@nessisonett Theyve already confirmed there wont be a new hardware release this financial year, so any new hardware would be released between April and December.
Im guessing an E3 reveal with a November release date.
@vyseofhr Not really. Comparable doesn't mean a 1 to 1 match. It just means they hold up well in comparison. Given Nvidia hardware has far superior raytracing plus the bonus of the DLSS upscale that PS5/XSX don't have, that means comparably attractive visuals despite cutbacks are very achievable. In the same way an RTX 4080 GPU smokes current gen consoles, yet the same game running on said consoles contrasted against an RTX 4080 equipped PC can be said to have "comparable" visuals.
Also what you need to remember is the consoles, pcs and handheld pcs all use power hungry desktop oriented x86 architecture. The ARM architecture phones and Switch use is designed specifically for mobiles so it's substantially more efficient and can is more performant clock for clock. So an ARM architecture could achieve great visuals at a substantially lower clockspeed and power usage than a x86 equivalent
@MeloMan Switch Pro isnt happening at this stage. You been hiding under a rock? Lol. Its just the successor now, Switch 2 or whatever they end up calling it.
So with that in mind, the Switchs best chance of overtaking the DS is for Nintendo to hold back from announcing the successor until after this Xmas, so that Switch 1 is still in high demand over this years festive period.
Switch is projected to be on 140 to 143 million by March 2024. That'll leave it with just 11 to 13 million to reach DS sales from March 2024. So its very achievable. Even likely. The struggle will be getting an extra 3 mill on top of that to reach PS2 sales.
Id love to see Switch 2 launch with Metroid Prime 4, a new 3D Mario, ARMS 2 and a party game. 4K and 60fps patches for BOTW and TOTK would be great as well.
@michaelf Thats not Nintendos way, especially not these days. Switch was announced in Oct 2016 and launched just 5 months later. That's a better way of doing things instead of drip feeding info way before launch and losing mystique, momentum and anticipation.
2002 for me. Metroid Prime, Rogue Leader, Eternal Darkness, Pikmin, Res Evil remake, Timesplitters 2, GTA: Vice City, Soul Calibur 2 and Super Mario Sunshine. What a year!
@PinderSchloss Majoras Mask recycled a lot of Ocarina of Times assets whilst introducing its own and proving to be a very unique Zelda title in its own right. One of the best in fact.
@SpaceboyScreams Depressing? A touch melodramatic no? We'll get a new Mario Kart where its best placed to be a significant update...on the Switchs successor. Im happy about that. MK8Ds track DLC is more than enough to tide us over.
@AstroTheGamosian The Game Boy and Game Boy Colour are grouped together, there isnt some multi generational grouping that includes the GBA and its iterations. Thats like grouping together the DS and 3DS or the NES and SNES into a Entertainment System family which is ridiculous. The Switch will outsell the Gameboy/GBC grouping by Xmas this year. The only two obstacles remaining will be the DS and the PS2.
@dimi My thoughts exactly. Because of its N64 origins Eternal Darkness was graphically dated even when it launched in 2002. I absolutely love this game and would much prefer a faithful remake as opposed to a remaster which would involve plastering new textures and lighting over the same angular geometry. 😩
@Anti-Matter Dont worry. The article makes the point that Sega Entertainment are the part of the company that operates arcade venues only. The part that makes arcade machines and develops arcade games is separate and unaffected.
@fafonio Disagree. The Zelda series has seen many changes and evolutions throughout its existence. LOZ to LOZ 2 was completely different. LTTP was another reinvention. Ocarina of Time then switched things up. It just so happens that the template established by Ocarina of Time was retained for so long. A template you understandably got used to and perceived as the essence of what a Zelda game is. Linear structure and dungeons arent what defines a Zelda game imo. Thats just what youve become comfortable with. Breath of the Wild is a return to the freedom the original was shooting for, but couldnt necessarily pull off as successfully due to hardware constraints. For me, Zeldas essence is in how an ordinary guy of humble beginnings, discovers he has a destiny and works towards it with the support of a diverse, quirky cast whilst navigating fascinating, varied, often dangerous, but always magical environments. NOT linear structure and dungeons. Making Zeldas challenge and hurdles come from the environment as opposed to having a bland environment and finite pockets of interest aka dungeons made things so much more organic and immersive. Zelda needed the shakeup that BOTW brought.
@B_Lindz Because the level of graphical complexity doesnt remain static. Developers always up the ante which then means sacrifices have to be made in terms of resolution and/or framerate on the same piece of fixed hardware. It then gets to the point where said hardware is incapable of running the latest games with their increasing demands necessitating new hardware. The current Switch chipset has the ability to output at 4k 60fps but that would be a very simplistic graphical simulation. Even the original Xbox from 2001 was capable of 180p visuals way before the HD twins (360 and PS3) however again that was only in select non graphically intense titles.
New hardware is required to be able to run the latest games in a performant state. Technology doesnt stay dormant and consumer expectations are generally for ever increasing graphical fidelity which as aforementioned eventually outstrips a static piece of hardwares abilities, necessitating a more powerful successor. A.I upscaling has its limits, it isnt a magical solution unlimited solution
At no point in this discussion have I said a Switch Pro is impossible. Quote me! 😏
How can i reference a machine like the Steam Deck whilst saying a Pro is impossible?
