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First things first, I would love 'Switch 2' to be backwards compatible.
In an ideal world, I'd love every new system to be compatible with the last, and prior generations, too. Every time a new console rolls around, my backlog of previous-genners gets buried beneath another layer of digital dust before getting lost altogether in the swell of shiny new games on the shiny new system. There's a huge peace-of-mind benefit to being able to pack up my old console knowing that I can still play all its games on the new hotness.
However, as fresh rumours surrounding the Switch successor emerge freshly churned from the rumour mill on a weekly basis, I find myself realising that Nintendo's next console really doesn't need backwards compatibility. In fact, it needs it less than any previous Nintendo console, and — perhaps — any console ever.
The ability to play GameCube games on Wii, or Wii games on Wii U made upgrading a marginally easier decision, but the reality is that I would have gotten the new systems eventually, regardless. For lifelong gamers, convenience and peace of mind are the two main reasons we care so much about still being able to access previous-gen games on our new systems; the peace of mind that we'll still have direct and immediate access to our existing library, without the inconvenience of digging out the old console or worrying if it still works.
Being able to trade in old hardware for new can be a significant factor in jumping into the next generation, too — I'm certainly not dismissing that, and for big home consoles with a price tag of $500+, it's an even more serious consideration. And that's ignoring the sheer space requirements to keep a PS5 or Xbox Series X set up in your entertainment centre alongside a new system. Those things are bloody enormous.
However, the more obsessive gamers among us are more likely to keep our old consoles, and keeping your trusty Switch in a state of readiness is an easier ask than those bulky home consoles. I needn't worry about airflow or finding space or connecting cables. Worst-case scenario, I pick it out of the draw and charge it for a while.
From Nintendo's point of view, the benefits of implementing Switch game compatibility, even if the rumoured Nvidia chip onboard the new system makes it feasible and relatively simple, may not outweigh the potential cons. Yes, you get a comforting selling point for the box that'll go down particularly well with parents — all those expensive games you bought still work, no sweat! — but cutting technical ties with the previous platform helps establish the new system as its own thing. Nintendo will be desperate not to confuse people as it did with Wii U.
Perhaps more relevant to Nintendo's bottom line and the firm's overall approach to hackers and homebrew, any potential avenue to piracy will be locked tight with Switch 2. The original Switch that launched in 2017 was replaced by a revision incorporating the updated chip found in the Lite and OLED models due to an exploit discovered by hackers. Essentially an unpatchable vulnerability in the Nvidia chipset itself, the flaw blew the doors off the system's security very early in its lifecycle. The updated SKUs fixed the issue, but the damage was done and videos of Nintendo games running in 4K on PC, sometimes before they're even publicly available on Switch, are now par for the course. If there's any chance whatsoever that backwards compatibility could prove useful to hackers and pirates, Nintendo simply won't include it in the next system.
And then, of course, there's the ability to sell us last-gen games all over again! Hey, it worked for this gen with Wii U games, and Sony did nicely milking The Last of Us three times in nine years, so why not again? In reality, I'm not convinced Nintendo would take this path of diminishing returns. The Wii U ports this generation were a direct result of that console's commercial failure and even the most cynical among us would likely concede that the steady stream of Deluxe upgrades have given new life to games that deserved more attention than they got originally. Sure, Zelda: Breath of the Wild Deluxe on Switch 2 would sell, but it's hardly compatible with the company MO to 'surprise and delight'. And I think we can all agree that BOTW got its dues. It sold over 30 million copies and counting.
With the Switch now over halfway into its seventh year, many of us have upgraded and have multiple Switches in the house. Unlike its bulky home console brethren, the rigmarole and inconvenience of digging one of these out to play some Breath of the Wild is negligible. As great as it would be, I really don't need to be able to play BOTW or Mario Odyssey or Smash Bros. Ultimate on my Super Switch.
I would imagine that the retro games currently accessible through Nintendo Switch Online will transfer over to the new platform in some form, if not in their entirety. I'm sure we'll get a convoluted 'Nintendo-style solution', but maintaining the value of the subscription service will be essential, and that substantial catalogue of retro gems is a simple way to deliver continuity alongside that peace of mind we're all chasing. Albeit via a subscription service which could be shut down at any moment.
In fact, perhaps the biggest reason for Switch 2 backwards compatibility is that Metroid Prime 4 runs on the thing, although that's assuming that it's still a Switch project. Personally (and I think many Metroid fans would feel the same), I hope that the project has shifted platforms to take advantage of additional power, BUT there may be Switch owners disappointed that a game announced so long ago isn't coming to the console. Would Switch 2 exclusivity stop Prime fans from playing MP4? Almost certainly not, but having apologised for restarting development, Nintendo has form in delivering big games that bookend a console's lifecycle. And there's nothing to stop both consoles, old and new, from getting a version of the same game without any backwards compatibility. Yes, BOTW, I know. You can stop tapping me on the shoulder.
So, after umming and ahhing, I've come to the conclusion that of all the mainstream consoles from the big three manufacturers, 'Switch 2' is the one that makes the least compelling case for really requiring backwards compatibility. Who can say what's in store — and I'd love to play all my current games on whatever the new system ends up being, and with a modest resolution and frame rate bump to boot — but if Switch 2 doesn't play Switch games, it's less of a deal-breaker than ever before.
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It doesn’t need to be backwards compatible but it absolutely should be. There are so many more reasons for it to play Switch games over it not being able to. End of story.
Chief among them being that if the next console is what we expect it to be then ditching the Switch brand would be insane and calling it a new Switch that can’t play the original’s library serves only to muddy the waters right off the bat.
Awk it really does, for me.
Incorrect. It needs backwards compatibility so the current library isn't seen as "obsolete".
It super does matter tho
I don't care if it's BC with purchased games, because I can always play those on my Switch. But all Switch online apps should immediately roll over, retaining all games released up to this point.
I do believe that the switch 2 will have backwards compatibility but wouldn’t be surprised if Nintendo decided not to include it
If it wasn't backwards compatible, I'd be looking at buying one much later in its lifespan. I have too many Switch games to play as it is, and I'm at a point in my life where FOMO means nothing to me so I'd only get one once I've exhausted what I want to play on Switch.
But if it was backwards compatible, it'd be like upgrading the Switch I currently have while also getting access to a new library so I'd be more likely to buy it earlier in the lifespan.
Utter bollocks. Of course it should be backwards compatible. Plus it won’t be a situation where it’s completely impractical or impossible to add that feature, like it would’ve been to let the Switch play Wii U game discs.
This column is just a repeat of when all
The PlayStation magazine rallied against the PlayStation 2 being backward compatible with the PlayStation 1.
@Dr_Corndog Exactly! And eShop purchases. For example, Arcade Archive purchases should carry forward.
No. NO! Don't do this to me!
Sorry but It does
The WiiU didn't fail because of Backwards compatibility, it failed due to poor marketing and the gimmick being barely used and being more of a nuisance.
Also I'm not tech savy but I don't see how Backwards Compatibility would make it easier for hackers to hack into the switch 2 to get their games.
If it isn’t backward compatible then the port situation is going to be even worse than what’s on the switch.
This is 2023. 2024 when the sept h 2 comes out. I can’t believe we are going to give Nintendo a pass on backward compatibility because we all think Nintendo is our friend. That’s insane. We still don’t have proper online that doesn’t lag. I can’t voice chat. I can’t message. I have to pay for cloud saves. Both Xbox and PlayStation have figured this put. Nintendo should have to as well.
I use a AV receiver but I still only have so many inputs. If Nintendo thinks I’m committing two inputs to switch one and switch two they are crazy.
Surely this article is just a way to cause a firestorm of the thread section.
I have a couple 3DS games I got after the Switch came out still sitting unopened. I also have a handful of untouched physical Switch games and at least a dozen indies, none of which I'll be finishing any time soon. I really hope I don't end up leaving them behind when the next generation comes around.
Personally, I’ll skip any console that doesn’t have BC at this point. Between standardized architectures, emulation, and streaming there’s really no reason not to have BC. If they want to sell to me and my friends, then it absolutely must be backwards compatible for at least the digital library.
For the first time more than ever I have never been a fan of backwards compatibility but for me the Switch 2 really should have it. Especially as I have invested in digitally only with Switch.
I know I can keep the Switch but I played docked 100% of the time and space is not available in my nice set up, also tv hdmi connection space.
It would be so good whilst we are waiting for switch 2 Splatoon 4 the next Zelda game just to download Splatoon 3 and TOTK onto switch 2 and play.
If it doesn’t have backwards compatibility then Nintendo in this current day and age would look so the company villains out of the big three.
And I always buy day one with all the new consoles, but with no backwards compatibility I will not with Switch 2.
I would prefer BC so I dont have to repurchase games!
Swing and a miss!
The Switch 2 needs to backwards compatible more than traditional consoles because it is mobile.
Sure, I can keep my Switch and use it to play games but I don't want to have to carry both consoles around with me because I am not sure which game I want to play.
Making the Switch 2 BC means it launches with a huge library of games available to it on day 1.
I really think as buyers we need to demand BC back at least one generation. Especially as we move more and more to an all digital ecosystem.
It does for me.
Doesn't have it I'm not buying it, end of.
It's gonna have to have backwards compatibility if they want me to buy it.
Trying to sell me a new console, and then going "by the way, you'll need to rebuy all your games!" is just a kick in the nards. And the whole "Just keep playing your old Switch" argument is weak. If that's the case, then why buy the new one at all? My Switch runs the games I play just fine, and if I want to play something that needs more processing power I'm just gonna use my computer.
In this day and age releasing a new console without BC is basically holding a sign up that says "we don't respect you in any capacity." There's no good reason to not include it (and porting over digital collections) than pure greed and anti-consumerist nonsense.
If the Switch 2 is not backward compatible I will never buy an indie game on the eShop ever again.
Did a parasitic publishing executive write this? 🤔
Is this engagement bait? It needs backwards compatibility if for no other reason than because of how all of their "innovative" consoles have hurdles coming to a VC or NSO. We don't have Wii, DS, 3DS, or Wii U games on the NSO for fairly reasonable reasons. We need to hang onto those systems if we want to play those games. Don't make us hang onto yet another system. Plus they all had their own system-specific eshops; the Switch eshop is now the one and only universal option moving forward. As long as the Switch 2 has the same or more buttons it should not be any issue at all and there would be no excuse for them to hurt us like that.
You say that we've never needed BC less? I say we've never deserved it more.
@evan23 you mean you don’t currently carry around your 3ds, and original game boy with your switch. I think you’re a fake fan.
Hard, hard, hard disagree. Nintendo has typically followed N+1 for all of their consoles except for major switches in media formats. This is a scenario where it will be beyond unacceptable - coming off of a platform that had us rebuying games from the previous generation to have next generation updates to them. This generation should improve performance of the older games, and obviously, be able to play them. Going forward, all consoles will be this way.
Hard disagree. I own an extensive library of digital Switch games that I don’t want Nintendo to resell me ports of at full price.
Definitely be nice for all the Eshop games I have purchased to carry over. Let's wait and see I guess.
I sure hope it is backwards compatible. I have hundreds of Switch games. I would really hate to start from square one with a new console. Switch is just large enough for me not to want to carry it and the successor console at the same time. I want access to my library without having to dust off another system. It would be a foolish move on Nintendo's part, because I would be hard pressed to buy any of these games again. I hope you're wrong about this one.
Backwards compatibility isn't essential, but it will definitely sweeten the deal for many including yours truly; Nintendo would be nuts not to include it. I'm not a day one adopter for two reasons: 1. I like waiting on software and hardware issues to be tuned out first, and 2. My backlog neutralizes any existing FOMO I may feel.
Plus, if Nintendo sticks with the current account system and allows purchases and subs to carry over, that'll be huge. They've historically been very bad at this.
The only thing it NEEDS is a new animal crossing, preferably with another tropical setting
Nintendo would be stupid to ignore the 130 + milions user base of Nintendo Switch, they would be shooting themselves if the ignore backward compatibly on it next hardware, that not a smooth transition as Nintendo want, that a nightmare they will fact, if they ignore backward compatibly on Switch sucessor
My main reason for wanting it to be backwards compatible is that handheld consoles tend to have more wear&tear with me. If the new console can play Switch games, I won't be as afraid of breaking my Switch down the road.
My main reason for not wanting it, is it would be nice to start with a fresh eShop, instead of it being bloated already at the start of its lifespan. Then again, a redesign of the eshop could fix this as well.
Hahahahahahahahahaha engagement bait.
The only thing rhetoric like this does is tell people who don’t have disposable income that they’re worthless.
From a strictly technical point of view Switch 2 doesn’t need BC because after a couple of years of Mario and Zelda games people will buy 1 to play the new games. Which also means less shortages as some people hold off on buying one. But I do think it could make a difference of 10s of millions of console sales. Like 80 million Switch 2 w/ no BC and 120 million with BC.
How many consoles Nintendo wants to sell is up to them. I mean when’s the last time someone bought a new amiibo b/c of what it could do in a video game? Nintendo gonna Nintendo. 🤷🏻♂️
That said. I think it will have BC but either digital or physical, not both, because Nintendo gonna Nintendo.😂
Yeah, no. It absolutely should be backwards compatible.
You'd have to be the biggest Nintendo simp if the next system does not have backwards compatibility and you come up with articles like this to rationalize it for everyone.
I agree, it does not NEED to be backwards compatible. BUT, if the countless low-requirements indie games get a Switch 2 release, I at least want to be able to "upgrade" my existing Switch 1 versions to be able to play them on the new system.
I don't know if I've ever disagreed with the premise of an article more than this one.
No, it does. It absolutely does.
Hard disagree, there’s so many games on the switch that are getting ported, on top of all the new stuff, not having backwards compatibility would suck.
I'll take "S**t Takes" for $100 Bob.
I don't think I'll buy the Switch 2, at least at launch, if it doesn't have backwards compatibility
It doesn't strictly need backwards compatibility, but having a ready-made library of great Switch games on day 1 will help during those always meagre launch months.
They fixed the exploit with the new version of the hardware anyway, so actually there's no reason not to have backwards compatibility.
IT REALLY DOES ACTUALLY!
Nah one of the reasons I mainly play on PC is because I'm not locked to if new hardware comes out my games don't work.
It doesn't need to, but if it did, I'd sell or pass my Switch down to my brothers or daughter for them to enjoy, while if it's not backwards compatible, I'd keep it around for all those games I bought and haven't gotten to yet... might also make me less likely to buy as much digitally next time around.
Xbox proves each generation that BC truly is important to a lot of gamers. The fact that I can boot up my Series X and play Fable, Fallout 3, Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, Elden Rings, and Outpost Koloki X is just awesome and amazing.
With each successive generation on Xbox we also got improvements for running previous Gen games on new hardware…. Rez boost from XB to 360 on titles like KOTOR, Rez boost/FPS boost for running 360 on XB1 and FPS boost for XB1 to Series X as seen on Fallout 4.
That last factor is a PRIME reason why Switch 2 should be BC. A lot of Third Party titles could seriously benefit from increased hardware power on Switch 2, like Witcher 3 and Mortal Kombat 1. Or even some first party titles like Pokémon S/V or BotW/TotK. I agree most first party titles don’t need a power increase to look/play better, but a couple like the ones mentioned surely could benefit.
The last point I’ll make, as shown by Xbox/Wii/WiiU when you release a console fully BC with the previous generation, you start that console with a MUCH larger library to choose from. It’s a smarter choice to make the system obsolete than the games. Games can be “Evergreen” whereas hardware really cannot due to eventual failure.
Even to this day gamers want to buy old NES and SNES, that right there should prove to everyone just how much of a good idea it is to, at the very least, maintain BC with the previous generation.
Edit - one last example I’ll use, Apple, Android and PC. All get new hardware while retaining the ability to play older titles. And those have FAR larger install bases than any console on the market. Take a lesson from them. Refresh hardware, maintain BC.
I'm pretty indifferent but all these raging comments like it's some unforgivable sin are hilarious
Imagine the confusion if the next console runs Nintendo Switch Online games, but not Nintendo Switch games. Now imagine in a few years from now those same Nintendo Switch Online games no longer run on the Nintendo Switch, because Nintendo decided to terminate the service for the aging console, yet they continue to work on the newer console. You can't say this nonsense would help to avoid confusion and give the new console its own identity.
There is absolutely nothing good that can come out of the next console lacking backwards compatibility. For one thing, I will have little desire to buy a console that will not play the literal hundreds upon hundreds of games I have accumulated over the years for its predecessor. Honestly, at that point, I think I'd just go primarily Xbox/PC/Steam Deck. And on top of that the new system will not only look like an absolute joke against the comprehensive performance-improving backwards compatibility of the Xbox Series S|X that goes all the way back to the original Xbox, it will also be incredibly weak against the PS5, which only has backwards compatibility going back to the previous generation.
