Sonic Forces on Switch Has Solid UK Launch as DOOM Moves Up the Charts

The fact the Switch version of Sonic beat the Xbox One is a good sign for Nintendo's system's momentum.

As for Doom, well, it's a decent result, I guess, but given that it's an old game by now I wasn't exactly expecting for it to lit the charts on fire. I do hope Skyrim does better, though.

This week's UK sales charts in full.

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I'm looking forward to seeing people try to spin something positive out of those DOOM Switch figures. For those who don't know, it sold ~3,500 copies, which means they sold it to about 1% of Switch owners in the UK.

Sonic Forces on Switch sold nearly as much as the PS4 despite being terrible and having a smaller userbase. But it goes to show, again, that there's a big SEGA fanbase who like Nintendo too.

Sonic forces will have legs no doubt. Will shift copies over Christmas

Wasn't mentioned but well done to MS on the successful UK launch of xbox one X.

Got off to a great start.

doom at 3 on Eshop charts in the uk right now

I would imagine Nintendo and Bethesda would still be pleased all things considering with DOOM. So I am happy with the results. Will be interesting to see international sales for the game.

These numbers are all a little meaningless without the eshop data included.

There's no great way to spin those DOOM figures, though I certainly didn't even see any copies on the Switch shelves in Sainsbury's this morning. However, I did see Sonic Forces and, weirdly, NBA2K (basketball is very much a minority sport in the UK) but not Fifa. Suggests the distribution of some of these titles leaves much to be desired.

@FragRed Don't think these results are that pleasing really. Not at all.

Amazon UK ran out of stock for Doom so might just be the game wasn't stocked very highly. Doom is doing well on the eshop so I think it might be a decent success for Bethesda.

I'm loving the game so far!

@NoxAeturnus You mean where it's €10 more expensive for a digital code, as opposed to owning it, lending it or selling it on when you're finished if you so choose?

Those sale figures include Irish buyers who buy online, maybe we should subtract them as well while we're at it.

First Brexit, then this: Sonic Forces ahead of Super Mario Odyssey.

We (gamers in the UK) should hang our collective heads in shame.

I know there's a fondness for physical media in this community, but many Switch users must be buying digitally. I feel that those tiny game cards are not all that comfortable to swap and store. I worry about the kids losing them.
Also, with DOOM given the price point I expect the sales figures for the South African eShop to be unexpectedly buoyant...

As already stated can only deduce so much from the information given. With Christmas round the corner some buyers like myself are holding off. I myself wanted to get Doom but an assortment of lack of stock and expensive run ups buying Christmas presents meant I had to delay it.

Wish we had at least some values like the Japanese updates.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE

What has your comment go to do with what NoxAeturnus said?! They are just saying digital sales should also be featured otherwise we aren't getting the full picture.

They made no comments regarding disadvantages of buying digitally did they?

@electrolite77 same as switch so 80k

As for doom, not great. Shipments will have been low so I wouldn't expect a sale any time soon.

Also UK isnt representative of WW numbers. Arms debut was weak here and that sold 1.35m.

Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 didn't make a huge impression and sold over 400,000 worldwide.

@Blister people like myself have gone all digital so that I can have all my games with me at all times.

Incredible that Mario Kart 7, NSMB2 and SM3DL are still in the top 40.

These numbers definitely aren't ideal, but let's remember that the UK charts aren't the full picture as there's still the eshop and the rest of the world to take account of. Let's try and remain hopeful, shall we?

Lets not forget Sonic Forces reduced price. Had to have helped sales

@SLIGEACH_EIRE The benefits of physical versus digital are moot to my argument. You can't get an accurate comparison of sales if you're only considering only one part of the market. Eshop sales are big enough to create a considerable margin of error.

I'd love to see the eshop figures as Doom is several places above Sonic (despite a later release) on the eshop and in terms of full retail games is behind only Mario. Also worth noting is that it did outsell Sonic on the Xbox and Amazon didn't have any stock of Doom over the weekend and still says 1-2 days before it has any. I do wonder if that Eurogamer video swayed some people or if the high price tag compared to the other versions have had some influence and let's not pretend that many recent Bethesda titles have struggled for sales on all formats for some reason.