I said it didnt make sense and i have outlined why very clearly. I will not cater for incompetence.
Your argument was for an upgrade significant enough to address inconsistent framerates and sub native ports.
Knowing that would require a new chip i told you why Nintendos decision to not release such a Pro made sense.
You then moved the goalposts to say my points are moot as the Switch is underclocked and that Nintendo could EASILY overclock it to achieve the goal of consistent framerates and sub native ports.
I said youre no engineer to know the OLED is enough for this.
You conceded (quietly and therefore cowardly) and said the OLED would help but a new cooling system would be required.
I then provided evidence from hardware and graphics experts to state that whist overclocking was possible it was no easy fix and would actually require a significant re-design
So all it comes down to is your technical expertise is inept and i proved this with the support of Digital Foundry.
You sent a link of market analysts(glad youve learned the difference between these and engineers) saying the Switch Pro would release in 2021 (a completely different point to whats being argued) and have somehow tried to swing this as support for your belief that a Switch Pro in 2021 makes sense during a global chip supply shortage.
@cleveland124 I didnt misunderstand a thing. You tried to play the hero and bit off more than you could chew.
You argued that my points pertaining to an upgraded Switch not making sense now due to the late stage of its life cycle, chip shortages and the nature of mobile devices constraining the speed of progress in that space were moot, stating that its components could EASILY have been overclocked to overcome the Switchs struggles with ports. Here is your quote spelling mistakes and all:
"All your points are moot. The Switch is underclocked and the Oled screen creates less heat and usesless energy. They should be able to take that heat savings and use it to increase clock speed really easy. Think McFly!"
Digital Foundry said clear as day that whilst the components could be upclocked it would require a significant redesign of the Switch which would not make business sense at this stage of the Switchs life cycle.
In what dimensional plane does "They should be able to take that heat savings and use it to increase clock speed really easy" and significant redesign equate to the same thing?
My evidence completely rubbished your argument. So do not try and blag or spin support where it does not exist.
Concede like a man
At no point in this discussion have i ever said a Switch Pro wasnt possible. I said a Switch Pro didnt make sense at this point in the Switchs life cycle as due to the slow progress in performance you can put in a mobile device (as a result of battery and heat constraints) a meaningfully more powerful Switch Pro (and it would have to be meaningfully more powerful to address the port issues as Digital Foundry concurred) didnt make sense. I highlighted the Steam Deck as proving my point. A device that comes near 5 yrs after the Switch and only just hitting PS4 power. A meaningfully more powerful Switch revision would take the shine off a Switch 2 as they simply would not be able to make a much more powerful unit with the right balance between cost and performance that console makers have to achieve.
As much as i would love a more powerful Switch, i temper my expectations with common sense and an acknowledgement of the environment that Nintendo has to operate within. Learn from me.😉
Your argument has been throttled left, right and centre. This is 100% over. You did what you could and I appreciate your efforts. All the best 😙
In 2016 they envisioned they would have parts in the market that superceded the PS4 by the end of 2017. It didnt happen. It has taken until 2021 for mobile chipsets to match PS4 power. PS4 came out in 2013. 8 years!
So with the slow progress in that space, you think a meaningfully more powerful refresh made sense near 5 years into the Switch's life cycle, thereby taking the shine and appeal off its likely 2023 successor? 🙄
@cleveland124 AMD doesnt expect the chip constraints to ease until the 2nd half of 2022 and Nvidia the Switchs chip supplier confirmed in April that it would be a problem throughout 2021.
Here are actual chipmakers who have more insight than analysts as they actually make the things in question predicting that new consoles will be effected until 2023:
So overclocking the the TegraX1 causes battery and heat issues and utilizing a new chip is out of the question due to supply constraints. So Nintendo's strategy was logical and made great business sense.
Curb the entitlement and lets bring some objectivity to the table. You'll feel much better for it 😏
"In theory it is possible, but there's certainly nothing in the SDK to make it happen for game makers. And in truth, based on our overclocking tests, you gain extra stability and a cleaner picture on games that support dynamic resolution scaling, so while there is an improvement, it's not enough to comprehensively solve the docked play problem.
Of course, the truth is that only a fundamental redesign of the Switch itself can address this - something that does not really make business sense to Nintendo in the here and now, and would only cause headaches to developers in supporting a third performance profile."
So not only would upclocking the components not resolve the Switchs docked play problem to any meaningful degree, but as aforementioned it would create heat and battery life issues and require a major re-design which they state is pointless at this point in the cycle. On top of that it would necessitate a 3rd performance profile that developers would have to accommodate for. 😘
6mins 15 secs to 6mins 30 secs he states flat out that whilst the components could have been overclocked in this OLED unit it would have resulted in both heat and battery life issues which could not have been overcome without a significant redesign. GAME OVER 🤣
I am the one who cited the importance of referring to industry experts and the tech giants themselves. That was in response to you taking the argument from a simple OLED should have seen a performance upgrade vs a no it didnt make sense to you then attempting to weigh in on a technical level and present to the nintendolife community exactly what Nintendo should have done with their engineering efforts based on your personal "expert" insight.
