The frenzy and excitement around this week's Nintendo Direct is settling down, and it seems that the general consensus among the majority is that it was pretty darn good. Through first- and third-party reveals, Nintendo has set out a release schedule up to September that is busy, to put it mildly. It's also a line-up that suits a broad audience, as it should for Switch, with everything from deep RPG experiences to family fun, platforming and more.
It was a broadcast and line-up interesting for other reasons too, notably tone. It was the first time in what feels like years that Nintendo brought a bit of full-on goofiness back with a demonstration of Nintendo Switch Sports. There was a Wii-era vibe to some announcements too, such as the return of franchises like 'Sports' (we suppose that's the brand!) and Mario Strikers. It's a good time for this stuff, too, as the Switch is now well into the second half of its life and is ripe for both serving up nostalgia and introducing its huge userbase to some lapsed brands.
Though the Direct was closely focused on the next six months or so, one particular reveal was interesting not just for the fact it was long overdue — we've pondered the absence of DLC for this particular title on more than one occasion — but for its structure. Yep, we're talking about the Mario Kart 8 Booster Course Pack.
The obvious first thing of note is that, yep, Nintendo is extending the hugely successful Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and keeping us waiting for an eventual Mario Kart 9. But the approach of the DLC is key here — it'll double the number of tracks in the game by adding another 48 (all re-purposed retro and Mario Kart Tour courses) over six 'waves', running until the end of 2023.
That end date is intriguing, and considering the importance of MK8 Deluxe to Switch (it is the lifetime best-seller on the system and is still typically a top 3 seller each year), it may point to a key medium-term strategy. We're going to make assumptions that seem pretty hard to look past considering the structure of that DLC.
Mario Kart 9, to end the suspense, will have been in development for a number of years - of course it has.
To start with the smaller point, the Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack is here to stay. By bundling this new DLC pack with the service Nintendo is aiming to grab a substantial boost in user numbers. Up to now the expansion has arguably been reasonable value if you either get it through a 'family' deal, or if you're a big fan of Animal Crossing: New Horizons - Happy Home Paradise that also wants to dabble with Nintendo 64 and SEGA Mega Drive / Genesis games. For those not interested in any one of those products, it's a much tougher sell. Add Mario Kart 8 Deluxe content there, though, and the number of interested prospective subscribers is about to jump a significant amount.
The bigger point, though, relates to what this Booster Course Pack could mean for Nintendo's platform plans, namely the Switch lifecycle. In the recent financial results company President Shuntaro Furukawa said again that they consider the Switch to be halfway through its lifecycle. There may be a bit of exaggeration there, but perhaps it will be the primary system until, say, Spring 2024.
Mario Kart 9, to end the suspense, will have been in development for a number of years — of course it has. Yet its predecessor selling incredible numbers has taken away all sense of a rush for a title that would be perfect for launching a new system, especially if at that point the Legend of Zelda team will be earlier in its development process on its next series entry, having wrapped up Breath of the Wild 2 this year. Hopefully.
What has seemed increasingly clear, also, is that the noise around a new Switch 'Pro' or a successor has gotten quieter. The frenzy last Summer culminated with the Switch OLED model, similar to rampant speculation years earlier that only brought us the OG Switch model with an improved battery.
Like all businesses grappling with COVID in 2020 and 2021, and then with the ongoing chip shortage, Nintendo will have had numerous executive level meetings to reassess and retool strategies.
We're not saying Nintendo hasn't had potential plans in the past few years for moving towards an enhanced model or a new generation, but perhaps there's been a shift of focus. Two global events have had a huge impact on the industry between 2020 and now — COVID, the impact of which is lessened now that there are less lockdowns and restrictions in many countries, and the global chip shortage. While COVID may be easing, the chip shortage is not, and Nintendo will have observed the huge struggles that Sony and Microsoft have endured getting close to meeting demand for PS5 and Xbox Series X.
Like all businesses grappling with COVID in 2020 and 2021, and then with the ongoing chip shortage, Nintendo will have had numerous executive level meetings to reassess and retool strategies. The ongoing success of Switch — and Nintendo's ability to maintain its manufacturing at a high level — has made some of those decisions easier. A large audience is still buying Switch hardware, and game sales are extremely high; it's a winning lottery ticket. Releasing all-new hardware right now, by comparison, is extremely difficult and fraught with danger.
While it's true that the Switch is now a long way behind the current gen of PS5 / Xbox Series X|S in terms of raw power, Nintendo's own games and a steady flow of third-parties eager to reach that audience is still serving up plenty of releases. While overall momentum remains this strong, publishers and developers will want to be on the platform.
It would be surprising if Nintendo were to have a near two-year rollout of content for its most popular game (MK8 Deluxe, that is), only to chop it off at the knees mid-cycle. Perhaps it points to a reality that Nintendo is planning for Switch to lead the way for at least another two years, after which the current challenges around chip supplies may have eased. It seems like a sound business strategy, we'd suggest.
Of course, having hypothesized this, Nintendo could just as easily announce a major hardware revision or new generation in the next 12 months; that's the fun of following the big N. Regardless, it looks like we'll be playing Mario Kart 8 for a good while yet.
The longer we get into the PS5 generation, the wider the gap grows really. But Switch is mega popular and at this point I’m not sure it really needs that many current-gen third party ports. Besides, Feral and Panic Button do magic so who knows!
I'm just hoping for a Pro at some point, because some of these games could use it, like...that Arceus game...the resolution gets so ridiculously low at some points, and the framerate is STILL not smooth there.
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Deluxe launching with the next console.
I'm laughing at the people who predicted Nintendo Kart this year.
This has to the one of the cruelest/smartest business move i've seen nintendo make, you keep people waiting for years, make 'em pay $25 per pack, release them over a two year span, or have them pay $50 for online play with extra content to be included. Not only that but it still gives people reason to buy mk8 deluxe, and it doesn't take as much work as a new game, and they still get to save that "new title" for the next generation.
@Joeynator3000 Also Xenoblade Chronicles 2, a first-party game, really struggles.
Would it be bad? I mean for a company to keep supporting its current system and not having a 4-5 year cycle. Would be nice for a change.
