Video: Comparing The OLED, Switch, And Switch Lite Screens

This is better a better video comparison than digital foundry. Top stuff

@Zuljaras Actually I disagree. Remember if you watch the video on a normal LCD screen you aren't going to notice the difference.

I've been playing on my Switch OLED for a few hours now and literally every single game and app looks 100x better.

The difference between OLED and LCD can be the difference between night and day.

These videos aren't worth watching. It's like trying to judge how speakers sound via a different set of speakers. Recording another screen just doesn't do the job.

@Zuljaras OLED screens rarely are accurate in video. The only way to see it’s sheer beauty is in person. I just got a switch OLED and watched the Sora trailer on it as a demo. It was literally night and day from the original model. It was absolutely insane.

My partner decided to get one for herself as I didn't see the point in me upgrading as it didn't seem worth it, but, I have been giving it a try on games like splatoon 2 and monster hunter stories 2 and the games definitely do look brighter and more colourful and the screen is very nice and noticeably bigger.

Still, I'm not upgrading as its not worth the purchasing if you already have a switch console, but to those who don't have a switch yet I definitely recommend the OLED model

@Zuljaras Yea, that totally happened with the 3DS to the 'New' 3DS. That can only be generally good for Nintendo and the consumer base

OLED is nice, but the lack of HDR is a bit of a let down.

I guess, this is with the standard (vivid) setting? Personally, I would definitely turn that off.

The way I see it, the Switch/ Switch Lite screens are: A, OLED: A+

Mine comes in tomorrow. I feel a little embarrassed that I shelled out for another system for such a slight improvement. I couldnt help myself.

To give this improved screen but without any increased power under the hood is just milking the fanbase. Fair enough, I’m sure they had their reasons and people will still enjoy the improvement anyway, but come on, the OLED is just a minor blip on Nintendo’s hardware evolution.

Can't say the brightness is a big deal to me as I usually play with it turned down a bit anyways.

OLED is way better than my Lite. That being said, I hate the bulkiness of it. That screen does pop and I’m totally gushing over it. I didn’t pre-order. I’m kind of perplexed because I always pre-order. HMMMM. I’m mad I want my upgrade, but the joy cons…….

For the people that maybe haven't clocked this yet or experienced this in real life...OLED screens are pretty much only noticeable in person - you certainly aren't going to notice it on a tiny smart phone or a LCD monitor lol - just go to your local TV store and compare OLED tv's to the LCD ones, if you can't notice the obvious differences, then this console isn't for you

Thank for making this, this is the exact video I wanted for comparing the three.

None of the reviewers use the Youtube app to compare besides games, why? The Youtube videos look so much better on an OLED screen, also with that kickstand - it turns the Switch into a fully functional desktop mini OLED TV.

It's pretty and all, but I still think burn-in is going to be a problem for me. Especially since Downwell is one of the games I'm playing now, and that game gives my LCD switch burn-in, thankfully only temporarily for a few hours. I'm sure the OLED Switch on the same game and time would get permanent burn-in real fast from that.

The OLED screen on my Samsung phone has really bad burn-in, and its so ugly to look at.

My OLED Vita isn't much better than the LCD model.

I was at my local gamestop in NJ today(10/08/21) and was asked if I wanted to upgrade to the new oled nintendo switch. I said I'd think about it. They stated that you must have everything that originally came in the box when you bought your system(including the original box). Upgrade pricing is $40. The new oled system is $350 and depending on how old your original system is, it really seems to be worth the $40 they charge you. I bought my system in early 2019. So if you have an original day one release, it's totally worth the $40 especially when that day one release has a battery thats over 4 years old by now.

@River3636 the gamestop i visited today said that you can upgrade to the new oled switch model for only $40 bucks. All original components that came in box plus the original box must be intact. They also stated that nintendo has fixed the joycon issues. He even pulled up an article on his phone saying the joycons were fixed for the new model.

You guys broke my neck. Th-thanks.

@Herbalchunk1242
Holy crap, now you have piqued my interest. If that is true, then I certainly won't mind trading it in.

But there is one problem: Somehow, I misplaced my Switch HDMI cable.

