The rest of the direct was disappointing as far as first-party goes. Ports galore on both Switch and 3DS. Sick of this. Only looking forward to Octopath Traveler. Smash is the only exception I'll make to double dip as it is a big multiplayer based game and the $60 will be justified by the amount of content.
@redd214 failures are a blessing in disguise. Xbox has become an evolution of what it was when it first released the brand. The only thing that's missing are more games but they are investing into them now. It'll be a different ballgame in 3 years.
@Akropolon yeah, I don't even think that's their goal anymore. They are persistent on making sure the box is the best out of all this gen by the end of it. Their strategies are something that will benefit them in the next cycle where they will come in with full backwards compatibility and being able to continue/stream to PC and have the game pass at launch.
@Akropolon I think gamers do care but Xbox has had a bumpy road since launch. I couldn't imagine what kind of desert it would be if it still had the same features as it did during launch. Its my go to as well and I also love the streaming to PC, it works like a charm if you have both hooked up via ethernet. I've jumped off the Nintendo bandwagon and onto Xboxs since after I beat Odyssey. I guess there is something about the underdog that I like.
Switch and ps4 still suck compared to Xbox when it comes to power, pro consumer features and its amazing backwards compatibility. Nintendo charging more for ports than what they were when they released while I can play my 360 games in 4k for free. Crazy.
@Reignmaker I’d recommend FE Warriors over Hyrule. I love Zelda and played many games and I only played two FE games but FE universe fits int Warriors games much better. FE is all about strategy and they pulled a bunch of the strategy elements out of that game, character relationships, commanding your squads and how they work together, upgrading heroes and their abilities/skills, upgrading heroes to advanced classes (like Pokémon evolution), the weapon triangle. I just had more fun with that game and actually enjoyed beating unlike Hyrule which felt long and way more like a mindless hack and slash. Also the story was more interesting, HW’s is rubbish story. There are events you can do post-game that recreate scenes from the FE games, it’s a has a nice end-game and you could say the ending of the campaign is where the game actually starts. In HW, the end-game is filled with random maps.
I don’t think anybody ever bought an Xbox One for the indies and the 1X is Xbox’s shift to being the most powerful console, which was the point of the original Xbox. In that case indies won’t take advantage of the box and it’s not portable so it’s not the best place for them. It would be like buying an elite PC to play Fez. It’s really meant for AAA/AA games and studio-funded “indies”.
@rjejr i agree for games like this which locked content you already paid for behind a time gate but for full games like injustice 2, I think that game has plenty of content in the $60 launch tag and rolling out dlc didnt complete the game but instead added onto an already completed game.
@thesilverbrick true, but they are not even that fun. the appeal wears off quick in those games. Lego is literally just crush stuff over and over. Disney is a little better. There are better and cheaper platformers out there than Skylanders. Either way to unlock the full game it could cost you $500+ for each one. It comes down to the memory you had with the title. I think parents and kids will have more fun and learn more with Labo instead of the gimmick of setting a plastic toy on a plastic platform so you can spawn a character for the sake of crushing things and just zoning out. It's way more creative than constantly looking at the screen and can spawn some really cool ideas if it takes off. Imagine a Little Big Planet or Dreams type game where you make a game in the game and create your own real-life contraption to control it. It can be pretty revolutionary for some time and it wouldn't be possible with plastic. Paper allows it to be cost-efficient for the producer, cheaper for the buyer and better for the environment than plastic. I don't argue with you that they are disposable but I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with that because the experiences and memories are what matter. What was the last time somebody pulled Wii Sports out to play at a party or get-together? Games get old and so many get stashed into a basement, attic, closet or shelf never to be used again. It's only the memories of them and experiencing them with others that remain. Also, all the materials that help people be creative are disposable. Clay, paper, ink, etc.
@thesilverbrick all toys are disposable and it’s for kids so of course you won’t see justification but remember than skylanders, Disney infinity and LEGO dimensions came bare-bones at $100 and look how much they are worth now so $80 for this kind of thing, which is more healthy than those for kids, is not a huge ask.