It's good to see Sonic Forces close to the PS4 version and above the Xbox edition though whatever you may think of the game.

Still this is an important couple of months for 3rd party games on Switch so it'll be interesting to see what these games sell over the entire period and whether that will convince others to jump on board.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE I am a Nintendo fan that likes Sonic. I don't care for their other IP, besides Monkey Ball.

It amazes me that 2011 3ds games manage to still hang on the top 40, but recent 3ds releases can’t....

@electrolite77 I'm not concerned with Doom's success or failure here. I'm simply stating that we don't have a full picture for comparison without considering digital sales of all the games mentioned.

Are the total sales figures ever released besides in Nintendos quarterly results (for first party games selling > 1M)?

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Source on numbers?

@Menchi187 tales from his A@@

@JamesR Same with myself, except for the Breath of the Wild cart wedged in the slot.

If the Switch wasn't so expensive, I'd have one and would have bought DOOM without a doubt. Also Skyrim. But alas I don't have one. Hopefully these games are still available physically next year when/if the Switch ever gets a price drop

@SBandy The digital sales numbers aren't significant.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE

To you. Doom reached third on the UK eshop. I'd say that is somewhat significant.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE @SBandy I did the maths with Nintendo's latest results. They seem to be between 10-15% of figures for retail games.

I'm sure there's variation. For example, I believe Splatoon 2 has a higher percentage of downloads.

I suspect Doom did better than others on download based on: the position on the eShop, the pre-loaded feature, the fact that the cart would need a download for multilayer and the 18 certificate rules the game being bough for children.

I tried out sonic and I bought Doom. Sonic is garbage really, and doom is actually a very well made game ! So yeah probably is the age rating, cause doom is 50x better

@SBandy Rubbish. That means nothing. All it says is that it came 3rd in an insignificant chart.

Here's the Wii U UK chart for the week.

Nobody cares though because it's not really relevant and the sales aren't significant.

Doom's lack of sales couldn't be because it was top retail price, and can be gotten for less than 1/4 that on other consoles for months?

Reason I am holding my purchase of Doom is its high price of a game I have already completed before. When it eventually goes on sale am sure those numbers will pick right up.

Btw did Doom on Switch get all the free DLC?

@XenoShaun yes, all DLC included.

@JamesR Am glad to hear that. I didn't recall reading anything about it so was concerned. Old habits with Nintendo releases and that.

I'm hoping Doom sticks around and produces some steady numbers. That being said, it makes me wonder about Mature titles on the Switch. Unless it's an indie title, probably a risk with this user base unfortunately.

Doom's numbers are about what I expected for a year-old shooter on Switch in the UK.

Sonic Forces did all right despite being a thoroughly mediocre title.

@Reignmaker it really depends on how well it does in the us.

I can really only speak from my own experience, but I'm sure that I'm not alone:

I'm excited to pick up Doom on Switch, but I still have unfinished business with Mario Odyssey (it's only two weeks old!). I am sitting at 442 power moons, and I'm trying to drain every last drop of fun out of the game before I pick up my next game (in this case, it's Doom). I'm sure that other Switch owners who are interested but haven't taken the plunge yet are in the same boat.

I'll probably be picking it up in time for Thanksgiving.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE you don’t get to say digital sales are insignificant without providing numbers and a source. We are going by the evidence available, you are sourcing nothing. The eshop charts display the best selling games from the last 2 weeks, a time period that goes right back to 2-3 days after Odyssey launched. For a game to get to number 3 in only a few days is very, very significant considering how fast switch software sells in general.

@MsgBoardGamer I think it will do significantly better in the us.

@PorllM ssshhh, don't ruin his little narrative, don't you know he can go and stealthily edit his posts to add a cute little picture and alter the words to prove he was right? As for sources, with him it's always tales from his behind, just like that 3000 number he's throwing around

@gortsi that irush dude even claimed namco were lying when they said dragon ball had sold out its initial shipments when week 1 numbers showed up in Japan. Yeah he pushed the agenda it sold badly and namco were putting on a brave face.