I then said wheres your proof for that, im merely relaying industry expert opinion on the supply constraints and the limitations heat and battery considerations have on mobile hardware, whilst youre attempting to assert that Nintendo's inclusion of the OLED model absolutely meant they could have meaningfully upclocked the Switchs components.
When asked to provide evidence for that assertion you then provide a link to a completely different point one regarding whether there will be a Switch PRO in 2021.
What on earth has that got to do with any of this? 😂We were debating on whether the OLED should have been a larger upgrade. So your choice of evidence adds zero weight to your case and demonstrates your intellectual struggle.
@cleveland124 So just to translate, you have no evidence to back up your claim that as a result of the OLED Nintendo could have meaningfully upclocked the Switch without any detrimental impact on stability, heat levels and battery performance?
Great attempt at deflection. Said evidence doesnt even remotely support your supposition. Try again. 😖
@cleveland124 I didnt throw myself in the technical picture. I threw myself in the analyst picture. Know the difference. 😉
You dont need to be an engineer to read comments from these tech giants and analysts pertaining to the chip supply shortage. You also dont have to be an engineer to read comments from these tech giants and industry experts on the constraints battery tech and heat envelopes place on GPU progression in the mobile space. You however came in here talking about what specific technical changes Nintendo could do and should have done to its chips as a result of the OLED.
Can you please share for us all a reference from some tech giant or subject expert that states the same thing... that as a result of the OLED Nintendo without a shadow of a doubt could have meaningfully upclocked the Switchs components, without compromising its battery life, heat level or stability to levels below whats currently available? I'll wait.......😂
Conversely i can reference industry experts relaying my points on supply shortages and factors which limit mobile hardware progression.
See the difference? I relay info from the experts. You fantasize and waste comment space.
@cleveland124 No im not a technical engineer and thats the very reason why I know my place and you wont find me slating Nintendos strategy throwing out proposals about technical changes they shouldve and couldve made with insufficient insight about the impacts of said changes. Know your limitations and work with them 😉
Based on online talk there is a clear interest out there in a PRO model, but said interest doesnt discount the global chip supply constraints which renders such a model a poor move right now. Learn to see the bigger picture. Doing so would help you understand Nintendos strategy and thus avoid bouts of entitled outrage. 😔
@cleveland124 You are not an engineer and you have zero insight into the R and D efforts of Nintendo. You have zero idea of the quantitative level of energy and heat savings created by the OLED and whether they are sufficient to offset the increased energy and heat that would result from upclocking the Switch's components and enable consistently stable overall operation. You are a fan with a very vocal mouth. Again I request you be humble. Your "counter" is supposition at best. But as ever, thanks for your contribution. It helps to keep the comments section alive if nothing else. 😉
@cleveland124 So not only would a chipset change equate to a complete absence of logic and business sense (whether incremental or not) but the Switch despite being graphically underpowered in comparison to its mains supplied/desktop competition, is still capable of producing graphically lush titles when theyre exclusive and not ports designed for far more powerful systems. The hybrid nature of the Switch necessitates some drawbacks in its performance. That will always be a characteristic of a hybrid and that is something you as a consumer can either accept or dont accept. However the purchasing decision was yours. Do not bemoan Nintendos strategy whilst ignoring the external factors that inform said strategy.
Do not purchase a hybrid and then cry about framerates and resolution on ports near 5 years into the systems life. You have other options available to you with which to consume ports in higher graphical fidelity. I use my Switch for exclusives and my PS5 or PC for multiformat titles. Im about the games, wherever they might be.
@cleveland124 "Nobody was asking for 4k hardware in the Switch" - This is false. This was one of the most widely desired features voiced online at the height of the Switch Pro rumours prior to the Switch OLEDs unveiling. Lets not let ones own experience speak for the masses. Be humble.
"Its also pretty consistent with Nintendo's recent upgrade strategies to give late cycle power upgrades"
True. But in both recent generations you refer to (DS and 3DS) incremental revisions that brought just quality of life upgrades were more abundant and the favoured strategy of Nintendo.
Furthermore you need to consider the entirely different circumstances under which said revisions were introduced.
1) the aforementioned generations werent in the grip of a global chip supply shortage that some experts forecast will last till 2023. Under such circumstances an incremental upgrade using the same chipset/specification was the only logical revision strategy. Nintendo as whimsical and family friendly as they are are a business at the end of the day and make decisions with the expectation of making profit. A new specced Switch in 2021 would therefore amount to a paper launch in a similar fashion to the GPU hardware launches we've seen from both Nvidia(Nintendo's current GPU supplier) and AMD in 2020 and 2021 with both companies verifying therell be a shortage until at least late 2022. Not so great a time for new chips eh?