And you can say that you don't need it. That's fine. But some of us may actually want to get some more use out of games that we already paid for for the Switch that could really benefit from the performance boost that would occur as a side effect of running on better hardware with higher clock rates. Bayonetta 3 comes to mind.
One of the reasons why I love my Xbox Series X is because it's fully backward compatible with Xbox One games and a good chunk of games from the Xbox 360's and OG Xbox's libraries.
It's awesome to play an old Xbox 360 game I loved on my shiny new Xbox Series X. It also makes me feel better as a consumer knowing that my investment in the Xbox family since the OG system is paying off when I access to most of my old games.
So to me, Backward Compatibility is a major selling point since it allows me to enjoy my older games on new hardware. It also makes me feel better for investing in a system if I can bring my library with me.
I believe the Switch 2 needs Backward Compatibility. Not only will it help negate alot of early system droughts by offering Switch 2 owners access to new Switch games, but it will matain loyalty for the millions of Switch owners and will make them less hesitant to upgrade.
Super mega disagree. I doubt the Switch 2 would sell as well as the Switch 1 if it couldn't play the older games. We don't NEED it, we SHOULD have it.
Sure, it doesn't need to be BC, and I also don't need to buy it if it's not.
I am sorry but it needs it. If it is not BC I will wait a few years to think about getting one.
Hard disagree with this article. Glad almost everyone else here seems to agree. Mentalities like this set a precedent for gaming companies to be lazy with the way they build their consoles. It’s understandable to lose some BC switching from the Wii U to the Switch given the change in console medium and discs to cartridge, but if this really is a “Switch 2,” I’d be pissed if there wasn’t BC when the Switch forced us to rebuy barely altered 8 year old games at $60 on a new console.
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Disagree, sorry. The Switch 2 needs to be backwards compatible end of. I actually think all modern consoles need to be. Aren't xbox and ps latest gen consoles backward compatible? Will make Switch look fairly handicapped in major feature terms if it isn't backward compatible consider the other two equivalent gen consoles are! I have a digital and hard copy ocean of games on the dang Switchy 1!
If I'm to buy it, it does.
I will not buy the switch successor if I can't play my massive switch library on it.
I guess one good workaround would be to have switch 1 compatible with switch 2 joycons and dock. That way we get to very easily swap the two to access older games and still get whatever benefit that could be crammed into dock 2 and of course play switch 1 with non-drift joycons 2.
I'm not sure it would as cool as real retro compatibility but it COULD work and not make people go crazy.
Two words: Nuh uh!
This is the WORST article and opinion i've ever seen on Nintendo Life.
Congratulations, Author, you have my engagement.
Sadly, I could see Nintendo not making Switch2 backward compatible on purpose, just so they can repackage the game for Switch 2 to sell it again at premium price.
No, it absolutely should be. Being able to carry over my Switch game library would really help me not overlook my backlog, I think
@Bgmog Yeah, I'm feeling this too. I have my entire Xbox Live library dating back to the Xbox 360. My games automatically carried over to the Xbox One, and now the Series S. That should be the standard.
I could see them going this route, but it'd be a pretty big mistake not to. I really don't know what they're planning (because lets be honest, who does with big N), but I hope they try and circumvent angering their core fan audience. Alienating a huge sector of their player base really bit them in the ass during the Wii/Wii U era, so seeing them do it all over again would just suck. Beyond all that, the switch just has the one of, if not the most, powerful software lineups of all time. I'm not going to lie and say am not gonna buy the thing if it can't play the og switch games, but its obvious by reading the comments above that this IS a big problem for a lot of people. This isn't the Wii, they cant just ignore their core audience. Gamers make a super substantial part of the player base, so just focusing on the casuals wouldn't really work. As I'm writing this and more comments keep pouring in above me, I'm realizing that they kind of have to at this point! Unless people are just exaggerating, then not supporting switch games on the next console is just bad for business.
Every console needs backwards compatibility. No exceptions.
When every other console does have it, who could buy an indie game or 3rd party game in confidence on the one console ecosystem left that doesn't?
Backwards compatibility is no longer just a solution to physical gaming setups running out of space for more plastic. It's assurance that your countless digital purchases have longevity.
If they don't, then why but then on a Nintendo console at all?
I argue that it does need backwards compatibility. It's a huge sticking point in the console wars. I hate to say it, but phones have set a precedent that you can carry games over to new devices. If Nintendo doesn't make their next console BC, I am not buying. I invested heavily into Switch, and I am not doing that again.
I couldn't disagree more. Switch 2 is the chance for Nintendo to establish a continuous, ongoing system like iOS, Steam etc. Guaranteed backwards compatibility from now on would demonstrate clear, positive progression from the old, games-restricted-to-one-console model.
I very much agree. And I think people are getting way too uppity about the topic. When the Switch first released, I used both it and 3DS until the former had enough of its own games to stand independently. It's a portable system, just throw in the drawer and take it out if you want to play one of its games. I will concede, though, that reselling or trading in a system to help finance the new one is kind of a big deal for a lot of consumers. In which case, I can see the desire to hang on to one or two to play on it when there's not much out.
“So, after umming and ahhing, I've come to the conclusion that of all the mainstream consoles from the big three manufacturers, 'Switch 2' is the one that makes the least compelling case for really requiring backwards compatibility.“
Why, though? Why is backwards compatibility for the Switch 2 less important than other consoles? This article manages to not really say anything beyond its awful premise. It’s just clickbait, and hey, it looks like it worked.
I've built a massive catalog on Switch, far surpassing my collection on previous consoles (GBA, DS, 3DS, Wii, PS2) all combined. I have a launch Switch and even though it runs perfectly fine now, there's gonna be a day when it eventually stops working. For preservation sake of my library, really hoping the next console is backwards compatible but honestly, just being able to upscale games like Astral Chain or Zelda TOTK to run on higher specs is worth it alone.
Yes, yes it actually does.
Gavin: "I have an opinion".
Everyone: "No".
@AmplifyMJ I guarantee you'd still buy Switch 2 regardless.
These comments really make you take a look back and see just how damn annoying this discussion is. 1: Don’t ever say this opinion in front of any gamer if you value your sanity. They will NOT like you for it. 2: I agree (holy **** a true unpopular opinion? Surely you jest!) that the new console doesn’t absolutely NEED backwards compatibility. Would it be freakin awesome if it did? Of course! Is it a WANT and not a NEED? Absolutely. Rumors suggest the new thing uses cartridges as well so what’s stopping the console that uses cartridges from being backwards compatible with a console that also uses cartridges? Felt like that needed to be said. Again. Even if it wasn’t backwards compatible, Nintendo would guaranteed pull a Wii U and port the vast majority of the first party titles over anyways. You’d think this article title was “World War 3 isn’t actually a bad idea” with the backlash to this opinion.
@Bl4ckb100d 1000%.
Hey look guys it's an article! What kind of article you say? It's an article! Can't say much more than that because it has zero substance and is pure clickbait...
I actually never thought about it, but the aforementioned vulnerability is true, and was one of the main contributing factors to why both the Wii U and 3DS were so easily hacked.
To put it simply, modding a Wii U involves accessing the Wii. Modding a 3DS involves accessing the DSi.
Nintendo more than ever needs to prioritise backwards compatibility. I'm even tempted to say that it will be one of the most influential factors in the success of the Switch successor.
Booooo Booo. It does for me too
Like others have said. I will either not get it for a very long time, if at all. There is just too much for me to play on Switch. I wish they would let us know on that part soon at least. Just I have about a half and half collection of physical and digital. I don't know what will work, if any on a new console.
Having backwards compatibility for Switch 2 is essential, so much so If I break my switch I’d just buy another one. Backwards compatibility is the only reason I’d be down to buying Switch 2 day one. Or else I’ll get it years down the line when I’m done with the massive backlog I have on the switch, we’re talking 100’s 😏
Simple as, I won't buy another Nintendo console if I can't keep my current digital library.
This is a horrible take. You're only considering the immediate aftermath of the new console's release, and I think you're underestimating how many people trade in their old consoles. Even if I don't trade in my Switch, it's still a launch-edition console whose battery life has declined over the years. So yeah, I'd prefer to keep playing those games when I get new hardware, and I'm not going to buy another Switch just for that purpose.
Beyond that, you're not considering catalog access five or ten years down the road. We can see that now with the PS3; try to track down some console exclusives on eBay, as well as working console, and tell me the PS4 didn't need backwards compatibility. That's where we'll be once the Switch goes out of production.
It's such an absurd, near-sighted argument. We don't NEED a Switch successor at all, since we're making arguments just for the sake of being contrarian.
@Collinhall I had to sell my Xbox One S off a few years ago due to financial issues. Things finally stabilized and I picked up a Xbox Series X.
I have the Xbox 360 arcade ports of Shinobi and Altered Beast that I picked up on my old 360.
Not only did those games carry over to my new Xbox, my old save state files were also there ready to load.
That was honestly nice to see, and it feels rewarding that my years of investing in Xbox since the OG system not only brings many of my old games forward, but my save files as well.
It wouldn’t bother me if the Switch 2 didn’t have backwards compatibility as the Switch OLED is still a very capable console. Those who really want it will buy it, regardless, but it’s not like the original Switch will suddenly stop working.
Iwata implied in 2014 that the Switch successors will be backwards compatible:
”Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future.”
Source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/events/140130qa/02.html
While backward compatibility isn't absolutely necessary it does help during the transition period when few games are available. Being able to play older games in either higher framerates or with higher resolutions is a nice addition, and in some cases even higher-resolution texture packs. So I would think Nintendo if feasible and not too costly will be trying to implement it. In the past with Nintendo and even with PS2>PS3>PS4 there has always been issue with backwards compatibility generally because of switching over to an entirely different type of processor. With Switch this is more of an iteration jump so there really shouldn't be that much of a change that doesn't allow older processes to run. Granted unless you are running on the exact hardware there is always the possibility of bugs such as developers writing games to use resources differently than most, so timings in some games could be off, but again in some instances, it shouldn't take more than a developer releasing a patch to address these issues. So in conclusion I would speculate that backwards compatibility will likely happen as it technically shouldn't be that difficult and allows 100+ million user base to transition without needing to keep their old hardware.
... Blasphemy.
How many words are needed before this will post?
It should be backwards compatible imo. Period.
The only reason to exclude backwards compatibility is to scam us into buying a tremendous amount of these games a second (if not third!!) time. Re-releasing games has been a massive profit driver for Nintendo, and it’s one I doubt they’ll be ready to do without. Especially since Nintendo Life, who rarely seems like a properly impartial review site, is already trying to plant the seeds that it’s not necessary. I can’t think of any reason why ANY consumers should feel that way when it would be simple for Nintendo to achieve and provide massive value.
Surely this article is trolling in some capacity…
It really does for me at least... if it can do a PS5 for PS4 games, will be a great incentive to invest in the new hardware. I've bought a lot of digital Switch games and I'd like to carry those games over. If not, I'm certainly less likely to invest in 'Switch 2'.
Just because you don't think so, doesn't mean others dont want BC. I see no reason why it couldn't or shouldn't be? I'd like to bring the games I already own along.
@JamesTheFoxeArt an exploit could be found by using games for the Switch. 1+2 dude.
@hiptanaka I feel he was talking more in 2014 about how they wanted to streamline their software onto one platform. Which they have largely done with the Switch. In 2014 they had the Wii U and the 3DS and he talked about how it split their developer base between platforms, creating longer gaps between game releases on the multiple platforms. I think Nintendo has been largely successful on that front since the 3DS is now gone and we see it's games fill in the Switch release schedule giving us new Nintendo-developed games nearly every month.
I had to log in for the first time in ages to comment on just how stupid of a take this is. It'd be a lot harder for them to get the Switch 2 off the ground without it. Plus, every console SHOULD have backwards compatibility because that gives those games a lot more longevity. It's the biggest reason why I've come to think that PC gaming is so much better. I don't like having to own so many damn consoles.
I usually really like Nintendo Life, but wow, what a terrible article.
The Switch as a brand is still going strong, and Nintendo loves its brands. "Game Boy", "DS" and "Wii" continued as brands even after their initial console, so I suspect they'll continue the Switch brand in some form or another (maybe it'll be called "Switch Up" or something). As such, I think it'll still keep backwards compatibility.
I'm on this bandwagon. If I get the Switch NG, and I want for some reason, play any Switch game, I'd just boot up my Switch, there's nothing complicated with that, I don't know why people make so much fuss about backwards compatibility, the Wii U had it, and no one cared. What will most surely translate to the next console, will be the NSO apps, and the basic subscription service, that's all I need in terms of "backwards compatibility".
@Dr_Corndog "I don't care about not playing GameCube games on Switch, I can just play them on GameCube." This is a perspective that ages horribly with time. There would come a point where someone interested in playing "old Switch games" would pretty much have to resort to emulation. This is why I think Nintendo should start porting their older games to PC.
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This is an L take. I don't think I need to even say why, there's so many reasons.
@larryisaman this!
It does not NEED it. I honestly wouldn't expect them to worry about cartridge games. The digital, download, games though, NEED it. We already know one day the store will close. The storage system we will have will die. Those games we bought will just be gone.
Steam doesn't wipe our library just because we bought a better computer.
Switch 2 absolutely DOES need backwards compatibility. Maybe not for physical cartridges but it needs to be able to play games from previous consoles via the Nintendo Online Subscription.
This will earn Nintendo repeat business if players can access an online library of all their best old games at a yearly fee. It's good business practice for them.
Uh, yes the hell it DOES. It's the least Nintendo could support.
Must be nice to have all the room in the world to keep your old consoles, and to not have a need for the money you'd get selling them. Must be real nice.
@Nico07 Yeah, that’s probably the more important point. But he compares it to Android and iPhone, which are backwards compatible (to a certain extent).
I think it mostly comes down to whether the transfer speed and size limit of the current games cards is considered acceptable. If they can't get what they need out of the existing design, they may have to break compatibility to get what they need.
It should absolutely be backwards compatible. Many games (at least in the latest years) are struggling on the switch. To give them new life that they need is a good move. The Nintendo switch have the joy-cons which is really bad with a lot of stick drift. If the new console eliminate that or is at least a lot better, that will also be a really good move. Nintendo really need to please those who have problems with the Nintendo switch. They can always re-release all their games with included DLC.
With backwards compatibility that makes the games a little better, they can still sell the old games for a couple more years. The older games on the Nintendo switch will have a longer life. Sure, the console sales of the old Nintendo switch can have a negative effect. But the switch will be 7 years old, it will probably not sell a whole lot of systems after the release of the new generation system either way.
I'll join the chorus of people disagreeing with this article! With the long lifespan of the switch and the number of digital purchases I have, if the switch 2 isn't backwards compatible, there will be no incentive for me to buy it until much later down the line (probably when they release an OLED switch 2!). Xbox have shown the right way to do backwards compatibility in my opinion, and Nintendo needs to start doing the same thing
@cra1g0s let it sit in a drawer for too long and that battery goes. Capacitors die out. Look at the WiiU, people shelved them and found out 6 months later they just don't boot up anymore.
Storage will die without a doubt, and once the store is gone, you can't get anything back anymore. You didn't just lose your saves, you lost access to the games themselves.
Yeah no.
If piracy is the reason to not have backwards compatibility, then as soon as the switch2 is cracked, they've shot themselves in the foot long term.
If they want to sell the same games again on the new console then it's pure greed.
Old Playstation games can be played on Sony's new console. So can Xbox on Microsoft's. So can PC. Imagine if a new model of the Steam deck required you to rebuy all your steam games to run on it. If nintendo has no backwards compatibility at this point then it'll really hurt their sales.
If my switch eshop library of 200 games, mostly indies, doesn’t carry over I’ll never buy a non Nintendo exclusive on Switch 2
I'd argue that it's a necessity if they dont want to scare dedicated and casual players into the PC gaming market, which is only becoming more affordable and accessible by the year.
Like, between the more frequent game discounts, an evergreen purchase library, no subscription fee to play most online games, and the rise of handheld gaming PCs, more and more folks are gonna turn to PC gaming for the smallest reasons the Big 3 dissappoints them.
I'm not sure about that, so many will have large libraries and many of those digital, do you expect so many developers to port their games again to another system? Oh and don't give them another excuse to drip feed us NES and SNES games again.
One of the big reasons Xbox is in the position they're in, is that people built up libraries of games during last gen so went forward with the console that keeps them, it's also one of the reasons why Epic struggle to eat into Steam's lead on PC
@bstoppel physical isn't nearly as important. Physical backwards would be gold tier, at the very least, digital needs to follow along. You can always get another switch or Chinese ripoff, but you can't get the digital games back when your storage fails and the store closes out.