@thesilverbrick I feel the same way. Only 2 new games in first half of 2018. That’s no better than Wii U era and they are just asking Wii U supporters pay full price for an upgrade and a sliver of bonus content.
@ThanosReXXX exactly, people just want the mascot on the front cover nowadays. these are actually the good and original box covers that we are missing now
I got mine for $20 or less each for the amazon and gamestop ones and the splatoon 2 ones, free shipping off some ebay account. Not bad but wouldnt pay more than that.
@JayJ Another interesting thing I just remembered is that it costs around $80 for a second player controller for this game and did so at launch until the non-official controllers came out. But hey, free updates!
@JayJ I never said anything bad about the game. Again, I will say it's a cool game and a great new IP. I'm just saying these updates aren't "free" at all. They are part of the $60 you paid for the game.
@JayJ I don't need sources. It's obvious because of the amount of content that was released at launch. Also, Springtron was already in the game but came out as a "free update". Either they cut the content or released an unfinished game and are finishing it over the course of its lifespan. If they charged for all this "free" stuff, the game would be scorned for doing so because it launched with so little.
@Ryu_Niiyama My point is that it's not free updates, it's not even extra content, it's just content cut out of the main game. It's even more obvious with the release of Springtron who was already a fighter in the game.. Yes, some companies do what you say like NRS with MKX which has some paid DLC but they release a full game at launch with 24 characters and 3 play-styles each, different costumes, amazing story campaign, tons of unlockables, tons of modes throughout single-player and multi-player. The content they charge you for is truly extra. MvC was a bad example and I was using it to say how little Arms offered at launch. MKX, Injustice 2 are better examples.
@JayJ I never said having over 20 characters is better. I'm saying this isn't "free" content to the first comment which is boasting about how Nintendo releases free content while other devs wouldn't do this. It is content cut out of the full game and locked behind timers. The game is cool and a nice new IP with plenty to do in it but to think that these content updates are "free" and say other devs are not as pro-consumer as Nintendo is just being a fanboy (like the first comment said, which I replied to first). Nintendo always charges for extra content, anything free it cuts out of the main game and puts in as an "update" later on. I personally don't even mind this practice as long as it is a good game because it keeps people engaged and the game relevant over time but it's not proof of them being any more pro-consumer than other companies.
@ekwcll I know, my point is that it is not "free" updates because the launch version of the game was bare bones and that the updates are just cut portions of the finished game being added in later. It's not Nintendo being appreciative that you bought the game. They announced their will be "free" updates for one year after release so it was the plan the whole time. BotW is well worth the $60 without some updates so if the DLC is paid it's justified.
@meleebrawler 10 characters is small for any fighting game priced at $60 even if you can choose the weapons in the game. The weapons you can say are similar to items in Super Smash and this game launched with less characters than the original Smash which had 12 characters. MKX also has 3 different styles for each fighter and had 24 fighters, a full story campaign with cinematics, and multiple single-player and multiplayer modes at launch. There is no justifying this game's paltry amount of characters at launch and it is fanboyism to think the updates are "free". The updates are the rest of the game that you already paid for but was locked behind time.
@JayJ well.. it only included 10 characters at launch. Even if it breaks 20 by the time they stop supporting it, it will still have less characters than the underwhelming MvC Infinity launch. It's safe to say they purposely locked characters behind future updates so they aren't free updates, just things that you paid for but are unlocked by time. Either that or they released an incomplete game for full price, hence the paltry disk space it took up at launch. I like the game but this game is unusable as an example for some of Nintendo's pro-consumer actions.
@countzero yup and also the king's outfit. i was really surprised by both in game. especially because we can enter Mushroom Kingdom through Yoshi's island the first time but can't get to it until later. wth nlife?
@JHDK dude, for real though, you need to stop buying games for the sake of buying games. I mean, heavy hitters yes that's ok, but i doubt you have time for all of those indies if you have all that money to spend. you're just blowing up your backlog, making the current game youre playing less enjoyable because you have so many other games you want to play.
@Malanta yeah there is the ignore button for a reason. the guy posts troll comments on purpose. after people fall for the bait, he edits the text in the comments to make it sound like he wasn't trolling. he then cites his own altered comment to use in an argument based on his original post.