I really wish people wouldn’t buy Sonic Forces. Stop encouraging Sega to release garbage games. If we vote with our wallets, maybe next time around they’ll put some effort into the series.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE you can't say the eshop charts is insignificant, that's just nonsense. Digital sales are becoming increasingly important for the industry and I seem to remember reading that Mario's own debut sales had a very large number as digital. Now I'm not saying it's going to dramatically increase its overall sales but clearly they're not insignificant for a games overall success anymore

@kobashi100 Of course he did mate, that's his whole shtick, spreading misinformation and riling people up because he's got nothing better to do. Rule of thumb is, whatever he says, believe the opposite. Even if it's not entirely true, it's closer to the truth than any garbage he spouts on any given day (which he stealthily edits afterwards 99% of the time).

@MsgBoardGamer I get what you saying, have to remember though it's a new market on switch. It's all about building and viable FPS audience on nintendo hardware

I take it the weight given here to the piddly arsed tiny UK market is because the site is based there? This isn't excusing the Doom sales or the rest, but I think a bigger picture is needed from the actual larger markets that dominate most the sales being accounted and that's for any game on any platform. No matter where the game may fall on some sliding scale against others, in the end profit is all that drives any cares. If what they put into it is pulled back out and a tidy sum after that's how you see more things happen.

@carlos82 Last I read that eshop for Nintendo covers around 40% of their total game sales of items that end up in physical packaging too. So yes it's not something that should be blown off to make broad comments about to rabble rouse people.

@MsgBoardGamer however doom doesn’t need to sell as much as FIFA to be considered good enough. Nintendo published Doom so they payed for the carts ect.

@gortsi "Rule of thumb is, whatever he says, believe the opposite. Even if it's not entirely true, it's closer to the truth than any garbage he spouts on any given day (which he stealthily edits afterwards 99% of the time)."

I haven't laughed that hard in awhile, thanks for that.

@PorllM Right back at you. "You don’t get to say digital sales AREN'T insignificant without providing numbers and a source."

@gortsi Oh don't worry I'm well aware of his trolling history haha. I just tend to ask for sources and be polite instead of just insulting, it encourages them to talk in the same manner, either that or stumps them entirely. It's a shame he supplies NL with so many news stories, means he will probably never be banned despite filling many many comment sections with ignorant opinions, unnecessary negativity, and outright falsehoods over recent months.

I think its too early to spout negative about DOOM considering these are just the UK charts and the game appears to be doing relatively well in the eshop at the moment

@PorllM Yeah I can't be polite anymore, not after 2 years of the same thing every day. You might want to reply with this link to the clown (since he can't see my replies): http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-11-02-the-uk-console-game-sales-now-30-45-percent-digital
That's right, 30 to 45 percent depending on the title. That should be enough to shut him up for about 5 seconds.

@Nintendoforlife You're welcome. There will be more laughs coming up!

Erm...hands up who ordered from Nintendo's official store for the T-shirt? Thought so...because I think their sales are not included.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Well we know digital sales are a fair chunk of overall sales, even if only 15-20% (the most conservative you can possibly be and to suggest it could be lower is idiocy). We also know that is a growing percentage as physical sales are becoming less and less relevant in the industry as a whole. We also know game developers and publishers get a higher profit from digital sales due to less costs involved. That much is undeniable and does not need sourcing, but I don't think you'd disagree with any of that anyway.

The reason I haven't needed any sources for what I've said is because all I've said is "digital sales are significant and need to be taken into account". Even if they have sold way less than I think, this is still undeniably the case.

I'm not making a blanket "physical sales are next to nothing and digital sales are not enough to take into consideration" statement like you. I'm not making a statement that goes against the entirety of the industry's media and news like you. Therefore the onus is on you to provide something to back up your, frankly impossible claims. Once again I'm not claiming that digital sales are huge or industry changing, just that they're significant.