@Edu23XWiiU
Well, the Wii U didn't enhanced the older Wii games. Wii games didn't have performance issues. The switch games really need improved performance. There are several games that doesn't have a steady 30 fps in the whole game. Think if they could get steady 60 fps? That would be extremely good. I would easily buy a next gen switch on day 1. I was planning on buying a Nintendo switch, but i never did. Then i saw all the issue with the stick drift and performance issues and it wasn't even cheap in second hand.
It needs backward compatibility if they expect me to buy it before 2027.
I could feel my IQ dropping as I read this article.
At this point I only care about them fixing the drift in their controllers. That's it.
Don't even care about a big power upgrade nor about the games at release, as I know the good ones will come anyways
I'm really sorry, but you're either playing devil's advocate, or you know something and want to gauge the reaction first... hopefully it's just the former.
All I know is if the Switch 2 isn't backwards compitable I might skip that generation as a whole, or wait til there's like 10 exclusives on it that I must play.
It needs BC. For all the reasons mentioned by other posters. It’s especially key for those of us who invested in a digital library on Switch.
They’ve got no excuse. Plus Nintendo has a history of including BC with its handhelds. And the Switch is primarily a handheld despite many of us mostly using it docked.
I don't think any console needs to be BC with the previous generation, but at minimum its a nice PR win from the get go.
With a Switch Lite I'll probably just keep that handy for a long time. Depending on what the Switch successor is or isn't I may not get one at all or not for several years after launch - I got my Lite 3 years ago and didn't have a Switch prior to.
Yea i’m done with building up a library from scratch again. This needs backwards compatibility otherwise that is going to be a big mark against it.
I get that if everyone had the same opinions the world would be boring but... I disagree so hard. The 3DS's backward compatibility with the original DS was a huge selling point for me. I loved the way that the Wii could play GameCube games. It allowed me to play cheap second hand games. I'm buying a Switch 2 and trading in my OG Switch so I can still play my games but have the latest and greatest thing.
i got switch during hte lockdowns to keep kids entertained and to play with the kids. most games are to play with them. Switch 2 we can still play old games day one purchess. if not then unless both my kids asked for one for joint christmas present then it would be big no from me
I'd love to be able to play 30fps Switch games at 60fps or 120fps. That would be a dream come true! I really wish BOTW and TOTK were locked at 60fps or higher. Even 40fps or 50fps would be a very nice improvement if the new Nintendo console can set it's screen to those refresh rates ala Steam Deck.
Disagree. It must be. No BC = no buy.
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Imagine arguing in favor of having fewer features.
It needs to be backwards compatible to make these half-baked remasters to run properly
@AlphaElite If those "fewer features" meant cheaper price point, for something I don't really need, then I'm all for it, yes.
@EaglyBird If it doesn’t have backwards compatibility I probably don’t need to get it for at least a year or two.
I personally don't need it. If I wanted to play old games, I wouldn't be buying a NEW system.
And the out of touch award goes to....
We aren't living in the 80s and 90s, when the cartridge shapes and internal specs were so vastly different, in terms of size and performance, from the previous generation (i.e., NES to SNES to N64). That made backward compatibility incredibly difficult, although that began changing with the Game Boy generation, with original GB games being playable on the GBC and GBA.
We are now in the age of small tech and digital tech. At this point, there's simply no excuse for NOT having backward compatibility.
Backwards compatible:
GBA
DS
Wii
3DS
WiiU
Not backwards compatible:
SNES
N64
GameCube
Switch
(Not counting the NES and GameBoy as they didn't have predecessors in the same way)
Arguably Nintendo consoles have been backwards compatible more often than not, especially the "handheld" line. I'm guessing we'll at least see the option to patch 1st party games to work on the new chip architecture, on a game by game basis, as has been rumoured through Pokemon datamining. What this would mean for the Switch's huge indie library though, is what I worry about.
Click and comment for the editors self esteem. Done that.
Iphone shouldn’t be backward compatible. Everytime you upgrade you should delete your entire digital life and start again.
That’s not the way the world works I I think we are safe in Nintendos hand
Honestly, BC is going to be the single biggest deciding factor between purchasing a launch Switch 2, or just picking up an Asus Ally / Lenovo Legion Go.
I’ve already decided I’m going to get an Ally/Legion instead of a Ps5 at some point, because being able to play Game Pass, Xbox Anywhere titles like Starfield, old games like Leisure Suit Larry from GoG, and PC versions of Ps4/Ps5 on one device just makes so much more sense than buying a Ps5 strictly for PS4/5 games.
So right now I’m just saving up and waiting for more Switch 2 info. If it indeed is coming next year and has BC, boom I’ll get that. Otherwise this will be the first time since NES I’ll have skipped a Nintendo system launch.
Truly hope Nintendo realizes just how important this is for those of us who’ve amassed huge libraries both digital and physical. Personally speaking my library is over 400 titles now. I’m sure there are others in the same boat as me.
I am really hoping for backwards compatibility. It was already really simple for Sony to give PlayStation 4 players free ps5 versions. I hope Nintendo will do the same thing
Clickbait Hot-Take articles 101. Well done.
@larryisaman
Amen to that
i strongly disagree. with the huge install base of the switch you want that to carry over, you want people to feel like they're in your "ecosystem" i really don't think most people are going to want to start from scratch
How old are you? I guess you don't remember waiting months at a time for new N64 games. BC allows you to use your new system in between new releases. And don't think for a second that Nintendo wouldn't go back to that business model. Nintendo was about to go out of business after WiiU so they had no choice but to be consumer friendly. As long as they don't name the new system something completely stupid like "SwitchU" I doubt anyone will get confused. Only the "well actually" crowd enjoyed watching their N64-GC-Wii-WiiU's gather dust between big titles. The Switch 2 needs BC.
It should at least be backwards compatible with digital games. That was something that pissed me off when I upgraded from PS3 to PS4. I couldn't comprehend any reason why PSN games I'd bought on PS3 (I'm talking none-too-demanding games like Hard Corps Uprising and Moon Diver) were just not there on PS4 and couldn't be redownloaded.
Are there significant drawbacks to backwards compatibility? Most gamers seem to believe it's worth the expense, and so does Sony, and Nintendo to an extent.
This article is being romantically defiant of the modern gaming age. You build a library, you take it with you or you lose trust.
I didn't even bother to read the article. The title is pure hogwash.
It would be a real sad thing if the fantastic Switch library can't enjoy some performance upgrades on its successor console. Games with dynamic resolution (like the Xenoblade games) that were held back so they could run on the limited hardware spec could really use a resolution and framerate boost. I will super excited to see it if it happens. I am not expecting this to be the case though...
I will agree BC isn't a make or break feature, but Nintendo would be wise to include it. Having people locked into an ecosystem encourages them to stick with you when it comes time to upgrade. That will be much more important now than it was in 2017, with alternatives like Steam Deck and all the other handheld PCs coming out. People will be more reluctant start from scratch when they have alternatives with such a massive library behind them.
Am saying yes for reason. If you have collection of games. Its nice to play on new system
It needs backwards compatibility. This article feel like it’s really trying to sell some idea that really ought not be sold. I would guess that 99.9% of Switch owners would appreciate a token of goodwill in the form of BC.
I’m really curious about where the idea for this article originated…
I think one of the big reasons no backwards compatibility on Switch was accepted was that PC was the only most recent system with proper backwards compatibility at the time. Switch had none at all, PS4 had none at all and XB1 had a small selection of 360 games.
It's different now though. Series X|S plays all non-Kinect games that were playable on XB1 and PS5 plays almost all PS4 games.
As a result, backwards compatibility is now an expectation.
Like Gavin, my Switch isn’t going anywhere, so I can live without BC. Especially if NOT including it in some way saves on production costs.
Couldn't disagree more. Imagine having to lug around two handheld consoles on every trip if you want to play both older and newer games. Alternatively you can re-buy your entire library (at least what Nintendo will make available). That is a no for me.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, however, this author has lost their right to an opinion.
Lack of BC wouldn't prevent me from eventually getting the hypothetical "Switch 2", its presumable hybrid flexibility inevitably granted to a wide range of games not or no longer expected on Switch by now (native ports of Gen 9 cloud games, anyone?) - but I still don't see any default reasons not to expect it, given Nintendo's general track record and the debatable downsides raised in this article. Piracy concerns never prevented backward compatibility on 3DS when its predecessor had already been successfully "arfoir'd" for years (to the point of the same flash card tech proceeding to work on 3DS with minor kernel updates), and Wii U is still a single marketing SNAFU (Virtual Boy was one on so many other levels that marketing was the least of its concerns) that feels partly anomalous to this day - where casuals can be excused a "console-priced Wii peripheral" impression, the stratum routinely dubbed "core gamers" would have needed an odd spell of medium AND Google illiteracy to get stumped by what was quite evidently conceived as a crazy love child of Wii and NDS. Neither of these factors is tangible enough to rule out the marketing appeal of BC as an early adoption booster, especially for a successor we dare speculate to be much more similar to respective pastgen than Switch was to Wii U and 3DS.
And what else do people bring up in response? "You can never be confident with Nintendo"? Well, maybe tell that to everyone "predicting" new software and hardware from them on a monthly basis.😏😅
Not true! Since N is shady on release of the new system, then if someone invests into their library today and the system is not getting new games just one year later, that’s not ok! Also everything runs on the same engines today! No reason to omit backwards compatibility!
There’s too many performance issues due to weak hardware on the Switch. We tend to overlook this bc most of the time, we are happy to just have a port of a game on the Switch than not. But even Nintendo’s own titles are starting to struggle.
Nintendo is probably thinking that it can sell more systems by forcing people to upgrade, but I think the opposite will be true. I would rather wait for the library to grow if this is the case.
They don't NEED BC to run Metroid Prime 4 on the thing. They've done dual releases before. That was Sony's entire MO until recently, and let's not forget about the black Gameboy cartridges.
I never really needed BC on consoles, BUT have I explicitly enjoyed it on the handhelds, which Switch technically is.
If it seriously lacks backwards compability then I definitely will wait with buying it, unless they release the next Mario Kart game on it or something that's really enticing, but still then it won't be an easy decision for me.
We already know it's most likely gonna be a portable hybrid so I am pretty sure they will opt for a cartridge format, hence I don't see much excuse for it not to support backwards compatibility.
Who writes these stupid articles?! The quality of the content here is severely going downhill.
It was bad enough (but understandable) that the Switch wasn't backwards compatible, made worse that we couldn't rebuy the classic games (again) on virtual console AND instead required the online pass to access the selection of titles that the big N slithered out to us.
I think that the NSO in it's entirety is already a very likely candidate for being transferrable to Switch 2 since it's a service that grows in value and they will want to maintain the build up loyalty with customers. But despite that (and the obvious those amongst us that WOULD pay for a virtual console selection of titles to digitally own again once more... the Switch 2's secret weapon will be to have this library of accessible titles from day one. Sure, it's not "required" - but it would make one hell of an entrance from day one.
Digitally owned titles could be transferrable with the option to pay for the right to own the game on the new console (as many cross-gem titles have done previously), but if not, include the damn Switch cartridge slot at the very least.
Sorry but this reads like a Nintendo press release to me.
The main reason I started buying 3rd party and indy games on Steam instead of Switch was due to concerns over my library becoming obsolete yet again. I only need to look back at my 3DS library, full of great indy games, to be wary of history repeating as we move to the next console.
I'm tired of Nintendo expecting customers to buy the same game over and over again. With Steam you buy a game once and it's yours forever, on any compatible device; this has now become the expected standard and anything less smacks of exploitative business practice.
people saying the next nintendo console not having backward compatibility could make the switch library obsolete...... as if thats not how its been with consoles forever. at some point compatibility has to be dropped for whatever reason. the switch launched with no backwards compatibility and it was perfectly fine.
i'd be hugely disappointed to not have backwards compatibility to take advantage of the upgraded hardware, but it wouldnt be a dealbreaker by any means. though the worst case scenario would be a botw situation where the same game drops on both systems since the newer one doesnt have backwards compatibility...
I sorta agree that it doesn’t need BC. The switch pro gang wants a high powered machine and focusing on BC can cripple that especially if the successor is a hybrid and not a home console which has to worry more about what components are used and OS load to mitigate heat or battery life issues.
The switch is a small system. One that can easily be kept especially if the dock of the successor is compatible with both. I pretty much plan on keeping all 3 of my switches so BC is meaningless at this point for me. Of course for convenience I would love BC (even though I still have all systems NES forward) but if Nintendo was needing to cut corners to get a specific chipset out the door, then I am not adversely affected if BC is omitted.
BC doesn’t automatically save a system anyway. Didn’t save the wiiu and it had some of the best BC access one could get. Install bases will complain but most will still buy. Otherwise sony would have folded when the PS4 came out (especially with physical being more popular during that gen). As long as people want a product they will buy. And consumer desire is often more than the feature set of a product. Something that served the switch well when many were expecting a flop or at least not its runaway success.
This is a really bad article and anti-consumer take. It seems to be written for Nintendo rather than the readership. In the age of digital purchases, people want them protected and brought forward.
Yeah sorry, I agree with every single other person in these comments. The day the Switch 2 isn't BC is the day I buy a Steam Deck
Awful take. It’s a different world now, it is expected, it absolutely needs it to leverage its predecessor’s success, and it will have it, zero doubts on that.
I'm sorry, but you're just flat out wrong. Switch 2 having backwards compatibility is absolutely essential. Like, I'd go as far as to say it's one of the most critical things in Nintendo's history.
As Phil Spencer pointed out, XB1 and PS4 is where people truly started to invest in those respective ecosystems and amass a digital library. Switch is that for Nintendo's ecosystem. People have invested into the Switch and it's catalog more than EVER before in Nintendo's history, building up their own library of games both digital and physical. People expect that to carry over and will be beyond PISSED if it doesn't.
Switch has the most robust library of 3rd party titles - both AAA and indie - in Nintendo's history. If Switch 2 doesn't have BC, people aren't going to want to buy 3rd party games on it knowing that they most likely won't carry over to Switch 3 when they can go buy it on another ecosystem where they know it will carry over and they won't have to rebuy their library again.
Bottom line is that getting people to invest and stay in your ecosystem is a crucial aspect of today's gaming landscape, and the expectation now is that people's libraries carry over to new hardware. Switch 2 not having BC means that Nintendo's ecosystem would be the only one where that isn't the case. It would mean people won't want to invest further into their ecosystem and will look elsewhere for 3rd party titles because they don't want to rebuy their Switch 1 titles or eventually rebuy their Switch 2 titles on Switch 3, which in the long run leads to significantly less 3rd party support, MAJORLY hurting Nintendo's long term success.
I thoroughly disagree. It might lack the exclusives of other systems but the reason I stick with Xbox is because it allows me to enjoy my purchases going back 20 years.
Xbox to Series X, PS4 to PS5, subsequent iPhones and so on: the public is used to backwards compatibility being a thing now.
It would be Nintendo's second dumbest business decision ever after the WiiU if it decided to invalidate every Switch owners established software library.
I have at least 5 years of backlog to tide me over if they don’t want sell me a new system that I can migrate my library to. In this economy, game companies are going to have to emphasize value. Nintendo would omit backwards compatibility at their own peril.
For a smooth transition it does. The Wii U was a floppity flop, so there wasn't much ire about ditching discs. It won't go so well if they change format and ditch backwards compatibility again. The handhelds, aside from the 3DS to Switch, have always had some form of BC, and they shouldn't ditch it now.
EDIT: I don't even have to read the article to know a bad take when I see one. This take is about as bad as anything that Pachter guy used to say. Also, can we just call it the Super Switch for now? Switch 2 sound stupid, especially considering Nintendo never slaps a number on the end and keeps it rolling. Even the Wii U wasn't called Wii 2...
My uncle works for Nintendo and said Switch 2 will be BC but only with digital purchases ( not cartridge ! )
It doesnt matter to me since i always keep my consoles but BC should be a common feature for new consoles at this point. Is there any reason it shouldn't be? Is there a better feature that could take its place?
@Scoopz eventually, sure, day one? Definitely not.
The “From Nintendo’s point of view” part doesn’t really belong here as it doesn’t make the case from the consumer’s perspective on why BC is expendable since this only benefits Nintendo
I think it all depends if the next console is radically different or not. The switch was such a departure from wii u, that it was understandable after everything was revealed. If the next console is similar in function and form, and doesn't have bc as a feature, it could turn a lot of people off. Then again, a lot of people would buy a turd if it had the nintendo logo on it, for better or worse.
