me a year to save up for a 3DS and I don't want to start that all over again for a system that doesn't excite me much.

There, I'm done being mature for the day.

I've been waiting since June 2010 for news on when Animal Crossing will be out. I might accidently smash my keyboard in frustration if I watch the E3 presentation and they don't announce a solid release date and I don't want to do that.



warioswoods said:

"It might not happen this year, but there WILL be a new 3DS model with the second circle pad included"

Absolutely not. Have you really thought about this?

The Circle Pad Pro (henceforth CCP) doesn't just add a right analog; it also adds a second layer of shoulder buttons and a curved grip - Now, let's think carefully about the implications: how could a redesign even make sense?

First off, the games designed for the CCP absolutely are designed to use the extra shoulder buttons (you need more than 2 buttons to add to your analog, after all, and can't easily use face buttons at all with both thumbs planted), so if you added a new circle pad without the second shoulder row, you'd be breaking backwards compatibility with these. Oops. Not to mention that you'd now have a hard time coming up with any workable control schemes with just 2 shoulder buttons.

So, maybe they'll somehow add those shoulder buttons into a redesign? Let's think about that. You'll have to do one of two things: make the device even thicker--surely a no-no unless this is just a niche XL model--or somehow place the buttons side-by-side. Try imagining it that way. It doesn't work.

Furthermore, you can't just shove a circle pad onto the right half, below the face buttons, and have it work out. Try it yourself: hold the 3DS as if it had a second circle pad placed there. You'll have hand cramps in no time, and you'll barely be able to even use the one existing right shoulder button without great discomfort and awkwardness.

It just doesn't add up, not by a long shot. The CCP itself adds all that bulk because it's necessary if you want a dual-analog control setup. You can't do it shoving one onto the face of the current device. There are even more reasons that this idea makes no sense, but I'll stop there.



stromboli said:

The Wii U has the potential of being a bigger success than the Wii. It appeals to both hardcore games, bridging the gap with PC's in terms of graphics (since it's confirmed it has better graphics than the 360, and the number of possible buttons on the controller), and also appeals to casual gamers. Most casual gamers have been waiting for the Wii U, and haven't bought any other consoles. Many of them just bought HD tv's now, or will buy them in 2012. People who bought Kinect were mostly current 360 users. Wii U does not need to take any users from 360 or Sony - they are meaningless. It will take new users growing up and wanting consoles, like happened with the Wii, and it will take the 80 million adopters of the Wii.

Wii was a victory for Nintendo not just for that generation of consoles, but it was a general victory for the brand. Everyone knows what a Wii is. And everyone will be excited to buy the new Wii. This thing is going to be huge.




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KittyKatMeow said:

Why would you tell Nintendo that people don't want Majora's Mask 3D?! That's completely false, it's probably the most asked-for remake. Aren't all the new games we're getting good enough for you? Boo-hoo, you can't handle one more remake, even though we've been assured that a new Zelda title will come first?

I and many others would love a Majora's Mask remake for the 3DS. The remake-phobia is so stupid that you should be embarrassed for being part of it. Remakes are not new to the gaming world, and they don't and have never hurt the development of new games. We've had 2 first party remakes for the 3DS, Ocarina of Time and Starfox, that's not too many. If you don't want remakes, don't buy them, but a remake developed by a third party and released during the development time of a new game won't effect you at all. Majora's Mask uses so much from Ocarina of Time that it wouldn't take much to make it and Nintendo would get a profit, a profit they could use toward new games. There is no reason at all the be against it, and I have lost all respect for you and this website.



ThomasBW84 said:

@KittyKatMeow - Just to clarify something that's come up in a few comments. We, as in Nintendo Life, didn't oppose or 'tell Nintendo' that we didn't want Majora's Mask 3D. I believe Dave was referring to the 'we' as in the gaming community, perhaps interpreting a relatively low-key response when Nintendo mentioned it may be a possibility. While Ocarina of Time is commonly known, Majora's Mask arguably has a lower profile amongst the general public, even if it's loved by more experienced or enthusiastic gamers.