EDIT: never mind, I typed all this for no reason, @gortsi just proved you a liar with one link : http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-11-02-the-uk-console-game-sales-now-30-45-percent-digital

@tanookisuit at last somebody with some common sense, it's a shame we don't get any actual figures because Doom breezed past Sonic on the eshop and Skyrim is already featuring on the charts.

I appreciate the game won't be for everyone but I must say I have seen no negative comments from people who actually bought it, just from those who watched a certain video and at least one person who doesn't even own the system, whilst those of us who do have it are having enormous fun.

I think the time to judge these 3rd parties will be in a month or so after the inevitable black Friday and Christmas sales and hopefully we'll get some word on what the developers sales projections are

@MsgBoardGamer If you can prove to me (which you can't) that the physical sales were 3000 then yeah, 2900. Unless your source for that number is the Irish clown, then you can take that number and throw it straight into the bin where it came from. Also, I didn't know sales in the UK determined sales for the other 50 countries the game is being sold. Is that a recent thing? UK=the world now?

@MsgBoardGamer "So add another 2,900 U.K. digital sales, then? That's...still not a great showing." Well .....

1. The argument was over whether digital sales would make a significant difference, not whether or not it sold well. Considering that would be almost double, it's absolutely significant. However:

2. Sligeach did not source his 3,500 number and it's frankly impossible and would make it the slowest selling AAA switch game by a huge margin

3. Even if that number is correct it would only account for the UK which is Nintendo's weakest territory and gaming's in general. Without Japan and the US those numbers are meaningless.

4. In regards to Doom's success, until it's been out for more than a couple days and we get sales numbers for more than one region, no one has the right to comment in either direction.

Doom did decently considering it's only a tenner on other consoles and it's an old game.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE

I care so you are wrong. Again.

Yes the Doom numbers aren't out of this world, but this is UK only, How about the USA and Japan numbers, and the eShop so there is very little you can extrapolate these numbers other than people aren't really buying physical too much in the UK. I am sure Doom is selling well in the USA. Also the pre-purchase for Skyrim has been in the best selling category for a little bit now so I think that will sell really well especially because of the BOTW tie ins

@MsgBoardGamer I say the install base is still to small for that conclusion.

@MsgBoardGamer Yeah I got that, and my post was a GamesIndustry article with information from Chart Track, not an extrapolation from ResetEra that might or might not be correct. I'm sorry, we had the exact same amount of misinformation previously with other games where a rumour from GAF spread like a tumor here and ended up being spectacularly wrong, so I'd rather trust the companies (publishers or sales trackers) themselves when it comes to numbers rather than message board randoms

Doom only had one day of sales in this period, Sonic Forces had 4 days.

Doom Switch is being panned all around for being the worst looking (and performing) version so it shouldn't come as a surprise that it doesn't sell like hotcakes. It's a wonderful game that still looks amazing on Switch, it's a technical achievement but all critics comment on is how it's the worst looking version and that unless wanting to absolutely play it on the go, players should look elsewhere sooooo... it should not come as a surprise that a good fraction of the potential audience would not care to pick it up.

Goes to show that UK doesn't deserve Doom. The Switch is going to be like the PS2 this gen, a weaker system but will have higher end support, I just wish third party dev would make original titles for it rather than complaining about releasing ports. C'mon I don't want a port of Resident Evil 7 for the Switch but a Resident Evil Revelations 3 that took place between RE6 & RE7 would be nice. Also I don't want a Monster Hunter World or Monster Hunter XX port for Switch, give me the true main game Monster Hunter 5. I also don't want Sonic Forces, just give me a Sonic Adventure 3, Sonic Colors 2, or a Sonic Advance 4. I hate how devs kept thinking that ports would sell on Switch, it doesn't. If they already came out on other systems the fans will shun down on the Switch version. You want your games to sell on Switch, don't make ports.

In order to know whether the Doom sales beat expectations, surely we need to know (a) the sales and (b) the expectations. To me, it seems we have neither.

@MsgBoardGamer we are also coming off a generation where bayonetta sold as much on the wiiu as the previous title did on the ps3

@MsgBoardGamer does this include global sales?