Having said that, I'm disappointed that Switch is not getting its own Mario Kart, nor a second main Mario entry (who knows, but after Odyssey turning 5 next month I would've expected at least a tease in the last Direct). And I begin to believe that BOTW2 will be a next system's launch title. It was initially said to be due for Christmas 2020, and the Direct should have confirmed its final release date, yet didn't. Something is smelly here.
@Miyamotosan Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Deluxe + Course Pass Deluxe. And I thought no title would be worse than New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe + New Super Luigi U Deluxe 😂.
The only thing we can hope for is a stronger Switch model (not necessarily 4K)
Being able to play Xenoblade Chronicles 3 in a resolution higher than 720p would be a dream
honestly i don't really care that much either way. more power would be cool but i dont ever really feel like i'm settling/getting the raw deal playing on the switch, even in games with super tiny texture load distances like NMH3
@wHeReArEtHeChEeToS you get all the waves in a pass for $25, I was confused too though so I hope they really spell it out
@Miyamotosan New Ultimate Mario Kart 8 Deluxe?
@wHeReArEtHeChEeToS It's $25 for the 48 tracks, not $25 per pack.
This long-term DLC for Mario Kart 8, as well as the announcement of Nintendo Switch Sports (which will probably bring in many new consumers, as happened with the Wii), was for me proof that the successor to the Switch will only be released from the end of 2024 onwards.
Personally I think that's great, it's a console that deserves this longevity. Yesterday's Direct got me really excited, especially with the amount of classic 90s RPGs that were announced.
I completely agree with the conclusion of this article, that all signs point to how we won’t see a switch pro until some point in 2024. It simply is not needed when there are so many games being released for the system. Nintendo usually likes to have a gap year before the release of a new system to build up launch titles, and 2022 is crammed with content.
wait you kept saying for past 2 years switch pro soon
Yeah, sounds reasonable. The chip shortage has handed Nintendo a win, and it's wise to run with that. As much as I'd love a 120fps Switch, if they can keep putting out beautiful 60fps games like Skyward Sword and Metroid 5 (and keep games like Arceus mostly locked to 30fps) then they'll do great. I've been surprised how much I love playing Switch games on my 4k tv. I have no problem switching from Ghost of Tsushima to playing Arceus. Gameplay is king, and collecting pokemon is awesome (also love the music in Arceus). I just hope Nintendo's next system can do 120fps, whether it's a semi-normal console or a Virtual Boy 2 (but awesome, which it honestly could be).
Actually, if we never got a switch pro, I wouldn't really care, The switch needs some graphical improvements I guess but I don't play my switch for how powerful the hardware is, thats actually my last reason because I ever wanted any of that, I would just go to my ps5/Xbox.ps4 suc hand such, that can do the job,
But the games or completely different, and the experience is as well.
As for how they did mario kart, I really do much rather this then another mario kart game, and why make another one where the game is great, people love it, now add more of what people loved in the past. And I understand what value another mario kart game could bring, totally, new items, characters, such and such, but tour over here was getting the updating treatment anyway, so why leave mario kart 8 fans in the dust.
@noobish_hat in my opinion I think its a pretty cool way to get me pumped and reasons to play mario kart again, I do wish they would add more characters, but I will take what I can get.
But I mean its 48 tracks, for the price of 24$ I think, not a bad deal if I say so myself. Would have been great if NSO+ would have been that much.
Edit: But for the most part it is a way to drag on the games lifespan, but idk if you could really use that word as its been doing that itself without the need for DLC.
I think the DLC is an indication that we'll be waiting even longer for an MK9. Like I've said about MK8 and the Switch, it's a one per console generation game and a must have.
A lot of the people who bought a Switch recently would not buy the next generation if it comes out this year or next year, for example. Same applies to Mario Kart. Everyone just bought Mario Kart 8. Will they go out and buy MK9 so fast? Surely MK8 is enough for their needs. Why buy another so soon?
With MK 8 still selling and DLC increasing revenue, why eat into those sales with a new release? It's not worth it.
I think i'm the only person in the world who is 100% happy with this. I don't want MK9. I know MK8, i know how it feels, i like how it feels and drives. Even better, I own MK8, and I have the EP, so for exactly $0, I get 48 new courses, probably the equivalent of 1.5 new games, given that even Deluxe with all old DLC was only 40 courses.
AT BEST, MK9 would be change i'd have to get used to, less courses, probably less carts and drivers (to leave room for later DLC), and that is if the new game is as good as the old one. I cannot see any way to improve on MK8, but I can see ways to make it worse by trying too hard.
So yeah. I'd be perfectly happy if each new Nintendo console gets MK8. It's a perfect game. Just add more DLC as needed. New courses, old courses, some new carts and characters, whatever.
Just my 2c
I think Mario Kart Tour is Mario Kart 9, and that the next entry will be 10. The fact that the DLC graphic included all entries plus Tour gives weight to my point.
@wHeReArEtHeChEeToS its not $25 per pack. Thats the price for all 48 tracks.
I figured NL would write a talking point in light of yesterday's news. I'm a soothsayer I tell you, a soothsayer!
Anyway, it says they support the Switch like they do their handhelds. For a very long time and with ample software.
That's exactly what I thought when I heard the Mario Kart tracks cover release till 2023 end. No Switch successor before then seems like a given.
A Spring 2024 release for the Switch 2 perhaps (7 years after the Switch)
Only time will tell.
Spring 2024 is the absolute earliest we get a Switch successor. 2022 is packed. Mario Kart DLC will keep us busy until the end of 2023. Then, Pokémon Gen 9 is likely coming to Switch at the end of 2023. It's usually been a 3 year gap between generations, but I think they'll make this one 4 due to Arceus. Splatoon 3 might see an expansion similar to Octo Expansion next year. And we'll likely get a Fire Emblem remake next year using the 3 Houses engine. So there is still good life left in the Switch.
Next console releases holiday 2024, Mario Kart 9 and Metroid Prime 4 as the big launch titles.
@nessisonett This matters very little because the PS5 and Xbox Series X are so supply constrained. Sony cut their forecast to 11.5 million PS5s for this fiscal year, which is really low considering that PS4 had many 17+ million years. Microsoft is better off because Series S is not as supply constrained. The existence of the Series S and its weaker hardware also makes ports to Switch more likely for longer than people originally suspected.