@Wesker Nonsense. Nintendo has always done incremental hardware upgrades like this for its handhelds. You only have yourself to blame if you looked at what the competitors did with the Pro and One X and expected the same strategy from Nintendo despite their long tradition of incremental revisions.

The Switch released in 2017 with GPU power in between 360 and Xbox One. Nearly 5 years later Steam Deck is releasing with cutting edge mobile GPU hardware and thats only reaching PS4 level power.

So a Switch Pro made absolutely no sense. It would have taken the shine off a Switch 2.

Gotta use common sense.

Still not worth it to me. Ill wait for the next model or for my current switch to crap out.

The viewing angles on the OLED are miles better as well, something this video does not really show.

I owned my OLED less than 15 minutes and could already appreciate the more rich colors on screen and more expansive viewing environment. Seems, just like viewing customer pics of TV screens, it does not capture well to show in film/picture medium. Hopefully some will be on display in store.

@Scoopz

"The Switch released in 2017 with GPU power in between 360 and Xbox One. Nearly 5 years later Steam Deck is releasing with cutting edge mobile GPU hardware and thats only reaching PS4 level power."

Nobody was asking for 4k hardware in the Switch. Incremental improvement would make a great deal of improvement for games that can't hold consistent frame rate or games like Doom eternal that drops to 360P resolution in hand held mode.

It's also pretty consistent with Nintendo's recent upgrade strategies to give late cycle power upgrades.

1. The Nintendo DSi came out increasing the power of the original DS just over a year before Nintendo came out with the true successor the 3DS and about 5 years after the launch of the original DS.

2. The New 3DS launched 4 years after the original launch of the 3DS in the US and about 2 years prior to the launch of the Switch. This was actually a pretty big power increase and extremely noticeable in performance.

"Gotta use common sense."

Personal attacks that imply the previous poster has no common sense are really uncalled for on this forum. Especially when Nintendo has done exactly what you say isn't common sense by giving late product life cycle power increases in the last two generations with the DSi and New 3DS.

@cleveland124 "Nobody was asking for 4k hardware in the Switch" - This is false. This was one of the most widely desired features voiced online at the height of the Switch Pro rumours prior to the Switch OLEDs unveiling. Lets not let ones own experience speak for the masses. Be humble.

"Its also pretty consistent with Nintendo's recent upgrade strategies to give late cycle power upgrades"

True. But in both recent generations you refer to (DS and 3DS) incremental revisions that brought just quality of life upgrades were more abundant and the favoured strategy of Nintendo.

Furthermore you need to consider the entirely different circumstances under which said revisions were introduced.

1) the aforementioned generations werent in the grip of a global chip supply shortage that some experts forecast will last till 2023. Under such circumstances an incremental upgrade using the same chipset/specification was the only logical revision strategy. Nintendo as whimsical and family friendly as they are are a business at the end of the day and make decisions with the expectation of making profit. A new specced Switch in 2021 would therefore amount to a paper launch in a similar fashion to the GPU hardware launches we've seen from both Nvidia(Nintendo's current GPU supplier) and AMD in 2020 and 2021 with both companies verifying therell be a shortage until at least late 2022. Not so great a time for new chips eh?

2) Both DS and 3DS launched woefully underpowered at a time when there were far more powerful (whilst remaining reasonably affordable) chipset options Nintendo couldve chosen. DS launched with the power of an N64 at around the same time the PSP launched as an underclocked PS2. 3DS launched with sub PS2 power(just with more modern shaders) at around the same time VITA launched with power midway between a PS2 and a PS3. Therefore Nintendo left themselves with a lot of room to manoeuvre revision wise in said generations so the circumstances are different. When the Switch launched in March 2017 it wasnt using ancient tech. The TegraX1 launched in summer 2015 and was graphically way ahead of the competition at the time. So when Switch launched Tegra X1 was available under 2 years on the market so was a different strategy for Nintendo as they were utilizing relatively modern hardware which at launch stood up very well. This was unprecedented for them in recent times. So this time around, Nintendo didnt start off way behind the curve. In terms of the mobile GPU space they launched very competitively. The issue is the mobile space is restricted by power and heat constraints, so GPU progress there is a lot slower and incremental in comparison to the desktop space. Hence why near 5 years after Switchs launch Steam Deck is PS4 power vs Switch being in between 360 and Xbox One. This is despite Valve saying they really went all out to get the most performant GPU they could get whilst striking the right balance between cost for consumer.