Though, the fact that wii u had excellent bc and still failed is a strong argument that bc doesn't matter, but I'm ultimately inclined to disagree with that.
I think lots of people would appreciate it though.
who ok'd this article
If they want to remain competitive and not severely injure the good will off the install base, it absolutely needs to be BC.
Sony and Microsoft both have full BC of their previous generation and if they don't, it will hurt them both with the current and potential future customers.
The author is right that it doesn't have to, but it comes at a steep price if it doesn't.
It absolutely does, simply to stop any re-releseas and hopefully force free performance upgrades. I want Nintendo to focus on moving forwards now, I'm tired of all the deluxe and ultimate versions of games I've already paid for.
Whether or not the Switch successor is backwards compatible will have a huge bearing on whether I buy it day one or not. If it's not, I will simply play the games I have and wait til the end of the new consoles lifespan so I can get it and the games super cheap.
If Nintendo didn't want Switch 2 to have backwards compatibility they shouldn't have relied so much on Digital Distribution.
Talk about bootlicking to Nintendo 🙄🙄🙄
This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen published here. Wow. Not cool.
I'll be keeping my Switch regardless, but Nintendo and other publishers have built up such an expansive library of classic games on the Switch that it would be absolutely insane to throw all that away and have all those games need to be ported again for them to keep being sold.
Backwards compatibile equals day one buy for me. No backwards compatible means I'll wait for a good while. And I mean a good while
Don’t think I’ll be buying a switch 2 for quite a while if it doesn’t have backwards compatibility.
I ain’t spending my hard-earned money on games I already bought again.
Can't wait for the next articles:
"Switch 2 Doesn't Really Need Analog Sticks That Don't Drift"
"Switch 2 Doesn't Really Need the Digital Voucher Program"
It feels like a sponsored article.
@AlphaElite Fanboys in a nutshell. I can't wait for the next article from this guy saying, "I'm fine paying full price again for the same games that were released on the old console."
Um...yes, IT DOES. If they want the giant install base of the original Switch to carry over, they'd better offer backwards compatibility. There's no way I'm buying my whole library again on a new system, and it would be nice to preserve said library on a console with a better battery/no joycon drift/better quality of life features. Not to mention, I'm sure once the Switch battery dies, that's it. You can't even play it attached to a dock or from an outlet on a completely dead battery. So I'd rather not have my giant library vanish into the ether someday. I know that I won't be purchasing a Switch 2 anytime soon if it isn't backward compatible. No way will I financially support such a smug "deal with it" move on Nintendo's part.
This web site doesn't really need this article.
What is bro waffling about?
@EaglyBird Assuming the Switch successor will play Switch games in higher resolution and FPS which there's no reason to believe will be the case, just in their original state.
Is this guy joking? It need backwards more it's the best thing on Xbox. Yes you would keep the console but most of the time the console has been collecting dust to the point it's at a high risk of breaking...
This is the age of backwards compatibility so either you bring it or you will lose a lot of custom.
If you were trying for the record on comments I think you might win. When Switch 2 is backwards compatible I will be checking stores daily for stock on launch, if not preordering. Otherwise I will drag my feet for a while.
The way games are going, with the ability to play pretty much anything anywhere, id say it is essential.
I know I wouldnt buy it if its not bc, i have 2 switches. I dont want more consoles. (I sell or toss all my old ones)
So you want Microsoft to be the only company that gives a crap about letting their users play older games? I hugely disagree with this take on principle
It needs it as much as the PS2 needed the PsOne back in the days.. yes that much, it would be a real bummer if it is not
Pathetic article.
I'd be surprised if it doesn't. Nintendo is pretty good about making their new consoles backwards compatible.
Yes it does. Stop this
Even the rumor of the next generation essentially downgrading from an OLED display will hold me back from buying. (Though to be honest, I bought my first Switch - OLED model - just 10 months ago and have a major backlog of games on that.)
@F_Destroyer I tend to forget this is one of the major reasons Ps2 sold so incredibly well.
Robust BC support is probably not necessary, but I do think not supporting it would be a pretty big mistake if they don't want the popularity of the console to become a millstone around their necks when the next device is released and they want to move people over.
I'll say this: the difference between bc and no bc is probably the difference between an early upgrade and a late gen upgrade.
Please don’t say things like that 😳
When the interns come out and write an article to attempt impress their colleagues.
@TheAbsol I'm guessing you meant to say "Wii?" Because after your comment I spent ten minutes trying to play Double Dash on my Switch, but I never could get the disc to fit.
Seriously, though, the statement you made is correct. I don't need to play Gamecube games on my Wii, and I don't need to play Switch games on the Switch U. That's not to say backwards compatibility wouldn't be a positive. It's just not essential.
"And then, of course, there's the ability to sell us last-gen games all over again! Hey, it worked for this gen with Wii U games, and Sony did nicely milking The Last of Us three times in nine years, so why not again?"
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the introductory course of "Being a shill."
If it’s not bc, I’ll just stick with my pc
Hot take......big, steaming pile of a take
@nessisonett,
In total agreement with you, the Switch 2 should be backwards compatible, and any suggestion it does not need to be, is pure lunacy.
Wow wish I had got here sooner. This argument SHOULD be irrelevant. People don't even know what they are talking about. Backwards compatibility means you can play Switch games, not that they are going to run any better. Most people seem to be assume the next system will support upscaling of old games, which is a completely unreasonable expectation, and arguing about how the next Switch needs that ... while calling that backwards compatibility.
The core argument is sound. If it means just putting in my cart and the game plays the same ... yeah, who cares of the next Switch has backwards compatibility? It's not a $600 PS5. Also if it uses the same dock I can just swap out the systems.
But here is the good news. The next Nintendo hardware will likely support upscaling of Switch games .,.. so we are likely getting BC. And I think people need to understand why we are likely getting this thing they want so badly!
Microsoft. Part of Microsoft's close relationship with Nintendo this cycle has been focused around online infrastructure (Microsoft hosts NSO) and infrastructure around around cloud gaming. As part of this, Nintendo and Microsoft worked together towards ensuring two of MS's more powerful software features, install anywhere and software scaling, where baked into most Switch titles. Remember that whole "Nintendo's future is not on their own hardware" thing? Microsoft shared their tech at no cost and even provided technicians support because they hoped (and likely still hope) Nintendo will move to a cloud based system, a system they will turn to Microsoft to build for them.
It's never simple. I don't want Microsoft to buy Nintendo (I have an essay on several sites about why Nintendo should buy Xbox, in fact), but it's interesting to see people argue about how something NEEDS to happen, how they are entitled to it, and how upset they would be with NINTENDO if it didn't happen ... when the literally reason we are likely getting that thing is that Microsoft made it happen ... and only because they are evil! If they weren't so evil and they weren't trying to set Nintendo up to be bought by them, it's extremely unlikely Nintendo software scalability would be a thing.
And if Microsoft went full evil and did own Nintendo we wouldn't be having this conversation. Microsoft has guaranteed this functionality on all future consoles until at least 2034.
Mad respect to any of the passionate anti-Microsoft people who refuse to buy the Switch 2 because of how MS have their evil hands all over the thing. Although somehow I doubt that's going to be a lot of people, and most are just going to be OKAY with the evil overlords as long as that evil is benefiting them.
Is this article supposed to be satire.
I want backwards compatibility so we don't have to start over from scratch with ports of old games. I think it would be good to leverage the continued brand/money already spent on developing software for Switch and move it forward to use to the next consoles advantage.
While I don't think backwards compatibility is strictly necessary to have a successful console, I think having it would be very good for us consumers and Nintendo long term. They might see not being able to re-sell copies of old Switch games as "upgraded/up-ressed ports" as a lost revenue, but I believe that is very short sighted and Nintendo is smarter than that.
If Nintendo doesn't include backwards compatibility on there next console it will be due to hardware limitations and making the console affordable rather than that imo. I think it is most likely that the next console is backwards compatible though, at least through backwards compatibility patches similar to PS4→PS5, where 98% of the games work, big first party games get free up-ressed next gen versions (just like PS5 and Xbox Series did), and some 3rd party developers might charge fees for you to unlock the next gen version but you can still play the old one
Backwards compatibility is huge for me; at least one generation on. Now, I feel it more with the Switch due to my 400+ digital collection on the eShop. That being said, at the minimum, if the Switch 2 still uses a traditional dock (in lieu of a dongle, which I imagine is quite possible) then I would simply ask that the original Switch be able to use the same dock. This way I can easily decide if I want to play Switch 1 or 2 games on my TV.
BC or I choose PS5.
So, is this writer claiming they're happy to re purchase every single game he loved on switch? I mean, who wouldn't want the switch successor to be back compat?
Have we come to a day and age where we want less for our money?
I'm shook. Someone check my pulse.
Was this article written to make people mad?
It's also funny that simply making the Switch 2 use the same dock would almost be the same as backwards compatibility.
When you get up to swap the game cartage with your original Switch game, swap the system with the original Switch.
EZ.
Idk, sure would be nice if TOTK ran better. 👀 (Presuming they could do the work).
If it’s not BC, then that makes a Steamdeck a lot more appealing. I can wait to play Nintendo’s exclusives down the road. I don’t want to keep having a Switch around. Also, a main pillar of this argument is that us “real gamers” keep our old consoles. That’s not the majority of Switch owners and I think many of them would probably like to trade in that Switch for an S2.
To be clear, this article writer is NOT saying he wants the S2 to not have BC. He is just trying to make the case that it isn’t necessary. And he’s right in the sense that nothing is necessary, but if we’re talking about market expectations, it seems many people expect it and would be unhappy without it.
@luckyseven
Yes. It's called Negative engagement. It's the source of, on average , 80 to 90% of a sites revenue. This article has more views and comments then everything else written in the past 2 days combined.
No one is clicking on an article to reply with "I completely agree with your well constructed argument". No one is reposing to comments with "I respect your unique and valuable point of view".
But you can get 100s of people to comment about how your mother should have died before having you with an article like this!
That's how you drive up the price of the ads!
Wow seems like you really messed up.
Nobody agrees with this stupid article.
Delet this.
I respectfully disagree. Sure, hardcore players still keep and play their old consoles. Me still playing a 3DS occasionally comes to mind. But the vast majority of people including the hardcore would still be very interested in playing older games on a new system with prettier graphics and frame rate. Even if they still eventually buy it, NG Switch not having BC would leave a very bitter taste in fans’ mouths and would hurt their trust in Nintendo after they’ve paid for so many Nintendo Switch games, especially if certain Switch games were resold again at full price! Thankfully, I don’t see this happening. NG Switch should have BC. It’s not going to hurt NG Switch’s identity because it’ll cut “technical ties” with the last system just by having better specs, but there will hopefully be more to it.
I think the problem here is that the rumors and speculation have made the next system sound like it’ll just be yet another Switch, but it should be much more than that. It won’t just be a souped-up Switch. That would be boring and out-of-character for Nintendo. Call them “gimmicks” but NG Switch will have unique features that might change the way we play yet again. That’s been the Nintendo way. It’s my hope that it’ll ultimately look, feel and play much differently than any of us thought. That along with the better specs will make replaying classic Switch games on it even more appealing.
I am only playing one game at a time - so I don't care for backward compatibility. I either play my Nes, SNES, GameCube, Wii, Switch on my TV or take my DS lite, my 3DS or the Switch with me (or the next console). All are ready to use so backward compatibility just isn't an issue people make it to be
I guess NL needed a low effort way to clickbait
I award you no points for this article or, for that matter, any case against backwards compatibility. May God have mercy on your soul.
This is the worst article I’ve ever read on this site. What a load of rubbish. This author should be reprimanded.
There's a few "factors" that would make me buy a Switch successor: Resident Evil 5 Switch version 60 fps update, because the PC version (Steam Deck) doesn't have the 8 extra characters the Switch/remaster version have in Mercenaries (United); Resident Evil 6 Switch version 60 fps update, because the 2016 remasters (2019 on Switch) are so much better than the original 2012 versions: them being too dark was fixed; turning of the awful QTEs actually works - it doesn't in the PC/Steam Deck version - (I would pay for these frame rate updates btw); I would also like a port of Resident Evil 4 remake that runs well through the entire game (unlike on Steam Deck) - and with higher detailed graphics (and better frame rate overall); Resident Evil Village on the other hand runs and looks really, really well on Steam Deck, so it doesn't need a better version on the Switch successor imo (see Nintendo - you're not alone in the handheld market anymore - just kidding I do like you Nintendo ).
I feel I'm quite modest in my requests actually, considering that a Switch successor will probably cost at least $350 in the US (and more likely $450 in my country); I simply have no real high hopes, that there will be any actual new software I'd be interested in (but I would buy a Switch successor to get the aforementioned "Ultimate Editions" of some of my favorite games ever).
Ok, enough rambling, I just needed to get this off my chest.
@HeadPirate Makes sense as this article feels like bait. Nearly everyone wants backwards compatibility for Switch and articles like this one make people mad, but hey free clicks = free money! On the other hand, cool Pearl pfp
I agree no matter what anyone says you are NOT buying a new console to play your old games on your buying a new generation console for the new exclusive games
I would argue that backwards compatibility is almost a standard now. Microsoft has it, and PS five and PS4 are compatible. Or at least, if not a standard feature that consumers are expecting.
It 100% needs it, if they want my business.
Yes, it does. If you leave behind the massive amount of people who already own a Switch then good luck with that. Backwards Compatibility is expected, if not almost standard with both the Ps5 and The Series-X/S having backwards compatibility. If the Switch-2 doesn't have that then it's in trouble. It need Backwards compatibility, simple as
@luckyseven
Thank you, my new friend!
Can't wait to see my girl again in Side Order, even if she is looking a bit worse for ware. I hope Off The Hook start touring again soon.
Are you right? Yes.
Am I real salty about it? Also yes.
I've been coming to NL for 10+ years.
This is the first time I've felt embarrassed for them.
Nintendo Life has been taking a lot of Ls lately, are you all actually ok or need "hate engaging" to make money with ads?
Saying the Switch 2 doesn't NEED backwards compatibility is pointless, because the Switch 2 is a luxury entertainment item, and luxury entertainment items don't NEED to exist at all. Video games exist because businesses WANT to sell them and make money, and because consumers WANT to play them. "NEED" is not a part of the equation at all.
What it comes down to is that the Switch 2, and all other video game systems moving forward, should have backwards compatibility, because it should be a standard... so standard that it isn't even thought of as "backwards compatibility". I mean, when was the last time you upgraded iPhones and worried about the data from your previous device moving forward Never, right? Do you think of upgrading your phone as a matter of "backwards compatibility"? Probably not, because there is just a reasonable expectation that it all move seamlessly from one device to the next.
This feels like a troll to get clicks. It would be massively anti consumer at this point in gaming to remove your digital library and try and resell it to you. I can confirm I wouldn't buy a new console if my all digital library doesn't transfer over
I disagreed with the articles premise so much that I couldn't even read past the third paragraph. It 100% needs to be backwards compatible with my online switch library or I'm not buying it. /End
I couldn't disagree more. Backwards compatibility would be essential.
@HeadPirate I can’t wait for SO either! I hope OtH will make more appearances in the future, would love to see all three idol groups together. And I just want to know how Pearl became a drone or what’s even happening with her (or Marina, where is she?!). But hopefully we’ll get more OtH songs in SO just like in OE!
Gavin, I appreciate your opinion and won’t accuse you of clickbaiting, but your own arguments in favour of BC far, far outweigh your arguments against.
Switch 2 doesn’t “need” BC in order to succeed financially, but from a consumer perspective, it does need it in order to be a great console.
For me, it's a pretty simple formula — if it's back compatible I'll buy Switch 2 day 1 and if it's not I won't buy it for years, if at all.
If it is a Switch 2 I expect it to be an improvement on Switch 1 — losing all my current games is not an improvement.
If, however, instead of a Switch 2, we get a Nintendo Vortex Holo VR, I don't expect or need back compatibility; that would be a totally different type of system rather than an improved Switch. Of course I may or may not buy that totally new type of device because what I want is a Switch 2.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the author. In my opinion, it's essential for the Switch successor to have backwards compatibility. The switch is such an exceptional console with a massive amount of games and it would be a shame that these games will be limited only to the switch.
As many have mentioned, the Switch's successor not having backwards compatibility will deter me from buying it immediately.
If Nintendo games came down in price naturally like every other game, I wouldn't clamber as much for backwards compatibility. But if you're going to charge full price for 8 years for the same game even when a successor comes out, you're setting yourself up at some level to be almost obligated to offer backwards compatibility.