It was pretty obvious since they just launched OLED
I could see a 2nd Booster Course pack be announced at E3 2023 or September 2023 Direct much like what happened for Smash with that lasting until the end of 2025.
wouldnt be surprised if there is at least one more revision before the end of the systems life especially after how many the 3ds got
TBH i wouldn't mind a "new 3ds" type situation (when the chip shortage isnt as bad) since i feel like there are more switch games that could benefit from that kind of thing than there were 3ds games.
I sold my copy of MK8 a year ago because I had given up on DLC…
I have no need for a Switch successor anytime soon. Something like a "Switch Pro" would be nice. And hopefully that's exactly what the next system will be. But, until that happens, whenever it happens, I'm good.
Nintendo says the Switch is halfway it's lifecycle. That doesn't mean it couldn't exist next to a successor (one that hopefully is very similar to the Switch (also portable / hybrid) and is backward compatible). Tbh I think the next gen Nintendo console will launch either late 2023 or early 2024.
A 'Switch Pro' will never ever ever happen.
One Mario Kart title per console, per killer app logic, which in Nintendo’s case means building up the pressure (demand) through attaching major series’ titles to hardware iterations
It's a smart move when you think about it.
Covid's effects are probably really starting to be felt more now than in the last 2 years and we probably could've had a Switch successor by now if the world wasn't made of bricks. It would also be the time of a new Mario Kart if Covid didn't happen as well. Considering how the next one apparently has some 'big twist' cooking up, it'll probably be a system seller on the same level as 8.
So what do you do when you have a massive new Mario Kart for your next system that won't be coming out for a long while when the fanbase of said series is ravenous for something new? You add a **** ton of new tracks to the highest selling and most critically acclaimed entry to date in order to bide them over until then. It's a very clever solution honestly.
Ok so no physical Mario Kart and no Mario Kart 9.
So either buy the 8 track pac one at a time; and at approx £19 per 8 tracks, that is £114 for all 48 old tracks. Not good value. But I guess once all 48 tracks are available the bundle will get a job lot release at discount. Might be worth the wait.
Or Switch online, and you can rent the tracks for as long as you pay your monthly subscription. The more you use this method the more value there is in your having a subscription.
For me both methods are an expensive way to play old Mario Kart Tracks.
@zool The price is for the entire pass. So it's the price of the base game + one price for the DLC pass.
Any idea if any of the new courses are battle courses? Would be great if these got some love too!
I've always been up for longer, better console cycles.
How much fun is it wanting a PS5; Series X and not being able to get one unless you pay 2x? No fun at all. By the time you get one easily the console will be halfway done. Lame.
@MostHandsieBoy Indeed releasing a new console generation in this chip shortage would be suicide for Nintendo. Think Wii U like numbers or worse.
This was my initial reaction to the end of 2023 news - end of 2023 means no MK9 until the 10 year anniversary of MK8 in May 2014, so May 2024 on Switch 2 launched March 2024.
Unless, Nintendo knows no Switch 2 until 2025 or later so we actually do get a "New Switch" ie Switch Pro the end of this year, or early next year. I don't think we will, but it's b/c I don't think we will that Nintendo will b/c they're insane.🙃
@sanderev it is a lucky thing they are where they are. Sony/MS get to sweat bullets about getting product out - and out of the hands of scalpers - while Tendy just sells stuff and makes plans for the next one - with the luxury of time on their side.
I’m happy with this. The only thing that’s bothering me is that the graphics for the new courses seem to be heavily downgraded from the original tracks in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Dare I say they look like upscaled versions of the mobile game 👀
They don’t look awful and I’m excited for more tracks to race on, but it does seem like they’re putting in less effort compared to what we got with the Wii U’s DLC tracks and overall content.
@Grumblevolcano I was going to be mad at you for suggesting a 2nd booster pack but thats so far out I'll be done w/ gaming by then. Or I am play free Disney Racing, or bust season pass 3 for Chocobo GP. Have yo seen that news? It's everywhere but NL. Season pass, can't find the game on the website, just the free Lite version.🤷
Wow I'm so surprised, Nintendo definitely didn't recently say (twice) that the Switch is halfway through it's life cycle...
I only hope that once all of the DLC is out, there is a MK8 Ultimate physical release that includes all 96 tracks on the cart.
@MostHandsieBoy Tbh if I were Sony / MS I would've delayed the PS5 and XBOX Series consoles for at least until 2023. Or maybe I would've released an XBOX Series S console with a disc drive instead of the Series X. And a less powerful PS5. With a Series X and PS5 Pro coming later.
Because, the Series S is actually available to pick up at most stores right now, and has been for more than half a year.
The Switch was the platform in the best position to weather the pandemic, they would be dumb to not capitalize and squeeze as much life out of it as they can. The PS5 still struggles with availability and IMO, a really poor library overall save for a few gems.
I haven't played Mario Kart for several years — I guess I could boot up ye olde WiiU.
And still media sites can't get their head around half way through the Switch's life. I mean, it's the best selling console accross most regions. Where is the exaggeration? Particularly with the current manufacturing climate not expected to abate any time soon. It's going to surpass PS2 sales.
@wHeReArEtHeChEeToS It's not $25 per pack, it's for the entire thing.
It sometimes nice to have a longer generation, but bless the poor old switch, it’s looking old and ageing even more so against the new generation.
Even Nintendo’s own Bowser Fury as good as it was, was making the Switch, lower resolution, fps and jar slightly on the fly as it cracked under pressure.
I’m definitely ready for a new Switch and playing a far more detailed Mario Odyssey 2 or BOTW 2 in 4K with high res textures and long draw distance worlds filled with lush detail, amazing environments and weather effects and many detailed enemies and NPC.
I will be honest and say when the Switch first released I was ok, but now I long for the above graphical in Nintendo’s amazing gaming worlds.
I think that’s is why my Switch days are numbered and play time is dwindling and my PS5 time is increasing.
Don’t get me wrong I will there for BOTW 2 etc.
The absolute earliest the next console is launching is holiday 2024. They won't release a new console just months after wrapping up the MK8 DLC.