@cleveland124 So not only would a chipset change equate to a complete absence of logic and business sense (whether incremental or not) but the Switch despite being graphically underpowered in comparison to its mains supplied/desktop competition, is still capable of producing graphically lush titles when theyre exclusive and not ports designed for far more powerful systems. The hybrid nature of the Switch necessitates some drawbacks in its performance. That will always be a characteristic of a hybrid and that is something you as a consumer can either accept or dont accept. However the purchasing decision was yours. Do not bemoan Nintendos strategy whilst ignoring the external factors that inform said strategy.

Do not purchase a hybrid and then cry about framerates and resolution on ports near 5 years into the systems life. You have other options available to you with which to consume ports in higher graphical fidelity. I use my Switch for exclusives and my PS5 or PC for multiformat titles. Im about the games, wherever they might be.

Thanks for your contribution 😀

@Scoopz

All your points are moot. The Switch is underclocked and the Oled screen creates less heat and usesless energy. They should be able to take that heat savings and use it to increase clock speed really easy. Think McFly!

@cleveland124 You are not an engineer and you have zero insight into the R and D efforts of Nintendo. You have zero idea of the quantitative level of energy and heat savings created by the OLED and whether they are sufficient to offset the increased energy and heat that would result from upclocking the Switch's components and enable consistently stable overall operation. You are a fan with a very vocal mouth. Again I request you be humble. Your "counter" is supposition at best. But as ever, thanks for your contribution. It helps to keep the comments section alive if nothing else. 😉

@Scoopz

Oh you are the technical engineer? So when you say it's stupid you are talking from a knowledgeable position? Either way it's a question of how to get better cooling not how to design a new chip since the Switch is like 30% underclocked. Oled screen would help but more work would need to be done.

Based on the number of articles and forum activity it seems like there is interest in a pro model. You come off as very condenscending always adding small personal jabs like me crying. Also, you felt the need to say I had zero knowledge(when I destroyed your argumemt) and not include yourself in that zero knowledge bubble. So I find it amusing that I need to be humble. Try sticking to the topic and don't make personal attacks and I'll treat you with respect.

@Herbalchunk1242 I have to wait I’m just being cautious. I’ll probably get it in January if all is copacetic with the OLED.

@cleveland124 No im not a technical engineer and thats the very reason why I know my place and you wont find me slating Nintendos strategy throwing out proposals about technical changes they shouldve and couldve made with insufficient insight about the impacts of said changes. Know your limitations and work with them 😉

Based on online talk there is a clear interest out there in a PRO model, but said interest doesnt discount the global chip supply constraints which renders such a model a poor move right now. Learn to see the bigger picture. Doing so would help you understand Nintendos strategy and thus avoid bouts of entitled outrage. 😔

@Scoopz

You are such a jerk. You just can't control yourself. Learn to see the bigger picture? And you clearly did throw yourself in the technical discussion with a text wall about how technically hard it would be to create a new chip. I guess I'll just say if only Nintendo could see the bigger picture when they made a new 3DS and Sony when they made a PS4 Pro and Microsoft selling an S series and an X series. If only they had your knowledge they could avoid these mistakes. Pretty impressive that you have more bussiness acumen than all of them. Or were you speaking from a place of zero knowledge again?

@cleveland124 I didnt throw myself in the technical picture. I threw myself in the analyst picture. Know the difference. 😉

You dont need to be an engineer to read comments from these tech giants and analysts pertaining to the chip supply shortage. You also dont have to be an engineer to read comments from these tech giants and industry experts on the constraints battery tech and heat envelopes place on GPU progression in the mobile space. You however came in here talking about what specific technical changes Nintendo could do and should have done to its chips as a result of the OLED.