@MsgBoardGamer Like I said, I don't know if it's bogus or not. What I do know is that Xenoverse 2 sold even worse in the UK and according to Bandai Namco themselves (not a random analyst), it has so far shipped 400000 in less than two months, and that's being sold a) at full price, b) without the DLC (unlike DOOM) included! The original point lots of people made before the clown derailed the thread yet again was this: even if it did badly in the UK, where it's been on sale for 3 days ffs, this does not mean anything for the rest of the world. People use the same tired argument for games like FIFA 18, forgetting that sports games stay in the top 10 in most countries throughout the year until the week before the new iteration comes out (and sometimes even after that). Will we ever stop judging sales of games after they 've been in the market for less than a week? That'd be great

@JamesR
A third thing we all need to know is the eshop sales figures.
Until these 'official' figures include eshop sales then these figures are always going to be meaningless.
Also, as we are in the run-up to Xmas, no-one should be paying much attention to games sales until the end of December/beginning of January. Both Doom and Skyrim are on my Xmas list, no doubt many others too.

@MsgBoardGamer
I presume you don't mean Daniel Ahmed the football coach?
Ahmad is an analyst for China/Asia, a 'credible' one who was banned from NeoGaf?
Anyone today can claim to be an industry expert, I've been playing for 30 years, surely I must be one by now!

@ThumperUK true. Look at the long tail of many Nintendo games. I think Doom will hang around for a long time to come.

Another Fail with Doom. Not even in the top 50 on Amazon USA.

Hopefully now they will understand most of us not buying $60 dollars rehashed games.

Once DOOM hits the 29.99 bargain bin it will sell more. FIFA will be 29.99 for Black Friday on Switch I bet it will clean out

Great for Sonic Forces. Got it on Switch and it is awesome on the format. Not perfect but fun on the go.

@Agramonte
It was at #20-30 the entire week prior to release, and #30-50 for about a month prior, and hung out at around #80 along with Xenoblade 2 since its announcement before that

It only started dropping the weekend after its release. Which makes sense.

And alot of people don't see ports as "rehashed games". Switch wasn't out when DOOM released. It only makes sense to port it so we can enjoy it too. Rise of the Tomb Raider came to PS4 A year after release, and FFXV will come to PC a year after release. As long as all DLC is included, what's the problem.

@MsgBoardGamer I'm perfectly chilled, no need to be worried. Let me make an armchair analysis while we're at it too: "Doom also likely has a much stronger Western market. It's also a game that fits right into the Switch's install base demographics." See? I can make up stuff too! Or am I, considering that by Nintendo's own numbers their core base in the US is people (90% males) aged 18 and above (that's 63% of the total), latest estimation in May. The kiddie demographics myth might be popular in message boards, but in the real world the reality is much different. oh and your boy Ahmad was a member of the disgraced website for a veerry long time, so let's not take moral high ground here

I was in GAME yesterday and they didn't have any DOOM for Switch. If they sell all they ship to retail they will be happy, and we know for sure eShop sales are more significant for Nintendo now than ever before, that is a fact. I will buy DOOM when I get my own Switch. DOOM will be fine on Nintendo Switch. Nintendo Switch also has its own Top40 chart for retail games, GFK never gave anything other than a Top20 for Wii U. Nintendo and the Switch are doing just fine in the UK and I'm happy to see it.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Yep, total fail and the apologist will come out in droves.

Amazing for Sonic. Not perfect - but has fun moments and fits the switch like a glove.

Why didn't someone tell me about that booody ignore thing before. Now I don't have to read his comments anymore. 😂

It is starting to get close to Christmas too. Maybe people are waiting to Christmas. Atleast I am with Sonic. Not interested in Doom myself.

Even if sales turns out less than they wanted, its still just one game. Others seems to do well to my knowledge.

@MartyFlanMJFan
Also noticing not much support in GAME stores; mind you the few they are selling seem to be more expensive than the RRP (or a tenner more than Amazon!). In the South, Brighton GAME are completely useless. Interestingly though their Haywards Heath branch is like a different retailer, really knowledgeable and helpful.....no doubt if H/O find out then they'll be marked for closure!