Pretty sure that's a software issue and not a hardware issue though.
@sanderev which as a consumer leads me to think it's junk. It may not even be junk - but that is the perception. If you can never find one thing but can always find the lesser thing - I don't generally want the lesser thing.
The Sony/MS sales cycle has been an absolute disaster ov er the past year+. You see it on companies who normally didn't develop for the switch now doing so and the no trickle of games on the more powerful ones.
I'm not entirely sure this strategy is going to work. They're making the wait for stronger hardware and MK9 long and painful. The Switch's hardware is heavily outdated and there's an itch for stronger hardware to get more and better games. And Mario Kart will have been coasting on the same content for over 10 years when the DLC packs are done. Won't there be a sense of boredom and fatigue from all of this, especially Mario Kart? Part of the demand for MK9 is that fans want to see the next big thing for Mario Kart, at the very least shouldn't they be giving fans a taste of something new instead of just rehashing the same content people are sick of? Feels a bit lazy and cash grabby TBF.
I played MK8 to shreds on the WiiU and insisted I would not double dip on the Switch. But this DLC changes my approach. 48 new tracks running through the end of 2023 gives me the incentive I was looking for to jump back in. I'm hoping Nintendo will sprinkle in a handful of new drivers too.
From the screenshots/footage of the tracks so far it does look like pretty lazy DLC, like none of the visual flair and detail from the base game is being applied to these remastered tracks. After 5 years that’s a real shame- feels like they’ve decided to push back Mario Kart 9 (10?) for the next machine after MK8D just kept selling and bring these tracks over with minimum effort. Perhaps it’s a B-team bringing these over while the main team are focused on the next game. Can’t say I really blame Nintendo if that’s the case- a brand new Mario Kart at launch would be absolutely massive.
All that said, it’s hard to complain much when there’s 48 tracks for the price they’re asking.
All I'm hearing is that Super Nintendo Kart is coming and this is the swan song of Mario Kart.
I really wanted to get another Switch, maybe the OLED, but after yesterday's Direct I think I'll sit out another year. I get their model and it works overall, but I cannot get over their graphic being so bad when compared to any other modern gaming platforms. I finally played BOTW on PC and holy crap what I wouldn't give for Nintendo to release an upscaled version of that masterpiece. Well, back to the grind. I'll still keep an eye out for Nintendo games and still play some on my daughter's Switch Lite, but one day I'd like to have a nice model of my own.
I feel like I'm the only person in the world that doesn't want a Switch 2 anytime soon. Games for the Switch are awesome, why would I want to buy a new piece of hardware to continue buying new games? We're to the point graphically where hardware improvements are delivering heavily diminished returns, sure new hardware will look better (better framerates would be nice more than anything), but if I want amazing looking games I'll just play them on my PC....
@ChimpHunter I’m with you. I don’t see the point in MK9, I don’t know what moving on to a new game brings that is worth it. Over the series we’ve had: graphics improvement, gliders (fine but not ground breaking), bikes (also ‘meh’: good but nothing that would make me go and buy the game), and it feels to me that Nintendo aren’t at their most innovative and creative right now so I’m no rush to be served the same thing again.
Plus I like the idea of all the courses in one package akin to Smash Ultimate. No need to switch games to dig out that course I liked.
Yeah, a 2024 spring release of 'Switch 2' makes sense by now, as they can probably do at least reasonably well for the next 2 years, with MK8D dlc, BotW 2 etc. coming (a Pro is too late now IMO and maybe not even conceivable with the chip shortages).
I could really see the Switch reaching PS2/DS numbers sales wise now.
(which will probably mean a lot more 3rd party ports/remasters - and maybe even a new Resident Evil - which is all my main focus - I'm just not that interested in Nintendo's own games, not that I say they're bad, they're just not for me personally)
I actually foresee this generation of systems lasting a long, LONG time.
At present, the longest console generation was the 7th Gen. The 360 launched in 2005, the PS3 and Wii a year later. The successors didn’t release until 2012 and 2013. That was an insanely long generation, honestly too long with the hardware that was available.
Thanks to COVID and the integration of console generations (I actually think the Eighth Gen will stick around for a long time thanks to live service games), I wouldn’t be surprised to see the 9th generation last even longer than the 7th generation consoles. And unlike with the 7th Gen, where people were getting really fed up towards 2011 of not having new hardware, I think people will be fine this time. For a few reasons.
1. The Great Shortage. The Series X and PS5 are in ENORMOUS demand. The majority of gamers who want either one can’t easily get one. Once the supply strain is lessened, we are going to see both of these consoles skyrocket in sales for years. Maybe not the same level as the Switch, but they will destroy their predecessors’ yearly numbers without slowing down. This will naturally extend the generation and the shortage isn’t due to end until sometime next year at the earliest.
2. The PS5 and Series X are both futureproofed far better than the 360 and PS3 were. They have more than enough RAM, the super fast SSDs, and developers will be targeting their GPU capabilities (which are in between a 2070 Super and a 2080Ti depending on measurements used) for more than 7 years. The vast majority of PC gamers haven’t even left the GTX 1000 series cards behind yet. There’s still a large population playing on the GTX 900 series cards. Developers are building their games to support those older GPUs. By comparison, the PS3’s GPU was obsolete in terms of GPU compute just a year after it’s release; the PC market was advancing much more rapidly back then and the cards were cheaper than they are now.
3. The rise of Super Sampling and TAA for smooth image quality. Back in the day, before these techniques existed, you had to brute force to higher resolutions for image clarity. And the PS3 and 360 weren’t capable of keeping up after 2008. By comparison, the PS5 and Series X have access to these modern techniques. So as games get more resource heavy on the graphics side, they can keep the end user clarity high by sacrificing the native internal resolution and using Super Sampling and TAA to keep an image that’s close to 4K.
I didn’t include the Switch in this, mainly because Nintendo doesn’t play the power game. People see the Switch as a handheld and measure their expectations accordingly. And handhelds have notoriously long life cycles. So Nintendo is set, despite my expectation of a Switch 2 in late 2024.
I can't believe I only agreed with the last paragraph...
After the first Playstation became a hit, Sony prepared and released an even more popular successor, yet the PS1 still got games and eventually became the first console to sell over 100 million units (I think).