Can you please share for us all a reference from some tech giant or subject expert that states the same thing... that as a result of the OLED Nintendo without a shadow of a doubt could have meaningfully upclocked the Switchs components, without compromising its battery life, heat level or stability to levels below whats currently available? I'll wait.......😂

Conversely i can reference industry experts relaying my points on supply shortages and factors which limit mobile hardware progression.

See the difference? I relay info from the experts. You fantasize and waste comment space.

Enjoy your day 😉

@Scoopz

You haven't cited one expert during this discussion. In a world where the Steam Deck exists your argument can't be that Switch Pro isn't possible. Heck even just upping the ram would have performance benefits and be super easy.

So your argument seems to be that cost/benefit to market isn't here. You aren't always clear so I'm guessing a little here. Now what your fail to realize is that the industry experts are giving their opinions on that. Not facts. So if you were smart enough, you'd realize there is no way to win this argument and and would bow out with agree to dissagree.

Here is an article from early this year. https://www.geekinco.com/2021/02/nintendo-switch-pro-several-analysts-do.html?m=1

Several industry analysts (which have infinitley more knowledge than you) agreed with you that the time wasn't right for a Switch Pro. Others agreed with me thinking that Switch momentum was slowing some and that this would be a good stop gap until Switch 2 comes out. Nintendo agrees with you because there is no Switch Pro. You may think this means you win, but you'd have to ignore that Nintendo is wrong on the market just as much as anybody else. Much like they thought the market would buy 100 million Wii Us or that the NES/Snes classic wouldn't sell so they barely produced any. They didn't even project the original Wii's success and it took them 4 years to get manufacturing up to demand. So at the end of the day, you have your opinion and have some decent thoughts to support that opinion. I have my opinion and some decent thoughts to support that opinion. And the only way we'd know for sure is if we could quantum physics split the world into parrallel worlds where one gets a Switch Pro and the other doesn't and then we could see what the better business decision was.

@cleveland124 So just to translate, you have no evidence to back up your claim that as a result of the OLED Nintendo could have meaningfully upclocked the Switch without any detrimental impact on stability, heat levels and battery performance?

Great attempt at deflection. Said evidence doesnt even remotely support your supposition. Try again. 😖

@Scoopz

As do you not my friend. I do love that you can't counter any of my points and that is your fall back is the fallacy that I have to provide proof and you don't. I'm the only one who linked experts agreeing with me but expert opinion is still opinion and I wouldn't try to present that as facts like you do.

Keep rreading up on the market and one day you'll learn something about business. I'm a little dumber now for having read your posts but I'll recover.

@cleveland124 What absolute nonsense. 😂

I am the one who cited the importance of referring to industry experts and the tech giants themselves. That was in response to you taking the argument from a simple OLED should have seen a performance upgrade vs a no it didnt make sense to you then attempting to weigh in on a technical level and present to the nintendolife community exactly what Nintendo should have done with their engineering efforts based on your personal "expert" insight.

I then said wheres your proof for that, im merely relaying industry expert opinion on the supply constraints and the limitations heat and battery considerations have on mobile hardware, whilst youre attempting to assert that Nintendo's inclusion of the OLED model absolutely meant they could have meaningfully upclocked the Switchs components.

When asked to provide evidence for that assertion you then provide a link to a completely different point one regarding whether there will be a Switch PRO in 2021.

What on earth has that got to do with any of this? 😂We were debating on whether the OLED should have been a larger upgrade. So your choice of evidence adds zero weight to your case and demonstrates your intellectual struggle.

@cleveland124 As for evidence, let me provide the evidence that you should have provided.

Could the OLED Switchs components have been upclocked with resultant stability, no heating issues or battery life issues?

Lets hear from Richard Leadbetter of digital foundry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UBeJjvI5gM

6mins 15 secs to 6mins 30 secs he states flat out that whilst the components could have been overclocked in this OLED unit it would have resulted in both heat and battery life issues which could not have been overcome without a significant redesign. GAME OVER 🤣

@cleveland124 Heres an article that you can read at your own pace just in case their speech in the video is too quick for you to follow:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2021-spec-analysis-switch-oled-model-new-display-old-tech

"In theory it is possible, but there's certainly nothing in the SDK to make it happen for game makers. And in truth, based on our overclocking tests, you gain extra stability and a cleaner picture on games that support dynamic resolution scaling, so while there is an improvement, it's not enough to comprehensively solve the docked play problem.