@electrolite77 Do you reckon all these will get a single print run then? Same thing happened with certain third party Wii U games (Sniper Elite, NFS) and they're almost impossible to find new these days (at least in the UK) unless you want to pay exorbitant prices.

@MsgBoardGamer I agree with that. All I'm saying is wait before we make any blanket statements regarding the games' sales. Remember when you said there's no proof NBA 2K18 sold well on the Switch? Well, there's still no proof I guess, we only know it's sold 6 million across 5 consoles and PC, but 2K did indicate in their earnings call that they're perfectly satisfied so far, and consider that was without the game even being sold physically for about a month after its digital release. Xenoverse also didn't sell that well in Japan either but it's doing fine globally. The same might or might not be the case with DOOM, it remains to be seen.

@JaxonH Wait, so OKAMI HD is not a rehashed game on PS4? There is a reason why it is only 19.99. Yes, just like NIOH on PC that just came out, and with a 49.99 price tag. That most store did not honor and sold it for 39.99 on pre-order. If they try to sell FFXV at 60 dollars on PC it will fail. Or it will be "$60" in name only - and SE will discount it by side channels.

Why are so many people looking to put a negative spin on things?

It seems Doom has sold a lot of it's physical allocation and placed higher on the uk eshop then Sonic Forces did which is doing better than it at retail. So from that I gather Doom would have ranked higher than Sonic if it had the same time on market and had more stock to actually sell.

Apart from that.....there are so many people on a Nintendo website seemingly wishing for the failure of any and all Nintendo systems and games on those systems, and coming down on anyone with even a bit of positivity. It is frankly pathetic and the people involved are pathetic. Probably don't even play games the miserable sods.

@MsgBoardGamer
Hmm, you seem to be knowledgeable in 'Eastern' markets, your name wouldn't be Daniel by any chance would it? Surely some mistake!

@Agramonte
Okami is from the PS2 era and already remastered once last gen. That's a far cry from a current gen release being ported 9-12 months later.

Even Skyrim Remaster on PS4, X1, PC did fantastic at full price. As did Tomb Raider. As will Final Fantasy.

And if even PC discounts are only $10 off, a platform with much more aggressive pricing, then don't expect anything for consoles unless it's 1-2 generations old

@JamesR
Doom Switch's retail sales were ~3500.

We don't know expectations, though I doubt they were high, especially coming from a publisher whose recent PS4/XBO games have all underperformed (Dishonored 2, Prey, The Evil Within 2, Wolfenstein 2).

If Doom sales on Switch weren't up to par, it would continue an unfortunate trend for Bethesda's game sales rather than being some extreme and unprecedented underperformance.

@MsgBoardGamer Well they didn't specify numbers for any platform, so make of that what you will, plus the Switch version had issues with the extra download, 5GB per save file pre-patch, etc etc. If 2K19 appears digitally and physically date and day with the other platforms and has the same features in terms of parity I'm sure it will sell even better.

Edit: Just saw your edit. Like I said before, I don't know, the number might as well be right, or it might not. In the grand scheme of things, it's solely the physical number of copies sold in just one country. No one makes conclusive sales analysis based on that little data, and especially after a product has been on sale for just two days, like Doom was. The biggest shopping season of the year is coming up in Western markets, and there's a reason many third parties chose to put their games out in November. You'd also think they don't expect to make all their sales in a day or two.

@electrolite77 see I disagree. I think they will realize they pricing themselves out. Look at Xenovers 2. They did 49.99 - feature complete with the full story of the first game as free DLC. They moved 400K.

If you go to amazon you can see that there is not much price difference between the Xenoverse versions. Switch $44, PS4 $45, XOne 39. I think in that matchup the Switch can compete.

If it is an old game already heavily discounted they need to give a small discount - it is what people expect. If they see 19.99, 19.99 and $60... they will wait for a sale. That is what happened with Lego Undercover at $60.