After the PS2 conquered everything, Sony still released games for it even after launching the PS3. PS2 would eventually became the world's best-selling console.
Nintendo, even after knowing how successful the DS still was, announced and released the Nintendo 3DS, and it only took a price cut and better games than launch to become a success. Nintendo forgot about the DS? Not really, they still released games for it because the 3DS was backwards-compatible.
After 4 years, the Wii slowly started to lose momentum compared to the HD consoles. Nintendo made the mistake of "relaying" an HD successor until late 2012, just one year before the 8th gen consoles arrived. The Wii U eventually, couldn't become a successs.
That dang chip shortage... look, I don't know the exact definition of a "successor" in the minds of all of you. But Nintendo would be all crazy if they decided to drop the Switch after they released the Switch 2 or something.
To put it simple, the successor of the Switch needs to have these three key things:
1.Backwards compatibility (with updates that allow for better settings like the new consoles)
2. A new idea or concept
3. Impressive power for a handheld
And that's it, it's as simple as that. They release it to coexist with the current Switch, they won't drop the Switch until its sales have really slumped. Poof, Nintendo is future-proofed!
The PS4 is still selling even after the PS5 came out, so why not the Switch? Any objections about this idea? Games like Xenoblade 3 suddenly feel more perfect for the console. Right now.
Can't believe they decided to do this tbh. Still though I hope everybody here enjoys the DLC.
Also it's good to be back, I missed coming on here I must admit.
@TheRedComet most of your points are valid, but regarding your point #3, super sampling is actually the opposite of what you describe.
Super sampling is rendering at an internal resolution significantly higher than the output resolution, creating a very smooth and rock solid image.
For example I have a Series X plugged into a 1080p plasma, and any 4k game on the Series X like Forza Horizon 4/5 is effectively super sampled, rendering internally at 4k, then downsampling to 1080p. The image quality is surprisingly excellent, you can clearly tell it's resolving more detail than internal 1080p even though the output resolution is the same.
Anyway, though I love my Series X tbh I do kind of wish they had used an Nvidia GPU rather than AMD, to be even more future proof. DLSS is incredible, a game changer for this 4k era, and pretty much blows FSR out of the water, sometimes actually looking better than native. Which is not surprising as it's hardware accelerated, FSR is almost akin to doing ray tracing on a GPU with no RT cores.
I do hope FSR improves though, because as you said as graphical techniques and demands evolve these consoles will have to rely on rendering internally at 1440p or lower, and scaling to 4k.
Microsoft Flight Simulator shows that even some solid scaling looks good enough, when going from 1440p to 4k, but AI upscaling would obviously be ideal and open the doors to render lower than 1440p and still look very detailed and solid.
On topic - I really hope Mario Kart 9 comes sooner rather than later, whatever hardware it's on. I mean, this DLC is better than nothing obviously, but it would have been nice to have some actual new tracks, even if just 4 or so.
And for anyone hoping for a 4k Switch, I hope you're patient, as you'll be waiting a very very long time for a 4k handheld
Even the Series X can only just render modern games at 4k60, often relying on dynamic resolution to maintain framerate, and in the case of something very demanding like Flight Sim, is only running at 1440p30. And this is a machine that's 30 times more powerful than the Switch
The best idea for a Switch 2 would be for Nintendo to carry on with Nvidia for the GPU, and have a custom made RTX GPU with lots of tensor cores for very fast AI upscaling, and aim to render everything internally at 1080p with flawless upscaling to 4k.
New switch 2024 with MK9 launch title
@nessisonett but realistically almost everything on ps5 is going on the ps4 so as well as with Xbox and the one and series x. Seriously games are not needing more realistic graphics and people are actually proving that with the switch. There are ps5 and series x and a system to be had but in all honesty not very many exclusive games to make it worth the money. Gamers are not wanting to spend 500+ to be able to play only a couple games.
@mariomaster96 If they make a Model capable of playing games at 1080P in handheld then I'll happily take that. Anyone hoping for or wanting a 4K Switch is dreaming.
While the 48 tracks addition as paid DLC was nice, but I think Nintendo still haven't explored the new features that haven't been implemented on Mario Kart games yet such as three different vehicles type (Land, Water and Air type vehicles) from Skylanders Superchargers + transformable vehicles from Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed + Track editor and detailed character customization from Modnation Racers.
@Raffles I believe the next switch will have 4K capabilities but it will be in the dock not handheld and possibly 2 variations with one 4K and one not. Mario Kart 9 will also be released on the new system not the current one and adding these tracks are a give me basically because I see them having the next Mario Kart being like Smash and having every driver ever and ever course so basically their getting a head start.
As for 4K gaming it isn’t needed really. 4K TVs are not as common as people want to believe or monitors for pc gaming even and it is really probably utilized mostly for 4K videos and movies (looking at the series x). Gaming isn’t about the greatest graphics and companies are starting to realize that especially with all the indie companies out there now and the cost to even make those games. Sometimes it’s easier, faster and cheaper to downscale the project and in the end it sells better. Everything on the switch os a great example of that.
Yes you are correct about that. Had a brain fart.
I’m fine that they went with AMD. Both Sony and Microsoft got burned by nVidia in the past (OG Xbox and PS3) and they aren’t nearly as price competitive for components as AMD tends to be.
Although I fully understand why Nintendo went with nVidia. AMD had nothing on the level of Tegra on their mobile APUs at that time and still don’t. nVidia and Apple rule the mobile APU roost if we are solely talking about feature sets applicable to gaming.
I’m thinking Nintendo will ask for an offshoot of the RTX 3000 series for the Switch successors GPU portion of the APU. nVidia already has it in development and considering their close partnership, they would gladly tailor it to Nintendo’s needs.
Regardless of how old Mario Kart. The Switch is starting to show it limits of graphics and that can't be understated anymore. The sooner they get a update system with beefer GPU/CPU that better off they are with new games coming out. New games aren't going to downgrade they are going to push the system more and that will show regardless of what people think it should wait. Developers aren't waiting-they have timetable and R&D to meet to keep themselves afloat the improving the games.
@Grumblevolcano Preferably battle courses. 8 battle courses is looking anemic towards the staggering 96 race courses.