@GC-161 not all ea games are so bad, titanfall 2 offers free dlc, you only buy some colors that are totally unnecessary. The worst company for micro transactions is Activision. Over watch, cod ww2, destiny. While WB has the most expensive DLC and Ubisoft has DLC that is rarely if ever worth it.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE they said xc2 is smaller, but they never said it was less content than xcx though. It's not as much of an mmorpg-like grind as xcx was, that's all they meant. This is not the first time I've seen you measure content value by hours played, that calculation is unreliable. By that calculation games like CoD and Battlefield have the most content ever because those l33t weapon skins take hundreds of hours of gameplay to get. I personally don't consider grinding or doing the same exact task over and over as more content.
@Pupito Its not talking about DLC too much and is accepting it. Its taking about micro transactions in single player games where they can affect the base game, developers can add off-the-charts difficulty spikes or locking necessary items/story points behind tons of grinding only to encourage buying a mystery loot box, even though a player has already paid for the full game. This is going to happen more and more.
@ottospooky Even if they are ready to go, they probably pushed to them to next year because the release schedule is already huge for any Nintendo fan. I'm even worried about Skyrim, Doom and LA Noire not getting great sales because they are all competing with each other and are sandwiched between Mario and XC2.
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Re: Funimation Really Wants Goku To Join The Roster In Super Smash Bros
@thesilverbrick its not a big deal, im just making light of it
Re: Funimation Really Wants Goku To Join The Roster In Super Smash Bros
@thesilverbrick Connections to video games yes, but it didn't start off as a video game character that is why your initial statement is false.
Re: Funimation Really Wants Goku To Join The Roster In Super Smash Bros
Only if they brought in Piccolo as well
Re: Funimation Really Wants Goku To Join The Roster In Super Smash Bros
@thesilverbrick not true, R.O.B. started off as a peripheral, not a game character.
Re: Funimation Really Wants Goku To Join The Roster In Super Smash Bros
@Late there are tons of dragon ball video games
Re: Review: Kirby Star Allies (Switch)
My reasons for not buying it. Looks like the same old game with updated graphics.
Re: The Games Industry Reacts To The White House's Violent Games Showreel
@theberrage agreed, and it's not just humans, it's nature.
Re: Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker Makes The Leap To Switch And 3DS
Another month, another Wii U port.
Re: Super Smash Bros. For Switch Is Coming This Year, And It's Got Inklings
The rest of the direct was disappointing as far as first-party goes. Ports galore on both Switch and 3DS. Sick of this. Only looking forward to Octopath Traveler. Smash is the only exception I'll make to double dip as it is a big multiplayer based game and the $60 will be justified by the amount of content.
Re: Switch Helped Nintendo Grab 22 Percent Of The Games Market In 2017
@redd214 failures are a blessing in disguise. Xbox has become an evolution of what it was when it first released the brand. The only thing that's missing are more games but they are investing into them now. It'll be a different ballgame in 3 years.
Re: Switch Helped Nintendo Grab 22 Percent Of The Games Market In 2017
@Akropolon yeah, I don't even think that's their goal anymore. They are persistent on making sure the box is the best out of all this gen by the end of it. Their strategies are something that will benefit them in the next cycle where they will come in with full backwards compatibility and being able to continue/stream to PC and have the game pass at launch.
Re: Switch Helped Nintendo Grab 22 Percent Of The Games Market In 2017
@Akropolon I think gamers do care but Xbox has had a bumpy road since launch. I couldn't imagine what kind of desert it would be if it still had the same features as it did during launch. Its my go to as well and I also love the streaming to PC, it works like a charm if you have both hooked up via ethernet. I've jumped off the Nintendo bandwagon and onto Xboxs since after I beat Odyssey. I guess there is something about the underdog that I like.
Re: Switch Helped Nintendo Grab 22 Percent Of The Games Market In 2017
Switch and ps4 still suck compared to Xbox when it comes to power, pro consumer features and its amazing backwards compatibility. Nintendo charging more for ports than what they were when they released while I can play my 360 games in 4k for free. Crazy.