All known retailers here in germany, even gamestop didn´t have a single piece of doom for the switch on launchdaymin my city. One of the retailers got the info that the ordered doom games should arrive between monday and wednesday. The delay is due to the holidays in big parts of central europe on the 31st of Oct and 1st of Nov and that the retailers have been ordering too late to secure doom for launchdate. So doom couldn´t sell better physical copies for that reason in it´s launchweek.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Sonic Forces sales is indeed like weaving straw into gold, but for all the effort put into the DOOM port, isn't that one getting lower sales at retail (but better sales for digital) more like converting gold into straw?

@electrolite77 That was a reply to "Switch wasn't out when DOOM released" and by that logic a 12 year old game would not be a rehashed on any current consoles either.

@MsgBoardGamer Agree 100%, 300k would be amazing. It'll also be interesting to see the Black Friday sales, particularly in the US. Best Buy has already announced that many Switch games will be discounted: Minecraft Story for 15$, Disgaea 5, Rayman, Xenoverse 2 and Lego Worlds for 20, Bomberman, Sonic Forces and 1-2 Switch for 25, and even FIFA and Puyo Puyo for 30 bucks. Considering that Amazon and others will probably price-match these and possibly other retailers as well, I expect a very good month for third parties overall.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE You seem not to understand what people are actually saying. When @SBandy @PorllM and @NoxAeturnus say the eShop numbers are significant, they aren't saying that they're large, they're saying that they matter, whatever the size. When you say they're insignificant, however, you are making a positive assertion of their size, namely zero or close to zero. Thus, the onus is on you, the one making the positive assertion, to provide evidence, not them. That's basic argumentation.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Such a negative one ain't we. And all because you haven't got a Switch yet because you refuse to let your Wii U die. Get over it.

@PorllM
UK is nintendo's weakest territory. Man u don't have a clue. Switch sold 80 thousand at launch in UK and only 2 thousand in Greece, official numbers from nintendo. Apart from France and Germany the UK is nintendo's 3rd best market in EU. It always has been.

@kbshadow My Wii U isn't dead, it may be discontinued but that doesn't change the quality of the games. I've enough to play on it to last for years. I've Wii and Gamecube games still to play. Buying a Switch would only add to the backlog and besides there's only really Super Mario Odyssey that for me I'm missing out on.

@WhistleFish i should have said weakest major territory. I know other countries have less sales but they have less sales overall, UK is very anti Nintendo compared to US, Japan, all the major markets. It has (or did until recently) a very pro Xbox market

@subpopz

Unfortunately, no, digital sales aren't tracked by VgChartz etc. I agree with you 100% though, a poor representation indeed.

@darthstuey I'm crying inside the university library... 😂😂

@PorllM
It's more pro Sony but xbox ain't far behind. Tbh Japan and USA are the pillars for Nintendo and the switch, France, Germany and UK are the roof on top of those pillars and rest of the world is the furniture inside the house that Nintendo built, something like that anyway. It will be Japan and USA that drives major sales for switch, Europe is Sony territory, USA is a free-for-all and Japan is pretty much Nintendo land with a decent splash of sony

Sucks that great third party support ( doom, skyrim, la noire ) are smack in the middle of large Nintendo releases ( odyssey, xc2, emblem warriors )

Sonic forces 27.99 from argos new game release. ( i bought )

Doom. A port of a year old game at least 39.99 and it requires an sd memory card say 9.99

This is why sonic sold better.

Why should we care about UK charts. Give us the US ones
UK is a dead market for Nintendo

@MsgBoardGamer I wouldn't say the majority of posters around here despise Sonic Forces. I've seen some commenters voicing that they liked the game, but definitely noting problems with it. If anything, I'd say commenters here are more apathetic then reluctant.

@arpaktiko
Maybe because NL is a UK site,
What kind of comment was that

Nintendo fans really should support Bethesda and buy Doom. I know it's been out a year now, but it shouldn't matter when Street fighter 2 Turbo sold well for the Switch, even though it's a 20+ year old port. A trashy, overpriced port at that. Bethesda did a good job on Doom for Switch, unlike Crapcom. I bought the Switch with Doom over Mario Odyssey, just to show some love for a company that shows love for Nintendo, and because Doom is a fantastic game. I'm a rare breed Nintendo fan, but tbh, I think most Nintendo fans are kinda selfish and only think short term. It's takes 2-3 years or more to make a decent game, especially the scope of Odyssey, so it will be impossible for Nintendo to be the only major developer, other then indies, making games for their systems. Like huge droughts for the Wii U.