The majority of TVs available to buy are 4K screens. They became extremely common since prices hit 300-500 bucks for 50 inch screens. That’s the sweet spot for market mass adoption.
You’re only option for sub-4K now in the United States (can’t speak for Europe) are 35 inches or below in size. I keep a 32 inch 1080p screen in my bedroom.
Easy profits will trump new content 9 times out of 10.
It’s not just about graphics. It’s about performance.
That’s why more power is always needed. Games get more complex, you need better hardware. It’s always been that way.
The Switch is fine for what it’s expected to do. The traditional hardware market is an entirely different can of worms. The hardware makers have to balance cost vs performance. But the Switch is aging rapidly and needs more power and more RAM. Even games built from the ground up for its hardware now (like Shin Megami Tensei V) are showing its limitations.
@Dirty0814 I suppose that would be possible yeah, given that external GPUs are possible with PCs. Not sure how feasible it would be though, would be very expensive having 2 GPUs and the one in the dock would have to be vastly superior to the handheld one, which would make scaling tricky, as games would have to be gimped by the capabilities of the mobile GPU.
Switch Pro with MK9 December 2024 anyone?
Or else Nintendo Holo in 2025 with Mario Kart Live Home Circuit Holo Deluxe. 🧐
@MostHandsieBoy The Series S is lesser since it can't run games at 4K (unlike the Series X) but beyond that it has the same CPU, and runs the same games (but all of them being download only)
It has less components, less ram, a smaller ssd. Which makes it easier to produce. So the chip shortages doesn't hit it very hard.
It's comparable to the One S or the Switch Lite. And both of those are / were also very popular.
@TheRedComet Don't get me wrong, I like AMD and completely understand why Microsoft they went with them, their chips are certainly cost effective, they have the APU factor in their favour, and good power efficiency. I just mean in an ideal world I wish the Series X had DLSS for extra future proofing
Regarding the Switch 2, I was thinking the same thing, a custom RTX 3000.
I recently got an RTX 3070 Laptop and this thing is an absolute beast. The thing is though, it uses 140 watts for max performance. That's a huge power requirement compared to the Switch, and for a handheld obviously. It would need to be a heavily scaled down version of an RTX 3000, with much lower TDP.
Could work out really well though with DLSS. Could even render at 540p internally for handheld mode, AI scaled to a 1080p screen, then 1080p docked AI scaled to 4k. Which is of course DLSS performance mode.
Both options would look good, be a massive upgrade to the Switch, and would be possible with a very power optimised RTX 3000.
Nintendo: "Switch is at the half-way point if it's lifecycle."
Gamers: "Why no Switch 2 in 2022?"
Forever Entertainment did a deal with Squareenix to publish some games. On the recent Direct, they were responsible for Front Mission 1 (and presumably 2, later.)
Worth mentioning they later struck a similar deal with Nintendo. Wonder what they will be bringing? Early Fire Emblem game? Mother 3?
The big problem for me is the price of this. Free as long as you keep a online membership, if you let that lag, bye bye DLC. To buy it forever $150 (usd).
@Raffles it won’t necessarily be full 4K but the x one upscaled to 4K/ 2k realistically. I think this is basically what the switch will do and I don’t expect the new system before 2025 if that myself so by then gpu hardware that’s capable of doing that will be pretty cheap even if prices don’t go back down and even a slight upgraded gpu for handheld is possible as well to average out to the price point they would want which would be 4-500 for a 4K model I would assume.
I’m reality even the ps5 and Xbox series struggle to play full 4K compatible games also so ips along is a very good chance of happening on the switch for a slight increase in price.
@Bearzilla823 its only $60 plus the DLC which is $25. Or you can choose to get the NSO + DLC for $50 a year but you get added things
@Bearzilla823 here in the U.S. at least MK8 can be bought at $50, it's on sale right now at most big retailers. All of the announced DLC is $25. $75 for the complete package. I'm buying it.
Bring on the ports and the dlc, the switch is a great console that deserves a long lifespan.
The pandemic and the chip shortage have proved to be huge boons for Nintendo. They’ve been exploiting misery for straight profit and it’s working lol. 2024 Is the earliest reveal of any new Switch models/successors. 2025 being the earliest release date. Switch will be the #1 selling home console of all time by then setting Nintendo up with an absolutely massive install base.
MK9 will obviously be a launch title for the new system , it’d be an absolute no brainer at this point. With momentum still strong from Switch and massive install base and better tech, Nintendo would have 3rd parties lining up to get in on all that potential. To think COD will actually be on Nintendo consoles again, the potential depth and variety of games on Nintendo consoles moving forward could be unmatched.
I believe you are spot on. I made this comment yesterday in the relevant article that Switch 2 is now likely an early 2024 proposition. Not only due to this MK DLC, Nintendo won't want to stomp on potential sales of the OLED model. I'll even add that MK9 could mostly be new tracks, and it will be boosted by most of the MK8 retro tracks, DLC and some MK8 tracks themselves.
Btw, the Pro is dead. It was never alive, and the only fantasy remaining for it is by media burnt by pushing the baseless rumours for so long. Nintendo only do iterations or next-gen replacements, not beefed up premium models sold at premium prices alongside a base model. Let it go. It's not happening. So start saying Switch 2 or Switch successor if you want to avoid a permanent psychosis.
For me, this makes it more likely that there will be a more powerful revision by end of 2023 that is fully backwards compatible, but definitely not a full "hard" generation cutoff with entirely new everything. But who knows really, maybe Nintendo really is planning to move on to a completely new Switch 2 in 2024.
I never really saw any need for MK9 in this generation.
The Wii U is close enough to the Switch regarding power and performance, and MK8 is almost the perfect Mario Kart game. A MK9 on Switch hardware would probably be to similar and not feel like a real generation jump ahead for the series.
Also, because MK8 is still hugely popular and sells really well, it just doesn't make sense for Nintendo to release MK9 yet.
By extending the life of MK8 with these DLC's, Nintendo has made the right decision, and is waiting with MK9 for a new stronger console, were they really can make the next generation of Mario Kart, and make it standout in comparison to MK8.
Spring 2024 sounds like a good time for nintendo to launch their next console. I’m in no rush.