My own comment saying I'd rather see a new Zelda is based on the fact that we've already had a couple of remakes, probably because they had a quicker dev time and could fill the schedule until the big Holiday Mario titles. I suspect there'll be a far greater focus on new titles in the next couple of years, rather than N64 remakes.

I do agree with a comment earlier in this thread saying that maybe Ninty should develop Majora's Mask 3D and keep it in the locker for a quiet release period, that seems like a good idea.



KittyKatMeow said:

@ThomasBW84 I'm glad you didn't tell them that fans don't want it. I want to apologize for my harsh response, I thought that you had betrayed the fans who wanted to see the remake and this was very upsetting.

I'm sure a little advertising would make the game more well-known, just the Virtual Console release alone has nearly tripled the game's modern notoriety. And I'm sure Nintendo would fix the issues players had with it in a remake, like they fixed the Water Temple. But I agree it would be best to save it for a slow time. Remakes can wait, but new games shouldn't be put off for them.



Smooth27 said:

In terms of games im extremely.lookunf forward to RE: Rev. and MGS3D simply because it caters more the hardcore which is what I want more and Kid Icarus, sure its something news but thats just what.we need not just zelda, mario and metroid, although i'd like to see a metroid fps with the new peripheral because they need to use what they make unlike wii speak and others.
Im hoping that we get more 3rd party games, I had unspeakably high hopes for Saints Row, Assassins Creed, and Contra 4. I hope they bring them back soon. Also games like battlefield, ghost recon future soldier on 3ds instead of DS or aswell, Call of Duty? I think activision wont dissapoint and take it to n-Space . If I can remember correctly e3 for the 3ds they promised that we were able to watch 3D movies such as Tangled amd How to Train Your Dragon, and also aside of VC they said Turbo Grafx and Game Gear games.
Now for eshop, I hope they are more flexible for devs. I want useful apps like 3ds calculator and calender and a photo.l clock but im only not satisfied with the dsi ones simply because spotpass and streetpass are not on when playing anything that isnt exclusive to 3ds. Currently loving the Friend list update because its as accurate as it needed to be and as it should be the notification on that part is not quiet their yet so hope they make the notification extremely keen and instantly as much as possible specially on swapnote. All I really really want and I think its really needed is the '' Invite To Game'' options so the ''Join Game'' option can make more sense and not only that but make it A LOT! easier to actually join your friends game. As for Swapnote it sucks that you cant continue a conversation. It should have an option such as '' Quick Note'' maybe a quick note that you can type or draw and it only appears on your friends notification and read it from their mabe 50 charecters max. For example I want to ask my friend if he has time to play online.
Lastly, on the hardware side at first I thought of suicide if a mew model came out. But now that I think about it, I wouldn't mind a new sleeker brighter, lighter, but most importantly the second.l analogue already im lncluded and the battery life. Im tired of only being able to play for a little while or on a low brightness and having to charge it as soon as im not using it. Also if they add two more trigger buttons if possible would complete the systems and a huge library of games would open more, If not I wouldnt mind a peripheral included in purches that adds that. Many are prob reading this like wtf! What for? Well it can be a great choice and benitfull as the 3ds can act as a or the second control for the ''Wii U''. Instead of buying the second Wii U controller gonna be expensive.why not by a 3DS Lite (incase it has all buttons and if a 3ds lite actually happens) not just cuz its compatable but not only can you use it as a controller but compare it to a wii u controller its obviously worth it because their is not gonna be MGS3D or assumably Pokemon Grey on the Wii U controller so obviously it can also bring sales up aswell. Plus you can trade it in at your local game store and pay maybe like 5O bucks difference.
P.s. What happened to Hulu Plus



Ashflow said:

"Also Nintendo asked us if we thought people would be interested in a Majora's Mask for 3DS, and we told them no."
It's ok though, Aonuma already said they were considering it after making Zelda 3DS.