Of course, the truth is that only a fundamental redesign of the Switch itself can address this - something that does not really make business sense to Nintendo in the here and now, and would only cause headaches to developers in supporting a third performance profile."

So not only would upclocking the components not resolve the Switchs docked play problem to any meaningful degree, but as aforementioned it would create heat and battery life issues and require a major re-design which they state is pointless at this point in the cycle. On top of that it would necessitate a 3rd performance profile that developers would have to accommodate for. 😘

@cleveland124 AMD doesnt expect the chip constraints to ease until the 2nd half of 2022 and Nvidia the Switchs chip supplier confirmed in April that it would be a problem throughout 2021.

https://uploadvr.com/amd-ceo-chip-shortage-end-h2-2022/

Here are actual chipmakers who have more insight than analysts as they actually make the things in question predicting that new consoles will be effected until 2023:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2021/09/04/ps5-and-xbox-series-x-shortages-will-continue-through-2023-most-likely/?sh=6e5c85ae489c

So overclocking the the TegraX1 causes battery and heat issues and utilizing a new chip is out of the question due to supply constraints. So Nintendo's strategy was logical and made great business sense.

Curb the entitlement and lets bring some objectivity to the table. You'll feel much better for it 😏

@cleveland124 why don't y'all just take it outside. Both arguments are stupid. If y'all don't know by now that nintendo is not in business by giving the customers anything for free, then both of y'all are a little bit special Ed. Chip shortage started before there was any talk about a switch pro. So nintendo wanted something to keep up with the demand that people wanted in 4k gaming. Though they couldn't get more powerful chips. Hence the reason they went to just improving the display and not playing with the power end. Newsflash: the switch oled still isn't capable of 4k gaming. Look at nintendos gameboy line. Every system that came out had visual improvements only. The 3ds and 2ds were all similar in that respect too. Nintendo saw that people wanted a cheaper option than the 3ds so thats why they released the 2ds to target those who wanted a 3ds at the 2ds price point. Point is that nintendo is only willing to make the switch more stabile rather than more powerful(for free). So until nintendo can get a more powerful chipset then the current, I promise that you won't see any power improvements. Why would they improve something and not get something out of it. Thats like wiping your ass before you poop. It makes zero sense.

@cleveland124 Heres an article on the relative constraints a mobile GPU has to deal with in comparison to consoles/desktop space:

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/223537-no-mobile-gpus-still-arent-going-to-catch-dedicated-consoles-by-the-end-of-2017

In 2016 they envisioned they would have parts in the market that superceded the PS4 by the end of 2017. It didnt happen. It has taken until 2021 for mobile chipsets to match PS4 power. PS4 came out in 2013. 8 years!

So with the slow progress in that space, you think a meaningfully more powerful refresh made sense near 5 years into the Switch's life cycle, thereby taking the shine and appeal off its likely 2023 successor? 🙄

@cleveland124 My work here is done. You got washed. Dont take it personal. 😫

I suppose an actual comparison will have to wait until I can see a real-life model for myself, but just from this video comparison, I can definitely notice at the very least that the OLED is more vivid and more contrasted, and the blacks are definitely darker. Near the end when we see Mario's form on the floor, the OLED showed the patterned black and gray floor first as well.

@Herbalchunk1242

I'm not sure why you responded this to me? I never once stated the Switch Pro should be a free upgrade or include 4K.

@Scoopz

You seem to have misunderstood my posts. From my post #35

"Either way it's a question of how to get better cooling not how to design a new chip since the Switch is like 30% underclocked. Oled screen would help but more work would need to be done."

So I indicated that they would have to design better cooling to get improved performance out of the existing chip. I said explicitly that OLED would help but more work would need to be done. It seems Digital Foundry agrees with my analysis. They said it performs slightly better in handheld mode but would need better dock cooling to do better docked. I fully admitted a redesign may be needed to get better cooling in post #35. The funny thing is Nintendo did redesign the dock to accommodate the bigger Switch but it seems they didn't take the opportunity to make the cooling any better.