2) Both DS and 3DS launched woefully underpowered at a time when there were far more powerful (whilst remaining reasonably affordable) chipset options Nintendo couldve chosen. DS launched with the power of an N64 at around the same time the PSP launched as an underclocked PS2. 3DS launched with sub PS2 power(just with more modern shaders) at around the same time VITA launched with power midway between a PS2 and a PS3. Therefore Nintendo left themselves with a lot of room to manoeuvre revision wise in said generations so the circumstances are different. When the Switch launched in March 2017 it wasnt using ancient tech. The TegraX1 launched in summer 2015 and was graphically way ahead of the competition at the time. So when Switch launched Tegra X1 was available under 2 years on the market so was a different strategy for Nintendo as they were utilizing relatively modern hardware which at launch stood up very well. This was unprecedented for them in recent times. So this time around, Nintendo didnt start off way behind the curve. In terms of the mobile GPU space they launched very competitively. The issue is the mobile space is restricted by power and heat constraints, so GPU progress there is a lot slower and incremental in comparison to the desktop space. Hence why near 5 years after Switchs launch Steam Deck is PS4 power vs Switch being in between 360 and Xbox One. This is despite Valve saying they really went all out to get the most performant GPU they could get whilst striking the right balance between cost for consumer.
@Wesker Nonsense. Nintendo has always done incremental hardware upgrades like this for its handhelds. You only have yourself to blame if you looked at what the competitors did with the Pro and One X and expected the same strategy from Nintendo despite their long tradition of incremental revisions.
The Switch released in 2017 with GPU power in between 360 and Xbox One. Nearly 5 years later Steam Deck is releasing with cutting edge mobile GPU hardware and thats only reaching PS4 level power.
So a Switch Pro made absolutely no sense. It would have taken the shine off a Switch 2.
@BlackenedHalo Please engage your brain. The Switch is 2015 era mobile hardware meaning its visuals are supercharged and refined Xbox 360 calibre. So of course it wont be in keeping with the latest generation of mains supplied/desktop hardware. Why is this news to you? lol. When judging its graphics you do so bearing in mind the capability of the hardware. The graphics on display here look nice with improved image quality over the prequels and demonstrate good utilization of the Switch's hardware. Nothing to critique here except the logic centres of your brain.
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Re: Newly Discovered Nintendo Filing Shows Off "Dual-Screen, Detachable Device"
@X68000 Why would that be more glorious than a hybrid design that can be enjoyed as a dedicated handheld if the consuner wishes?
Re: Xbox Developer Open To A Switch Release Of Pentiment
Great game. Really enjoyed playing through this last year.
Re: Nintendo President Reiterates Switch Software Support Into FY24/25
@JONOFTHEJONS It doesnt show that at all. But it does show commitment to supporting Switch 1 with software for the next 12 months
Re: Soapbox: 'Switch 2' Doesn't Really Need Backwards Compatibility
@AmplifyMJ I guarantee you'd still buy Switch 2 regardless.
Re: Poll: What Did You Think Of The Nintendo Direct, Then?
@nessisonett Theyve already confirmed there wont be a new hardware release this financial year, so any new hardware would be released between April and December.
Im guessing an E3 reveal with a November release date.
Re: Nintendo Reportedly Showed 'Switch 2' Demos To Developers At Gamescom
@Nathendo It was. Heres a great roundup of leaked Switch 2 info:
https://telegra.ph/Everything-about-the-ol-Switch-2-07-21
Re: Nintendo Reportedly Showed 'Switch 2' Demos To Developers At Gamescom
@Nathendo T239 the Switch 2's SOC uses A78C in a single 8 core cluster as well as 1536 CUDA cores for the GPU side of things.
This is coupled with 12 GB of system RAM.
Re: Nintendo Reportedly Showed 'Switch 2' Demos To Developers At Gamescom
@vyseofhr Not really. Comparable doesn't mean a 1 to 1 match. It just means they hold up well in comparison. Given Nvidia hardware has far superior raytracing plus the bonus of the DLSS upscale that PS5/XSX don't have, that means comparably attractive visuals despite cutbacks are very achievable. In the same way an RTX 4080 GPU smokes current gen consoles, yet the same game running on said consoles contrasted against an RTX 4080 equipped PC can be said to have "comparable" visuals.
Also what you need to remember is the consoles, pcs and handheld pcs all use power hungry desktop oriented x86 architecture. The ARM architecture phones and Switch use is designed specifically for mobiles so it's substantially more efficient and can is more performant clock for clock. So an ARM architecture could achieve great visuals at a substantially lower clockspeed and power usage than a x86 equivalent
Re: Nintendo Switch Has Surpassed The Wii's Lifetime Sales In The US
@MeloMan Switch Pro isnt happening at this stage. You been hiding under a rock? Lol. Its just the successor now, Switch 2 or whatever they end up calling it.
So with that in mind, the Switchs best chance of overtaking the DS is for Nintendo to hold back from announcing the successor until after this Xmas, so that Switch 1 is still in high demand over this years festive period.
Switch is projected to be on 140 to 143 million by March 2024. That'll leave it with just 11 to 13 million to reach DS sales from March 2024. So its very achievable. Even likely. The struggle will be getting an extra 3 mill on top of that to reach PS2 sales.
Re: Talking Point: Which Nintendo IP Should 'Switch 2' Launch With?