Re: Fire Emblem Warriors' Second DLC Pack Will Be Released Next Week
@Reignmaker I’d recommend FE Warriors over Hyrule. I love Zelda and played many games and I only played two FE games but FE universe fits int Warriors games much better. FE is all about strategy and they pulled a bunch of the strategy elements out of that game, character relationships, commanding your squads and how they work together, upgrading heroes and their abilities/skills, upgrading heroes to advanced classes (like Pokémon evolution), the weapon triangle. I just had more fun with that game and actually enjoyed beating unlike Hyrule which felt long and way more like a mindless hack and slash. Also the story was more interesting, HW’s is rubbish story. There are events you can do post-game that recreate scenes from the FE games, it’s a has a nice end-game and you could say the ending of the campaign is where the game actually starts. In HW, the end-game is filled with random maps.
Re: Kimishima Talks Nintendo’s 3DS Strategy Going Forward
3DS is awesome and I hope it stays for another couple of years at least.
Re: Sega Is Getting Ready To Show Us What's Next For Sonic The Hedgehog
Sonic Adventures 3
Re: Game Developers Conference Survey Contains Positive Findings For Nintendo Switch
I don’t think anybody ever bought an Xbox One for the indies and the 1X is Xbox’s shift to being the most powerful console, which was the point of the original Xbox. In that case indies won’t take advantage of the box and it’s not portable so it’s not the best place for them. It would be like buying an elite PC to play Fez. It’s really meant for AAA/AA games and studio-funded “indies”.
Re: Nintendo Confirms ARMS Won't Be Getting Any More Major Content Updates
@rjejr i agree for games like this which locked content you already paid for behind a time gate but for full games like injustice 2, I think that game has plenty of content in the $60 launch tag and rolling out dlc didnt complete the game but instead added onto an already completed game.
Re: Nintendo Confirms It Won't Be Freely Supplying Extra Cardboard Replacements For Labo
@thesilverbrick true, but they are not even that fun. the appeal wears off quick in those games. Lego is literally just crush stuff over and over. Disney is a little better. There are better and cheaper platformers out there than Skylanders. Either way to unlock the full game it could cost you $500+ for each one. It comes down to the memory you had with the title. I think parents and kids will have more fun and learn more with Labo instead of the gimmick of setting a plastic toy on a plastic platform so you can spawn a character for the sake of crushing things and just zoning out. It's way more creative than constantly looking at the screen and can spawn some really cool ideas if it takes off. Imagine a Little Big Planet or Dreams type game where you make a game in the game and create your own real-life contraption to control it. It can be pretty revolutionary for some time and it wouldn't be possible with plastic. Paper allows it to be cost-efficient for the producer, cheaper for the buyer and better for the environment than plastic. I don't argue with you that they are disposable but I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with that because the experiences and memories are what matter. What was the last time somebody pulled Wii Sports out to play at a party or get-together? Games get old and so many get stashed into a basement, attic, closet or shelf never to be used again. It's only the memories of them and experiencing them with others that remain. Also, all the materials that help people be creative are disposable. Clay, paper, ink, etc.
Re: Nintendo Confirms It Won't Be Freely Supplying Extra Cardboard Replacements For Labo
@thesilverbrick all toys are disposable and it’s for kids so of course you won’t see justification but remember than skylanders, Disney infinity and LEGO dimensions came bare-bones at $100 and look how much they are worth now so $80 for this kind of thing, which is more healthy than those for kids, is not a huge ask.
Re: Indie Dev Talks About Having Switch Proposals Turned Down By Nintendo Five Times
That's not true, there are some brand new games that release on eShop from brand new developers.
Re: Hands On: The Future Of Gaming Is Cardboard, Thanks To Nintendo Labo
Labo Super Smash Bros level, items and robot character!
Re: Hands On: The Future Of Gaming Is Cardboard, Thanks To Nintendo Labo
I feel like there will be a Yoshi tie-in because Yoshi's new game is paper-related.
Re: Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze And Hyrule Warriors Are Coming To Switch
@thesilverbrick I feel the same way. Only 2 new games in first half of 2018. That’s no better than Wii U era and they are just asking Wii U supporters pay full price for an upgrade and a sliver of bonus content.