Clear outrage baiting. Ignore and move on
Wow. This opinion piece sure is unpopular. I personally don't mind about BC. I play maybe 4 to 5 games a years and don't really go back to old ones. There's always an abundance of new experiences and I've been lucky enough to keep up with the ones i care about most. I've tried going back and playing games from my childhood on the virtual console but i never get more than a few hours in before dropping them. In some ways, for some people, i think this all about collecting and having things accessible but not actually using them.
@luckyseven
Both Alice Peralta and Rina Itou have been under contract with Nintendo without interruption since they first signed. While that MIGHT mean there is just a lot of voice work in SO, I'm cautiously optimistic we'll get a full album. Maybe even with some Dedf1sh collaboration tracks!
Did Nintendos investors write this article? Strange stance to take.
Bad take; it DOES need to be backwards compatible.
@EaglyBird Right?! That’s what make it so silly that it will release without cross play let alone saying it doesn’t need it, because let’s Be honest that’s what kinda saving PlayStations skins right now, their gen hasn’t even started yet lol! And like I said I probably wont consider the switch 2 for like another year lol.
It’s alright! Take your time! I dumped a lot on you lol!
Edit: heck backwards compatibility is one of the reason I got a ps5 anyway, is to play game I love on more powerful hardware, probably wouldn’t have if it didn’t LOL.
I believe it would be best for it to be backwards compatible.
This is the worst opinion I've seen on this website, very surprising.
My reaction to this article: (nothing against the writer btw, I still respect your opinion)
I'd say by the time the Switch 3, or whatever that's called, comes out it can go ahead and forgo backwards compatibility. I just think with the success of the Switch 1 and it's library, I see backwards compatibility as a boon rather than a curse.
That was a lot of words just to say you feel it's easier to get out a handheld to play than a home console. That's literally the only "for" argument you offered. Very strange article, to argue for customer exploitation.
"I'm going to buy it anyway" isn't an argument, though.
It's an ethical argument. If you believe that people in general need to stop buying massive amounts of landfill then you have to also support a fully digital future. In which case, having an infrastructure that ensures eternal backwards compatibility should be paramount.
I love the new satire articles, they're pretty funny.
Switch 2 Does Really Need Backwards Compatibility.
There.
Fixed it for ya
So we should just be good with buying our Switch games again or having to annoyingly swap between Switch 1 and 2 to play what we want.
Backwards compatibility is standard at this point with both ps and xbox having it so why shouldn't we expect Nintendo to include it. Terrible take.
Whether it 'needs' it or not. I would bet good money that it'll have it. I mean here's an obvious example of how it will certainly have backwards compatibility: the digital apps like the Switch Online apps, do we really think they're going to have to start over from square 1 with all of those, and we'll have to wait 6 more years before GB and GBA get added into the Switch 2 with new versions that would perform more or less the same as they do on the Switch 1? Gimme a break.
Talk about clickbait.
One of the more ridiculous articles form this site. It absolutely does if
They want to sell it to me
They want to sell it well in Japan where people are less likely to keep multiple consoles
Especially if the rumours of it being marginally improved are true
It would be absurd to write off the immediate catalog of their most successful console
Yah, they need it.
No I want backwards compatibility... i want to be able to play some of these almost unplayable games on a new faster and more powerful switch... don't fix what's not broken give us more of the same no gimmicks
@Dm9982
Those are great points. Microsoft is the current generation leader of BC. Their hardware release model is dedicated to it and they even go the extra mile to improve framerates and resolutions (for certain games) from previous generations. It's not perfect but they do BC better than Nintendo and Sony.
If the rumors are true and the Switch 2 offers DLSS than there is no reason it shouldn't be backwards compatible. It'd be a nice treat to see OG Switch games upscaled on the successor.
Unfortunately only owners of the Series X/S have witnessed a similar experience
This is such a non-take. Very long winded way to say "maybe it'll have it, maybe not!"
With how much of a push the Switch has had on digital sales compared to the Wii and the Wii U, it makes total sense to make the next system backwards compatible. People will want to be able to carry over their existing libraries and easily access them, and there's really no reason why that shouldn't be the case. Especially since Microsoft and Sony both did it, it would look pretty bad for Nintendo to NOT do it.
@Aphonic I swear this site has become 90% clickbait with non-content like this. Really frustrating. Can't believe people are getting paid for what's essentially a reddit ramble lol.
While a ton of Switch's have been sold, their durability, future screen issues, internal battery and Joycon reliability do not make me confident that Switch's will survive like other systems. Also not having the digital library continue on with future systems just feels like planned obsolescence to force redundant future purchases on new systems. The wii eshop library is dead, the wii u eshop library is dead and gamecube games are so expensive as the hardware gets more scarce. Nintendo Profited significantly this generation and owes their fans to support their past purchases to move forward with them. Nintendo used to be the king of BC, they should be again.
If this article was solely for clickbait purposes then success. Best get off that soapbox and stop shilling on Nintendos behalf. There are times where its better to keep ones mouth closed and be thought a fool then to open and remove all doubt.
I'm sure there's others like myself, whose library is mainly digital. Best believe I want to transfer these games right over to a Switch 2 and not pay ONCE AGAIN for a repackaged/remaster/deluxe edition.
Doesn't need it. Most casual gamers don't care. Most older gamers probably won't be that bothered because that's the way things were when moving generations. If it's not I'll just get another spare switch. Consoles last for years. I'd they didn't retro gaming wouldn't be that big.
So, after umming and ahhing, I've come to the conclusion that of all the mainstream consoles from the big three manufacturers, 'Switch 2' is the one that makes the least compelling case for really requiring backwards compatibility. Who can say what's in store — and I'd love to play all my current games on whatever the new system ends up being, and with a modest resolution and frame rate bump to boot — but if Switch 2 doesn't play Switch games, it's less of a deal-breaker than ever before.
One of the worst Article I've seen here. I guess you don't own the Library some have for Physical games. You talk as though Digital is the only future. I like to have my choices not someone decides for me and Nintendo better listen otherwise the Backlash won't be able hide on the internet if they do.
This article is the biggest TROLLing I've ever seen?? CLICKbait anyone???? If BC isn't need would you the article writer care to buy all my games MSRP and so I can use that money and get Switch 2 version games? Are you game for that if that is what one thinks. Some of us have a huge Library and I can guarantee you won't be saying that when you get Switch owners IOU so they can get paid for their Physical non-BC games so they can buy Switch 2 games.
Well done for drawing people in with the clickbait headline.
It really does need to be backwards compatible though, so let’s not f*** around any more than you already have.
I’m not sure if this point has been raised elsewhere in this sea of comments, but one thing I learned from my time with my 3DS, is that consoles, especially handheld consoles, die. They’ll get to the point where they can’t really function without constantly being plugged in (thus in effect turning them into weak consoles) and then eventually cease to function at all. So if you, like a lot of people have probably done this time around, have a large Switch library, and you aren’t able to carry it over via Backwards Compatibility, then that’s hundreds of dollars down the drain, and the loss of at least several titles that won’t be re-sold on the new system.
For this reason alone, backwards comptability should at least be seriously considered if not made a priority.
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Holy heck is this "soapbox" article bad. Lists botw as a reason why it's fine when it was put on one of Nintendo's worst selling consoles. The DS and Wii sold like fire because they had backwards compatibility and were just shilling out to sell extra copies like botw by releasing it on their worst selling console.
But hey gamers! Just trade your switch and your entire libra--what's that? Most of your library is digital and literally unable to be sold. Well sucks to suck I guess? Guess you'll enjoy that sweet 50 dollars off the 'switch 2' that game stop will give you. Aren't they just so generous.
Legit can't even fathom how out of touch you have to be to try and defend a company that has a track record of having some of the weakest launch titles for multiple systems. And you don't even mention anything like that in the article!
Wild.
If this next Nintendo console is actually a Switch 2 as has been rumored (and not a brand new concept with a big change in hardware architecture and/or media format), then I think not having backwards compatibility would be a big strategic error.
The author does a pretty terrible job at defending his position here. The only line of reasoning with some merit is the idea that Nintendo wants to stop hackers/pirates, but then again, if we look into the past, rampant NDS piracy didn't stop the 3DS from being backwards compatible with it.
I’m convinced this is engagement bait because wow, what a bad take lol
Nintendo must be starting to pay journalists to put it into the heads of opinion-forming gamers that backwards compatibility is not important.
The end of this story is quite obvious.
Nintendo wants to sell everyone the SAME GAMES, with a little extra nonsense here and there, at full price, AGAIN, AGAIN AND AGAIN, forever.
For me, I end my console buying cycle this generation.
Yes, I'm throwing in the towel.
I have 32 consoles stored here. I had practically all the consoles.
But honestly, I don't want to have consoles anymore.
STEAM won for me.
I have 2 very expensive computers and the Steam Deck. And on Steam, I have and buy games from all generations. It's the greatest backwards compatibility in history, with a historical list of achievements, statistics, all packaged in a modern and beautiful way... with a lot of added value.
This year I bought:
Steam: 58 games
Switch: 6 games (and cheap games, not $60 Nintendo games....I think there is no new Nintendo game i bought this year)
I put much more money on Valve than Nintendo.
I put more money on Microsoft and Game Pass than Nintendo.
From now on, I only intend to invest in Steam and Game Pass.
The only way I can buy a Switch 2 is with backwards compatibility.
If Nintendo starts charging for every game I have on the Switch to be backwards compatible on the Switch 2, or anything that charges $$$ for games I already have, I'm out... and honestly, I'll be out and happy.
Aw Gavin, don’t encourage the suits. There’s nothing they like better than selling us the same stuff over and over… 😓
You’ve made some valid arguments, but ugh, what an unpleasant outcome that would be.
The disappointment and backlash in Nintendo’s biggest markets would be seismic.
“Please understand” wouldn’t cut it!
I personally play docked almost exclusively, so AV center real estate isn’t as negligible for me as it is for you. And I don’t know about you, but I’ve overinvested in Switch games this gen - I need more time to get my money’s worth! If those purchases for me and my kids don’t carry over to the next console, well, the decision to upgrade would go from “automatic” to “wait and see.”
And man, would I feel betrayed! 😡
yeah that would be a big mistake. if its not backwards compatible im in no hurry to upgrade personally.
I have to strongly disagree with this article, so much so that I a Pure Xbox regular am now posting to Nintendo Life for the first time ever.
I only got a Switch Lite last year, but by gosh has Nintendo charmed me over in that time. I’m working my way through BotW and loving every moment, I’ve half completed Mario Odyssey, I’ve played Links Awakening, I’m constantly on Mario Kart 8 when I have short moments of free time, yet to start Triangle Strategy though I bought it based on the Demo. I want to try Luigi’s Manson, Pikmin, Astral Chain, Xenoblade, Pokémon Legends, Mario Wonder and so much more! I have never been so excited with Nintendo since my old Gameboy lol.
Point being I have already said Switch 2 would be a day one purchase for me because I want to still play the absolutely insane Switch 1 library that I have to get through, presumably at better frame rates too. It’s a no brainier that it HAS to be backwards compatible, no excuses in any shape or form why it should not. Unless Nintendo really wants to flush years of building up a sizeable user base down the pan.
Tldr:
Switch 2 backwards compatible - Day One purchase, I become a full fledged Nintendo fanboy.
Switch 2 not BC - I don’t buy it. Ever. Will finish my library on Switch 1 and I go back to ignoring Nintendo for another decade or more.
I look forward to the opposite of this article being published sometime soon.
While I understand that we can always play switch games on switch, I hope to see that the switch 2 will be an upgraded handheld, with better build quality, better buttons a proper D pad and more sturdy thumbsticks. I don't like the sound of creaking plasitc or the feeling of a handheld bending in my hands as I play it. I doubt my 2nd Switch will last more than a few years and I won't buy a third. If the Switch 2 is a nicer experience to play, and better quality, I would like backwards compatibility. If it is as flimsy as a Switch, and has no backward compatibility, I might opt for Sony's streaming tablet or something. PS5 and Steamdeck have quite a lot of backwards compatibility.
Strange that people think they must rebuy games if there is no backwards compatibility. Just play Switch games on Switch. That said, I'm not buying a Switch 2 without backwards compatibility because Nintendo would try to resell old games as "deluxe", and I would probably buy some of them. Ahh, I see the point.
Backward Compatible: Day 1 purchase.
Not Compatible: Won't buy anytime soon. Not spending that much money to only play a couple of games.
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See the biggest issue people aren't thinking about is the fact we know that if the Switch 2 isn't backwards compatible then Nintendo WILL make us pay $70+ to rebuy our games with little to no upgrade. It's Nintendo. Also how are they going to resell this to the millions of parents buying these for their kids? Parents won't buy these once they realize they're buying the same exact games for their kids again! How many times does Nintendo think they can get away with reselling Mario Cart 8 and Smash Bros Wii U and "New" Super Mario Bros? You and I might pay but in this economy, every day parents won't.
I know a lot of people here think backward compatibility is super important, but we are enthusiasts that don't necessarily reflect general consumers. If you look back over the last 40 years, there seems to be little/no connection between systems that were major successes and ones that had backward compatibility. So for a lot of us here, it would be lame if the next system can't play Switch games, but from Nintendo's perspective as a business, I don't think it really does matter that much. The real question is how close in form factor will the next system (and its controllers) be to the Switch? That will probably determine if they are compatible.
@Rottytops knowing what we know about sites like Rotten Tomatoes, all I could think of while reading this title was how much the writer is being payed off by Nintendo to convince people this is a good idea... id hope that's not the case but I've also never seen so much hard work out into a propaganda piece.
@Turbo857 I had every Xbox each Gen, amassed some digital purchases through it all. I owned an XB1 for about 4 months, but hated how slow it was compared to my PS4. So I gave it to a friend and his kids. When Series X launched I debated for about 3 months if I wanted a Ps5 or X. Ended up with X when i realized I would instantly get access to my old games again, plus 2 years of GPU. Was a no brainer at that point, as all the ps5 was going to get me over my PS4 Pro was more stable ps4 games and (at the time) promise of new titles in the future (there wasn’t anything at launch I wanted). Still haven’t gotten a ps5 yet, and now I’m debating that or an Ally/Legion Go.
The power of backwards compatibility and easier access to past and future titles is an extremely extremely important aspect of gaming and game platforms now days. With large digital libraries and the guarantee that hardware will eventually fail, I’d argue that it’s actually one of the most important aspects of system design now days.
Games are fun, entertaining, and art, all at once. Backwards compatibility helps to preserve it. I’ve been through the 80s and 90s, seen a lot of games / IPs get lost over the years. (Robowarrior anyone?) And with these massive digital storefronts…. It’s truly a sad thing to see them not only close down like the 3DS recently did, but knowing that if my 3DS goes belly up, I won’t be able to access those titles again unless I get lucky and find a good condition 3DS replacement.
Wii, Wii U, 3DS, Vita, Ps3, 360 etc can all still access their purchases, but only so long as you have the hardware to do so….. Microsoft I feel was the only one of the bunch that had the foresight to realize that might be an issue…. The fact that I can still access my past titles is truly amazing. Something I haven’t seen since I last was a pc gamer - about 17 years ago. There’s just no excuse to not have BC when MS, Steam, IOS, Android, etc have all shown it’s the right choice going forward. Plus as I said, games can be evergreen. I’m positive there are people still purchasing 80s and 90s pc games from GoG, or Fallout NV for $3 on Steam. You’d think developers and publishers would help push all the console companies to adopt the same approach. Though a major store front redesign would be in order for most platforms, lol.
I'm going to be blunt: I'm not an enthusiast. There's a handful of games I want to play, and that's... basically it.
Backwards compatibility is absolutely a key selling point, and I'm actually kind of baffled by the idea that it could possibly create risks for piracy and all because hardware issues on the previous version. I don't want to have to wait years to see if they'll get around to releasing a port. Or a new version.
I'm flat out not rebuying, either, and you are out of your mind if you think I'll keep both consoles around. I may be spending time living out of a suitcase and this would actually be such a hard deal breaker that I'd be hitting the high seas.
And, to be honest, I think Nintendo should actually go with no more new eShops, and just eventually they offer an emulator so you can play games that don't have backwards compatibility and will probably never really get a port either. (They could also have the backwards compatibility be always through the emulator & you get it for free, and as long as you've got a digital copy you can play the game.)
Is NL trying to condition us into thinking no backwards compatibility is okay?
I agree that backwards compatibility is not a huge requirement. It's often a feature way over hyped because we typically move onto new games very quickly and rarely go back. The Switch 2 could offer a different form of backwards compatibility anyway: hardware! Imagine if all you needed to do was slot your old Switch in the Switch 2 dock and everything, including controllers old and new, just worked. It sounds very feasible.
PS: You're looking for "version" or perhaps "model", not SKU. An SKU is a product identifier, typically a barcode, and there's probably dozens for the Switch, like the OLED would have a separate one for each colour. Same with a game like Pokemon Scarlet and Violet: a separate SKU for each variant, even though we regard them as the same game.