Id love to see Switch 2 launch with Metroid Prime 4, a new 3D Mario, ARMS 2 and a party game. 4K and 60fps patches for BOTW and TOTK would be great as well.
Re: Nintendo Switch Has Now Sold Over 129 Million Units
@michaelf Thats not Nintendos way, especially not these days. Switch was announced in Oct 2016 and launched just 5 months later. That's a better way of doing things instead of drip feeding info way before launch and losing mystique, momentum and anticipation.
Re: Rumour: Nintendo Is Targeting A 2024 Release For The Switch Successor
@Stamina_Wheel Thanks for sharing. That was a great read!
Re: Japanese Charts: Pikmin 4 Posts An Out Of This World Debut, Knocking Zelda From The Top Spot
@GrailUK I hope that was a joke? Hes clearly a true gamer and not a brand loyalist.
Re: Nintendo Direct June 2023 - Every Announcement And Game Reveal
@Magician The art direction was a mess though. This game with the HD-2D finesse of Octopath or Live a Live wouldve been amazing 😫
Re: Eiji Aonuma "Interested" In Zelda Movie After Mario's $1 Billion Box Office Success
Id love a hand drawn Zelda animation. Not CGI.
Re: Talking Point: What's The Best Year In Gaming?
2002 for me. Metroid Prime, Rogue Leader, Eternal Darkness, Pikmin, Res Evil remake, Timesplitters 2, GTA: Vice City, Soul Calibur 2 and Super Mario Sunshine. What a year!
Re: Nintendo Provides A Look At Switch's Games Line-Up For 2023
@PinderSchloss Majoras Mask recycled a lot of Ocarina of Times assets whilst introducing its own and proving to be a very unique Zelda title in its own right. One of the best in fact.
Re: Japanese Charts: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Surpasses 5 Million Sales
@SpaceboyScreams Depressing? A touch melodramatic no? We'll get a new Mario Kart where its best placed to be a significant update...on the Switchs successor. Im happy about that. MK8Ds track DLC is more than enough to tide us over.
Re: Nikkei Report Says No New Nintendo Hardware Is Coming This Fiscal Year
@Vriess Relax. It'll come in Spring 2024. They're just riding out the supply shortage.
Re: Nintendo Switch Sales Surpass 111 Million
@AstroTheGamosian The Game Boy and Game Boy Colour are grouped together, there isnt some multi generational grouping that includes the GBA and its iterations. Thats like grouping together the DS and 3DS or the NES and SNES into a Entertainment System family which is ridiculous. The Switch will outsell the Gameboy/GBC grouping by Xmas this year. The only two obstacles remaining will be the DS and the PS2.
Re: Poll: What's The Best Mario Kart Game?
Double Dash all the way closely followed by MK8D.
Re: Poll: Are You Excited About Pokémon Scarlet And Pokémon Violet?
I took a break from the series after Sword and Shield so im fully aboard the hype train 😁
Re: Nightdive Studios Wants To Remaster Titles Like Eternal Darkness, But Hasn't Had Any Luck With Nintendo
@dimi My thoughts exactly. Because of its N64 origins Eternal Darkness was graphically dated even when it launched in 2002. I absolutely love this game and would much prefer a faithful remake as opposed to a remaster which would involve plastering new textures and lighting over the same angular geometry. 😩
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Sticks With Mario Kart 8 Through 2023, But What About Switch?
@wHeReArEtHeChEeToS its not $25 per pack. Thats the price for all 48 tracks.
Re: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Is Finally Getting DLC
@DomGC Nah. Makes sense to save that for the Switchs successor. This was the right move for Nintendos success and us as gamers ultimately.
Re: Sega Is Exiting The Japanese Amusement Arcade Business After Half A Century
@Anti-Matter Dont worry. The article makes the point that Sega Entertainment are the part of the company that operates arcade venues only. The part that makes arcade machines and develops arcade games is separate and unaffected.
Re: Nightdive Brings '90s FPS PowerSlave Exhumed To Switch This February
@Moistnado You'll be waiting a good 3 to 5 years plus for that mate. Enjoy! Lol
Re: Japan's Top 100 Console Games Of All Time Revealed, According To A Nationwide TV Network Poll
@fafonio Disagree. The Zelda series has seen many changes and evolutions throughout its existence. LOZ to LOZ 2 was completely different. LTTP was another reinvention. Ocarina of Time then switched things up. It just so happens that the template established by Ocarina of Time was retained for so long. A template you understandably got used to and perceived as the essence of what a Zelda game is. Linear structure and dungeons arent what defines a Zelda game imo. Thats just what youve become comfortable with. Breath of the Wild is a return to the freedom the original was shooting for, but couldnt necessarily pull off as successfully due to hardware constraints. For me, Zeldas essence is in how an ordinary guy of humble beginnings, discovers he has a destiny and works towards it with the support of a diverse, quirky cast whilst navigating fascinating, varied, often dangerous, but always magical environments. NOT linear structure and dungeons. Making Zeldas challenge and hurdles come from the environment as opposed to having a bland environment and finite pockets of interest aka dungeons made things so much more organic and immersive. Zelda needed the shakeup that BOTW brought.