ThomasBW84 said:

@Ashflow I clarified that point in comment 42, we didn't say anything of the sort to Nintendo, Dave was making a different point



RevolverLink said:

If we come out of 2012 without at least having seen Pikmin 3, I'll be incredibly disappointed.



lanabanana said:

If they signed a contract with Youtube or Vevo and realeased Flipnote Memo , the sales will most likely shoot up like a rocket! XD



Ashflow said:

That's what I get for skipping most of the comments
Thanks for your explanation (To be honest I thought it was a joke when I read it, so my comment was meant a little more light-hearted than how it appears).
Somewhat more on-topic: Really hoping for Paper Mario this year!



ShadJV said:


Thank you for clarifying this. And if, by chance, Nintendo DOES ask about a Majora's Mask remake, to gauge interest, I do think many fans would love the idea of them saving it for a dry spell, when there are few releases. I in no way want them to delay a new Zelda 3DS game for this.


I wholeheartedly agree. We've been waiting too long for that title, and Nintendo have mentioned it for a couple E3s now but we've not even seen a picture. I'd prefer it as a Wii U launch title, but, at the very least, they better show it at E3 this year!



Daz-brum said:

Wii U F Zero a must come on Nintendo remember what games from yesteryear sold so well!!



Sapo said:

I don't give a 'thing' about power in a console, but 3rd parties do.
I wouldn't be happy to have another console like Wii that, even if it sells like bread, no one except Nintendo is willing to develop on it.
I had to buy a PS3 to play bayonetta, mortal kombat etc..
And I'm not wanting to do it.
I love Nintendo's IPs and we always have had good technology (Gamecube is definitely a great console compared to PS2).
They have got lot of money from Wii, now I want they to give us back a great console and not a less-than-ps4xbox720-thing.
I could live forever playing Mario, Zelda, Kirby, DK, F-zero.. But heck, I don't want to lose great games like I was supposed to do with this gen!



SparkOfSpirit said:

I can't wait to see what Nintendo announces at E3 for the year's second half. The last few years they've announced some of my favorite games there, and I'm sure they'll continue the streak this year.

I especially look forward to what third parties plan on doing to support the 3DS. A new Monster Tale, for instance, would be more than welcome.



Squiggle55 said:

I don't want a 3ds lite, I want a 3ds xl. Give me a bigger 3ds that's more comfortable to hold (like the circle pad pro supposedly does), a bigger 3d screen, and room for a much better battery.



Shirma_Akayaku said:

I think Nintendo should port N64 games to the 3DS. For example (this is one of my favs) Mario Tennis 64 or Mario Party 3. I'm also looking forward to Luigi's Mansion 2.



Sapo said:

@Gamesake Actually I've chosen my PS3 over an xbox just because of free online gaming and LittleBigPlanet.
I know those games are way better on 360.. (And believe me, that's sad if you think someone paid it 600 bucks .___.)



Pichuka97 said:

I agree with you WhiteMage75, Mario Party 3 FTW!
Also with updated wi-fi multiplayer would be amazing and I would be glued to my 3DS non stop



Yoshifan523 said:

me im waiting for nintendo to announce a newremake of a yoshi, kirby, or donkey kong game for the 3ds
and also iwould love to know what games nintendo are going to release for the wii-u's launch



Supereor said:

Sequels, remakes, spinoffs... when will Nintendo make an essentially new game? You never know, millions of people might love it and demand sequels, which kind of contradicts the first sentence, eh?

Quick question... I sold my DSi XL for 95 buckses off my Nintendo 3DS. How can I get my games downloaded on there back?



Nilkad_Naquada said:

The 3ds does not need dual analog. the metroid prime game turned out amazing without dual analog controls, so unless you're completely close-minded and can't handle any change whatsoever, you can survive without them.and if you really can't stand the prime control scheme, then instead of dual analog you could use the gyro controls: circle pad to move and turn to turn. it would feel more natural to turn rather than move the right circle pad.or just do what prime hunters did with the touch screen. i know it gave some people cramps but imo it worked well. that game was bad imo for a lot of reasons, but the controls weren't one of them.



Gamesake said:

It's worth considering that when the 3DS does get a redesign, on top of the new things it will have (second circle pad, extra battery life?), it most likely won't play your old DS games.