Backwards compatibility would make it a Day One buy for me. If not, the opposite - I can wait and have plenty left on the regular Switch to finish.
The 3DS died the day the Switch released. Tons upon tons of people said they refused to turn on their 3DS to play something even they wanted to play (I'm talking Samus Returns) because "3DS isn't the cool system anymore and it's dead".
Switch 2 needs backwards compatibility.
What’s it called when you say something you don’t mean just to get attention? That’s this article.
Another day, another crappy NintendoLife Soapbox take.
Is it possible that there won't be backward compatibility? Sure. Would I be shocked? Yeah, kinda, if I'm being honest. Nintendo sold more software for the Switch than any other Nintendo console by a mile. I think they might be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't because so many people have their digital libraries on the Switch now.
Apparently Nintendo fed this opinion piece to NintendoLife in order to test the waters. Nintendo must be seriously considering not offering backwards compatibility.
Does it need to be backwards compatible to sell well? No, probably not.
But does it need to be backwards compatible? Yes. And there’s no excuse for it not to be.
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I've never been pushed to comment this before on this site, ever ...but this is just an awful 'article'. No offense, but ...what is this absolute tripe? It's pure engagement bait. I really expect better from this site and may consider leaving if this becomes a trend.
To be honest, though, I've never really liked these soapbox things, but none of them have actively pissed me off as much as this one did, just from the title alone. Please do better.
What on earth are you talking about? You made no points from the consumer to why this is the case. Was this written by a marketing intern at nintendo using chat gpt for the first time?
@NorthwestEagle Indeed. This community is the main reason I'm even on here. So many wonderful, chill people to share a common hobby, excitement and knowledge with.
@Ironcore It really does feel like propaganda lol
After what Nintendo did with the 3DS this genuinely concerns me. The switch is my first console in 10+ years and I love it! I have a huge amount of digital games (curse you eshop sales). I have recently decided to stop buying digital games because I’m worried that in a few years Nintendo will close down the switch eshop. Switch 2 backwards compatibility will be huge for me! I’m honestly hoping Nintendo will just make a switch pro that will upscale switch games. Fingers crossed!
Sure, throw away Super Mario RPG remake, Wonder and Tears of the Kingdom locking them to Switch. Honestly, BC should remain a thing forever from now on, as far as I'm concerned, at least for all the most essencial games. Got it once? It's yours, even though you can buy remakes down the line if you wish, and it plays in the latest system. That would be my dream.
This article is also the “me when I purposefully spread misinformation on the internet” meme lol
Digital backwards compatibility is easy. As for cartridges, if Nintendo doesn't want a 2nd cartridge slot or a multipurpose cartridge slot, they should stick a switch cartridge slot on the dock and have 24hr validation for portable play of a digital counterpart game. They will lose money if they don't have backwards compatibility, more money than they lose from people using backwards compatibility to duplicate a few games they own. If I was Nintendo, and a cartridge slot was a financial impossibility, I would allow people to replace their games with a digital counterpart using their original switch and Nintendo account plus an element of "trust". Maybe, for people with more than 20 cartridges, ask the player to reinsert one of the cartridges after 6 months to prove they still have them all. Sure, some people will pass carts around their friends but these will be last gen games. Surely all the focus will be on the new games at this point.
Would I buy a Zelda Deluxe that combined BOTW with TOTK on the next system? Would I buy Metroid Dread 2 which includes a HD version of Samus Returns plus two extra bosses? Would I buy Mario Kart Super-Deluxe with all DLC or Smash Bros with all DLC, the answer is yes, possibly on a sale, even though I really shouldn't. Would I buy the same games with just minor changes in resolution or frame rate for $60? No.
Keep telling yourself it doesn't need to be. Maybe.......you will start believe that. Sorry a bit of a ridiculous article. It should be
The Switch 2 not having backwards compatibility would be Nintendo signing its death sentence before it is even officially announced. Not happening. Not this time. It'd be the single worst business move of all time.
Now, just how backwards compatible it'll be is another question. All first party titles will definitely be supported and the most recent ones, like TOTK, Wonder, RPG, TTYD, etc. will get the fancy next gen patches later on upping the resolution and frame rate. Third parties is the real question. It'll probably function similarly to how Sony is doing it, with it being up to the developers to actually check if their games work alright and update them as needed.
@NorthwestEagle I suppose you might need to choose one console or the other? No need to play every game you own when on holiday. Do you still carry your 3DS PSP and Atari Lynx when you go on holiday?
Article is dumb. The #1 reason we need a Switch 2: play Switch 1 games at acceptable framerates. We’ve been waiting and waiting for constant 30 fps…
@NorthwestEagle I can't lie, I kind of do. Not to mention every book I have ever read too. Holidays are really difficult.
It didn't read the full article and I don't have to...
No the Switch 2 does not need backwards compatibility.
But consider this, most likely it will run on Nvidia hardware similar to that of the Switch (but more powerful)
Developing backward compatibility would be relatively simple, if they do not develop their own backwards compatibility then they give the hackers another reason to hack the systems and develop a Nintendon't like solution. (This is not what Nintendo wants)
And why wouldn't they? Backwards compatibility would ensure that units would fly off the shelves and if done right then it's easy money for devs as they could release cheap next-gen patches for their existing games, till will ensure a flow of money until they are done with whatever new stuff they are working on.
I can't really see any reason why they wouldn't go that route if they are indeed putting another Tegra chip in the new system.
Doesn't make any sense not to do it. since they can still earn lot's of money on existing games trough both next gen patches and new generations of gamers who gets the games for the first time.
It would be a missed opportunity
An about the hacking risk.. hmm..
Yes there is always a risk, but have you noticed that even to this date the only means we have of hacking a Switch is through hardware exploitation rather than software? I say it now once and for all, this thing will not be easy to hack.
Yes in the past there has been instances where backwards compatibility has been used for hacking a system.
However I do not think this will be the case with a switch 2, If they do it right from the start then they will designs the system in a way that it plays Switch games through a compatibility layer that has very restricted access to the system.
It should only include functions you need to play the games, not the entire Horizon OS like on the Wii U with the Wii mode.
Just the bare minimum do get games launched from a Home Screen.other than that I'm quite sure that Nintendo and Nvidia will try their best to improve the security from the last system, so I do not expect an early exploit like on the Switch.
That was a mess up and they likely learned a lesson from that.
There is so much games on the Nintendo Switch console. İf İ can not play Tears of the Kingdom, Bayonetta 1, 2 and 3, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and the others. İt feels very sad. That is true.
Nintendo have done this before with Wii you can play Gamecube games and with the Wii U you can play Wii games too. İ hope you can play Nintendo Switch games on the Nintendo Switch 2.
İ do not know what will Nintendo do.
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@sixrings The author indeed created a firestorm. Mission success!
@Dr_Corndog yes but most people that buy the Switch 2 aren’t gonna be holding onto their OG Switch model. They’ll trade it in towards Switch 2 on release day or trade it in sometime shortly after. Which is why backwards compatibility and ability to redownload my old Switch purchased digital games should be required
It's need to be backwards compatible. The article is not good. This is what we gamers want. New games in a new system but still have all these library played enhanced if it's possible. We don't like the treatment - new system and forget all your past games. Apple and Google do this in some way with the apps / games.
This article is almost in as poor of taste as NLife's "LatinX" article, almost.
In your opinion, it might not necessarily "need" it, but I'd rather not have to buy "remastered" Switch games for the successor console. Nor do I really want to hang onto my Switch, when all the Switch games I own could be all conveniently played on a single console.
It also helps when getting a new console, I'll have assets to trade in for a better price.
In foresight, it would be unwise to not make it backwards compatible.
Nintendo would be insane not too make the next switch backwards compatible. People are invested, and a fair few are probably on the tipping point of jumping ship if they have to start over AGAIN.
I've personally stopped buying all but the essential big hits on the switch because I'd rather have them elsewhere, where backwards compatibility is much more guaranteed (Steam deck/PC primarily). Even those big hitters, I'm playing slower, in the hopes that I can play improved versions on the next Nintendo console. I think for me, backwards compatible with some kind of upgrade path for currently owned games (preferably just free switch 2 updates) might be the most important feature to me at this point.
You don't want to be outclassed by hackers before the game releases, with 4k/60fps versions? Then make that a reality on your own hardware - close the gap and remove a large reason people want to play the games on other systems.
Haven't they sold over 100 million too? That is a BIG user base that would be far more willing to be early adopters if everything they have bought can be used still.
May not be important for Gavin Lane. But for those who have build up a digital library of 100 games, who are selective with what they buy, who save up to be able to buy, backwards compatibility would be crucial.
I’ve got such a backlog of Switch games that I still need to play / purchase, that if the next console isn’t backwards compatible, I’ll probably just end up putting off getting one for months until I eventually feel the need to pay out for the newer console to play the latest games, might even be able to get it cheaper or second hand by then.
If I can just simply upgrade and shift all my physical and digital games over to a new and improved Switch console, then that could very easily be a launch purchase for me.
I hope the switch 2 will have backward compatibility...
It needs to be backwards compatible more than any previous console especially for preservation purposes.
Lets be honest, the joycons are the least reliable controller Nintendo has made. The Switch 2 undoubtedly will have a new controller which in the future will make joycon drift and such failures irrelevant
Its also a portable/hybrid system, not a standard console. As soon as 3DS stopped production the systems and games went UP in price. A N2DSXL console USED goes for the price of a new switch. This hardware gets damaged more than consoles, screens get scratched etc. its going to be less likely Switch consoles will be preserved as well as previous Nintendo consoles
If its not backwards compatible i will never buy digital from Nintendo again
Nintendolife must know something if they are making nonsense articles like this
Just realised only thing i really need is the dock to be backwards compatible.. if i can put my old switch in it, i don't have to keep a new setup.. oh and the controllers would be nice
@Krytture I think you’re probably right but I don’t retire my consoles, except I recently fired up my PS4 after storing it in a cupboard for a couple of years and it died on me, but all my older Nintendo consoles are plugged in and ready to go..!
I just don't want Nintendo to make a new console just to resell me all the same games and based on how many ports we've had I wouldn't put it past them, Iif switch 2 isn't backwards compatible.
@locky-mavo Oh god, I'd missed that article.
I simply can not find the words to properly and politely describe how much I disagree with this article.
If this is ragebaiting then well done! Otherwise please sit in a corner and think about what you have just unleashed upon this god forsaken world.
@romanista It would be really nice if they sell just the tablet on its own with no joy cons or dock, would make it easier to entice people to upgrade if they already have a Switch. Just depends on what they’re planning to do with the dock power wise or if any updates to the controllers are necessary for new games- plus that’s assuming the new one can fit in the old dock. Not holding my breath but it would be great
Backwards compatibility is and always will be a must. I don't understand why there's even a discussion about it. It's simply a must, end of.
@nessisonett Going by the comment count, it worked. Lol
@locky-mavo Do you have a link to that? I'm curious to see it.
so much stupid nonsense in the article... lack of tech knowledge and dumb consumer mentality, maxed out
Funnily enough, the article spends more time on, and makes a better case 'for' backwards compatibility.
The only reasons you put forward for why Switch 2 doesn't need it are piracy due to a flawed chipset, which carries no weight as that vulnerability on Switch has already been taken care of. The second point about Switch being less bulky than previous Nintendo hardware, thus it isn't as much of a chore to go back to, and doesn't take up as much space in your entertainment centre, is weak at best.
Strongly disagree, I have hundreds of games for the switch and would be highly peed off if 1. I cant play them 2 Nintendo takes the opportunity to 'remaster' them and try to get me to pay for them all again
What an awfully argumented article. Sorry, it DOES need BC.
Really needs it in my opinion. And I hope it continues going forward too. Hardware, even well made stuff, generally doesn't last forever and it becomes harder and harder to find repair shops and parts as time passes. Backwards compatability, at the least digital backwards compatability, can help to alleviate this.
Of course it doesn't - how else is Nintendo going to fleece is on selling is the same games again, with $10 extra for performance improvements?
I think it will be a stupid idea not to be backwards compatible. Especially in the first year when there isn’t as many games coming out. Speaking for myself, I’m more likely to get it if it is back compatible, if not I’d probably give it a year or two.
I know it’s a soapbox and the site needs to generate clicks but this is just silly. Most of us accept the site needs to generate as revenue but I also think there’s an expectation of a reasonable standard of article. This is the worst kind of clickbait. Don’t do this.
Switch 2 not being backwards compatible in 2024 would be commercial suicide BTW. As I’m sure the author well knows.
No backward compatible, no sale
It NEEDS to be bc. Why? Because the switch has so many arcade ports that having more time to continue with that trend will help to make it the definitive retro game machine. Just saying. All the arcade archives games, all the incredible collections... all gone just because no bc. I mean, come on, are you trying to make me buy them again? No, ***** you.
If Nintendo wants the Super Switch to sell gangbusters and it has the same form factor and USP as the original then BC is essential IMO. If BC isn’t included the first year of console sales will likely be slow especially if they don’t release new genre defining games like BoTW was for the Switch. Metroid Prime will sell no doubt but it’s unlikely to sell as much as Zelda/Mario/Pokémon etc. Having said that we have no idea what they’ve got up their sleeve. Their next device may not be BC because the games are beamed directly into our brains - we have no idea. I jest but you get my point.
Perhaps the gentlest, kindest attempt at trolling in the history of trolling.
Switch was not BC, and Nintendo just rereleased their older games at full price with the ‘Deluxe’ badge. Yet, people kept flocking to buy these games, with Mario Kart 8 Deluxe being the best selling. The Switch 2 will do fine, with or without BC
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Yeah, they were quite quick to lock the comments. Already locked when I happened to stumble upon it.
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Switch 2 will be backwards compatible period. The NSO will carry over as well and be expanded. I’m we are to far into the future for this to not happen and are getting closer and closer to all games going digital and being in a paid platform subscription. Gaming is going the way tv has and is very sad.
I am a collector and even have all my systems hooked up but honestly I find myself not playing them (except the first three gens of Nintendo). There are just too many newer games to play and not enough time.
It does if they want my cash on day 1 and many others. Say what you want about Microsoft and Xbox, but if they have nailed something is their BC. Xbox platform is iterating and looking to bring everything the previous machine supported.
In the age of webshops and digital downloads it really is anti-consumer to not include backwards compatibility. There should be an emulator and if you paid for it, then you can just run it in the new console via the emulator using a digital download. Then sure, charge for a patch to upgrade it to the new hardware.
I also strongly disagree and no need for me to say why when all the comments above have already stated all the reasons in detail, but why even discuss this in the first place considering Nintendo's history with backward compatibility?
I always give the benefit of the doubt but...
Nah. It needs it to give these older games with unstable 60fps a boost.They also need to unlock the framerate on some of these old games so they actually run well on a newer Switch.
It's unlikely to need it, and it's unlikely to have it.
Wii didn't need backwards compatibility to succeed, and Wii U wasn't saved by having it. GBC, DS, and 3DS adoption rates are not particularly apparent as having been influenced by it.
The feature undeniably pleases a select amout of users. But it is cumbersome to guarantee from a technical standpoint, and it might limit the design of the new hardware. Meaning some users might be disappointed if backwards compatibility takes priority over presenting the audience with something truly new.
It may be a controversial opinion of mine, but I don't want the eShop games to carry over to new hardware. Whether or not it's technically feasible. The eShop is a sordid mess by now, and I'd much rather follow the development of a new fresh platform, than hear people complain about which of the 4500+ existing titles haven't been patched to run 4K 144fps.
Backwards compatibility is literally the single most important consideration for me. The difference between buying it day one or not bothering to get one at all and just picking up a steam deck instead.
If the system isn’t backward compatible, why would you think any of the NSO offerings would just be there? If they’re starting over on one thing, they’re starting over on everything, including however they’re emulating games to play on new, incompatible hardware.
I would much rather see them employ techniques used by Microsoft to get more out of past releases on new hardware, allowing backwards compatibility while boosting performance with little extra work on the backend.
BC is a consumer-friendly feature that is a good first step in the right direction for any piece of new technology. Unless they can show a good reason why they need to abandon the previous generation, they would be wise to include it.
I guess they don't want to miss out on all the remakes and remasters they can make with all the profits it will give them 🙄🙄
If it doesn't might as well consider this Wii U 2 since it will give too little reasons to upgrade since a lot of people already have too much to play on switch anyway.
Literally all competition have BC now, it would simply be a d*** move. Also consider that the biggest reason we didn't get BC with 3DS was change of form factory which I can understand.
If they don't do BC might as well get a steam deck and start emulating switch instead of upgrading.