I’m surprised it did relatively well, since reviews panned Sonic Forces, and I though the Switch version would be the worst selling one since it was so criticized by its graphics.
Well, Sonic has always done relatively well in the UK.

@electrolite77 But that was my point - it has been for the past 8 months. Only Nintendo can sell an old port for $60 dollars. Namco (xenoverse2, One Piece) shows that you can have success on the Switch with other price points (and a good port).

https://www.destructoid.com/bandai-namco-to-increase-switch-support-in-2018-including-three-exclusive-games-471406.phtml

They didn't try to sell any of their old games at $60 - they had a discount plus DLC. Now they made some money they can make a NEW game and sell that at full price.

@thesilverbrick It's actually quite a good game. The problem is reviewers play through the game once when it's meant to be a game that's built around the concept of being replayed. Then they give it a average score not understanding this, and everyone jumps on board and follows along. In the end gamers miss out a good game and the developer loses out. The Famitsu scores are a more accurate reflection of the games quality.

@Nomad I’m glad you found reasons to like the game, but everything I’ve seen tells me this game is a joke. The linearity, the ease of difficulty, broken design, etc. are all a repetition of everything wrong with modern 3D Sonic. The reviews are spot on.

Monopoly sold better then Sonic forces on the New Zealand éshop

There are still sonic fans in the world? Now that is loyalty.

@thesilverbrick I'm not the only one who found reason to like the game. Like I said, the Famitsu reviewers gave the game 9,9,9,8 out of 10 from their four man review. If you read those reviews you'll see they actually mention the concept of replay. Something western reviewers don't seem to get.
So who's reviews are spot on then, East or West?

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Those are just physical copies.

Who is still buying physical these days? Not many!

Here in Norway I pay over 10 dollars less on the eShop than buying a physical copy! So why would I buy physical?
It's pretty much the same on the PS4 with a lot of titles, where I pay less on the PSStore than physical.

I haven't bought a physical copy of a game in years!

Doom is currently doing really well in the Switch eShop charts, so we will see how long it will stay there.

@SBandy well I bought my copy of DOOM but its the US physical version as been on holiday in Orlando. So my contribution hasn't helped the UK charts unfortunately 🙄😆

@SLIGEACH_EIRE My Wii U isn't dead, it may be discontinued but that doesn't change the quality of the games. I've enough to play on it to last for years. I've Wii and Gamecube games still to play. Buying a Switch would only add to the backlog and besides there's only really Super Mario Odyssey that for me I'm missing out on.

Well there's your answer answer then. Play those games instead and be happy, and stop continuously slagging off a console and everything about it when you don't even own the damn thing.

Why even bother following the Switch daily to see how it's doing? Come back in a year or two when things might be to your liking.

So wait...

To sum up, we're making long term predictions of all third party success on Nintendo based on a single day's sales of one year old port in a weak market? Look, I know the Wii-U burn is strong here, but this is ridiculous. There's not enough data yet (globally or digitally) to make any reasonable conjectures, so there's nothing to discuss except wild fantasy. This whole conversation is moot.

@Nomad I understand the concept of replay. Games like Pikmin and Starfox are built around it and they do it well. Difference is, those games are actually fun and challenging, and aren’t plagued with design issues. What’s the point of replaying Sonic Forces if it’s too easy, too repetitive and poorly designed? You’re just subjecting yourself to torture over and over again. And I never said you’re the only one who likes the game. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but the general consensus among the overwhelming majority is that Sonic Forces isn’t a great game.

@arpaktiko Why should we care about what you care? If you feel bored or grumpy....

Okay so in spite of people not agreeing with me I was right, good sales for Sonic Forces on Switch and poor sales for Doom on Switch. I think that the Doom port is more impressive than the Switch version of Sonic Forces, though.

I bought doom on cartridge and the campaign is excellent. I have no desire to play the online part though.