@TheRedComet the market will not change. Games will be getting made for the ps4 and Xbox one for years I’ll guarantee it. Performance has been proven to able to be had on lower end systems. Most pc games even run easily with older gpus. A new switch with the specs of a x one is very possible so Upscaling to 4K is possible also and would put the newer switch right on par with where it was at when the original came out or possibly even better halfway through the other consoles life spans.
I also wouldn’t expect any pro systems from
PS or Xbox either as charging more than the 500 they already are charging would not go over well.
A 400 to 500 switch that rendered 4k would be plenty powerful enough considering prices of gpus will be less by then.
I'm in no rush for Switch 2. The Switch is absolutely killing it this generation and I'm having a blast. I'm not ready to move on from the best Nintendo system ever made.
@Noel360 if you "buy" the NSOEP version you DO NOT get all of the DLC it is just like the ACNH DLC that you get with it. Once you no longer have the NSOEP you loss some of the DLC.
@Jimmy_G_Buckets It would be fantastic if all of you who are jumping on me about what i am seeing in the were indeed correct, but the way I saw it in the trailer and the way they advertise it on the E-shop is that is $24.99 for the FIRST set. It says that there will be a total of 48 courses. Not that all of them are for $24.99!!! As I stated if I am wrong then I am wrong and i have no issue with that. I am going by what I saw.
And for all of you who think that you are correct about the price being $24.99 for ALL 48 of the tracks. What you are really missing is NINTENDO is giving us a big F.U. on our desire for a new Mario Kart. So DLC price aside we are still stuck with Mario Kart 8 "Deluxe" with "revamped" courses we have already played. In fact some of them are coming from Mario Kart Tour.
This exactly! I get it, hear a lie enough and it’ll become the truth. MJ even used it as a lyric in Billie Jean ! Shout out @AmplifyMJ lol. Nintendo came out publicly and said there’s no Switch Pro and ppl still got mad at them when it proved true. They’ve been saying from the beginning they plan on extending the Switch’s generational cycle, 7-10yrs! Ppl need to forget the standard industry practices and timelines when it comes to Nintendo. They do their own thing. I don’t think ppl actually realize Nintendo stopped competing with Sony and MS some time ago.
@wHeReArEtHeChEeToS If there's one thing I learned today six times from this comment section, it's that it's $25 for the pass and the packs get rolled out periodically. Did you also learn this 6 times today?
@ChimpHunter Make that two people happy, and probably more. Switch and MK8 still sells like crazy, and 48 extra courses is a great way to boost the game. Early 2024 is 7 years of the Switch and the right time for a successor. I believe MK9 will primarily be new tracks, with the rest likely from the 48 DLC and some from MK8. It could even be called Mario Kart Ultimate.
@Rainz The thing is, standard industry practice is not to do mid cycle a Pro model. PS4 and XBO were the first, and that was driven by the sudden emergence of 4K and HDR early in the cycle. These premium priced models mostly appealed to enthusiasts anyway, with 80% of new sales still the base model. I'd be surprised if we ever saw this Pro concept again from anyone. The technology is quite stable now and 8k gaming a mirage for 99% of people and of marginal interest for the rest.
So glad the Switch will be hanging around for a long while!
Nintendo Switch Sales Hit Over 100 Million, Surpassing the Wii - This is for the people who keep bringing up PS5 and Xbox Series X being far superior systems. 100 MILLION units of sold as of a Feb. 03, 2022 press release. 100 Million!! PS5 has only SHIPPED 19 million since the Nov. 20, 2020 launch date. Xbox Series X expects to only ship 30 Million units by the end of 2023. Sometimes it not the power of the machine it is how well it is used. Point number 2 for these PS/Xbox fans - These systems are so scarce that you have to pay a scalper $600-$800 on average for one of these systems. Switch even at the highest price point is only $350 and it has a larger software library then either of the 2 competitors.
The Switch doesn't need a successor, Nintendo should just keep making Switch games indefinitely. The graphics aren't going to get any better at this point. And the lesson here is that if you live by port-begging, you die by port-begging. No Mario Kart 9.
can someone take that coconut mall music from the trailer and isolate it please im dying just to jam to it (by make it i mean figuratively. But hey if you saw someone who has done it, hit me up)
So wait. Does anyone know if you would be able to play the DLC online?
@asmi8803 we need more battle courses. I play battle mode 90% and race 10%.
Not to mention that Nintendo would never try and alienate its fan base with any kind of tech barrier…it’d be against their philosophy to not provide entertainment to all its players on a level playing field.
Anyone else not want a Switch 2, beside's me I actually want a Home Console next gen from nintendo. If they can't do that why not offer two versions where one would be more like a home console without a Screen and a easier way to put the gamecards in the console unlike the switch is now where you actually have to take the console out of the dock just to switch games.
48 new courses!!!!
Thats is basicly a new mario kart with DLC.
So why do we need a mario kart 9? Deluxe is IMO the best mario kart ever made, why build a new one wich does not look any better then this DLC.
Better wait for new hardware tbf, i think nintendo has the same oppinion.
And this does not make me less excited, i am a very happy fan
@Rainz well put! And the R&D budget keeps rising. A Switch successor that is backwards comparable would be absolutely awesome...and I love this long system cycle. 5yrs is to short.
@Joeynator3000 Kids today are so OCD about how a game looks and runs. Who cares if frame rate drops? I'm either easily impressed or old school. I thought Colecovision was amazing. I thought the Master System was mind blowing. I try to enjoy a game for what it is. Sure some games downright blow. I get it. But a small "not so perfect " part in a game is no big deal. I hope the Switch sticks around for another 5yrs
@ChimpHunter 100% with you! I likewise have the EP, so I'm getting this truckload of new content for free essentially. My biggest gripe with Deluxe was that it's focus was all on the Battle Mode, which admittedly did need to be fixed as it was a joke in the Wii U version, but I like to race! It took forever but here comes Nintendo with "Hows 48 more tracks sound to you?" LOL. I'm anxiously awaiting March 18th. MK 9 can wait until the Switch successor is here.
@octokid Yes, of course you can. Just as you could with the DLC for the Wii U version of 8. They mentioned this in the trailer, not sure how you missed that.