Re: Feature: 14 Wii Games That Deserve Switch Ports
Metroid Prime Trilogy, Conduit 1 and 2, Zack and Wiki, Deadly Creatures, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess HD and Cursed Mountain.
Re: Nintendo Reconfirms Release Windows For Major Upcoming Switch Games
Thats actually a great lineup of games 😃
Re: Nintendo Talks About Its Future - Reconfirms Next Gaming System Is Coming In "20XX"
@B_Lindz Because the level of graphical complexity doesnt remain static. Developers always up the ante which then means sacrifices have to be made in terms of resolution and/or framerate on the same piece of fixed hardware. It then gets to the point where said hardware is incapable of running the latest games with their increasing demands necessitating new hardware. The current Switch chipset has the ability to output at 4k 60fps but that would be a very simplistic graphical simulation. Even the original Xbox from 2001 was capable of 180p visuals way before the HD twins (360 and PS3) however again that was only in select non graphically intense titles.
New hardware is required to be able to run the latest games in a performant state. Technology doesnt stay dormant and consumer expectations are generally for ever increasing graphical fidelity which as aforementioned eventually outstrips a static piece of hardwares abilities, necessitating a more powerful successor. A.I upscaling has its limits, it isnt a magical solution unlimited solution
Re: Nintendo Talks About Its Future - Reconfirms Next Gaming System Is Coming In "20XX"
@the4seer The Switch will pass the Wiis sales by the end of December.
Re: Video: Comparing The OLED, Switch, And Switch Lite Screens
@cleveland124 Absolute drivel 😂
At no point in this discussion have I said a Switch Pro is impossible. Quote me! 😏
How can i reference a machine like the Steam Deck whilst saying a Pro is impossible?
I said it didnt make sense and i have outlined why very clearly. I will not cater for incompetence.
Your argument was for an upgrade significant enough to address inconsistent framerates and sub native ports.
Knowing that would require a new chip i told you why Nintendos decision to not release such a Pro made sense.
You then moved the goalposts to say my points are moot as the Switch is underclocked and that Nintendo could EASILY overclock it to achieve the goal of consistent framerates and sub native ports.
I said youre no engineer to know the OLED is enough for this.
You conceded (quietly and therefore cowardly) and said the OLED would help but a new cooling system would be required.
I then provided evidence from hardware and graphics experts to state that whist overclocking was possible it was no easy fix and would actually require a significant re-design
So all it comes down to is your technical expertise is inept and i proved this with the support of Digital Foundry.
You sent a link of market analysts(glad youve learned the difference between these and engineers) saying the Switch Pro would release in 2021 (a completely different point to whats being argued) and have somehow tried to swing this as support for your belief that a Switch Pro in 2021 makes sense during a global chip supply shortage.
What a mess 🤣
Re: Video: Comparing The OLED, Switch, And Switch Lite Screens
@cleveland124 I didnt misunderstand a thing. You tried to play the hero and bit off more than you could chew.
You argued that my points pertaining to an upgraded Switch not making sense now due to the late stage of its life cycle, chip shortages and the nature of mobile devices constraining the speed of progress in that space were moot, stating that its components could EASILY have been overclocked to overcome the Switchs struggles with ports. Here is your quote spelling mistakes and all:
"All your points are moot. The Switch is underclocked and the Oled screen creates less heat and usesless energy. They should be able to take that heat savings and use it to increase clock speed really easy. Think McFly!"
Digital Foundry said clear as day that whilst the components could be upclocked it would require a significant redesign of the Switch which would not make business sense at this stage of the Switchs life cycle.
In what dimensional plane does "They should be able to take that heat savings and use it to increase clock speed really easy" and significant redesign equate to the same thing?
My evidence completely rubbished your argument. So do not try and blag or spin support where it does not exist.
Concede like a man
At no point in this discussion have i ever said a Switch Pro wasnt possible. I said a Switch Pro didnt make sense at this point in the Switchs life cycle as due to the slow progress in performance you can put in a mobile device (as a result of battery and heat constraints) a meaningfully more powerful Switch Pro (and it would have to be meaningfully more powerful to address the port issues as Digital Foundry concurred) didnt make sense. I highlighted the Steam Deck as proving my point. A device that comes near 5 yrs after the Switch and only just hitting PS4 power. A meaningfully more powerful Switch revision would take the shine off a Switch 2 as they simply would not be able to make a much more powerful unit with the right balance between cost and performance that console makers have to achieve.
As much as i would love a more powerful Switch, i temper my expectations with common sense and an acknowledgement of the environment that Nintendo has to operate within. Learn from me.😉
Your argument has been throttled left, right and centre. This is 100% over. You did what you could and I appreciate your efforts. All the best 😙
Re: Video: Comparing The OLED, Switch, And Switch Lite Screens
@cleveland124 My work here is done. You got washed. Dont take it personal. 😫
Re: Video: Comparing The OLED, Switch, And Switch Lite Screens
@cleveland124 Heres an article on the relative constraints a mobile GPU has to deal with in comparison to consoles/desktop space:
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/223537-no-mobile-gpus-still-arent-going-to-catch-dedicated-consoles-by-the-end-of-2017
In 2016 they envisioned they would have parts in the market that superceded the PS4 by the end of 2017. It didnt happen. It has taken until 2021 for mobile chipsets to match PS4 power. PS4 came out in 2013. 8 years!