Re: You Can Now Spice Up Your iMessages With Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Stickers
The Witcher stickers are soo much better and are free. They just took some screen grabs and put some text over them, should be free.
Re: Random: These N64 Box Art Covers Have Not Aged Well
@ThanosReXXX exactly, people just want the mascot on the front cover nowadays. these are actually the good and original box covers that we are missing now
Re: Loads Of Rare Zelda Amiibo Are Available Right Now From Amazon Japan
I got mine for $20 or less each for the amazon and gamestop ones and the splatoon 2 ones, free shipping off some ebay account. Not bad but wouldnt pay more than that.
Re: ARMS Version 5.0 Update is Coming This Year, With Another New Character
@JayJ Another interesting thing I just remembered is that it costs around $80 for a second player controller for this game and did so at launch until the non-official controllers came out. But hey, free updates!
Re: ARMS Version 5.0 Update is Coming This Year, With Another New Character
@JayJ I never said anything bad about the game. Again, I will say it's a cool game and a great new IP. I'm just saying these updates aren't "free" at all. They are part of the $60 you paid for the game.
Re: ARMS Version 5.0 Update is Coming This Year, With Another New Character
@JayJ I don't need sources. It's obvious because of the amount of content that was released at launch. Also, Springtron was already in the game but came out as a "free update". Either they cut the content or released an unfinished game and are finishing it over the course of its lifespan. If they charged for all this "free" stuff, the game would be scorned for doing so because it launched with so little.
Re: ARMS Version 5.0 Update is Coming This Year, With Another New Character
@Ryu_Niiyama My point is that it's not free updates, it's not even extra content, it's just content cut out of the main game. It's even more obvious with the release of Springtron who was already a fighter in the game.. Yes, some companies do what you say like NRS with MKX which has some paid DLC but they release a full game at launch with 24 characters and 3 play-styles each, different costumes, amazing story campaign, tons of unlockables, tons of modes throughout single-player and multi-player. The content they charge you for is truly extra. MvC was a bad example and I was using it to say how little Arms offered at launch. MKX, Injustice 2 are better examples.
Re: ARMS Version 5.0 Update is Coming This Year, With Another New Character
@JayJ I never said having over 20 characters is better. I'm saying this isn't "free" content to the first comment which is boasting about how Nintendo releases free content while other devs wouldn't do this. It is content cut out of the full game and locked behind timers. The game is cool and a nice new IP with plenty to do in it but to think that these content updates are "free" and say other devs are not as pro-consumer as Nintendo is just being a fanboy (like the first comment said, which I replied to first). Nintendo always charges for extra content, anything free it cuts out of the main game and puts in as an "update" later on. I personally don't even mind this practice as long as it is a good game because it keeps people engaged and the game relevant over time but it's not proof of them being any more pro-consumer than other companies.
Re: ARMS Version 5.0 Update is Coming This Year, With Another New Character
@ekwcll I know, my point is that it is not "free" updates because the launch version of the game was bare bones and that the updates are just cut portions of the finished game being added in later. It's not Nintendo being appreciative that you bought the game. They announced their will be "free" updates for one year after release so it was the plan the whole time. BotW is well worth the $60 without some updates so if the DLC is paid it's justified.
Re: ARMS Version 5.0 Update is Coming This Year, With Another New Character
@meleebrawler 10 characters is small for any fighting game priced at $60 even if you can choose the weapons in the game. The weapons you can say are similar to items in Super Smash and this game launched with less characters than the original Smash which had 12 characters. MKX also has 3 different styles for each fighter and had 24 fighters, a full story campaign with cinematics, and multiple single-player and multiplayer modes at launch. There is no justifying this game's paltry amount of characters at launch and it is fanboyism to think the updates are "free". The updates are the rest of the game that you already paid for but was locked behind time.