Mahe said:

@C-Olimar, you listed a bunch of 3DS games that just plain suck, like Luigi's Mansion and Animal Crossing. I don't want that stuff. Mutant Mudds is the only interesting game in your list.



Gamesake said:

He also listed Resident Evil: Revelations, which is rated E for Everyone wants that game.



Maggots said:

why would anyone ever be upset that a new 3DS redesign came out?... Were you upset that the game boy pocket came out? ... How about the GBC?... I bet you were pissed that the GBA launched... and when the SP came out was it terrible?... How about the DS lite or DSi? ... Stop saying you'll be angry that a newer better device will come out... what do you expect? ... How is it a bad thing.. ? ... sell your old one buy the new one! it's not that big of a deal... !... I can't wait to see new designs and new models of things!



Shworange said:

I'm looking forward to the wiiU, but I would be willing to wait a few extra months if it meant Nintendo would take additional R&D time to bring the graphics up to that of the PS4 and 720. By not doing that, it just seems like the quality 3rd party games will be left out yet again.



alLabouTandroiD said:

Okay, some more thoughts ...

... about the 3DS
@Christopher: Next year's too early for a new Ace Combat, i don't want it to feel like an annual update kind of game. 2013 would be right if it feels different or adds online.

While an RPG mode in Mario Tennis and the inevitable Mario Golf (Ninty themselves talked about how putting could benefit from 3D) would be great i guess i'd appreciate a Mario Kart 7 approach a lot more. Just think about being able to buy different gear and using it online. The Mario characters cannot be leveled up, that would just be strange. So are they handicapped when they play aginst your character then ? Wouldn't that be hard to swallow for the one playing as a Mario character ?

The Circle Pad Pro has to be really cheap for me to get it. For more than 10 € quite a few games better benefit from it greatly.
If 3DS sales go down again besides Pokémon Ninty probably has a 2D Mario game ready. I'll never mind another great 2D platformer.
Edit: And i hope they give FPS's another shot on the 3DS.

... about the Wii U, babies:
Props for the remarks about right hand stick placement and sticks instead of Pads.
*Edit: And i just want games on the WiiU. Cool apps that take tablet-advantage are nice but i can do without 'em.
I also hope 2012 will give us more Baby Bros all around. They're just too damn adorable.

@chronicler (26.): Umm, i played it without a second C-Pad and without gyro controls ..
@GrandChaseLover (66.): You should have transferred them to the 3DS before selling your DSi. If you didn't delete your DSi Shop account it might be your best bet to get your old one back for the transfer if possible. If not try to contact Nintendo. But don't get your hopes up to high, it's likely that you have to pay for the ones you want back.



KiroX777 said:

@ 7 how do i like that comment... that was true talk, nintendo messed up on that part using way too much unnecessary energy in appealing to the little kids/ new comers



kdognumba1 said:

Good article, very glad I went back and read it. I'm really looking forward to seeing what all Nintendo does in 2012 as it seems they have the most to gain and to lose, just like before the Wii launched. I'm not too excited for the Wii U, yet, but I'm very interested to seeing the final product, in system software, and the games.

As for 3DS, I'm hoping to hear about to tons of localization stuff and hoping to see good western developed games.



fabbemannen said:

To be honest, I think that the Wii U got great potential, but like always, it depends on the games.
Let's compare it with the Wii for example. The motion controls just looked like a gimmick, until it was used properly. Games like Twilight Princess for example (which got my favorite game-controls in any game I've seen) simply used the motion controls to act as extra buttons (shield with the nunchuck, the bow-aiming etc.). And while TP had some practical uses of it, Skyward Sword unleashed it's full potential with all-motion.
Graphics of the Wii too, I really love how games like Skyward Sword, Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, Brawl etc. looks like.

Back to the Wii U, like I said, great potential. Mii Chase for example, I would really want that as a party game (Mario Party-minigame anyone?) and Nintendo have always surprised me with how they use their gimmicks (while 3rd-party developers often fail with it), and they most likely will shock me again. I can see so many uses for it, not just maps and such.

Well, to be honest, I would buy it for SSB4 alone (which I actually did with the 3DS, good move there Nintendo...)

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