It does make a lot of sense. MK9 not before the next system’s launch was a given anyway. MK8 was going to keep selling well, too. But this is additional business with the 50m owners of the game, in particular those who stopped playing a while ago.
Gotta say I am very happy about this, the episodic rollout too. Nintendo news were a bit sparse lately, now we’re going to have something exciting every 4 months or so.
@GrailUK When I mention 'exaggeration' in terms of 'halfway through its lifespan' I meant I don't think it'll be a 10 year generation. Just me being a pedant!
As I said in the article though, I think Nintendo is setting itself up to release new-gen or more powerful hardware no earlier than Spring 2024, by then the Switch will have had a hearty
I wouldn’t say I’m OCD. Shin Megami Tensei V runs ROUGH on Switch. Sometimes it’s barely pushing 15 frames per second at times during intense cutscenes. I still love it, though.
That said, I would prefer if it ran somewhere near its target of 30 fps.
@TheRedComet wow, that's low. That would make it tough. I haven't played that game. I read good things about it. Is it like dragon quest xi s? That was amazing. Ys viii was also fantastic. Is it like that game? Is it turn based? Huge fan of turn based. I love the old school kemco switch games believe it or not.
I dont see why they need to make a new console tbh. I love this one, and it sounds like all the pressure is just a bunch of whiners being like "I WANT A NEW TOY"
It’s a turn based RPG game with a creature capture mechanic. You have to negotiate with demons to get them to join your party. You also have to fuse demons together to create more powerful demons.
It’s a lot like Pokémon in some ways, but much MUCH more difficult (the game is one the hardest JRPGS I’ve played in years). Demons and your player character have elemental weaknesses. The key part of battle is to hit opposing enemies with their weaknesses or critical hits. It uses the Press Turn battle system. So if you hit them with a weakness you get an extra turn.
But the enemies can also do the same thing to your party. So managing your demons weaknesses is extremely important because even a regular encounter can wipe out your party if you aren’t careful. Your main character (the Nohobino) cannot fall. If he dies it’s a game over. The good thing is that the Nohobino is highly customizable. You can fuse Demon elements with him to change his strengths and weaknesses and give him new moves. He’s the most important member of the party. The demons are your support.
From a technical standpoint, I consider it to be among the most beautiful games on Switch. It’s a gorgeous game with a striking art style running on Unreal Engine 4. It took them almost six years to make the game; it started development when Atlus received their first Nintendo Switch development kit before the system was even announced.
However the consequence of Atlus aiming for such high visual complexity is that the game’s framerate is highly unstable. When just walking around the world it’s hovering between 25 and 27 FPS. It rarely ever hits its target of 30. Battles have all sorts of frame drops below that when your characters are using flashy attacks. But it’s the cutscenes where the framerate can really chug. In cutscenes the game uses higher quality assets and these cutscenes can be very action packed with particle effects flying everywhere. The Switch struggles to cope with it, so you can see framerate on cutscenes anywhere between 15 on the low end to about 20-22 on the high end.
The hardware is aging. Even some Nintendo 1st party games are struggling on the hardware. We are at the point in the Switch’s life span where the hardware has essentially been maxed out with what it can reasonably do.
Even with that said, I don’t think a new system is needed right this second. But 2024 is when Nintendo should bring out a new Switch with greatly improved hardware and capabilities. It would allow developers to get more ambitious with their titles and also ensure that games designed for the PS5 and Xbox Series could receive reasonable downgraded ports to the system.
With Microsoft recently stating that they want to start bringing more games to the Switch, I think that will start happening once the Switch 2 is released. It would be cool to see Switch 2 get some Microsoft 1st party games and even Call of Duty back to the system.
Wow, game sounds insane! Thanks for that explanation. I love turn-based but that sounds tough to master.
@ThomasBW84 Fair enough, mate. That is a sensible time frame. And regardless of when new hardware arrives, the Switch won't die over night. You don't write off 150 million owners over night. PS2 got games well into PS3 life cycle. 10 years is doable if it hits 150 mil I would imagine.
@vio Ok thanks.
We don't need nor want a "next generation" system; in Fact, with the Chip Shortages and the Pandemic hanging on, it would be dumb of Nintendo to release a New Console/Handheld anytime soon. I Want Nintendo to Support The Switch for at least 6 more Years!
In regards to a particular consoles life span….It is all largely continent on sales performance. For N they have had to ‘end’ some of their cycles early because the machines were commercial failures (GC/WiiU) and in the case of the Wii it in the end was a fad and just ran its course. The Switch is lining up more like the successful consoles of the last few gens. X360 went 8yrs years and PS3 was 7 (before new hardware was released). PS4 and XB1 went 7yrs. In all successful examples not only did the systems have long runs but then had releases and support for years after the new gen released. People may have missed this but N said back during WiiU struggles that they wanted to have a multi-gen platform like ios/mobile so expect Super Switch Pro to be fully BC whenever the next gen comes N would be fools to walk away from the library we now have for Switch. The other factor is where is the SoC. N signed a 10yr deal with NVidia….PPL rag on age of X1 but Nvid has kept it around and just upped the clocks and bus speed. They still have not developed the true next gen to replace it (X2 is a niche soc they made for car navs). N needs a new SoC to really bring us the next gen Switch and we all know the current state of ‘chips’.
Most of the games that sell on the Switch are first party or studios with very close links to Nintendo like GameFreak, they will continue to work around the system, the third party stuff rarely sells decent numbers anyway.
The main demographic that is buying the Switch does nor care that much about graphics of frame rates, the system will keep selling as long as Nintendo and the indies keep pumping out games for it.
I think the Mario Kart DLC is a pretty big statement of intent from Nintendo, and I would not expect a Switch 2 reveal until 2024 at the earliest.
Surely we've known for about six months that the console is "mid-cycle" now... and that doesn't mean a "pro" model of the current console still isn't on the cards once chips are more readily available like the OLED was meant to be.
By the time this team finishes all of those tracks, imagine how much experience they’ll have to make the ultimate MK9. 🔮 Probably as a launch title for the SwitchU and with all previous tracks included. MK9 will also introduce Crash, Sonic, and Cloud in a Smash style roster of characters
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