The Switch Pro was rumored at $399 so I'd expect it would include some redesign that I still think they could keep the same chip with other solutions to improve performance. I was never thinking the Switch Pro would be a 4K machine which would clearly indicate the need for a new chip. I always said I wanted some incremental improvement to go with the nicer screen.

It's Digital Foundry's opinion that it doesn't make sense for a redesign at this time. That may be so, but we don't really know how the Switch will sell from here on to the Switch 2 or even when the Switch 2 will come. I had industry analysts in my above article that did think it was time for the Switch Pro. Different opinions you know even with experts in the field. Market projections are some science and some guessing.

To be honest I couldn't understand why you said a Switch Pro wouldn't be possible. But it seems you thought my opinion was based on not doing anything but just squeezing more power out. I even said above that in a world the Steam Deck exists how can you think it's not possible to make a Switch Pro? Because in my mind I want a Switch Pro and if it takes additional resources then so be it. Even though I'd be happy with minimal gains and the same chip.

@cleveland124 I didnt misunderstand a thing. You tried to play the hero and bit off more than you could chew.

You argued that my points pertaining to an upgraded Switch not making sense now due to the late stage of its life cycle, chip shortages and the nature of mobile devices constraining the speed of progress in that space were moot, stating that its components could EASILY have been overclocked to overcome the Switchs struggles with ports. Here is your quote spelling mistakes and all:

"All your points are moot. The Switch is underclocked and the Oled screen creates less heat and usesless energy. They should be able to take that heat savings and use it to increase clock speed really easy. Think McFly!"

Digital Foundry said clear as day that whilst the components could be upclocked it would require a significant redesign of the Switch which would not make business sense at this stage of the Switchs life cycle.

In what dimensional plane does "They should be able to take that heat savings and use it to increase clock speed really easy" and significant redesign equate to the same thing?

My evidence completely rubbished your argument. So do not try and blag or spin support where it does not exist.

Concede like a man

At no point in this discussion have i ever said a Switch Pro wasnt possible. I said a Switch Pro didnt make sense at this point in the Switchs life cycle as due to the slow progress in performance you can put in a mobile device (as a result of battery and heat constraints) a meaningfully more powerful Switch Pro (and it would have to be meaningfully more powerful to address the port issues as Digital Foundry concurred) didnt make sense. I highlighted the Steam Deck as proving my point. A device that comes near 5 yrs after the Switch and only just hitting PS4 power. A meaningfully more powerful Switch revision would take the shine off a Switch 2 as they simply would not be able to make a much more powerful unit with the right balance between cost and performance that console makers have to achieve.

As much as i would love a more powerful Switch, i temper my expectations with common sense and an acknowledgement of the environment that Nintendo has to operate within. Learn from me.😉

Your argument has been throttled left, right and centre. This is 100% over. You did what you could and I appreciate your efforts. All the best 😙

@Scoopz

After I said as noted in post #35 that the OLED would get you "part way there", you proceeded to say it was impossible. So you dismissed my point outright so I dismissed yours with the McFly comment. You have to ignore my previous posts to pretend like that's all I said.

You are moving the goalposts now. All I said is the Switch should perform better. I never threw out how much better. I never said 4K, never said 50% improvement, or 25%. So yes it seems that Digital Foundry agrees with me as they explicitly state performance on the Switch OLED is better in variable scaled games due to better heat dissipation. That's all I've ever been saying all along.

They do say the dock design prevents better performance in docked mode. I actually never mentioned the dock in any of my posts. So this is of no consequence to me.

How many pieces of video game hardware has digital foundry released? Oh, zero? They are hardware experts, not market experts. If you were an analyst as you say, you'd know there are dozens of market experts and that some think it's time for a Switch Pro and some don't. A real market prediction would have product cycle comparisons and project what sales for the Switch would be if a Pro version came out and if a pro version doesn't come out. It would compare market share to the competitors and it would speculate on when a Switch 2 would come out and what the impact a Switch Pro would have on those sales. Digital foundry gave a one sentence opinion that it wasn't the right time. They gave an opinion and did no market analysis and it's not proof that a Switch Pro would fail in the slightest.