So with the slow progress in that space, you think a meaningfully more powerful refresh made sense near 5 years into the Switch's life cycle, thereby taking the shine and appeal off its likely 2023 successor? 🙄
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@cleveland124 AMD doesnt expect the chip constraints to ease until the 2nd half of 2022 and Nvidia the Switchs chip supplier confirmed in April that it would be a problem throughout 2021.
https://uploadvr.com/amd-ceo-chip-shortage-end-h2-2022/
Here are actual chipmakers who have more insight than analysts as they actually make the things in question predicting that new consoles will be effected until 2023:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2021/09/04/ps5-and-xbox-series-x-shortages-will-continue-through-2023-most-likely/?sh=6e5c85ae489c
So overclocking the the TegraX1 causes battery and heat issues and utilizing a new chip is out of the question due to supply constraints. So Nintendo's strategy was logical and made great business sense.
Curb the entitlement and lets bring some objectivity to the table. You'll feel much better for it 😏
Re: Video: Comparing The OLED, Switch, And Switch Lite Screens
@cleveland124 Heres an article that you can read at your own pace just in case their speech in the video is too quick for you to follow:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2021-spec-analysis-switch-oled-model-new-display-old-tech
"In theory it is possible, but there's certainly nothing in the SDK to make it happen for game makers. And in truth, based on our overclocking tests, you gain extra stability and a cleaner picture on games that support dynamic resolution scaling, so while there is an improvement, it's not enough to comprehensively solve the docked play problem.
Of course, the truth is that only a fundamental redesign of the Switch itself can address this - something that does not really make business sense to Nintendo in the here and now, and would only cause headaches to developers in supporting a third performance profile."
So not only would upclocking the components not resolve the Switchs docked play problem to any meaningful degree, but as aforementioned it would create heat and battery life issues and require a major re-design which they state is pointless at this point in the cycle. On top of that it would necessitate a 3rd performance profile that developers would have to accommodate for. 😘
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@cleveland124 As for evidence, let me provide the evidence that you should have provided.
Could the OLED Switchs components have been upclocked with resultant stability, no heating issues or battery life issues?
Lets hear from Richard Leadbetter of digital foundry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UBeJjvI5gM
6mins 15 secs to 6mins 30 secs he states flat out that whilst the components could have been overclocked in this OLED unit it would have resulted in both heat and battery life issues which could not have been overcome without a significant redesign. GAME OVER 🤣
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@cleveland124 What absolute nonsense. 😂
I am the one who cited the importance of referring to industry experts and the tech giants themselves. That was in response to you taking the argument from a simple OLED should have seen a performance upgrade vs a no it didnt make sense to you then attempting to weigh in on a technical level and present to the nintendolife community exactly what Nintendo should have done with their engineering efforts based on your personal "expert" insight.
I then said wheres your proof for that, im merely relaying industry expert opinion on the supply constraints and the limitations heat and battery considerations have on mobile hardware, whilst youre attempting to assert that Nintendo's inclusion of the OLED model absolutely meant they could have meaningfully upclocked the Switchs components.
When asked to provide evidence for that assertion you then provide a link to a completely different point one regarding whether there will be a Switch PRO in 2021.
What on earth has that got to do with any of this? 😂We were debating on whether the OLED should have been a larger upgrade. So your choice of evidence adds zero weight to your case and demonstrates your intellectual struggle.
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@cleveland124 So just to translate, you have no evidence to back up your claim that as a result of the OLED Nintendo could have meaningfully upclocked the Switch without any detrimental impact on stability, heat levels and battery performance?
Great attempt at deflection. Said evidence doesnt even remotely support your supposition. Try again. 😖
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@cleveland124 I didnt throw myself in the technical picture. I threw myself in the analyst picture. Know the difference. 😉
You dont need to be an engineer to read comments from these tech giants and analysts pertaining to the chip supply shortage. You also dont have to be an engineer to read comments from these tech giants and industry experts on the constraints battery tech and heat envelopes place on GPU progression in the mobile space. You however came in here talking about what specific technical changes Nintendo could do and should have done to its chips as a result of the OLED.
Can you please share for us all a reference from some tech giant or subject expert that states the same thing... that as a result of the OLED Nintendo without a shadow of a doubt could have meaningfully upclocked the Switchs components, without compromising its battery life, heat level or stability to levels below whats currently available? I'll wait.......😂
Conversely i can reference industry experts relaying my points on supply shortages and factors which limit mobile hardware progression.
See the difference? I relay info from the experts. You fantasize and waste comment space.