Re: ARMS Version 5.0 Update is Coming This Year, With Another New Character
@JayJ well.. it only included 10 characters at launch. Even if it breaks 20 by the time they stop supporting it, it will still have less characters than the underwhelming MvC Infinity launch. It's safe to say they purposely locked characters behind future updates so they aren't free updates, just things that you paid for but are unlocked by time. Either that or they released an incomplete game for full price, hence the paltry disk space it took up at launch. I like the game but this game is unusable as an example for some of Nintendo's pro-consumer actions.
Re: Review: Yooka-Laylee (Switch eShop)
ill get this on a cartridge.
Re: Guide: Super Mario Odyssey: Mushroom Kingdom Power Moon Locations And Walkthrough
@countzero yup and also the king's outfit. i was really surprised by both in game. especially because we can enter Mushroom Kingdom through Yoshi's island the first time but can't get to it until later. wth nlife?
Re: Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection Rumbles Onto Switch May 2018
@Galactus_33 yeah MVC 1 and 2 on a cartridge with some extra content would be an easy buy.
Re: Switch and Nintendo Systems Dominated US Hardware Sales in October
@JHDK dude, for real though, you need to stop buying games for the sake of buying games. I mean, heavy hitters yes that's ok, but i doubt you have time for all of those indies if you have all that money to spend. you're just blowing up your backlog, making the current game youre playing less enjoyable because you have so many other games you want to play.
Re: Music: Metroid, Kid Icarus And Earthbound Composer Has Released His First Album
great track/video, talented guy. I would buy but cant find an english site to get it from
Re: Out Today: L.A. Noire and Rocket League Lead the Way in Fresh Switch eShop Releases
@Hyrule yup, now we just need more avatar choices for our switch profile. more... MORE!!
Re: Out Today: L.A. Noire and Rocket League Lead the Way in Fresh Switch eShop Releases
@Malanta yeah there is the ignore button for a reason. the guy posts troll comments on purpose. after people fall for the bait, he edits the text in the comments to make it sound like he wasn't trolling. he then cites his own altered comment to use in an argument based on his original post.
Re: Out Today: L.A. Noire and Rocket League Lead the Way in Fresh Switch eShop Releases
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Lego Marvel Super Heroes 2 is a brand new game.
Re: Sonic Forces on Switch Has Solid UK Launch as DOOM Moves Up the Charts
Sucks that great third party support ( doom, skyrim, la noire ) are smack in the middle of large Nintendo releases ( odyssey, xc2, emblem warriors )
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Has Embraced DLC, But Must Resist The Worst Industry Norms
@GC-161 not all ea games are so bad, titanfall 2 offers free dlc, you only buy some colors that are totally unnecessary. The worst company for micro transactions is Activision. Over watch, cod ww2, destiny. While WB has the most expensive DLC and Ubisoft has DLC that is rarely if ever worth it.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Has Embraced DLC, But Must Resist The Worst Industry Norms
@SLIGEACH_EIRE they said xc2 is smaller, but they never said it was less content than xcx though. It's not as much of an mmorpg-like grind as xcx was, that's all they meant. This is not the first time I've seen you measure content value by hours played, that calculation is unreliable. By that calculation games like CoD and Battlefield have the most content ever because those l33t weapon skins take hundreds of hours of gameplay to get. I personally don't consider grinding or doing the same exact task over and over as more content.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Has Embraced DLC, But Must Resist The Worst Industry Norms
@Pupito Its not talking about DLC too much and is accepting it. Its taking about micro transactions in single player games where they can affect the base game, developers can add off-the-charts difficulty spikes or locking necessary items/story points behind tons of grinding only to encourage buying a mystery loot box, even though a player has already paid for the full game. This is going to happen more and more.
Re: Nintendo's Updated Switch and 3DS Infographic Shows Off Winter Line-Up
@ottospooky Even if they are ready to go, they probably pushed to them to next year because the release schedule is already huge for any Nintendo fan. I'm even worried about Skyrim, Doom and LA Noire not getting great sales because they are all competing with each other and are sandwiched between Mario and XC2.
Re: Nintendo's Updated Switch and 3DS Infographic Shows Off Winter Line-Up
@SLIGEACH_EIRE 2017 looked pretty bare boned as well back at the end of 2016.
Re: Poll: Which is the Best Super Mario Game?
i voted sunshine.