@cleveland124 Absolute drivel 😂

At no point in this discussion have I said a Switch Pro is impossible. Quote me! 😏

How can i reference a machine like the Steam Deck whilst saying a Pro is impossible?

I said it didnt make sense and i have outlined why very clearly. I will not cater for incompetence.

Your argument was for an upgrade significant enough to address inconsistent framerates and sub native ports.

Knowing that would require a new chip i told you why Nintendos decision to not release such a Pro made sense.

You then moved the goalposts to say my points are moot as the Switch is underclocked and that Nintendo could EASILY overclock it to achieve the goal of consistent framerates and sub native ports.

I said youre no engineer to know the OLED is enough for this.

You conceded (quietly and therefore cowardly) and said the OLED would help but a new cooling system would be required.

I then provided evidence from hardware and graphics experts to state that whist overclocking was possible it was no easy fix and would actually require a significant re-design

So all it comes down to is your technical expertise is inept and i proved this with the support of Digital Foundry.

You sent a link of market analysts(glad youve learned the difference between these and engineers) saying the Switch Pro would release in 2021 (a completely different point to whats being argued) and have somehow tried to swing this as support for your belief that a Switch Pro in 2021 makes sense during a global chip supply shortage.

What a mess 🤣

@Scoopz

"How can i reference a machine like the Steam Deck whilst saying a Pro is impossible?"

That was my exact quote above. But you ignored it to continue your crusade against things I wasn't saying. It later became apparent that you were just arguing yourself and I tried to correct you but you still don't let it go.

"I said it didnt make sense and i have outlined why very clearly. I will not cater for incompetence."

If my point was unclear you should have asked for more specifics instead of arguing something you didn't understand.

"Knowing that would require a new chip i told you why Nintendos decision to not release such a Pro made sense."

Digital Foundry said specifically this wasn't the case. They said it would require a new cooling solution, not a new chip.

"I then provided evidence from hardware and graphics experts to state that whist overclocking was possible it was no easy fix and would actually require a significant re-design"

Never said no re-design. I said no new chip because a significant part of your argument was the chip shortage. Digital foundry agreed that a redesigned dock could allow additional cycle speed.

"You sent a link of market analysts(glad youve learned the difference between these and engineers)"

Says the person who said Digital Foundry was a market analyst and proved your point that the market wouldn't accept a Switch Pro. If you read the link, some people said it was time for a Switch Pro. So it's not in support of your position.

"I said youre no engineer to know the OLED is enough for this. You conceded (quietly and therefore cowardly)"

What a weird thing to say. Were you cowering when you admitted you weren't an engineer? Maybe we should stop this discussion. I'm worried about your mental state and I don't want to be the person that drives you over the edge.

Right here comes the correct opinion choo-choo;

stake 1- I’ve put maybe thousands of hours into my one and only pre-launch (dev gratis) Switch. It’s bent like a banana, has a blue tint to the display over the more yellow later Switches. But alas white balance shifts with different manufacturers.

stake 2- I’ve got a regular OLED Switch. As my game time stats on the menu screen have been reset I can see I’ve already put a couple of hundred hours into the console.

conclusion bit- i play my Switch 75% of the time whilst watching lockdown TV. Currently on West World if you’re wondering< its astounding. I play in all brightness levels as needed. Vivid setting always enabled - why do the normal one and be a complete idiot?

The OLED is miles better. I really appreciate the faux HDR with the expanded colour palette. It looks especially nice in dark settings. On low brightness red really pops.

OLED is different to, let’s just call it LED. LED goes dimmer as less power is provided. Oled doesn’t do that. It has a formula to shrink down the RGB values. Hence why some colours look better when the system is set to its lowest brightness settings; the Vita was great for this too: they didn’t nail the fading formula so it barely drops any brightness and the colours go crazy. Bless them they tried.

I adore my OLED TV, iPhone 13 Pro Max, Apple Watch s6 titanium, Vita, Switch, RV TV. It’s just better than LED. better tech will arrive in the future. Micro led looks promising but still lacks behind modern oled. I wish my iPad Pro 13” was oled too.