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I typically don't revisit games once I've moved on; but it probably should be backwards compatible if they cared about their fan base.
Is it easier or harder with people purchasing more and more games digitally?
I've been on the fence anyways about upgrading when the time comes. No BC would be a deal breaker for me
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Why would Nintendo make it backward compatible? As a business, the fans will pay full price for direct ports of Switch games.
@WOLF13 I doubt it. Wii U ports made sense because that was a such a failure of a platform and its games had so much untapped sales potential. Switch doesn’t have that issue.
If anything if they want to make money off of old Switch games then backwards compatibility is the way to go since they can still market them for Switch 2 without funding new ports and they can update them to take advantage of new specs and charge for the upgrades (not a popular idea but better than having to pay full price for new ports).
@larryisaman : I would rather have a situation similar to the Game Boy Color where some games for the newer system are compatible across both consoles without the need for separate cartridges or SKUs, with the Switch 2 essentially running the same software but with a higher clock speed, resolution etc., similar to how Microsoft have handled the newest generation Xbox consoles.
But Nintendo would need to be clear with labelling the games to alleviate confusion, perhaps marketing them as "Switch 2" games with a "also compatible with Switch 1" or vice versa.
I also can't see Nintendo abandoning the current cartridges as it would make no sense to R&D a whole new storage format when the existing one already has the potential to expand (while UHD Blu-rays are limited to 66/100GB).
They're a good physical size (not being too small) and also capable of running the latest and greatest games without installation requirements, an important distinction that the dedicated home consoles lack.
Yeah definitely a hard disagree from me also.
I'm definitely all for the idea of working towards making console gaming more "future proof" helping to preserve peoples gaming libraries as much as possible.
also hoping that with the account system that previous digital purchases would be available to download the moment you link your account, or just being able to simply transfer them.
if convoluted processes or other such things are considered "nintendo-style" then im hoping this would be one area where nintendo would be less "nintendo" (same when it comes to things like that limited digital thing or having games exclusively tied to a service)
really backwards compatibility is my second biggest want with the "switch 2" second only to it being a "switch" (as in supporting handheld, TV, multiple types of control options etc) especially with the switch being the only dedicated handheld console (with most similar devices being portable PCs)
Yea except it does.
395 replies? Is that a record for this site, on a single article? (eg one that isn't a list that's updated across a span of months or years)
Crazy engagement on the topic tells you just how important this particular aspect is for many potential Nintendo customers!
With all of that having been said, I actually find myself largely in agreement with Gavin: I hope that it's BC, but I won't lose any sleep over it if it's not. I was super hyped about Wii being compatible with GC, and 3DS with DS, but in reality, I rarely used that functionality and mostly still just played those games on their original consoles - but even that was rare.
A lot of my old games on those above mentioned systems are simply collecting dust and have been, even when their compatible successors were in their prime.
For what it's worth, I think NG Switch will feature BC and would be surprised if it didn't - launching a new system with the Switch's vast library already available would be of huge benefit to Nintendo - but I guess we'll see!
Nah fam the next Nintendo console has to have backwards compatibility, they've stopped selling the de/3ds so you already can't play half the game from the previous console gen so if you stop the switch as well that's pretty much every single game they've made in the last 11 years up in smoke.... that people purchased.
Digital purchases at least if not the physical ones, I kind of hope Metroid prime 4 hasn't switched which console it's coming to, the thing that made me pull the trigger on the switch was Metroid and if all I have to look forward to is a surprise Metroid game and not the one I was actually waiting on (I loved dread to be clear though) Nintendo might be joining Sony and Microsoft as me not being with them moving forward.
@larryisaman I 100% agree. I REALLY hope they call the next machine the SUPER Nintendo Switch. That would take my gaming life full circle. Therefore everyone would KNOW it is a new switch. They could even bring back the slogan, Now you're playing with power, Super Power. Everything is just RIGHT about it. I may be in the minority here, but I still played a lot of my Wii games on my Wii U. It was nice not having to have two systems side by side. That's actually where I played Mario Galaxy 2 for the first time, and even a few bargain find Wii games. Having the Switch 2 be backwards compatible would make it a day one purchase for me.
Then my priority for purchase isn’t a Switch 2, it’s legacy parts and back up units for my existing systems and games along with storage and a PC to backup the huge library of games I’ve amassed digitally.
@SoIDecidedTo I think that’d be a perfect name for it too, especially if the right joy con has coloured buttons 😎
The Switch 2 absolutely needs backwards compatibility. There would be no excuse not to include it.
It does if they want me to buy one.
No backwards compatibility, no buy
Hot take!
The arguments for why it's not in Nintendo's interest to add backwards compatibility are crystal clear, and that's exactly why I'm concerned that we won't get it. But it's definitely in our interests.
For me, never in history have I spent so much and built up such a huge library as on the Switch. I'm all about the N64; I got every game that I'd ever wanted on it by about 2005, but that worked out to less than 30 titles. With the Switch it must be about 400 by now. And many of them were bought "for the future" and remain completely unplayed. This has reached Steam level of comfort and confidence that the platform is here for the long haul, and it would be devastating for that to not happen.
And let's be honest with each other: you can say that it's easy enough to dig out the old machine from the drawer anytime, but how often do any of us really do that? Have you looked at a PSP recently? It's a clunky junkbox compared to anything released in the last 15 years. Sure it can play Burnout Legends and Sega Rally, but with that analog stick?
Maybe I missed it, but there's also hardware backwards compatibility. Will my 7 controllers work on the next console, such that I already have the SNES, N64, Sega, and GameCube boxes checked?
Nintendo was always the best with BC, of course Switch 2 will also have it.
GC -> Wii -> WiiU
GB -> GBA-> DS -> 3DS
Sony's history was worse, but even they realized it is a necessity.
The switch hybrid home/handheld concept is a practical, winning formula. A continuation of that, upgraded under the hood, fully backwards compatible with increased performance on current gen games, and a continuation of the switch online retro games catalog is what people want.
Wiping out 7 years of success, and starting over yet again with a completely new disc/cartridge design, and some gimmicky interface/controls is a recipe for disaster IMO. Give me TV mode with a pro controller, and handheld mode. Removable joycons, touchscreen and motion controls not required or desired. Also, just one screen please.
@larryisaman That's BRILLIANT! DID WE JUST BECOME BEST FRIENDS? (from StepBrothers)
@Kapten_NThere are a lot of Wii games that run at 30FPS, no one complained. As long as the frame rate is stable, it's ok. Funny, that you come and comment on a site that dedicates all of its content to a console you don't even own.
Well, I’m gonna add to the disagreement chorus ‘cause we’re all soapboxing to soapbox here I suppose. The core of it for me is that there are a lot of games on Switch that aren’t firing on all cylinders and could better realize their potential from a boost in hardware. That’s really what it boils down to for me.
Take the SNES as a comparison, a lot of those games are presented in a pixel art style that would scale and look identically at a higher resolution, they don’t look any better for it, higher resolutions just need proper scaling to maintain the presentation. And most of them run at 60fps, something like StarFox would be about it for benefitting from higher power.
With the Switch, almost every single game would present better, have a greater fidelity of play, with some combination of higher resolution or frame rate (and this would be a bigger ask, but improved texture resolution). They’re just so dang compromised across the board that I will experience the thought at some point for nearly every single game, “imagine this more realized at higher specs.” It’s not a deal breaker for Switch games (love em), but it does make the argument that “it’s the least in need of back compat of all time” a silly argument from the soapbox I’m standing on.
Sorry, but this is a terrible article. 'nuff said...
They better let me play my old games in the switch 2 Ive been making my library ever so larger than the first switch I got
#nintendoswitch2 #oldswitchgames
#transfermylibrarytooswitch2
Gavin, I mean no disrespect, but that's an horrible take. Not only does the Switch has a huge library that absolutely SHOULDN'T be left behind, but the Switch struggles to run even some of it's exclusive games that would benefit from more powerful hardware. are we suppose to just buy those again?
also I still have a huge library of games to playthrough, if the Next console has backwards compatibility, it's a day 1 buy and I'll transfer all of my stuff to it, if it doesn't have it, then it's a deal breaker.
Booooooo!
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Eeehhhhh. Not a fan of this article. To spend all that money supporting the switch and its huge library to just scrap backwards compatibility?
"but cutting technical ties with the previous platform helps establish the new system as its own thing."
I think this statement is bs. I believe the new system would sell far better if bc exists, in no way would it harm the next gen console.
This is the stupidest take i have ever read.
No backward compatability means i won't need to purchase the new Switch for a very long time.
Also i have rarely seen an opinion get so collectively destroyed by all sides to this degree, this article succeeded in showing us that when it comes to truly atrocious opinions that well and truly belong in the bin, we can all come together to say "nahhh".
Ah that sweet juicy engagement! I wonder how many people are responding directly to the headline, and not the article.
Well done @dartmonkey , and nice name ; )
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Same. If they decide to axe backwards compatibility, this will be the first Nintendo console I won't buy. I will be sad, but I vote with my wallet, and my wallet won't open if they make such a stupid decision.
Yeah as everyone above is saying - I don’t agree with this point. These days consoles are transitioning more towards a service that is iterative (like a subscription but for consoles). Keeping that ecosystem is really important to the longevity of a system these days. PC, Xbox, Sony and heck all digital phones are designed to be replaced and keep all data and account information. If the next Nintendo console does not support the Switch line I honestly will be less engaged in it overall. I personally think Nintendo is invested in keeping the ecosystem as they have mentioned all their online services will be included and continue to be upgraded on the next system.
Whether physical or digital I think it adds value. Sure it benefits us customers more than the companies but still. Not to mention enhancements, what does or doesn't work on the next one is interesting.
For security/encryption sure it's why I questioned GameCube games on Wii U besides the disks getting stuck in the disk slot even or just that type of code and how they run or not then Wii games with how much that chip works for Wii mode and such then the downclocking or whatever necessary further. The Wii was hacked enough, the Vita was encrypted more as the PSP was hacked due to their mess ups with it besides the memory cards being only Vita not PSP/Cameras and other Sony Memory Stick Duo capable products. Whatever software/hardware measures possible besides Wii U specific disks. I mean even besides the 3DS extension of plastic to the DS it still had software saying 'hey this doesn't work on the DS' if people broke it off.
Will Prime 4 be on both who knows?
-Atari 5200 via adaptor (Coleco/Intellivison having adapters for 2600 as well but grey areas back then)
-Atari 7800,
-Genesis Power Based Converter,
-Gameboy Color/GBA (SNES/Gamecube adaptors, Wideboy for N64/Transfer Pak for Pokemon),
-PS2,
-PS3,
-Wii (Gamecube or Virtual Console of many Nintendo and other systems),
-Wii U (marketing not BC and again Wii/DS functionality in it, people don't get remote play even with Vita/PSP, using cables to their TV with it, casting apps, the Xbox/Steam have remote play or second screen features what casual knows or cares what that is regardless of advertising or 'lifestyle' appeal about it),
-360
-One
-Series (online but still count),
-PSP (PS1 digital),
-Vita (PSP/PS1 digital),
-PS5,
-Wonderswan Color/Crystal,
-Neo Geo Pocket Color and more.
All benefited in various ways or were restricted in various ways (7800 cart slot for example, whatever but rebinding of controls on Wii compared to others, shadow/lighting on Wii U, other possibility are likely on other platforms for controller ports or whatever, or games using specific pieces of the hardware/glitches like the Power Based Convertor).
That should be clear enough of consoles that sold well, consoles people cared about BC or not (casuals don't they move on to other trends, NEW games or whatever else, they don't do their research or care, collectors/gamers care more for it as with anything of Indies to just whatever hardcore audience games in general selling well duh).
For PS5 the upgrades or updates of PS4 games are for us gamers, for casuals it's re-buying those games (or collectors or people to lazy to care or those wanting a more definitive physical copy I guess which is fair) because their too stupid to know any different what BC even means in advertising (remote play what's that casuals do or don't ask and get confused/move on and don't care) besides it's 'convenience' it offers us gamers and what mainstream/license are available to us.
Also as a Wii/360 owner with no OG Xbox or GameCube helps me A LOT. So I kind of rely on those consoles backwards compatibility lists (360/Xbox One) every time I pick up a game. For me their the most viable options I have.
Conversion of physical/digital or system to system would be nice. Whether Wii to Wii U, Wii U (regular to definitive editions on Switch), PSP to PSP Go or Vita (UMD to game cards after all or digital). A service or a disk/cartridge drive for example. We had PS1/2 memory card save transfers why not something like that but with good enough encryption. The 3DS Amiibo peripherals to built into the system. Same with Wiimotes/Wii Motion Plus Adaptor built in.
Imagine GameCube and GBA, DS or Dreamcast with VMU style games on Wii U. The end of dual screens. World End With You, Four Swords, Pacman Versus, Crystal Chronicles, many others I'm forgetting that lend themselves to Wii U whether multiple or single Gamepads or even some Wiimote features used in apps like the Mii you carry around like a memory card for PS2/GameCube in some other ways.
N64 hot swap.
Accessories or adapters at all from the earlier areas to 2000s to now as a sign of things with backwards compatibility in mind besides just 'saving money is nice to have re-buying them all again'.
Us customers aren't people writing articles that sometimes get codes, sometimes don't whatever the case, or going to events to do write ups for us to read. Besides those staff that still pay for the games/hardware when they come out.
Also games to transfer to Switch 2 then 'well starting from scratch all over again', regardless of definitive editions to resell to us all as well all know they will on Switch 2 you really want that? Huh ok then enjoy wasting more money just for 'convenience then to pull out the Switch 1 or the Wii U or the Wii or whatever other system for the "NEW FACTOR" we will use instead' yeah sure........
Also enhancements to games at all cough Xbox games getting many.
NSO on Switch 2 may happen and whatever account system consistency.
Whether controllers, whether games, whether accessories, whether apps, saves, photos (photo channel on Wii U? hmmm or DSi to 3DS), music (DS had SD support for music after all). Whatever the case.
Also coming from whoever thought Miiverse was the best the WIi U offered then dual screen local play or other aspects the door is that way article writers. I may not have a dual screen phone but I prefer it more than a social media where you can't find them anywhere.
Sure the Nintendo charm was there but are you missing out compared to other software or hardware not in the slightest.
So BC may be what it is but a lot of cool continuation of features can happen then just 'oh the games work on the new system'.
Wii U and 3DS sectioned off their Wii and DS modes. Methods to hack the Wii and DS modes in the Wi U and 3DS were discovered very early, and in the case of the Wii U most of the steps were literally the exact same. The thing is, these hacks were exclusively for that sectioned off mode. They didn’t affect the 3DS and Wii U side at all. This meant that hackers still needed to hack that stuff; Switch 2 could easily have the same limitation if they’re worried about hackers. Just have a “Switch 1” mode it goes into when you put in an old game. But honestly, the fact that you need to solder with a modchip to hack any switch besides the original means that the simple exploit that the switch fell victim to automatically won’t be an issue on the Switch 2, as they’d certainly remove the recovery menu
BC-to me is a must have not a only if. Take for example eBay Switch games if none of those works for Switch 2. Those prices would drop like a rock as seller would offload them fast as possible. This would be a boondock for collectors like me but this would mean they would hoard their games and never sell them again. So BC does have unintended consequences for the used game markets as well. So be careful what you wish for. I think this is what lost in all the BC moderation that used game market will crash because no one will want to sell used games as they can no longer find value to sell new or used games anymore. And those like me whom look for missed games will never get to have them as well. Also I have Pokemon, Splatoon, TOTK OLED and I will never give those up even if the new Switch comes out but if it lacks BC - I can and will wait.
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@Reztobi The real compatibility was us NL readers all along.
The argument about PC piracy is nonsensical. It doesn't impact Nintendo's sales at all, because those kinds of people never would have bought a Switch to begin with, so whatever they do with their illegally obtained software DOESN'T COUNT, but it does promote the game's brand in a pleasant way so if anything it may effect the mid-2000's conundrum of "more piracy = free advertising = more sales" when pirated games were often used as demos because the publishers cpuldn't be bothered to make their own.
The Switch 2 having or not having backward compatibility is not in any way related to Switch 1 piracy levels.
I know rage bait when I see it and this is definitely rage bait
If the Wii U could play Wii games and 3DS could play DS games, why wouldn't the Switch 2 play Switch 1 games? It's already been confirmed NSO will be on the next-gen system based on recent court filings, so why wouldn't the current library of games be carried over as well?
“With the Switch now over halfway into its seventh year, many of us have upgraded and have multiple Switches in the house. Unlike its bulky home console brethren, the rigmarole and inconvenience of digging one of these out to play some Breath of the Wild is negligible.”