Enjoy your day 😉
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@cleveland124 No im not a technical engineer and thats the very reason why I know my place and you wont find me slating Nintendos strategy throwing out proposals about technical changes they shouldve and couldve made with insufficient insight about the impacts of said changes. Know your limitations and work with them 😉
Based on online talk there is a clear interest out there in a PRO model, but said interest doesnt discount the global chip supply constraints which renders such a model a poor move right now. Learn to see the bigger picture. Doing so would help you understand Nintendos strategy and thus avoid bouts of entitled outrage. 😔
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@cleveland124 You are not an engineer and you have zero insight into the R and D efforts of Nintendo. You have zero idea of the quantitative level of energy and heat savings created by the OLED and whether they are sufficient to offset the increased energy and heat that would result from upclocking the Switch's components and enable consistently stable overall operation. You are a fan with a very vocal mouth. Again I request you be humble. Your "counter" is supposition at best. But as ever, thanks for your contribution. It helps to keep the comments section alive if nothing else. 😉
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Re: Video: Comparing The OLED, Switch, And Switch Lite Screens
@cleveland124 So not only would a chipset change equate to a complete absence of logic and business sense (whether incremental or not) but the Switch despite being graphically underpowered in comparison to its mains supplied/desktop competition, is still capable of producing graphically lush titles when theyre exclusive and not ports designed for far more powerful systems. The hybrid nature of the Switch necessitates some drawbacks in its performance. That will always be a characteristic of a hybrid and that is something you as a consumer can either accept or dont accept. However the purchasing decision was yours. Do not bemoan Nintendos strategy whilst ignoring the external factors that inform said strategy.
Do not purchase a hybrid and then cry about framerates and resolution on ports near 5 years into the systems life. You have other options available to you with which to consume ports in higher graphical fidelity. I use my Switch for exclusives and my PS5 or PC for multiformat titles. Im about the games, wherever they might be.
Thanks for your contribution 😀
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@cleveland124 "Nobody was asking for 4k hardware in the Switch" - This is false. This was one of the most widely desired features voiced online at the height of the Switch Pro rumours prior to the Switch OLEDs unveiling. Lets not let ones own experience speak for the masses. Be humble.
"Its also pretty consistent with Nintendo's recent upgrade strategies to give late cycle power upgrades"
True. But in both recent generations you refer to (DS and 3DS) incremental revisions that brought just quality of life upgrades were more abundant and the favoured strategy of Nintendo.
Furthermore you need to consider the entirely different circumstances under which said revisions were introduced.
1) the aforementioned generations werent in the grip of a global chip supply shortage that some experts forecast will last till 2023. Under such circumstances an incremental upgrade using the same chipset/specification was the only logical revision strategy. Nintendo as whimsical and family friendly as they are are a business at the end of the day and make decisions with the expectation of making profit. A new specced Switch in 2021 would therefore amount to a paper launch in a similar fashion to the GPU hardware launches we've seen from both Nvidia(Nintendo's current GPU supplier) and AMD in 2020 and 2021 with both companies verifying therell be a shortage until at least late 2022. Not so great a time for new chips eh?
2) Both DS and 3DS launched woefully underpowered at a time when there were far more powerful (whilst remaining reasonably affordable) chipset options Nintendo couldve chosen. DS launched with the power of an N64 at around the same time the PSP launched as an underclocked PS2. 3DS launched with sub PS2 power(just with more modern shaders) at around the same time VITA launched with power midway between a PS2 and a PS3. Therefore Nintendo left themselves with a lot of room to manoeuvre revision wise in said generations so the circumstances are different. When the Switch launched in March 2017 it wasnt using ancient tech. The TegraX1 launched in summer 2015 and was graphically way ahead of the competition at the time. So when Switch launched Tegra X1 was available under 2 years on the market so was a different strategy for Nintendo as they were utilizing relatively modern hardware which at launch stood up very well. This was unprecedented for them in recent times. So this time around, Nintendo didnt start off way behind the curve. In terms of the mobile GPU space they launched very competitively. The issue is the mobile space is restricted by power and heat constraints, so GPU progress there is a lot slower and incremental in comparison to the desktop space. Hence why near 5 years after Switchs launch Steam Deck is PS4 power vs Switch being in between 360 and Xbox One. This is despite Valve saying they really went all out to get the most performant GPU they could get whilst striking the right balance between cost for consumer.
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@Wesker Nonsense. Nintendo has always done incremental hardware upgrades like this for its handhelds. You only have yourself to blame if you looked at what the competitors did with the Pro and One X and expected the same strategy from Nintendo despite their long tradition of incremental revisions.
The Switch released in 2017 with GPU power in between 360 and Xbox One. Nearly 5 years later Steam Deck is releasing with cutting edge mobile GPU hardware and thats only reaching PS4 level power.
So a Switch Pro made absolutely no sense. It would have taken the shine off a Switch 2.
Gotta use common sense.
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@Burning_Spear Good. Wouldnt want MK9 on the Switch. Id rather it be a launch window title on Switchs successor.
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@BlackenedHalo Please engage your brain. The Switch is 2015 era mobile hardware meaning its visuals are supercharged and refined Xbox 360 calibre. So of course it wont be in keeping with the latest generation of mains supplied/desktop hardware. Why is this news to you? lol. When judging its graphics you do so bearing in mind the capability of the hardware. The graphics on display here look nice with improved image quality over the prequels and demonstrate good utilization of the Switch's hardware. Nothing to critique here except the logic centres of your brain.