I think storage space isn’t that big a concern for most people. It’s that those clamouring for backwards compatibility are quite likely to sell their previous console to help finance the new one and without BC they can’t do that while retaining their games.
Also the Switch and presumably Switch 2 are also portable systems. If you’re travelling then carting two generations of the console is 100% an impediment.
Even though the article has some rationality to it, it feels like it was written just for attention, chaos, lols, and trolls. Even ignoring all the other reasons for backward compatibility, how is Nintendo going to compete long-term with the Steam Deck without it? The future has no guarantees, and it's precisely because even Nintendo is not guaranteed to continue their streak of great first-party games that Backward Compatibility should not ever be brushed aside or thought of as unimportant.
I expect nothing less at this point from NL.
Honestly, while I would love it to be backwards compatible, it's not a deal breaker for me, and not really a big deal in general. What I would actually like more (well besides having both) is for the docks to be fowards compatible. Can I use my old dock with the new system? Having an extra dock would be great, and being able to charge both systems with the same dock would make a lack of BC not a big deal at all.
@Spider-Kev Did you even read a single other comment in this thread? Almost everyone is dissenting.
It absolutely does need BC, if for nothing more than to tow the status quo. Gone are the days where bringing your current library forward is a pipe dream, today it's required. Not only is it better and 9/10 times cheaper to buy digitally, doing so makes it that much easier to carry your entire library into the future. If you're still buying physically then you have your own problems and I don't personally think including old hardware into new systems is worth the effort, but to all of us in the modern age our digital libraries should most definitely be accessible on new hardware.
I'm of two minds though, as I don't ever play old games. There's far too many new ones to play. I personally don't care about BC, it's been proven gamers don't utilize it and the reason why Microsoft stopped aside from the severe issues with preservation (and they've only got a 20 year library they couldn't even successfully preserve), but every company moving forward has embraced preservation and there's not a single reason why Nintendo shouldn't. If anything, if they don't, they will end up losing marketshare and their good reputation they've built with Switch.
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@gavin_is_gavin I read the article. It's garbage.
I would argue that not having backwards compatibility would be a huge misstep for Nintendo.
The Switch occupies a very unique, and increasingly beloved niche for Nintendo fans and gamers alike. While the concept will never allow the platform to be the leading graphical powerhouse of any generation, the ability to take games anywhere you go, with ease, is basically a dream come true.
Fans are going to want to a blend of classics, fun first-party entries, and newer ports. Not only does Nintendo have the ability to deliver more of that with an upgraded Switch, it has the ability to uphold a cherished catalogue of portable games that consumers can build upon - potentially even with some performance improvements utilizing newer hardware.
Obviously, you play launch titles when a new system hits the market. But being able to roll with my triple digit back catalogue makes an upgrade a no-brainer and, if anything, entices me to purchase some titles that I may have previously held-off on buying.
Nintendo has a great opportunity to stick the landing here. What they need to avoid is overthinking it.
No backwards compatibility, no buy for me. I've grown disinterested in Nintendo's catalog of games over the past decade. I still buy them, but they haven't been must buy games for me in a very long time.
My Switch has a ton of games I've yet to finish, so if Nintendo decides against backwards compatibility, I'll have no need for a Switch 2. I'll just make my Steam Deck my permanent handheld console.
@Kang81 My Switch has a ton of games I've yet to finish, so if Nintendo decides against backwards compatibility, I'll have no need for a Switch 2. I'll just make my Steam Deck my permanent handheld console.
I think this is a lot of Nintendo user right now. And the second part is most likely what going to happen. Force people go Digital and they take something that can give more even if it's a Steam. Nintendo users still wants their BC(cart Slot) and decide what is Digital and Physicals. We all have to remember when you get tired of the Digital you have no re-sale value and no one else can use the game - even if you don't get high resale it's not something you need to have around. And Digital eventually over time take valuable sd space unless you delete or archive the game. But that would in future require you to download the large game to play again but with Physical update or not you can start playing the game unless you got DLC but you don't have to download to play. And this is where if story of Switch 2 is we get 512g or 256g or both consoles with different storage to choose from then it's not bad but if no BC that makes this a horrible choice. I got plenty of backlogs some played and some sealed that needs attention playing but no BC in next Switch is a deal breaker.
@EaglyBird Right? That’s why saying that it doesn’t need it is kinda crazy because it definitely does, it helps the console in the long run, even now with what the ps5 got going on I still hear people regret it because there’s no games on it, and like you said Covid but it’s gotten to a point now where it’s just ridiculous! Hopefully, hopefully next year that changes.
And you can also advertise upgrades for already loved games on newer hardware! Too many games have been ported to the switch for them not have it.
Don’t worry! I might even start a certain sequel this week after I finish torna. (After spending my playtime leveling up community to three lol)
@SwitchForce
I agree. While I prefer to get physical as often as I can on Switch, it's not always possible. So as much as I dislike the idea of most games going digital only, eventually I'll have to deal with it.
I just recently learned that Alan Wake 2 is digital only, and that's a major AAA 3rd party game as just one example.
I've primarily stayed away from PC gaming due to its inherent issues of cost and almost always games are in need of a lot of tinkering depending on the type of PC one has.
The Steam Deck, while not perfect, has alleviated a lot of the tinkering, at least a lot of the more complicated tinkering, for me at least.
I wouldn't be surprised if the next Switch is as powerful or actually outperforms the Steam Deck in power, but that will only last so long.
The Steam Deck, or PC in general has Backwards Compatibility going back a long time, and the Xbox/PS5 also has a long list of backwards compatible games.
Another plus about the Steam Deck is the ability to return games. A process that is archaic on the consoles. Something that I'm sure most people who just purchased Mortal Kombat on Switch would love to take advantage of.
Never expected it to have BC myself. You avoid disappointment that way. If it does, great.
To be fair to the article, I have a DS and a New 3DS XL and I NEVER play DS games on the newer handheld.
I did put Lunar Knights in the 3DS to see how it'd look but I certainly didn't play through said game.
If playing physical games, I prefer to use the cartridge/game card in the device it was made for.
Also, as regards the E-Shop Games, IF they are to come over, there had BETTER NOT be some 'pay a small fee' a la the Wii to Wii U, which was the main reason I never bought a Wii U.
Crap article about an even crappier opinion, but there’s some serious top notch responses in this comment section… just had to throw my two cents in and be part of the movement
@Kang81 I've seen a few KS games I supported and got Digital become Physical through LRG or some other publishers so never say never. Even PlayAsia got some of the KS indie games as well. So take BlackBook that I pledge it now has a Physical release? I was like what is going on here? Even if it's not the KS that published the game if they knew whom is doing it they could've tell their supporters that this was happening and somehow we get a chance to get it for less since we paid to have this KS project happen. This is what infuriates me that KS projects don't inform supporters that this happened and at least what will done to compensate the supporters of the KS project get off the ground.
I'm certainly not making the case AGAINST backwards compatibility but, on other consoles it certainly has tricked me into spending more during a sale thinking my digital "asset" will be there throughout the generations until I'm ready to play it.
Whenever the Switch 2 does come out, I still intend to keep my Zelda edition Switch OLED and keep my original Switch collection on there. However, I would hope that the next Switch would be backwards compatible and give some added benefits like higher resolutions and higher/stable framerates. Also, I am not keen on double/triple dipping on games. And seeing that games are even more expensive, I rather just carry my collection on the new system should anything happen with the older one.
Well that was a fitting an hilarious response to a really terrible view. I've never seen the comments section so united, or sensible.
Massive, massive L on this, Nintendolife. I think you guys do this deliberately just to drum up controversy and clicks. There's nothing I can honestly take seriously in good faith from this site. SMH, Gavin. Truly tone deaf. 🤦♂️
If S2 woudln't be backwards compatible, it might take way longer for me to upgrade as I still have enough stuff to do on my Switch and not that much budget to just buy a new console plus starting a whole new library just like that.
And I guess I'm not alone in this boat.
The "problem" is that the Switch is just like the greatest thing, my 40yr old console gamer heart has ever experienced and I remember jumping from PS3 to PS4 and not really feeling this crazy change of paradigms that I did with previous generation-leaps. Nintendo might have some other nice thigs added to the S2, there will be a camera now and so on, but in the end, most game will just play the same. Silksong might release for both generations in any case and we might all agree that it be the exactly same experience on both devices. So the only reason to upgrade will be bigger AAA titles but even those might take a while to build up a library worth upgrading to.
So please. Just please stick with the same architecture (don't see why they should change that. Switch is running on ARM and there is now sign of them switching to anything else.)
At some point S2 would end up being a tiny portable console with one of the biggest gaming libraries of all time.
Outlets and certain youtube personalities in the Nintendo space have gone from championing the backwards compatability possibility of switch 2 over the past year or so. To recently saying things like it doesn't really need it. Makes me worried they know something already and are trying to soften the community up to reduce backlash on nintendo. I'm sorry but the Switch 2 absolutly NEEDS 100 oercent backwards compatibility with both digital and physical switch libraries. And now that we know the new system is going to be based on a new nvidia Tegra there is absolutly no reason for them to not do be, other than " we really want to resell you the same game multiple times." Yes I could and will be keeping my multiple switch systems. However I should not have to repurchase the same software to that I could potentially run at better resolutions and framerates on the many games that were " let's face it sub par experiences" released on switch because of a lake of power. Just because you wanted to make an extra buck. I've paid once already. Let me play replay my games at better than 24fps.
I completely disagree with this whole article lol. A Switch 2 would absolutely need to be backward compatible in order to remain relevant. A new switch that couldn't play the vast library it's accumulated would be a financial disaster for nintendo. Unlike when the Switch first came out, the handheld market is saturated, the main thing the switch has going for it is that huge game library available... and of that's not playable on a new switch, why wouldn't I just keep my old switch so I could play all those old games and then buy a Steam Deck instead for new games?
Each new version of Steam Deck = you will be able to play all your games, from all generations, with higher resolution and quality.
Every new Nintendo = Nintendo wants you to buy the SAME games, with a little extra nonsense here and there, AGAIN, AGAIN and AGAIN.
Steam Deck is the best option.
I have both.
Observation.
Buying games on Steam is heaven. In addition to having 95% of all games available on the Nintendo Switch, Playstation 5 and Xbox, as well as exclusive games, the games are MUCH CHEAPER.
They can be played on all current and future systems.
I play my games on Steam:
And for all future PC, iPad, TV, Steam Deck, I will be able to play my entire historical game collection, with superior quality and paying less.
@JankFlowers
While I agree with your explanation on why the “Switch 2” should have BC, but no way was Nintendo about to go out of business because of the Wii U.
Are you all serious?
I get those points, but never forget the big picture. We're talking about things like upgrading graphical settings (especially for third-party ports) and making the entirety of your previous-gen efforts worth the generational jump vs. avoiding (potential) firmware vulnerability?
Look, maybe that is important too, but what's on the surface is what matters the most for both the consumer and the fan.
The other consoles had no issue delivering generational leap in performance yet still preserving the ability to buy last-gen games on their digital shops and also supporting physical media, gradually at least.
That alone means backwards compatiblity for the Switch 2 should be a must.
@Rainbowfire But without backcompat, you'd HAVE to keep your old system. You wouldn't be able to sell it because you'd have to have it around to play those games. Who cares if backcompat makes a Switch 2 $30 more expensive?
@Dr_Corndog My reply was intending to point out that Nintendo backcompat being so limited is horribly inconvenient. I should be able to keep my games and sell the console they were made for if I want to. Having to own an NES, SNES, N64, Wii, Wii U, Switch, Analogue Pocket, and 3DS to play everything legitimately just sucks. This is partly why so many people resort to emulation for everything beyond Switch. There WILL come a point where playing Switch games is just as inconvenient as playing GameCube games right now.
What a terrible take. i've purchased so many switch games, if I had to buy them again for the switch 2 I'd go bankrupt. I expect my games to work on switch 2. If they don't, I will have to seriously consider not buying any more games ever and instead get my games from other sources.
Also a lot of games run like garbage on the switch due to Nintendo's refusal to upgrade. I expect to be able to play the games I previously purchased on switch 2 because most of us never really got to play the games at a decent frame rate/resolution.
Why do so many authors of Nintendo articles seem to relish being needlessly contrarian?
I do hope it's BC, but if it's not, it won't be that big a deal for me. I won't really have space for Switch games anyways, as I've already filled my 1.5 TB microSD card and then some.
how do I delete someone else's article?
I'd accept the absense of backwards compatibility — but in this case, I'm immediately buying an OLED switch 1, while postponing the 2 for a couple years.
@EaglyBird but then they couldn’t charge us for the same games over and over again…
Its gonna be bc those Pokemon Dlc leaks haven’t been wrong yet and the only thing left is the next gen graphics patch supposedly coming with the last half of the dlc while that might be wrong because of delays on the switch 2 release i can see them launch in March alongside the dlc for pokemon and the graphics patch for the new system…
@EaglyBird prettY spot on for not real
@EaglyBird Nintendo barely markets the switch now honestly they really don’t need a huge lead up and history shows that what was it 4 months between announcement and launch of the new 3ds less then six for switch they drop system whenever they know they don’t really need to have a year or more hype buildup for there machines the fan base is buying reguardless as long as the games come.
There biggest failures are all because of that very fact lack of software half of the big sellers took forever to come to wiiu and with it already high price compared to the competition it was doomed from the start coming from a wiiu owner actually loved it to tell ya the truth it was flawed tho highly flawed…
id much rather see an article about how you want the switch 2 to be BC and why.
This article is pure nonsense and gibberish laced with corporare pandering so much so it is appalling. I registered just to type that comment and will unregister forever not reading this bull ever again blocking it in my google news feed.
People own Switch consoles BECAUSE it has backwards compatibility and/or remakes of all of the older consoles.
The author feeds us the false notion of "pondering the actual implications of blah blah" while in reality they just decided to post an inflamatory absurdity with obviously zero attachment to rality to increase clicks and cause outrage. And yes it works initially increasing interactions, but in the long rin it ruins trust and pushes long time readers away. This is what is wrong with press today including the review press. Corporate servitude, inflamatory remarks among watered down uninformed content.
The only reason this console leads over other... Any console has such numbers woth a new generation in fact... is that they always have backwards compatibility in some way. This is so obvious this is meant to cause havock without having to do any actual work it is insulting. Have a good life "Nintendo Life".
I don't care if it has BC or not. I'm not selling or trading my switch in now. Plus once the next one comes out I see no reason to go back and play on an outdated turd or play outdated turd games. Lots of gamers in this comment section seem to be laboring under the delusion that every dev for every switch game ever made is going to go back and give the ol upgrade treatment to each and every game. Inclue BC or don't, I'm going to buy one day 1 either way, I'm no stickler like the rest of the gaming community.
@Aryam777 Sheesh settle down there chief, try not to sound more like a Reddit forum than forming and articulating your own thoughts without having to resort to calling the author a corporate panderer. You're not toppling any capitalist regimes in this thread son. I'd like to add literally everything you said does not apply to me. I don't care in the slightest what the author has said. He doesn't speak for me and neither do you. I don't play ANY older or retro games on my switch. Those days are done and gone, I get nauseous thinking about playing the first metroid ever made. Could NOT care less. I own a Switch to play Switch games, plain and simple. New Switch doesn't need BC? Cool, I'm fine with that. My Switch OLED isn't going anywhere. It would be completely asinine to suggest I'm the only one that feels the way I do.
It needs to me, if it doesn't I'm done with Nintendo. Times have changed, my games on other platforms arent going anywhere and that's the way it should always be.
@Xeraphis Everyone is entitled to their reply and opinions. Your reply is what verifies their posting and replies. If one doesn't like another reply just don't reply to it - doing so confirms what they are spouting about already. BC is why Nintendo Switch survivies without it if you haven't seen that the polls already clearly says it's going to hurt Nintendo not help them. If they can't see the writing on the wall their wallets will see it. Alot have cart games and some Digital are becoming cart games so not sure what your getting your info but cart factor is here to stay regardless of what one thinks. Dismissing such cart gamers is at your perils and in the game sales that can have unintended consequences that one can't recover from.
Switch 2 not being backwards compatible would be a massive anti-consumer move.
Switch is the most profitable game platform to date, with a massive library (a lot of it is meh or shovelware, but there are at least dozens of must-play titles).
Switch owners would love to take their games and move them over to a more capable system, especially if they go the Xbox/PlayStation route and boost some of the old game's performance. Imagine Zelda boosted with Switch 2 hardware without Nintendo making you have to get a Switch 2 remaster of the games.
There is simply no rational argument for Switch 2 not to be backwards compatible unless kneeling to Nintendo is rational.
I think this is the most commented-on post in NintendoLife history lol
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